Vivek Ramaswamy Has a Different Vision for Trumpism From JD Vance

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  • @shaunarmstrong8594
    @shaunarmstrong8594 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1563

    Regardless of whether you agree with Vivek or not, how often do you see aspiring political leaders operating at this intellectual level?

    • @RaymondHulha
      @RaymondHulha 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      This

    • @jonoaks9834
      @jonoaks9834 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +84

      I don’t really care about how much someone tries to intellectualize their agenda if their agenda has insane consequences regardless of the justification

    • @humanperson8418
      @humanperson8418 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +97

      @@jonoaks9834 Do you want to have an intellectual discussion about why you disagree are just descend into insults?

    • @jonoaks9834
      @jonoaks9834 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      @@humanperson8418 We could, but that’s not what the comment I replied to is about. They implied that everyone has to admire intellectualism no matter what it’s being used to justify. I gave an argument against that.

    • @shantmelkonian4548
      @shantmelkonian4548 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@jonoaks9834who’s really the radical here

  • @an-opinion
    @an-opinion 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +554

    Vivek is insanely intelligent, articulate and grounded. If he ever finds success, it’ll will be his own and no one gave him a “opportunity” like Vance/Kamala/Biden. He represents us in our more vulnerable situations. Hopefully we succeed.

    • @GMunoz-oj5zb
      @GMunoz-oj5zb 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's another maga cultist just like you

    • @KumalaADumBSloot
      @KumalaADumBSloot 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      ​@@GMunoz-oj5zb no hes a self made billionaire that started his own companies and never joined anyones anything.

    • @pva527
      @pva527 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      Yup.. He has the founding father “gene”. Entire thought process is about America’s founding ideals and reviving them.

    • @lawumun
      @lawumun 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pva527 yet don’t you see the IRONY there???….why is THIS brown skinned man allowed….and others facing deportation???….they said documented OR undocumented…no one is safe….founding fathers🤦🏼‍♀️…hahaha

    • @FazeParticles
      @FazeParticles 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pva527yup. Very attractive and exciting to listen to.

  • @charlescurtis6321
    @charlescurtis6321 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +665

    Referring to illegal immigration as penetration without “consent” is genius

    • @Tripod101-p9y
      @Tripod101-p9y 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What an unironically poetic way of describing rape of your motherland

    • @FazeParticles
      @FazeParticles 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Fantastic word play.

    • @MindbodyMedic
      @MindbodyMedic 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's societal rape on many levels.

    • @bobpurcell8357
      @bobpurcell8357 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Should help the Republicans get comfortable with it 😏 We were all thinkin' it, I just said it...

    • @mojojojo01.
      @mojojojo01. 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      it's not illegal immigration, it's illegal migration. immigration implies legality.

  • @AgentBitcoin
    @AgentBitcoin 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +628

    As a lifelong democrat voter, I have to admit Vivek comes off as a refreshingly thoughtful and principled voice among the conservative movement, and seems to be driven by genuine and honest intentions to help shape the future of the country for the better. I appreciate that he engages in good-faith with people and communities that disagree with him in order to promote respectful and nuanced conversations that frankly aren't happening enough. I would like to see more content like this.

    • @FullmetalSP1
      @FullmetalSP1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      “Democrat voter” - Sure you are, Chief.

    • @AgentBitcoin
      @AgentBitcoin 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      @@FullmetalSP1 lol not sure what you want from me here, but you are welcome to believe whatever your small, closed-mind wants to believe my friend.

    • @FullmetalSP1
      @FullmetalSP1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@AgentBitcoin What are you angry about? Clearly you have always voted for the Democrat Party.

    • @AgentBitcoin
      @AgentBitcoin 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      @@FullmetalSP1 I’m neither mad nor remotely concerned with what you believe about my voting history. I am curious about what part of what I said triggered you so much, but I don’t think I’d get an honest or intelligent answer from you, so I’m just gonna let you go on your way and enjoy your life.

    • @FullmetalSP1
      @FullmetalSP1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @ Amazing. Thank You! Be sure to comment on more posts about your support for the Democrat Party.

  • @dumpsterlures
    @dumpsterlures 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +792

    Vivek is more "American" than I am... and I'm a white guy from Indiana lol.
    He is everything America should want as a president.
    We Americans need to look at these candidates like they're applying for a job....and you are in charge of hiring them to run your business (U.S.A.).
    Imagine out of the all the people "applying" for prez in 2024, you didn't hire Vivek.............
    I really hope I get to vote for him in 2028.

    • @BabuParthasarathy
      @BabuParthasarathy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Nobody has ever described the job of a voter the way you did. Voters are recruiters recruiting a candidate for a 40 T USD firm. The stakes are really high to captain this huge ship. It competency that matters. Every trait be it integrity or intelligence is competency to me and if the person be able to steer the ship. If I were owning stocks of this company Trust me I would nt leave it to zombie who has problems with spatial awareness

    • @hobojungle1
      @hobojungle1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Amen.

    • @realestatecoachestv
      @realestatecoachestv 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      You’re an European American! Being white doesn’t make you American,being an Indian American is the original American

    • @kelvintran7369
      @kelvintran7369 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agree

    • @FAMEROB
      @FAMEROB 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@realestatecoachestv being born in America makes you American

  • @sams00007
    @sams00007 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +104

    Seriously love Vivek for his energy, integrity, intelligence and his honesty!!

  • @ravishingravi
    @ravishingravi 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +864

    Partisan comments here don't do justice to what we witnessed here. Respectful and rigorous testing of ideas with two people who have deeply read and thought their world view. This is not a left vs right. This was a search to find the answers "together" while not being wholly onboard. Unfortunately this kind of discussion is not catering mass of zombies engaged in tribalism and virtue signalling.
    I really appreciate that we see some quality discourse such as this that doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator

    • @Klasenss
      @Klasenss 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      Totally agree. I think Vivek was a little esoteric at times, but this is the kind of conversation I want to listen to.
      Whatever partisan lean one has, it's a mistake to assume the other 50% of people are dumb and misinformed.

    • @Argozolin
      @Argozolin 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      What exactly are Vivek's ideas? Can you describe them for me?
      And (if not to save political face) why is he engaged in so many Trump apologetics?

    • @ogamikedirects
      @ogamikedirects 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@Argozolinwhole video is about that. To use phrases:
      - America first (so pretty nationalist at heart with a strong emphasis on American interest, but definitely not a nativist obviously or he’d be arguing against his own parents lol)
      - Anti Interventionist (more pro strategic alliance and not quite isolationist but one could argue he often comes off as naive on foreign policy)
      - Anti illegal immigration
      - Extremely anti bureaucracy
      - Very capitalist (anti crony capitalism)
      - Coming around to Trump’s policy on Tariffs, especially when it comes to using tariffs as leverage in negotiations with other countries
      Im probably missing something but that’s the core of what I’m gathering

    • @nathancole6959
      @nathancole6959 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@Argozolinthat is a question I often wonder myself. Ezra touched on it at one point in the conversation where he said that it feels like Vivek and others “ideologize” Trumpism. I think the intelligent people like Vance and Ramaswamy understand that Trump isn’t a man of ideas, that he’s more of a symbol. They know they have to back him in order to gain political traction. Once Trump is gone, I hope we’ll return to civility and intelligent exploration of ideas like we see here-not the demagoguery that’s poisoned our politics over the last decade.

