It would be great if at the end or beginning of each drone flight video test you could put a photo or small 360 video of the drones so we can see how they are assembled and the camera they carry in detail. Anyway really good videos mate!!
I editing/color graded this in Davinci Resolve. Unfortunately Premiere doesn't natively accept cinema DNG footage coming out of the sigma fp. You can run the footage through slimraw, but Premiere cannot alter all the raw data and recover highlights.
This drone is a beast. You really inspire me sam! What are your thoughts on the bmpcc4k vs the sigma fp. You are enticing me back to give cinelifters a try
The Sigma fp categorically has a better image than the BMPCC4K due to its full frame sensor and Raw DNG codec. What makes it incredible though is it is just light enough that suddenly the flight characteristics are quite acrobatic and nimble. And you don't even have to decase it.
@@33rdframe actually, if you are relatively new to cinelifting I would recommend the sony ZV e10 instead. I bought one and it arrives tomorrow. It is 8 bit, but I think you can still get amazing shots out of it. Sigma fp is a non starter for many because of the file sizes and cinema dng workflow. We are talking about 3Gbps record data rates here!
@@strawhatsam hahah i am a go big or go home kinda guy :P
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What a genius, this is just mindblowing!!! i have a sigma fp and would love to build a rig like this myself, i have zero electronic knowledge, you thing i can pull this? do you happen to sell one?
Do you think that 8s setup would perform better on 6" props ? Also have you concidered putting servo in front to have cammera angle adjustable in head-tracker ?
I am using the full frame Laowa 14mm f/4. I modified the lens and replaced the focus and front rings with a 3D printed version to bring its weight down from 228g to 190g.
Been waiting for you to throw this camera on one of your drones. The fp is such an interesting little camera. I understand it's a light weight camera but would de-casing it make a significant difference?
I have already taken it apart and put it back together again. All necessary components weigh only 150g. If I designed a lightweight naked case for it, I estimate it would weight 250-300g.
@@strawhatsam That would be a pretty major weight reduction. I just can't get over the kind of quality you can get out of a tiny camera like that. 12bit raw is crazy.
What device are you recording the 12bit on? second question: Are you using the DJI air unit + Gyroflow? As a proposal, I have the LOava 10mm Pancake. It`s no a full frame but 160g only + the camera body + ssd in total is 660g ps what Laova are you using here? the only Laova 14mm I can find is no full format
I am recording to the Samsumg 970 EVO Plus with an ORICO M.2 NVMe enclosure. Here are links to the lens, ssd, and enclosure: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1600116-REG/venus_optics_ve1440l_laowa_14mm_f_4_ff.html/?ap=y&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuLShBhC_ARIsAFod4fKl1_wDbbtpmdMG6hBs_vTGLESayaXEtv2WRJzGuhtso7p6gXBFercaAmy2EALw_wcB&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=y&smpm=ba_f2_lar www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S1T0B/dp/B07MFZY2F2/ref=asc_df_B07MFZY2F2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242167970588&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17492278153053288780&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032926&hvtargid=pla-638196418225&psc=1 www.amazon.com/ORICO-NVMe-Enclosure-Gbps-Support/dp/B08G14NBCS/ref=sxts_rp_s_a_sp_1_0?content-id=amzn1.sym.e8519b4d-5d31-4f84-be02-43f6315c47d1%3Aamzn1.sym.e8519b4d-5d31-4f84-be02-43f6315c47d1&crid=37IH8HAITV1N3&cv_ct_cx=orico+m.2+enclosure&keywords=orico+m.2+enclosure&pd_rd_i=B08G14NBCS&pd_rd_r=97663eb5-ae1c-4dd0-ade1-94d3410f054f&pd_rd_w=j6Yui&pd_rd_wg=4axCY&pf_rd_p=e8519b4d-5d31-4f84-be02-43f6315c47d1&pf_rd_r=21XXXTV4SBGM5JY9T2S9&qid=1680707799&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=orico+m.2+enclosur%2Caps%2C229&sr=1-1-3a65484d-1c95-4bed-b564-9469fdeef107 I am getting 600MB/s transfer speed when copying files to my computer with a ptoper USB C cable. As far as the Laowa 10mm pancake you can use this lens in super 35 crop mode on the sigma fp, but I wanted to take advantage of the whole sensor. The cookie lens is a great solution for the Canon EOS R50 and Sony ZV E10 for those who want a super light budget friendly setup.
