You can also show the entire match between France and AB with Craig Joubert in the final world cup in 2011 everything he has done this day was controversial
ha ha,your a comedian Michael Lucas.Funny,I never heard any complaints when the AB's got stiffed in the 1995 RWC,or Cardiff QF in 2007.And then of course the chronic bleating after the Scotland/Aus game in 2015. As long as it is a SH team getting rogered - and invariably by a cheating northern grub - then you asswipes in the north are happy. ALL NH refs are cheats.And,no surprises,most refs at test level are from the north.
Just because it was 8-7 everyone says France should of won. There was nothing with that game also re watch the start when Sam got red carded for Wales in the semifinal against France. That's why they lost and France ended up playing New Zealand in the finals. So really should of been New Zealand vs Wales final in that world cup.
2:10 was completely justified and the right outcome. He was illegally holding onto a player and preventing them from rejoining the game. The player did not strike them aggressively, they only hit their hands to force them to let go. He knew he was holding him illegally and why he was being hit, so he could have let go at any time but he persisted. Then he stands up and without justification strikes the other player(that he had already fouled for the last 5-10 seconds) in the face.
It was a clear red at the time too. But most refs were afraid to face the backlash. I even remember the NZ commentator saying "who wants to be that guy?" about the ref. The common attitude was that because it was a world cup semi, it should have been let go for the good of the contest and to hell with player welfare.
Totally. Not one of the three Scotsmen involved ever propelled that ball forwards. But also understandable - except at this level. Ref should have given the benefit of the doubt (that he must have had otherwise he would be insane). We see more of that nowadays.
I agree. Referee's make mistakes and at this level it's not good. We have TMO'S for a reason. Now we have TMO's that communicate and tell them when the ref on the pitch is wrong. That's a good thing. Rugby is a great example that other sports should follow when it refers to video decisions. They rarely get it wrong. It's just a pity the decision in this one was wrong. It cost Scotland a deserved place in the final.
Roles aren't reversed though. The facts speak for themselves. I'm not saying that Scotland were going to win the world cup, just that they were denied the chance of doing so by a ludicrous decision. Next you'll be saying that Kepu shouldn't have been sent off against Scotland in the Autumn. (Btw I'm English so don't say I'm biased.)
Guys the referee was joubert... you don t have to way more.. look the way of refering the 2011 final. He just stole the world cup in the hand of the french now he do it again with scotland..
The Wayne Barnes' decisions-aside, you're right. BUT NOT ONE of the three videos on this theme features the most forgotten - yet the most (arguably) significant mistake of all-time: England 23-15 Italy (Huddersfield, RWC1998 qualifier), An Allessandro Troncon try when the score was 16-15 on (even less arguably) England's worst team performance ever, yet the try wasn't awarded (in the Pierre-Luigi Colina category) and Sir Clive Woodward's legacy was very, very...(what's the word..?)
@@TJ-kj9ki he was slapping his hands away. You are allowed to do that if the guy hanging off you is obstructing you from making more tackles. Playing the man without the ball is illegal.
Cameron Redfern, Yes, you are allowed to hit the hands away... although... he wasn’t hitting his hands. He was striking his head clearly. Blue guy returned the favour and got carded.
Amazing how, bc of law changes, that tackle by Warburton that was so contentious back then is now a clear red. Shocking decision back then under old laws but if that happened today he's rightfully gone. Everyone seems to forget the laws can change and assumes it was a clear cut call then too
The controversy was amplified by the fact that there had been two similar incidents in the competition up to that point, both had only received yellow cards, and this single decision handed the game to the French on a silver plate. Way, way, way too many poor refereeing decisions throughout the tournament, that led to the final game, where New Zealand as hosts played against statistically the worst team ever to make a final - and then only scraped home by one point helped along by further poor refereeing.
Lol. They're controversial because lots of people including professionals think they're controversial. Just because you agree with them doesn't make them not controversial. "Clickbait" xD
@@montygraham6264 Pretty sure you're wrong here. It's not because a guy make a video and name it "controversial" that any professionnal or most of them say they are. There is pretty much nothing to discuss about on most of those decisions
I'm really not a fan of Ashton, but Tualagi should have a life ban for his foul play, it's not like he doesn't have form for this kind of thing. Mind you I'm not surprised as it was Wayne Barnes as ref and you could fill a book with his errors.
Thing is with Barnes, and its hard to say as a Welshman, he's a better referee in all areas of the game because of his fuck ups. Think he's actually learnt from a lot of them
What are your reasons for the 2011 final being controversial? Where were the moments that the referee got it wrong that separates that game from most other games into the realms of controversial? Or are you just gutted the All Blacks won?
+GW H Lol. A video focusing on infringements by the All Blacks isn't a proof of anything. How about some less partisan analysis, by the now World Rugby High Performance Match Official Manager, Joël Jutge? www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/le-debrief-de-joel-jutge--vis-ma-vie-de-craig-joubert--.php
You missed the biggest of them all. Paddy O'Brien calling a ball spilled in a legitimate Fijian tackle a knock on, denying a try that could have well out France out of the 1991 World Cup 1/4 finals
Stander v South Africa, he was committed to blocking the kick ( which he failed) but he cannot change his momentum and direction in the air and it was his hip to the kickers face, nothing intentional
you mean the decision where Rougerie eye gouges McCaw and should've been red carded? Or are you purposely leaving that out? At least be fair mate don't just look at one side of the coin.
Read was several metres offside at the kick-off (can be seen in this video), which was the only was he managed to get to interfere with the catch which was knocked on. Really basic thing for the ref to have checked: correct decision was a scrum to the lions in the middle of the pitch which would have saved all the fuss
@@73North265 i would have penalty to lions because basically he barged into the back of the catcher, I slowed down the kickoff and I think he's just about timed it right so isn't as clear cut, his back foot is still on the halfway line as the ball is already off the boot and on its way.