    • @lionsprofit
      @lionsprofit 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You get the best sum up comment cake

  • @tinh_lai_ivietnam5253
    @tinh_lai_ivietnam5253 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +164

    Even Democrat has to respect Vivek Ramaswamy. He comes very straight forward and 100% for the future of The USA. I am grateful to be alive at this time of the history of The USA. Politician likes Vivek Ramaswamy is rare for century. The USA needs to put aside the differences to promote a candidate for the benefit of the country. Vivek Ramaswamy has a pure heart. American needs to push hi to the front line for the big job next term. I am sure even Democrat has to love him some way.

    • @sabinereynaudsf
      @sabinereynaudsf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He is a corporatists. He wants to only admit immigrants who speak English, which will favor Indians.

    • @tinh_lai_ivietnam5253
      @tinh_lai_ivietnam5253 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@sabinereynaudsf Your narrow mind doesn't see European, especially Eastern European, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singaporean speak English much better than Indian. If he wants to cut cost and reduce society problems due to language barrier, that is not a bad thing at all.

    • @whodat9198
      @whodat9198 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@tinh_lai_ivietnam5253 you preach it my Viet sister!! Don't listen to that white female leftist, they are always the most deluded and crazy of all of them. Peace!!

    • @squal6216
      @squal6216 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      he wanted to raise the voting age to 25 without taking a test - no thanks

    • @SputnikCrisis
      @SputnikCrisis 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He is literally the definition of pulling up the ladder behind him. No respect for someone so selfish and greedy, someone who would leave America a wasteland as long as he and his friends get richer.

  • @EdgeLoopGaming
    @EdgeLoopGaming 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +381

    Vivek is brilliant, and it was interesting to see him challenged here. I think he did a great job defending his views, and Ezra did a great job challenging him.

    • @quippurb
      @quippurb 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I thought his policies looked pretty bad as soon as he was asked about specifics. Ezra's point about gutting the government ("75% at least to the headcount on day one") just means there's no one to actually process any of the millions of requests and approvals that are required to keep the country functioning, stumped him.
      The reality is that an insane amount of private companies would now be gridlocked. Vivek described this "not a thing is going to change for the worse," and described a weak plan to include constitutional lawyers in each agency that would decide which regulations should stay and go? This would take literally years. So unless he's just talking with complete bluster and exaggeration about a 75% reduction in head count on day one, he will have caused years of business stagnation.

    • @mangeshjoshi5447
      @mangeshjoshi5447 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​ @quippurb //This would take literally years. So unless he's just talking with complete bluster and exaggeration about a 75% reduction in head count on day one...// It is clear to me that you don't understand the difference between rescinding unconstitutional regulations (which may "take years") and a headcount reduction on day one. Vivek made a clear distinction, not just in this video but also in the past when talking about these issues.

    • @quippurb
      @quippurb 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mangeshjoshi5447 Happy to hear your explanation for how he would rescind these rules and regulations while firing 75% of the Government workers who know how they work and process them on the other side.

    • @mangeshjoshi5447
      @mangeshjoshi5447 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @quippurb Firing 75 percent of the bureaucrats has nothing to do with rescinding the regulations that congress did not pass. One is not contingent on the other. The regulations remain irrespective of the headcount. Then the individual regulations themselves can be judged, case by case, to see if each meets the test of the Constitution. The unconstitutional ones can be rescinded without the Congress, because those were never passed by the congress. That's the explanation.

    • @vvee4725
      @vvee4725 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@quippurb Every government organization has itself its own self-interest. It is NOT some independent ideal that some imagine it to be. It made of PEOPLE that are biased, have industry connections, have their own shortcomings, etc.
      Real reform does not take years, it is very quick. This is the case for all historic organizational/governmental reforms. If that's not happening you're not really reforming.

  • @SyringeSem
    @SyringeSem 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +894

    Imagine if all presidential candidates were capable of discussions like this.

    • @literalmountgod
      @literalmountgod 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      Vivek is the future of the republican party. Vivek 2028!

    • @Jablicek
      @Jablicek 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Once upon a time they were; it meant they not only had ideas they'd thought through, but were able to communicate those ideas in a persuasive manner.

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@literalmountgod Do you think MAGA would accept someone with his ethnic and religious background?

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Jablicek And then Trump discovered that no one really cares about policy. They just want to feel like they have an attack dog on their side

    • @raptor10001
      @raptor10001 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Bertinator-nm9ldthe current “MAGA” demographics seem to suggest they do

  • @lukecresante
    @lukecresante 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +124

    I think Ezra is helping get the most out of Vivek here. Vivek is fantastic on his own but this is the sort of contrast I have not heard from him yet.

    • @davidanderson6055
      @davidanderson6055 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Ezra is giving some good challenges. Halfway through and its a great convo

    • @julianholman7379
      @julianholman7379 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      nicely observed

  • @uttscharlesbagley501
    @uttscharlesbagley501 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +190

    I have never voted for a Republican in my 76 years but I can really relate to Vivek: he is everything that Trump is not: personable, self made businessman, brilliant thoughtful deep thinking and strong personal values.

    • @jasperwinter8993
      @jasperwinter8993 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Trump is those things.. you just hate him

    • @silverfox389
      @silverfox389 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@jasperwinter8993 ?

    • @shouryarathore7434
      @shouryarathore7434 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jasperwinter8993 trump was handed 400 million dollars worth of a business on a silver platter from his daddy. He is not a self made businessman.
      Whatever happened to Trump's casinos? Or Trump University? Or Trump Vodka? Or Trump Mortgage?
      Most of the business he himself started ended up failing.
      A business genius, he is NOT!
      The man started out with inherited wealth and still managed to go bankrupt 6 times.

    • @xarbinchaoticneutral1785
      @xarbinchaoticneutral1785 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@jasperwinter8993 what deep ideologies has Trump ever espoused? Can you link any video where Trump espouses deep ideological values? Please link. Also how is Trump self made? I was given money and connections for his business in real-estate, which is notorious for its reliance on established connections. Listen you can like Trump but you can like him despite not being self made or eloquent. He was elected due to his boisterousness

    • @shouryarathore7434
      @shouryarathore7434 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jasperwinter8993 trump is not a self made businessman,he was handed 400 million dollars by his rich daddy.

  • @jigarp999
    @jigarp999 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    Brilliant conversation. The beauty of it was that both parties were genuinely interested in having a conversation and understanding each other’s view rather than looking for an opportunity to create a “gotcha” moment. Kudos!

  • @jigarp999
    @jigarp999 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +135

    The fact that this video has less than 3k likes at 10 day mark proves that most people are not interested in intellectual conversation but just memes and 5 seconds clips.

    • @fizzbrew
      @fizzbrew 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      People are muppets

    • @charlesco7413
      @charlesco7413 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's perhaps because this is the New York Times (liberal leaning), and most views are here for Vivek. So the libs don't hit like because of Vivek. And the MAGA don't hit like because of the Times.

    • @india3572
      @india3572 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Peoples are interested to listen white skin politicians 😂

    • @Morgan-ed7js
      @Morgan-ed7js 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You’re using legacy media as your one and only sample. New media is where you’ll find the big numbers

    • @HarryPainter
      @HarryPainter 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      NYT podcasts get no views in general actually

  • @PetePineda
    @PetePineda 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    Wow. Such a great interview. I’m so glad I saw it. The back and forth. Probing and answering. All respectful. We need more of that

    • @humanperson8418
      @humanperson8418 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I do love the peaceful, 'cross the isle' interviews.

  • @gopalramanathan7062
    @gopalramanathan7062 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Easily one of most absorbing and brilliant conversations. Vivek is bound to impact America historically.

