This Camera Is Terrible but I Love It!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- I Love and yet hate the Sigma FP camera. Watch to see who this full frame camera is for and how the 4K raw video holds up. My Camera Guides: academy.dslrvideoshooter.com
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Video Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
0:24 Pros
1:27 Recording/Raw Options
3:51 Raw Workflow
6:00 Cons
7:21 H.264 Quality
8:21 Final Conclusion
8:39 How to Fix This Camera
Pros:
Full frame raw camera for under $2,000
Very well built
12bit raw is incredible when using DaVinci Resolve
Several raw setting options
Video features like scopes, shutter angles, frame guides, viewfinder settings
Great battery life for the size
Records to SD cards or SSDs via USB-C
Cons:
Raw is great but all other modes are awful
No 10 bit in H.264
4:2:0 internal
No compressed raw
Auto focus is not great for video
Menu system is painful to use
No log profile
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Huge update! As of June 25th (2 days after this review) Sigma has announce the 2.0 firmware update which includes:
- ProRes RAW over HDMI
- Blackmagic RAW over HDMI (WHAAAAT!)
- DCI 4K over HDMI
- More frame rate options in HD and 4K
- And more.
This is a huge update which will help the FP a ton. Unfortunately there is still no log profile or plans for 10bit 4:2:2 internal recording.
Once these updates are available I’ll revisit this camera in a new video!
Really cool update
Plss make another review after updating🙏🏻🙏🏻
Haha I came back here to tease you about posting 1 day before the new firmware came out... or maybe they listened to you and reacted super fast! 😄 p.s. the firmware is already available now. Yeah gutted to get no 10bit internal .mov with log and unfortunately they said they tried but for some technical reason could not implement log and do not believe they will be able to, very strange. I just installed and tested the 100fps HD 12bit raw and it's REALLY nice! Unfortunately no 4K50/60p though... even externally to BMD or ATOMOS recorder. Look forward to your next review of the fp 👍
I'm waiting for a new review !!!
What is the difference between file sizes between GH5 10bit 422 400mps vs BRaw vs ProRes 422? Thinking the Sigma FP is looking more tasty after this update
This camera is hardly 'terrible.' You should revisit this camera now that there have been firmware updates. They've really improved it.
Stop whining about not having compressed RAW. Enough is enough. To add compressed RAW, the camera's processor needs to do a lot more conversion, and that drives up the HW spec, size, weight, and cost. The spec creep will kill the fp. All for what? So you save some money on external storage? A camera like this can easily last you 10 years, and right now, you can buy a 2TB external SSD for roughly $200. And it'll be even cheaper in the foreseeable future. So stop whining already. It's a part of the package, the nature of the beast.
7:57 I don't know, but the side by side sample, actually shows Sigma FP 8bit standard profile looks better than the Panasonic S1 10bit graded log. It looks sharper too.
Lol I was looking at the same thing in disbelief 🥺🥺
😂I had to adjust my eyes because was like...did he intend to use this clip as something negative?
That uncompressed RAW thing has to be annoying, but damn that's some extreme dynamic range, loved it
try out SlimRaw Software
It's kinda funny cuz its dynamic range is actually very mediocre. It just isn't in a log format initially. 12.5 stops is among the lowest of any cinema camera. It's still very cool though and beefy data rates + great color.
@@DrWNoLs a lot of that is marketing. CineD has tested the dynamic range of this camera vs black magic 4K/6k and it’s almost identical to 4K. I’m not sure how dynamic range compares to other cheaper cinema cams like Panasonic bgh1 or zcam but it’s pretty much on par w black magics cheapest options. Weighs half as much, has superior af w updates and it’s full frame vs micro 4/3 and super 35. Other than being a more recognized and accepted brand in production environments I don’t see huge benefit of doing black magic over sigma fp or fpl
@@upclosepro I don't know about that, 12.7 stops vs 11.8 with a signal to noise ratio of 2 on the pocket 4k vs FP makes perfect sense to me. 1 stop is a very big deal. The FP also has far less exposure tools and no log preview to my knowledge, which is a huge issue. The difference is far from marketing imo, and just a matter of practicality. Also with the pocket 4k it's more reassuring to know color space transforms will work as intended. With the FP you have to change the linear data to blackmagic design gamma, and that's not exactly the most professional option vs the company itself having it's own log (even via metadata in post, a Sigma official log would be nice).