Every ref screws up, it can't be avoided given the number of calls they have to make. I got no problem with the 2007 quarter final ABs v France, we weren't good enough to win on merit, one wrong call by the ref shouldn't be blamed for that.
Actually, I don't understand why McAlister yellow is controversial. He stops playing the ball and go to stop the opponent. It's a yellow card. And about the french try in RWC 2007, it may be a knock on but it should have been a yelllow card for McAlister (again) at the end when he goes for the head. Delon Armitage got a yellow for doing the same to Nadolo a few years ago.
Nothing "controversial" about - the Warburton tackle - the law at the time said that if the players hear, neck or shoulders hit the ground, it was an offence, and the direction to referees at the time (and still in place today) is that if a tackler drives or drops a player into this position, it's a straight red. The ref made the right call. - the Korean player's tackle - no arms in a grass cutter is highly dangerous, and referees have been instructed to penalise these types of tackles harshly. - the Irish player against South Africa - from the angle shown, contact was made with the upper chest/head area. - McAlister against the French - he moved his running line into the path of the French player coming through, impeding (it doesn't help that he dropped the shoulder). - the French shot at goal that fell over - if you choose a shot, you need to make a genuine shot at goal. 100% correct referee decision (if the French player had simply stopped his approach and reset the ball, then there would have been no problems). I.e. the French player just fucked up.
Absolutely nothing controversial about 1st clip. The ref had no other option but red card. The rules are clear. Brits and Irish just can't take their medicine.
Ashley Thomas nowadays yes clear red but back in 2011 you’d get a yellow at best for that sort of tackle. There were worse tackles in that tournament that weren’t punished as much. Also to say that it’s just the brits and Irish who complain about the ref is horseshit
There was more than just this one tackle. Looking back at the competition one would not be remiss in thinking that perhaps the All Blacks had had their path to the win paved by incompetent refereeing. Bryce Lawrence reffed the game between Ireland and Australia, harshly penalising Australia and allowing a famous Irish victory. In doing so, he ensured that Australia would come up against South Africa in the 1/4/ final, which he reffed. Following the Ireland Australia game, he wrote a letter of apology to Australia and then went on to completely destroy that 1/4 final with probably the most controversial refereeing display in the history of the game. That year, on his retirement (albeit slightly forced) NZRU awarded him with the Ref of the Year award - yet more controversy as it looks suspiciously like "thanks for the World Cup". There were other controversial issues at the tournament; France were fined something like $20 000 for crossing the half way line during the Haka, some poor Pacific Islander was fined a ton of cash for wearing the wrong brand of gum guard, yet England were caught using an illegal ball for Wilkinson's goal kicking and.... NOTHING!! Referees were appointed against RWC policy, where there country had a vested interest in the outcome of the game. Nigel Owens (Wales) reffing the (final) South Africa pool stage game against Samoa, the one where Frans Steyn got injured. A letter from Owens to the Bok camp after the match apologised for allowing the foul play against them to get out of hand and thanked them for not losing their cool and retaliating. The tackle shown here was the third spear tackle of the competition and the only one that resulted in a red card. This incident ended that game as a competition and resulted in a yawn fest, allowing France to get to the final, the first team to do so with two pool stage losses. tl:dr - everything about that World Cup led to the All Blacks losing all decent competition and paving their way to victory. The same was said in 2007 about the Springboks because the All Blacks were kicked out by the French forward pass, but the difference is that that was only one forward pass. 2011 was so much more than that.
It was the correct call, certainly. The controversy lies in that the guidance given to referees was not widely publicised, so tackles that were yellows before the tournament began suddenly became reds without most spectators understanding why. A controversial change in protocol rather than a controversial decision.
Karma, you are correct. The refs inconsistently applied the guidance that was given to them before the tournament, which made the decision in the SF stand out. All in all, the IRB made a pig's ear of the whole thing. They failed to properly publicise the guidance to the public, and they failed to get most of the refs to properly apply the guidance up until the semi-final. All in all, they messed up, and Allain Rolland got unfairly vilified by the press and the public. But then again, what else should we expect from the IRB/World Rugby? This is the organisation that experimented with the idea that players could use their hands in the ruck for years when everyone with a brain knew all you had to do was be strict on tacklers releasing and rolling away.
Diarmuid Buckley Ref decided that Wyclef Palu did not use his arms, therefore, shoulder charge. From what is see, it was nothing more than a great front on tackle and he got carded for it. Piss poor refereeing in my mind.
Pause at 4:59 and you can clearly see a shoulder to the head, he's basically standing upright, the arms do wrap but it's high and dangerous, yellow card
In the first clip the tackle is not high or dangerous but how the player lands is dangerous because he sort of landed on his neck with his full bodyweight on top he could've broken his neck
That Warburton tackle ?? The french guy landed on his back not his head or neck .. yes his legs went past the horizontal which is a yellow at most not red...
What is it with posters who think their otherwise worthy video is going to be augmented by some idiotic background music?? Especially when the events being shown already have a useful background commentary, which it would be useful to be able to hear clearly?
That is not true, the accidental offside is a rule that is only applied when a player cant help receiving the ball when he is caught out at an offside position, however he received the pass and could've avoided it, and he knew what he had done wrong a second too late. Beauden Barrett would have gotten a successful conversion from there. However seeing as the french don't like the all blacks they try to make things harder for them and call bullshit. I will say that the reffing for the second and third tests was piss poor, however I admit that the All blacks played bang average for their standards in the last two tests and that the Lions did play quite well but with shit discipline in the second test. Overall both of the refs in the last two tests were french and they both made controversial calls and for the most part they were against the All Blacks. But the Lions did play very well and quite frankly even as an All Black supporter, I believe that All Blacks didn't deserve to win after their sloppy performances.
