When you compare weights of sleeping pads this one is the same if not lighter than most pads with it's R-value. It absolutely a great option for backpacking unless you're an "ultralighter"
I admit to trying to go as lightweight as possible myself, but, you are right, the thickness, comfort, pack-ability, and r-value are all great for the weight of this pad. There are definitely lighter options but they certainly are not as comfortable. I personally prefer to use this for car camping but one can reasonably use this for backpacking.
I am thinking about getting the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Topo Luxe Sleeping Pad for the Bicycle Touring Trip in the USA. And right now I'm using the Thermarest base camp sleeping pad
That will save ya some weight and I bet be just as comfortable. Unless you just have the regular, then might as well just keep that and you keep your 6 R rating and never have to worry about low temps! Them deserts get cold! Colder than you'd like with a 3.7 pad, let me tell ya! You might find yourself at high elevation too. You better think it though. I think you're wise with the 6 R rating bud. The reg base camp is 2.5 lbs. the reg neo is 1.7. I miserable cold night at 35F on a 3.7 pad and you'd wish you kept that .8 oz. Just one night and you'd be full of regret. With 6 R rating, you're so safe! That will take you down below zero and not just stay alive but still be comfortable. I wouldn't make that change if I were you. Id stick with what you have. I'd skimp on the sleeping bag first because you could always stop somewhere to grab another cheap bag for the night to toss over it. Hell, you could cover yourself with evergreen branches over your bag too, and or wrap up in a survival blanket inside your bag and stay warm enough. There's not much you can do at camp though to boost the r rating of the pad. You could boost your R value of your pad if you get lucky and find somewhere selling a faom pad with another 2 R value but then what? Your stuck with the other pound and your not going to keep it in case of another emergency? Sure you would. After a night a misery, you sure as hell would lol. So you'd end up just 2 oz heavier than keeping your pad is what would happen, I'm sure of it.
Excellent review!! Thanks so much man. I'm in the exact same boat...was finally going to get the Thermarest MONDO 3D pad... and JUUUSST wanted to check this pad out...since...MAYBE I'll be able to kill 2 birdds with one stone. I"m just a bit worried it will get punctured or...leak or whatever. I've gone from 90% towards the Mondo...to...mmmmaybe 75% towards this NeoAir Topo pad...Great review! Thanks man!!
It's held up fine since I got it in September 2020 although I haven't used it much in the past few months. The MondoKing is probably going to be more comfortable with the addition of foam and a softer fabric but the Topo Luxe is definitely more packable. All of these air pads are vulnerable to puncture so I am just careful with all of them.
I have the xl modo king and been across country with it a few times and several road and camping trips. As in I've used it hundreds of times now, literally. It's got "battle scares" patches all over and I don't care! I guess they are making them in china now and they are ripping apart at the seams!!!! I have no doubt this co wont be standing for that for too long and make sure they get better made again like the old versions like I have. I sleep in the snow all the time with it. Down to 10 below is the lowest I've gone but I know it will take 30, probably even up to 50 below and laugh at the cold. I literally trust my life with it. The problem? It's 5.5 lbs and I want to backpack more. It's killing me to back pack with this thing unless I can pull it with gear on a sled on a wide trail or across a lake to camp. I'm thinking about picking this up along with a closed cell pad to boost it's R value for 0 degree temps. If it's 3.7 and I can find a 2 rated pad to put under it for another pound, then it's 5.7 and good for 10 below probably and still a couple pound off from the mondoking. Then for all other 3 seasons I wont need to foam pad at all and just use this as is for comfort backpacking. This is what I'm leaning towards. If your car camping and need to sleep with high R value, then wait for thermorest to fix the quality issue OR find a used original one on ebay! That would work! Don't worry about battle scares. Just patch it when it leaks. I use the stuff at wal mart to patch it. The gorrila clear stuff thart you mix, I think in the auto section? And then I cover that stuff up over the hole with one of their patches in the tent section. Years of heavy use (up to 100 times or more a year! lol) I've yet to have the same spot leak! This way I don't worry about it. I just toss it down and camp! I probably only have like 6 pin holes in 5 or 6 years of hundreds of uses though. All of them only resulted in slow leaks over night and had to be found using water and a couple were so tiny, the only way I could find them was going over the whole thing with my wetted lips slowly so I could faintly feel the cool air coming out! Those couple nearly tricked me but I found 'em! :) Awesome, pad! The OG that is. I'd never buy a current one. If you wont be camping below about 40 degrees just go with this pad. 3.7 should be good down to about 45F and be real comfortable still. The mondoking though you just literally toss it on a snow bank in Alaska and sleep on it with a sleeping bag and you'd stay warm. Not even kidding. In all in what you need. I'm betting they are both the same for comfort for the other 3 seasons, anything above 45F. I'd bet money on it.