  • @miguelsramon4702
    @miguelsramon4702 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +201

    Here are my two cents as an independent, Vivek is too good and superior to be somone's running mate, i have studied all the conservative leaders to today and nobody stacks up to Vivek Ramaswamy, there are some good ones including Vance but they are good in regular and ordinary way, whereas Vivek is good in an insanely extraordinary way , He is simply a super gifted and special breed of intelligence , I would suggest conservatives to push him as the Nominee in 2028, dont make this a missed opportunity

    • @ashwinpawar5325
      @ashwinpawar5325 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      He won't make it next time as well. Vance will be the front runner. He ll have Trump's endorsement probably so the Maga base will jus vote for him. Also Christian faith is very imp for conservatives. Vivek is hindu so that ll turn off a lot of voters just like it did this time

    • @aesop1451
      @aesop1451 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Okay "Miguel Ramon." We know why you want Vivek to be President.

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I agree.

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@ashwinpawar5325 He's monotheistic Hindu, though, which helps a bit.

    • @IndoManiac90
      @IndoManiac90 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ashwinpawar5325 yeah true, Vivek is vastly superior to Vance in every way, but since JD is white and Christian they will be very biased towards him

  • @ottofrinta7115
    @ottofrinta7115 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +89

    I've been following Vivek for some time and the tragic thing is this:
    This man is everything that the Republican party should be, but is not. In sense of following the original ideology of the founding fathers this brown guy with Indian roots is more American than almost any American. He is an intellectual, a polyglot, jsut liek they were, but those days are long and irreversibly gone. The more popular, populist, simplistic messaging will win.

    • @quitefranklysamanthatheres1018
      @quitefranklysamanthatheres1018 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think of alot of maga voters are - but the party isn’t as fast as we are to these principles- this is more where the voting base is more or less. At least the more libertarian ones

    • @FimiliarGalaxy9
      @FimiliarGalaxy9 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If he’s a leading man within the party, how is he not reflective of the party?

  • @andyrosa1470
    @andyrosa1470 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +275

    Brilliant work from Ezra and his team. Came prepared, framed the conversation perfectly, made space and took space strategically. Masterclass in how to interview someone you disagree with.

    • @kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386
      @kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If your goal is to win arguments you can convince yourself of a win no matter what happens. The left has lost its way.

    • @justgivemethetruth
      @justgivemethetruth 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      But you have to listen carefully for about an hour and a half to get that - and how many people actually do that, or are even capable of doing that?

    • @aminb9204
      @aminb9204 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@justgivemethetruth I think Ezra Klein Show listeners are. :)

    • @andyrosa1470
      @andyrosa1470 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@justgivemethetruth Ezra sons Vivek in the first 20 min. But I think I understand your point, but what can I say? Our internet maligned attention spans are too short to engage with meaningful dialogue? Maybe for some, hell maybe many or even most, but not for me.

    • @vinista256
      @vinista256 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@andyrosa1470 can you translate that into English, please?

  • @IndoManiac90
    @IndoManiac90 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +312

    Vivek is vastly superior to both JD Vance and Trump

    • @farzana6676
      @farzana6676 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      He's very smart, but his position on immigration is not as strong as it should be.

    • @anuj_s_world
      @anuj_s_world 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There are many people like Anna Coulter who won't vote for him because his parents are Indian. He probably would have won if he ran as a democrat.

    • @christhetanman2639
      @christhetanman2639 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      I think it’s tough for a libertarian to be strong on immigration because open borders are a big part of libertarian thinking.
      However, our economy is already so socialistic that it makes unchecked immigration disastrous.
      If the U.S. was still a Wild West of sink or swim all on your own, immigration wouldn’t matter so much. But because of things like public schooling, public housing, and emergency rooms being used in place of having a primary care doctor; that kind of libertarian ideal just isn’t feasible.

    • @SK-om6tt
      @SK-om6tt 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      He certainly is. Altho, imv, he needs to drop the idea of touching the entitlement state. He won’t win an election, if he doesn’t. Gotta be pragmatic.

    • @prospectbasement6723
      @prospectbasement6723 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      To me, Vivek is the perfect candidate for a much needed Republican/Conservative rebranding. I wanted Vivek as Trump's VP, but after watching more of Vance, I think he's an excellent pick. I like them both: sharp, patient, cool headed, young - these are all qualities that the left have criticized the right for not projecting. I think moderates, independents, disenfranchised democrats can all look at this modern conservative movement as good things.

  • @juvwon
    @juvwon 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    A few people do not really seem to understand, how well Vivek did in this wonderful podcast, the host is a very very intelligent methodical and prepped guy, I have heard in a while.
    Him amd his team did sn excellent job in researching and niting doen questions, with follow up yp questions and follow up questions, which tested the conviction and broad thought of Vivek, to see if his policies and views, are just something he read or copied of someone.
    It was a superb and teachable moment, how each person doubled down on their thoughts and convictions.
    It was an enjoyable watch, mind and thought expanding, it went deeper into the pros and possible cons, of Viveks policies.
    It was 👌

    • @danielromerosol4158
      @danielromerosol4158 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He is a conman and liar. Why does anybody take his libertarian ideas seriously is beyond me. He is only working for his rich patrons. Another demagog, nothing new.

  • @thomasaquinas399
    @thomasaquinas399 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Loved this interview. Thank you for keeping Vivek honest and forcing him to clearly state his opinion because sometimes he tends to talk around a topic and not directly answer the question. I learned more about him as a result of listening to this interview.

    • @brownjatt21
      @brownjatt21 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Think you need to watch more interviews from him. He goes to into incredible detail on anything asked as long as there's enough time for it, definitely doesn't dance around questions. He could have easily given longer answers if the interview was an hour longer.

    • @thomasaquinas399
      @thomasaquinas399 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@brownjatt21 I've watched plenty of interviews of his. I'm a fan. It wasn't a matter of a longer answer, it was a matter of him directly answering the question.

    • @alexchin3816
      @alexchin3816 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think its more that its hard to give a short direct answer because politics is all soundbites and his messages can be taken out of context if the answer isn’t fully explained

  • @andrewrai5752
    @andrewrai5752 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    One of the greatest minds of our century

    • @wokefurby2497
      @wokefurby2497 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I know, Ezra Klein is insanely smart. Vivek on the other hand is intelligent but delusional and just really good at bending counterfactuals to somehow still fit his worldview.

  • @ace625
    @ace625 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +268

    It seems to me that the majority of MAGA is not sold on Vivek's idea that American identity is about adherence to ideals and not heritage, race or religion. And when confronted with this, as in the instance with Coulter, he rationalizes her obvious bigotry. I like Vivek's intellectual approach to politics but this is some classic Greek tragedy stuff. If he ever steps a foot wrong, MAGA will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

    • @prasvasu4217
      @prasvasu4217 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      On point!

    • @michael_stefanko
      @michael_stefanko 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      Agreed.
      Smart and informed guy, but entirely unrepresentative of the movement he claims to be apart of.

    • @msvulcanspock
      @msvulcanspock 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vivek has brown skin. He has immigrant parents. These are the people Trump is talking about deporting. MAGAs definitely don't see Vivek as part of their movement. He is the other they despite. He's taking their jobs and riches.

