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they abused him and sold him to raphael to my understanding. Another example of the cycle of abuse continuing, considering Gortash did the same to Karlach.
Its acually kind of sad when you think about the fact Gortash made them say all the things about mouring him and being proud, like he was creating the family he always wanted. Especially the bit about being his fathers apprentice, like he was trying to convince himself amf everyone that was what really happened.... Im gonna go cry now
Hurt people hurt people. It doesnt absolve Gortash of what he did, but it puts it into context. Its also why some evil path players wished the Gortash alliance didnt have Gortash taken out so early. He could have been an interesting final ally in the final battle (Imagine - Baneite support as an alternative to Ironhand)
Sounds like Gortash was a totally normal child and selling him to this warlock is what made him the way he was, but even when he was more evil after that he was the most reasonable of the three by far. Parents deserve their fate tbh LOL
If you do some digging, and reading in The House of Hope, you find that the "Warlock" that they sold him to, was Raphael in disguise. He wasn't sold to a Warlock. He was sold to a devil.
The only difference between this conversation before Gortash is dead and after he's dead is the mention of being in mourning. Otherwise, it's the same.
Sounds like Gortash was probably a mostly normal kid, and his parents had a kid when they weren't prepared to (either out of feeling obligated or just as an accident). When parenthood turned out to be harder than expected they grew to resent their son. They're terrible parents, but once Gortash became an adult he chose to repeat the cycle of shit.
I love how empathetic Karlach is, even to someone as horrible as Gortash. Kinda the opposite of Astarion who is so full of hate, Karlach is so full of love even after everything she has been through.
To be fair, Karlach was in hell I think for a decade(10 years), while Astarion was enslaved by Cazador for either 100 or 200 years(what happened to Karlach was still very bad, I’m not discounting that. Just that 100 years probably would have made her more crazy honestly. I love Karlach so much 🫶)
@@katiebayliss9887 yeah I know, but it’s also partly just their personalities. Astarion was always power hungry and only looking out for himself, even when he was still just his mortal elf self. Karlach has always been caring and looking out for others, that’s how she got the job with Gortash to begin with.
but to an elf or an immortal, living 700+ years, surely 100 years is around 10 years for someone who only lives around 70-90 years like karlach? either way...trauma does different things to different people
@@StephenMcGann The mother claims that young Gortash was already a monster, well on the path to evil, though she does not elaborate on what exactly made her form that opinion. Her claim may not be true (she could be lying her ass off for all I know, or exaggerating normal youthful misconduct into something more serious/sinister), but in D&D lore there are many cases of what are basically "bad seeds", characters who were always Evil from the start. Personally, I don't know who to believe. I think Gortash probably always had inclinations towards Evil, but his experiences as a child pushed him well over the edge and turned him into a villain.
I think the Flynns, Gortash, and Karlach are part of a cycle of abuse theme. His parents are awful, but at one point in his life he became responsible for his actions and never changes, Karlach did decide a different path (or at least can) but is also influenced by her lot in life. That’s her freak out when he dies, and her avoidance of the reality of her death in act 2.
Are you supposed to feel bad for Caszador? More like nah. Like the next person said, it's more of a "look at this cycle of abuse, passed from one generation to another, look at them and don't be like those people, stop the cycle" like it's sad that this happend to them but it doesn't erase and/or excuse their evil deeds. Well, what Karlach said basically
@@ladynymue I’m a bit rusty with bg3 lore, but I think that the warlock was acting on Raphael’s behalf, which makes Raphael Gortash’s adoptive father. However I’m not sure because I haven’t played the game in a while so feel free to search it up cause I might be wrong.
... crafty bastard. He essentially forced the same choice on them that they did on him. Keep living through hell, hoping that someone or something will come along to free you... or die. They may not have had GOOD options, but it wasn't the binary choice that the mother presents it as.
Gortash was sold to a Warlock who was working on Raphael's behalf. Gortash was imprisoned in the House of Hope by Raphael, his own parents grew to hatefully resent their own child, it's not wonder he turned out the way he did. It's a shame.
@@elenalizabeth Yes. You even see they glow green, meaning they have something to say. Karlach can't talk to them cause she's the one who killed them, but when the player selected Astarion you could even see the option right there.