@@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism Great info!!! So..I bought, I guess the "new" one..Mondo King...I freaking love it but only used it a couple times. IT's the bomb. I'll get some of the gorrila and walmart stuff you mentioned for sure. I. thnink Ill have 2..this one and then a lighter more packable one. I'm very active in extreme sports and doing lto's of crazy stuff..espeically for my age, but, comfort and good sleep and rest is the ulmost importance now and....I love this Mondo King. So, I'll have 2. I"m glad the technology in these things is improviviing overall in general I think.
This is a really great review, super detailed too. Just one question: How durable is it? Obviously 50D fabric should be fairly tough but I was wondering if you have had any issues with this mattress concerning leaks. I’m so close to pulling the trigger and buying this thing because I’ve been using a super thin yoga mat for years 😂 Cheers, James
I have owned this since September 2020 and it has held up so far. No leaks or anything. I use it for car camping, so not in the roughest environments. I can't say how it will hold up over the long term because I haven't owned it long enough. You'll need to be careful with it like any other inflatable pad.
I have looked at this pad. I would consider it, but I really dislike the thermarest valve system. I have a pillow with the thermarest style wing-lock valve and it's really inconvenient. Have you looked at the inflatable Exped megamat lite air pad? I have one and I love it. The Exped has dual inflate and deflate valve, it's 4.7 inches thick, I think an r-value of 5.2, and available in many sizes.
This particular pad has two valves, the Twin Lock system. It's not the Winglock. And no, I haven't tried the Exped Megamat Lite. It seems too big and heavy to be practical for backpacking.
Sleeping pads are a very subjective judgment, so it's hard to make a recommendation for someone else. Do you need lightweight for backpacking or just for car camping? Based on my experience, something with at least 3 inches of thickness and horizontal baffles have worked for me as a side sleeper.
No offense some probably taken. I can't listen to this it's just way to annoying sounding. Almost whining and sounds negative and judgmental after 2 minutes into the video. Like I said no offense but maybe try to sound less condescending and such
@@thedanwatts9571 wow I just reread what I said! I'm sorry. Honestly. I was dealing with some pretty major family stuff the last 2 days. I feel bad for saying that. Even though you said you didn't care, I still owe it to you. I watched the whole thing this time and it's not bad at all. Do you do a lot of backpacking and car camping in rainy locations? I'm wondering if it would be good for my area. Average temp is around 38 and it rains 150"+ a year.
@@DestinyA83 no worries, everybody has bad days. Sounds like it would be fine for the temps you experience, i have used this pad into the 30s and been warm enough. Not a deep winter pad, though.
The battery pump is actually kinda slow but it's a hell of a lot easier than trying to do it with the pump bag or (god forbid) by mouth. It also weighs about the same as the included pump bag.
Thanks for the review. Love your earnestness.
When you compare weights of sleeping pads this one is the same if not lighter than most pads with it's R-value. It absolutely a great option for backpacking unless you're an "ultralighter"
I admit to trying to go as lightweight as possible myself, but, you are right, the thickness, comfort, pack-ability, and r-value are all great for the weight of this pad. There are definitely lighter options but they certainly are not as comfortable. I personally prefer to use this for car camping but one can reasonably use this for backpacking.
Potato chip bag feel...love it!!
