Can I buy that chair, that sounds awesome! I brush my teeth, with unlicensed fluoride. My teeth now shoot out of my mouth like daggers. :D (this may or may not be fictional, read at your own risk)
If you make a hat, and you're not a certified hat maker; your head will explode...It's true! My cousin's' brother's best friend's uncle's brother, knew this guy, whose aunt's friend's brother's brother-in -law's boss had a cousin that was in the military, and stuff, and he said he saw it on a video on Before It's News which was on TH-cam! There; PROOF; TO ALL YOU DOUBTERS!!!!!!
Marine Mechanic here of 13 years here. That guy is absolutely full of it. As long as people do the job correctly with parts that are appropriate for the equipment it will work. You dont need to be a certified dealer to do the correct job.
100%. And there's nothing that says in-house, certified dealers can't screw up. Had a safety recall on a Ford Focus a couple years back. It took them three times to properly repair the door handles and hinges. *Three times* because parts were either faulty from factory or they failed to install them properly. And if you're using the wrong part for the job? Who's really surprised that would cause problems down the line, like using the wrong grade of bolt to hold the engine in place (Ford techs, yet again). Parts quality issues have nothing to do with R2R - manufacturer parts can be faulty too. Quality of work done has nothing to do with R2R - you can get better service from a Firestone tech than a dealer tech in my neck of the woods. Whether you have the choice of where and how to repair has to do with R2R. This testimony is blowing smoke.
@@BlackSunCompany as a rule with all my vehicles i never take the to the dealer or OEM. In my experience they are more likely to cut corners than a small shop that will thrive or die on word of mouth. I trust smaller shops to do a good job because they want the business. The dealers use fear as a tactic to get you back in and i dont respect that. Theyll charge you and arm and a leg then get a first year apprentice to have a crack at the work with no supervision so they can save a few bucks.
Sorry, less heated response. The majority of repairs can be good repairs if someone does their best AND they have access to all the jnformation they need.
A certified technician was charging 200 bucks to install my water heater, I did it in 30 minutes, that was 3 years ago, no leaks or any issues with it.
@@Teporame Always done a majority of repairs on my vehicles. Why pay somebody who is asking $600 to replace my brake pads and rotors when I can do it myself for $100. Why pay a guy $200 to change a sensor when the aftermarket sensor is held on by one bolt and costs $30? Businesses are even fraudulent, at times. Sorry business owners, but on this earth it's called Karma. On top of all that, the user manuals tell you what parts are compatible. This guy in the video did not make 1 valid point...
@@num9908, Right to repair is designed to allow technicians AND the vehicle owners access to vital information such as wiring diagrams for example, needed to repair a vehicle. Look at Tesla. Other than in MA where R2R has passed they refuse to give information out, even if you're willing to pay for it. Things like this create a monopoly and force you to return to the dealership or manufacturer for maintenance and repairs. Even in MA, tesla gives only a minimum of info out. The other manufacturers are licking their chops at the money making opportunity denying information creates. Tesla has even gone a step further by rendering certain features inoperative if you go to an independent facility for a repair, even in an emergency situation. As far as your distrust of repair facilities goes, perhaps you can replace your brake pads and rotors for 100.00. With the current crop of vehicles offering numerous driver aids including automatic braking, if you install substandard parts or even non approved parts, you can be held liable in case of an accident. Your insurance company can also deny a claim legally. I'll bet you didn't know that now, did you? In many cases, just the brake parts cost well over 200.00 per axle. Using your line of thinking, that means the business would have to do the work for free to make you happy. Do you work for free?
Tell me about it, but i just Paid 5k for ford security access and flash files for all ford computer modules + diagnostic connectors I just did a turbo on a newer 2016 6.7 powerstroke. There was a fuel pressure troubleshooting code stuck in the PCMs diagnostic system from past repairs. I had to recalibrate the whole PCM just to ship it with out the check engine light on.
His body is trying to create something for him to tear out before he starts ripping at his own scalp. It's like a fight-or-flight response against his own anger.
as a service enginer for over 40 years some of thes guys just want to keep hold of what they have and it makes me sick all they are doing is scare mongering when i say a service enginer i mean it literale i whould put a new cap in a mcub or say a transistor or a diode i was not a valve jockie thats the differance in a good service enginer or a jockie anything to save the costomer monnie i got more trade by good word of mouth ps i worked on all domestic appliances the last job i looked at was for a friend the hotpoint washing mech control board had gone could of bought the replica part on line but hotpoint refuses to give out the codes to reprogram the new mother board you had to get a hotpoint enginer out to fit the board and put in the codes its a joke. sqweeze out the wee man they want there cake and eat it.
I haven't watched the video yet, I had to stop before the testimony because I'm already so mad. I can tell you from personal experience: Someone close to me in my life was able to turn his entire life around by working on boats. This person learned to repair boat engines independently. He later went on to get various certifications and licenses to fixing cruise ship engines and all kinds of crazy stuff. This guy is doing extremely well for himself and I am so proud of him. I don't know the specifics of what he does day-to-day, but I can tell you what his life was before, and what it was after. It was 180 degrees. His entire life changed *SPECIFICALLY because he taught himself how to fix boats.* The idea that boat repair is going to be reserved for some special class of golden people is not just wrong, I take it as a personal insult. I take it as an attempt to ruin this person's entire career before it even would have had a chance. I'm absolutely livid thinking that some idiot out there is going to try and discourage people from doing even the most basic of things with the things they own, because "it'll explode, it'll catch on fire". It's not that I'm saying there's not a danger associated with boating, or with engine repair, but to say you're not allowed to do that? No. Get lost. I saw self-teaching save the life of someone I care about who was down a very, very dark path. Boat repair gave him an outlet to commit himself to. It gave him a drive that I've never seen. It grounded him and taught him not just how to fix a thing, but very basic things he never appreciated before: discipline, dedication, studying, hard work, time & effort. These things are the foundational blocks you need to succeed in life. Boat repair taught him these things. I would gladly give any man a beating who tries to take that away from this person I know. This guy isn't just an idiot, he's advocating something that I find to be both personally repugnant, and outright destructive. The world needs mechanics, and mechanics need time to learn. Screw this guy for suggesting to take that away from someone! I can't even express how angry I am at this guy.
I would feel immensely more safe on a boat with an owner that has the knowledge and practical skills to fix any problems out at sea than with someone that depends on a Certified Technician back on land.
Yep, being a disabled Navy veteran and a Submariner, I know exactly what you mean. You can't call up AAA or a wrecker to pickup your boat in the middle of the ocean or even a lake. What happens if your engine breaks down while boating in a river? Good luck getting a marine mechanic out there on a helicopter. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some marinas on freshwater and saltwater that offer sending the mechanic out by boat to your disabled boat. VERYYYYYY expensive. Basically this "technician" is fear mongering law makers into believing NO one but a "certified" technician can make repairs to a boat engine effectively. Granted, the parts for a boat engine are specific to the environment that it operates in, i.e. down below, sealed starters and solenoids to prevent open sparks, etc., but, with a proper maintenance manual and parts list, I'd say a "landlubber" mechanic could effect repairs just as effectively as a "certified technician". That is mostly for inboard, 4 stroke engineered boats. Now, outboard, 2 stroke engines and their requirements are a different matter. I remember my Dad cussing the Mercury company left and right because working on THOSE engines required very specialized, EXPENSIVE tools that you could only get from the Mercury dealership.
@@markhermann5097 That's... a pretty melodramatic misrepresentation, snowflake. Must be interesting living in a world where everyone you disagree with politically are some sort of saturday morning cartoon villains. Pathetic, but interesting.
It's free trade when fixing a computer or a TV. Boats are different altogether. Peoples lives are at risk and people doing something they have little or no knowledge in, can result in death or serious injury. From shitty wiring jobs that can instantly burst into flames, all the way to a simple generator on the back deck, nearly carbon monoxide poisoned a couple and their dogs. It's a dangerous pastime when done right, with shoddy, unskilled labour, and using 'hope' as a strategy for repairs and maintenance, I guarantee cluster fucks ahead.
My dad is a mechanic and engineer and the first thing he taught me, when I was a boy, was that I should never trust a mechanic (especially at the dealer). They're in business to tell you that everything is complicated and too hard to work on, because it goes against their wallet to tell you otherwise. The good mechanics are the ones who tell you the truth rather than shanghai you for $$$. Those are the ones who are worth giving your money to. Same applies to IT and computer repair guys. That's what makes Louis a good one.
i found a service in my hometown (Europe), those guys are pretty honest. I mean i recently had my oil and filters changed at them, for the price of 75$ (work hours included), then i went and searched for the exact some brands on different sites and the price for all of them was about 80$. When i asked them about this (i asked 1 guy, the service engineer) he said that they receive discounts as they buy a lot and some brands even give them money if they use their parts. (Borsh, Mann for ex, which are trustful brands in europe). The downside is that, you wont get your car fixed in the same day or if its something harder to do.. not in the same week. their workload is insane.
I fix watches. This is so true. Heard so many stories about what people have told them or the manufacturer has told them or quoted them for a repair. 🤦🏻♂️ I charge them a modest amount, and perform only the service/repair they need or ask for and nothing more. But, similar to the tech device, I can't get parts as much and it's getting worse. I just need a piece of glass for a watch and they wanted me to jump through all these hoops. I'm like it's a piece glass! And another company told me I wasn't "authorized" to install battery in their watches. 🤦🏻♂️ I replace batteries in Oyster Quartz, Rolex all the time. Yet somehow this $300 or less watch, I somehow NEED your authorization for. Ridiculous.
I work in IT. I gurantee you can learn to do everything yourself that a tech can do for you. Even learning to code. The Certifications and degrees just serve to gatekeep and, presumably, to verify you have been exposed to certain information.
@@comanmircea8195 That's awesome. I never understood markup on parts for repair. Maybe for the time to get and/or find the parts but not 70% markup. The money should be made from skill and labor not bs price points. Pay for parts yourself people, unless you cant find the part.
I was almost killed because I was afraid to work on my motorcycle so I took it to a certified dealer. I simply got a flat on my rear tire. The bike was shaft driven which I had zero experience with. So instead of removing the wheel and tire myself like I would normally do. I had to haul the whole bike down in the back of my truck and drop it off. Anyway they fixed the flat and called me to pick it up. 500 bucks to fix this flat because they had to drain the gear oil and all the things associated with shaft driven bikes. Anyway two days later I had to take a 300 mile ride to rocksprings WY. The technician that worked on my bike didn't tighten the drain plug for the gear oil and it fell off sometime as I was going 75 mph down a two lane rural highway. All the sudden the rear wheel locked up and I was fucked. Laid a 200 ft skid mark on the road a two foot skid in my pants. And there I was in the middle of nowhere on a 100 degree day stranded with one 12oz bottle of water. Unknown to me I was really lucky that a fellow worker was a couple hours behind me. If I would have been the one that tightened that drain bolt I would have been ok because it's my ass on the line.
I've had a Yamaha and still have a Honda with shaft drive, the wheel comes off the non-drive side without affecting the differential in any way. Best advice for bike ownership is to purchase a service manual even if you don't work on them your self so you don't get hosed by dealer "service".
That's ridiculous. I hope your bike was able to be fixed, and for your underwear, well, sitting in a pile of shit sucks but thankfully washing machines are a thing.
There's something really wrong with a system where clueless idiots can talk to other clueless idiots about stuff that affect highly skilled professionals and their clients
@@bosstowndynamics5488 The issue with that is the people making the decisions behind these bills are clueless to even know who would be qualified to consult on these issues. If they were to try and reach out to someone more "qualified" in the situation, they will more than likely just get a lobbyist talking to them, because they will contact these corporate lobbyist organizations due to their strong marketing presence on these issues. This is where it's our responsibility to go to these hearings and fight with our knowledge and professional experience.
Clueless person: Just stick this thing into this hole and it's cause an explosion. non-Clueless person: That's not how it works and that's the wrong hole. Clueless person: That's what she said. non-Clueless person: (－‸ლ)
Ignorance is not an excuse. All this people using the safety argument should provide statistical evidence about deaths caused by independent repair shops and if they can't provide it, their argument should be considered as nothing but a unconfirmed hypothetical. You don't need to be an expert to demand evidence and use reasoning.
People like to enjoy their time on the water in Maine as boating is a highly enjoyable recreational activity for people that live in Maine. Why do you question a certified boat dealer that just wants to help Maine's citizens enjoy Maine's waterways?
he's talking about being explosion proof. marine engines operate in compartments with limited ventilation, so gas fumes are a huge concern. boats blow up. never ever start a boat without sniff testing the engine compartment. boating rule #1. Marine starters and alternators are shielded so the brushes do not expose sparks. Anything else high voltage must be well protected and maintained in order not to spark. marine carbs overflow into engine instead all over engine when float sticks. tinned wire should always be used so it doesn't disappear in the wet environments. marine gaskets also avoid steel since they are often raw water cooled. Much of this is taught in boater safety courses which should be mandatory. and all should be applied when fixing your own boat, which most of us do. Right to repair marine is extremely important, keep up the great work guys!!! our club's new etech outboard is a nightmare..
@Dougie - Exactly - thanks for the good explanation -- but the argument for "right to repair" is that the Manufacturer would make the correct parts available (for Boats, the parts are readily available in any case), and would make the correct service information available, that would highlight the need for the correct parts and the safety reasons for not fitting general auto parts. Personally, I repair and service my own boat, and have the confidence that it is done right, and that if I have an issue out on the water, I have a good understanding of what is going on in the engine compartment, so I am confident and happy when setting out on a trip that I most likely, will be able to deal with most "on water" issues.. BTW On a very few occasions, I have has a "Factory Trained, Qualified Marine Mechanic" do work on my boat, and in almost every case, the did not do the job correctly, leaving off Washers when re-installing the out-drive, and fitting a fuel pipe that then leaked badly, because they cross-threaded the connector. yes, in that case I was very luck that my boat did not EXPLODE after a certified mechanic worked on my engine !!!!
Nailed it... I am a boat owner and work on my own boat... It absoultely IS a hazard if you try and install car equipment (alternator, starter) on a marine engine... However, i should have the right to work on my own stuff.. period. If i blow my own stuff up by negligence... Welp its my own damn fault. your mechanic lost me at "i'm not a marine mechanic"
bikelitez No no no.. you're putting others at risk too! But yes, I do agree on the fact that IF the manifacturer provides the parts there wouldn't be these problems. Right to repair would solve this rather than create chaos.
This is the correct answer. It comes from having a non-boat starter that has a spark danger. Stern drive Boat starters are designed to have no exposed sparks do any vapors that have collected in the engine compartment can’t be ignited. You have to turn the vent on before starting the engine to reduce that risk.
This also ignores the fact that most sterndrive boats (at least all the ones I've been on in the past 24 years of my life) have a button or switch to vent fumes from the engine compartment before you turn the engine over. It's usually labeled something like blower. We have never done a sniff test but instead just run the ventilation system for the thing for a good 5 minutes before starting. Turn it on when its first put in but before the trailer is removed and it should be fine by the time you park the trailer and return. We don't usually turn it off until a bit after starting the engine or if its been running a while (like 10 minutes) and we are about to set off. While I didn't witness it happen I do know that someones boat did blow up near where I usually take my boat.
Yup. If I were on that panel hearing this guy I would have stopped him right there and said "Thank you for your time, but the goal of making your private business profitable and sustainable is not the objective of the government. That is your responsibility." And I would kindly show him the door.
Starters and alternators for Marine have spark arrestors. This claims to limit the spark energy on brushed contacts to prevent ignition of gas fumes. Boats tend to be sealed so gas tends to collect. Boats have powered vents that should vent the gas but those can fail and often don't work. So the arrestor is the backup. It's still crap though. I'm not certified and I often point out errors from the certified techs. Right to repair doesn't mean you have to repair. If you put in the wrong part you're are liable for the damage. If you don't know what you're doing don't do it. You should have the right to choose.
I was going to say it's something to do with the fact that the motor is in an enclosed potentially unvented space and if gas leaks it can cause detonation Prudential or just fire. That said the guy should have elaborated on how that could happen and why the parts for boats are different
Sorry to tell you the only thing different from a marine starter and a normal one is that its enclosed. You can buy enclosed starters for many applications and not just marine. If you boat builds up with fumes then your boat sucks. Its the design and should not be bought.
Years ago, I went to the Motorcycle Mechanics Institute and got a Harley-Davidson certification (I don't work in that field anymore). At my first job at a Harley dealership, I got my own bay and was plugged into the shop. There was this older guy there, probably mid 40's, that was sweeping up and moving bikes around, but he wasn't allowed to work on bikes. He had built his own chopper (it was pretty sweet I might add) from the ground up and CLEARLY knew more than I did, but they couldn't hire him without the certification. The industry has created a situation where the only way I can work on bikes is to spend 20k at MMI. However, I didn't know anything. Sort of like when I graduated college. Just shows that you are able to be competent in the future. I have always been very suspect when someone says, "We must use a certified technician". Because I was one, and forgot to put oil back in the bike and didn't realize it until after the test ride. This channel deals mostly with Apple, and I have never seen an Apple Tech Institute, so I damn well know that those Apple store techs don't know shit.
yeah after i got out of UTI 9universal technical institute ) worked in a Ford dealer i would find things like leaking water pumps (which means its about ready to fail) and was told "dont mention it the customer will have to pay for that and we dont wanna warranty it" or i would find barely hanging on wires lines etc, it made me leave the industry.
That's why I never sharpen my own pencils. An explosion in my hand could be VERY SERIOUS. Be sure to read the label on your underwear as there is a front and a back and it must be worn correctly or a mild case of death can occur.
The right to repair isn’t about “boats” or “MacBooks” or “John Deere GPS antennas” or whatever specific thing you’re thinking about. The right to repair is about the possibility of having another option, or at the very least learning yourself and if you want to risk it, work on your boat motor. Just know if you blow it up, there’s no warranty to save you.