@@strawhatsam many thanks, I found a solution for very short cable connection to the Sabrent SSD 1T + a home made mount wich is also fast enough to get the speed for 12bit raw. The is also a more elegant mount to buy but I cannot find it now. th-cam.com/video/uc9UgdlY0O4/w-d-xo.html
I don't really see the point of this... it weights more than the pigeon but its 6" instead of 7" so it handles it a little bit worse therefore flight performance is worse and on top of that the quality/dynamic range/color science is worse than the BMPCC4K and workflow too, and both platforms use the same battery size meaning pigeon gets more flight time by a bit cause its probably more efficient
The idea here is not optimization like the Pigeon. Instead it's about flexibility. The Vulture as a platform can carry everything from GoPro up to RED Komodo (and swap them out quickly on set) and still get great smooth footage with all these cameras, not an easy feat. Yes 7 inch would perform better, but you can no longer use prop guards for whoop mode and the footage with small cameras won't be as smooth in windy conditions due to to lower RPM. And about what you say about dynamic range color science and quality, I would argue that the Sigma fp has the BMPCC4K beat in all of those catergories. I have both and have worked with both and I find it is easier to get the look I want with the Cinema DNG codec and there is tons of information available in the image if processed correctly. With that said though, the BMPCC4K is a better overall camera for most people due to the nice codecs and convenient internal recording. But it weighs a lot more. With a Laowa 7.5mm it is 970g, while this Sigma fp setup is about 670g. So to fly the bmpcc4k with a small drone you have to decase it. This setup in this video is an option for those who prefer not to make their cameras naked, but still want a compact cinelifter capable of acrobatic flight. So one setup is not necessarily better than the other, it is a matter of what kind of clients you will be working with, what kind of workflows can you manage, and how much do you value versatility or optimization? Also, I do sell 7 inch arms for the Vulture for those who want extra thrust and efficiency with camera payloads 500g - 1.5kg for outdoor acro flying.
Le Pigeon is specifically designed for naked BMPCC4K cages and is not compatible. The Vulture by contrast, doesn't work with naked BMPCC cages BUT is compatible with almost any camera + lens 1.5kg or less. Both have there advantages and disadvantages so it's up to your determine which aspects of each drone you value more.
Looks absolutely amazing! So impressed how well it flies with the camera!
Yeah I think the sideways mounting of the battery makes a huge difference in making it more acrobatic.
Thanks Sam! Quite impressive what a little 6" X4 can do.
Nice demo! I've been looking at the FP L, haven't seen anyone fly one yet but I'm sure its much the same.
The fact that the camera body is under a pound is nuts!
Looks really great Sam. You have that thing tuned perfectly!
It would be great if at the end or beginning of each drone flight video test you could put a photo or small 360 video of the drones so we can see how they are assembled and the camera they carry in detail.
Anyway really good videos mate!!
I will try that next time!
Wow! It flyes better than my 5" with such a heavy payload! :O I want it!
Fantastic channel so far by the way!!🎉
Looks like you got a little adobe "highlight shadow" effect going on there to give some local contrast in the shadows?
I editing/color graded this in Davinci Resolve. Unfortunately Premiere doesn't natively accept cinema DNG footage coming out of the sigma fp. You can run the footage through slimraw, but Premiere cannot alter all the raw data and recover highlights.
This drone is a beast. You really inspire me sam!
What are your thoughts on the bmpcc4k vs the sigma fp.
You are enticing me back to give cinelifters a try
The Sigma fp categorically has a better image than the BMPCC4K due to its full frame sensor and Raw DNG codec. What makes it incredible though is it is just light enough that suddenly the flight characteristics are quite acrobatic and nimble. And you don't even have to decase it.
@@strawhatsam sold, I am buying one. Also given my main camera is the s5 I can swap lenses between them
@@33rdframe actually, if you are relatively new to cinelifting I would recommend the sony ZV e10 instead. I bought one and it arrives tomorrow. It is 8 bit, but I think you can still get amazing shots out of it. Sigma fp is a non starter for many because of the file sizes and cinema dng workflow. We are talking about 3Gbps record data rates here!
@@strawhatsam hahah i am a go big or go home kinda guy :P
What a genius, this is just mindblowing!!! i have a sigma fp and would love to build a rig like this myself, i have zero electronic knowledge, you thing i can pull this? do you happen to sell one?
Looks amazing
Do you think that 8s setup would perform better on 6" props ? Also have you concidered putting servo in front to have cammera angle adjustable in head-tracker ?
Brilliant as always. What lens are you using Sam? Amazed at this cams low light performance too. 👏
I am using the full frame Laowa 14mm f/4. I modified the lens and replaced the focus and front rings with a 3D printed version to bring its weight down from 228g to 190g.
Nice work
Been waiting for you to throw this camera on one of your drones. The fp is such an interesting little camera. I understand it's a light weight camera but would de-casing it make a significant difference?
I have already taken it apart and put it back together again. All necessary components weigh only 150g. If I designed a lightweight naked case for it, I estimate it would weight 250-300g.
@@strawhatsam That would be a pretty major weight reduction. I just can't get over the kind of quality you can get out of a tiny camera like that. 12bit raw is crazy.
How long can u fly?
so nice!