@@DrWNoLs One way to have a Log preview is using the Atomos Ninja V, RAW signal from Sigma FP is converted in Panasonic V Log. It works great, I developed my own LUT and I always switch between the Atomos preview for monitoring the image and the internal monitoring for recording on SSD. I hope Sigma will find a way to develop some sort of Log, since they added EL Zone in the last firmware.
The graded fp footage is really superior. I can see why you find promise with it. I hope they follow your suggestions. Great review!
Coincidentally they fixed the Sigma fp with the upcoming Firmware 2.0. They will support Dual Native ISO, external Recording in ProRes RAW or BRAW 😍, Timecode Support for the Audiofile in Cinema DNG etc. They transformed that camera from an obscurity to a really interesting option for indie filmmakers.
Really good workflow a lot of fp owners are now using for cDNG clips we want to keep is converting direct from the SSD using software called SlimRaw, with lossless compression it more than halves the file size but retains full quality of the raw.
I really enjoy the image I'm able to get out of mine, but I did indeed need to start learning Resolve to be able to make any headway with it. I did a dual fp camera interview recording... recorded for 27 minutes, ended up with a terabyte of cDNGs and it took 2 days for After Effects to process them into a ProRes file for me to edit in Premiere. So DEFINITELY Resolve is more than a recommendation. It's a must. 😅
Totally agree with you, a LOG profile with a LUT for monitoring would be ideal, and a compressed RAW format that doesn't result in thousands of image files would also be lovely!
Interesting as hell I was wondering why nobody else is really making videos about this camera
Yeah, this camera is so close to great but so far!
Caleb, thanks for all the great content on gear over the years man. You definitely have helped me out with my freelance career and my channel.
Yeah man, I think it’s just a case of the wrong market.
Nobody is asking for a point and shoot sized cinema camera. I think if Sigma would have made this camera more of a hybrid size like the BMPCC, or even focused on bringing a really affordable true cinema style camera to market, (think Kinefinity or Z cam) I think they would have faired much better.
The most practical application for a small camera like this is mounting it on a drone. But the market that this camera is geared for isn’t going to be buying a drone without an onboard camera so that’s kind of a DOA idea as well
All in all, it’s just a weird implementation of a cinema camera lol
I think there's a ton of negativity surrounding this camera rn. I mean I get some of it but I'm still so interested in this camera. Great video Caleb! :D
Excited to see what updates come in the future, and future FP models as you mentioned. A lot of potential for this little guy!
RAW can never be 4:2:2 if it's stored in a mosaic format like CinemaDNG, because no chromatic sub sampling has occurred to the image. It remains 4:4:4 until after the debayer. People often confuse the bayer sensel resolutions with chromatic sub sampling, and they simply are not the same. With a mosaic RAW at the end of the demosaicing process one will have a 4:4:4 color image and at that point those colors can get chromatically average to a lower chromatic resolution like 4:2:2 or 4:2:0.
Please explain further in simple english
@@papaattrams4077 The sensors are made of colored "pixels" that form a pattern. The pattern is called a mosaic. The most common color mosaic pattern is the bayer pattern, and while it is stored in gray values these values are actually Red, Green and Blue information. The bayer pattern consists of 1 red "pixel", 1 blue "pixel" and 2 green "pixels." Until that pattern is converted into a physical image using a process known as demosaicing every "pixel" retains full RGB potential despite any compression. The RGB bayer pattern must always be RGB demosaiced before it can be converted to a chromatic color space like YUV (Y= luminance, U & V = chrominance) where chromatic color compression can occur. Chromatic sub sampling (4:2:2) removes 1/2 of the chromatic colors from an image, but can only be done with chromatic color when luminance has been separated from the color information. Thus because this stores the RAW Bayered information, any initial image from it will always be 4:4:4 and can not be 4:2:2.
