Yo dude what about my feverite hand canon !!! The Crimil's dager from Iron banner ??? Not sunset 2 taper and good range good handling & i dont talk about the skin ( best look hand canon to me )
Zaoulis or Raviolis bane is actually pretty good and fun to use when playing pve tho incandescent and explosive payload makes it fun I think it deserves a tier higher than bad but I see why u did so
More of this Ahoy aesthetic! Heck, at some point I bet you're gonna make videos of the detailed lore and history of every notable piece of gear in the game.
I feel so special now knowing that Nomad noted that Sturm is “not for everyone.” I swear by that weapon. It is a glorious piece of golden age tech. I am one of the few left.
@@viviolet7 exactly bro. Every stat feels perfect, it doesnt lack there at all (not even the slow reload, that glorious custom reload animation is so nice to watch). Its just all around a fantastic hand cannon. It has no downsides, while at the same time not doing anything particularly special. Its just straight up good.
My favorite PvE hand cannon from way back: Duke Mk. 44 I had one with Outlaw/Rampage, so fun to use that I raked up over 16k on it. Now Crimson is about the only PvE hand cannon, since it's basically a pulse with heals and reloads.
It's nice to see other fans of the Duke. I garnered so many PvP kills with my Rapid-Hit/Rampage Duke. (Albeit, back when Rampage Damage was insane on 120's) The Gun just sounds and feels great, the Range was outstanding, and it was a sure threat to anyone who wanted to tango with a Precision-Seeking Maniac like me. I just wish they'd bring it back...
I absolutely adore pure poetry and steady hand. Also, don't discount how huge the passive AE that air assault grants is. With Icarus and one grounded kill you hit 70 on PP, an airborne kill you hit 100. It's beautiful
Erianna’s Vow with Lucky Pants is legit goated in PvE. So is Malfeasance if you’re gonna cheese something from a safe spot where you will expend all your heavy and special quickly.
It does, but it’s hard to hit shots overall and it honestly doesn’t seem to melt as fast as Malfeasance. Plus u have to to run solar with Vow which isn’t bad but doesn’t free up better builds like Strand and Stasis
Commenting at 1:44 before the tier list gets underway: Hawkmoon with champ mods is probably the most fun I have with a handcannon and I highly recommend it to anyone who either wants to or actively enjoys handcannons in PvE. Brownie points if you say "Ka-kaw!" as you let the charged bullet fly
@@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU Season of the Splicer had overload handcannon, and my squad and I all ran Hawkmoon in the Glassway GM, it was the most effective way for us to take out the overload captains at the time, and dealt consistent damage to the big boy hydra at the end
Zaoulis bane is impacted mostly by the gun model itself. The bulky gun model with the strange upward tilt of the visual recoil and the floaty iron sights just make it so difficult to use and get used to even in pve
As a pve main, I got one drop of rose. Elemental capacitor and explosive shot. Did I mention I main void? That’s 100 stability and 100 recoil direction.
I really liked my crafted zhaoli's bane in PvE mainly for explosive payload and incandescent, but after getting that hand cannon from the veil quest I realized just how bad it felt
Is it just me or as much I would like to use a handcannon I just can’t? Especially low stability ones? God how I’d just be using ace of spades every day..
There’s definitely a learning curve that’s for sure, as a hand cannon addict I really don’t know what works for me until I try it, sunshot is gorgeous for me but I could not stand the new palindrome, fatebringer is my baby but I can never use ace consistently, I’m only now getting used to 120’s and even then round Robin is the cream of the crop for me, just experiment and see what works for you
@@LaLloronaVT It's the opposite for me. I love ace and palindrome. My adept palindrome from season of the chosen is my favorite energy weapon. I just can't use fatebringer, idk why.
*Nomad talking about how palindrome is annoyingly good* Me: He's gonna mention Red Bull, wait for it... THERE IT IS hahaha Great vid as always, thanks for the entertainment, I really like your style :D
im happy with dire promise's placement. it was my first legendary gun, my first masterwork weapon, and the only kinetic gun i ran until beyond light (i started playing just before season of the lost and cross platform)
Did you try Ikelos Hc with Golden Tricorn/Offhand Strike? That's a long lasting three tap damage buff for a good ttk at great ranges while hip firing, which is already extremely accurate.
idk how crimson isnt in a tier of its own or even just at the highest rank. its put below ace by a little bit which is weird. if i recall correctly it does more damage that momento ace and requires no setup, has more range literally has 3 short of 2x aces stability, only 15 less handling and 16 more reload speed and lastly has 5 more aim assistance and 1 more airborn effectiveness. ontop of crimsons insane damageput outdoing aces literal exotic perk that requires a kill to activate it also regenerates like 40 hp and reloads ur gun on kills..not to mention that with 3 bullets the recoil ur opponents get is way harder to control than with ace cause as soon as you get shot you make the adjustment to ur aim then you get hit 2 more times..requires you to adjust ur aim multiple times whilst ace is just a predictable single adjustment. especially because its been so popular for so long that its not difficult to adjust anymore if ur a long time player.
I normally disagree with most Tier Listings, but.. I can't. Everything you listed fits perfectly and what is what I would place each of them in the exact same spots. My baby Ace getting the respect it deserves. Your summation of Palindrome was also interesting but accurate, it's a gun so good it's like watching a Storm Trooper go up against Darth Vader in his prime just to be absolutely demolished. I love Hand Cannons and this list was accurate. Great job, Nomad.
Yes, my baby is in Elite! Eyasluna was the first legendary HC I fell in love with in Crucible. With Rangefinder and Moving Target, this puppy dances in my hand (and no, I don't think the change/nerf to Rangefinder is gonna hurt it).
As a hunter who mains Void a handcannon is the best weapon to use. Along with the ace of spades simply getting one headshot has killed entire mobs of enemies while allowing me to go invisible and get ready for the next.
While I love rapid hit+rampage, I completely get the description you gave on Trust. It feels good to shoot even if it's not the best of the bunch. I had a hard time putting it down even after I got Luna's Howl back in the day!
Crimson isn't used on PC because PC players typically play max FOV and the guns sight's are broken and prevent you seeing what you're shooting at. Not such an issue with aim assist.
