Love the interior of the F430 that brown/cognac colour is beautiful. Looking forward to the the replacement of the Influenzo series. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Just starting video, buuuut I see these are very different cars. One is a true classic, drives like a classic, etc. The other crosses into "modern" territory. Perfectly amazing car, of course. I'd like them both. But if you can have only one, you have to decide what you're looking for.
I know exactly what you mean. The F355 engine is a living breathing thing. I think as systems got more advanced, Ferrari's began to run perfectly all the time. That imperfection is what made them feel alive.
Good to hear your opinions on this. I tested a Scuderia a year and a half ago as I was also thinking/ wondering if I should go nearer vs my 328 or 550. It was a great car, but I’m not ready to give up analog yet. Performance aside.. So I went Testarossa instead.. I’m surprised how beaten the interior was on that car.. Did Mr. Clapton scratch the centre consul so bad? Lol Keep your 308. You’d also regret it too!
The sound of the engine = get the spider. That engine DOES have soul. I have the one your getting out of and the one your considering. This engine is definitely more special. Our local Ferrari dealer will convert the 430 to the gates for $30,000. Just sayin. It’s a modern day classic. Good luck on your car journey and thanks for sharing your experiences.
I would prefer to own a classic and I would prefer the 308 GTB which I believe is one of the most beautiful Ferraries. A new one is not really connoisseur is it? Often leased and types having those are not really my cuppa. For now I will stick to my Porsche 968 looking for an additional SAAB 900 or a R129. We will see🙂
My thoughts exactly. For me it's about the looks, the feels, the nostalgia rather than pure speed or modern comforts. Magnum didn't complain about lack of air conditioning or bluetooth radio, satnav or rear parking sensors 😂
With the F430 you'll have a greater chance of arriving at your destination, it will also be comfier, faster, and quicker, and most certainly cause less headache and money drain, but, nah, I personally would go with my heart and pick the 308 any day. Especially after having spent a lot of time and cash to make it shine again. It's a heart thing - the 308 looks iconic and just fabulous, whereas the F430 is a bit of a meh in my eyes, one of my least favorite ones in terms of style. Edit after finishing the video: I'm pleased, we think the same :)
@@baasbowing I'm a bit biased, tho. Always loved and drove exotics and classics (never a Ferrari, though, was always wise enough not to overstretch my wallet with horrendous maintenance costs), and the 288 GTO is one of my all-time favs, beaten only by some older models, and before iconic ones like the F40.
Yes, I‘m also not convinced about the looks of the F430… something is odd about it. The 360:was also not so great looking. The 328 I think was a much more beautiful car.
@@bikemike1118 Agree, don't like the 360 either, nor a big fan of the 458 (design-wise). The 328 was beautiful, and I loved the 512BB. Of the newer ones, the 812, F8, SF90, and 599 are the ones that fit my taste most (of the "regular" ones). Oh. And I love the MC12 (more than the Enzo).
I'm going to sound old here but I much prefer the 308 to the 430. I just like the older styling and the cool factor - which the 308 has in bucket loads. I'm sure the 430 is an excellent car but I've never warmed to it. How about upgrading to a 328?
For me it's about the looks, the feels, the nostalgia, rather than pure speed or modern comforts. Magnum didn't complain about lack of air conditioning or bluetooth radio, satnav or rear parking sensors 😂
Keep the 308, these mid-modern cars will all fall into obscurity thanks to EVs, and fair enough too. That 308 is beautiful and truly mechanical. Think of a near future when you're driving your everyday Muskmobile or equivalent; what car would you like in the garage as an antidote? And remember, speed is now academic; that 430 is dust beneath the dull chariot wheels of a model 3. Choose character. My ten cents. Love your work mate!
nothing to compare: the only thing that 308 can offer better - is styling (and this is also arguably for many people). As a car: driving, handling, performance, braking - 430 is from another planet - completely different level. But 458 is way better than 430 also))
The 430 is undoubtedly a great Ferrari ! But it's, not iconic like the 308! When you look at the 308 even when it's stationary, it envokes emotions! It's like moving , and flowing art! Because it is. I feel finding a, replacement for the Influenzo will be very hard Jack Sir. Thank you for the great content as always✌👍
I agree the 430 looks good but it's not a patch on the 308. I wouldn't even have a go in one without the manual gearbox, such an enormous part of the pleasure of driving cars for me. Automatics are just an appliance to me, i don't care what manufacturer they are from.
Pretty nifty tidbit about Mr. Clapton having been an owner. I'm quite sure the 430 is a phenom vehicle, but the older I've gotten the more I enjoy the proper "analog" days. My two pennies worth: 308 for the win.