@@billyoung9538 Cool. Now please explain further in simple italian please
@@ClaudioDesideriFilms 4:4:4, 4:2:2 e 4:2:0 sono rapporti di campionamento cromatico. Sono utilizzati solo negli spazi cromatici in cui sono presenti dati di luminanza e crominanza separati per dirci quanti colori cromatici in meno ci sono rispetto alle informazioni sulla luminanza. Un pattern Bayer dei sensori è solitamente sotto forma di dati RGB e non di dati di luminanza e crominanza. Quindi l'uso dei rapporti di campionamento cromatico non può funzionare, perché non stiamo operando nello stesso spazio colore. Oltre a ciò, con i campioni RGB Bayer usano complessi algoritmi matematici demosaici per ricavare più colori, e non meno. Quindi, con un pattern del sensore Bayer finiamo sempre con l'equivalente RGB di un'immagine cromatica 4:4:4 e non avremo mai né 4:2:2 né 4:2:0 a meno che i dati del sensore RAW non siano demosaici e quindi convertiti in uno spazio cromatico.
You sound like you know what you speak of, and let's face it, unless you are shooting for a Cinema Release, who in the world is going to notice or care, when viewing online?
Particularly on some handheld device!
Cool. I had heard about the Sigma FP, both pros and cons, but not in such rich real-life detail. sounds pretty amazing and I love the dynamic range - and what you did with it. Looks absolutely cinematic. That price tag. I had no idea. I can totally see myself mount one of those along with an SSD on the side of a car and that sort of thing... external recording over USB-C is one of these game changers!
If I'm not mistaken white balance becomes irrelevant when shooting RAW as it's really just a bit of metadata stored alongside the well... raw sensor output. So you can align it as part of your RAW processing. Might be a bit of reconciliation regarding the cumbersome menus. ;)
Thanks - fair review - We have owned so many cameras from Sony to RED to our main love - Canons - but this has made me excited once again to shoot ( NOTE we only do video and only do raw ) I just wanted something the size of my phone that had results to match our C200. This is it.
I’m really impressed by the highlight recovery at 4:05
Finally a review that's logical, informative and good. Thank you. Enjoy your channel.
Huh. First time seeing this camera. Lots of potential with the fixes you mention.
You could also use SlimRAW as a way to store CinemaDNG in multiple RAW compressions (like 3:1... etc) when you do DIT instead of storing uncompressed CinemaDNG RAW files which are ridiculously huge.
Despite the cons, I am *absolutely* picking this camera up. Thank you for the lovely, honest review!!:)
Great review! I know someone has mentioned it below - but it was great to see you review it with the new firmware 2.0
btw, thanks for showing that extra aspect to editing it with DaVinci Resolve! This is the best through vid on this camera I've seen on here in months.
Yeah that's what I thought... as an fp owner and supporter I was a bit worried by the title but his points were all very fair and great that he actually showed how to get the best from the cDNG in Resolve... I've seen a lot of people who don't realize that step of using BMD in the raw settings to maximize the dynamic range.
Been waiting for this video thanks bro love the in-depth look.
Very nice review! I wish to get one... some day. Amazing raw quality 🔥 And really only Spencer and you done reviews about this little beast of a full frame.
I kept on seeing your video thumbnail over and over again.... and had to have a look!!... I was interested in the BMPCC4K but now this is the one for me...much appreciated Thanks...Laurie
About the menu, Sigma uses a Quick Select (QS) button for most quick to change settings. You really never have to go into the menu. 😂
That seems very interesting as an entry level cinema camera. Will have to keep an eye on this to see if they do any of the updates you mentioned
I love that you added chapters!
9:05 More great content! May I very politely point out that there is no supported H264 profile that supports 10 bit. That codec tops out at 8 bit. The required codec for 10 bit color, H265, requires far greater CPU power for the encode, and also has an additional licensing fee. Unless the FP has a ton of extra processing power laying around, and Sigma wants to pay more per unit for the H265 license, I think the 10 bit H265 option is not feasible for them.