Most of the issues that happen do happen outside of the warranty, and for the few that happen within the warranty, the dealers (be it cars, boats, Apple or whatnot) will try to scam you into believing that it was your fault and the issue is not under warranty and make you pay. Like Louis keeps showing us Apple liquid damage :)
@@RS-uo2nd of course i don't want things banned. If i spill shit in my Apple then i should have the option to have my shit repaired by someone for a fair price not for the exorbitant prices requested by Apple "engineers" who will replace your shit or ask you to pay a certain amount to actually replace your shit instead of just trying to repair it. I think some would call this to be laziness on behalf of Apple repairmen. Sadly.
@Lady Mercy the electronics industry are rife with this especially the phone companies. Products are designed to last a year and then be replaced with latest model. The reason the old Snap On tools and Rolex watches hold their value. Lifetime warranty.
@@RS-uo2nd - if the End User pays for the item, damages that item, why are they not expected to fix that item? No, you now must pay whatever exorbitant amount that their licensed technicians and “geniuses” mandate, the cost of which often is just a bit less than the price of the item itself. Shameful
"Repair should be done by CeRtIfIeD tEcHnIcHiAnS because MODIFIED!" "Layman don't use correct parts" → Then make the correct parts and manuals/datasheets available to them!
this is the truth the only reason people are burning these so called boats to the water is because they don't have access to parts and other info that companies are keeping secret because money. also boat fires are 7% of the time caused by the engine the rest is the battery and people shooting fireworks off in or near the boat.
Clarification of starter explosion theory: The reason he says starters may cause explosions is due to the normal sparks generated in the solenoid and on the armature when the starter is energized. Boats engines are usually contained inside a closed compartment on the boat. Since the compartment is closed, fuel vapors can collect inside the compartment when the engine is shut off. When you attempt to start the engine, the sparks from the starter can ignite the fuel vapor causing an explosion. Marine starters are sometimes "sealed" preventing the fuel vapors from coming in contact with the sparks. There are also systems on boats which run a fan that forces fresh air into the engine compartment. The fresh air displaces the explosive fuel vapors, preventing an explosion. Usually the "captain" of the boat has some prior training and is aware of this issue. I absolutely agree with the right to repair. If you purchase something, it is yours to do whatever you want with it.
Even if you don’t have the title of captain, if you’re an inboard boat owner, you better know to ventilate before starting. It’s as basic as knowing that you don’t want to drive a car on flat tires. It doesn’t matter what brand of starter you have installed, you ALWAYS need to ventilate before starting
currysini85 Even fresh water can conduct electricity. Water must be very clean to become an insulator. Salt water is a better conductor though. In any case, regardless of who worked on your boat or what parts they put in, water getting into the electrical system is gonna cause you to have a bad time. You could (if you’re a lobbyist) argue that an individual could forget to put the drain plug back in when dropping the boat in the water for this reason, but that’s sorta like forgetting to check if your tires are flat in a car. You’ll notice pretty quick if you forgot, and it can be pretty expensive if you do. And draining the boat when you take it out of the water is like a preventative maintenance thing you should always be doing. Shouldn’t need a service tech to come out every time you take your boat out of the water
Ah, so run the bilge blower before cranking the engine if it's a gasoline noisemaker. Luckily Right to Repair won't demand people to forget what they've presumably been taught to do already and if they weren't, they may already be dead.
I thought you knew, consumer boats have nuclear reactors installed standard. They just look like your average engine. And the control rods look like spark plugs.
In the U.S. you have to prove Libel for false printed accusations, slander for verbal, or perjury if someone is under oath. There is quite a high bar for stuff since you have prove you were damaged for slander and libel. Perjury isn't really relevant here though. You can't have laws like this since they'd be used against you, not lobbyists. Even if you could you'd be giving Google, Facebook, and Twitter even more power. I'm sure that will work out great.
@@deoxal7947 I think it's more of a "purposeful misinformation" than defamation or perjury. Although it would be awesome if people speaking at these events were put under oath. It's exactly why we have laws against false advertizing. If you say a bag will be made out of canvas, but it turns out to be ordinary polycarbonate, you should be required to not only replace the bags you sent out for the ones you promised, but a fine of 1k to 10k per verified complaint.
Just remember, don't re-shingle your own roof or your house might explode.. Story Time: When I was in highshool (No this isn't a "When I was your age.." It was in this century), In our first year of automotive, me and a friend, who both had the same knowledge about engines, took it upon ourselves to do an engine swap on a 90's Toyota with an engine from a similar car from a different year. Essentially the same engine. Part 1: Drained the oil, removed the wiring harness, unmounted the engine, etc. Took 4-5 hours. Part 2: Mounted the new engine, wired everything together, etc.. Another 4-5 hours. The swap worked perfectly and years later, it still runs properly. If a student in his or her first year of automotive can do a full engine swap on a 2000lb vehicle in all of 8-10 hours only having a bit of knowledge from informational text and a number of hours in Car Mechanic Sim, then your uncle joe who's been repairing engines for 20 years can go to Nappa Auto Parts, buy that starter and get the thing running without it blowing up. (Since I mentioned it. Car Mechanic Sim is actually a decent game to learn the basics of vehicles. The most recent release is CMS 2018, which costs less than $20 on Steam)
My dad works on everything with a motor. He has no "formal experience" for this, but has been working on machines his entire life because he grew up on a farm. He's worked on everything from a small RC electical motor to a combine tractor and yes, many boat engines. Nothing he has fixed has exploded, except that one time he cut a corner patch-fixing a push mower. He was going to buy a new one, as the damage was too great to resonably fix in a permament way, but couldn't get his wagon back that day. So he fixed the one he had, and halfway through me mowing it, the top burst open with a spray of liquid. But I digress. This guy is paid off.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. just stop, we see what your trying to do. On average the guys father has worked on more variety of motors and engines than most ppl.
If his argument is that any non-informed person can cause a potentially fatal explosive, shouldn't that be an argument for the bill? Making it easier for the average person to access the necessary information?
I'm in my 42nd year as a mechanic. I started in automotive and in my 41 yrs I have experience on automotive (American and foreign) , lawn mowers, golf carts, bulldozers, cranes, bobcats, backhoes, trackhoes, light and medium duty truck, pressure washers, tractors, combines, gas and diesel and 1 helicopter. The guy in the video has just one goal, retaining control on his share of the repair business. This is also practiced by the automotive manufacturers by preventing the aftermarket from access to parts and technical knowledge in order to repair their products. The "scare tactics" he delivers in his speech are for the most part, bullshit. What he fails to understand is "shade tree" & "DYI" mechanics will also net him business after they screw up an attempted repair. If I lived in your part of the Country I'd gladly accompany you to that next meeting, I enjoy exposing "ignert" folks like that.
"Anybody can change spark plugs, but only a certified technician can understand why it matters to each specific engine." So . . what your saying is that anyone can do the job, but if you want to understand the theory behind it read a book. You might as well say anybody can turn on a light, but only a certified light switcher can turn it on or off for you because they know why it works. Damn that was just the most insulting statement I've heard.
Bout the only thing specific to the engine is the "Gap" the spark plugs need set at. Other than that, knowing Iridium plugs will probably wear out faster than Platinum plugs if you're supposed to use Platinum could be engine specific. If I remember right, Platinum handles the higher operating temperatures of modern engines better.
to be fair, you can certainly change spark plugs without understanding how they interact with the rest of the vehicle.. just like you can flip a switch to turn on a light without understanding how electrical current flows through a house. Ignorance isn't really an insult, it is a temporary state that remains so long as you don't pursue understanding something... willful ignorance or being intentionally ignorant to avoid changing stances on something is different... but everyone is ignorant in everything until they learn about it. being certified wont have anything to do with it, but researching it would i guess XD.
Exactly. As long as the manufacturer lists what plug I'm supposed to use, there is zero risk of me installing the wrong one. So why do I need to understand why they chose this one and not that one? I don't.
Seriously WTF... Why not just make the Information available as to which spark plugs are acceptable. It's so freaking easy to do plugs and wires. Just make the Information readily available.
@@shaynegadsden ... depending on the field you may not be able to work without one ... i'm changing careers now and i have to get certified if i want to work ... is as simple as that . You may still find cheap/stupid clients to pay you without cert but without cert you can't sign off for use, can't give warranty, can't insure the work against possible mistakes and definetely can't receive legal money to self sustain legally . So by working without cert in my new field you break more laws than you may dream about and no customer that has serious job would work with me . Plus i've actually learned at these courses theory and practical as well . education and diplomas saved me 2 times and gave me freedom and money. I'm actually applying what i've been certified for
@@shaynegadsden the right to repair should be about providing independent qualified people means and info to be able to repair and mentain stuff ... not the average joe ... giving schematics to the local qualified technician that went and got educated and certified is miles different from giving it to the average joe that has seen few things and believes can repair rockets
There is a huge gray area in this right to repair movement and I agree with it about half the time until let's say you as the company can still get sued due to a accident/injury using you're product even though some crackhead technician tinkered with it recently. It's like why Tesla won't let independent contractors work on their cars because I see them still in the "Beta" stage of development and they are the only ones who understand the hazards and don't want ignorant people messing around in stuff they don't understand yet.
I am a boat mechanic on STCW vessels, I have a valid “unlimited” licence. Everything on a ship’s engine can be ordered from the manufacturer, or original parts sourced from dismantling yards. Some repairs and planned overhauls require the presence of an engineer from the OEM, but if they get pissy, we could get/manufacture the parts and get an approved contract engine refit company instead. In what I do (cable laying and dredging) we can easily get parts for anything for at least 25 years. If we could ne restart an engine because of a software lock after doing unplanned heavy maintenance 2000km from a harbour, there would be hell to pay!
I assume "STCW" applies to COMMERCIAL vessels and your licence is FOR working on COMMERCIAL vessels and NOT "personal pleasure crafts"? I ask as I know nothing about COMMERCIAL ship repair and would EXPECT required certification in that field
jason riddell yes, big boats here. My license is for 6000kW and above. It is also valid for yachts, but then the sea time does not count in my commercial log. I have not worked on engines smaller than 700kW (continuously rated power).
He's scared to lose his business, that's why he's against it. He has the monopoly of fixing boats in that area, because he/his company is properly/maybe the only ones who has easy access to diagrams and parts and whatnot. if manufacturers are required to give these out to the consumer, they could get the specification to read and figure out what is wrong, then buying and fixing it, cutting out the middle man, who is this guy/company. He is against it because he would lose money, just like Apple and etc. He's is scared for thing for things to go wrong but if the consumer had the right to know what is correct and what goes were wouldn't that decrease the risk? All in my opinion of cause.
gotta minimize threats when you dont have the competence to run a business. He didn't even have the competence to read his script in a nonmonologue tone.
"Incorrect spark plugs installed, many times by un certified shops " which means that many times, incorrect spark plugs are installed by certified shops as well.
Im sure this old crook did lots of repairs in his backyard when he was young without any "certified technician" looking over it. This is only because he is greedy now, thats why he is lying here.
hit the nail on the head.. Im in the tattoo industry.. I know MANY people that started out tattooing out of there home.. then get certified and all of a sudden has a hate on for people that tattoo out the home.... they're all hypocrites man..
Gents, I 100% agree with your argument. The reason a starter can cause an explosion is as follows:. He specifically mentioned inboard engines. These are engines which are in an enclosed cavity that isn't ventilated well and can have gas fumes present if other things go wrong. Marine starters are rated "explosion proof". It is a standard starter that has been through a process to seal it way above and beyond what automotive starters are. This sealing process seals up all of the openings on a starter that could allow a spark from normal use to exit the starter and enter the enclosed gas fume filled cavity. Other than that paul's pretty much spot on....and I will continue to support 100% of your fight for right to repair.
I had most of my ASE certifications when I worked at a car dealership. I know guys that have no certifications that are much better mechanics than me. Certifications just means you're good at passing a written test. It is not a reflection of your experience and skills.
@@g-low6365 yeah it's time effective cost less time and so what you spend a little more money when I work on laptops sometimes it's cheaper to just buy a whole new assembly with everything in it than to actually fix it
@@TwoDollarGararge i know its less efective. but in vehicles. the cost of replacing could be much higher. at least down here (im from argentina) we´ve been repairing stuff for decades. i dont have anything against replacing parts. what im against is companies that dont allow you or anyone with the knowledge to repair something.
how much do you want to bet the marine dealership wants 3 times the price for a starter built by the same supplier as NAPA does, customer just eats the mark up.. OEM these days is orininal manuf mark up plus he gets the installation at 100 + dollars an hour..
Am a mechanic, that guy just wants to ensure the money flows through his company. You can indeed find schematics and information for engines like Yamaha's.
Thank you for advocating for right to repair right to repair means something to me I've repaired my cell phone myself and it's done nothing except work right to repair is a very important issue you have inspired me to go ask my lawmakers in Ohio why we do not have right to repair because that gives me access to the manufacturer repair information whether it be DeWalt Milwaukee Makita Metabo Bosch Ridgid it gives access to chips in resistors and capacitors so I can repair a burnt-out battery charger and keep those devices out of the E-Waste stream
The guy in the hearing is obviously a boat dealership that doesn't want "jobber" competition. This guy is an Apple repair center version of Yamaha outboards fight against people like Rossman fixing something for half price because "jobber" parts are a different brand name. May save consumers money, what a horrible thing to do.
I do agree with Paul that it's not only bullshit but misinforming people when you can't rebut someone's testimony. That's what everyone is there for. Have an open debate with the experts and whichever side makes the most sense, they win.. Very nice presentation and keep up the great work. Don't get discouraged or distracted.
Here’s is a story about so called “certified techs” being superior. I had a Dodge Durango years ago. It was not high mileage (maybe 50k) and it was experiencing what felt like a transmission issue. It felt like it was slipping. Took it to dealer they couldn’t find issue initially. Then they reproduced it and said the transmission was the issue. They ended up replacing the transmission. Got it back, same issue. They still couldn’t figure it out. This is the “authorized, trained, certified” by OEM dealership of Dodge products. I spoke to an independent mechanic and he said “Oh I’ve seen that before, check your TPS that can cause a similar issue”. Well I went and bought a $36 Bosch Throttle Position Sensor and removed 2 screws and replaced it. Problem fixed. The issue was not related to the transmission at all it just felt like it. Certified or factory authorized does not equate to a better mechanic. More often than not experience trumps a factory printed certificate.
bingo! worked at a small shop after 6 months of working at a "stealership". we fixed so many simple issues people had that showed up with thousand dollar quotes, half of which was stuff they didnt need at all, and they'd walk out of our shop with $100 repair bill and a smile on their face
Don’t get me wrong though on one point. While my boat, motor, or car/Jeep are under factory warranty I always take it to the dealer. I have them perform all warranty repairs because it is their responsibility and I do not need to pay for it. There are many independent shops that have no other motive than to diagnose and/or repair the issue you came in about. Selling you extra filters and wiper blades is never anything I have been pressured with at an independent shop. Dealerships are more likely to try to up sell items.
90% of the time when a mechanic can't figure out why one of cars won't start or run right after replacing starter, battery, etc. we usually find out on our own that it's an O2 sensor.
Just had a similar experience. I am an independent mechanic and have new customer was referred to me (I only take referrals now,no advertising or soliciting. I did solicit when I started) The 07 Lexus RX350 was diagnosed as a fuel pump failure by a shop with ASE certified mechanics. I did my tests prior to replacing the fuel pump and the issue was a heavily clogged air filter and gummed up throttle body. BTW I am not ASE certified. I am not allowed to take the tests because I didn't take classes at a recognized school.
@@MERCNRY If anything ASE certification seems to brainwash them into only taking certain diagnostic routes and to come to certain conclusions, and ignore anything else that they haven't even checked.
'Will fit' to me, means the part is a specified replacement for the OEM part. Marine starters, alternators have spark arrestors installed on the vents for their housings or cases. The intake is covered by a flame arrestor. These arrestors are to prevent any spilled fuel in the bilge from igniting. This guy did not explain this to the panel but instead opted for the worst case scenario. He is full of shit for misleading them to make his point.
I thought you knew, consumer boats have nuclear reactors installed standard. They just look like your average engine. And the control rods look like spark plugs.
About aftermarket starters leading to explosions. The explosion is of the starter gear itself, inside the engine where it interfaces with the main flywheel gear. It doesn't mean the boat explodes. It means, usually, nothing happens but lights dimming when you hit the starter, or maybe a nasty grinding noise until the starter is removed and replaced or repaired (yeah - you can actually fix them pretty easily when this happens). If the engine is even as well designed as my 1940 Ford tractor, there is even a little well in the bottom of the bellhousing to collect those bits. Yes it is so common that they accounted for it in a design from over 80 years ago. Even when the magical factory's authorized techs installed OEM parts at the stealership. Of course, they also sold those things with the specific not only approval, but hands on education on how to repair and rebuild every part of the thing. They would deliver it on site, and go over operation, repairs, everything. I long for those types of days and to be done with such bullshit as what this (financially motivated) con artist is spewing.
This guy is just Schilling for his industry and his business. Even with a certificate ect... working on engines I've had them fail, yet because I do have a background in mechanical engineering I was able temporarily make a quike fix get back to shore. Not allowing people to work on their property and learn makes society stupid.
That's the point. It's easier to get money out of stupid people. As a salesman, stupid people are great, because I just have to say "Buy this product because it's better. You should add this onto it because it'll be better, and don't forget the warranty!" Stupid people will just go with it, you have to actually know your stuff to sell to a smart person, and honestly explain to them why they should buy something.