    • @Mr.MBarrett
      @Mr.MBarrett 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      🎯🎯

    • @ssuwandi3240
      @ssuwandi3240 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He's right esp on the tech side. Great companies like Tesla, eBay, PayPal were pioneered by immigrants who had no more privileges like the Leftist reporters pushed out l Government subsidies l. Elon had the company listed on ONE prototype alone. No lavish ads or factory and for years some would remember he lived poor for over a decade. I know because I bought TSLA IPO because I saw a rare entrepreneurship for a guy like him. I was prepared to lose it btw. Money or race isn't always the driver,I think that's Viviek's points

  • @webb4Brevard
    @webb4Brevard 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Trump's Dream Team member Vivek is fabulously articulate, with such a deep understanding of how to solve problems.

  • @vibez1095
    @vibez1095 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    I admire Vivek and I truly hope he runs and becomes president in 2028. I do believe he has the capability and ability to do so.

  • @TheRealUncensoredTravelGuide
    @TheRealUncensoredTravelGuide 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Great conversation. Peaceful and relaxing. As an Independent, people don't always understand how i can take nuggets from each party and wish they could work together.

  • @commodore64955
    @commodore64955 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    Good luck to any presidential candidate who will dare to debate Vivek for 2028. Vivek has my vote regardless of his party affiliation

    • @Yourmamaspapa
      @Yourmamaspapa 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He win or loose , certainly eat the opponent political career, ate Nikki Haley, part of Ron desantis

    • @Me04120
      @Me04120 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He actually didn't do too well in the debates. He came off as brash and arrogant. I was telling my parents about how I liked Vivek, but then tuned into the debate and were turned off by him. He doesn't connect to boomers the same way he does to young people. I think he's much stronger in these long form conversations and podcasts than any kind of debate where you get like 1 minute to make a point.

    • @hughjass2745
      @hughjass2745 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Me04120he's still relatively young, he'll learn. But at the same time his style is more authentic than any career politician giving vague or irrelevant answers to questions.

    • @Me04120
      @Me04120 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hughjass2745 We'll have to see how he does with DOGE working with Elon. If it's a huge success, maybe he can run for office again. Otherwise it's not terrible if he's just appointed to lead important areas of the government and can make decisions that way without having to worry about playing politics the whole time. I just want him involved in whatever manner allows him to make the biggest difference.

  • @SK-om6tt
    @SK-om6tt 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    As someone who doesn’t agree with all of his views, I must admit that Vivek is really impressive. It is disgusting that there are ppl like Coulter in this country.
    Unfortunately for Vivek, the populace of this nation isn’t interested in serious people.

  • @vinista256
    @vinista256 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +334

    I wonder whether Trump himself could pass the civics exam Vivek speaks of.

    • @rotryguy1
      @rotryguy1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      MAN
      WOMAN
      PERSON
      CAMERA
      TV
      MORON
      "" I'm a very stable genius "" Donald Trump

    • @London755
      @London755 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      Oh come on. 1000% no.

    • @first6969
      @first6969 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Would You Have Any Issue If Trump Passes With Distinction..
      Or You Trump To Be Class Topper...?

    • @andrewamos3880
      @andrewamos3880 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Good chance he would score higher than most of us lol

    • @rotryguy1
      @rotryguy1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @andrewamos3880 You just flunked the first question on the test. #1 question. Can Donald Trump pass this test.

  • @enesbala5195
    @enesbala5195 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    This was a great interview - really enjoyable. Vivek is a very interesting person.

  • @luvlivefoods
    @luvlivefoods 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +167

    Can u imagine Ezra having this discussion with Kamala Harris?

    • @manuskumar3379
      @manuskumar3379 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      Stop making me laugh

    • @batman4329
      @batman4329 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Her answers would go something like this:
      I was raised in a middle class household (in Montreal).
      But Trump …
      I was raised in a middle class household (in Montreal).
      But Trump …

    • @onlineaccount4549
      @onlineaccount4549 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Easliy. At least Harris will make sense, instead of claiming that you can filter immigrants and teach americans better civics by having them sit a test when they come in the country and when they leave school.

    • @onlineaccount4549
      @onlineaccount4549 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@batman4329 Her answers would be: A sensible immigration policy is one that allows employers to get the labour they need, building a robust system of processing claims so they can be turned over rapidly, build up sufficient surveillance close to the border to rapidly pick illegal immigrants and work with Latin American countries to relocate them. We know because its a stated policy position.
      The right trade policy is to match chinese subsidies in strategically important sectors to make sure they don't undercut american workers and simply make them available to anyone who wants invest in these sectors so they don't distort the market, instead of protectionist tariffs that either promote trade diversion through third parties or distort the market completely by shielding american companies from competition and create opportunities for crony capitalism. Again we know because it is literally in her policy documents that you clearly never read.
      The fact that people prefer his word Salad compared to the concrete policy goals from the Harris side, is the reason why you have idiot policitians. Idiot, uninformed voters beget idiot uninformed policitians.

    • @iaf010
      @iaf010 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@onlineaccount4549 Easily? Hardly.
      And what didnt make sense?
      Filtering immigrants is something all successful G7 countries have done - Australia, NZ, pre 2010 Canada, etc. They filter immigrants, means test them and if required even certify their language skills like Germany does. Countries like Denmark, Nederlands even have classroom "culture" classes they need to pass in order to apply for legal right to remain in those countries. The claim that it is not possible to filter inmigrants into the USA is blatantly False.
      Civics and/or the common interpretation of a national ideology then becomes even more important for native born Americans who live in an immigrant nation founded on ideological principles rather than blood ties, common ethnicity or religious affiliation. What is DEI based pedagogy but an attempt to impose a unified national ideology on native born American citizens?

  • @huyngo1466
    @huyngo1466 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great conversation, love that they’re both not assuming the worst of each other motivations

    • @Kbiz178
      @Kbiz178 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's how a freedom supposed to be - the risk of me being wrong so I may become right again . However modern left and even Right are becoming Doctrine centric. That's death .

  • @derekposh
    @derekposh 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I love how he let Vivek end on that powerful, well-conceptualized note. Bautiful interview, great interviewer with stern pushback and counter arguements.❤

  • @KC-dm4jj
    @KC-dm4jj 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +244

    Vivek is an intellectual juggernaut.. a once in a generation candidate... Vivek for 2028!!

    • @prometheusrex1
      @prometheusrex1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Yes!!

    • @selliott7043
      @selliott7043 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      An intellectual juggernaut that delivers a spagettified word salad justification of a fundamentally racist Trumpian mind-set; this man is prepared to tie himself in knots in distancing himself and distinguishing himself from those that look like himself. Oh, God; the price this man is prepared to pay in order to look himself in the mirror! If citizenship depends on one's knowledge of the constitution, Trump would be the first on the boat!

    • @പ്രവാചകൻalഅമിൻ
      @പ്രവാചകൻalഅമിൻ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Yes

    • @ayushsunilshukla
      @ayushsunilshukla 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yes

    • @AdityaDixit-g2f
      @AdityaDixit-g2f 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      yes !!

  • @ChínhChị-ChínhM-s9e
    @ChínhChị-ChínhM-s9e 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Beautiful brains in display. America is so blessed.

  • @mikkoturpeinen5774
    @mikkoturpeinen5774 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    Wow that was a thriller! I haven’t heared this substantive and nuanced political conversation in a long time.

  • @MattyV001
    @MattyV001 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +297

    So let’s ignore what Trump says he’s gonna do and just trust that he will always do the right thing?? That’s a pretty convenient argument.

    • @silvereaper1
      @silvereaper1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      You are naive and no nothing of operating in an environment of incomplete information. Negotiation is a thing. You are very stupid. Please adjust the way you live you life to accommodate this fact.