I feel you need to talk to Panasonic. I get 10-bit H264 footage out of my GH5 every day.
There are plenty of cameras that shoot 10-bit H.264. In fact, the H.264 standard supports up to 14-bit 4:4:4 using the Hi444PP profile.
You break things down so well man, Awesome video!
Thanks Joshua!
A great add to this camera is Slimraw software, were u can compress Uncoompress Raw CinemaDNG to lossless DNG 1/3 size files and the same quality.
This seems very reminiscent of the release of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema camera, and how it just felt like a RAW sensor in a tiny, strpped body but with limitless potential.
Still love my pocket even though I never use it and this has all the same crazy appeal!
You are the best camera/video tutorial channel that has ever existed,
As always very unbiased honest review. I almost picked up one when I saw an incredible offer in Dubai ( selling new FP for usd 1300) but didn’t cuz of the bad reviews. Btw, I’m still waiting for ur fs700r experience, I understand it’s not a popular request but still hoping 😁 thanks mate
This could have the the potential to be a great camera. Your recommendations were spot on. Great video 💪🏾
Title: "this camera is terrible"
10:16: "this camera is amazing"
Bauxite does that mean he is psycho now ... from trying to keep up to date with everything? Just like the changes in a lot of workplaces for most of us.. I am beginning to think that being a complete novice with any cams , and a senior, my new Sony as6400 will get to me pro level in next to no time.... with no onset of any psychosis. wheeee
clickbait
Title : this camera is terrible, but I love it
🔥 Loving the setup Caleb!
Thanks Nate!!! Appreciate it brotha!
haha your timing is always impeccable. right bfeore a big firwmare update :) like the bmpcc!
Finally someone dishing out the competition!!
I might switch to sigma because they are such a dedicated company.
Just discovered your channel and every video here is AWESOMEly helpful! Wish I'd found you before I bought my Sigma fp. But since I've got it now, I'm wondering how to find and purchase your set-up guide for it? I couldn't find it on your website...
This is the most underrated camera on the market, if they revise it in the
the future to USB 3.2 gen 2 it would seriously be the ultimate cine pocket cam. This thing could even be better than using a go-pro if someone makes a waterproof cage.
You need to post an update 2.0 video, Caleb. Test if the "no color profile" is usable for monitoring for shooting RAW. And if this is a "usable" alternative to LOG.
The standard profile from the Sigma FP seemed really sharp to me compared to the Panasonic S1. I didn't really think their standard look looked that bad.
I'm aiming for Zcam E2 and sometime I hesitate with FP. Now, my path is clear. Bye FP, see you in the next upgraded models :S
Thank you for review this camera out.
Hey Caleb, will you make a video course on the sigma fp after you’ve tested the new firmware?
The FP can also be used as a USB Video Class (UVC) device; meaning it is recognized as a webcam when connected to a computer without the need for special software.
I have one arriving tomorrow. I figure it’s nice for trips as I can stay connected without using the crappy built in MBP camera.
Yeah, def the best option for a webcam.
I got one and I gotta say I love it!
Can definitely see this being used for action/car shots in TV and film.
Re-review this please!
“I can’t recommend it for most people including myself.” 🤣🤣
Bro he didn’t even pause or anything. Just threw that out there 😂
The latest update makes it even more usable
😂😂😂
Would be nice is he actually did a long term review. I’ve been watching TH-cam videos shot with this camera and I have to say they are quite beautiful. I think I might get one. Also I heard they were coming out with log in the next update.
I have to admit the update made it much better! And I'm sure they'll add more to it over time! I like how it has functionality with the Atomos Ninja V
Well made Caleb !!! 👏 👏 👏
those mirrorless with cumbersome menus are the right choice for stationary tripod cameras (set and forget), and for aerial filming with drones
Thanks for the review, Caleb. You played a part in me buying the FP and selling my A7III. No regrets so far!
Hi there. Is it good for fast action and sports scenes?