Im afraid idiots like this will make it illegal for me to work on my 1990 crx, that's ive head for 20 years now, and only i work on... i don't see certified repair centers keeping cars on the road for 30 years like i have. Empirical evidence says that non certified is better than certified...
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 you're right they definitely don't want to individuals having the ability to repair their property. Its common knowledge that proper maintenance will keep cars and products going longer than the industry expects which also hurts their business. And sadly trying to impart the knowledge onto the younger generation seems to be failing. Hell when a teenagers don't know how to start a lawn mower and weedeater theres definitely a real problem in America society.
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 Everything has its place, I have known uncertified shops that have ruined a few cars, but there's consumer protection laws that cover that stuff, and they can be held liable for those damages, so there is really no issue here other than short sighted corporations that can't see an opportunity to make money off of selling parts, schematics, and tools.
No, you should float alone into the ocean because the right certified mechanic is on the other side of the US and doesn't have a boat... I also would be arrested if I went to these...
Thank you Louis for having Paul react to that testimony I believe I should have the right to repair not just my boat my car my truck my wireless equipment my cell phone my computer and anything I own
Manufacturer backed repair is the same thing as authorized repair in the Apple ecosystem we all know authorized repair is there to sell you a new device not to fix your current one
A whole lot of us "normal folk" have had to fix things on our own, or get a friend/ friend of a friend, just to get by in life. We live pay check to pay check. This idea, that we must return to a manufacturer technician to do basic maintenance or repair, was dreamed up to price us "normies" out of the market. The people who run this world detest us and would like to see us disappear. Its the same as "If we can't swim, then we must sink, rather than work together to build a raft." But these people at the top know they can not thrive, as they do, without us. So, THEY build US the raft and CHARGE us to use it. If you can't afford the fee, well "sorry, we made you a fair offer," and also "you still can't build your own raft."
Boats are expensive to repair by nature, dont buy a boat if you cant afford the repairs. You’re only putting others safety at risk, goes the same for not fixing your car.
Lady Mercy cmon, boats are pleasure craft you dont need to compare it to farmers and their machinery. Just because you can afford a boat doesn’t mean you can afford boating.
@@jimappdev so by your logic, I can get someone killed by changing out my own tire by placing it on a rim I own? Either you're lazy or you have something to loose by those of us who know how to turn a wrench. Take your socialist agenda to Europe, we have a second amendment in this country to defend against this sort of thing. They gave that up in Europe, so you'll do just fine.
@@jimappdev no, the problem here is that you want to play in absolute. I said I can get someone killed by changing my own tire. But this went so over your head because obviously you don't know a damn thing. And sadly, you are permitted to drive over the road. Obviously, I was and always will talk from the perspective of being able to work on my own property as I see fit. The problem is people like you, who are lazy, and ignorant. Who don't bother reading manuals, technical maintenance standards, and are shut-ins who don't talk or socialize with other people to try and learn from others. Worse part is, that changing the tires out of a rim has been a standard practice that hasn't changed in the last 70 years. Only it's lost as common practice due to the intensive labor involved. Just because you are a loser doesn't mean everyone will allow you to drag them to your level.
Dude acts like he's a small business owner. his company is huge by my eyes. and all he's trying to do is stop the flow of money coming to him by his customers who could easily fix their own boats if they knew how simple it was if they had access to the parts, tools, and info
common dont you see all the boats exploding?this has to be stopped!Just yesterday the Boat of my buddy exploded because he as put it into the water with the wrong end first....
@1234 They aren't poorly designed. In fact, they are designed very safely based on USCG regulations that have been developed to prevent accidents that have occurred before, but, when someone who thinks they know all about engines because they changed the air filter in their pickup truck changes things on a boat engine without knowing what those regulations and design are, bad things can happen all over again.
Exactly, if I take the risk of having my stuff repaired by an "unlicensed" technician and it ends poorly, then that should still be my choice. This weird, rising percentage of the population who would rather government and big business be their nanny and tell them what they should or should not be doing is disgusting to me. This has only been magnified from this Covid pandemic. The fact that there are still people out there wearing one or even TWO cloth masks out there, despite the provable and verified studies that show masks have a statistically insignificant effect on preventing the spread of the virus, shows me what sheep about 60% of this country really is. I mean... I can't even muster the energy or desire to think of them as actual people. You're just subhuman garbage in my book.
Dealing with marine and all engines in general, I have grown up in the helicopters/ships of Coastguard... The biggest issue with marine stuff is proper ventilation to engine compartments. Big or small, working blowers and open hatches while being worked on and being run. Not rocket repair, and like Pauls states, it is mostly automotive based with tweaks to deal with the wet environment. Zincs, fuses and ventilation are the key elements of concern. One point to make.....when people cannot/will not afford these dealership repair prices, they tend to limp things along and delay repairs, which makes things increasingly more dangerous. If they have access to repair themselves they will generally fix faster to make things safer faster. Competition drives better service, in ALL arenas. Capitalism which choices. Keep up the fight fellas.
Wow. That boat shop guy isn't a capitalist. HE'S WANTS A MONOPOLY. Burn him at the stake! P.S. this is just my emotional stance. I would be protectionistic too if I believed something was going to draw away customers ~ just not lobbying like that.
@Mr BuzzKill What in non-Regulated market prevent people from making every good an irreparable black box ? What prevents those manufacturers from creating a cartel ? Specially in industries where barrier entry is high.
Capitalism relies on competition for markets to work. Manufacturers compete to sell to customers, and to a lesser extent, customers compete to buy from manufacturers. Equilibrium is the point where supply and demand meet. Having healthy competition means there is plenty of marketshare and profit to be made at reasonable prices, and therefore the game is not rigged for only a few or one to win. If you want a truly free market, there have to be rules, otherwise monopolists move in and try to corner advantages or buy up all the competition to make it easier for them to control everything and exact their toll for passing through their industry.
Unfortunately too many people prey on those who are unfamiliar. I totally agree with Paul. He actually knows what he's talking about. Where i don't agree is where he says you can't build up raw gasoline. Modern engines are designed to deactivate a cylinder in the event of a misfire in order to prevent cylinder wash(raw fuel) and damage to the catalytic converter. Putting spark plugs that fit yet aren't "hot" enough to efficiently burn the contents of the cylinder, will lead to cylinder wash, and in extreme cases, scored cylinders, and bent connecting rods. I 100 percent agree for right to repair IN ALL parts of our lives. I couldn't agree more with his mention of substandard parts. They make the honest technician look bad. Because it's always the technicians "fault." Nobody ever considers the parts. The automotive industry would KILL to have internal module diagrams just as you have access to laptop diagrams. They use "security" as the excuse to prevent our access to this information. A lot of the things you're confronting within your industry, the automotive is slowly following. In a way, i can watch your videos and see what's coming. Although you may never see this lol, thanks for doing what you do Louis.
"Oh no, my outboard has developed an unforeseeable problem while out on the water! I know, I'll call my local licenced mechanic back on land to take it off my hands for a few days and fix it" Or I could have a look at it with the tools I have available.... The same way I have a small toolbox in my car, because no one likes being stranded in the middle of the countryside having to call family to bring a toolbox.....
Just think about the tens of thousands a cruisers on sailboats cruising around the world. Sometimes they are so far away from shore that it would take two+ weeks just to sail back. Passing legislation to restrict right to repair would eliminate manuals from existence. You want to carry spares on board your boat? Not unless you're a certified technician. Need that specialty tool to adjust your rolling furler? No-can-do. This would effectively cripple the sailboat cruising community. Maybe that's what they want. Can't have people living independently from the almighty government, you know.
@@jimappdev well, to be fair, people who buy boats are usually willing to get their hands dirty more often with things like engine maintenance and servicing because it’s just part of the experience for most owners- also going to a marine engineering outfit for a service costs big bucks, so people are usually happier to do things themselves where possible.
@@operator0 it's not about the government. It's about this shady boat mechanic (who is the only one in his region) is not getting paid to fix your boat if you fix it yourself. If it is illegal for you to fix it yourself, you have to pay him to fix it, or travel to another region to have another boat mechanic fix it.
Have Paul testify but AGAINST the next one prepare his speech in a way that destroys the flimsy arguments made by the others against it by being so ludicrious, literally just have him say 0:07 to 0:23 then answer questions in the most over the top condescending to the consumer way possible.
I’ve work on many things...big and small excavators, skidsteers, forestry feller bunchers, pickups, cars, logging trucks and trailers, trash trucks, school busses, probably the most expensive spray paver you could buy, road milling machines....but not a boat. I also live in Maine and I’m aware that boats are part of the ‘little guy’ economy with lobstermen & families. But I have been to a Scania marine application technician class. Scania is a heavy Diesel engine manufacturer for various applications which includes marine. I’ve also been to various classes for other brands of equipment. I’ve learned that ASE doesn’t mean anything other than that you can pass a test on paper and has nothing to do with proving your ability to even change someone’s oil properly, never mind diagnose an issue thoroughly, effectively, efficiently and safely. What little I do know about marine is that extra precautions are taken (ie spark arresters as some are mentioning) because if a fire starts on the boat, you have no where to go. (Think aviation mechanics although there’s a lot less risk with marine obviously). With all that said, Clark Marine is a boat dealer. Probably the equivalent of a medium to large franchise car dealership in terms of market share. You think this guy is gonna be on board with folks outside his business working on boats that he sold? That’s what it comes down to. You can see this right to repair deal with just about anything from a lobster fishing boat to a logging truck to a Tesla. I’d like to find a way to take this right to repair well beyond the notion of repair and into aftermarket parts that aren’t necessarily “performance” but superior in value and longevity to the OEM/manufacturers original part.
When the guy said he was a seasonal business I knew right then that he did not want to lose customers, he has to maximize his income and if others repair then it will take away customers, he has 3 repair shops so has a big cut of the market there. He really gave off a lobbyist feel with his lack of knowledge to.
Bruh, I grew up in a fishing town in Alaska, everyone has a boat, from 8 foot skiffs to 60' crabbers, those engines are built and rebuilt all the time by everyone. They aren't magic.
And why do they install the wrong spark plug? Because the tech doesnt have access to the information that let's them know the correct one to install... Most of these idiots are arguing our side
Eh, I'd take the plug out, take it to the nearest parts store, and ask them to find me an identical one. Chances are good they'll find one of the right diameter and length.
@@gfimadcat IIRC spark plugs have an identifying number on them somewhere. When i was wor,ing on some small i dustrial engines i would use a "hotter" plug to reduce carbon fouling. With cars i just used Platinum plugs when they became available. Then I never changed them again.
Is a marine starter have a "spark proof"(explosion proof) motor. You have fans(explosion proof) that vent the engine area before starting. If the vent fan is not working or not an explosion proof fan- kaboom( if the air/fuel mixture is right around 14-15to1). If the engine is a diesel instead of a gas engine, there's much less danger but with any in board engine you always want to be wary of fuel vapors.
Marine grade starters and alternators have spark arresters, they may also have some corrosion resistance. Other than that they are the same. Inboard engines are in a an enclosed compartment and can have fumes build up if the ventilation is inadequate. But that has nothing to do with the bill.
Bruce Daniels so kinda like he was saying that a marine engine is functionally the same as a truck engine, just with some upgrades specific for a marine environment. Bottom line, don’t run a truck starter on a marine engine. It’s designed for a system that is vented and open to the air and not something that’s within the confines of a metal box.
Putting a spark arrestor on a starter or alternator should not be that difficult. Just take them off the dead part and put it on the automobile part. Simple.
FAA Airframe Certificate holder here (for laypeople, that could be thought of as an airplane mechanic). There is a huge divide in the maintenance industry with regards to certification and regulation: consumer vs commercial. Passenger vehicles, tractors, and small boats are not designed to be operated to carry large quantities of people, are not for-profit (i.e. have no customers), and are not mission-critical applications. If a truck, tractor, or small boat fail you can generally pull over or just stop operations until the broken part can be fixed. In aviation (and heavy industries like cruise ships, freight trains, power plants, etc) you usually cannot just "pull over" if a part fails and wait for help to get it fixed. Hence why the aviation industry (and I'm assuming most other heavy or commercial industries) is heavily federally regulated and requires many levels of certification, authorization, and inspection for any repairs or service made. Joe Schmo working out of his truck cannot pick up a wrench and go to town on a passenger B737. Reason being is that if Joe Schmo messed up, he could potentially be killing hundreds or thousands of people. Now, that's not to say that federal regulation solves all these industries' problems...the NTSB has many records of planes crashing and hundreds dying of something as simple as the wrong pin was used to hold an elevator control arm in place, which failed in flight, causing the plane to be inoperable by the pilots, causing the plane to crash and killing all on board. However, the industry generally learns from its mistakes and - at the very least - aviation is far safer now than it was even 20 years ago. But, here's the thing to understand about regulation (at least in aviation, I'm assuming it's the same elsewhere), it isn't that Boeing is unilaterally deciding only company A can have schematics and repair their planes. Quite the contrary, any FAA-authorized service provider can pay Boeing a yearly fee and have access to full schematics and full diagrams to repair almost any part on the make/model of plane the manual is for. Any parts that are too complex, too difficult, or too expensive to repair are called LRUs and are generally just shipped back to the manufacture who will happily ship you a new part to be swapped for the broken one. In theory, you could apply to the FAA to become a certified repair shop, pay Boeing for their manual, then build a B737 yourself. The problem is that a B737 costs 83 million USD, so even most airlines rent or lease their airplane fleet instead of buying. So, what about Joe Schmo who owns a double-seater Cessna built in 1970 and flies privately in rural Arizona? As long as he goes to an FAA-certified school (I got my certification in one year at a local community college), passes the test, and pays Cessna a yearly fee, Mr. Schmo can do his own repairs and fly his own plane as long as he's following the FAA guidelines and not interfering with commercial traffic or business. Again, the main reason for this is safety. If Joe Blow fixes his Ford truck out of his garage and blows a head gasket on the freeway, he simply pulls over and calls AAA. If Joe Schmo (before he gets certified) buys a Cessna on ebay, fixes the elevator control arm with a paper clip from Staples, and crashes into his local airport, he can potentially kill many more people (including himself). Not to mention that getting a DMV license versus a pilot's certificate (even something simple like a glider) is several grades higher (and gets more difficult if you are flying to earn money and/or carry passengers). The same really cannot be said about consumer electronics, small marine boats, small automobiles, or farm equipment. There really should be no reason why an independent repair shop (other than corporate monopoly greed) shouldn't be able to pay Apple or John Deer some yearly fee to gain access to schematics and repair manuals. If the technician screws up, generally the worst that could happen is you have an angry customer. If there are enough screw ups, that company should naturally just go out of business. With industries like aviation any company willing and able to go through the federal regulations can become certified and then pay money to the manufacture to gain access to all the manuals and schematics, so why should the consumer market be any different. In aviation, federal regulation is mainly for safety. In the consumer space, it seems to me that the motive is pure, corporate greed.
Ya in the case of something like an airplane that if improperly serviced will almost certainly result in a fatality then it makes sense to require certified technicians, but in the case of boats, your average boat owner isn't going to be able to cause a fatality from having their engine die while on the water.
The truth is the people that fix trains are almost all industry trained while they work. You don't need a heavy-duty mechanic's license to get started.
Hopefully questions would be asked when Joe Schmo airlines tried to cram 1000s of people on a each 737. XD Seriously though, I'm an aerospace engineer, though I have limited hands-on experience with maintenance, we'll set the specifications and I am well aware of how important it is for it to be done correctly. I'd be absolutely horrified if I found out that passenger aircraft were being serviced by unqualified person. Thankfully though our industry (at least in europe and america) has relatively good regulation and oversight (except when it comes to the FAA's relationship with their favourite child, Boeing, but the less said about that, the better), and I don't think right to repair would have the slightest effect on that. I do take issue when a boat mechanic tries to keep the technical documentation and the correct parts for my phone, computer (or if I had a boat, that too) out of my hands because there is some super special sauce you only get with the certificate just to replace some spark plugs, or clean out a carburettor, that a non-certified person like myself cannot possibly understand.
Airframe and Powerplant student here- I'd like to add on to what OP is saying. There are special cases where a non-certified person can work on his own aircraft. Prototypes(he built it himself), I believe gliders, and Gyros. Other than that the most a pilot can do is change the tires, change the oil, basic small maintenance. But he can't fix a wing or overhaul his engine. Also any modifications that isn't factory issue such as switching out an engine for a different model requires paperwork to be sent directly to the FAA. So while yeah you can work on your own plane to a degree, it still needs to be recorded in the maintenance log. It's illegal if it's not on paper.
I lived on a sailing boat for 9 months or so. We fixed everything ourselves, including engine. The only thing we needed expert help for was when we had a problem with the refrigerator leaking coolant.
@@jesseamaya4413 only need a licence for freon anyone can buy a vacuum pump, gauges and recovery tank. They're just so expensive and bulky if you're not using it moderately frequently, doesn't really make sense to.
*Me:* "Do you want the bread crust cut on your sandwich?" *Him:* "Are you certified to do that?" *Me:* "Wha? No. Why would I need to be certified to use a knife, is it going to explode?" *Him:* "No, that's stupid. Knives don't explode, you'd probably just cut yourself." *Me:* "Well I'm very careful, I haven't cut myself y..." *Him:* "The sandwich will."
