I had 60 secs per page. I practiced with the materials provided from the company but they were letters, capitals and lowercase and the sample base was a lot less than the ones they provided on test day with the 4 dots. I just got my results yesterday. Passed all the other tests apart from the Bourdon. I’m happy I gave it a go and that for everything else my prep didn’t fail me, but I don’t think I’ll return in six months. I’m sure my life will go in other directions
I’m on my way back from the assessment centre - got literally 100% on everything else and was “3 marks” off the Bourdon Test. Been invited back in 6 months - I’m not sure I will despite it being my dream job. Good luck mate
Don’t worry about this. I actually did this test with a hangover. When the EU licence was introduced all drivers had to take this test again in Belgium. I’d gone on the piss the evening before thinking I didn’t have to work the next day. Only when I got home I noticed the test on my roster. Thought I was buggered as I got pretty sauces, yet the next day my hangover caused me not to care much with the idea I would just be sent back to do it again if I failed. When it was over I was told I had a well above average score. I guess the lesson of this story is, DON’T STRESS about it... oh, and check your diary before going to the pub... the bright light of the eye test was a little less fun.... I do remember the doctor asking me if I’d had a bit of a party... LOL Happy days, young and stupid. I’d take it much more serious now I’m older and have more responsibilities than in my 20’s. But it just goes to show, it’s not as hard as they make it out to be.
Practise makes this test lot easier failed on dot test first time many years took again few years later passed dot test after few weeks practising 55 years old as well
Hi there i am finding it hard with the bourdon tests you have said identify the groups of 4 please can you elaborate how to do this how to separate the others to the 4s
I also consistently get to row 10-11 without errors, my IQ is 118 so I assume row 10/11 is decent without any errors. Good job. Main point to consider is accuracy.
Does anybody know the actual times of this particular test. I think this will be the one that tests my ability the most. I have my tests this Thursday in Manchester. I have practice papers which are all alphabetic based and not these dots. Tonight and tomorrow after work, I'm going to hit hard on this one the most.
Hi, thank you for this video; it's great. On the default GBT settings (middle density, 5 of the sheets at 2 minutes each) how many correct answers are there? Or how many omitted have other people gotten on average? Many thanks, Joseph Bunnage
what are the limitations of this test? for example I think that if the participant can track the boxes with his finger or with the arrow mark of the computer it might be involved variable OR the pressure factor is destroying the pure concentration ability
I'm looking at getting into the rail industry. Does having a degree put you at a significant advantage than a person without, if we're both applying for the same job? Also, when it comes to progressing in the industry,is it the experience or the degree that gives you an advantage? Thank you
No my Dad is a driver instructor! You just need to have the ability to concentrate! And know all of the NTS involved. The main part of the job is concentration and using situational awareness.
Thanks very much! I have this for you too: th-cam.com/video/tgrJ6Lirk2w/w-d-xo.html Please would you SUBSCRIBE to my channel? I'd very much appreciate your support. Thank you! Richard 🙏
Might be a bit late for a reply, but you have to go left to right or it'll screw up your score. Assessment centre staff are very clear on the instructions you need to follow to complete all tests :)
I believe it is still in use with some TOCs, yes :) www.traindriver.org/ Please would you SUBSCRIBE to my channel? I'd very much appreciate your support. Thank you! Richard 🙏
Hi. Does anyone know the size of each cell? I am trying to print some tests off to practice, but not sure if I am making the cells too small? Certainly don't want to make them too big and have false confidence.
Hi there, thanks for the message. We no longer have a SCAAT test product, but we do have a great DOTS Concentration test tool here: www.how2become.com/careers/train-driver-group-bourdon-tests/
No disrespect to train drivers what so ever..... but all these crazie tests are just bull shit. If you can drive an artic lorry threw a city centre during rush hour you can press go and stop buttons on a track with no cycles, people, scooters, moterbikes and drivers who have no licence.. its just a way of keeping people from getting a well paid career. OK obviously there Is more than just pressing buttons but ye get where am coming from.
As a former HGV driver I'm very sympathetic to truckers, but high speed train driving absolutely involves a different skill set. Driving an artic around Tabernacle Street in EC1A requires intense concentration, but in fairly short bursts. It's stop/go/stop/go. A lot of people genuinely struggle to keep that concentration up for more than 5 minutes or so, but they're given a break at every red light or clear stretch of road etc. Arguable the stakes are higher driving a truck around London (after all, forget to cancel the AWS on a train and the brakes come on, no harm done except to your career...), but to operate a HST safely AND efficiently on the mainline truly does require 100% concentration for 1-2 hours or more at a time, it's an unrelenting stream of information and scenarios requiring your timed response. Again, a LOT of skills are transferable between the two trades undoubtedly, but I'd wager almost any mainline train driver could drive a HGV to a high standard (with the correct training), whereas I know plenty of truckers who shouldn't be let anywhere near a HST...