Hey Jack, what are you looking for that makes you want to leave the 308? Is it more power, less fuss with the drivetrain, better handling? If the former two are the issue why not look at a Pantera, and the sluggish handling can be defeated with an better or uprate power steering unit. It would be a hugely less cost for maintenance, but a big up on power and you get the gated shifter. Or go the other way and step into the modern era front engine Ferrari 12 cyl. like a 456, or 550 Maranello even a 575? Maybe the cost step is a bit on the high side with the V12's I don't know, the last Prancing Horse I drove was a 348 in the early 90's and since my lower leg amputation a few years back I haven't been driving at all (mostly due to the cost of insurance here) and unless heavily modified I'd have to suffer with an Automatic anyway. Honestly though now that your 308 is sorted, why not enjoy it? It's still as quick as you need, relatively comfy and has that lovely gearbox! Doesn't Jay have a 550? I'd be smiling at the sorted 1972 DeTomaso Pantera in my garage right now if it were my money. Cheers Mate - Dave
Very hard to replace the 308 in styling looks, however, if it was my choice I'd replace it with a 550 Maranello beautifully sculpted long bonnet line like the 308 one of the most beautiful modern 1990's Ferraris if the budget can stretch. My 1st choice would have been the Testarossa but has quadrupled in value in recent years!
Nicely presented. I tend to view cars as modern, classic or “somewhere in between.” The 308 is now firmly in the classic category, as is your 964. The F430 is Ferrari’s old F1 gearbox, now superseded by DCT. I see the appeal of the F430, but at this point it’s old enough to need a lot of refurbishing, but will never be a classic like a 365 GTB/4, 246, etc. I keep trying to get excited about the styling, but it lacks the drama of the 308 or 355. You will also find common items like the headlamp assembly are no longer available. I would stick with the classics or go new.
Ferrari 308 designed with a pencil by an artist, Ferrari 430 minus the badge could be anything and looks like it was designed by one of my dogs with a crayon Not sure where the obsession with these ugly cars come from, conditioning I guess. And in my experience the build quality and reliability of these cars is on par with most other Fiats from the time
It doesn’t sound like the 430 is in the running. Can I suggest time to take another look at the 348? Sure, the 355 engine is better, but it certainly has that old school feel. Steering is better, manual gearbox and you can really push it without going too fast (once a weakness, is now a benefit).
Are you going to create more content of the 308 actually working now? It was fun to see your journey, but lately you have put so much effort into other cars but not the running 308. The 355 would be cool if it was fitted with a 348 steering rack. I bet you may even like a 348 spyder....just my hunch.
My thinking, now I'm older, is that the car to own/drive is the one you enjoy and have an emotional connection and not just a car which is considered better by statistic review.
I would have to pass. It’s just not what I would want from owning a Ferrari. The 308 ticks those boxes. Plus the looks of for example the 308. It’s a work of art. My two cents for what it’s worth lol. All the best.
Always preferred the 488 to the 458, looks-wise. I think a more interesting successor to the 308 would be the much maligned 348, which apparently has very communicative steering. I know they have an ill-handling reputation but I think the later ones were improved in that respect. Another interesting choice would be a Mondial cabriolet: the world's only open top mid-engined four seater, ever. I would be interested in finding out if removing the roof really compromises it, given the fixed roof Mondials and GT4s benefit from a longer wheelbase compared to the two-seater 308 and are considered the better-handling cars.
348 is still being glossed over in reviews etc. but as you say, later cars are quite well sorted. I’ve talked to multiple F355 owners who have owned 348’s before that lamenting their decision because they miss the unassisted steering and the rawness of the older car.
Hey Jack, love either Ferrari's, but the classic is what it's all about. Also, that Red 930 Turbo that came the other way, was Harry! Last three letters on the plate, COY, a match.
Here is probably the dumbest question you'll get all day...what is the fuel economy of these two cars? Is the 430 appreciably better than the older 308? And please designate which gallons you are referencing (US or Imperial). Thanks, Jack...great video as usual!
A car owned by Eric Clapton well what can I say one of the best Blues men. I prefer the 308 in terms of old style, some here have called it art I have to agree. I don't totally dislike the design of the F430 but could you live with that gearbox? Interesting review Jack, I reckon you frightened a few rabbits along the way too! 🐇👍👍
Think you're confused Jack that nothing fell off, started sputtering or getting a bit smoky on your test drive, you probably thought something was wrong with it! 😂😂 Eric Clapton is telling people he knows he's glad he owned a car you're now testing! 🙏🙏
Personally, after expending all that blood, sweat, tears, time, and money, I'd be inclined to hold onto the Influenzo until the doors fall off. Of course, the problem with that scenario is that with this car, that could be next week, but still....
I'm dreaming about air cooled Porsches. Ferraris are a bit ostentatious. I wouldn't want to get that much atttention. Great cars though. But out of those two, definitely the classic one.
Hi Jack, it's been a pleasure to see the evolution and growth of the channel. That being said, i would love to see you starting a new journey with my favorite Ferrari of them all...the F355. 😊
Ferrari 430 .. YEAH NAH Jack... although they are clinical and fast they lack SOUL!! they have been done to death along with the 360, and I would almost say, they are slightly tarnished and uninteresting with the likes of Ratarossa having multiple versions of basically the same car ...BORING!! keep the analogue drive and savoir the imperfect drive, noise and style. Park each outside a pub and everyone will gravitate to the 308.... plus the parts are reasonable and it's not full of modules and electronics. Stu from NZ
Keep the 308 Jack, beats that 430 in the "charisma, cool, collectable" stakes by a "country mile". If you want modern practicality, buy a Toyota... # I'm here for the "Influenzo". Timing chains can stretch/break also. You're not using the 308 as a daily driver the belt will last a good while. That 430 doesn't sound nice at all.