I agree the All Blacks didn't deserve to win and a draw was fair, I just wish it could have been a draw without the controversy . (I would have taken a AB win though :) )
Wrong (I'm guessing you are referring to the AB v Lions one). Accidental offside should only be awarded if the player in an offside position makes no attempt to play at the ball. Catching the ball is playing at the ball. It's not often I will say it, but Keiran Reed seemed to be the only intelligent person in that conversation.
That clearly forward french pass... and still, it's nothing compared to 2011 final when Craig Joubert forgot how to use a wistle because he did not want to be responsible for an AB defeat in New Zealand
It's a clear cut red now but there was a similar tackle in the group stages that was given a yellow and Warburton made a similar tackle in the quarter finals that received no sanction, so at the time it was very controversial.
I know I'm biased, but Craig Joubert ruined Scotland's World Cup with that (in my opinion) incorrect offside penalty. Its a tough call, but I think he got that wrong.
Warburton's red is a red by the standards as we understand them now but it might be argued that it was this decision that highlighted awareness around the legality of tackles and so forth. Though the rule had been legislated pre-tournament, it was the first time that a referee had acted on it. The Australia 'penalty' v Scotland speaks for itself: Joubert hasn't had a test since.
The thing about the Scotland one was that 10 seconds earlier, Stuart Hogg was shoulder charged to the head off the pitch and Joubert didn’t notice. Disgraceful
Bullshit. Scotland got 9 points courtesy of Joubert fuck ups in scrums - 3 times the Scots illegally collapsed the scrum (including one time when Nel was being absolutely monstered, the breakaway collapsed it), yet each time, Joubert awarded penalties to Scotland for Australia collapsing. And that doesn't cover that most of the 50-50 calls went Scotland's way. But by all means, continue to focus on the one decision all day that didn't go the Scots way...
How is Sam Warburton's tackle controversial ? He lifts the player, lets go of him, lands on the head/shoulder area, automatic red card. The rule is the same for every game, it doesnt matter if its the final or a test match, rule's the same
Lots of people don't understand the definition of 'controversial', even if it was the right decision that doesn't mean it wasn't controversial. Take the Warburton call for example, I agree with it but based on the reaction of the commentators you can see that it is obviously controversial.
Plus a half-French referee shouldn’t have been allowed to referee such a high profile game involving France. And the 2011 world cup in general was horrific for refereeing.
If u put it in slow speed when the samoan full back got red card u can clearly see the springboks player made few punches(elbow) on the head before the # 15 drops him
Shingler on Shingler.....!!!Think that might of been revenge for Aaron stealing Stevens cookie when they were kids and not admitting it. Brotherly love....!!! Bet that was an interesting conversation when they got back home!!! (Also note how Steven ran away ASAP??!!!)
Accidental offside is when the ball hits your arms not when you catch it realise you made a mistake and then change your mind. Doesn't mean ABs should of won, it's up to them to score enough that it takes the ref mistakes out of the game, that's the lesson of RWC07
Agreed, As a Kiwi I thought the result was a fair result for the tour , but I was incredibly disappointed that it had to end in such away. Still smarting over 07 though :)
This is incorrect. Accidental offside is when the referee judges that the player could not have reasonably avoided being contacted by the ball. If the referee judges that a player could not have reasonably avoided being contacted by the ball, it does not matter whether he drops it or catches it and turns upfield. Even if Ken Owens doesn't catch it, the ball would still have struck his arms or torso. Consequently, it's correct to have ruled it an accidental offside.
I honestly thought that the 2007 campaign while extremely frustrating and disapointing was the catalyst that took the all blacks to the next level, the change in player mindset, the new culture that was enforced after 07 propelled Nz to the next two world cups and to the even more dominant position where they are now
Honestly the first clip of the dump tackle is justified. I don't care what people say, as a captain of one of the most respected rugby teams in the world you do not go out and try to kill a guy. You don't deserve to captain the rest of the game
Calculated high shot on Tuilagi to kick it off. I love seeing the Poms 'dealt with', some of the dirtiest players in World Rugby. Would place bets on their future incarceration for something violent.
But that wasn't even a penalty. The arms were ready to wrap (forward of the shoulders). The ball carrier was just hit so hard, the Australian player didn't have time to finish wrapping.
Scotland lost because of a poor decision made by the ref in which he admitted. Since then Scotland have bet Australia at both Home and Away, they almost bet the All Blacks (If it hadn't have been for a knock on at the end of the game), currently sitting 5th in the world rankings, 3rd in the 6Nations (we play Ireland tomorrow 10-3-18) and bet England in the Calcutta Cup for the 1st time in 10 years. I'm proud of our wee team.
Scotland were only in the game because of three poor decisions (Scotland collapsing three scrums, Australia penalised for collapsing those three scrums, Scotland kick 9 points).
Avec tous ces cartons (rouges jaunes blancs) ,parfois sortis pour des broutilles, le Rugby risque de ressembler bientôt au foot ....et c'est bien dommage !
Nothing controversial about Stander, it was late and very high (hips/butt hit Lambie on head).....that was the first of the concussions that caused his retirement from rugby at 28 years old and he is a great player
I wonder what the comments would be like if all the jerseys were the same colour and you couldn't make out their faces so therefore not knowing the identity of the player. Now , they would be more interesting and balanced comments in my opinion
I agree with the red card on no15 .He was intentionally hanging onto his opponent and would not let him go even though force was used to escape his grip .Then no15 blue used his own brand of violence to try prove his tight how stupid
I feel bad for bought as pat lambie had his career ended but you can see that there was no intention in it from stander so could you imagine what it must feel like knowing that you ende another mans career
@@stevenmcalister826 True. I stand corrected. However, if Poite felt no advantage had been gained, I feel that he should have let play continue. Anton Lienert-Brown was in a very good position to play on with pretty much no one left in front of him. Poite removed any advantage for the All Blacks.