@@Mithcoriel u mean /Karlach's face/ can't talk to them (*pulls out a seeming scroll*) edit: (oh god... my text formatting didn't go through. guess I'm resorting to old school markup formatting)
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I didn't even realize that Gortash's parents were in the game.
Yes and they’re two free tadpoles! :)
they abused him and sold him to raphael to my understanding. Another example of the cycle of abuse continuing, considering Gortash did the same to Karlach.
Same bro I'm more than 800 hour and this is the first time I heard about it.
Act 3 is a beast. In most games, Act 1 is the largest. In Baldur's Gate 3...Act 3 feels like 4x the size of Act 1 and 2 combined.
I have played 3 runs and never found these people, unreal
Its acually kind of sad when you think about the fact Gortash made them say all the things about mouring him and being proud, like he was creating the family he always wanted. Especially the bit about being his fathers apprentice, like he was trying to convince himself amf everyone that was what really happened.... Im gonna go cry now
Hurt people hurt people. It doesnt absolve Gortash of what he did, but it puts it into context.
Its also why some evil path players wished the Gortash alliance didnt have Gortash taken out so early. He could have been an interesting final ally in the final battle (Imagine - Baneite support as an alternative to Ironhand)
And there's Minsc standing there in their son's clothes. And they don't comment.
Literally nobody in the city even notices.... It sucks
i was thinking the same thing
Something depressing about how Gortash might be making them talk how he wanted them to talk about him. With approval, not shame
Neat. That hat really brings out Astarion's elf ears.
Sounds like Gortash was a totally normal child and selling him to this warlock is what made him the way he was, but even when he was more evil after that he was the most reasonable of the three by far. Parents deserve their fate tbh LOL
my thought exactly, they never cared about him and hated him since the day he was born. he's a nice dude, i wish there was a way to be TRUE allies
He’s not a nice dude now lol! Remember the part of him selling karlach, the woman who admired him, to the hells?
@@Xxsorafan well he's nice to my durge and for a villain run, that could be cool
If you do some digging, and reading in The House of Hope, you find that the "Warlock" that they sold him to, was Raphael in disguise. He wasn't sold to a Warlock. He was sold to a devil.
@@Ultima228 which is ironic cause he end up selling karlach to zariel. the guy who was sold to a devil end up selling someone to a devil.
The only difference between this conversation before Gortash is dead and after he's dead is the mention of being in mourning. Otherwise, it's the same.
Sounds like Gortash was probably a mostly normal kid, and his parents had a kid when they weren't prepared to (either out of feeling obligated or just as an accident). When parenthood turned out to be harder than expected they grew to resent their son. They're terrible parents, but once Gortash became an adult he chose to repeat the cycle of shit.
7:15 Karlach just singing in front of Gortash mind controlled parents is very on point
*tap dances in place*
I love how empathetic Karlach is, even to someone as horrible as Gortash. Kinda the opposite of Astarion who is so full of hate, Karlach is so full of love even after everything she has been through.
To be fair, Karlach was in hell I think for a decade(10 years), while Astarion was enslaved by Cazador for either 100 or 200 years(what happened to Karlach was still very bad, I’m not discounting that. Just that 100 years probably would have made her more crazy honestly. I love Karlach so much 🫶)
@@katiebayliss9887 yeah I know, but it’s also partly just their personalities. Astarion was always power hungry and only looking out for himself, even when he was still just his mortal elf self. Karlach has always been caring and looking out for others, that’s how she got the job with Gortash to begin with.
@@katiebayliss9887. That doesn't change the fact that Karlach is more resilient. I'm very sure Astarion was nasty from the beginning.
It is a credit to Karlach's character plus I think its a bit different to suffer 10 years vs suffering a century or two like Astarion or Aylin did.
but to an elf or an immortal, living 700+ years, surely 100 years is around 10 years for someone who only lives around 70-90 years like karlach? either way...trauma does different things to different people
I thought the title was clickbait, but lo and behold you can find his parents! How thoughtful of Larian
The first time I heard them I thought they were jerks. This time they don't seem as bad as the first one though.
Well...they did sell him off to a devil.
@@jackripley3906 Yeah they did.
They did sell him off to the devil
…am I supposed to feel bad for Gortash or his parents?
For none.