The 430 is better in every way; except: 308 looks nicer 308 is cooler 308 has more soul Also, channel wise, 430 won't generate anywhere near the number of hits the 308 did. If you're gonna change, you need to think laterally & surprise us with something equally 'stupid'.
I, like you, much prefer the manual transmission as I find such cars more engaging to drive - as I don't necessarily crave the need to 'slam' gear changes when driving on public roads. There is no doubt that the paddle shift is quicker, so would be of great benefit if you are racing the car in long distance racing events where you are shifting gears thousands of times - however not so when cruising the car on relatively congested and speed limited public roads - where a gentle well executed shift is all that's required. It's interesting there is a business in the US, named EAG USA, that are fully engaged in performing manual conversions of the Ferrari F360, F430 and later F599s. The company was featured on Hoovies Garage approximately 4 months ago, where the operations manager stated they had circa 40 F360s/F430s and 12 F599 paddle shift Ferraris waiting for the manual gated conversion. Suffice to say, that you and I, that have a preference for manual transmissions are not alone.
Hmm, seems like a manual F355 would be the natural replacement for the 308. The 355 is still a more visceral analogue feeling fun driving experience. not the mention the 355 with a TUBI exhaust is one of the best sounding Ferrari ever made. you can rip through the gears in a 355 and is more of a "fun fast"....
You’ve had your fun with the 308 over the last 3 years, trials and tribulations 😂 I’ve owned a 308, BUT life is just way too short to have only one Ferrari, truly… 👍
The 308 and the Boxer were the last of the beautiful Ferraris in my eyes. I absolutely hated the 328 that replaced the 308 and everything that came after was just trying too hard.
Sorry but with the 430 Ferrari is getting bland and plasticky... dare I say mainstream? The gearbox is just utter rubbish. To me it was the moment Ferrari was becoming a very expensive Fiat.
I like what you are doing here Jack. But we are not quite done with the 308. Suggest a few decent driving & touring vids. Get out and enjoy it... cover some miles... show us what it can do. How could someone live with one? Drive it mate, not just blast off from a few intersections.
My dealer believes a f430 is the peak Ferrari…mechanical, handling, engine…even the paint. I have a manual f430 with carbon bucket seats that feels like your “wearing it”. After owning some great cars it’s the perfect UK road car…a keeper. Try mine if you want 😊
Honestly, I would rather have the 308 the 430 is a rather cool looking modern Ferrari and it makes you stand out like a douche. Hate to say it the classic Ferrari 308 means you have taste
The 308 is classic but there is nothing wrong with a F430. Chain driven. Etc. But I’d have to go manual tho in USA those are crazy $$ there are places like EAG that can convert. You should also compare to a Lamborghini Gallardo. It is still semi rare for gated in the PreLP but findable. If you do tho I’d suggest 2006-2008 for the updated gearing and steering ratios. And LP G from 2009-2013 are in same $$ world as gated 430 due to rarity. But the PreLP is a solid car and gives some of the classic raw feel with a mix of modernity.
Do not sell that 308. You'll regret it. You put too much blood, sweat, and tears into it. There's a pride of ownership with restoring it. Plus it a manual and looks so much better than those bulbous later cars.
The 308 looks tiny sitting next to the F430, like a petite dancer with the required finesse to get to the most out of it. The decision is easy for me, the 308 is a much better looking car despite it's age.
I find your comments interesting regarding feel and reward. You didn't seem to bond with your 205GTI when, for me, it remains one of the most rewarding analogue cars I've owned.
Jack, I really hope you keep Influenzo. It's the car that made the channel. And she is a beauty. Pretty sure you'd miss her if you let her go, after all you've been through with her. But from what you've said, a modern Ferrari won't be your thing. You like the feel of classic cars too much. You need a car with soul. As others have said, a 348 would be a great shout. Not crazy expensive and probably an opportunity for a series of repair videos that would hook more people into the channel and keep it growing. I don't think the 430 would provide that.
One of the problems of newer car design is that because of regulation changes, they have just got so big ! One advantage of the older versions is that it was man & machine together in proportion, but now it's become mostly about the machine ...
Speaking of paddle shifters. If it's the reaching for the shifter you're (we're) missing, it think it should be possible to mount an electronic shifter, i.e one made for PC gaming, but of the high end type, and make it communicate like the paddles do. Of course it has to be done in a fully reversible way. Wouldn't necessarily try it for the first time on a Ferrari, though...
I agree with your assessments on the engine and gearbox Jack. I have had a 348 (still have it) and a 360 (manual), 456 (manual) and have just purchased a Mondial T. My next purchase will be a manual 430, so my advice is just save up your money for the manual.