Thanks!
Big value in this video. :D
Small Tipp about the menu. With the top wheel you can switch directly to the next tab without fiddle around on the small wheel
DSLR video shooter never disappoints ❤️
awesome info, thank you! I love the idea of this camera, and the price! they just need to work out a few bugs and im all for picking one up. please sigma, just a few tweaks and you can take this to another level.
Love your work Caleb. Being a Panasonic fan, I often wonder whether you’ve used the EVA1 and what your thoughts on it were. I would find a comparison between that and the S1H interesting from your point of view. As they both have interesting strengths and weaknesses.
The first real test. I love it.
As usual up to the essence and a fair review
The issue here is not the camera. The issue is the user. This is an all new system, new UI. Not the canon, nikon, lumix, sony UI standards we're used to and like any learning curve the process of learning can frustrate some understandably. And sigma is just getting started...
I upgraded to the FP L with reservations of course but I was ready to deal with the learning curve. This camera is a gem. The dynamic range is insane. 9k DNG photos. 4k 12 bit DNG uncompressed data. But as artists we need what suits the project. So use what suits your needs. It could be any camera in the world.
The honesty is commendable 😂
That dynamic range is insane!
Yes, please, BRAW would be so great on this Camera. I bought it in November kinda speculating, that Log and something like BRAW would come per Firmware. Really risky to be honest, but i love the Idea to have a beast of a camera hat i can easilly carry around with me
Sigma teamed up with Atomos already for ProRes Raw.
SIGMA just added BlackMagic RAW with the Video Assist 12G connected...! th-cam.com/video/onsq3_ZKRX4/w-d-xo.html (likewise Atomos +prores)
Nice review, I really hope they do sort out the camera and not just make it a RAW focused type camera only 👍😊
At approx 5:40 - exporting Prores file is only available with Resolve on the Mac, or it can be done manually using ffmpeg.
nice review ... good to know some facts! seems like a nice 1st attempt from sigma, now hopefully they keep on innovating in that direction!
9:09 for real? The quality on the sigma is stunning, wow
I low-key thought my eyes were bad. I had this blown up on my tv and was so confused. Thought that quality looked fucking incredible but *shrug*
So interesting! So many tiny cinema cameras coming out lately! 👌🏻🎥
I like the idea of this camera but I’m more into the zcam lineup of cinema cameras. Good video and great info. Thanks man
I bought this yesterday, worth every penny. At one point I felt guilty for buying this at a steal price. Sigma Fp is amazing!
There is a *quasi* LOG with the new firmware, it's "Color Mode = OFF". Documentation is unclear, but it's legit.
Thanks for the review!
Biggest problem with MOV using this camera is there was previously no way to disable sharpening altogether, so the lack of AA filter caused nasty artifacts. Color Off fixed this, but it would be great to have some of the (lovely) color modes, just without the sharpening.
I love the idea of this camera, but you're right. It needs compressed raw for me to consider it. I'm itching to upgrade my a7rii kit so I hope they make some more updates to it as it looks like an amazing little video system.
Please don't forget the continuation of this video with the new firmware update :D, and thanks for real your videos have helped me a lot
Hi Caleb...learning so much from your content. I like the visual 'look' you get and I believe you shoot in LOG, but how do you get that soft, sort of dreamy look results? Is that LUT or all done via lights and in camera. Thanks and please keep up the great work!
That is some unlucky timing Caleb! Still a good video and hooray for many of the fixes you suggested in the new firmware 2.0.
The specs seem so good. All just software adjustments and then it could become a really great camera
Sigma did a firmware update to V2.0 on June 27 which now allows it to shoot Prorez with the Atmos recorder. I don't fully get what that is, but now it can do Prorez
I see a lot of potential in this camera with firmware upgrades for sure. Man, this is a sexy little camera. I would love to have this quality at this size.
The image quality out of fp is just so great! Paired it with zeiss , voigtlander or leica lenses. And its really amazing. I shoot fp mainly with manual lenses, and quality and rendering i get i never want to go back to modern autofocus lenses like sigma , pana. Rendering is so different!