I have a timelost fatebringer with a range masterwork, hammerforged, accurized explosive and eye of the storm.. I’ve never had a handcannon that felt that great
Hand Cannons on Hunter with Lucky Pants always have a place in PvE, even if it's just Eriana's Vow. Crimson + Lucky Pants + Strand has been my default build since the Hand Cannon buff.
As of rn, Trust is my favourite handcannon in the game. The one I use has Dragonfly, Heating up, and stability mw. I agree with the placement tho, bc I've always felt it's more for PvE use than PvP, especially my role. It feels amazing tho, get one if you don't have one.
@@crymoreyes bc the flashlight can annoy a lot of people. personally i don’t find an issue with it tho. although, i find it harder to hit consistent three taps with ep fatebringer compared to a ep rose
@@SALMONCATCHER11 Fate is better already than all rangefinder handcannons. EP gives flinch, aoe, magnetism, less damage falloff, whilst fatebringer itself reaches 33m without rangefinder and also has eye of the storm.
Is anyone else really confused by his perk nitpicks? He says Fatebringer can't be elite because its perks hold it back when it literally has Eye of the Storm + Explosive Payload (arguably the best, most consistent perk combo for handcannons in the game), and then when he talks about weapons like the Steady Hand he gives freaking mulligan and honorable mention and places it in elite above Fatebringer? How does that work? Palindrome has a completely dead column 3 with no consistency perks but its the cannon he praises most highly, while Austringer is completely stacked with godly PvP perks like Eye of the Storm, Opening Shot, Zen Moment, Rangefinder, Snapshot, even Air Assault for building AE, but he criticizes it for "not having the greatest selection of PvP perks". This tier list legitimately makes zero sense, it just seems like he rated whatever is most popular most highly and whatever isn't was put low on the list. Also, why include NF and Luna's when they are both sunset? They are the only sunset options on the list, their inclusion is nonsensical. And putting Crimson that high when it is literally one of the worst handcannons in the game? You can't peak shot with it so it can't compete with other handcannons, it doesn't have the range of pulse rifles so it can't compete with pulse rifles, and it lacks the ttk of shorter range options like smgs and sidearms. The only primaries worse and more out of place than Crimson are auto rifles. Crimson only works against bad opponents with no primary shot who can't use cover. As a fellow PvP lover and a handcannon main, I have to say that this tier list is kinda shite. For a 28 minute video, its kind of shocking how little useful information was given on each handcannon, and how many inaccuracies were made. How can anyone gush about how Rose is a "stat monster" when it literally is not from a statistical standpoint? Let's compare Timelost Fatebringer (which was rated lower) and Rose for a second. In terms of base stats, Fatebringer beats Rose by 3 range, a whopping 12 stability, only has 5 less handling (which is easily made up by the adept masterwork and adept icarus), and only 1 less aim assist. Reload speed is a throwaway stat, the only stat where Rose really has a compelling lead is in Airborne Effectiveness, which wasn't even mentioned in the video. AE is the real appeal of Rose, not stats. Rose actually has extremely garbage stability for a 140 handcannon in the kinetic slot, Austringer has 14 more base stability and Eyasluna has 19 more base stability. And in order to make up that stability and get to a reasonable number you have to sacrifice its high base handling by running heavy grip, at which point you're still going to have less stability than the other meta kinetic 140s. Rose is, on paper, the statistically worst handcannon that is considered meta, its popularity stems primarily from its high AE and lightweight bonus. This was a poorly made tier list that seemingly had very little actual thought put into it. If you are considered an authority on the crucible, you should at the very least aim to not say blatantly incorrect things in your videos about a topic you are supposed to be knowledgeable about.
Only one I hard disagree with is Dire Promise. As far as I know it had one of if not the highest aim assist out of all 140s, on top of having solid perks and a great reticle. You can also roll different reticles on it so it can get higher zoom than other 140s.
No hand cannon reticles grant zoom. Dire is slim and steady, feels better almost all other handcannona, but you haven't lived until you've fired eyasluna with whatever combination tickles your fancy. Dire is great, but it's power crept
It's not the feel. It's just the practical usefulness. Four shot unboosted ttk is 1s, and unlike 120's with the same tkk, they don't reach as far or hit as hard
I have never watched your videos and only see your takes on Twitter… but this is an awesome video, good info, background music, with good gameplay and a splash of humor. Well done!
I like to use my crafted Zahoulis Bane with enhanced explosive payload and incandescent in pve content, and its feels great. However, i never wanna use it in grandmaster-esque content cause i prefer longer range primarys
Bottom dollar is underated in this list, with insane perk combos like rangefinder and explosive payload, it has the highest range out of any 120 hand cannon in the game. It feels good to use, has a clean sight, and a good origin trait, yeah you have to play gambit to get it, but that shouldn't affect it on the tier list as a god roll of it is just incredible.
HILARIOUS football reference, god its nice to hear some British culture references in a sea of American creators, I will assume you are a Liverpool fan by the comment made in your video, if so know that the mighty Tottenham hotspur will be marching on into a year full of trophies next season ;)
Thorn makes me so sad. I got my first Thorn the day after the big balance patch that buffed it to a 2 tap on D1 dropped. It was a good day. I miss when the poison actually justified the exotic slot
OK... Am I the odd one out here ? when Zhaouli's bane came back, me and my clan were amazed by how it performed in PvE ... incandescent and explosive rounds made it feel like an exotic to us, and i'm sure that i've got more than 3 thousands kills on it (which as someone who changes weapons to play with like shirts, is a lot)
Love ascendant nomads videos but admittedly i don’t understand the theme of youtubers making tier lists right before a new season! Anyone watching this during the season of the deep, a few of the hand cannons look like they could be pretty good picks, but nation of the beasts after the rangefinder buff has a good chance to become top tier, not only because of a new perk pool, but its also now craftable! Has an amazing keep away exposive payload roll, and a memey(?) roll of hipfire grip offhand strike. Don’t know how this feels on a hand cannon yet but unironically an incredible roll on heritage, my personal favorite roll on the gun. May have some potential on this. Worth a try for some funky stuff if you get it as a random roll!
Got a godly Crisis Inverted with Extended Barrel so it’s pattern is 100 with ricochet rounds, tunnel, and ranger finder with range master work and dear lord it’s so crispy it brings me back to the D1 Omolon Handcannon days and that was when you could order guns from Banshee every Wednesday and get nasty ass roles.