@luke You can’t even concentrate enough to notice your spelling mistakes. So how are you going to notice train signals? If you can’t even perform such a basic task such as writing a TH-cam comment without errors, how can you be trusted to drive a train with hundreds of passengers? It says a lot about your standards.
Yeah these test are just bs to keep people away from getting these jobs, i'm not even applying for train driver but customer service, so I don't understand how this test is correlated to this job position
@@richardhelliwell1210 Apparently its no barrier even in your 50s, same as me. Its the passing all the tests before you even get accepted that's daunting.
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are they same in Ireland?
Do you know how long it takes too get my results?
thats rubbish because i got to 8/9 down and failed with no errors. you can only apply for traindriver twice then never again
Hi, is that dot computer program you use in the vid available anywhere please?
@ismail adam yeah they tell you what youfailed on
Thank you so much for all your videos on tests like this. I just got a job as a tram driver in Nottingham! 😄
I had 60 secs per page. I practiced with the materials provided from the company but they were letters, capitals and lowercase and the sample base was a lot less than the ones they provided on test day with the 4 dots. I just got my results yesterday. Passed all the other tests apart from the Bourdon. I’m happy I gave it a go and that for everything else my prep didn’t fail me, but I don’t think I’ll return in six months. I’m sure my life will go in other directions
GOOD LUCK
I’m on my way back from the assessment centre - got literally 100% on everything else and was “3 marks” off the Bourdon Test. Been invited back in 6 months - I’m not sure I will despite it being my dream job.
Good luck mate
When I started as a trainee in 1975, all I had to do was to prove I could read and pass the medical.
Ahh the good old days of train accidents and deaths, miss those
Yeah, simpler times people lived in then.
Don’t worry about this. I actually did this test with a hangover. When the EU licence was introduced all drivers had to take this test again in Belgium. I’d gone on the piss the evening before thinking I didn’t have to work the next day. Only when I got home I noticed the test on my roster. Thought I was buggered as I got pretty sauces, yet the next day my hangover caused me not to care much with the idea I would just be sent back to do it again if I failed. When it was over I was told I had a well above average score. I guess the lesson of this story is, DON’T STRESS about it... oh, and check your diary before going to the pub... the bright light of the eye test was a little less fun.... I do remember the doctor asking me if I’d had a bit of a party... LOL
Happy days, young and stupid. I’d take it much more serious now I’m older and have more responsibilities than in my 20’s. But it just goes to show, it’s not as hard as they make it out to be.
Practise makes this test lot easier failed on dot test first time many years took again few years later passed dot test after few weeks practising 55 years old as well
Hi Richard,
Just a quick question.. on paper do you circle each box containing 4 or just count total per row and overall total?
Hi there i am finding it hard with the bourdon tests you have said identify the groups of 4 please can you elaborate how to do this how to separate the others to the 4s
I keep getting to 10/11 lines in 2 mins. Is that to enhanced standard? Assuming I’ve been accurate with no mistakes
I also consistently get to row 10-11 without errors, my IQ is 118 so I assume row 10/11 is decent without any errors. Good job. Main point to consider is accuracy.
Does anybody know the actual times of this particular test. I think this will be the one that tests my ability the most. I have my tests this Thursday in Manchester. I have practice papers which are all alphabetic based and not these dots. Tonight and tomorrow after work, I'm going to hit hard on this one the most.
Hi, thank you for this video; it's great. On the default GBT settings (middle density, 5 of the sheets at 2 minutes each) how many correct answers are there? Or how many omitted have other people gotten on average?
Many thanks,
Joseph Bunnage
I’ve downloaded the group bourdon 2.0 but it wont let me identify the dots and mark it. Can you tell me how to do this on the laptop?
what are the limitations of this test? for example I think that if the participant can track the boxes with his finger or with the arrow mark of the computer it might be involved variable OR the pressure factor is destroying the pure concentration ability
I'm looking at getting into the rail industry. Does having a degree put you at a significant advantage than a person without, if we're both applying for the same job? Also, when it comes to progressing in the industry,is it the experience or the degree that gives you an advantage? Thank you
No!
No my Dad is a driver instructor! You just need to have the ability to concentrate! And know all of the NTS involved. The main part of the job is concentration and using situational awareness.