The only thing I found inconsistent to this hearing is this Boat repair shop owner started his testimony with anyone who modify's a Boat engine. I an a hobbyist Streetrodder, I have built a 69 Camaro and am in the process of building a 69 Chevelle with a 98 corvette drive train with the computer and fuel injection. He is right if someone installs a hotter spark plug the threaded shaft is longer and could interfere with the top of a stock piston which could damage the motor however only a fool would modify a stock recreational boat. I used to own a boat and Like Paul said I followed the factory maintenance manual when I repaired it. The only reason to modify a boat is for the sports enthusiast who races his boat and he probably replaces the pistons with pistons that accommodate the mod the owner wants to have for more horsepower. I know fumes build up in a boat engine compartment and the manufacture always states to open the engine compartment before starting it if the motor is an inboard motor, Outboards are completely different. This is scare tactics plain and simple.
will add you as a HOBBYIST will "teach yourself" enough to "properly" do what the manufactures / certifying board WILL NOT TEACH OR CERTIFY there techs to do so right to repair will NOT make anybody better "hotrodders" BUT will allow for safer / better repairs to take place
@@MFcitrous Yeah heat range is controlled by the heat conductivity of the materials and the heat conduction path from the center insulator to the where the plug seats in the head. The worst too hot of a plug will do is cause pre-ignition because of the high temperature of the center electrode insulator
Disclaimer: I'm an uncertified mechanic, and always worked on my own boats, cars, tractors, etc. While the boats I had tended to have outboards and were older, I never had an issue on finding manuals for any of the engines. I owned about a dozen over the years, and while there are a few differences that make the situation unique, for the most part it's correct when you say the engines aren't any different from any other engine you'd find in any other situation. The main difference between cars and boats is that a boat is an enclosed space. The problem this creates are heat build up and fume accumulation. On any boat I had the cooling system wasn't a closed loop like in a car, it draws water from below the waterline to cool the engine. If the exhaust and engine water cooling systems aren't maintained, the heat can cause nearby materials to ignite or overheat your engine and leave you stranded. A bigger danger is fumes from gas and oil building up in an enclosed space just looking for a spark to set them off. Normally boats are designed to avoid this. There's either a well to put the fuel tank into that has a low point that leads overboard or they have a system to vent gases out of the compartment. Honestly, the thing that bugs me most about this is it's implied that a certified mechanic is somehow better. Half assed work in the past from certified techs at dealerships is why I tend to do all the work myself these days!
As for the starter being an explosion hazard. He's being extremely dramatic. The "will fit" starter you buy at NAPA is essentially the exact same starter but usually just isn't SAEJ1171. Meaning it's not sealed as well and can potentially ignite fumes. The thing is though if theres enough fumes for the non rated starter to be a problem then there isn't a starter on the planet that doesn't have an equal chance of igniting those fumes. To answer Pauls question yes they do have courses and certifications for the Marine industry. Unlike the automotive industry, where you can be ASE certified on different regions of repair like brakes or transmission, you must complete each manufacturers certification courses, and you have to work in those respective dealerships to even have access to those courses. Also unlike the automotive industry there is no standardized scan tool interface. Separate diagnostic software and connectors are required for every single manufacturer. As someone who has worked in the Marine industry off and on for 20 years it's very frustrating.
I've been a boat owner all my life and I've always worked on my own boat. Where you need to take care is with inboard or inboard/outboard motors where the engine is encapsulated within the bilge of the boat, you must take great care that you aren't leaking fuel into bilge. You also need to insure that before you start a boat or before bringing an open flame into the bilge you run the blower for at least 4 minutes to make sure there are no explosive fumes in the bilge. If you don't have any leaks and you properly vent your bilge your boat won't explode. As for the rest, yes, there are parts that are different between a boat and a car due to the fact that it's a marine environment and all that moisture is harmful to non-marine parts. The biggest problem with non-marine parts is they'll usually fail more frequently than their marine counterparts. Having said that many parts labeled marine are just reboxed car parts. A set of points for your Chevy 260 are exactly the same whether they're in a Mercury marine box or a Napa box.
This guy at the board doesn't realize he's not even in the same position--He doesn't have a manufacturer preventing him from the repair of motorboats/engines, etc. Sadly I don't think the board knows the difference either.
boats always have a build of of gas smell by the engine thats why all boats with internal engines have bilge fans you have to start before you start the engine
Apparently inboard engines can build up gas vapors in compartments. If a starter is not running at the correct rpm to cool itself properly, it might overheat and ignite the vapor?
7:17 - The "will fit" part is referencing spark plugs that have the same bore and threading, but a different gap, arm length, etc and not having the right one will cause it to smash into the piston head, or will not allow proper compression before ignition (or wont ignite at all). So yes, you CAN damage an engine with wrong spark plugs. But.... Once again.... so? If you do a repair, that responsibility is up to you.
Certified technicians are trained sheeple. Card changers and sop followers. Experience and logical thought process trumps (really sorry about that one) certified nuts who HAD to do the training to be who they are. What in the world happened to friendly and honest service. Have been repairing and servicing since I could hold a driver.the repair industry has opened my eyes to aspects of humanity I would not have ever expected. You are truly fighting the good fight. Cheers from AUS..
irreputable? Most people that are going to do repairs have a general idea of what they're doing. Those that don't know what they're doing are likely going to get someone that knows what they're doing to repair it. LOL All this guy is doing is trying to make more money by the bill not passing, and his first couple sentences made that very clear.
My friend had a BMW G450X, real nice enduro bike. It started leaking oil, badly. He'd go out on it and after 15 minutes riding, the back wheel would get squirmy due to being coated in engine oil. He took it to our local BMW garage. A week later it's ready to collect. They kept it in their fancy indoor part, with all the special BMWs, it's a rare bike, so no surprise they wanted customers to see it. It looked awesome in their almost clinical forecourt. Stood there in a puddle of god damn oil. A week and 500 quid later, still leaking like they'd done nothing too it.
Ha, when I visited Oregon it honestly was an inconvenience having somebody else fill the gas, since the person to fill it was either slow, or legitimately running around back and forth trying to get to everyone. Good riddance with that "can't fill it yourself" rule.
The company would love that. The price of a shop these days is nonsense. To change the oil in my old Ford Taurus they wanted 600 dollars I was like naw I will just change it myself.
Lol bmw wanted 1200 dollars to replace a fan and shroud held down by one bolt. Took 15 minutes to replace and another 30 to replace the alternator, a/c belt and serpentine belt. Total 1 hour and 300$ in parts
I rebuilt a Chevy 4.3. that is a 350 with 2 cylinders chopped off. Only 1 time. Knowing nothing. I just followed the manual. Which I WAS able to rebuild and it currently is still running great with 70k miles on it
re: Exploding Starters Paul admits he's not a marine mechanic. So he might be unaware that larger outdrive equipped boats have enclosed engine compartments that don't ventilate like a car's. On a houseboat those 5.7L Mercruiser engines are sitting in an engine room/crawlspace below the main deck. It's possible for a fuel leak and even PCV leak to create a combustion hazard in the engine room. Flammable vapor in an enclosed space is a fire hazard hence the need for explosion-proof electric motors. Hence why you don't want to go to NAPA and buy an automotive starter for your 5.7L Mercruiser (which is a rebadged 350 Chevy with a marine cam). If a fire breaks out on your boat and you can't put it out with a fire extinguisher, you better know how to swim. Also, I forgot to mention: marine engines don't have radiators with fans like a car either. They'll either use straight lake/sea water for cooling or have an isolated coolant to water heat exchanger.
I am not sure if you have used napa and other parts stores online services, but typically if your looking for a part you can put in the information for the vehicle you want to fix and it gives you results based on comparability with that... I won't say that there are not going to be people who mess up, but having information posted about repairing these things would mitigate these kinds of mistakes... and even if you don't post the information, even if it was made illegal to do it yourself... it likely wouldn't stop people from doing it themselves, and more importantly, it wouldn't stop the people willing to attempt a repair without properly researching it to begin with...people who make mistakes like that by large are not the kind of people who would be putting in the time to research the repair to that extent.... and providing a location to purchase the correct equipment will prevent people from getting "the next best thing"
granted.... I wont deny that when it comes to a vehicle, self repair can be a dangerous thing, it is just that I believe restricting the information and items needed for a safe repair wont really solve the issue of user end repair attempts, and may make them worse....
But the same can be said for any safety-critical component on a car. If I replace my car's brake line with acquarium air tubing and it explodes when I brake, I'm probably going to crash and die. If I replace my suspension assembly and don't bolt it on properly I could lose a wheel (actually happened to my dad, and he had it done at the dealership...). Hell, even just replacing the wheel itself after getting a flat you could lose it if you don't bolt it properly. Point is as long as the replacement you install is the correct one and you install it correctly, there is no danger in doing it yourself. Witholding information about what the correct part and replacement procedure is will only make the risk worse, not better.
@@demoniack81 agreed! There should never be a monopoly on information. I should be able to go to a Chevrolet website and download all the information I need to maintain and repair my C-6 Corvette. I should not have to buy a license from GM to get the information. That should be a customer service. I do patronize a Corvette specialist because I am no longer young and flexible enough or have a lift to get to many of the parts that might wear out. Even oil changes are done by this mechanic because he inspects the underside of the car while the oil is draining. I cannot do that at home. In reference to pover boats I would never have an enclosed gasoline engine. I would always use a Diesel.
Its pretty common knowledge that if you replace parts with the wrong parts bad things can happen, the way to fix this issue is to have clear information on what parts the thing needs. If a spark-proof starter is vital then it should be clearly written in the owners manual or some other easy to access documentation that using a non-compliant starter is a explotion hazard... However, anyone who knows something about how engines work should know that having a gasoline internal combustion engine in a enclosed compartment is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE IDEA! why would anyone do that, its STUPID. Newsflash, the starter motor isn't the only thing bolted to a motor that can cause sparks, there are a LOT of things in there that can create sparks.. What I'm getting at is thanks for the warning, I'll make sure to never go on one of those boats, why would you even wanna have a chevy 350 in a boat anyways, let alone in a enclosed compartment?
If my 10+ year old car needs a new engine, I'm getting one from a junkyard. There are no other options from a certified dealer. I'm getting an engine from a wrecked car that was rear-ended. They are certainly not going to get one off the lot and if the "new" one has any parts that need to be replaced that will also be on me. Estimates are squishy that way.
@@KesSharann true, there is no way i will get new car engine on my corsa 1.6 atleast in my country so only option would be buying whole car with engine and getting it replaced (if u know to do so) or paying mechanic for enigne replace
Okay having been a Marine engineer on a ship and a Marine mechanic in Rhode Island for several years. I do understand the issue with the starter. The issue is not with the windings of the starter it's the solenoid. If there is a build up of gas vapors which does happen and the solenoid is not marine grade the spark that's generated when energized could cause an explosion. Which is also why they install engine bay blowers with explosion proof motor to evacuate the gas vapors before starting the engine. On the spark plugs I believe he is referring to the old two cycle motors. You can buy different spark plugs of different "heat" which is for different operating temperatures. If you don't know this then you could put the wrong plugs in and cause the engine to run rich. On a two cycle the suck, bang blow is quite different and you can smell more gas if the incorrect spark plugs are used. Last of all NAPA is one of the few auto parts stores that have marine engine parts. Lastly having been around boats for most of my life I have seen many mistakes made when repairs or upgrades were made to boats. Most of them look like dyi projects and can cause electrical fires or systems failures. Some repairs are simple and if you have some mechanical ability and care about what you are doing they can be done safely and correctly. What I do see is a business owner lobbying government to stick there noses into something they know nothing about. Bringing regulations like that will only drive up service costs for boat owners and encourage more dyi projects with possible serious consequences.
Marine starters and alternators often have a gauze type arrangement as a “spark arrestor”. A car has a ventilated engine bay, a boat engine is usually in a sealed environment, Hence the paranoia about sparks in the engine bay. Having said that boatyards have a history of overcharging for work. Outboards are a different scene again.
I do agree with him about the starter and alternator on marine application are different. The components have spark arrestor built into them. Even the air cleaner is a spark arrestor. The engine compartment in a boat is sealed and doesn't have great ventilation like the cars in engine have. The vapors are more susceptible the ignition. There for boat starters and alternators have spark arrestor build into them. As far as spark plugs he is full of crap...
@@russellbourgault4520 Too long spark plug could hit the piston and cause damage, but ffs you manually turn the engine to see if you are not certain that plug fits to your engine and have right temp plugs, witch store should know to give since its same engine as in the car, if you have inboard engine. On outboard its separate thing and has any of the mentioned issues since those are separate units.. personally i dont even see the desire for internal engines, since space is cramp enough. On smaller outboards you can just lift the engine into the boat and do any repair there if need be, or utilize second engine if you have two or trolling motor to limp back to shore.. also paddles are a thing so personally i would not get away shore distance that i cannot paddle or swim, or use trolling motor as plan B or C if primary system fails.. that failing has nothing to do with maintenance as parts can and will fail despite manufacturers expensive maintenance plans
Dude is totally right. I worked on my own boat. I must have missed a step somewhere between dousing it with fuel and throwing a match, because it went bang.
"If you go to an unlicensed carpenter to fix your chair with a unrated hammer, your chair will explode"
It will burn to the ground.
Can I buy that chair, that sounds awesome!
I brush my teeth, with unlicensed fluoride. My teeth now shoot out of my mouth like daggers. :D (this may or may not be fictional, read at your own risk)
If you make a hat, and you're not a certified hat maker; your head will explode...It's true! My cousin's' brother's best friend's uncle's brother, knew this guy, whose aunt's friend's brother's brother-in -law's boss had a cousin that was in the military, and stuff, and he said he saw it on a video on Before It's News which was on TH-cam! There; PROOF; TO ALL YOU DOUBTERS!!!!!!
@@godbluffvdgg Alright Hollywood, checkmate.
According to statistics, Death-by-Repair is the most common cause of death - closely followed by Death-by-Listening-to-Hearings.
Marine Mechanic here of 13 years here. That guy is absolutely full of it. As long as people do the job correctly with parts that are appropriate for the equipment it will work. You dont need to be a certified dealer to do the correct job.
100%. And there's nothing that says in-house, certified dealers can't screw up. Had a safety recall on a Ford Focus a couple years back. It took them three times to properly repair the door handles and hinges. *Three times* because parts were either faulty from factory or they failed to install them properly. And if you're using the wrong part for the job? Who's really surprised that would cause problems down the line, like using the wrong grade of bolt to hold the engine in place (Ford techs, yet again).
Parts quality issues have nothing to do with R2R - manufacturer parts can be faulty too. Quality of work done has nothing to do with R2R - you can get better service from a Firestone tech than a dealer tech in my neck of the woods. Whether you have the choice of where and how to repair has to do with R2R. This testimony is blowing smoke.
@@BlackSunCompany as a rule with all my vehicles i never take the to the dealer or OEM.
In my experience they are more likely to cut corners than a small shop that will thrive or die on word of mouth. I trust smaller shops to do a good job because they want the business.
The dealers use fear as a tactic to get you back in and i dont respect that. Theyll charge you and arm and a leg then get a first year apprentice to have a crack at the work with no supervision so they can save a few bucks.
ITS LITERALLY JUST PARTS. NUTS BOLTS AND SCREWS
Sorry, less heated response. The majority of repairs can be good repairs if someone does their best AND they have access to all the jnformation they need.
"Certified": A word to make you feel warm, fuzzy, and broke.
A certified technician was charging 200 bucks to install my water heater, I did it in 30 minutes, that was 3 years ago, no leaks or any issues with it.
@@Teporame Always done a majority of repairs on my vehicles. Why pay somebody who is asking $600 to replace my brake pads and rotors when I can do it myself for $100. Why pay a guy $200 to change a sensor when the aftermarket sensor is held on by one bolt and costs $30?
Businesses are even fraudulent, at times. Sorry business owners, but on this earth it's called Karma.
On top of all that, the user manuals tell you what parts are compatible. This guy in the video did not make 1 valid point...
@@num9908, Right to repair is designed to allow technicians AND the vehicle owners access to vital information such as wiring diagrams for example, needed to repair a vehicle. Look at Tesla. Other than in MA where R2R has passed they refuse to give information out, even if you're willing to pay for it. Things like this create a monopoly and force you to return to the dealership or manufacturer for maintenance and repairs. Even in MA, tesla gives only a minimum of info out. The other manufacturers are licking their chops at the money making opportunity denying information creates. Tesla has even gone a step further by rendering certain features inoperative if you go to an independent facility for a repair, even in an emergency situation.
As far as your distrust of repair facilities goes, perhaps you can replace your brake pads and rotors for 100.00. With the current crop of vehicles offering numerous driver aids including automatic braking, if you install substandard parts or even non approved parts, you can be held liable in case of an accident. Your insurance company can also deny a claim legally. I'll bet you didn't know that now, did you? In many cases, just the brake parts cost well over 200.00 per axle. Using your line of thinking, that means the business would have to do the work for free to make you happy. Do you work for free?
Tell me about it, but i just Paid 5k for ford security access and flash files for all ford computer modules + diagnostic connectors
I just did a turbo on a newer 2016 6.7 powerstroke. There was a fuel pressure troubleshooting code stuck in the PCMs diagnostic system from past repairs.
I had to recalibrate the whole PCM just to ship it with out the check engine light on.
@@michaelh2034 I see that you own a car repair shop, so let me put this... lightly - shut the **** up. Go sell to someone else.
"If you don't hire a professional driver to drive your car, your car will explode"
Are you dumb?😂
Yoooooooooooo. I'm dying rn. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jimappdev you missed the quote signs and the Irony.
Same if you drive it on unauthorised roads.
@@jimappdev are you?
Stop torturing this man Louis, his agony is actually growing his hair back.
His body is trying to create something for him to tear out before he starts ripping at his own scalp. It's like a fight-or-flight response against his own anger.
as a service enginer for over 40 years some of thes guys just want to keep hold of what they have and it makes me sick all they are doing is scare mongering when i say a service enginer i mean it literale i whould put a new cap in a mcub or say a transistor or a diode i was not a valve jockie thats the differance in a good service enginer or a jockie anything to save the costomer monnie i got more trade by good word of mouth ps i worked on all domestic appliances the last job i looked at was for a friend the hotpoint washing mech control board had gone could of bought the replica part on line but hotpoint refuses to give out the codes to reprogram the new mother board you had to get a hotpoint enginer out to fit the board and put in the codes its a joke. sqweeze out the wee man they want there cake and eat it.