Literally just read through the rules of rugby and there is an accidental offside which applies in the Lions clip. So that emotive music and disgruntled look of Reed's face can sod off.
Even if he doesn't catch it, the ball would still have contacted him. It's not a question of whether the player made an effort to play it, it's whether he could have avoided it. Romain Poite ruled that it would have contacted him regardless. It was the correct call.
Try reading it with your brain engaged. It can't be an accidental offside when the player deliberately grasps the ball. There is nothing "accidental" about that. That decision by a Froggie halfwit ranks as one of the most incompetent ever made on an international rugby field. It's an open and shut case. It could have been challenged in a court of law.
2:12 "you don't get many red cards in world cups"
2019 RWC: "hold my beer"
Don't know why it was controversial. Pretty blatant
Vid has confusing editing and no need for "emotional" music.
chris hughes I guess you’re the professional here heh, with 50k subs?
I like the music!
You can also show the entire match between France and AB with Craig Joubert in the final world cup in 2011 everything he has done this day was controversial
Michel Lucas Add Springboks vs Australia in the world cup with Bruce Lawrence officiating. Absolute disgrace!
Joubert is an imposter
ha ha,your a comedian Michael Lucas.Funny,I never heard any complaints when the AB's got stiffed in the 1995 RWC,or Cardiff QF in 2007.And then of course the chronic bleating after the Scotland/Aus game in 2015.
As long as it is a SH team getting rogered - and invariably by a cheating northern grub - then you asswipes in the north are happy. ALL NH refs are cheats.And,no surprises,most refs at test level are from the north.
Just because it was 8-7 everyone says France should of won. There was nothing with that game also re watch the start when Sam got red carded for Wales in the semifinal against France. That's why they lost and France ended up playing New Zealand in the finals. So really should of been New Zealand vs Wales final in that world cup.
HE IS CONTROVERSIAL, i dont like him
2:10 was completely justified and the right outcome. He was illegally holding onto a player and preventing them from rejoining the game. The player did not strike them aggressively, they only hit their hands to force them to let go. He knew he was holding him illegally and why he was being hit, so he could have let go at any time but he persisted. Then he stands up and without justification strikes the other player(that he had already fouled for the last 5-10 seconds) in the face.
Not gonna mention how when the 15 shoved him, the other player went down like he’d been shot?
Nothing controversial about Warburton, it was a spear tackle, if it had have been a group match people would have been fine with it
pascal jacob yeah but it was the red where as the rule book at the time stated it should have been yellow
maxsam wrong
Nowadays it’s a clear red however at the time there were several tackles as bad in the tournament which were yellows at best
It was a clear red at the time too. But most refs were afraid to face the backlash. I even remember the NZ commentator saying "who wants to be that guy?" about the ref. The common attitude was that because it was a world cup semi, it should have been let go for the good of the contest and to hell with player welfare.
It was an Irish ref with French dad also should never of been the ref
And the one against Scotland was shocking. What were the touch judges doing? Especially the one less than 10 metre's away from it?
Totally. Not one of the three Scotsmen involved ever propelled that ball forwards. But also understandable - except at this level. Ref should have given the benefit of the doubt (that he must have had otherwise he would be insane). We see more of that nowadays.
I agree. Referee's make mistakes and at this level it's not good. We have TMO'S for a reason. Now we have TMO's that communicate and tell them when the ref on the pitch is wrong. That's a good thing. Rugby is a great example that other sports should follow when it refers to video decisions. They rarely get it wrong. It's just a pity the decision in this one was wrong. It cost Scotland a deserved place in the final.
Ian Grubb I wonder if the roles were reversed would Scot fans complain then??
Roles aren't reversed though. The facts speak for themselves. I'm not saying that Scotland were going to win the world cup, just that they were denied the chance of doing so by a ludicrous decision. Next you'll be saying that Kepu shouldn't have been sent off against Scotland in the Autumn. (Btw I'm English so don't say I'm biased.)
Guys the referee was joubert... you don t have to way more.. look the way of refering the 2011 final. He just stole the world cup in the hand of the french now he do it again with scotland..
Warburton is great. But he drops him on the head. Red card, semi-final of the WC or not.
referee was fucking FRENCH
your father is fucking French.
non, c'est ton pere qui est Francais.
I never knew the back and head were the same thing wow
just because your anatomy is unfortunate doesn't mean we should empathize with your poor judgement
There’s not much controversy, in a lot of these.
The Wayne Barnes' decisions-aside,
you're right.
BUT NOT ONE of the three videos on this theme
features the most forgotten -
yet the most (arguably) significant mistake of all-time:
England 23-15 Italy (Huddersfield, RWC1998 qualifier),
An Allessandro Troncon try
when the score was 16-15
on (even less arguably) England's worst team performance ever,
yet the try wasn't awarded
(in the Pierre-Luigi Colina category)
and Sir Clive Woodward's legacy was very, very...(what's the word..?)
2:08 How tf is that controversial?
Ikr he punched him in the face
Well the guy he hit was hitting him multiple times without punishment. Should have been yellow though as it wasn't a closed fist from what I believe.
i will fuck you up too if you grab my tools like that
@@TJ-kj9ki he was slapping his hands away. You are allowed to do that if the guy hanging off you is obstructing you from making more tackles. Playing the man without the ball is illegal.
Cameron Redfern, Yes, you are allowed to hit the hands away... although... he wasn’t hitting his hands. He was striking his head clearly. Blue guy returned the favour and got carded.