What device are you recording the 12bit on? second question: Are you using the DJI air unit + Gyroflow? As a proposal, I have the LOava 10mm Pancake. It`s no a full frame but 160g only + the camera body + ssd in total is 660g
ps what Laova are you using here? the only Laova 14mm I can find is no full format
I am recording to the Samsumg 970 EVO Plus with an ORICO M.2 NVMe enclosure. Here are links to the lens, ssd, and enclosure:
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1600116-REG/venus_optics_ve1440l_laowa_14mm_f_4_ff.html/?ap=y&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuLShBhC_ARIsAFod4fKl1_wDbbtpmdMG6hBs_vTGLESayaXEtv2WRJzGuhtso7p6gXBFercaAmy2EALw_wcB&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=y&smpm=ba_f2_lar
www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S1T0B/dp/B07MFZY2F2/ref=asc_df_B07MFZY2F2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242167970588&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17492278153053288780&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032926&hvtargid=pla-638196418225&psc=1
www.amazon.com/ORICO-NVMe-Enclosure-Gbps-Support/dp/B08G14NBCS/ref=sxts_rp_s_a_sp_1_0?content-id=amzn1.sym.e8519b4d-5d31-4f84-be02-43f6315c47d1%3Aamzn1.sym.e8519b4d-5d31-4f84-be02-43f6315c47d1&crid=37IH8HAITV1N3&cv_ct_cx=orico+m.2+enclosure&keywords=orico+m.2+enclosure&pd_rd_i=B08G14NBCS&pd_rd_r=97663eb5-ae1c-4dd0-ade1-94d3410f054f&pd_rd_w=j6Yui&pd_rd_wg=4axCY&pf_rd_p=e8519b4d-5d31-4f84-be02-43f6315c47d1&pf_rd_r=21XXXTV4SBGM5JY9T2S9&qid=1680707799&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=orico+m.2+enclosur%2Caps%2C229&sr=1-1-3a65484d-1c95-4bed-b564-9469fdeef107
I am getting 600MB/s transfer speed when copying files to my computer with a ptoper USB C cable.
As far as the Laowa 10mm pancake you can use this lens in super 35 crop mode on the sigma fp, but I wanted to take advantage of the whole sensor. The cookie lens is a great solution for the Canon EOS R50 and Sony ZV E10 for those who want a super light budget friendly setup.
@@strawhatsamdoes that m.2 enclosure also work reliably on a bmpcc?
@@strawhatsam many thanks, I found a solution for very short cable connection to the Sabrent SSD 1T + a home made mount wich is also fast enough to get the speed for 12bit raw. The is also a more elegant mount to buy but I cannot find it now. th-cam.com/video/uc9UgdlY0O4/w-d-xo.html
amazing !
Battery size?
Which frame rate? So smooth
Thanks! It's the Vulture frame: strawhataerial.com/collections/vulture
Is this stabilized footage?
If not I really wanna see the raw footage way more!!!
Naw this is 100% unstabilized. It's all in the fingers!
So awesome
pretty agile ❤
👏👏👏
I don't really see the point of this... it weights more than the pigeon but its 6" instead of 7" so it handles it a little bit worse therefore flight performance is worse and on top of that the quality/dynamic range/color science is worse than the BMPCC4K and workflow too, and both platforms use the same battery size meaning pigeon gets more flight time by a bit cause its probably more efficient
The idea here is not optimization like the Pigeon. Instead it's about flexibility. The Vulture as a platform can carry everything from GoPro up to RED Komodo (and swap them out quickly on set) and still get great smooth footage with all these cameras, not an easy feat. Yes 7 inch would perform better, but you can no longer use prop guards for whoop mode and the footage with small cameras won't be as smooth in windy conditions due to to lower RPM.
And about what you say about dynamic range color science and quality, I would argue that the Sigma fp has the BMPCC4K beat in all of those catergories. I have both and have worked with both and I find it is easier to get the look I want with the Cinema DNG codec and there is tons of information available in the image if processed correctly. With that said though, the BMPCC4K is a better overall camera for most people due to the nice codecs and convenient internal recording. But it weighs a lot more. With a Laowa 7.5mm it is 970g, while this Sigma fp setup is about 670g. So to fly the bmpcc4k with a small drone you have to decase it.
This setup in this video is an option for those who prefer not to make their cameras naked, but still want a compact cinelifter capable of acrobatic flight.
So one setup is not necessarily better than the other, it is a matter of what kind of clients you will be working with, what kind of workflows can you manage, and how much do you value versatility or optimization?
Also, I do sell 7 inch arms for the Vulture for those who want extra thrust and efficiency with camera payloads 500g - 1.5kg for outdoor acro flying.
Would it be possible to mount it on a Le Pigeon?
Le Pigeon is specifically designed for naked BMPCC4K cages and is not compatible. The Vulture by contrast, doesn't work with naked BMPCC cages BUT is compatible with almost any camera + lens 1.5kg or less. Both have there advantages and disadvantages so it's up to your determine which aspects of each drone you value more.
@@strawhatsam Got it! Thanks for the response.
Very nice. Interesting... hmmmm
Hello, I can't buy it, I watched your video and drew one, and it is perfectly compatible with your 3D printing.