    • @justgivemethetruth
      @justgivemethetruth 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      VR just totally disgusts me.

    • @Pickwilliams
      @Pickwilliams 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      @@silvereaper1 "no nothing"

    • @MSA-uj7cp
      @MSA-uj7cp 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You are racist for saying that.

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      ​@@silvereaper1So what are we supposed to do in situations of incomplete information? Should we just trust that the "dear leader" will know what's best for us and have our best interests in his heart?
      I don't know what Trump ever did to convince you guys that he's a fundamentally trustworthy person. How did you come to believe that?

  • @uneyedentified2017
    @uneyedentified2017 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    We need more Vivek RAMASWAMY likes in the Republican party. This is the future of our party

    • @briandelaney9710
      @briandelaney9710 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      God help you

    • @Digger-Nick
      @Digger-Nick 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's the future.
      Republicans have insanely strong leadership this time around

    • @user-gl8fb8nc9c
      @user-gl8fb8nc9c 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He wants to cut Medicare. I understand reorganizing social security and cutting welfare but Medicare is too far.

  • @evanwilliams4532
    @evanwilliams4532 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +99

    I'm 100% voting Vivek in 2028

    • @prometheusrex1
      @prometheusrex1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Same

    • @msvulcanspock
      @msvulcanspock 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If Vivek hasn't been deported as described in Project 2025.

    • @commonman5528
      @commonman5528 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@msvulcanspockracist

    • @GMunoz-oj5zb
      @GMunoz-oj5zb 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And most of the country wont

    • @aesop1451
      @aesop1451 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@msvulcanspock Uh hello, based department?

  • @martimmcosta6429
    @martimmcosta6429 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Ramaswamy is the great example of an extremely smart and interesting person with clear and articulated arguments that make sense and that I can respect. I just fundamentally disagree with his world view and his vision for society.
    A great podcast Ezra, thanks.

  • @deigovideos1031
    @deigovideos1031 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +200

    Inb4 Vivek does something to piss off Trump, has his career ruined, and this podcast becomes pointless

    • @TannilleBrown
      @TannilleBrown 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I guess but Trump is pretty pro Medicare and has a different opinion than Vivek. Actually most conservatives disagree with Trumps Medicare stance.

    • @kappadarwin9476
      @kappadarwin9476 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He already did, when he used Trump's branding for T-shirts without permission.

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      ​@@TannilleBrownDoesn't matter whether or not people agree with you. It only matters whether or not you personally piss Trump off

    • @vsx862
      @vsx862 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@kappadarwin9476when? Link?

    • @101retardnation
      @101retardnation 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@kappadarwin9476 and yet they're doing Madison Square Garden together

  • @WattersWaveYo
    @WattersWaveYo 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +124

    Vivek stating that credit card companies having to be more transparent with their fees inhibits them from being able to conduct business is so revealing.
    He would never reign in corporations deceptive marketing practices or enhance consumer protections.

    • @Saunajallu
      @Saunajallu 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Tbf the credit card example was not his. He gave his rationale and pivoted industries which I inferred as a sort of admittance that credit cards is maybe not the most suitable fit for his general argument.

    • @alexdflop
      @alexdflop 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      He makes a structurally similar argument at ~14:00 about Trump’s economic policy - that any assessment we make of the policies he’s floated as a candidate aren’t valid, because misdirection is central to his goal of gaining leverage in negotiations with other countries. It almost makes sense, too, until he says that the metric on which we CAN ascertain his goals is “Trump’s performance in his first term.”
      This idea of obscure motives being in the interest of anyone other than the person obscuring said motives…it just reminds me of a cryptography principle I came across once, which states that if your cryptogram relies at all upon a would-be codebreaker’s lack of knowledge about the mechanism, then it will definitely be broken.

    • @vinista256
      @vinista256 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@WattersWaveYo 1. I agree with you 💯%.
      2. The word you want is “rein”. (I only point this out so you can fix it before someone exploits it in a bad-faith effort to find fault with your main point-I’ll be happy to delete my comment afterward.)

    • @apoorvswarup
      @apoorvswarup 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Lol youd have more competition is what he said, if one of these competitors willingly offered to disclose the rates they would have credible differentiation in the market and would eat up market share of the incumbents

    • @yasmineyusuf2890
      @yasmineyusuf2890 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@apoorvswarupFalse. The Conservative Party claims to for the free market capitalism but are opposed to competition. That’s hypocritical.

  • @fndrr42
    @fndrr42 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Vivek is such a breath of fresh air

  • @ytjoemoore94
    @ytjoemoore94 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Kudos for giving Vivek space to express his ideas. It was actually really helpful. I think I came away with a better opinion of him then his party

  • @anankalikote
    @anankalikote 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    As an independent I’m so happy that trump is surrounded by gold and diamonds like Vivek,JD, tulsi,Elon, future of republic party is looking bright and I’m about to enjoy the ride.

  • @MyNameIsJ3ffrey
    @MyNameIsJ3ffrey 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    31:35 - this precisely encapsulates what the VAST majority of proponents of right wing populist in America feel. We want people who have a shared interest in the American ethos. A Hong Konger who loves freedom and is willing to stand up to the CCP embodies that ethos.
    The Left thinks its just about "keeping America White." Its not. It's about ensuring that those who come here are willing to foster the philosophy of freedom that made our country great.
    I think an Asian Hong Konger is probably a better cultural candidate to immigrate to America than a Russian, who may be wealthy, but doesn't exhibit any sort of shared affinity for things like democracy/freedom of speech/ etc.

    • @grigoriipodoksik9296
      @grigoriipodoksik9296 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Respectfully, why do you believe that Russians coming to America tend to not embody these values? I know many Russians here; the absolute majority of them realize that the reasons they had to leave ultimately stems from autocracy and corruption, and, especially in the later years, lack of freedom of speech. And I am yet to encounter a person who moved to America of any ethnicity who does not prefer democracy.
      The problem with Vivek's argument is alleging that there are some ethnicities, or even significant numbers of people, who come to America and do not value democracy, freedom of speech or economic meritocracy. It's not that such people don't exist, but there are places that are much easier to move and don't build their entire appeal on it. Moving to America is much harder (both bureaucratically and financially) than to most other developed countries; people who do it are usually very meritocratically minded, very supportive of all sorts of freedoms, democracy and capitalism because outside of America. Somebody who does not care too much about freedom of speech could go to UAE or Qatar; somebody who is leaning left economically would much more easily move to Western Europe over the U.S., etc.
      The further complexity of this view of immigration that Ezra was trying to get Vivek to open out about is that when it gets to implementing this, what these values are will ultimately be chosen by politicians who, at best, represent somewhere close to half of the U.S. and are extremely far from the other near-half in their vision of what makes America American. The current system selects people based on a wide range of factors: wealth, skills, language (to an extent), a list is long, but not on values. I'd really hope that the elected politicians do not bring their worldview into this and rather it balance out somewhere in the middle.
      Regardless, it's very refreshing to listen/participate in a civil debate about a controversial idea. Thanks to the reporter and the guest for providing this opportunity

  • @mirandapillsbury7885
    @mirandapillsbury7885 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    This was a beautiful and satisfying conversation. The push and pull was not partisan it was out of genuine curiosity to understand the opposing point of view

  • @hollywoodzero2915
    @hollywoodzero2915 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    @1:09:00 Vivek is either naive or lying. She is not voting for him because of the color of his skin. Period. She admits he's smart, likes his policies, but he's the wrong color.