Interesting! How do you like the Mondial t? I’ve had my 308GTB since 2004, but during my ownership it was stolen from me, and it was gone for 5 years. Found it back, and I have it in my name again since 2,5 years. But that’s another story. Anyway, during those 5 years of absence, I had a Mondial t to replace it…but I was never in love with the car… Whenever I see my 308, it churns my stomach, as if I’m madly in love with a beautiful girl. No joke. It has that physical effect on me!
@@baasbowing I quite like the Mondial T but I haven't had it long, so looking forward to bonding with it a lot more. 1st impressions are very positive though 😉
Out of these two, I’d go with the 308 every time - it’s just stunning. It’s also analogue, more compact - and because you’ve now sorted it, you know it inside and out.
The red Porsche looked like it could be Harry's 930 Turbo, but it's not easy to say as the car and driver isn't exactly what i'd call easy to make out. Anyways, on topic: The 430 is the last V8 mid-engined Ferrari i would consider, and better than the onces that came before it technically, but that said: My biggest love in this category is the 355, manual of course, and then i suppose the 360 manual. They make me feel stuff :)
The 430 is very reasonably priced but parts are very expensive! Unless you are Scott@Ratarossa, but Jack is very handy too. I was considering the 430 but couldn’t stomach the servicing cost. Looked at the 360 as my brother has a Stradale, but the timing belt job alone is close to $3-5K. That’s if nothing major breaks. I bought a 4C instead which is cheap as chips to service! It’s not a 430 by any stretch of the imagination but still fun and looks fantastic.
As you can see from my thumbnail, I have owned an F430 for many years, and it's a keeper. So I'm biased but offer can a few points. The steering is tyre sensitive and was always better on the original Michelins; for me Bridgestones grip more but lose some feeling. Second, the F430 had a significant update in mid-2008; in particular the F1 shift is noticeably better in the later cars than on your 2005(?) example. I personally didn't like the manual set-up and found the shift, pedal efforts and responses weren't as well harmonised as in the 360 and earlier tipos. Perhaps Ferrari didn't expect many takers; you are after all junking all the effort they put into honing the relationship of the shift with the engine, E-Diff and suspension, and 90% sold were indeed F1. Most 430s, and almost all from 2008, have ceramic brakes. The discs should last the life of the car with pad replacement every 20,000+ miles plus so they are not at all scary, and they also generate almost no brake dust. Last, your car like mine has the standard exhaust, but it sounds different. If you go for a Spider I promise there is no significant penalty in handling or performance and you will find out just how good these cars really sound! I also had a carb 308 for 12 years and loved it, but it was quite unreliable in comparison and of course prone to rust, which the F430 isn't. It also had numerous electrical issues and A/C that needed a re-gas every 9 months. On XWXs it was fun to 4-wheel drift and it did sound good. But carb 308s, all now at least 43 years old, now feel very 'classic' so you have to be ready for that.
Bizarre styling analysis. 458 is apparently fussy and the 430 is clean. The 430 looks like it was backed into Halfords and the rear lights got mashed onto the body. It's awful, one of the ugliest, most graceless Ferraris ever.
Sounds a bit harsh, but I do agree the F430 looks to me like it deviates from the Ferrari aesthetic. It looks like it has taken on McLaren styling cues. It also lacks a certain delicacy found in other designs. The 458 is for me a return to form with a sensual, dramatic look that’s purely Italian.
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Looking at the two side by side only highlights just how gorgeous the 308 is.
And petite!
I thought the exact same thing. That shape is sublime. What do we no longer see lines/proportions like this?
Love the interior of the F430 that brown/cognac colour is beautiful. Looking forward to the the replacement of the Influenzo series. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Just starting video, buuuut I see these are very different cars. One is a true classic, drives like a classic, etc. The other crosses into "modern" territory. Perfectly amazing car, of course. I'd like them both. But if you can have only one, you have to decide what you're looking for.
I know exactly what you mean. The F355 engine is a living breathing thing. I think as systems got more advanced, Ferrari's began to run perfectly all the time. That imperfection is what made them feel alive.
yawn.
Good to hear your opinions on this. I tested a Scuderia a year and a half ago as I was also thinking/ wondering if I should go nearer vs my 328 or 550.
It was a great car, but I’m not ready to give up analog yet. Performance aside..
So I went Testarossa instead..
I’m surprised how beaten the interior was on that car.. Did Mr. Clapton scratch the centre consul so bad?
Lol
Keep your 308. You’d also regret it too!
Stick with the 308. Beautiful design, unique, never replicated
You absolutely need to drive the 458 before you consider anythin’ else ☺️
A 550 Maranello Manual could be a good bet Jack👍👍
How about running costs?? and oh my god, what a tank compared to the 308.
The sound of the engine = get the spider. That engine DOES have soul. I have the one your getting out of and the one your considering. This engine is definitely more special. Our local Ferrari dealer will convert the 430 to the gates for $30,000. Just sayin. It’s a modern day classic. Good luck on your car journey and thanks for sharing your experiences.