I am thinking about getting the Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Topo Luxe Sleeping Pad for the Bicycle Touring Trip in the USA. And right now I'm using the Thermarest base camp sleeping pad
That will save ya some weight and I bet be just as comfortable. Unless you just have the regular, then might as well just keep that and you keep your 6 R rating and never have to worry about low temps! Them deserts get cold! Colder than you'd like with a 3.7 pad, let me tell ya! You might find yourself at high elevation too. You better think it though. I think you're wise with the 6 R rating bud. The reg base camp is 2.5 lbs. the reg neo is 1.7. I miserable cold night at 35F on a 3.7 pad and you'd wish you kept that .8 oz. Just one night and you'd be full of regret.
With 6 R rating, you're so safe! That will take you down below zero and not just stay alive but still be comfortable. I wouldn't make that change if I were you. Id stick with what you have. I'd skimp on the sleeping bag first because you could always stop somewhere to grab another cheap bag for the night to toss over it. Hell, you could cover yourself with evergreen branches over your bag too, and or wrap up in a survival blanket inside your bag and stay warm enough.
There's not much you can do at camp though to boost the r rating of the pad.
You could boost your R value of your pad if you get lucky and find somewhere selling a faom pad with another 2 R value but then what? Your stuck with the other pound and your not going to keep it in case of another emergency? Sure you would. After a night a misery, you sure as hell would lol. So you'd end up just 2 oz heavier than keeping your pad is what would happen, I'm sure of it.
Thanks for the review :-)
Excellent review!! Thanks so much man. I'm in the exact same boat...was finally going to get the Thermarest MONDO 3D pad... and JUUUSST wanted to check this pad out...since...MAYBE I'll be able to kill 2 birdds with one stone. I"m just a bit worried it will get punctured or...leak or whatever. I've gone from 90% towards the Mondo...to...mmmmaybe 75% towards this NeoAir Topo pad...Great review! Thanks man!!
How has it held up so far for you???
It's held up fine since I got it in September 2020 although I haven't used it much in the past few months. The MondoKing is probably going to be more comfortable with the addition of foam and a softer fabric but the Topo Luxe is definitely more packable. All of these air pads are vulnerable to puncture so I am just careful with all of them.
I have the xl modo king and been across country with it a few times and several road and camping trips. As in I've used it hundreds of times now, literally. It's got "battle scares" patches all over and I don't care! I guess they are making them in china now and they are ripping apart at the seams!!!! I have no doubt this co wont be standing for that for too long and make sure they get better made again like the old versions like I have. I sleep in the snow all the time with it. Down to 10 below is the lowest I've gone but I know it will take 30, probably even up to 50 below and laugh at the cold. I literally trust my life with it.
The problem? It's 5.5 lbs and I want to backpack more. It's killing me to back pack with this thing unless I can pull it with gear on a sled on a wide trail or across a lake to camp. I'm thinking about picking this up along with a closed cell pad to boost it's R value for 0 degree temps. If it's 3.7 and I can find a 2 rated pad to put under it for another pound, then it's 5.7 and good for 10 below probably and still a couple pound off from the mondoking. Then for all other 3 seasons I wont need to foam pad at all and just use this as is for comfort backpacking. This is what I'm leaning towards.
If your car camping and need to sleep with high R value, then wait for thermorest to fix the quality issue OR find a used original one on ebay! That would work! Don't worry about battle scares. Just patch it when it leaks.
I use the stuff at wal mart to patch it. The gorrila clear stuff thart you mix, I think in the auto section? And then I cover that stuff up over the hole with one of their patches in the tent section. Years of heavy use (up to 100 times or more a year! lol) I've yet to have the same spot leak! This way I don't worry about it. I just toss it down and camp! I probably only have like 6 pin holes in 5 or 6 years of hundreds of uses though. All of them only resulted in slow leaks over night and had to be found using water and a couple were so tiny, the only way I could find them was going over the whole thing with my wetted lips slowly so I could faintly feel the cool air coming out! Those couple nearly tricked me but I found 'em! :)
Awesome, pad! The OG that is. I'd never buy a current one. If you wont be camping below about 40 degrees just go with this pad. 3.7 should be good down to about 45F and be real comfortable still. The mondoking though you just literally toss it on a snow bank in Alaska and sleep on it with a sleeping bag and you'd stay warm. Not even kidding. In all in what you need. I'm betting they are both the same for comfort for the other 3 seasons, anything above 45F. I'd bet money on it.