Amazing how, bc of law changes, that tackle by Warburton that was so contentious back then is now a clear red. Shocking decision back then under old laws but if that happened today he's rightfully gone. Everyone seems to forget the laws can change and assumes it was a clear cut call then too
The controversy was amplified by the fact that there had been two similar incidents in the competition up to that point, both had only received yellow cards, and this single decision handed the game to the French on a silver plate. Way, way, way too many poor refereeing decisions throughout the tournament, that led to the final game, where New Zealand as hosts played against statistically the worst team ever to make a final - and then only scraped home by one point helped along by further poor refereeing.
Absolutely spot on. Even by today’s standards it’s an unfortunate red. Technically a red but still doesn’t seem right
click bait title
half are absolutely uncontroversial
Lol. They're controversial because lots of people including professionals think they're controversial. Just because you agree with them doesn't make them not controversial. "Clickbait" xD
Like what?
@@montygraham6264 Pretty sure you're wrong here. It's not because a guy make a video and name it "controversial" that any professionnal or most of them say they are. There is pretty much nothing to discuss about on most of those decisions
There's nothing controversial about the McAlister one either. He changes his line and then shoulder charges a guy without the ball on his own line.
God he can act, all I saw was the turn around and accelerate.
It's typical french melo-drama McAlister simply turns around to chase the ball
CharethCutestory fifty fifty that one, but he knew what he was doing ;)
The commentators then sucking nzl dick as always
CharethCutestory that is one of the few in this vid that I believe is wrong/controversial
du plessis's tackle on carter was perfect. no need for yellow card🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Did you not know no one is allowed to tackle Carter!
The hit was fine but I think he was offside under the lazy runner rule - definitely not a card.
angst no offside. it was a 22 drop out
@@GrumpyAustralian ol Andrew hore classic!!
@@nunomartins2724 no it wasn’t the ball was passed back from a ruck and he was offside
I'm really not a fan of Ashton, but Tualagi should have a life ban for his foul play, it's not like he doesn't have form for this kind of thing. Mind you I'm not surprised as it was Wayne Barnes as ref and you could fill a book with his errors.
Thing is with Barnes, and its hard to say as a Welshman, he's a better referee in all areas of the game because of his fuck ups. Think he's actually learnt from a lot of them
2011 World cup final was the most controversial match in rugby history. France were robbed...
Marcus Adamiak hahahah don't cry back to back world champs 🤙🖕🏽
Marcus Adamiak
Hahahahaha .... like we was in 2007 .... what goes round comes around 🖕🏼🖕🏼
What are your reasons for the 2011 final being controversial? Where were the moments that the referee got it wrong that separates that game from most other games into the realms of controversial? Or are you just gutted the All Blacks won?
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+GW H
Lol. A video focusing on infringements by the All Blacks isn't a proof of anything. How about some less partisan analysis, by the now World Rugby High Performance Match Official Manager, Joël Jutge?
www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/le-debrief-de-joel-jutge--vis-ma-vie-de-craig-joubert--.php
You missed the biggest of them all. Paddy O'Brien calling a ball spilled in a legitimate Fijian tackle a knock on, denying a try that could have well out France out of the 1991 World Cup 1/4 finals
Stander v South Africa, he was committed to blocking the kick ( which he failed) but he cannot change his momentum and direction in the air and it was his hip to the kickers face, nothing intentional
Why don't you show the RWC 2011 final with Craig Joubert's decision against France?
you mean the decision where Rougerie eye gouges McCaw and should've been red carded? Or are you purposely leaving that out? At least be fair mate don't just look at one side of the coin.
@@rukitipuna9905 nah,that happened to an AB.So,it didn't happen,if you know what I mean.
That shingler one was hilarious!! And Steve was like, yeah get him off!!
The Hand of Bac against Munster in the Heineken Cup Final?
Coming from a Leicester fan couldn't agree more .
0:57 “we have a deal” what deal?The rules are the rules...that should’ve been a penalty?and I’m South African
Yeah what fucking deal eh? Are all NH refs paid out?
Read was several metres offside at the kick-off (can be seen in this video), which was the only was he managed to get to interfere with the catch which was knocked on. Really basic thing for the ref to have checked: correct decision was a scrum to the lions in the middle of the pitch which would have saved all the fuss
@@73North265 i would have penalty to lions because basically he barged into the back of the catcher, I slowed down the kickoff and I think he's just about timed it right so isn't as clear cut, his back foot is still on the halfway line as the ball is already off the boot and on its way.
Every ref screws up, it can't be avoided given the number of calls they have to make. I got no problem with the 2007 quarter final ABs v France, we weren't good enough to win on merit, one wrong call by the ref shouldn't be blamed for that.
2:19 perfect tackle
Agreed textbook
Remember you can’t tackle Dan Carter
@@stewartgrindlay9760 Yeah lol except will farell
How could they put Ashton in the sin bin when Tuilagi punched him and tackled him high?!
Pat Lambie had to end his career, and it all started with the concussion at 1:16
Yeah, nothing controversial about that call... CJ could have avoided hitting Lambie
Pieter Loots He was in the air trying to block the kick. With the momentum he had it would have been impossible to avoid him
@@shanemurphy6130 I agree, Unfortunately its a sad story for Pat Lambie. I think he had the skill to become one of the greatest springboks ever.
Yep nothing controversial
Actually, I don't understand why McAlister yellow is controversial. He stops playing the ball and go to stop the opponent. It's a yellow card. And about the french try in RWC 2007, it may be a knock on but it should have been a yelllow card for McAlister (again) at the end when he goes for the head. Delon Armitage got a yellow for doing the same to Nadolo a few years ago.
Nothing "controversial" about
- the Warburton tackle - the law at the time said that if the players hear, neck or shoulders hit the ground, it was an offence, and the direction to referees at the time (and still in place today) is that if a tackler drives or drops a player into this position, it's a straight red. The ref made the right call.