The fact the golden age of the car is long gone summed up in a picture.
My friend has the 430 Spyder Manuel i drove it what a car !!!!
I would prefer to own a classic and I would prefer the 308 GTB which I believe is one of the most beautiful Ferraries. A new one is not really connoisseur is it? Often leased and types having those are not really my cuppa. For now I will stick to my Porsche 968 looking for an additional SAAB 900 or a R129. We will see🙂
I have to agree with on the noise, just doesn't sound special to me. Of course it has to be a manual. For me a 355 is still the best looking Ferrari.
You know when you say 'I wish I hadn't sold that...' well, that's how it will be if you sell that lovely 308 😔
Would be great to see you own another flat 6 again. Would you consider a Porsche again 😎👍
The 308 is art. Maybe an apex of all time for Ferrar. Others may be better mechanically but will never be such rolling art.
My thoughts exactly. For me it's about the looks, the feels, the nostalgia rather than pure speed or modern comforts. Magnum didn't complain about lack of air conditioning or bluetooth radio, satnav or rear parking sensors 😂
@@caeserromero3013 Well said
Yes. Beautiful.
A V8 mid-engined Ferrari is not the apex, that's a front-engined V12.
I love the 308 and is of my childhood era but I’ve always thought the 360 and 430 were very beautiful designs too.
With the F430 you'll have a greater chance of arriving at your destination, it will also be comfier, faster, and quicker, and most certainly cause less headache and money drain, but, nah, I personally would go with my heart and pick the 308 any day. Especially after having spent a lot of time and cash to make it shine again. It's a heart thing - the 308 looks iconic and just fabulous, whereas the F430 is a bit of a meh in my eyes, one of my least favorite ones in terms of style. Edit after finishing the video: I'm pleased, we think the same :)
Well said. Sums it up pretty much.
@Jack…you CAN’T sell the 308!!
If anything, exchange it for a Euro GTB…but you need a 308 in your life.
@@baasbowing I'm a bit biased, tho. Always loved and drove exotics and classics (never a Ferrari, though, was always wise enough not to overstretch my wallet with horrendous maintenance costs), and the 288 GTO is one of my all-time favs, beaten only by some older models, and before iconic ones like the F40.
Yes, I‘m also not convinced about the looks of the F430… something is odd about it. The 360:was also not so great looking. The 328 I think was a much more beautiful car.
@@bikemike1118 Agree, don't like the 360 either, nor a big fan of the 458 (design-wise). The 328 was beautiful, and I loved the 512BB. Of the newer ones, the 812, F8, SF90, and 599 are the ones that fit my taste most (of the "regular" ones). Oh. And I love the MC12 (more than the Enzo).
@@JustARandomFio … apart from the SF90 we seem to have both great and similar taste 👍🏼😉
I'm going to sound old here but I much prefer the 308 to the 430. I just like the older styling and the cool factor - which the 308 has in bucket loads. I'm sure the 430 is an excellent car but I've never warmed to it. How about upgrading to a 328?
For me it's about the looks, the feels, the nostalgia, rather than pure speed or modern comforts. Magnum didn't complain about lack of air conditioning or bluetooth radio, satnav or rear parking sensors 😂
Same here
Keep the 308, these mid-modern cars will all fall into obscurity thanks to EVs, and fair enough too.
That 308 is beautiful and truly mechanical. Think of a near future when you're driving your everyday Muskmobile or equivalent; what car would you like in the garage as an antidote? And remember, speed is now academic; that 430 is dust beneath the dull chariot wheels of a model 3. Choose character.
My ten cents. Love your work mate!
Agree 100%
nothing to compare: the only thing that 308 can offer better - is styling (and this is also arguably for many people). As a car: driving, handling, performance, braking - 430 is from another planet - completely different level. But 458 is way better than 430 also))
A high mileage 430 should be ideal. It will generate loads of content. You will need a two post car lift and a hydraulic engine hoist though.
The 430 is undoubtedly a great Ferrari ! But it's, not iconic like the 308! When you look at the 308 even when it's stationary, it envokes emotions! It's like moving , and flowing art! Because it is.
I feel finding a, replacement for the Influenzo will be very hard Jack Sir.
Thank you for the great content as always✌👍
I agree the 430 looks good but it's not a patch on the 308. I wouldn't even have a go in one without the manual gearbox, such an enormous part of the pleasure of driving cars for me. Automatics are just an appliance to me, i don't care what manufacturer they are from.
Pretty nifty tidbit about Mr. Clapton having been an owner. I'm quite sure the 430 is a phenom vehicle, but the older I've gotten the more I enjoy the proper "analog" days. My two pennies worth: 308 for the win.