  • @amadeomoable
    @amadeomoable 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Vivek is Brilliant and Truthful

  • @Joey-k1u
    @Joey-k1u 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    To my mind Vivek is obviously trying to help Americans get their constitution & country back. We need more Americans like this.

  • @ashwinpawar5325
    @ashwinpawar5325 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    Vivek is the man who's going to transform the Republican Party from conservatism to libertarian. And i am here for it!

    • @vinista256
      @vinista256 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@ashwinpawar5325 everyone who longs for a return to the law of the jungle is convinced that they’re going to be a tiger. Good luck with that.

    • @humanperson8418
      @humanperson8418 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@vinista256 You're thinking of Anarchy, not free market libertarianism.

    • @vinista256
      @vinista256 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@humanperson8418 explain the diff (in 30 words or less 🤭).

    • @pva527
      @pva527 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@vinista256 Go read a book on free market capitalism.
      If you have noticed the Fed's reckless Quantitative Easing coupled with Biden and Trump's reckless PPP loans and reckless stimulus is the reason for the high inflation we are in right now !

    • @spacefun101
      @spacefun101 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@vinista256there are two types of libertarians: minarchists and anarchists. Vivek is more of a minarchist, in that he thinks government is necessary, but should be as small as possible.

  • @coda-n6u
    @coda-n6u 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I don't agree with the man, but he is good at articulating his view. Thanks Ezra, the convos you've had with leaders of the new conservative movement have really helped me empathize with their perspectives.

    • @bulletsandbracelets4140
      @bulletsandbracelets4140 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is what worries me tbh. I wish interviews like this actually asked these people to go into the repercussions of the policies they are preaching. What does it look like, in practice, to have a government that prioritizes "America first" and tries to protect our "national identity"? Is that really a small government, or are you just changing out the programs that help people and pumping resources into propaganda, surveillance, and "education"? America's national identity is immigration. So I really struggle to see what identity they want to push that is dependent on limiting or removing immigration altogether.
      Normalizing this stuff, and letting it just be concepts without actually talking specifics, is a mistake I think. I don't empathize so much with them as the people they claim need to be removed from their vision of America.

    • @vinista256
      @vinista256 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@bulletsandbracelets4140 “America’s identity is immigration.” Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s always the new arrivals, falling in love with the freedom, opportunity, and possibilities of this country that rekindle that love in the people already here and keep the country forever young and vibrant. We are like a hunter’s stew or a wine made by the solera process-there’s always a little bit of the original ingredients, but you have to keep adding new stuff.

    • @MSA-uj7cp
      @MSA-uj7cp 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @bullets, so it looks like you didn’t listen to certain parts of this interview…. You say immigration is part of the identity of the country and Vivek says he is 100% pro immigration. So there is no problem there. In your small little leftie mind you’ll sometimes conflate illegal and legal immigration….. if that’s what you’re doing g, then that’s your problem not Viveks. If illegal immigration is ‘part of the national identity’ well that needs to change!!!!!!

    • @coda-n6u
      @coda-n6u 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bulletsandbracelets4140 I mean I really disagree with him, and think that the consequences of lots of his policy ideas would be disastrous. But he did articulate his view well. He has a pretty standard view of immigration held by lots of conservative Asian Americans IMO.

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I appreciate it, too!
      Most liberals really know almost nothing about right-wing beliefs, and usually opt for the easy "it's just pure *HATE!!*😱😱😱" line we keep seeing (yes, this has been studied--right-wingers understand left-wingers much better than left-wingers understand right-wingers), so it's nice to see people make an effort to at least understand what we believe and why.
      Cheers, mate! 😎👉🏻👉🏻
      Oh, also, some of your friends might hate you for trying to learn about right-wingers. Sorry. 😬

  • @milart12
    @milart12 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    I have mixed feelings about Vivek, but he certainly is well spoken

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      I hope he grows on you. (Not literally!)

    • @dad4378
      @dad4378 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@MeanBeanComedyyour profile makes this comment even funnier!

    • @ElonMuskDailyLife
      @ElonMuskDailyLife 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      the other choice is Gavin Newsome, Kamala, AOC and Biden

    • @Rover-h2u
      @Rover-h2u 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a free country your feeling is your liberty

    • @brownjatt21
      @brownjatt21 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MeanBeanComedypause

  • @mnd3607
    @mnd3607 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    There is no leader in democrats who can match the articulation, intellect and honest as vivek..

  • @dawnfmEnthusiast
    @dawnfmEnthusiast 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    These in person video conversations are so much better than audio only.

  • @paulacedillo-weerasinghe6018
    @paulacedillo-weerasinghe6018 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Vivek is brilliant!

  • @iXpress
    @iXpress 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Vivek is doing the heavy lifting for the Trump team, smart guy for answering

    • @Dustin277
      @Dustin277 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Plenty tell you you just ignore it or called it conspiracy theories remember

  • @Navin4061
    @Navin4061 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    The last segment really showcased who Vivek truly is, his character and what motivates him etc. The US is actually lucky to have a person like him with strong set of ideals and principles that is well articulated in the political space.

  • @gnoccifor8.2
    @gnoccifor8.2 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    The way Vivek personalized his friendship with JDV was special! What a good friend and confidant. They learn from each other. Inspiring!

    • @dparamful
      @dparamful 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      They're competitors. This is for show

    • @MeanBeanComedy
      @MeanBeanComedy 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dparamful Nah, they're boys. 😎👉🏻👉🏻

  • @hal0hal0mc
    @hal0hal0mc 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    What does it mean to be American? This is an example of it. Two people working through dialogue towards a greater understanding of each others' point of view. We will never agree with our fellow brothers and sisters 100% but America is not just a nation of diverse ethnicities and identities, but more importantly, of IDEAs. Props to Ezra and Vivek for having such a thoughtful discussion.
    As a politically homeless person who sometimes leans left and sometimes right, this is more of what this nation needs and what makes it great. The USA is a deeply flawed country and while I am ashamed of certain actions of our government and our people, I ultimately think this marketplace of ideas is precisely why America holds such power in spite of its tainted optics as of late... We cannot deny that the level of entrepreneurial ingenuity in the USA is alive and well, in spite of how troubled recent times have been in terms of national unity.

    • @DAWN001
      @DAWN001 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don’t think having a party affiliation is really that important. We are independent instead of homeless. Judging each politician by their policies and actions, not by their party affiliation, makes one think harder and become a wiser voter.

  • @ghi1
    @ghi1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Respect for Ezra Klein. He was here for some sincere discussion instead of throwing some got- you question and he is one of the best interviewers who is very well informed. Vivek can't escape him 😂.

    • @Barnabas94
      @Barnabas94 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah I also thought this was a good learning experience.

  • @microcolonel
    @microcolonel 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Genuinely shocking, and heartening, to hear Ezra Klein not being profoundly dishonest the whole way through.

  • @bhostility2009
    @bhostility2009 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    2028 primaries just started 😅

  • @Nallendar
    @Nallendar 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    I like Vivek but he has no hope among good sections of Republican voters. They won’t vote Vivek due to his race, religion and heritage. 😢

    • @markeasley6149
      @markeasley6149 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Democrats are worse. Ask Andrew Yang.

    • @aconcernedcitizen1
      @aconcernedcitizen1 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      That's a completely baseless statement lol. I'm a republican and all of my republican friends are excited about Ramaswamy. You should check your hasty generalization that causes such deep divides in American politics.