- the Korean player's tackle - no arms in a grass cutter is highly dangerous, and referees have been instructed to penalise these types of tackles harshly.
- the Irish player against South Africa - from the angle shown, contact was made with the upper chest/head area.
- McAlister against the French - he moved his running line into the path of the French player coming through, impeding (it doesn't help that he dropped the shoulder).
- the French shot at goal that fell over - if you choose a shot, you need to make a genuine shot at goal. 100% correct referee decision (if the French player had simply stopped his approach and reset the ball, then there would have been no problems). I.e. the French player just fucked up.
Absolutely nothing controversial about 1st clip. The ref had no other option but red card. The rules are clear. Brits and Irish just can't take their medicine.
Ashley Thomas nowadays yes clear red but back in 2011 you’d get a yellow at best for that sort of tackle. There were worse tackles in that tournament that weren’t punished as much. Also to say that it’s just the brits and Irish who complain about the ref is horseshit
There was more than just this one tackle. Looking back at the competition one would not be remiss in thinking that perhaps the All Blacks had had their path to the win paved by incompetent refereeing. Bryce Lawrence reffed the game between Ireland and Australia, harshly penalising Australia and allowing a famous Irish victory. In doing so, he ensured that Australia would come up against South Africa in the 1/4/ final, which he reffed. Following the Ireland Australia game, he wrote a letter of apology to Australia and then went on to completely destroy that 1/4 final with probably the most controversial refereeing display in the history of the game. That year, on his retirement (albeit slightly forced) NZRU awarded him with the Ref of the Year award - yet more controversy as it looks suspiciously like "thanks for the World Cup".
There were other controversial issues at the tournament; France were fined something like $20 000 for crossing the half way line during the Haka, some poor Pacific Islander was fined a ton of cash for wearing the wrong brand of gum guard, yet England were caught using an illegal ball for Wilkinson's goal kicking and.... NOTHING!! Referees were appointed against RWC policy, where there country had a vested interest in the outcome of the game. Nigel Owens (Wales) reffing the (final) South Africa pool stage game against Samoa, the one where Frans Steyn got injured. A letter from Owens to the Bok camp after the match apologised for allowing the foul play against them to get out of hand and thanked them for not losing their cool and retaliating.
The tackle shown here was the third spear tackle of the competition and the only one that resulted in a red card. This incident ended that game as a competition and resulted in a yawn fest, allowing France to get to the final, the first team to do so with two pool stage losses.
tl:dr - everything about that World Cup led to the All Blacks losing all decent competition and paving their way to victory. The same was said in 2007 about the Springboks because the All Blacks were kicked out by the French forward pass, but the difference is that that was only one forward pass. 2011 was so much more than that.
It was the correct call, certainly. The controversy lies in that the guidance given to referees was not widely publicised, so tackles that were yellows before the tournament began suddenly became reds without most spectators understanding why. A controversial change in protocol rather than a controversial decision.
This does not explain the two yellow cards given for spear tackles in the tournament before this one...
Karma, you are correct. The refs inconsistently applied the guidance that was given to them before the tournament, which made the decision in the SF stand out. All in all, the IRB made a pig's ear of the whole thing. They failed to properly publicise the guidance to the public, and they failed to get most of the refs to properly apply the guidance up until the semi-final. All in all, they messed up, and Allain Rolland got unfairly vilified by the press and the public.
But then again, what else should we expect from the IRB/World Rugby? This is the organisation that experimented with the idea that players could use their hands in the ruck for years when everyone with a brain knew all you had to do was be strict on tacklers releasing and rolling away.
As a Leicester fan I like to think I see less foul play from the Tigers but Manu’s punch was beyond unacceptable
You could have put in the entire 80 min. of the 2011 WC final.
1:31 This was 100% deserved, he looks at the opposition and intentionally runs to shoulder. Classic NZ dirty play.
100% a red card - stupid cynical play that ended Lambie's career
Not dirty at all.
Why is the first one controversial ? -_-
Why is the last one in there ..? Genuinely puzzled.
Diarmuid Buckley Ref decided that Wyclef Palu did not use his arms, therefore, shoulder charge. From what is see, it was nothing more than a great front on tackle and he got carded for it. Piss poor refereeing in my mind.
Pause at 4:59 and you can clearly see a shoulder to the head, he's basically standing upright, the arms do wrap but it's high and dangerous, yellow card
Im not a fan of the scotland rugby team (far too much kicking) but that decision by joubert to gift australia a win was an apsolute shocker.
In the first clip the tackle is not high or dangerous but how the player lands is dangerous because he sort of landed on his neck with his full bodyweight on top he could've broken his neck
2:45 can someone clarify this card? I don’t get why he’s the one getting the card and not the one who’s tackling without the ball
The ref obviously and incorrectly thought the ball-less tackle happened the other way round
3:43 sorry but wrong. How can the ball propel backwards off Phipps who is running forwards?
That Warburton tackle ?? The french guy landed on his back not his head or neck .. yes his legs went past the horizontal which is a yellow at most not red...
Nothing from Brice laurence aus vs rsa ???
@Douw G Nortier you saffers are hilarious.Let me spell it out to you - you weren't good enough to win.End of story.
Elliot Dixon try 2015 SR Final. He didn't get it down. That 7 points decided the game in the end.
What is it with posters who think their otherwise worthy video is going to be augmented by some idiotic background music?? Especially when the events being shown already have a useful background commentary, which it would be useful to be able to hear clearly?