I haven't watched the video yet, I had to stop before the testimony because I'm already so mad. I can tell you from personal experience: Someone close to me in my life was able to turn his entire life around by working on boats. This person learned to repair boat engines independently. He later went on to get various certifications and licenses to fixing cruise ship engines and all kinds of crazy stuff. This guy is doing extremely well for himself and I am so proud of him. I don't know the specifics of what he does day-to-day, but I can tell you what his life was before, and what it was after. It was 180 degrees. His entire life changed *SPECIFICALLY because he taught himself how to fix boats.* The idea that boat repair is going to be reserved for some special class of golden people is not just wrong, I take it as a personal insult. I take it as an attempt to ruin this person's entire career before it even would have had a chance.
I'm absolutely livid thinking that some idiot out there is going to try and discourage people from doing even the most basic of things with the things they own, because "it'll explode, it'll catch on fire". It's not that I'm saying there's not a danger associated with boating, or with engine repair, but to say you're not allowed to do that? No. Get lost. I saw self-teaching save the life of someone I care about who was down a very, very dark path. Boat repair gave him an outlet to commit himself to. It gave him a drive that I've never seen. It grounded him and taught him not just how to fix a thing, but very basic things he never appreciated before: discipline, dedication, studying, hard work, time & effort. These things are the foundational blocks you need to succeed in life. Boat repair taught him these things.
I would gladly give any man a beating who tries to take that away from this person I know. This guy isn't just an idiot, he's advocating something that I find to be both personally repugnant, and outright destructive. The world needs mechanics, and mechanics need time to learn. Screw this guy for suggesting to take that away from someone! I can't even express how angry I am at this guy.
I would feel immensely more safe on a boat with an owner that has the knowledge and practical skills to fix any problems out at sea than with someone that depends on a Certified Technician back on land.
Beautifully said.
^This^
I, an ex blue water sailor, completely agree. A local towing service may be hard to find.
Yep, being a disabled Navy veteran and a Submariner, I know exactly what you mean. You can't call up AAA or a wrecker to pickup your boat in the middle of the ocean or even a lake. What happens if your engine breaks down while boating in a river? Good luck getting a marine mechanic out there on a helicopter. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some marinas on freshwater and saltwater that offer sending the mechanic out by boat to your disabled boat. VERYYYYYY expensive. Basically this "technician" is fear mongering law makers into believing NO one but a "certified" technician can make repairs to a boat engine effectively. Granted, the parts for a boat engine are specific to the environment that it operates in, i.e. down below, sealed starters and solenoids to prevent open sparks, etc., but, with a proper maintenance manual and parts list, I'd say a "landlubber" mechanic could effect repairs just as effectively as a "certified technician".
That is mostly for inboard, 4 stroke engineered boats. Now, outboard, 2 stroke engines and their requirements are a different matter. I remember my Dad cussing the Mercury company left and right because working on THOSE engines required very specialized, EXPENSIVE tools that you could only get from the Mercury dealership.
TRUEEEW
The guy literally testifies against free trade, for his own monopoly, wtf.
Welcome to the socialist tentacles of Agenda 2030
@@markhermann5097 That's... a pretty melodramatic misrepresentation, snowflake. Must be interesting living in a world where everyone you disagree with politically are some sort of saturday morning cartoon villains. Pathetic, but interesting.
It's free trade when fixing a computer or a TV.
Boats are different altogether.
Peoples lives are at risk and people doing something they have little or no knowledge in, can result in death or serious injury.
From shitty wiring jobs that can instantly burst into flames, all the way to a simple generator on the back deck, nearly carbon monoxide poisoned a couple and their dogs.
It's a dangerous pastime when done right, with shoddy, unskilled labour, and using 'hope' as a strategy for repairs and maintenance,
I guarantee cluster fucks ahead.
@@markhermann5097 Oh Jebus David. Here, I'll fix this for you....."Welcome to the monopolist tentacles of Agenda 2030"
@@tehklevster lol thankyou
The best thing my father told me was learn to fix your own things and you will never be ripped off.
Yeah, Thats the whole point to the Right to Repair Movement. Big Manufactuers are trying to stop you from fixing your own things.
Unless your time becomes worth more than the cost of fixing it yourself.
@@badsamaritan8223 that's immaterial. We don't even have a choice.
I went to an non certified mechanic and everything went well except now I have Tik Tok installed. Please help
you may have to go to a certified one because it sounds very serious
dude,, i'm addicted to tiktok... it's not right!! I need a group.. maybe i can sue too..
The worst thing that could happen is when an non certified mechanic would install Tik Tok on a boat.
Someone installed TikTok on my propane tank
I got my clock repaired and now it goes Tik Tok, smh
My dad is a mechanic and engineer and the first thing he taught me, when I was a boy, was that I should never trust a mechanic (especially at the dealer). They're in business to tell you that everything is complicated and too hard to work on, because it goes against their wallet to tell you otherwise. The good mechanics are the ones who tell you the truth rather than shanghai you for $$$. Those are the ones who are worth giving your money to. Same applies to IT and computer repair guys. That's what makes Louis a good one.
And plumbers.....don't forget us lol
i found a service in my hometown (Europe), those guys are pretty honest. I mean i recently had my oil and filters changed at them, for the price of 75$ (work hours included), then i went and searched for the exact some brands on different sites and the price for all of them was about 80$. When i asked them about this (i asked 1 guy, the service engineer) he said that they receive discounts as they buy a lot and some brands even give them money if they use their parts. (Borsh, Mann for ex, which are trustful brands in europe).
The downside is that, you wont get your car fixed in the same day or if its something harder to do.. not in the same week. their workload is insane.
I fix watches. This is so true. Heard so many stories about what people have told them or the manufacturer has told them or quoted them for a repair. 🤦🏻♂️ I charge them a modest amount, and perform only the service/repair they need or ask for and nothing more. But, similar to the tech device, I can't get parts as much and it's getting worse. I just need a piece of glass for a watch and they wanted me to jump through all these hoops. I'm like it's a piece glass! And another company told me I wasn't "authorized" to install battery in their watches. 🤦🏻♂️ I replace batteries in Oyster Quartz, Rolex all the time. Yet somehow this $300 or less watch, I somehow NEED your authorization for. Ridiculous.
I work in IT. I gurantee you can learn to do everything yourself that a tech can do for you. Even learning to code. The Certifications and degrees just serve to gatekeep and, presumably, to verify you have been exposed to certain information.
@@comanmircea8195 That's awesome. I never understood markup on parts for repair. Maybe for the time to get and/or find the parts but not 70% markup. The money should be made from skill and labor not bs price points. Pay for parts yourself people, unless you cant find the part.
I was almost killed because I was afraid to work on my motorcycle so I took it to a certified dealer. I simply got a flat on my rear tire. The bike was shaft driven which I had zero experience with. So instead of removing the wheel and tire myself like I would normally do. I had to haul the whole bike down in the back of my truck and drop it off. Anyway they fixed the flat and called me to pick it up. 500 bucks to fix this flat because they had to drain the gear oil and all the things associated with shaft driven bikes. Anyway two days later I had to take a 300 mile ride to rocksprings WY. The technician that worked on my bike didn't tighten the drain plug for the gear oil and it fell off sometime as I was going 75 mph down a two lane rural highway. All the sudden the rear wheel locked up and I was fucked. Laid a 200 ft skid mark on the road a two foot skid in my pants. And there I was in the middle of nowhere on a 100 degree day stranded with one 12oz bottle of water. Unknown to me I was really lucky that a fellow worker was a couple hours behind me. If I would have been the one that tightened that drain bolt I would have been ok because it's my ass on the line.
Sorry to say but your rear diff dosent need any attention if you are just getting a new tire and nothing else serviced
@@m-tminds3929 obviously you are clueless when it comes to shaft driven motorcycles....
You obviously cant pay the fuck attention
I've had a Yamaha and still have a Honda with shaft drive, the wheel comes off the non-drive side without affecting the differential in any way. Best advice for bike ownership is to purchase a service manual even if you don't work on them your self so you don't get hosed by dealer "service".
That's ridiculous. I hope your bike was able to be fixed, and for your underwear, well, sitting in a pile of shit sucks but thankfully washing machines are a thing.
There's something really wrong with a system where clueless idiots can talk to other clueless idiots about stuff that affect highly skilled professionals and their clients
@@bosstowndynamics5488 The issue with that is the people making the decisions behind these bills are clueless to even know who would be qualified to consult on these issues. If they were to try and reach out to someone more "qualified" in the situation, they will more than likely just get a lobbyist talking to them, because they will contact these corporate lobbyist organizations due to their strong marketing presence on these issues. This is where it's our responsibility to go to these hearings and fight with our knowledge and professional experience.
this is the definition of management.
Clueless person: Just stick this thing into this hole and it's cause an explosion.
non-Clueless person: That's not how it works and that's the wrong hole.
Clueless person: That's what she said.
non-Clueless person: (－‸ლ)
Ignorance is not an excuse. All this people using the safety argument should provide statistical evidence about deaths caused by independent repair shops and if they can't provide it, their argument should be considered as nothing but a unconfirmed hypothetical. You don't need to be an expert to demand evidence and use reasoning.
People like to enjoy their time on the water in Maine as boating is a highly enjoyable recreational activity for people that live in Maine. Why do you question a certified boat dealer that just wants to help Maine's citizens enjoy Maine's waterways?
he's talking about being explosion proof. marine engines operate in compartments with limited ventilation, so gas fumes are a huge concern. boats blow up. never ever start a boat without sniff testing the engine compartment. boating rule #1. Marine starters and alternators are shielded so the brushes do not expose sparks. Anything else high voltage must be well protected and maintained in order not to spark. marine carbs overflow into engine instead all over engine when float sticks. tinned wire should always be used so it doesn't disappear in the wet environments. marine gaskets also avoid steel since they are often raw water cooled. Much of this is taught in boater safety courses which should be mandatory. and all should be applied when fixing your own boat, which most of us do. Right to repair marine is extremely important, keep up the great work guys!!! our club's new etech outboard is a nightmare..
@Dougie - Exactly - thanks for the good explanation -- but the argument for "right to repair" is that the Manufacturer would make the correct parts available (for Boats, the parts are readily available in any case), and would make the correct service information available, that would highlight the need for the correct parts and the safety reasons for not fitting general auto parts.
Personally, I repair and service my own boat, and have the confidence that it is done right, and that if I have an issue out on the water, I have a good understanding of what is going on in the engine compartment, so I am confident and happy when setting out on a trip that I most likely, will be able to deal with most "on water" issues..
BTW On a very few occasions, I have has a "Factory Trained, Qualified Marine Mechanic" do work on my boat, and in almost every case, the did not do the job correctly, leaving off Washers when re-installing the out-drive, and fitting a fuel pipe that then leaked badly, because they cross-threaded the connector. yes, in that case I was very luck that my boat did not EXPLODE after a certified mechanic worked on my engine !!!!
Nailed it... I am a boat owner and work on my own boat... It absoultely IS a hazard if you try and install car equipment (alternator, starter) on a marine engine... However, i should have the right to work on my own stuff.. period. If i blow my own stuff up by negligence... Welp its my own damn fault. your mechanic lost me at "i'm not a marine mechanic"
bikelitez No no no.. you're putting others at risk too!
But yes, I do agree on the fact that IF the manifacturer provides the parts there wouldn't be these problems. Right to repair would solve this rather than create chaos.
This is the correct answer. It comes from having a non-boat starter that has a spark danger. Stern drive Boat starters are designed to have no exposed sparks do any vapors that have collected in the engine compartment can’t be ignited. You have to turn the vent on before starting the engine to reduce that risk.
This also ignores the fact that most sterndrive boats (at least all the ones I've been on in the past 24 years of my life) have a button or switch to vent fumes from the engine compartment before you turn the engine over. It's usually labeled something like blower.
We have never done a sniff test but instead just run the ventilation system for the thing for a good 5 minutes before starting. Turn it on when its first put in but before the trailer is removed and it should be fine by the time you park the trailer and return. We don't usually turn it off until a bit after starting the engine or if its been running a while (like 10 minutes) and we are about to set off.
While I didn't witness it happen I do know that someones boat did blow up near where I usually take my boat.
His first line of concern " The effect that this bill of right to repair would have on my business..." Shows his main concern
Yep. The free market in America is dead because of anti-competitive assholes like this guy
"Well it wouldn't allow me to gouge customers because they would be able to get fair pricing elsewhere, sir."
Yup. If I were on that panel hearing this guy I would have stopped him right there and said "Thank you for your time, but the goal of making your private business profitable and sustainable is not the objective of the government. That is your responsibility." And I would kindly show him the door.
Starters and alternators for Marine have spark arrestors. This claims to limit the spark energy on brushed contacts to prevent ignition of gas fumes. Boats tend to be sealed so gas tends to collect. Boats have powered vents that should vent the gas but those can fail and often don't work. So the arrestor is the backup. It's still crap though. I'm not certified and I often point out errors from the certified techs. Right to repair doesn't mean you have to repair. If you put in the wrong part you're are liable for the damage. If you don't know what you're doing don't do it. You should have the right to choose.
I was going to say it's something to do with the fact that the motor is in an enclosed potentially unvented space and if gas leaks it can cause detonation Prudential or just fire.
That said the guy should have elaborated on how that could happen and why the parts for boats are different
“I don’t know much about marine engines, but I’m going to rant about stuff I don’t know”
I wanted to say this also.
Sorry to tell you the only thing different from a marine starter and a normal one is that its enclosed. You can buy enclosed starters for many applications and not just marine. If you boat builds up with fumes then your boat sucks. Its the design and should not be bought.
Years ago, I went to the Motorcycle Mechanics Institute and got a Harley-Davidson certification (I don't work in that field anymore). At my first job at a Harley dealership, I got my own bay and was plugged into the shop. There was this older guy there, probably mid 40's, that was sweeping up and moving bikes around, but he wasn't allowed to work on bikes. He had built his own chopper (it was pretty sweet I might add) from the ground up and CLEARLY knew more than I did, but they couldn't hire him without the certification. The industry has created a situation where the only way I can work on bikes is to spend 20k at MMI. However, I didn't know anything. Sort of like when I graduated college. Just shows that you are able to be competent in the future. I have always been very suspect when someone says, "We must use a certified technician". Because I was one, and forgot to put oil back in the bike and didn't realize it until after the test ride. This channel deals mostly with Apple, and I have never seen an Apple Tech Institute, so I damn well know that those Apple store techs don't know shit.
He’s the worst kind of mechanic, a dealership one
Any good mechanic at a dealership will get what they need from the job and then get out to start their own shop under cutting the dealership.
Too true
Iv put the wrong spark plug in and it did not hert the engine
Same with the starters
yeah after i got out of UTI 9universal technical institute ) worked in a Ford dealer i would find things like leaking water pumps (which means its about ready to fail) and was told "dont mention it the customer will have to pay for that and we dont wanna warranty it" or i would find barely hanging on wires lines etc, it made me leave the industry.
That's why I never sharpen my own pencils. An explosion in my hand could be VERY SERIOUS. Be sure to read the label on your underwear as there is a front and a back and it must be worn correctly or a mild case of death can occur.
I mean... Reversed underwear us annoying...
Yeah you don't want Trapped Gasses Exploding Unexpectedly 😬💥🔥
The right to repair isn’t about “boats” or “MacBooks” or “John Deere GPS antennas” or whatever specific thing you’re thinking about. The right to repair is about the possibility of having another option, or at the very least learning yourself and if you want to risk it, work on your boat motor. Just know if you blow it up, there’s no warranty to save you.
Most of the issues that happen do happen outside of the warranty, and for the few that happen within the warranty, the dealers (be it cars, boats, Apple or whatnot) will try to scam you into believing that it was your fault and the issue is not under warranty and make you pay. Like Louis keeps showing us Apple liquid damage :)
sounds like people need learn to build boats. there are beggars, there are choosers and there are doers.
@@RS-uo2nd of course i don't want things banned. If i spill shit in my Apple then i should have the option to have my shit repaired by someone for a fair price not for the exorbitant prices requested by Apple "engineers" who will replace your shit or ask you to pay a certain amount to actually replace your shit instead of just trying to repair it. I think some would call this to be laziness on behalf of Apple repairmen. Sadly.
@Lady Mercy the electronics industry are rife with this especially the phone companies. Products are designed to last a year and then be replaced with latest model.
The reason the old Snap On tools and Rolex watches hold their value.
Lifetime warranty.
@@RS-uo2nd - if the End User pays for the item, damages that item, why are they not expected to fix that item? No, you now must pay whatever exorbitant amount that their licensed technicians and “geniuses” mandate, the cost of which often is just a bit less than the price of the item itself. Shameful
"Repair should be done by CeRtIfIeD tEcHnIcHiAnS because MODIFIED!"
"Layman don't use correct parts" → Then make the correct parts and manuals/datasheets available to them!
Exactly! I have been wondering why they don't bring this point up in these hearings!.
this is the truth the only reason people are burning these so called boats to the water is because they don't have access to parts and other info that companies are keeping secret because money. also boat fires are 7% of the time caused by the engine the rest is the battery and people shooting fireworks off in or near the boat.
RIGHT?!
Hey man, you gotta watch out for them spark plugs, it might malfunction and not spark at all
They are available, customer’s don’t read manuals. Get real.
T-shirt Idea: "If it's not done by a certified professional, it will explode."
Is the shirt certified?
As a pharmacy Technician.. I want one. :D
As a SysAdmin I want one!