    • @Nallendar
      @Nallendar 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @ I wish everyone are like you and your friends! This election, I voted for Trump too. Cheers!!!

    • @pulse3554
      @pulse3554 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aconcernedcitizen1but it’s true that race is a proxy for social class in America

    • @isaklytting5795
      @isaklytting5795 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's not true. People aren't like that. Only the 1% paranoid Woke bastards who want to divide us all based on our gender or race or wherever else they can get their wedges ind are the ones saying stuff like this over and over again, and that eventually trickles down so that people begin to believe it. It just isn't true. By far the vast majority of people voting Republican are decent, fair minded people who find racism and sexism abhorrent. Besides, I'll bet most people voting for Trump today, originally voted for Obama when he first ran - before proving himself to be a racist divider instead of a unifier.
      Also, the parties seem to have switched values. When I was young in the 1980's and 1990's, it was the "lefties" who defended freedom of speech as an absolute right, were against mega-corporations, were afraid of government surveillance, of secret trials, etc. etc.
      Today it's flipped, and you are likely to hear Republican voters saying "we need to protect freedom of speech", being against untouchable multinational corporations in unholy alliances with governments, whereas Democrats often express enthusiasm for these things. It's like reality has done a 180.

  • @isaacgage2762
    @isaacgage2762 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    This was an exceptionally rational conversation. Ezra was adversarial but remained respectful. Same with Ramaswamy. One point I didn’t see brought up was the Supreme Court’s overturning of Chevron Deference. How can one say that the “nanny administrative state” still exists when Chevron is dead?

    • @1donjuego
      @1donjuego 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ezra never followed up with the important questions and he allowed Rama to sanewash his callous greed and insanity. Fact is he supports a definition of national identity restricted to white christian nationalist that do not speak against the leader. That is NOT American. He supports ending our citizenship and making us subjects of his ruling class.

    • @YashArya01
      @YashArya01 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Chevron being dead is a prerequisite to dismantling the Nanny State, but the state exists as long as the regulatory apparatus still exists. It will end when the departments are shut down.

    • @bulletsandbracelets4140
      @bulletsandbracelets4140 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@YashArya01 and we will no longer be able to trust the water we drink, the food we eat, the medications we take. I really don't understand how anyone can see that as a win.

    • @isaacgage2762
      @isaacgage2762 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@YashArya01 That’s an interesting point I hadn’t considered. So Chevron being overturned is just the beginning. I guess my next question(s) is assuming that the departments are shut down in a hypothetical Trump administration, what happens now that agency power has been stripped? Do individual States handle the majority of the business that the federal government handled up to this point? What happens to all of the federal employees who will suddenly be without work?

    • @YashArya01
      @YashArya01 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@bulletsandbracelets4140 first, whether or not dismantling the regulatory state is a good thing is a different goal post from whether it's already dismantled. Second, how open are you to genuinely exploring counter views without jumping to conclusions or making caricatures of it?

  • @emmab31484
    @emmab31484 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Smart guy Vivek, brings a lot to the table

  • @thiruvalluvar
    @thiruvalluvar 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    One of the smartest people I have seen.

  • @dionysisxb
    @dionysisxb 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Vivek is such an amazingly clear thinker. I really like the way he breaks down hard problems and identifies where government should and should not exist. We are a nation built on independence of thought and the value of disagreement and debate. I really appreciate his approach to rational discussion and focus on finding pragmatic solutions.

    • @bulletsandbracelets4140
      @bulletsandbracelets4140 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Too bad he explicitly argues that all Americans think the same and that anyone who doesn't share his "national identity" for America shouldn't be a citizen. Idk. I'd be a little careful taking him too seriously.

    • @chrisgali2243
      @chrisgali2243 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@bulletsandbracelets4140 So if you don't want to be an American why stay here?

    • @bulletsandbracelets4140
      @bulletsandbracelets4140 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@chrisgali2243 Incredibly funny statement. I think you might be a little brainwashed. I'll try to lay it out in simple terms.
      I love living here. I love my home, my neighbors, and my community. I think that there are a lot of things wrong with our government and I think there are a lot of things that need to be improved in this country. I care about this country. So I speak out about wanting those things improved.
      This is like asking an employee of a company, when they propose a solution to make the company better, why they don't want to work there. As if they are the ones who don't care when they are actually the ones doing the most work, and taking the most initiative, to make the company more successful.
      I think being an American means we have the freedom to be whatever we want to be. And i think the people who don't want to be Americans are the ones trying to turn us into something like Russia. A place where no one is allowed to criticize, no one is allowed to speak their mind, and the "national identity" is the only thing that matters. If you want that, feel free to move there. I'm sure they'd love to have you.

  • @zenzo4815
    @zenzo4815 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    He is learning more and more about politics and preparing for the future let's see what changes he will become in future

  • @tcroweification
    @tcroweification 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I'm not generally a fan of Ezra, but I like the way he articulates his thinking, and I appreciate how he has these conversations.

  • @thomasseptimius
    @thomasseptimius 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    vivek and vance are old friends and agree on most

  • @sialo1
    @sialo1 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a fellow American of Indian origin, I couldn’t be prouder to have this dude rep us. So fricking articulate and clear in his “why”.

  • @chriskimmel8763
    @chriskimmel8763 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is the way. Every political leader should aspire to share the deep understanding these two displayed here. This was amazing.

  • @juegacomocampeon4493
    @juegacomocampeon4493 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Vivek pulled me off the fence due to his approach, but more due to his prescience and world views. I look forward to seeing and hearing more from him in the decades to come.

  • @davidduneman1883
    @davidduneman1883 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Voting Trump, but was hoping for Vivek.

  • @hobojungle1
    @hobojungle1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    A national treasure. Can’t wait to see how he gets involved in politics in the future.

  • @robelee
    @robelee 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Vivek represents my ideals to a tee! I’m definitely a Trump supporting Republican who opposes the spineless establishment who sold itself out to China, but I’m not in favor of some of the big government policies that the protectionist wing of the America First Movement espouses. I’m a “classical conservative” as Vivek describes it, in that the neocons acceptance of big government is something I wholeheartedly separate myself from.

  • @1cont
    @1cont 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Vivek. Smart cookie.
    Ill vote for him.

  • @ThinkSutra
    @ThinkSutra 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    This episode of The Ezra Klein Show highlights a fascinating tension within modern American conservatism. Ramaswamy's emergence represents a pivotal moment in Republican politics, where traditional conservative principles intersect with Trump's populist movement. The discussion exposes an important ideological divide between "national protectionism" and "national libertarianism," suggesting that Trumpism isn't a monolithic movement but a complex political phenomenon that different figures interpret and aim to shape in distinct ways. This debate between Ramaswamy and figures like JD Vance isn't just about policy - it cuts to fundamental questions about American identity and the future direction of conservative politics in the post-Trump era.

    • @MSA-uj7cp
      @MSA-uj7cp 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you. I treating and insightful comment.

    • @juvwon
      @juvwon 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      👏👏👏

    • @msvulcanspock
      @msvulcanspock 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vance said he would make legal immigrants illegal. Then they would be deported.
      Vivek could end up being deported by Trump's cleaning out the 'vermin' from American life. They are currently planning to deport whole families. So at least Vivek would not lose contact with them.

    • @danielromerosol4158
      @danielromerosol4158 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ;) man, Libertarian ideas are just a phase. Normal people outgrow this BS. But looks like there are marks that still belive this bs

    • @bellabella9181
      @bellabella9181 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      You used AI to write this.