There is also Optative, which used to be kinda strong when it released, especially when paired with something like OG mountaintop (sure, you could just shoot the person on the body, but whats the fun in that?) You could rock that perk that made you change faster with empty mag (forgot the name) on mtt, kill clip on optative, any decent perk on third column, tune it for range, shoot near someone with MTT, insta-change to optative to finish the person off, reload and you have a not forgotten, pair that with its excellent feel and movement exotics and well... you could just run over 6x6's, unfortunately i lost the opportunity to craft its reincarnation when i didn't have time to play during season of the wish. I hope it comes back soon, also i'd like to see how sightline survey would compare with the ones on this list, especially as a fan of the 180 archetype.
interestingly, i started playing the game in season of the chosen, having picked the game up because of xbox game pass, and having played D1 growing up (17 now), and dropped waking vigil in my first hour of playing the game, rangefinder dragonfly and it's still to this day my favorite handcannon i have
For Zaouli’s Bane there’s some kind of weird zoom bug or reticle placement that makes it really weird to use. You cant even see your hands it’s so zoomed in
With the zhaouli's bane, one of the main reason is its sights are muuch wider and just chunkier then any other hand cannon, making it feel and act as if its close range
Great list! I have a few Roses but my favourite has slideshot and explosive payload. I have a True Prophecy with opening shot and explosive payload... happy to see that I farmed the right Hand Cannons. I am currently farming Gambit for Malfeasance... and just got sunshot which I am loving but testing it out before I bring it into the Crucible. Also, got a midnight Coup with Firefly and Rampage which is lovely when you get rampage going (which is easy to do because of FF) I have a few others on your list except AOS and Last Word. But after this video, I think it's time to add them to my hand cannon collection as well.
Yeah, i love my zaoli's bane in pve but im like, only 80 percent accurate with it, it feels like im holding a brick in my hands instead of an actual handcannon.
FINALLY! I was trying to look for one of your (Ascendant Nomad) "tier lists" for Hand Cannons but there wasn't one so I'm happy it appeared in my recommended feed
Trust, Duke and Not forgotten are my favorite.... Though I use the Halo CE Magnum because it's a handcannon in sidearm skin plus uses special letting me pair it with a primary without having to dual primaries... I hate doing that. I am talking pve/gambit btw.
For pve, I actually find 120s quite enjoyable to use. High enough damage profiles without having to get into smg territory. Scouts can feel awkward in that middling range, so if your play style is too aggressive for scouts and not enough for smgs, I recommend a good 120
Out of all the HC's on this list, I somehow always default back to Eriana's Vow above everything else. Aha. Crimson, Ace or Trust were my go-to until I got the EV catalyst done. Might not be meta in any way but damn is it satisfying to use, especially in pvp with a Titan throwing hammer to soften up the unsuspecting first. Don't think I'll ever get bored of that unwieldy chunk of metal as my personal #1.
8:07 This gun can roll demo plus wellspring Gives a bunch of energy since I’m sick of spamming Ogma and it’s kinetic slot. 12:13 I’ve had an overflow+osmosis dire forever it’s so good 16:13 Aw yeah now we’re talking! Eye of the storm+opening shot is one of the smoothest feeling weapons I have ever used 20:13 one of the more satisfying weapons I have used in any game; back in D1 I would log on just use this weapon. 21:17 Aus/Eyasluna felt just as good as I remembered from D1. Truly a Destiny moment Man I love hand cannons This was a fun video
I’ll never get rid of my demo/wellspring something new. It’s a nice handcannon especially with it being stasis. People just didn’t tinker with it enough when it launched and forgot about it
DFA might get nasty tomorrow, should’ve waited until Fragile Focus changes to rank it properly, super excited to try DFA and Mindbender after tomorrow’s buff
Crimil's Dagger having Moving Target + Opening Shot should be illegal. Mine had the luck to roll with those, Sureshot, Accurized and a handling MW and I've never put it down except for Lumina support builds. My only guess is that it's never been made available because it was so good and it dodged the Sunset wave as we got a million 120s at the same time shortly after it came out last.
I've always been a hard Rose Enjoyer. From when it was simply a quest weapon to unlock my absolute favorite habdcannon in the game, to it now being a ranked based drop of a monstrosity, Rose has always solidly been in my inventory(yeah...even when it was sunset. Huge copium until they brought my baby back). Rose, Bottom Dollar, Lumina, Eyasluna, Igneous Hammer, and Seventh Seraph(Silence, no questions. I have my reasons) are all among my top favorite Dueling weapons post Trust/Dire Promise murder. *My original Masterwork Godroll Braytech Werewolf also sits in my inventory, from when it was first introduced. I also have 3 more, each for different purposes and playstyles...*
I use an Astringer in pve, Ahmkaras, tripmine and exploding knife .... nades refresh the melee, melee refresh the nade timer **big badabooms** demolitionist perk on astringer for if i miss a throw and end up with long CD's .. pop a couple of headshots and i can start badda booming again
I am critically addicted to the space cowboy playstyle, in both PvP and PvE, particularly on my Hunter. Thus, Deadshot Golden Gun, Lucky Pants, and Last Word have carried me through the last two DLC campaigns, Strikes, Gambit, Crucible... literally everything I play in this game
I have so many well rolled hand cannons in my vault that I just never use because I moved on to things like autos and smgs after all the changes to the Magnificent Howl twins. Maybe I'll dedicate a day to messing around with the god rolled Eyasluna and Rose that I've never used. I will say though, I think Frontier's Cry should be higher. 180s are the one exception I've made as I try every new one out to chase that old high and a well rolled Frontier's Cry is the closest thing I've felt to what Luna's Howl was. Obviously it doesn't reach the ranges Not Forgotten did back then, but it definitely catches people off guard. Even better when you can refresh Kill Clip.
I miss my Trust, I never used it for PVP, not really, but it dropped with dragonfly and a few others. I had so much fun getting headshots and making them explode.
Was wanting to pick this back up now I can have the time to play again glad to hear my number one best hand cannon took me from below ten kills to over 20 deaths to mid 20's with less than 10 deaths Ace of Spades my boy
Any comments on Epochal Integration? I love its look and feel and sound. It’s a static roll weapon with a couple of options from Stats for all or Keep away and then Eye of the Storm or Incandescence in the next column (This is not to forget it’s intrinsic of Nano trace rockets as well like Round Robin). I enjoy the weapon a lot when I’m not using Sunshot and it’s a limited yet unique package I think.