The only thing controversial is the biased blinkered commentating of the kiwi commentators
That is not true,
the accidental offside is a rule that is only applied when a player cant help receiving the ball when he is caught out at an offside position, however he received the pass and could've avoided it, and he knew what he had done wrong a second too late. Beauden Barrett would have gotten a successful conversion from there. However seeing as the french don't like the all blacks they try to make things harder for them and call bullshit. I will say that the reffing for the second and third tests was piss poor, however I admit that the All blacks played bang average for their standards in the last two tests and that the Lions did play quite well but with shit discipline in the second test. Overall both of the refs in the last two tests were french and they both made controversial calls and for the most part they were against the All Blacks. But the Lions did play very well and quite frankly even as an All Black supporter, I believe that All Blacks didn't deserve to win after their sloppy performances.
I agree the All Blacks didn't deserve to win and a draw was fair, I just wish it could have been a draw without the controversy . (I would have taken a AB win though :) )
Wrong (I'm guessing you are referring to the AB v Lions one). Accidental offside should only be awarded if the player in an offside position makes no attempt to play at the ball. Catching the ball is playing at the ball.
It's not often I will say it, but Keiran Reed seemed to be the only intelligent person in that conversation.
+Scotti Ramage
Someone's ignorant of the laws...
Precious aren't you. ..
That clearly forward french pass... and still, it's nothing compared to 2011 final when Craig Joubert forgot how to use a wistle because he did not want to be responsible for an AB defeat in New Zealand
Great video! What is the music!? Plis
Where was Bryce Lawrence v South Africa?
and what about the all match between NZ and France in 2011?
For those who wouldn't know, it is Sébastien Chabal at the right at 4:09
0:37 if advantage was played AB #13 under the sticks
So Alain Rolland, Romain Poite, Wayne Barnes, Nigel Owens and Craig Joubert haven't got their refereeing 100% correct?
I think most rugby fans don't realise how difficult refereeing is.
1:15 wasn't a controversial decision. That injury ended Pat Lambie's career, so I believe he deserved the red card.
that didnt end his career, he was out for a bit but he still played for 2 more years
I like it how the ref was speaking French to the French players.
What is the year of the France vs All Black were the guy pretend to kick the penalty and then pick up the ball ?
the warburton red isn't controversial. it's 100% correct.
It's a clear cut red now but there was a similar tackle in the group stages that was given a yellow and Warburton made a similar tackle in the quarter finals that received no sanction, so at the time it was very controversial.
I know I'm biased, but Craig Joubert ruined Scotland's World Cup with that (in my opinion) incorrect offside penalty. Its a tough call, but I think he got that wrong.
What's with the music?
You clearly have a problem with France bro.. Always French referees and when it's controversial that's for French.. Wtf did you post on TH-cam
Why do there are so many french tries wich are considered like controversial, such as the try with michalak, nothing wrong in this action🤣
it is funny but i don't see any image of 2011 final...
Warburton's red is a red by the standards as we understand them now but it might be argued that it was this decision that highlighted awareness around the legality of tackles and so forth. Though the rule had been legislated pre-tournament, it was the first time that a referee had acted on it.
The Australia 'penalty' v Scotland speaks for itself: Joubert hasn't had a test since.
funny how Joubert got done by the IRB.Yet,that wanker Barnes is still reffing after stitching up NZ in 2007.Go figure.
We just not going to talk about closing the gap in the lineout right at the start
The thing about the Scotland one was that 10 seconds earlier, Stuart Hogg was shoulder charged to the head off the pitch and Joubert didn’t notice. Disgraceful
A remember that. He obviously didn't want us to win that game.
Bullshit. Scotland got 9 points courtesy of Joubert fuck ups in scrums - 3 times the Scots illegally collapsed the scrum (including one time when Nel was being absolutely monstered, the breakaway collapsed it), yet each time, Joubert awarded penalties to Scotland for Australia collapsing.
And that doesn't cover that most of the 50-50 calls went Scotland's way.
But by all means, continue to focus on the one decision all day that didn't go the Scots way...
magpieram 5 months later.... scrum collapsing is a lot harder to referee/subjective than the blatant shit Aus got away with. You’re a biased mug
why the dramatic music?
How is Sam Warburton's tackle controversial ? He lifts the player, lets go of him, lands on the head/shoulder area, automatic red card. The rule is the same for every game, it doesnt matter if its the final or a test match, rule's the same
Great vid but why the deppressing music tho
3:40 ish; it doesn't come off the aussie number 21, it looks like it came off the back of the scottish number 20. Unlucky either way.
Lots of people don't understand the definition of 'controversial', even if it was the right decision that doesn't mean it wasn't controversial. Take the Warburton call for example, I agree with it but based on the reaction of the commentators you can see that it is obviously controversial.
Plus a half-French referee shouldn’t have been allowed to referee such a high profile game involving France.
And the 2011 world cup in general was horrific for refereeing.
Love how aston and tualangy are playing together now!
If u put it in slow speed when the samoan full back got red card u can clearly see the springboks player made few punches(elbow) on the head before the # 15 drops him
Shingler on Shingler.....!!!Think that might of been revenge for Aaron stealing Stevens cookie when they were kids and not admitting it. Brotherly love....!!! Bet that was an interesting conversation when they got back home!!! (Also note how Steven ran away ASAP??!!!)
You've got to update this after that Welsh disallowed try against England in the 6 Nations
th-cam.com/video/3OSb1ectKMc/w-d-xo.html here we go
French refs and officials been rigging world cups for the longest time. Island nations always called for playing too rough.
Lol, we're convinced of the exact opposite in France. Not to mention that Joubert ain't quite french though his last name is confusing.
Accidental offside is when the ball hits your arms not when you catch it realise you made a mistake and then change your mind. Doesn't mean ABs should of won, it's up to them to score enough that it takes the ref mistakes out of the game, that's the lesson of RWC07
Agreed, As a Kiwi I thought the result was a fair result for the tour , but I was incredibly disappointed that it had to end in such away. Still smarting over 07 though :)
This is incorrect. Accidental offside is when the referee judges that the player could not have reasonably avoided being contacted by the ball. If the referee judges that a player could not have reasonably avoided being contacted by the ball, it does not matter whether he drops it or catches it and turns upfield. Even if Ken Owens doesn't catch it, the ball would still have struck his arms or torso. Consequently, it's correct to have ruled it an accidental offside.