Clarification of starter explosion theory: The reason he says starters may cause explosions is due to the normal sparks generated in the solenoid and on the armature when the starter is energized. Boats engines are usually contained inside a closed compartment on the boat. Since the compartment is closed, fuel vapors can collect inside the compartment when the engine is shut off. When you attempt to start the engine, the sparks from the starter can ignite the fuel vapor causing an explosion. Marine starters are sometimes "sealed" preventing the fuel vapors from coming in contact with the sparks. There are also systems on boats which run a fan that forces fresh air into the engine compartment. The fresh air displaces the explosive fuel vapors, preventing an explosion. Usually the "captain" of the boat has some prior training and is aware of this issue.
I absolutely agree with the right to repair. If you purchase something, it is yours to do whatever you want with it.
Paul is deadly wrong. Ask anyone who has taken apart marine starters or alternators. Sad this comment is burried
Even if you don’t have the title of captain, if you’re an inboard boat owner, you better know to ventilate before starting. It’s as basic as knowing that you don’t want to drive a car on flat tires. It doesn’t matter what brand of starter you have installed, you ALWAYS need to ventilate before starting
Well, as a not-boat-owner I was thinking about salty water causing a short circuit and starting a fire. But hey, the more you know 😄
currysini85 Even fresh water can conduct electricity. Water must be very clean to become an insulator. Salt water is a better conductor though. In any case, regardless of who worked on your boat or what parts they put in, water getting into the electrical system is gonna cause you to have a bad time. You could (if you’re a lobbyist) argue that an individual could forget to put the drain plug back in when dropping the boat in the water for this reason, but that’s sorta like forgetting to check if your tires are flat in a car. You’ll notice pretty quick if you forgot, and it can be pretty expensive if you do. And draining the boat when you take it out of the water is like a preventative maintenance thing you should always be doing. Shouldn’t need a service tech to come out every time you take your boat out of the water
Ah, so run the bilge blower before cranking the engine if it's a gasoline noisemaker. Luckily Right to Repair won't demand people to forget what they've presumably been taught to do already and if they weren't, they may already be dead.
Should be arrestable to knowingly lie like this when laws and being formed.
I thought you knew, consumer boats have nuclear reactors installed standard. They just look like your average engine. And the control rods look like spark plugs.
You'd have to start building new prisons. That's a lot of people to arrest.
In the U.S. you have to prove Libel for false printed accusations, slander for verbal, or perjury if someone is under oath. There is quite a high bar for stuff since you have prove you were damaged for slander and libel. Perjury isn't really relevant here though.
You can't have laws like this since they'd be used against you, not lobbyists. Even if you could you'd be giving Google, Facebook, and Twitter even more power. I'm sure that will work out great.
You think laws would stop this 😂😂
@@deoxal7947 I think it's more of a "purposeful misinformation" than defamation or perjury. Although it would be awesome if people speaking at these events were put under oath. It's exactly why we have laws against false advertizing. If you say a bag will be made out of canvas, but it turns out to be ordinary polycarbonate, you should be required to not only replace the bags you sent out for the ones you promised, but a fine of 1k to 10k per verified complaint.
Just remember, don't re-shingle your own roof or your house might explode..
Story Time:
When I was in highshool (No this isn't a "When I was your age.." It was in this century), In our first year of automotive, me and a friend, who both had the same knowledge about engines, took it upon ourselves to do an engine swap on a 90's Toyota with an engine from a similar car from a different year. Essentially the same engine.
Part 1: Drained the oil, removed the wiring harness, unmounted the engine, etc. Took 4-5 hours.
Part 2: Mounted the new engine, wired everything together, etc.. Another 4-5 hours.
The swap worked perfectly and years later, it still runs properly. If a student in his or her first year of automotive can do a full engine swap on a 2000lb vehicle in all of 8-10 hours only having a bit of knowledge from informational text and a number of hours in Car Mechanic Sim, then your uncle joe who's been repairing engines for 20 years can go to Nappa Auto Parts, buy that starter and get the thing running without it blowing up.
(Since I mentioned it. Car Mechanic Sim is actually a decent game to learn the basics of vehicles. The most recent release is CMS 2018, which costs less than $20 on Steam)
My dad works on everything with a motor. He has no "formal experience" for this, but has been working on machines his entire life because he grew up on a farm. He's worked on everything from a small RC electical motor to a combine tractor and yes, many boat engines.
Nothing he has fixed has exploded, except that one time he cut a corner patch-fixing a push mower. He was going to buy a new one, as the damage was too great to resonably fix in a permament way, but couldn't get his wagon back that day. So he fixed the one he had, and halfway through me mowing it, the top burst open with a spray of liquid. But I digress.
This guy is paid off.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. Electric motors were included, and i don't think harddrives run on magic.
Combines have plenty of hydraulic motors.
So basicly, he fucked the moter on the mower over so much, it came?
thats the best way to learn more born outa nessatie self taught nothing to beat hands on.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. just stop, we see what your trying to do. On average the guys father has worked on more variety of motors and engines than most ppl.
If his argument is that any non-informed person can cause a potentially fatal explosive, shouldn't that be an argument for the bill? Making it easier for the average person to access the necessary information?
the "non certified" repair is GOING TO HAPPEN anyways so this BILL NOT passing will NOT prevent the repair
"People will put it the wrong hardware if the bill that makes the proper hardware readily available, passes!!!1"
but giving guns to every citizen is ok :D. USA is truly a 3 world country
By his logic, no one should be allowed to own any machine utilizing an internal combustion engine, or have household electrical service.
@@rik0904 yeah really, if anything desperately needs stricter certification it sure as hell isn't repairmen/technicians....
I'm in my 42nd year as a mechanic. I started in automotive and in my 41 yrs I have experience on automotive (American and foreign) , lawn mowers, golf carts, bulldozers, cranes, bobcats, backhoes, trackhoes, light and medium duty truck, pressure washers, tractors, combines, gas and diesel and 1 helicopter. The guy in the video has just one goal, retaining control on his share of the repair business. This is also practiced by the automotive manufacturers by preventing the aftermarket from access to parts and technical knowledge in order to repair their products. The "scare tactics" he delivers in his speech are for the most part, bullshit. What he fails to understand is "shade tree" & "DYI" mechanics will also net him business after they screw up an attempted repair. If I lived in your part of the Country I'd gladly accompany you to that next meeting, I enjoy exposing "ignert" folks like that.
"Anybody can change spark plugs, but only a certified technician can understand why it matters to each specific engine." So . . what your saying is that anyone can do the job, but if you want to understand the theory behind it read a book. You might as well say anybody can turn on a light, but only a certified light switcher can turn it on or off for you because they know why it works. Damn that was just the most insulting statement I've heard.
Bout the only thing specific to the engine is the "Gap" the spark plugs need set at. Other than that, knowing Iridium plugs will probably wear out faster than Platinum plugs if you're supposed to use Platinum could be engine specific. If I remember right, Platinum handles the higher operating temperatures of modern engines better.
to be fair, you can certainly change spark plugs without understanding how they interact with the rest of the vehicle.. just like you can flip a switch to turn on a light without understanding how electrical current flows through a house. Ignorance isn't really an insult, it is a temporary state that remains so long as you don't pursue understanding something... willful ignorance or being intentionally ignorant to avoid changing stances on something is different... but everyone is ignorant in everything until they learn about it. being certified wont have anything to do with it, but researching it would i guess XD.
Exactly. As long as the manufacturer lists what plug I'm supposed to use, there is zero risk of me installing the wrong one. So why do I need to understand why they chose this one and not that one? I don't.
Or Google which spark plug you need.... 🙄
Seriously WTF... Why not just make the Information available as to which spark plugs are acceptable.
It's so freaking easy to do plugs and wires. Just make the Information readily available.
"Certified" and "Authorized" service technicians get a piece of paper. It doesn't make them smarter, better or even care more.
But it does increases the chance of having the job done better ... problem is shady certification
@@contytub not at all i find the worst people go for these certifications to guarrentee an income
@@shaynegadsden ... depending on the field you may not be able to work without one ... i'm changing careers now and i have to get certified if i want to work ... is as simple as that . You may still find cheap/stupid clients to pay you without cert but without cert you can't sign off for use, can't give warranty, can't insure the work against possible mistakes and definetely can't receive legal money to self sustain legally . So by working without cert in my new field you break more laws than you may dream about and no customer that has serious job would work with me . Plus i've actually learned at these courses theory and practical as well . education and diplomas saved me 2 times and gave me freedom and money. I'm actually applying what i've been certified for
@@shaynegadsden the right to repair should be about providing independent qualified people means and info to be able to repair and mentain stuff ... not the average joe ... giving schematics to the local qualified technician that went and got educated and certified is miles different from giving it to the average joe that has seen few things and believes can repair rockets
There is a huge gray area in this right to repair movement and I agree with it about half the time until let's say you as the company can still get sued due to a accident/injury using you're product even though some crackhead technician tinkered with it recently.
It's like why Tesla won't let independent contractors work on their cars because I see them still in the "Beta" stage of development and they are the only ones who understand the hazards and don't want ignorant people messing around in stuff they don't understand yet.
Been in the Marine business for several decades. Everything that guy testified is ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
I am a boat mechanic on STCW vessels, I have a valid “unlimited” licence. Everything on a ship’s engine can be ordered from the manufacturer, or original parts sourced from dismantling yards. Some repairs and planned overhauls require the presence of an engineer from the OEM, but if they get pissy, we could get/manufacture the parts and get an approved contract engine refit company instead. In what I do (cable laying and dredging) we can easily get parts for anything for at least 25 years. If we could ne restart an engine because of a software lock after doing unplanned heavy maintenance 2000km from a harbour, there would be hell to pay!
I assume "STCW" applies to COMMERCIAL vessels and your licence is FOR working on COMMERCIAL vessels and NOT "personal pleasure crafts"?
I ask as I know nothing about COMMERCIAL ship repair and would EXPECT required certification in that field
jason riddell yes, big boats here. My license is for 6000kW and above. It is also valid for yachts, but then the sea time does not count in my commercial log. I have not worked on engines smaller than 700kW (continuously rated power).
He's scared to lose his business, that's why he's against it. He has the monopoly of fixing boats in that area, because he/his company is properly/maybe the only ones who has easy access to diagrams and parts and whatnot. if manufacturers are required to give these out to the consumer, they could get the specification to read and figure out what is wrong, then buying and fixing it, cutting out the middle man, who is this guy/company.
He is against it because he would lose money, just like Apple and etc.
He's is scared for thing for things to go wrong but if the consumer had the right to know what is correct and what goes were wouldn't that decrease the risk?
All in my opinion of cause.
For Apple it's just another front to fuck their users.
gotta minimize threats when you dont have the competence to run a business. He didn't even have the competence to read his script in a nonmonologue tone.
"Incorrect spark plugs installed, many times by un certified shops " which means that many times, incorrect spark plugs are installed by certified shops as well.
Im sure this old crook did lots of repairs in his backyard when he was young without any "certified technician" looking over it.
This is only because he is greedy now, thats why he is lying here.
hit the nail on the head.. Im in the tattoo industry.. I know MANY people that started out tattooing out of there home.. then get certified and all of a sudden has a hate on for people that tattoo out the home.... they're all hypocrites man..
Well yeah it's called protecting your interest
I like how he conflates "repair" with "modify" right away.
I had to make this distinction to my wife. She thinks my car is always broken, but it's not. Lol
Gents, I 100% agree with your argument. The reason a starter can cause an explosion is as follows:. He specifically mentioned inboard engines. These are engines which are in an enclosed cavity that isn't ventilated well and can have gas fumes present if other things go wrong. Marine starters are rated "explosion proof". It is a standard starter that has been through a process to seal it way above and beyond what automotive starters are. This sealing process seals up all of the openings on a starter that could allow a spark from normal use to exit the starter and enter the enclosed gas fume filled cavity.
Other than that paul's pretty much spot on....and I will continue to support 100% of your fight for right to repair.
I had most of my ASE certifications when I worked at a car dealership. I know guys that have no certifications that are much better mechanics than me. Certifications just means you're good at passing a written test. It is not a reflection of your experience and skills.
And that's what big business likes because that is scalable it takes time to scale an individual they don't have time for that
and thats why most "repairs" taking place at car dealerships are actually only parts swapping. and not real repairs.
@@g-low6365 yeah it's time effective cost less time and so what you spend a little more money when I work on laptops sometimes it's cheaper to just buy a whole new assembly with everything in it than to actually fix it
@@TwoDollarGararge i know its less efective. but in vehicles. the cost of replacing could be much higher. at least down here (im from argentina) we´ve been repairing stuff for decades. i dont have anything against replacing parts. what im against is companies that dont allow you or anyone with the knowledge to repair something.
how much do you want to bet the marine dealership wants 3 times the price for a starter built by the same supplier as NAPA does, customer just eats the mark up.. OEM these days is orininal manuf mark up plus he gets the installation at 100 + dollars an hour..
Am a mechanic, that guy just wants to ensure the money flows through his company.
You can indeed find schematics and information for engines like Yamaha's.
Thank you for advocating for right to repair right to repair means something to me I've repaired my cell phone myself and it's done nothing except work right to repair is a very important issue you have inspired me to go ask my lawmakers in Ohio why we do not have right to repair because that gives me access to the manufacturer repair information whether it be DeWalt Milwaukee Makita Metabo Bosch Ridgid it gives access to chips in resistors and capacitors so I can repair a burnt-out battery charger and keep those devices out of the E-Waste stream
Combustion engines: fixing them may cause explosions...
Nice.
Combustion engines can explode or catch fire full stop. Every vehicle fire i have seen was not caused by repair.
I hope so Internal combustion rely on explosions to work. No explosions no motive power.
Yeah right!
It's an ICE... internal COMBUSTION engine... wow... explosions...
This speaker really knows shit about ICE's.
@@PzkwVIb that was the point of the post, this is where we go whoosh...
The guy in the hearing is obviously a boat dealership that doesn't want "jobber" competition. This guy is an Apple repair center version of Yamaha outboards fight against people like Rossman fixing something for half price because "jobber" parts are a different brand name. May save consumers money, what a horrible thing to do.
I do agree with Paul that it's not only bullshit but misinforming people when you can't rebut someone's testimony. That's what everyone is there for. Have an open debate with the experts and whichever side makes the most sense, they win.. Very nice presentation and keep up the great work. Don't get discouraged or distracted.
Here’s is a story about so called “certified techs” being superior.
I had a Dodge Durango years ago. It was not high mileage (maybe 50k) and it was experiencing what felt like a transmission issue. It felt like it was slipping. Took it to dealer they couldn’t find issue initially. Then they reproduced it and said the transmission was the issue. They ended up replacing the transmission. Got it back, same issue. They still couldn’t figure it out. This is the “authorized, trained, certified” by OEM dealership of Dodge products. I spoke to an independent mechanic and he said “Oh I’ve seen that before, check your TPS that can cause a similar issue”. Well I went and bought a $36 Bosch Throttle Position Sensor and removed 2 screws and replaced it. Problem fixed. The issue was not related to the transmission at all it just felt like it. Certified or factory authorized does not equate to a better mechanic. More often than not experience trumps a factory printed certificate.
bingo! worked at a small shop after 6 months of working at a "stealership". we fixed so many simple issues people had that showed up with thousand dollar quotes, half of which was stuff they didnt need at all, and they'd walk out of our shop with $100 repair bill and a smile on their face
Don’t get me wrong though on one point. While my boat, motor, or car/Jeep are under factory warranty I always take it to the dealer. I have them perform all warranty repairs because it is their responsibility and I do not need to pay for it. There are many independent shops that have no other motive than to diagnose and/or repair the issue you came in about. Selling you extra filters and wiper blades is never anything I have been pressured with at an independent shop. Dealerships are more likely to try to up sell items.
90% of the time when a mechanic can't figure out why one of cars won't start or run right after replacing starter, battery, etc. we usually find out on our own that it's an O2 sensor.
Just had a similar experience. I am an independent mechanic and have new customer was referred to me (I only take referrals now,no advertising or soliciting. I did solicit when I started) The 07 Lexus RX350 was diagnosed as a fuel pump failure by a shop with ASE certified mechanics. I did my tests prior to replacing the fuel pump and the issue was a heavily clogged air filter and gummed up throttle body. BTW I am not ASE certified. I am not allowed to take the tests because I didn't take classes at a recognized school.
@@MERCNRY If anything ASE certification seems to brainwash them into only taking certain diagnostic routes and to come to certain conclusions, and ignore anything else that they haven't even checked.
'Will fit' to me, means the part is a specified replacement for the OEM part. Marine starters, alternators have spark arrestors installed on the vents for their housings or cases. The intake is covered by a flame arrestor. These arrestors are to prevent any spilled fuel in the bilge from igniting. This guy did not explain this to the panel but instead opted for the worst case scenario. He is full of shit for misleading them to make his point.
‘Will fit’ to me basically means “if it sits, it fits” or basically if it fits, it’s probably designed for that specific replacement reason
I thought you knew, consumer boats have nuclear reactors installed standard. They just look like your average engine. And the control rods look like spark plugs.
Beat me to it! You just earned a thunbs up!
About aftermarket starters leading to explosions. The explosion is of the starter gear itself, inside the engine where it interfaces with the main flywheel gear. It doesn't mean the boat explodes. It means, usually, nothing happens but lights dimming when you hit the starter, or maybe a nasty grinding noise until the starter is removed and replaced or repaired (yeah - you can actually fix them pretty easily when this happens). If the engine is even as well designed as my 1940 Ford tractor, there is even a little well in the bottom of the bellhousing to collect those bits. Yes it is so common that they accounted for it in a design from over 80 years ago. Even when the magical factory's authorized techs installed OEM parts at the stealership. Of course, they also sold those things with the specific not only approval, but hands on education on how to repair and rebuild every part of the thing. They would deliver it on site, and go over operation, repairs, everything. I long for those types of days and to be done with such bullshit as what this (financially motivated) con artist is spewing.