You're supposed to feel bad for a young gortash
@@StephenMcGann The mother claims that young Gortash was already a monster, well on the path to evil, though she does not elaborate on what exactly made her form that opinion. Her claim may not be true (she could be lying her ass off for all I know, or exaggerating normal youthful misconduct into something more serious/sinister), but in D&D lore there are many cases of what are basically "bad seeds", characters who were always Evil from the start.
Personally, I don't know who to believe. I think Gortash probably always had inclinations towards Evil, but his experiences as a child pushed him well over the edge and turned him into a villain.
I think the Flynns, Gortash, and Karlach are part of a cycle of abuse theme. His parents are awful, but at one point in his life he became responsible for his actions and never changes, Karlach did decide a different path (or at least can) but is also influenced by her lot in life. That’s her freak out when he dies, and her avoidance of the reality of her death in act 2.
Are you supposed to feel bad for Caszador? More like nah. Like the next person said, it's more of a "look at this cycle of abuse, passed from one generation to another, look at them and don't be like those people, stop the cycle" like it's sad that this happend to them but it doesn't erase and/or excuse their evil deeds. Well, what Karlach said basically
Nice, more tadpoles to collect!... I mean, oh no, poor people :(
I wouldn’t say they are that poor tho 😂
I swear the father is the same face model/bone structure as Withers. Maybe also the same voice actor Stephen Boxer
Did they sell him to Raphael?
Yeah
@@exterminatusbutton8723 didn't they say they sold him to a warlock? What did I miss that states Raphael bought him?
@@ladynymue I’m a bit rusty with bg3 lore, but I think that the warlock was acting on Raphael’s behalf, which makes Raphael Gortash’s adoptive father. However I’m not sure because I haven’t played the game in a while so feel free to search it up cause I might be wrong.
@@ladynymueNubaldin, when he was the one in charge of the prison at the House of Hope he let Gortash escape.
@@exterminatusbutton8723 Yep! In the House of Hope, you can read notes where there are information about Gortash as a child, enslaved by Raphael
Two free tadpoles. I always end their suffering.
"World-ending debts" Ya got that right
Thanks for the clip! That was cool and normal /jk
dang, he Get Out-ed them.
Didn't knew that
welp another one to do list when i start my dark urge playtrough
Dark urge writing in the book :)
Astarion’s hat.....
ooooo i wonder if you get more information if you disguise yourself and use speak with dead
I assume theres no way at all to help these 2 aside from assuming they're freed after you defeat the final boss, eh?
I wanted their worms too.
Being sold by his parents to a devil. No wonder he winded up the way he did.
Oh, nice.
Oh so his Parents SUCK just as bad, selling your Son to a Warlock, just wow.
the warlock was actually raphael in disguise too ...
which character is more traumatized really cant decide..
killed them both in my playthrough, worth it
I kill them for their tadpoles in every playthrough and I don't feel bad for it lol
oops i ended them before i could get the chance lol
"come again soon!"
I wont :)
HE HAS PARENTS???
He had parents
... crafty bastard.
He essentially forced the same choice on them that they did on him.
Keep living through hell, hoping that someone or something will come along to free you... or die.
They may not have had GOOD options, but it wasn't the binary choice that the mother presents it as.
I enjoyed ending them
That summon looks sick! What is it?
Fire Myrmidon
@@Ferzen thank you!
Where i can obtain that karlach armor
As I remember you can buy it in Rivington's armory shop from female Dragonborn merchant
What armor is that on Astarion?
Armour of Agility. You can buy it near Sorcerous Sundries.
@@Ferzen omg thank you so much!
Thank you for the spoiler.. wtf.
Whats the spoiler lmao
bro why even click on here LMAO
Spoiler? I've done 3 runs and haven't seen them. So glad I saw this
you're the one who clicked on it, almost a year after the game came out
Gortash was sold to a Warlock who was working on Raphael's behalf. Gortash was imprisoned in the House of Hope by Raphael, his own parents grew to hatefully resent their own child, it's not wonder he turned out the way he did. It's a shame.
You should talk with them after theirs death.
Like use “speak with dead” on them?
@@elenalizabeth Yes. You even see they glow green, meaning they have something to say. Karlach can't talk to them cause she's the one who killed them, but when the player selected Astarion you could even see the option right there.
@@Mithcoriel u mean /Karlach's face/ can't talk to them (*pulls out a seeming scroll*)
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