Hey Jack, what are you looking for that makes you want to leave the 308? Is it more power, less fuss with the drivetrain, better handling? If the former two are the issue why not look at a Pantera, and the sluggish handling can be defeated with an better or uprate power steering unit. It would be a hugely less cost for maintenance, but a big up on power and you get the gated shifter. Or go the other way and step into the modern era front engine Ferrari 12 cyl. like a 456, or 550 Maranello even a 575? Maybe the cost step is a bit on the high side with the V12's I don't know, the last Prancing Horse I drove was a 348 in the early 90's and since my lower leg amputation a few years back I haven't been driving at all (mostly due to the cost of insurance here) and unless heavily modified I'd have to suffer with an Automatic anyway. Honestly though now that your 308 is sorted, why not enjoy it? It's still as quick as you need, relatively comfy and has that lovely gearbox! Doesn't Jay have a 550? I'd be smiling at the sorted 1972 DeTomaso Pantera in my garage right now if it were my money. Cheers Mate - Dave
I still prefer the simplicity and beauty of the 308. Was that Harry Metcalve’s red Porsche 930 Turbo S passing by on 10:36 ?
Very hard to replace the 308 in styling looks, however, if it was my choice I'd replace it with a 550 Maranello beautifully sculpted long bonnet line like the 308 one of the most beautiful modern 1990's Ferraris if the budget can stretch. My 1st choice would have been the Testarossa but has quadrupled in value in recent years!
Testarossa quadrupled?)) No way, still can buy well under 100k like 5 years ago
430: me go fast but me feel nothing
308: me go slow but me feel alive
In terms of looks, the 308 destroys the F430 in my opinion. It's also the Magnum PI car! I would get a 328 GTS or 355 6 speed manual over a 360 or 430
For looks, i would go with a front engine Ferrari like the 550/575, but then again, i am not in the Ferrari market. I just love the looks.
I would hold onto the 308 and make it one of the most perfect used examples on British Roads....
Nicely presented. I tend to view cars as modern, classic or “somewhere in between.” The 308 is now firmly in the classic category, as is your 964. The F430 is Ferrari’s old F1 gearbox, now superseded by DCT. I see the appeal of the F430, but at this point it’s old enough to need a lot of refurbishing, but will never be a classic like a 365 GTB/4, 246, etc. I keep trying to get excited about the styling, but it lacks the drama of the 308 or 355. You will also find common items like the headlamp assembly are no longer available. I would stick with the classics or go new.
Ferrari 308 designed with a pencil by an artist, Ferrari 430 minus the badge could be anything and looks like it was designed by one of my dogs with a crayon
Not sure where the obsession with these ugly cars come from, conditioning I guess.
And in my experience the build quality and reliability of these cars is on par with most other Fiats from the time
It doesn’t sound like the 430 is in the running. Can I suggest time to take another look at the 348? Sure, the 355 engine is better, but it certainly has that old school feel. Steering is better, manual gearbox and you can really push it without going too fast (once a weakness, is now a benefit).
the exhaust note on the 430 sounds like that of a Ford Escort.
The F430 looks so bland, like a generic Japanese sports car. It’s an extremely good drive though.
Im sure the F430 is a great car .... But it's no 308 Jack! Not sure at all what I'd replace the Influenzo with🤔... Ah TVR???
Are you going to create more content of the 308 actually working now? It was fun to see your journey, but lately you have put so much effort into other cars but not the running 308. The 355 would be cool if it was fitted with a 348 steering rack. I bet you may even like a 348 spyder....just my hunch.
The classic is achingly beautiful
Eric said "Once driven, forever smitten,"....and he wasn't talking about the Vauxhall Cavalier 🤣
The 308 is so pretty but having driven a 430 they are incredible to drive , so can see the dilemma.
My thinking, now I'm older, is that the car to own/drive is the one you enjoy and have an emotional connection and not just a car which is considered better by statistic review.
I would have to pass. It’s just not what I would want from owning a Ferrari. The 308 ticks those boxes. Plus the looks of for example the 308. It’s a work of art. My two cents for what it’s worth lol. All the best.
Nooo, too new for you Jack plus the flappys are just too remote for road use imo.
355 / 348?
I don't care how the 308 drives or that it isn't perfect.
It is the best looking Ferrari, never sell the 308.
Always preferred the 488 to the 458, looks-wise. I think a more interesting successor to the 308 would be the much maligned 348, which apparently has very communicative steering. I know they have an ill-handling reputation but I think the later ones were improved in that respect. Another interesting choice would be a Mondial cabriolet: the world's only open top mid-engined four seater, ever. I would be interested in finding out if removing the roof really compromises it, given the fixed roof Mondials and GT4s benefit from a longer wheelbase compared to the two-seater 308 and are considered the better-handling cars.
348 is still being glossed over in reviews etc. but as you say, later cars are quite well sorted. I’ve talked to multiple F355 owners who have owned 348’s before that lamenting their decision because they miss the unassisted steering and the rawness of the older car.
Hey Jack, love either Ferrari's, but the classic is what it's all about. Also, that Red 930 Turbo that came the other way, was Harry! Last three letters on the plate, COY, a match.
Indeed! it was Harry's (garage) 930 Turbo😀
Sad we even noticed this lol.