Eriana's Vow needs a specific way to play with in order to make it good. All by itself it's bad. With buffs it becomes a one shot kill which makes it very good. Another way to use it is with handcannons that have quickdraw so you can use that same trick we used to do with bows.
Tbh I love Exalted Truth more than Palindrome lol got the adept one with hammer forged, accu rounds, rangefinder, encore / frenzy with range MW and it feels great Just like you said: Pali is a 'boring' weapon
5:29 I'll stick up fot Zaouli's in PvE. I have a crafted one with Enhanced Explosive and Enhanced Incandescent it does a really good job at chewing through ads, though I will admit it's probably not great on higher end content. Still, it certainly has a place
As a resident Waking Vigil main, I take great offense! It not only rolls some of the best perks for aim assist and weapon feel you can get, and has sight options over barrel options, which tend to have a greater stat package, it also did get buffed with the other former 150s, putting its stats back in line with other hand cannons. I highly recommend one with a high handling, with Fastdraw HCS, Handling masterwork, and your mag of choice (mine has High-Cal), with Targeting Adjuster, I have 88 Handling and 92 Aim Assist, plus Opening Shot and Rangefinder to make it even stickier. It trades slightly less range compared to options like Austringer and Eyasluna with similar parts, in exchange for a significant Handling bump and a slight aim assist bump. a It's a fantastic weapon if you prefer weapon feel and bullet magnetism over other perk options, it is most certainly not an "Okay" weapon! The only hand cannon I have seen that feels even remotely close is Rose with Quickdraw and Snapshot.
I'm not so sure how I feel about zaouli's bane, in pvp I've never used it but in pve with explosive payload and incandescent it's fantastic granted tho not in gms or master raids but everywhere else it's great, I'm really surprised it was so low
I really love the way Loud Lullaby feels to use. It's heavy and clunky, but it hits hard and sounds great. It gives me the feeling of driving a miniature semi truck into somebody's skull. Kinda like how Arbalest felt back when it first released.
Love the vid. I’m a PvE main who is getting tired of running the same activities over again, and now I feel better about loading up for my next comp match so I don’t absolutely choke my next game
on your opening remarks me and my friend have been having fun with hawkmoon and malfeasance repectively for boss dmg when we didnt have any power ammo or supers
Malfeasance is now Great with the Catalysts. On another note, I started using Last Word again... Damm it's pretty solid still inside it's intended range.
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I love the idea I saw of making 180’s into 200 rpm. I would love for Trust to be more competitive just because as you alluded to, it *feels* so great.
15% not 25% for Lumina in PvP
Yo dude what about my feverite hand canon !!! The Crimil's dager from Iron banner ???
Not sunset 2 taper and good range good handling & i dont talk about the skin ( best look hand canon to me )
Spare ratoions
Zaoulis or Raviolis bane is actually pretty good and fun to use when playing pve tho incandescent and explosive payload makes it fun I think it deserves a tier higher than bad but I see why u did so
Austringer with zen Moment and max stability literally does not get flinched. Its incredible.
Got it levelled, with enhanced perks, it has crazy stats, but for some reason if just feels off..
Negative flinch lol
I'll try that
@@50centi probably bc you have no range at all
Wish I got that roll or enough red borders to get it craftable, so glad they changed that horrible red boarder system.
More of this Ahoy aesthetic! Heck, at some point I bet you're gonna make videos of the detailed lore and history of every notable piece of gear in the game.
That's what this feels like! Couldn't put my finger on it. We need three descriptors after every weapon now
I was gonna comment this as well!
Halfway through the intro, I was expecting he imitate Ahoy's voice as well LOL. Keep this up Nomad!
Wow I missed that channel. Such great reviews and videos it had. I didn’t even realize watching this
@@jpmorgan6146 he still uploads
I feel so special now knowing that Nomad noted that Sturm is “not for everyone.” I swear by that weapon. It is a glorious piece of golden age tech. I am one of the few left.
doesnt even need an exotic perk for me, it just feels good. dont care at all about the synergy, the stat package punches way above its weight class
Sturm is goofy, inn a good way. Love getting that 40k damage lol
@@viviolet7 exactly bro. Every stat feels perfect, it doesnt lack there at all (not even the slow reload, that glorious custom reload animation is so nice to watch). Its just all around a fantastic hand cannon. It has no downsides, while at the same time not doing anything particularly special. Its just straight up good.
Sturm is my favorite handcannon, love everything about it
@@OkamiAmaterasu. you and me together bro, every time i equip it i magicaly start hitting headshots
My favorite PvE hand cannon from way back: Duke Mk. 44 I had one with Outlaw/Rampage, so fun to use that I raked up over 16k on it. Now Crimson is about the only PvE hand cannon, since it's basically a pulse with heals and reloads.
YOOOOO someone remembers this thing, I adored that weapon's damage output.
The Duke was the best 120 to use in destiny 1 and 2. I’m sad it’s been sunset into nonexistence and 120s aren’t that strong without high damage perks
Does no one care about sunshot anymore?
It's nice to see other fans of the Duke.
I garnered so many PvP kills with my Rapid-Hit/Rampage Duke. (Albeit, back when Rampage Damage was insane on 120's)
The Gun just sounds and feels great, the Range was outstanding, and it was a sure threat to anyone who wanted to tango with a Precision-Seeking Maniac like me.
I just wish they'd bring it back...
I have a feeling duke will come back with an elite perk pool…..but a world drop…
I absolutely adore pure poetry and steady hand.
Also, don't discount how huge the passive AE that air assault grants is. With Icarus and one grounded kill you hit 70 on PP, an airborne kill you hit 100. It's beautiful
Erianna’s Vow with Lucky Pants is legit goated in PvE. So is Malfeasance if you’re gonna cheese something from a safe spot where you will expend all your heavy and special quickly.
For anyone trying this keep in mind that Vow has a custom interaction with Luck Pants and gets a smaller damage buff than other hand cannons.
@@IntetDreamer Still deals great damage
It does, but it’s hard to hit shots overall and it honestly doesn’t seem to melt as fast as Malfeasance. Plus u have to to run solar with Vow which isn’t bad but doesn’t free up better builds like Strand and Stasis
I prefer saving the exotic slot and using second seraph with vorpal and a major mod. Let’s me use le monarche for overloads or another exotic.