This guy is just Schilling for his industry and his business. Even with a certificate ect... working on engines I've had them fail, yet because I do have a background in mechanical engineering I was able temporarily make a quike fix get back to shore. Not allowing people to work on their property and learn makes society stupid.
That's the point. It's easier to get money out of stupid people. As a salesman, stupid people are great, because I just have to say "Buy this product because it's better. You should add this onto it because it'll be better, and don't forget the warranty!"
Stupid people will just go with it, you have to actually know your stuff to sell to a smart person, and honestly explain to them why they should buy something.
Im afraid idiots like this will make it illegal for me to work on my 1990 crx, that's ive head for 20 years now, and only i work on... i don't see certified repair centers keeping cars on the road for 30 years like i have. Empirical evidence says that non certified is better than certified...
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 you're right they definitely don't want to individuals having the ability to repair their property. Its common knowledge that proper maintenance will keep cars and products going longer than the industry expects which also hurts their business. And sadly trying to impart the knowledge onto the younger generation seems to be failing. Hell when a teenagers don't know how to start a lawn mower and weedeater theres definitely a real problem in America society.
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 Everything has its place, I have known uncertified shops that have ruined a few cars, but there's consumer protection laws that cover that stuff, and they can be held liable for those damages, so there is really no issue here other than short sighted corporations that can't see an opportunity to make money off of selling parts, schematics, and tools.
No, you should float alone into the ocean because the right certified mechanic is on the other side of the US and doesn't have a boat... I also would be arrested if I went to these...
As a Mainer, I really appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the great work brother!
Thank you Louis for having Paul react to that testimony I believe I should have the right to repair not just my boat my car my truck my wireless equipment my cell phone my computer and anything I own
Manufacturer backed repair is the same thing as authorized repair in the Apple ecosystem we all know authorized repair is there to sell you a new device not to fix your current one
A spark plug is a spark plug it doesn't matter if it's for a marine engine or for an on-the-road gasoline engine it will be the same exact part number
A whole lot of us "normal folk" have had to fix things on our own, or get a friend/ friend of a friend, just to get by in life. We live pay check to pay check. This idea, that we must return to a manufacturer technician to do basic maintenance or repair, was dreamed up to price us "normies" out of the market. The people who run this world detest us and would like to see us disappear. Its the same as "If we can't swim, then we must sink, rather than work together to build a raft." But these people at the top know they can not thrive, as they do, without us. So, THEY build US the raft and CHARGE us to use it. If you can't afford the fee, well "sorry, we made you a fair offer," and also "you still can't build your own raft."
Boats are expensive to repair by nature, dont buy a boat if you cant afford the repairs. You’re only putting others safety at risk, goes the same for not fixing your car.
Lady Mercy cmon, boats are pleasure craft you dont need to compare it to farmers and their machinery. Just because you can afford a boat doesn’t mean you can afford boating.
@@jimappdev so by your logic, I can get someone killed by changing out my own tire by placing it on a rim I own?
Either you're lazy or you have something to loose by those of us who know how to turn a wrench.
Take your socialist agenda to Europe, we have a second amendment in this country to defend against this sort of thing. They gave that up in Europe, so you'll do just fine.
hodumx technically anything can get you killed if you dont know what you’re doing soo yes? I mean if you want to play stupid
@@jimappdev no, the problem here is that you want to play in absolute.
I said I can get someone killed by changing my own tire. But this went so over your head because obviously you don't know a damn thing. And sadly, you are permitted to drive over the road.
Obviously, I was and always will talk from the perspective of being able to work on my own property as I see fit. The problem is people like you, who are lazy, and ignorant. Who don't bother reading manuals, technical maintenance standards, and are shut-ins who don't talk or socialize with other people to try and learn from others.
Worse part is, that changing the tires out of a rim has been a standard practice that hasn't changed in the last 70 years. Only it's lost as common practice due to the intensive labor involved.
Just because you are a loser doesn't mean everyone will allow you to drag them to your level.
Dude acts like he's a small business owner. his company is huge by my eyes. and all he's trying to do is stop the flow of money coming to him by his customers who could easily fix their own boats if they knew how simple it was if they had access to the parts, tools, and info
common dont you see all the boats exploding?this has to be stopped!Just yesterday the Boat of my buddy exploded because he as put it into the water with the wrong end first....
Dude actually is a small business owner. It's just run by a scaremongering Boomer.
@1234 They aren't poorly designed. In fact, they are designed very safely based on USCG regulations that have been developed to prevent accidents that have occurred before, but, when someone who thinks they know all about engines because they changed the air filter in their pickup truck changes things on a boat engine without knowing what those regulations and design are, bad things can happen all over again.
@1234 Diesel engines
Right to repair is not about whether or not you can do something correctly; it's about having the right to do it yourself.
Exactly, if I take the risk of having my stuff repaired by an "unlicensed" technician and it ends poorly, then that should still be my choice. This weird, rising percentage of the population who would rather government and big business be their nanny and tell them what they should or should not be doing is disgusting to me. This has only been magnified from this Covid pandemic. The fact that there are still people out there wearing one or even TWO cloth masks out there, despite the provable and verified studies that show masks have a statistically insignificant effect on preventing the spread of the virus, shows me what sheep about 60% of this country really is.
I mean... I can't even muster the energy or desire to think of them as actual people. You're just subhuman garbage in my book.
Dealing with marine and all engines in general, I have grown up in the helicopters/ships of Coastguard... The biggest issue with marine stuff is proper ventilation to engine compartments. Big or small, working blowers and open hatches while being worked on and being run. Not rocket repair, and like Pauls states, it is mostly automotive based with tweaks to deal with the wet environment. Zincs, fuses and ventilation are the key elements of concern.
One point to make.....when people cannot/will not afford these dealership repair prices, they tend to limp things along and delay repairs, which makes things increasingly more dangerous. If they have access to repair themselves they will generally fix faster to make things safer faster.
Competition drives better service, in ALL arenas. Capitalism which choices.
Keep up the fight fellas.
Wow. That boat shop guy isn't a capitalist. HE'S WANTS A MONOPOLY. Burn him at the stake!
P.S. this is just my emotional stance. I would be protectionistic too if I believed something was going to draw away customers ~ just not lobbying like that.
@Mr BuzzKill What in non-Regulated market prevent people from making every good an irreparable black box ? What prevents those manufacturers from creating a cartel ? Specially in industries where barrier entry is high.
Capitalism relies on competition for markets to work. Manufacturers compete to sell to customers, and to a lesser extent, customers compete to buy from manufacturers. Equilibrium is the point where supply and demand meet. Having healthy competition means there is plenty of marketshare and profit to be made at reasonable prices, and therefore the game is not rigged for only a few or one to win. If you want a truly free market, there have to be rules, otherwise monopolists move in and try to corner advantages or buy up all the competition to make it easier for them to control everything and exact their toll for passing through their industry.
@Static Charge Red Field Profit is the soul and only goal of capitalism. Monopoly is the end goal of most capitalists.
@Static Charge Red Field Imagine what is preventing Intel and AMD from merging.
Having a monopoly is the zenith of capitalism. You really are ignorant about capitalism and how it works.
Unfortunately too many people prey on those who are unfamiliar. I totally agree with Paul. He actually knows what he's talking about.
Where i don't agree is where he says you can't build up raw gasoline.
Modern engines are designed to deactivate a cylinder in the event of a misfire in order to prevent cylinder wash(raw fuel) and damage to the catalytic converter.
Putting spark plugs that fit yet aren't "hot" enough to efficiently burn the contents of the cylinder, will lead to cylinder wash, and in extreme cases, scored cylinders, and bent connecting rods.
I 100 percent agree for right to repair IN ALL parts of our lives.
I couldn't agree more with his mention of substandard parts.
They make the honest technician look bad.
Because it's always the technicians "fault."
Nobody ever considers the parts.
The automotive industry would KILL to have internal module diagrams just as you have access to laptop diagrams.
They use "security" as the excuse to prevent our access to this information.
A lot of the things you're confronting within your industry, the automotive is slowly following. In a way, i can watch your videos and see what's coming.
Although you may never see this lol, thanks for doing what you do Louis.
"Oh no, my outboard has developed an unforeseeable problem while out on the water! I know, I'll call my local licenced mechanic back on land to take it off my hands for a few days and fix it"
Or I could have a look at it with the tools I have available.... The same way I have a small toolbox in my car, because no one likes being stranded in the middle of the countryside having to call family to bring a toolbox.....
Well not everyone is as intelligent and gifted as you apparently
A 350 Chevy motor is not an outboard engine,, it is an inboard engine,,, different
Just think about the tens of thousands a cruisers on sailboats cruising around the world. Sometimes they are so far away from shore that it would take two+ weeks just to sail back. Passing legislation to restrict right to repair would eliminate manuals from existence. You want to carry spares on board your boat? Not unless you're a certified technician. Need that specialty tool to adjust your rolling furler? No-can-do. This would effectively cripple the sailboat cruising community.
Maybe that's what they want. Can't have people living independently from the almighty government, you know.
@@jimappdev well, to be fair, people who buy boats are usually willing to get their hands dirty more often with things like engine maintenance and servicing because it’s just part of the experience for most owners- also going to a marine engineering outfit for a service costs big bucks, so people are usually happier to do things themselves where possible.
@@operator0 it's not about the government. It's about this shady boat mechanic (who is the only one in his region) is not getting paid to fix your boat if you fix it yourself. If it is illegal for you to fix it yourself, you have to pay him to fix it, or travel to another region to have another boat mechanic fix it.
We need to help convince Paul to testify at the next hearing.
If he gets arrested, we will chip in and bail him out.
oh come on, don't torture the man. lol
but seriously, I would love to see him at the next one.
Have Paul testify but AGAINST the next one prepare his speech in a way that destroys the flimsy arguments made by the others against it by being so ludicrious, literally just have him say 0:07 to 0:23 then answer questions in the most over the top condescending to the consumer way possible.
lets tip together for his bail
I’ve work on many things...big and small excavators, skidsteers, forestry feller bunchers, pickups, cars, logging trucks and trailers, trash trucks, school busses, probably the most expensive spray paver you could buy, road milling machines....but not a boat. I also live in Maine and I’m aware that boats are part of the ‘little guy’ economy with lobstermen & families. But I have been to a Scania marine application technician class. Scania is a heavy Diesel engine manufacturer for various applications which includes marine. I’ve also been to various classes for other brands of equipment. I’ve learned that ASE doesn’t mean anything other than that you can pass a test on paper and has nothing to do with proving your ability to even change someone’s oil properly, never mind diagnose an issue thoroughly, effectively, efficiently and safely.
What little I do know about marine is that extra precautions are taken (ie spark arresters as some are mentioning) because if a fire starts on the boat, you have no where to go. (Think aviation mechanics although there’s a lot less risk with marine obviously).
With all that said, Clark Marine is a boat dealer. Probably the equivalent of a medium to large franchise car dealership in terms of market share. You think this guy is gonna be on board with folks outside his business working on boats that he sold? That’s what it comes down to. You can see this right to repair deal with just about anything from a lobster fishing boat to a logging truck to a Tesla. I’d like to find a way to take this right to repair well beyond the notion of repair and into aftermarket parts that aren’t necessarily “performance” but superior in value and longevity to the OEM/manufacturers original part.
When the guy said he was a seasonal business I knew right then that he did not want to lose customers, he has to maximize his income and if others repair then it will take away customers, he has 3 repair shops so has a big cut of the market there. He really gave off a lobbyist feel with his lack of knowledge to.
"Suck, Squish, Bang, Blow" is the best way I have ever heard a 4-cycle described, ever.
I've always heard it called Suck, Squeeze, Bang and Blow but yeah its done to make it easier to remember by making it slightly sexual
Either way it sounds like an inuendo
🤔There is a Head Job joke in there somewhere
First of all, I love Paul. You should have more Paul in your videos. Paul seems like a great guy.
i had a bmw and the "professional" bmw guys left the oil cap loose in one of the checks ... you do the math
Yep, had one professional forget to screw the oil filter on.
1 + 1 = 2
Sounds like you have to have the logic board replaced, all data will be lost....
tell me about it. i am a trucker and every time the merc mecanics came on a recovery call they would do shit job.
Lug nuts not tightened. “What’s that noise”
Bruh, I grew up in a fishing town in Alaska, everyone has a boat, from 8 foot skiffs to 60' crabbers, those engines are built and rebuilt all the time by everyone. They aren't magic.
The 4 cycles of a combustion engine sound like a real fun night.
The guy's speech sounds like a low quality high-school essay that someone wrote without thinking about the prompt.
And why do they install the wrong spark plug? Because the tech doesnt have access to the information that let's them know the correct one to install... Most of these idiots are arguing our side
BigEazy2012 Exactly. Just ask John Deere tractors about this.
Eh, I'd take the plug out, take it to the nearest parts store, and ask them to find me an identical one. Chances are good they'll find one of the right diameter and length.
@@gfimadcat IIRC spark plugs have an identifying number on them somewhere. When i was wor,ing on some small i dustrial engines i would use a "hotter" plug to reduce carbon fouling. With cars i just used Platinum plugs when they became available. Then I never changed them again.
Is a marine starter have a "spark proof"(explosion proof) motor. You have fans(explosion proof) that vent the engine area before starting. If the vent fan is not working or not an explosion proof fan- kaboom( if the air/fuel mixture is right around 14-15to1). If the engine is a diesel instead of a gas engine, there's much less danger but with any in board engine you always want to be wary of fuel vapors.
Marine grade starters and alternators have spark arresters, they may also have some corrosion resistance. Other than that they are the same. Inboard engines are in a an enclosed compartment and can have fumes build up if the ventilation is inadequate. But that has nothing to do with the bill.
Exactly
this is why you run the fans before you crank the motor. Its pretty common knowledge now a days.
Bruce Daniels so kinda like he was saying that a marine engine is functionally the same as a truck engine, just with some upgrades specific for a marine environment.
Bottom line, don’t run a truck starter on a marine engine. It’s designed for a system that is vented and open to the air and not something that’s within the confines of a metal box.
Putting a spark arrestor on a starter or alternator should not be that difficult. Just take them off the dead part and put it on the automobile part. Simple.
FAA Airframe Certificate holder here (for laypeople, that could be thought of as an airplane mechanic). There is a huge divide in the maintenance industry with regards to certification and regulation: consumer vs commercial. Passenger vehicles, tractors, and small boats are not designed to be operated to carry large quantities of people, are not for-profit (i.e. have no customers), and are not mission-critical applications. If a truck, tractor, or small boat fail you can generally pull over or just stop operations until the broken part can be fixed. In aviation (and heavy industries like cruise ships, freight trains, power plants, etc) you usually cannot just "pull over" if a part fails and wait for help to get it fixed. Hence why the aviation industry (and I'm assuming most other heavy or commercial industries) is heavily federally regulated and requires many levels of certification, authorization, and inspection for any repairs or service made. Joe Schmo working out of his truck cannot pick up a wrench and go to town on a passenger B737. Reason being is that if Joe Schmo messed up, he could potentially be killing hundreds or thousands of people. Now, that's not to say that federal regulation solves all these industries' problems...the NTSB has many records of planes crashing and hundreds dying of something as simple as the wrong pin was used to hold an elevator control arm in place, which failed in flight, causing the plane to be inoperable by the pilots, causing the plane to crash and killing all on board. However, the industry generally learns from its mistakes and - at the very least - aviation is far safer now than it was even 20 years ago. But, here's the thing to understand about regulation (at least in aviation, I'm assuming it's the same elsewhere), it isn't that Boeing is unilaterally deciding only company A can have schematics and repair their planes. Quite the contrary, any FAA-authorized service provider can pay Boeing a yearly fee and have access to full schematics and full diagrams to repair almost any part on the make/model of plane the manual is for. Any parts that are too complex, too difficult, or too expensive to repair are called LRUs and are generally just shipped back to the manufacture who will happily ship you a new part to be swapped for the broken one. In theory, you could apply to the FAA to become a certified repair shop, pay Boeing for their manual, then build a B737 yourself. The problem is that a B737 costs 83 million USD, so even most airlines rent or lease their airplane fleet instead of buying. So, what about Joe Schmo who owns a double-seater Cessna built in 1970 and flies privately in rural Arizona? As long as he goes to an FAA-certified school (I got my certification in one year at a local community college), passes the test, and pays Cessna a yearly fee, Mr. Schmo can do his own repairs and fly his own plane as long as he's following the FAA guidelines and not interfering with commercial traffic or business. Again, the main reason for this is safety. If Joe Blow fixes his Ford truck out of his garage and blows a head gasket on the freeway, he simply pulls over and calls AAA. If Joe Schmo (before he gets certified) buys a Cessna on ebay, fixes the elevator control arm with a paper clip from Staples, and crashes into his local airport, he can potentially kill many more people (including himself). Not to mention that getting a DMV license versus a pilot's certificate (even something simple like a glider) is several grades higher (and gets more difficult if you are flying to earn money and/or carry passengers). The same really cannot be said about consumer electronics, small marine boats, small automobiles, or farm equipment. There really should be no reason why an independent repair shop (other than corporate monopoly greed) shouldn't be able to pay Apple or John Deer some yearly fee to gain access to schematics and repair manuals. If the technician screws up, generally the worst that could happen is you have an angry customer. If there are enough screw ups, that company should naturally just go out of business. With industries like aviation any company willing and able to go through the federal regulations can become certified and then pay money to the manufacture to gain access to all the manuals and schematics, so why should the consumer market be any different. In aviation, federal regulation is mainly for safety. In the consumer space, it seems to me that the motive is pure, corporate greed.
Ya in the case of something like an airplane that if improperly serviced will almost certainly result in a fatality then it makes sense to require certified technicians, but in the case of boats, your average boat owner isn't going to be able to cause a fatality from having their engine die while on the water.