Here is probably the dumbest question you'll get all day...what is the fuel economy of these two cars? Is the 430 appreciably better than the older 308? And please designate which gallons you are referencing (US or Imperial). Thanks, Jack...great video as usual!
My 308 averaged about 18 mpg (UK), my F430 around 20. Both around 12 on track. But the 430 does have twice the power.
@@timgosling3076 Thanks a lot. That's about what I would have guessed.
A car owned by Eric Clapton well what can I say one of the best Blues men. I prefer the 308 in terms of old style, some here have called it art I have to agree. I don't totally dislike the design of the F430 but could you live with that gearbox? Interesting review Jack, I reckon you frightened a few rabbits along the way too! 🐇👍👍
Think you're confused Jack that nothing fell off, started sputtering or getting a bit smoky on your test drive, you probably thought something was wrong with it! 😂😂
Eric Clapton is telling people he knows he's glad he owned a car you're now testing! 🙏🙏
Personally, after expending all that blood, sweat, tears, time, and money, I'd be inclined to hold onto the Influenzo until the doors fall off.
Of course, the problem with that scenario is that with this car, that could be next week, but still....
I'm dreaming about air cooled Porsches. Ferraris are a bit ostentatious. I wouldn't want to get that much atttention. Great cars though. But out of those two, definitely the classic one.
Hi Jack, it's been a pleasure to see the evolution and growth of the channel. That being said, i would love to see you starting a new journey with my favorite Ferrari of them all...the F355. 😊
Oh no, you want to bankrupt Jack!😂
You're right though, it's lovely.
The 355 sounds just AWESOME!!!😍
*308 & 355 series are works of art*
Ferrari 430 .. YEAH NAH Jack... although they are clinical and fast they lack SOUL!! they have been done to death along with the 360, and I would almost say, they are slightly tarnished and uninteresting with the likes of Ratarossa having multiple versions of basically the same car ...BORING!! keep the analogue drive and savoir the imperfect drive, noise and style. Park each outside a pub and everyone will gravitate to the 308.... plus the parts are reasonable and it's not full of modules and electronics. Stu from NZ
Keep the 308 Jack, beats that 430 in the "charisma, cool, collectable" stakes by a "country mile". If you want modern practicality, buy a Toyota... # I'm here for the "Influenzo". Timing chains can stretch/break also. You're not using the 308 as a daily driver the belt will last a good while. That 430 doesn't sound nice at all.
The 430 is better in every way; except:
308 looks nicer
308 is cooler
308 has more soul
Also, channel wise, 430 won't generate anywhere near the number of hits the 308 did. If you're gonna change, you need to think laterally & surprise us with something equally 'stupid'.
I, like you, much prefer the manual transmission as I find such cars more engaging to drive - as I don't necessarily crave the need to 'slam' gear changes when driving on public roads. There is no doubt that the paddle shift is quicker, so would be of great benefit if you are racing the car in long distance racing events where you are shifting gears thousands of times - however not so when cruising the car on relatively congested and speed limited public roads - where a gentle well executed shift is all that's required.
It's interesting there is a business in the US, named EAG USA, that are fully engaged in performing manual conversions of the Ferrari F360, F430 and later F599s. The company was featured on Hoovies Garage approximately 4 months ago, where the operations manager stated they had circa 40 F360s/F430s and 12 F599 paddle shift Ferraris waiting for the manual gated conversion. Suffice to say, that you and I, that have a preference for manual transmissions are not alone.
Hmm, seems like a manual F355 would be the natural replacement for the 308. The 355 is still a more visceral analogue feeling fun driving experience. not the mention the 355 with a TUBI exhaust is one of the best sounding Ferrari ever made. you can rip through the gears in a 355 and is more of a "fun fast"....
Don’t do paddles! You’ll be bored in no time. I had a cayman PDK and swapping it after just 6 months for a GT350, which i would keep forever.
You’ve had your fun with the 308 over the last 3 years, trials and tribulations 😂 I’ve owned a 308, BUT life is just way too short to have only one Ferrari, truly… 👍
The 308 and the Boxer were the last of the beautiful Ferraris in my eyes. I absolutely hated the 328 that replaced the 308 and everything that came after was just trying too hard.
Sorry but with the 430 Ferrari is getting bland and plasticky... dare I say mainstream? The gearbox is just utter rubbish. To me it was the moment Ferrari was becoming a very expensive Fiat.
I would never sell the 308 😢
Why? Classic and has something special
Look! Whatever you would buy it will be never a Formule 1 car 😊
I like what you are doing here Jack. But we are not quite done with the 308. Suggest a few decent driving & touring vids. Get out and enjoy it... cover some miles... show us what it can do. How could someone live with one? Drive it mate, not just blast off from a few intersections.
Please don’t become another 2000’s Ferrari TH-camr..boring. Keep the 308 or change to something of the same era. Why not revisit a Lotus Esprit.