@@IntetDreamer It still far exceeds any primary Hand Cannon
zaouli’s with incandescent and explosive payload makes it a legendary sunshot, letting you use other exotics
Use it with witherhoard and boom, one pve loadout for everything.
@@thesolersystemofgames841 or with Riptide Chill Clip and boom, heavy exotic slot possible
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@@aesfeieienxas1925 ooh thats good too
Commenting at 1:44 before the tier list gets underway: Hawkmoon with champ mods is probably the most fun I have with a handcannon and I highly recommend it to anyone who either wants to or actively enjoys handcannons in PvE. Brownie points if you say "Ka-kaw!" as you let the charged bullet fly
fr. I fully accept its not great, not compared to what exists in the kinetic slot. But its really really fun
@@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU Season of the Splicer had overload handcannon, and my squad and I all ran Hawkmoon in the Glassway GM, it was the most effective way for us to take out the overload captains at the time, and dealt consistent damage to the big boy hydra at the end
as a native, I kaw loudly each time it goes off. This is the way.
I don't hit my shots enough to make use of hawkmoon and its big boy shot :(
RAAAAAAAAĤHHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅
Zaoulis bane is impacted mostly by the gun model itself. The bulky gun model with the strange upward tilt of the visual recoil and the floaty iron sights just make it so difficult to use and get used to even in pve
It has bad stats by comparison to other weapons in slot
Honestly the weird feeling to me is mainly because of the 88 recoil, but this is easily fixed by a a counterbalance mod which helps a lot.
Gun works just fine for me
i got an explosive payload incandescent one and it is literally a legendary SunShot, ive been using it in both pvp and pve
@@matthewyarnevich3119 I love this roll for my solar hunter but the gun sucks in pvp
As a pve main, I got one drop of rose. Elemental capacitor and explosive shot. Did I mention I main void? That’s 100 stability and 100 recoil direction.
I really liked my crafted zhaoli's bane in PvE mainly for explosive payload and incandescent, but after getting that hand cannon from the veil quest I realized just how bad it felt
Is it just me or as much I would like to use a handcannon I just can’t? Especially low stability ones? God how I’d just be using ace of spades every day..
There’s definitely a learning curve that’s for sure, as a hand cannon addict I really don’t know what works for me until I try it, sunshot is gorgeous for me but I could not stand the new palindrome, fatebringer is my baby but I can never use ace consistently, I’m only now getting used to 120’s and even then round Robin is the cream of the crop for me, just experiment and see what works for you
I mean tbf it's not a great meta for hcs rn
Yeah, I never use hand cannons before now I have to because of unstoppable champions
@@LaLloronaVT It's the opposite for me. I love ace and palindrome. My adept palindrome from season of the chosen is my favorite energy weapon. I just can't use fatebringer, idk why.
Opposite for me, I can't stand using anything that isn't a handcannon
*Nomad talking about how palindrome is annoyingly good*
Me: He's gonna mention Red Bull, wait for it... THERE IT IS hahaha
Great vid as always, thanks for the entertainment, I really like your style :D
Fire Fly or Dragon Fly handcannons are fantastic for pve, but only those.
Sunshot absolutely has a place in pve for add clear
Really like the section splash screen style ("The Bad", "The Good", etc)
you're the first d2 channel i've seen with a truly standout writing/commentary style, keep it up ♥
im happy with dire promise's placement. it was my first legendary gun, my first masterwork weapon, and the only kinetic gun i ran until beyond light (i started playing just before season of the lost and cross platform)
Nomad rankings always go crazy
I honestly believe exalted truth is a direct upgrade from pali in every way with the only exception being that it can’t get ricochet rounds
Did you try Ikelos Hc with Golden Tricorn/Offhand Strike? That's a long lasting three tap damage buff for a good ttk at great ranges while hip firing, which is already extremely accurate.
idk how crimson isnt in a tier of its own or even just at the highest rank. its put below ace by a little bit which is weird. if i recall correctly it does more damage that momento ace and requires no setup, has more range literally has 3 short of 2x aces stability, only 15 less handling and 16 more reload speed and lastly has 5 more aim assistance and 1 more airborn effectiveness.
ontop of crimsons insane damageput outdoing aces literal exotic perk that requires a kill to activate it also regenerates like 40 hp and reloads ur gun on kills..not to mention that with 3 bullets the recoil ur opponents get is way harder to control than with ace cause as soon as you get shot you make the adjustment to ur aim then you get hit 2 more times..requires you to adjust ur aim multiple times whilst ace is just a predictable single adjustment. especially because its been so popular for so long that its not difficult to adjust anymore if ur a long time player.
I normally disagree with most Tier Listings, but.. I can't. Everything you listed fits perfectly and what is what I would place each of them in the exact same spots. My baby Ace getting the respect it deserves. Your summation of Palindrome was also interesting but accurate, it's a gun so good it's like watching a Storm Trooper go up against Darth Vader in his prime just to be absolutely demolished.
I love Hand Cannons and this list was accurate. Great job, Nomad.
Yes, my baby is in Elite! Eyasluna was the first legendary HC I fell in love with in Crucible. With Rangefinder and Moving Target, this puppy dances in my hand (and no, I don't think the change/nerf to Rangefinder is gonna hurt it).
On a scale of 1-mad, how Waking Vigil are you?
A right triangle with an angle of blue and grapes.
Mad at Bungie for not buffing its stats. Dire Promise almost suffers from the same problem but it feels good.
Feeling kinda Austringer tbh
1. Waking Vigil feels bad and should feel bad. (Supermodel look and sound tho)
@@Darkhouse999 I feel the same way, I hope that they also transition the stats of Thorn in the future
As a hunter who mains Void a handcannon is the best weapon to use. Along with the ace of spades simply getting one headshot has killed entire mobs of enemies while allowing me to go invisible and get ready for the next.
Take another look at Malfeasance. It now has a catalyst that adds 20 range and vorpal
I only have one complaint for this video. I know it'll automatically go in "The Bad" tier, but you missed Warden's Law. The bastard son of Crimson.
While I love rapid hit+rampage, I completely get the description you gave on Trust. It feels good to shoot even if it's not the best of the bunch. I had a hard time putting it down even after I got Luna's Howl back in the day!