The truth is the people that fix trains are almost all industry trained while they work. You don't need a heavy-duty mechanic's license to get started.
That's the difference between commercial and private.
Hopefully questions would be asked when Joe Schmo airlines tried to cram 1000s of people on a each 737. XD
Seriously though, I'm an aerospace engineer, though I have limited hands-on experience with maintenance, we'll set the specifications and I am well aware of how important it is for it to be done correctly. I'd be absolutely horrified if I found out that passenger aircraft were being serviced by unqualified person. Thankfully though our industry (at least in europe and america) has relatively good regulation and oversight (except when it comes to the FAA's relationship with their favourite child, Boeing, but the less said about that, the better), and I don't think right to repair would have the slightest effect on that.
I do take issue when a boat mechanic tries to keep the technical documentation and the correct parts for my phone, computer (or if I had a boat, that too) out of my hands because there is some super special sauce you only get with the certificate just to replace some spark plugs, or clean out a carburettor, that a non-certified person like myself cannot possibly understand.
Airframe and Powerplant student here- I'd like to add on to what OP is saying. There are special cases where a non-certified person can work on his own aircraft. Prototypes(he built it himself), I believe gliders, and Gyros. Other than that the most a pilot can do is change the tires, change the oil, basic small maintenance. But he can't fix a wing or overhaul his engine. Also any modifications that isn't factory issue such as switching out an engine for a different model requires paperwork to be sent directly to the FAA. So while yeah you can work on your own plane to a degree, it still needs to be recorded in the maintenance log. It's illegal if it's not on paper.
100+ Kudos to Paul, you're talking out of my mind. I would be arrested as well on one of those hearings.... Too much BS
I lived on a sailing boat for 9 months or so. We fixed everything ourselves, including engine. The only thing we needed expert help for was when we had a problem with the refrigerator leaking coolant.
And that was mainly because of the specialized tools and refigerant license required.
@@jesseamaya4413 only need a licence for freon anyone can buy a vacuum pump, gauges and recovery tank. They're just so expensive and bulky if you're not using it moderately frequently, doesn't really make sense to.
*Me:* "Do you want the bread crust cut on your sandwich?"
*Him:* "Are you certified to do that?"
*Me:* "Wha? No. Why would I need to be certified to use a knife, is it going to explode?"
*Him:* "No, that's stupid. Knives don't explode, you'd probably just cut yourself."
*Me:* "Well I'm very careful, I haven't cut myself y..."
*Him:* "The sandwich will."
BOOOOOM!!!!
This man just taught me about engines in like 10 seconds
world record dunning kruger effect any%
@@dangerzara 100% dunning Kruger effect!
The only thing I found inconsistent to this hearing is this Boat repair shop owner started his testimony with anyone who modify's a Boat engine. I an a hobbyist Streetrodder, I have built a 69 Camaro and am in the process of building a 69 Chevelle with a 98 corvette drive train with the computer and fuel injection. He is right if someone installs a hotter spark plug the threaded shaft is longer and could interfere with the top of a stock piston which could damage the motor however only a fool would modify a stock recreational boat. I used to own a boat and Like Paul said I followed the factory maintenance manual when I repaired it. The only reason to modify a boat is for the sports enthusiast who races his boat and he probably replaces the pistons with pistons that accommodate the mod the owner wants to have for more horsepower. I know fumes build up in a boat engine compartment and the manufacture always states to open the engine compartment before starting it if the motor is an inboard motor, Outboards are completely different. This is scare tactics plain and simple.
will add you as a HOBBYIST will "teach yourself" enough to "properly" do what the manufactures / certifying board WILL NOT TEACH OR CERTIFY there techs to do so right to repair will NOT make anybody better "hotrodders" BUT will allow for safer / better repairs to take place
Plug heat range has nothing to do with thread length.
@@cindytepper8878 Right on, thought I was going nuts.
@@MFcitrous Yeah heat range is controlled by the heat conductivity of the materials and the heat conduction path from the center insulator to the where the plug seats in the head. The worst too hot of a plug will do is cause pre-ignition because of the high temperature of the center electrode insulator
Disclaimer: I'm an uncertified mechanic, and always worked on my own boats, cars, tractors, etc. While the boats I had tended to have outboards and were older, I never had an issue on finding manuals for any of the engines. I owned about a dozen over the years, and while there are a few differences that make the situation unique, for the most part it's correct when you say the engines aren't any different from any other engine you'd find in any other situation.
The main difference between cars and boats is that a boat is an enclosed space. The problem this creates are heat build up and fume accumulation. On any boat I had the cooling system wasn't a closed loop like in a car, it draws water from below the waterline to cool the engine. If the exhaust and engine water cooling systems aren't maintained, the heat can cause nearby materials to ignite or overheat your engine and leave you stranded. A bigger danger is fumes from gas and oil building up in an enclosed space just looking for a spark to set them off. Normally boats are designed to avoid this. There's either a well to put the fuel tank into that has a low point that leads overboard or they have a system to vent gases out of the compartment.
Honestly, the thing that bugs me most about this is it's implied that a certified mechanic is somehow better. Half assed work in the past from certified techs at dealerships is why I tend to do all the work myself these days!
Paul, please go to a right to repair testimony. You are the hero the world needs.
Can’t believe he BS he’s spewing. I can completely relate to the guy forced to watch this BS testimony.
Wow, I guess my grandfather was incredibly lucky, he worked on his boat for years fixing various things, including the engine and it didn't explode.
18:58 "would you go with me to the next hearing?"
"no, no, no, no..."
In all honesty, this man is smarter then I am...
As for the starter being an explosion hazard. He's being extremely dramatic. The "will fit" starter you buy at NAPA is essentially the exact same starter but usually just isn't SAEJ1171. Meaning it's not sealed as well and can potentially ignite fumes. The thing is though if theres enough fumes for the non rated starter to be a problem then there isn't a starter on the planet that doesn't have an equal chance of igniting those fumes.
To answer Pauls question yes they do have courses and certifications for the Marine industry. Unlike the automotive industry, where you can be ASE certified on different regions of repair like brakes or transmission, you must complete each manufacturers certification courses, and you have to work in those respective dealerships to even have access to those courses. Also unlike the automotive industry there is no standardized scan tool interface. Separate diagnostic software and connectors are required for every single manufacturer. As someone who has worked in the Marine industry off and on for 20 years it's very frustrating.
16:10 how does the boat burn to the ground if its on the water?
burns to the water line unless its on a trailer
It burns to the "ground" level.
@jacob anderson it’s humor.
It sinks to the bottom and then evaporates all that water. ALL of it. Then it explodes.
I've been a boat owner all my life and I've always worked on my own boat. Where you need to take care is with inboard or inboard/outboard motors where the engine is encapsulated within the bilge of the boat, you must take great care that you aren't leaking fuel into bilge. You also need to insure that before you start a boat or before bringing an open flame into the bilge you run the blower for at least 4 minutes to make sure there are no explosive fumes in the bilge. If you don't have any leaks and you properly vent your bilge your boat won't explode. As for the rest, yes, there are parts that are different between a boat and a car due to the fact that it's a marine environment and all that moisture is harmful to non-marine parts. The biggest problem with non-marine parts is they'll usually fail more frequently than their marine counterparts. Having said that many parts labeled marine are just reboxed car parts. A set of points for your Chevy 260 are exactly the same whether they're in a Mercury marine box or a Napa box.
This guy at the board doesn't realize he's not even in the same position--He doesn't have a manufacturer preventing him from the repair of motorboats/engines, etc. Sadly I don't think the board knows the difference either.
boats always have a build of of gas smell by the engine thats why all boats with internal engines have bilge fans you have to start before you start the engine
Apparently inboard engines can build up gas vapors in compartments. If a starter is not running at the correct rpm to cool itself properly, it might overheat and ignite the vapor?
7:17 - The "will fit" part is referencing spark plugs that have the same bore and threading, but a different gap, arm length, etc and not having the right one will cause it to smash into the piston head, or will not allow proper compression before ignition (or wont ignite at all).
So yes, you CAN damage an engine with wrong spark plugs. But.... Once again.... so? If you do a repair, that responsibility is up to you.
So take the old ones to the store / shop. Get the same thing. Idiots abound
It is amazing these people can tell such audacious lies with a straight face. Shameful.
Certified technicians are trained sheeple. Card changers and sop followers. Experience and logical thought process trumps (really sorry about that one) certified nuts who HAD to do the training to be who they are. What in the world happened to friendly and honest service. Have been repairing and servicing since I could hold a driver.the repair industry has opened my eyes to aspects of humanity I would not have ever expected. You are truly fighting the good fight. Cheers from AUS..
this could create a new meme: "yeah, but what does paul think?"
irreputable?
Most people that are going to do repairs have a general idea of what they're doing. Those that don't know what they're doing are likely going to get someone that knows what they're doing to repair it.
LOL All this guy is doing is trying to make more money by the bill not passing, and his first couple sentences made that very clear.
My friend had a BMW G450X, real nice enduro bike. It started leaking oil, badly. He'd go out on it and after 15 minutes riding, the back wheel would get squirmy due to being coated in engine oil.
He took it to our local BMW garage.
A week later it's ready to collect. They kept it in their fancy indoor part, with all the special BMWs, it's a rare bike, so no surprise they wanted customers to see it. It looked awesome in their almost clinical forecourt. Stood there in a puddle of god damn oil. A week and 500 quid later, still leaking like they'd done nothing too it.
This guy is probably from Oregon and lost his shit when they were forced to pump their own gas last year.
Ha, when I visited Oregon it honestly was an inconvenience having somebody else fill the gas, since the person to fill it was either slow, or legitimately running around back and forth trying to get to everyone. Good riddance with that "can't fill it yourself" rule.
@@plasmaoctopus1728 I didn't know it was a thing, and I was super confused so I tipped the guy haha
Oregon hasn’t fully removed he ban on pumping your own gas they only did in small counties
Land of the free....muhahaha....yeah , no thank you .... I'll pump my own gas.
Illinois introduced legislation to prevent people from pumping their own gas. I'd be pissed if it passes
Shoot I'd be arrested by now for all the work on my truck 😂. Going by that I shouldn't have done my own tune up or replaced my own serpentine belt.
The company would love that. The price of a shop these days is nonsense. To change the oil in my old Ford Taurus they wanted 600 dollars I was like naw I will just change it myself.
I have worked on my own engine in my Chris Craft and then I cruise across the lake while sipping on Beers...
Bro, I took apart my cars rear end and put it back together. If I can do that, anyone can.
Lol bmw wanted 1200 dollars to replace a fan and shroud held down by one bolt. Took 15 minutes to replace and another 30 to replace the alternator, a/c belt and serpentine belt. Total 1 hour and 300$ in parts
@@mattparker3349 Use the money you saved to buy more tools! That's what I do!
I rebuilt a Chevy 4.3. that is a 350 with 2 cylinders chopped off. Only 1 time. Knowing nothing. I just followed the manual. Which I WAS able to rebuild and it currently is still running great with 70k miles on it
re: Exploding Starters
Paul admits he's not a marine mechanic. So he might be unaware that larger outdrive equipped boats have enclosed engine compartments that don't ventilate like a car's. On a houseboat those 5.7L Mercruiser engines are sitting in an engine room/crawlspace below the main deck. It's possible for a fuel leak and even PCV leak to create a combustion hazard in the engine room. Flammable vapor in an enclosed space is a fire hazard hence the need for explosion-proof electric motors. Hence why you don't want to go to NAPA and buy an automotive starter for your 5.7L Mercruiser (which is a rebadged 350 Chevy with a marine cam). If a fire breaks out on your boat and you can't put it out with a fire extinguisher, you better know how to swim.
Also, I forgot to mention: marine engines don't have radiators with fans like a car either. They'll either use straight lake/sea water for cooling or have an isolated coolant to water heat exchanger.
I am not sure if you have used napa and other parts stores online services, but typically if your looking for a part you can put in the information for the vehicle you want to fix and it gives you results based on comparability with that... I won't say that there are not going to be people who mess up, but having information posted about repairing these things would mitigate these kinds of mistakes... and even if you don't post the information, even if it was made illegal to do it yourself... it likely wouldn't stop people from doing it themselves, and more importantly, it wouldn't stop the people willing to attempt a repair without properly researching it to begin with...people who make mistakes like that by large are not the kind of people who would be putting in the time to research the repair to that extent.... and providing a location to purchase the correct equipment will prevent people from getting "the next best thing"
granted.... I wont deny that when it comes to a vehicle, self repair can be a dangerous thing, it is just that I believe restricting the information and items needed for a safe repair wont really solve the issue of user end repair attempts, and may make them worse....
But the same can be said for any safety-critical component on a car. If I replace my car's brake line with acquarium air tubing and it explodes when I brake, I'm probably going to crash and die. If I replace my suspension assembly and don't bolt it on properly I could lose a wheel (actually happened to my dad, and he had it done at the dealership...). Hell, even just replacing the wheel itself after getting a flat you could lose it if you don't bolt it properly.
Point is as long as the replacement you install is the correct one and you install it correctly, there is no danger in doing it yourself. Witholding information about what the correct part and replacement procedure is will only make the risk worse, not better.
@@demoniack81 agreed! There should never be a monopoly on information. I should be able to go to a Chevrolet website and download all the information I need to maintain and repair my C-6 Corvette. I should not have to buy a license from GM to get the information. That should be a customer service.
I do patronize a Corvette specialist because I am no longer young and flexible enough or have a lift to get to many of the parts that might wear out. Even oil changes are done by this mechanic because he inspects the underside of the car while the oil is draining. I cannot do that at home.
In reference to pover boats I would never have an enclosed gasoline engine. I would always use a Diesel.
Its pretty common knowledge that if you replace parts with the wrong parts bad things can happen, the way to fix this issue is to have clear information on what parts the thing needs.
If a spark-proof starter is vital then it should be clearly written in the owners manual or some other easy to access documentation that using a non-compliant starter is a explotion hazard...
However, anyone who knows something about how engines work should know that having a gasoline internal combustion engine in a enclosed compartment is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE IDEA! why would anyone do that, its STUPID. Newsflash, the starter motor isn't the only thing bolted to a motor that can cause sparks, there are a LOT of things in there that can create sparks.. What I'm getting at is thanks for the warning, I'll make sure to never go on one of those boats, why would you even wanna have a chevy 350 in a boat anyways, let alone in a enclosed compartment?
The guy’s argument also like always doesn’t recognize that authorized places also do junk work.
Basically like most things there done like shit
If my 10+ year old car needs a new engine, I'm getting one from a junkyard. There are no other options from a certified dealer. I'm getting an engine from a wrecked car that was rear-ended. They are certainly not going to get one off the lot and if the "new" one has any parts that need to be replaced that will also be on me. Estimates are squishy that way.
And if you get stranded out on a lake after a factory authorized mechanic, you can’t work on it to get back without voiding warranty
@@KesSharann true, there is no way i will get new car engine on my corsa 1.6 atleast in my country so only option would be buying whole car with engine and getting it replaced (if u know to do so) or paying mechanic for enigne replace
Okay having been a Marine engineer on a ship and a Marine mechanic in Rhode Island for several years. I do understand the issue with the starter. The issue is not with the windings of the starter it's the solenoid. If there is a build up of gas vapors which does happen and the solenoid is not marine grade the spark that's generated when energized could cause an explosion. Which is also why they install engine bay blowers with explosion proof motor to evacuate the gas vapors before starting the engine. On the spark plugs I believe he is referring to the old two cycle motors. You can buy different spark plugs of different "heat" which is for different operating temperatures. If you don't know this then you could put the wrong plugs in and cause the engine to run rich. On a two cycle the suck, bang blow is quite different and you can smell more gas if the incorrect spark plugs are used. Last of all NAPA is one of the few auto parts stores that have marine engine parts.
Lastly having been around boats for most of my life I have seen many mistakes made when repairs or upgrades were made to boats. Most of them look like dyi projects and can cause electrical fires or systems failures. Some repairs are simple and if you have some mechanical ability and care about what you are doing they can be done safely and correctly.
What I do see is a business owner lobbying government to stick there noses into something they know nothing about. Bringing regulations like that will only drive up service costs for boat owners and encourage more dyi projects with possible serious consequences.
That’s unfortunate that he won’t go to the hearing. Maybe the council needs to see how angry he is about it.
Marine starters and alternators often have a gauze type arrangement as a “spark arrestor”. A car has a ventilated engine bay, a boat engine is usually in a sealed environment, Hence the paranoia about sparks in the engine bay. Having said that boatyards have a history of overcharging for work. Outboards are a different scene again.
I do agree with him about the starter and alternator on marine application are different. The components have spark arrestor built into them. Even the air cleaner is a spark arrestor. The engine compartment in a boat is sealed and doesn't have great ventilation like the cars in engine have. The vapors are more susceptible the ignition. There for boat starters and alternators have spark arrestor build into them. As far as spark plugs he is full of crap...
@@russellbourgault4520 Too long spark plug could hit the piston and cause damage, but ffs you manually turn the engine to see if you are not certain that plug fits to your engine and have right temp plugs, witch store should know to give since its same engine as in the car, if you have inboard engine. On outboard its separate thing and has any of the mentioned issues since those are separate units.. personally i dont even see the desire for internal engines, since space is cramp enough. On smaller outboards you can just lift the engine into the boat and do any repair there if need be, or utilize second engine if you have two or trolling motor to limp back to shore.. also paddles are a thing so personally i would not get away shore distance that i cannot paddle or swim, or use trolling motor as plan B or C if primary system fails.. that failing has nothing to do with maintenance as parts can and will fail despite manufacturers expensive maintenance plans
Dude is totally right. I worked on my own boat. I must have missed a step somewhere between dousing it with fuel and throwing a match, because it went bang.