@@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism Great info!!! So..I bought, I guess the "new" one..Mondo King...I freaking love it but only used it a couple times. IT's the bomb. I'll get some of the gorrila and walmart stuff you mentioned for sure. I. thnink Ill have 2..this one and then a lighter more packable one. I'm very active in extreme sports and doing lto's of crazy stuff..espeically for my age, but, comfort and good sleep and rest is the ulmost importance now and....I love this Mondo King. So, I'll have 2. I"m glad the technology in these things is improviviing overall in general I think.
This is a really great review, super detailed too.
Just one question: How durable is it?
Obviously 50D fabric should be fairly tough but I was wondering if you have had any issues with this mattress concerning leaks.
I’m so close to pulling the trigger and buying this thing because I’ve been using a super thin yoga mat for years 😂
Cheers,
James
I have owned this since September 2020 and it has held up so far. No leaks or anything. I use it for car camping, so not in the roughest environments. I can't say how it will hold up over the long term because I haven't owned it long enough. You'll need to be careful with it like any other inflatable pad.
@@thedanwatts9571 thank you once again 🙏
Thank you so much.
I have looked at this pad. I would consider it, but I really dislike the thermarest valve system. I have a pillow with the thermarest style wing-lock valve and it's really inconvenient. Have you looked at the inflatable Exped megamat lite air pad? I have one and I love it. The Exped has dual inflate and deflate valve, it's 4.7 inches thick, I think an r-value of 5.2, and available in many sizes.
Do they still make these? I've been looking all over in Europe, unavailable everywhere.
This particular pad has two valves, the Twin Lock system. It's not the Winglock. And no, I haven't tried the Exped Megamat Lite. It seems too big and heavy to be practical for backpacking.
@@cpt.kimintuitiondemon there doesn't seem to be a problem with availability in the USA. Obviously I can't speak for European availability.
Thanks for the review, I decided to buy this mat! What’s with the Dutch soccer flag in the background….😉
I really should get some kickbacks when people tell me they buy after this video. Time to add some money grab affiliate links.
I am shopping around for a sleeping mat, I am a side sleeper so something that won't press much into my shoulder and hip.
Any recommendations??
Sleeping pads are a very subjective judgment, so it's hard to make a recommendation for someone else. Do you need lightweight for backpacking or just for car camping? Based on my experience, something with at least 3 inches of thickness and horizontal baffles have worked for me as a side sleeper.
Nice video
What's the coldest you've used it in?
I think low 40s/upper 30s. Never taken it that low of a temp. I use a different pad for that.
Weight capacity ?
That's something you would have to ask Thermarest
No offense some probably taken.
I can't listen to this it's just way to annoying sounding. Almost whining and sounds negative and judgmental after 2 minutes into the video.
Like I said no offense but maybe try to sound less condescending and such
Thanks but no offense taken and I don't really care that much
@@thedanwatts9571 wow I just reread what I said! I'm sorry. Honestly. I was dealing with some pretty major family stuff the last 2 days. I feel bad for saying that. Even though you said you didn't care, I still owe it to you.
I watched the whole thing this time and it's not bad at all.
Do you do a lot of backpacking and car camping in rainy locations? I'm wondering if it would be good for my area. Average temp is around 38 and it rains 150"+ a year.
@@DestinyA83 no worries, everybody has bad days. Sounds like it would be fine for the temps you experience, i have used this pad into the 30s and been warm enough. Not a deep winter pad, though.
Dan thanks for wicked review, picking up this matt this week, will the battery pump work quicker getting this bad boy up?
The battery pump is actually kinda slow but it's a hell of a lot easier than trying to do it with the pump bag or (god forbid) by mouth. It also weighs about the same as the included pump bag.