Might have to move malfeasance. It got a crazy catalyst
Always appreciate a hand cannon tier list. Hyped for tomorrow
Crimson isn't used on PC because PC players typically play max FOV and the guns sight's are broken and prevent you seeing what you're shooting at. Not such an issue with aim assist.
I have a timelost fatebringer with a range masterwork, hammerforged, accurized explosive and eye of the storm.. I’ve never had a handcannon that felt that great
He clearly never used it
Great video, Crimson would definitely be my favorite.
Hand Cannons on Hunter with Lucky Pants always have a place in PvE, even if it's just Eriana's Vow. Crimson + Lucky Pants + Strand has been my default build since the Hand Cannon buff.
crimson/the last word/officer revolver would be better for that
@@dankerbell maybe you should have read my entire comment
@@dankerbell I will vouch for Last Word in particular, especially on fun factor
I’ve always used Last Word + Lucky Pants, but after a while it kinda gets stale. I’ll try Crimson and Eriana’s though.
@@migultantamco Malfeasance with its Vorpal Weapon catalyst is 100% the way to go now.
As of rn, Trust is my favourite handcannon in the game. The one I use has Dragonfly, Heating up, and stability mw. I agree with the placement tho, bc I've always felt it's more for PvE use than PvP, especially my role. It feels amazing tho, get one if you don't have one.
I think fatebringer is elite but other than that a damn good list. Thanks for putting this together
It's definitely one of the best
Its literally arguably the best HC in the kinetic, on a shortlist with Austringer and rose why is it not elite wtf
@@crymoreyes bc the flashlight can annoy a lot of people. personally i don’t find an issue with it tho. although, i find it harder to hit consistent three taps with ep fatebringer compared to a ep rose
No rangefinder means not elite automatically, season 22 will change this
@@SALMONCATCHER11 Fate is better already than all rangefinder handcannons. EP gives flinch, aoe, magnetism, less damage falloff, whilst fatebringer itself reaches 33m without rangefinder and also has eye of the storm.
Is anyone else really confused by his perk nitpicks? He says Fatebringer can't be elite because its perks hold it back when it literally has Eye of the Storm + Explosive Payload (arguably the best, most consistent perk combo for handcannons in the game), and then when he talks about weapons like the Steady Hand he gives freaking mulligan and honorable mention and places it in elite above Fatebringer? How does that work? Palindrome has a completely dead column 3 with no consistency perks but its the cannon he praises most highly, while Austringer is completely stacked with godly PvP perks like Eye of the Storm, Opening Shot, Zen Moment, Rangefinder, Snapshot, even Air Assault for building AE, but he criticizes it for "not having the greatest selection of PvP perks". This tier list legitimately makes zero sense, it just seems like he rated whatever is most popular most highly and whatever isn't was put low on the list. Also, why include NF and Luna's when they are both sunset? They are the only sunset options on the list, their inclusion is nonsensical. And putting Crimson that high when it is literally one of the worst handcannons in the game? You can't peak shot with it so it can't compete with other handcannons, it doesn't have the range of pulse rifles so it can't compete with pulse rifles, and it lacks the ttk of shorter range options like smgs and sidearms. The only primaries worse and more out of place than Crimson are auto rifles. Crimson only works against bad opponents with no primary shot who can't use cover. As a fellow PvP lover and a handcannon main, I have to say that this tier list is kinda shite. For a 28 minute video, its kind of shocking how little useful information was given on each handcannon, and how many inaccuracies were made. How can anyone gush about how Rose is a "stat monster" when it literally is not from a statistical standpoint? Let's compare Timelost Fatebringer (which was rated lower) and Rose for a second. In terms of base stats, Fatebringer beats Rose by 3 range, a whopping 12 stability, only has 5 less handling (which is easily made up by the adept masterwork and adept icarus), and only 1 less aim assist. Reload speed is a throwaway stat, the only stat where Rose really has a compelling lead is in Airborne Effectiveness, which wasn't even mentioned in the video. AE is the real appeal of Rose, not stats. Rose actually has extremely garbage stability for a 140 handcannon in the kinetic slot, Austringer has 14 more base stability and Eyasluna has 19 more base stability. And in order to make up that stability and get to a reasonable number you have to sacrifice its high base handling by running heavy grip, at which point you're still going to have less stability than the other meta kinetic 140s. Rose is, on paper, the statistically worst handcannon that is considered meta, its popularity stems primarily from its high AE and lightweight bonus. This was a poorly made tier list that seemingly had very little actual thought put into it. If you are considered an authority on the crucible, you should at the very least aim to not say blatantly incorrect things in your videos about a topic you are supposed to be knowledgeable about.
Only one I hard disagree with is Dire Promise. As far as I know it had one of if not the highest aim assist out of all 140s, on top of having solid perks and a great reticle. You can also roll different reticles on it so it can get higher zoom than other 140s.
No hand cannon reticles grant zoom. Dire is slim and steady, feels better almost all other handcannona, but you haven't lived until you've fired eyasluna with whatever combination tickles your fancy. Dire is great, but it's power crept
And then there is me continuing to use the Ace of Spades to solo end game content.
Could not disagree more on Trust. I’ve been using it nonstop since getting snapshot explosive and it is insane
exactly, that and VEPECULA in the okay column??? i cant take this seriously
All 180s are subpar by virtue of a 1s ttk with comparatively mediocre range
It's not the feel. It's just the practical usefulness. Four shot unboosted ttk is 1s, and unlike 120's with the same tkk, they don't reach as far or hit as hard
I have never watched your videos and only see your takes on Twitter… but this is an awesome video, good info, background music, with good gameplay and a splash of humor. Well done!
Crimson was a sleeper for so long !
I like to use my crafted Zahoulis Bane with enhanced explosive payload and incandescent in pve content, and its feels great. However, i never wanna use it in grandmaster-esque content cause i prefer longer range primarys
Crafted Zaouli’s Bane is literally diet legendary sunshot in pvp and I use it in place of sunshot whenever I can’t have an energy exotic
Bottom dollar is underated in this list, with insane perk combos like rangefinder and explosive payload, it has the highest range out of any 120 hand cannon in the game. It feels good to use, has a clean sight, and a good origin trait, yeah you have to play gambit to get it, but that shouldn't affect it on the tier list as a god roll of it is just incredible.
Love the editing and voiceover, thought I was watching an Ahoy video about some famous weapon in media. Keep it up!