I honestly thought that the 2007 campaign while extremely frustrating and disapointing was the catalyst that took the all blacks to the next level, the change in player mindset, the new culture that was enforced after 07 propelled Nz to the next two world cups and to the even more dominant position where they are now
Watch AB kick off against lions he was two metre's offside correct decision even if you AB supporters disagree !
If people really think the Irish player didn't make head collision with pat lambie, that blow was one of the reasons his career ended
1:24 irish guy fully deserved
Honestly the first clip of the dump tackle is justified. I don't care what people say, as a captain of one of the most respected rugby teams in the world you do not go out and try to kill a guy. You don't deserve to captain the rest of the game
3:40 For me, the Scottish #20 is the last guy to touch the ball
The Ashton one doesn’t show the whole clip tuillangi got a red card as well....
Tuilagi actually got a yellow card, the main controversial point was that ashton got a yellow for effectively doing nothing
Calculated high shot on Tuilagi to kick it off.
I love seeing the Poms 'dealt with', some of the dirtiest players in World Rugby. Would place bets on their future incarceration for something violent.
More context around the clips and better music , would be a good vid
5:05 was high and its hard to tell with context if Australia had a high penalty count and were warned maybe a yellow was fair
But that wasn't even a penalty. The arms were ready to wrap (forward of the shoulders). The ball carrier was just hit so hard, the Australian player didn't have time to finish wrapping.
Is the one at 2:00 really controversial?
I commend the comments that are praising Alain Rolland for sending Sam Warburton off. Complete right decision !
Scotland lost because of a poor decision made by the ref in which he admitted.
Since then
Scotland have bet Australia at both Home and Away, they almost bet the All Blacks (If it hadn't have been for a knock on at the end of the game), currently sitting 5th in the world rankings, 3rd in the 6Nations (we play Ireland tomorrow 10-3-18) and bet England in the Calcutta Cup for the 1st time in 10 years. I'm proud of our wee team.
Scotland were only in the game because of three poor decisions (Scotland collapsing three scrums, Australia penalised for collapsing those three scrums, Scotland kick 9 points).
The amazing thing is the ref in Blues vs Scarlets had one of the worst games I've ever seen even before that Shingler decision
Avec tous ces cartons (rouges jaunes blancs) ,parfois sortis pour des broutilles, le Rugby risque de ressembler bientôt au foot ....et c'est bien dommage !
1:10 that ‘accidental’ offside cost us the whole series ffs
Joshthekiwi 1 Read should have been blown for crossing the halfway line ahead of the kicker.
Patrick Lawlor no, it doesn’t matter if it is ‘accidental’ it is still offside
@@joshthekiwi1540 Did you actually read what Patrick just said?
Nothing controversial about the Korean prop being sed off. No harm jumping with the shoulder to the knee of the opponent
He grabs his legs with his hands, you're as blind as the referee.
His hands were nowhere near the ball carrier - they were in a different post code. It was a grass cutter, and rightfully red carded.
What a surprise that the French refs are the talking point.
It physically hurts to watch these calls.
I think that they should review refs and after a certain amount of incorrect and terrible calls they should be banned from reffing high level games
Nothing controversial about Stander, it was late and very high (hips/butt hit Lambie on head).....that was the first of the concussions that caused his retirement from rugby at 28 years old and he is a great player
It was accidental, I think a yellow would’ve been more appropriate
I wonder what the comments would be like if all the jerseys were the same colour and you couldn't make out their faces so therefore not knowing the identity of the player. Now , they would be more interesting and balanced comments in my opinion
Barnes had a shocker in 2007
Music???????????
Nothing controversial about 1.17, knee in the face of a defenceless kicker
Along with ... the entire platoon has been killed except me , music.
I agree with the red card on no15 .He was intentionally hanging onto his opponent and would not let him go even though force was used to escape his grip .Then no15 blue used his own brand of violence to try prove his tight how stupid
Oooh, that CJ Stander decision is brutal! 😕
Well I mean he hit lambie in the head whether it was deliberately or not though
I feel bad for bought as pat lambie had his career ended but you can see that there was no intention in it from stander so could you imagine what it must feel like knowing that you ende another mans career
Romain Poite invented a new rule on the spot..... 'accidental offside'
Accidental offside is a real thing. But yes it has nothing to do with their situation
@@stevenmcalister826 True. I stand corrected. However, if Poite felt no advantage had been gained, I feel that he should have let play continue. Anton Lienert-Brown was in a very good position to play on with pretty much no one left in front of him. Poite removed any advantage for the All Blacks.
How is 1:16 controversial decision that on hit led him to retire when more followed
Literally just read through the rules of rugby and there is an accidental offside which applies in the Lions clip. So that emotive music and disgruntled look of Reed's face can sod off.
Even if he doesn't catch it, the ball would still have contacted him. It's not a question of whether the player made an effort to play it, it's whether he could have avoided it. Romain Poite ruled that it would have contacted him regardless. It was the correct call.
TomosANTIGUATomos hahahah stop talking shit. At least we still rule the rugby world and are back to back champs.
That's nice dear.
Fair enough, you're right. I misread.
Try reading it with your brain engaged. It can't be an accidental offside when the player deliberately grasps the ball. There is nothing "accidental" about that. That decision by a Froggie halfwit ranks as one of the most incompetent ever made on an international rugby field. It's an open and shut case. It could have been challenged in a court of law.
If you don't do anything stupid in the first place, the ref doesn't have to make a controversial decision