@@georgebaker4169 NTS?
Thankyou so much for your videos! I passed my video interview! Got to do the SCATT test next 😁 Please are you able to link that software you used?
WELL DONE!
Is it acceptable to go down the rows verticaly rather than horizontal? Thank
Thanks very much! I have this for you too: th-cam.com/video/tgrJ6Lirk2w/w-d-xo.html
Please would you SUBSCRIBE to my channel? I'd very much appreciate your support. Thank you! Richard 🙏
Might be a bit late for a reply, but you have to go left to right or it'll screw up your score. Assessment centre staff are very clear on the instructions you need to follow to complete all tests :)
Hi, good video! Just wondering when i sit the test will it be on paper or is it based on the computer?
This is hard, it's the only test I failed. Hopefully I've got another chance soon so I'm going to be practising hard.
did you pass?
Just noticed the upload date of this is this still a test used today???
I believe it is still in use with some TOCs, yes :)
www.traindriver.org/
Please would you SUBSCRIBE to my channel? I'd very much appreciate your support. Thank you! Richard 🙏
Wow, this test looks gruelling!!!
Hi. Does anyone know the size of each cell? I am trying to print some tests off to practice, but not sure if I am making the cells too small? Certainly don't want to make them too big and have false confidence.
Wouldnt say it's about cell size it's more about the recognition of the target cell
ty sir . where can i download the scaat test ?
Hi there, thanks for the message. We no longer have a SCAAT test product, but we do have a great DOTS Concentration test tool here: www.how2become.com/careers/train-driver-group-bourdon-tests/
CareerVidz ty and godbless .
i tryed it and it very cool
And then you drive over the people without realising that, because your brain is looking for 4 dots only.
You said left to right but you're going right to left
I got a test coming up for tramlink but they use letters. Letters seem easier
Did you actually got letters or where they shapes eventually?
Sometimes only the practice guides are on letters.
Tibbinsss are you a driver now? Croydon
Did u get thru?
Hi do you have the link for this as the sites link is down
sir do you have a video of raat test ?
I note that this video is now over a decade old. Is it still relevant to today’s tests or have they since changed?
Still relevant.
Great video.
Das ganze würde ich auch mal auf Deutsch hören
Just passed every area of my assessment except this 🙃 oh no
I'm sorry to hear this!
How easy
No disrespect to train drivers what so ever..... but all these crazie tests are just bull shit. If you can drive an artic lorry threw a city centre during rush hour you can press go and stop buttons on a track with no cycles, people, scooters, moterbikes and drivers who have no licence.. its just a way of keeping people from getting a well paid career. OK obviously there Is more than just pressing buttons but ye get where am coming from.
As a former HGV driver I'm very sympathetic to truckers, but high speed train driving absolutely involves a different skill set. Driving an artic around Tabernacle Street in EC1A requires intense concentration, but in fairly short bursts. It's stop/go/stop/go. A lot of people genuinely struggle to keep that concentration up for more than 5 minutes or so, but they're given a break at every red light or clear stretch of road etc. Arguable the stakes are higher driving a truck around London (after all, forget to cancel the AWS on a train and the brakes come on, no harm done except to your career...), but to operate a HST safely AND efficiently on the mainline truly does require 100% concentration for 1-2 hours or more at a time, it's an unrelenting stream of information and scenarios requiring your timed response. Again, a LOT of skills are transferable between the two trades undoubtedly, but I'd wager almost any mainline train driver could drive a HGV to a high standard (with the correct training), whereas I know plenty of truckers who shouldn't be let anywhere near a HST...
@@JulianShagworthy any jobs going .haha
@luke You can’t even concentrate enough to notice your spelling mistakes. So how are you going to notice train signals?
If you can’t even perform such a basic task such as writing a TH-cam comment without errors, how can you be trusted to drive a train with hundreds of passengers? It says a lot about your standards.
Yeah these test are just bs to keep people away from getting these jobs, i'm not even applying for train driver but customer service, so I don't understand how this test is correlated to this job position
The only requirement for a train driver is to be brain dead looking at this!
Thanks for the contribution. If the only requirement to become a train driver was to be brain dead, how would they drive the train?
It was said tongue in cheek, I'd love to have a go but at 51 I don't think they'd want me!
Give it a try... I have heard of people getting a TD job at this age. I'm almost the same age as you and I would still try. Good luck...
@@richardhelliwell1210 Apparently its no barrier even in your 50s, same as me. Its the passing all the tests before you even get accepted that's daunting.