HILARIOUS football reference, god its nice to hear some British culture references in a sea of American creators, I will assume you are a Liverpool fan by the comment made in your video, if so know that the mighty Tottenham hotspur will be marching on into a year full of trophies next season ;)
I love the sky high optimism that comes with the rampant, incessant denial that stems from being a Spurs fan LMAO
Thorn makes me so sad. I got my first Thorn the day after the big balance patch that buffed it to a 2 tap on D1 dropped. It was a good day. I miss when the poison actually justified the exotic slot
YES FINALLY A NEW ASCENDANT NOMAD TIER LIST
DAD IS BACK FROM THE STORE!
Did he get the milk?
OK... Am I the odd one out here ? when Zhaouli's bane came back, me and my clan were amazed by how it performed in PvE ... incandescent and explosive rounds made it feel like an exotic to us, and i'm sure that i've got more than 3 thousands kills on it (which as someone who changes weapons to play with like shirts, is a lot)
Love ascendant nomads videos but admittedly i don’t understand the theme of youtubers making tier lists right before a new season! Anyone watching this during the season of the deep, a few of the hand cannons look like they could be pretty good picks, but nation of the beasts after the rangefinder buff has a good chance to become top tier, not only because of a new perk pool, but its also now craftable! Has an amazing keep away exposive payload roll, and a memey(?) roll of hipfire grip offhand strike. Don’t know how this feels on a hand cannon yet but unironically an incredible roll on heritage, my personal favorite roll on the gun. May have some potential on this. Worth a try for some funky stuff if you get it as a random roll!
Got a godly Crisis Inverted with Extended Barrel so it’s pattern is 100 with ricochet rounds, tunnel, and ranger finder with range master work and dear lord it’s so crispy it brings me back to the D1 Omolon Handcannon days and that was when you could order guns from Banshee every Wednesday and get nasty ass roles.
There is also Optative, which used to be kinda strong when it released, especially when paired with something like OG mountaintop (sure, you could just shoot the person on the body, but whats the fun in that?) You could rock that perk that made you change faster with empty mag (forgot the name) on mtt, kill clip on optative, any decent perk on third column, tune it for range, shoot near someone with MTT, insta-change to optative to finish the person off, reload and you have a not forgotten, pair that with its excellent feel and movement exotics and well... you could just run over 6x6's, unfortunately i lost the opportunity to craft its reincarnation when i didn't have time to play during season of the wish. I hope it comes back soon, also i'd like to see how sightline survey would compare with the ones on this list, especially as a fan of the 180 archetype.
interestingly, i started playing the game in season of the chosen, having picked the game up because of xbox game pass, and having played D1 growing up (17 now), and dropped waking vigil in my first hour of playing the game, rangefinder dragonfly and it's still to this day my favorite handcannon i have
For Zaouli’s Bane there’s some kind of weird zoom bug or reticle placement that makes it really weird to use. You cant even see your hands it’s so zoomed in
With the zhaouli's bane, one of the main reason is its sights are muuch wider and just chunkier then any other hand cannon, making it feel and act as if its close range
Great list! I have a few Roses but my favourite has slideshot and explosive payload. I have a True Prophecy with opening shot and explosive payload... happy to see that I farmed the right Hand Cannons.
I am currently farming Gambit for Malfeasance... and just got sunshot which I am loving but testing it out before I bring it into the Crucible.
Also, got a midnight Coup with Firefly and Rampage which is lovely when you get rampage going (which is easy to do because of FF)
I have a few others on your list except AOS and Last Word. But after this video, I think it's time to add them to my hand cannon collection as well.
Yeah, i love my zaoli's bane in pve but im like, only 80 percent accurate with it, it feels like im holding a brick in my hands instead of an actual handcannon.
I see you were also working on the glaive tier list as well. Nice. 😎
Sadly didn't see my all time favorite, kindled orchid. Kill clip + rampage was such a legendary perk combo for its time.
FINALLY! I was trying to look for one of your (Ascendant Nomad) "tier lists" for Hand Cannons but there wasn't one so I'm happy it appeared in my recommended feed
Trust, Duke and Not forgotten are my favorite.... Though I use the Halo CE Magnum because it's a handcannon in sidearm skin plus uses special letting me pair it with a primary without having to dual primaries... I hate doing that.
I am talking pve/gambit btw.
For pve, I actually find 120s quite enjoyable to use. High enough damage profiles without having to get into smg territory. Scouts can feel awkward in that middling range, so if your play style is too aggressive for scouts and not enough for smgs, I recommend a good 120
Out of all the HC's on this list, I somehow always default back to Eriana's Vow above everything else. Aha. Crimson, Ace or Trust were my go-to until I got the EV catalyst done. Might not be meta in any way but damn is it satisfying to use, especially in pvp with a Titan throwing hammer to soften up the unsuspecting first. Don't think I'll ever get bored of that unwieldy chunk of metal as my personal #1.
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This gun can roll demo plus wellspring
Gives a bunch of energy since I’m sick of spamming Ogma and it’s kinetic slot.
12:13 I’ve had an overflow+osmosis dire forever it’s so good
16:13 Aw yeah now we’re talking! Eye of the storm+opening shot is one of the smoothest feeling weapons I have ever used
20:13 one of the more satisfying weapons I have used in any game; back in D1 I would log on just use this weapon.
21:17 Aus/Eyasluna felt just as good as I remembered from D1. Truly a Destiny moment
Man I love hand cannons
This was a fun video
I’ll never get rid of my demo/wellspring something new. It’s a nice handcannon especially with it being stasis. People just didn’t tinker with it enough when it launched and forgot about it
Where's crimil's dagger and nature of the beast?? 2 solid hc's left out
For DFA, just you wait for the Fragile focus buff tomorrow, just you wait.
Crimson will be your ride or die if you give it some attention
DFA might get nasty tomorrow, should’ve waited until Fragile Focus changes to rank it properly, super excited to try DFA and Mindbender after tomorrow’s buff
good call i already liked mine with opening fragile focus, can't wait to try it after the buff
Sunshot is a PvE weapon it’s amazing for adds! Like if you aren’t using Sunshot and Malfeasance in PvE you’re WRONG
Zaouli is quite decent in pve, incandescent with explosive makes for a fun explosive build
Crimil's Dagger having Moving Target + Opening Shot should be illegal. Mine had the luck to roll with those, Sureshot, Accurized and a handling MW and I've never put it down except for Lumina support builds. My only guess is that it's never been made available because it was so good and it dodged the Sunset wave as we got a million 120s at the same time shortly after it came out last.