Totally agree. I do the same. Let’s not forget the Ext. TC in which allows you to shoot high quality off board audio. The metabones cine adapter C/Y to L is my go to: it holds the lenses well without movement on focusing. The POWRIG D-Tap battery replacement allows me to shoot for hours with mini V-Mounts. Love it.
@@smallbrownfox594we need to see your camera setup :)
4:55: - Highlight Recovery setting would be "Highlight Dignity" if Camera Conspiracies was on the Resolve team lol :)
It’d be amazing to see a comparison between this camera and the BMPCC4K
I would love to see what you think of firmware 4.0 especially the new false colour capabilities.
Wow, I was like "noooooooo!" until you hit the cons list... Have a built out rig around my gh4 with pix e5, works like a beast and delivers 10 bit prores... But the FF sensor of this little gem though.... ;-)
Thx for sharing!!!
Awesome review! This camera needs BRAW and a Blackmagic menu and with that, it would be the perfect Gimbal Camera, literally the perfect Gimbal Camera!!!
Audacious Scoundrel yes
Cinema DNG Lossless RAW for DCI4K/30p is stated as 270MB/sec , from Blackmagic Design.
Unless there is a different compression in Sigma's cDNG Lossless RAW , then Sigma should have like 42MB/sec less bitrate.
Thank you for your informative video.
Bought one within the hour of watching this...
then an hour later the fp L was announced!
Lol. All good though because the pricing was already reduced and I wouldn’t want the L anyway. Don’t need autofocus, 61 MP and total loss of lowlight capability. For Cine fp original all the way.
Save yourself a $1000! (CDN)
Thanks, really helpfull!!
I really like what sigma is doing would love to test this little beast of a camera 👌🏼
Seems like a totally usable camera TBH. Having lots of expensive storage handy is common for any professional. The next model of it will be absolutley killer if they have a flip out screen, 4k 60fps, XLR ins, CFAST and better menu nav.
Yeah that would be awesome - the true "Pocket 4K"
Figuring out the minutiae involved with picture profile settings will be the make or break for using this camera, especially professionally. There is limited online guidance (mostly on message boards) available, so it will be a matter of trial and error before finding the right one.
Amazing! Thanks.
Firmware 2.0 dropped today covering most of the cons listed in this video. How's that for timing? I'm keen to have a play with this camera now.
I've been waiting for this review for a while. This camera was so close to perfect for me! Ive been dreaming of a killer compact cinema camera like this, but unfortunately it looks like I might have to wait a little longer.
This video is so dark but I love what your advice.
That looks like way more than the reported 12.5 stops of dynamic range! Blew this camera off before as I was hoping for at least 13 stops.
And they just introduced ProRes!
Great review Caleb! That’s a bummer there’s no V-Log or 4:2:2 10bit, would love to see a firmware update as well!
V-Log? It's not a Panasonic camera...
You might want to explore SlimRAW for an alternative workflow. SlimRAW will take an uncompressed DNG sequence and allow one to convert into a Compressed sequence with up to 12:1 compression. The reason no one can do this in camera is because of RED's Redcode patent which doesn't allow compression of ANY mosaic based RAW format in camera with out RED being involved.
it makes me hope red goes out of business.. so we can all have compressed raw.. or maybe someone acquire them in the future.. a man can dream
@@TylerMcCool The patent will expire in, I believe, 2028; however, that is still a long way off, and honestly I think the patent should never have been issued in the first place, because all they did was extend what had already been happening with stills cameras and applied a frame rate minimum to it. This is why most still cameras can't acquire compressed raw frame sequences beyond 1 or 2 seconds at speeds above around 24fps. It's not that they couldn't, but they can't due to this patent, even though this was obviously going to happen with all cameras, and thus predictable which, again, should have made the patent invalid.
@@billyoung9538 agreed about the validity of the patent.. Even more disappointing was the Patent Office's denial to even bring it to court from Apple's challenge to the validity of the patent (this was about 2 years ago I think).