  • @Friction
    @Friction 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    It's sad that Vivek is saddled with having to defend the lunacies of Trump rather than having the much better conversations that he's clearly capable of having.

    • @consciouspragmatist2778
      @consciouspragmatist2778 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Friction Whatever happened to personal responsibility? He doesn't have to do anything. He chooses to defend him. That is disqualifying for me.

    • @pulse3554
      @pulse3554 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup it’s hampering him

    • @gazibizi9504
      @gazibizi9504 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@consciouspragmatist2778chooses to defend? He is obliged to defend. You might disagree in a lot of things but in the face of greater opposition those opinions become irrelevant and inconsequential.

    • @consciouspragmatist2778
      @consciouspragmatist2778 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@gazibizi9504We disagree on the type of opposition Dems represent in comparison to where he placed his loyalty. Vivek was preserving Vivek and his own aspirations, not saving the country.

    • @gazibizi9504
      @gazibizi9504 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @consciouspragmatist2778 was he supposed to destroy himself instead? Would that make you like someone? No intelligent person works without interest, it's foolish and incompetent to be selfless like that, if that's what you were hoping.

  • @AerialEngineer
    @AerialEngineer 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I want to live in a world where the man on the left represents the values of the left and the man on the right represents the values of the right and where intelligent conversations like this are more common. If only people like these two were on the ballot in November.

  • @ryanbirabent-genone9219
    @ryanbirabent-genone9219 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I really appreciate this kind of conversation.

  • @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044
    @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It is refreshing to listen to such a respectful conversation based on good faith, finally devoid of all those commonly used accusations and insults that are filling most political debates nowadays

  • @kunals.1161
    @kunals.1161 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    He is love!

  • @ZXM500
    @ZXM500 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This discussion was a perfect example for what it looks like for steel to sharpen steel.

  • @yankelovich
    @yankelovich 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    A fine example of civil discourse between political opposites. Not what one usually gets from the NYT. Ramaswamy is a very talented and smart guy and will be a formidable candidate for the Republicans next cycle.

  • @patbickmonty6900
    @patbickmonty6900 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Vivek exhibits intellectual maturity. He is focused less on the earthly and more on the transcendental. “America” to him is not merely a plot of land with a blood and a religion. America is a set of principles and ideals, largely inspired by respect for the sovereignty of individuals, made feasible by a framework that promotes pluralism, irrespective of cultural extrinsics.

  • @bmanley01
    @bmanley01 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    America NEEDS this man in our lives.

  • @jenniferduncan4966
    @jenniferduncan4966 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Having opposing views is a good thing. This country was formed by opposing views.

  • @NickolayEl
    @NickolayEl 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +128

    He's a diamond in the political sphere, gifted with the single greatest quality in a politician - say as little as possible with as many words as the situation allows.

    • @silvereaper1
      @silvereaper1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      translation: i no understand, please explain to me

    • @justgivemethetruth
      @justgivemethetruth 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      In other words he is full of some very loose diarreaha. (sp?)

    • @juanperret7044
      @juanperret7044 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      I actually think it's the opposite. His ideas are consistent and drive at complete goals, but he says so much so fast that I think he tries to make listeners dizzy to what he's saying and only left with the impression that he's an intelligent guy rather than actually thinking deeply about the proposals. I don't personally think his policies or his race are popular in the party he's in. Sure there's a contingent that will but I just don't think he'll ever be the party nominee

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@silvereaper1Can you provide the spark notes of what he's saying, to demonstrate to us that you do understand him?

    • @Lerian_V
      @Lerian_V 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Bertinator-nm9ld I'll do it for you. How much can you pay?

  • @NoelStalker
    @NoelStalker 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    I have worked in the auto industry for 29 years. All of the government regulation has done nothing but create more jobs and work for people in my industry. For example, when the regulation was added to add TPMS to all vehicles, we now have to add equipment to install and verify all of those sensors. The regulations on fuel efficiency likewise have driven more complicated engine design, driving the need for more operators and machines to execute these. And the end result is that we are all driving safer, more fuel-efficient vehicles. I don't think the industry would have just changed on a dime after Ralph Nader's "unsafe at any speed". Regulation needed to be implemented.

    • @bulletsandbracelets4140
      @bulletsandbracelets4140 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It needs to be implemented, but it also needs to be followed up on and updated when it isn't efficient or is no longer relevant or useful. It annoys me a lot that this conversation is always all or nothing. Some regulation is definitely over the top and I am sure some does more harm than good the way it is currently written. But that doesn't mean we should treat all regulations the same way.

    • @NoelStalker
      @NoelStalker 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@bulletsandbracelets4140 agreed - Vivek seemed to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though

    • @bulletsandbracelets4140
      @bulletsandbracelets4140 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@NoelStalker oh yeah. of the two, at least Dems live in the real world and acknowledge that we need regulations as a concept. I have to be careful on that, in no way are these two sides equal. (Dude is an out and out fascist, he's just a lot better spoken. Makes it worse in a lot of ways)

    • @kappadarwin9476
      @kappadarwin9476 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bulletsandbracelets4140 We do not treat all regulations the same way. Regulations exist for a reason the reason we have them is because someone before that did something to warrant such a thing to be needed. Think about it we have a lot of coal and fishing regulations because someone argued in court that the rule wasn't written down or clear enough so I'm not at fault. A lot of company lawyers jobs were to find loopholes or technicalities to get their clients off on a lesser charge this would mean business owners would flaunt regulations because the money gained from cutting corners was worth more than the fine.

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@bulletsandbracelets4140 Out of curiosity, do you have a few specific examples of regulations that you think are outdated? That can be an interesting conversation to explore

  • @editordaniellemarie
    @editordaniellemarie 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I really applaud, and would like to express my gratitude and appreciation for, your being sitting down with each other and discussing these issues to get to the heart of them , so we the listeners can understand the actual differences -- which gets lost when people are only name-calling and smearing each other. And, you found some common ground too. 💗 This is really inspirational and aspirational; I'm sending to as many as I possibly can. Thank you so much 🙏❤️🤍💙

  • @AM-gt9uo
    @AM-gt9uo 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you Ezra for bringing these worlds together through thoughtful conversation.

  • @stargazerh112
    @stargazerh112 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    You keep moving the goal posts. Deal with what Vivek is saying instead of your TDS mind reading of Trump.

  • @danrosario2888
    @danrosario2888 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Fuckin Love Vivek, glad yall got him on.

  • @myintmyat2697
    @myintmyat2697 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I am a moderate Democrat but I find myself quite agreeing with this Vivek guy.

  • @mouksb2000
    @mouksb2000 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mearsheimer - Realpolitik god....amazing that i studied him in uni n hes still #1 when it comes to understanding IR in the 21st century. That's quite a run....👊🔥....merciiii great interview

  • @TimeoWilliams
    @TimeoWilliams 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fantastic discussion. Thank you NYT & Vivek

  • @gardenia1237
    @gardenia1237 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I wonder how he would address the issue of the farming industry where immigrants are not taking jobs away but in addition “about 116,400 openings for agricultural workers are projected each year” -
    The job is brutal physically, the workers have to be up 2-3 am, and have to move around the US following the harvest, and their children move schools every 2/3 months. Their living conditions and wages are so bad that, if improved (which is the right thing to do), it would lead to higher produce prices.
    Farmers are already subsidized, take away these workers (which is a dilemma in itself), the US will have to rely more and more on imported foods.