Zaolis is probably the only pve hand Cannon . Explosive payload and incandescent. Does have a strange feel to it though .
3:25 - Valentina is a nice middle ground between Tabasco and Ketchup. OR, mixing a hot sauce of choice with ketchup; delicious!
my perpetual motion + moving target Eyasluna (stability mw) is by far the best hand cannon I've ever used. perfect
I've always been a hard Rose Enjoyer. From when it was simply a quest weapon to unlock my absolute favorite habdcannon in the game, to it now being a ranked based drop of a monstrosity, Rose has always solidly been in my inventory(yeah...even when it was sunset. Huge copium until they brought my baby back). Rose, Bottom Dollar, Lumina, Eyasluna, Igneous Hammer, and Seventh Seraph(Silence, no questions. I have my reasons) are all among my top favorite Dueling weapons post Trust/Dire Promise murder. *My original Masterwork Godroll Braytech Werewolf also sits in my inventory, from when it was first introduced. I also have 3 more, each for different purposes and playstyles...*
I use an Astringer in pve, Ahmkaras, tripmine and exploding knife .... nades refresh the melee, melee refresh the nade timer **big badabooms** demolitionist perk on astringer for if i miss a throw and end up with long CD's .. pop a couple of headshots and i can start badda booming again
I am critically addicted to the space cowboy playstyle, in both PvP and PvE, particularly on my Hunter. Thus, Deadshot Golden Gun, Lucky Pants, and Last Word have carried me through the last two DLC campaigns, Strikes, Gambit, Crucible... literally everything I play in this game
I have so many well rolled hand cannons in my vault that I just never use because I moved on to things like autos and smgs after all the changes to the Magnificent Howl twins. Maybe I'll dedicate a day to messing around with the god rolled Eyasluna and Rose that I've never used.
I will say though, I think Frontier's Cry should be higher. 180s are the one exception I've made as I try every new one out to chase that old high and a well rolled Frontier's Cry is the closest thing I've felt to what Luna's Howl was. Obviously it doesn't reach the ranges Not Forgotten did back then, but it definitely catches people off guard. Even better when you can refresh Kill Clip.
I literally switch between Zoauli's Bane, Thorn and Austringer 😅 I find Zaouli one of the most comfortable hand cannons to shoot.
I miss my Trust, I never used it for PVP, not really, but it dropped with dragonfly and a few others. I had so much fun getting headshots and making them explode.
I know its sunset but KINDLED ORCHID should of been an honourable mention, the rarest KC + Rampage is Iconic
Was wanting to pick this back up now I can have the time to play again glad to hear my number one best hand cannon took me from below ten kills to over 20 deaths to mid 20's with less than 10 deaths Ace of Spades my boy
Zhaolis bane is great in pve with the right build, it’s like a mini sun shot with incandescent
Any comments on Epochal Integration? I love its look and feel and sound. It’s a static roll weapon with a couple of options from Stats for all or Keep away and then Eye of the Storm or Incandescence in the next column (This is not to forget it’s intrinsic of Nano trace rockets as well like Round Robin). I enjoy the weapon a lot when I’m not using Sunshot and it’s a limited yet unique package I think.
Eriana's Vow needs a specific way to play with in order to make it good. All by itself it's bad. With buffs it becomes a one shot kill which makes it very good. Another way to use it is with handcannons that have quickdraw so you can use that same trick we used to do with bows.
Tbh I love Exalted Truth more than Palindrome lol got the adept one with hammer forged, accu rounds, rangefinder, encore / frenzy with range MW and it feels great
Just like you said: Pali is a 'boring' weapon
Frenzy perk takes 12 seconds to trigger, i have exact roll but with extended barrel.. but when Frenzy perks is triggered, its a showtime~!xd
Zaoulis Bane roles with incandescent and explosive payload. In PvE it can be insane.
Spare rations godroll was my first ever legendary drop back in 2020, so glad its back now. S tier
literally today i was just like “I need new hand cannons to go after. I wonder which ones are worth it” and you post this video. Thank you man
5:29 I'll stick up fot Zaouli's in PvE. I have a crafted one with Enhanced Explosive and Enhanced Incandescent it does a really good job at chewing through ads, though I will admit it's probably not great on higher end content. Still, it certainly has a place
As a resident Waking Vigil main, I take great offense!
It not only rolls some of the best perks for aim assist and weapon feel you can get, and has sight options over barrel options, which tend to have a greater stat package, it also did get buffed with the other former 150s, putting its stats back in line with other hand cannons. I highly recommend one with a high handling, with Fastdraw HCS, Handling masterwork, and your mag of choice (mine has High-Cal), with Targeting Adjuster, I have 88 Handling and 92 Aim Assist, plus Opening Shot and Rangefinder to make it even stickier. It trades slightly less range compared to options like Austringer and Eyasluna with similar parts, in exchange for a significant Handling bump and a slight aim assist bump. a It's a fantastic weapon if you prefer weapon feel and bullet magnetism over other perk options, it is most certainly not an "Okay" weapon! The only hand cannon I have seen that feels even remotely close is Rose with Quickdraw and Snapshot.
As for PVE I think Crimson is top teir. It has a 24 round mag, 3 shot bursts and reloads with precision hits. Not a bad gun for Hand Cannon lovers.
I'm not so sure how I feel about zaouli's bane, in pvp I've never used it but in pve with explosive payload and incandescent it's fantastic granted tho not in gms or master raids but everywhere else it's great, I'm really surprised it was so low
I really love the way Loud Lullaby feels to use. It's heavy and clunky, but it hits hard and sounds great. It gives me the feeling of driving a miniature semi truck into somebody's skull. Kinda like how Arbalest felt back when it first released.
Love the vid. I’m a PvE main who is getting tired of running the same activities over again, and now I feel better about loading up for my next comp match so I don’t absolutely choke my next game
on your opening remarks me and my friend have been having fun with hawkmoon and malfeasance repectively for boss dmg when we didnt have any power ammo or supers
Malfeasance is now Great with the Catalysts.
On another note, I started using Last Word again... Damm it's pretty solid still inside it's intended range.