The 308 looks way better even if it’s worse dynamically in every way plus it’s a TH-cam money maker as it’s always going to need fixing 😊
Nooooo. The 308 is an icon. The F430 is “just another Ferrari”.
Can't deny the 308:s classic beauty! The 430 might be less of a hassle keeping going though...
The 308 always was the poor man's Ferrari.
@@davidcontini7217 I don't know any poor people who owned a Ferrari. Or at least UNTIL they owned a Ferrari.
@@davidcontini7217 I see. And the 430, the "rich man's"? Not! There were far more expensive Ferraris sold those years too.
I disagree give me a 430 scud over any ferrari
My dealer believes a f430 is the peak Ferrari…mechanical, handling, engine…even the paint. I have a manual f430 with carbon bucket seats that feels like your “wearing it”. After owning some great cars it’s the perfect UK road car…a keeper. Try mine if you want 😊
It is the most powerful and newest manual v8 Ferrari
Honestly, I would rather have the 308 the 430 is a rather cool looking modern Ferrari and it makes you stand out like a douche. Hate to say it the classic Ferrari 308 means you have taste
The 308 is classic but there is nothing wrong with a F430. Chain driven. Etc. But I’d have to go manual tho in USA those are crazy $$ there are places like EAG that can convert.
You should also compare to a Lamborghini Gallardo. It is still semi rare for gated in the PreLP but findable. If you do tho I’d suggest 2006-2008 for the updated gearing and steering ratios. And LP G from 2009-2013 are in same $$ world as gated 430 due to rarity. But the PreLP is a solid car and gives some of the classic raw feel with a mix of modernity.
Do not sell that 308. You'll regret it. You put too much blood, sweat, and tears into it. There's a pride of ownership with restoring it. Plus it a manual and looks so much better than those bulbous later cars.
The 308 looks tiny sitting next to the F430, like a petite dancer with the required finesse to get to the most out of it. The decision is easy for me, the 308 is a much better looking car despite it's age.
With a manual box yes, but the prices of those nowadays are crazy 😅
I find your comments interesting regarding feel and reward. You didn't seem to bond with your 205GTI when, for me, it remains one of the most rewarding analogue cars I've owned.
Jack, I really hope you keep Influenzo. It's the car that made the channel. And she is a beauty. Pretty sure you'd miss her if you let her go, after all you've been through with her. But from what you've said, a modern Ferrari won't be your thing. You like the feel of classic cars too much. You need a car with soul. As others have said, a 348 would be a great shout. Not crazy expensive and probably an opportunity for a series of repair videos that would hook more people into the channel and keep it growing. I don't think the 430 would provide that.
Yes, the F430 ist chain driven - but also chains don't last forever...
No! The best replacement for a 308 is a 458. The 360, 430 and 488 are uglier
One of the problems of newer car design is that because of regulation changes, they have just got so big ! One advantage of the older versions is that it was man & machine together in proportion, but now it's become mostly about the machine ...
Speaking of paddle shifters. If it's the reaching for the shifter you're (we're) missing, it think it should be possible to mount an electronic shifter, i.e one made for PC gaming, but of the high end type, and make it communicate like the paddles do. Of course it has to be done in a fully reversible way. Wouldn't necessarily try it for the first time on a Ferrari, though...
If you saw any pre 1990s sport car in real life you know how sleek they look compared to fat modern car
I agree with your assessments on the engine and gearbox Jack. I have had a 348 (still have it) and a 360 (manual), 456 (manual) and have just purchased a Mondial T. My next purchase will be a manual 430, so my advice is just save up your money for the manual.
Interesting! How do you like the Mondial t? I’ve had my 308GTB since 2004, but during my ownership it was stolen from me, and it was gone for 5 years. Found it back, and I have it in my name again since 2,5 years. But that’s another story. Anyway, during those 5 years of absence, I had a Mondial t to replace it…but I was never in love with the car…
Whenever I see my 308, it churns my stomach, as if I’m madly in love with a beautiful girl. No joke. It has that physical effect on me!
@@baasbowing I quite like the Mondial T but I haven't had it long, so looking forward to bonding with it a lot more. 1st impressions are very positive though 😉
For me I would be happy with the 308 plus the roof comes off on the your car plus it’s sorted
The pulls, was that 8,500rpm? If so, then apparently not all 8,500rpms are the same 😮
the 308 is one of the best looking ferraris ever! Keep it and buy a Picanto as your run around
Out of these two, I’d go with the 308 every time - it’s just stunning. It’s also analogue, more compact - and because you’ve now sorted it, you know it inside and out.
The red Porsche looked like it could be Harry's 930 Turbo, but it's not easy to say as the car and driver isn't exactly what i'd call easy to make out. Anyways, on topic: The 430 is the last V8 mid-engined Ferrari i would consider, and better than the onces that came before it technically, but that said: My biggest love in this category is the 355, manual of course, and then i suppose the 360 manual. They make me feel stuff :)
You'll regret selling the 308 over any more modern Ferrari.... period !!
The 430 is very reasonably priced but parts are very expensive! Unless you are Scott@Ratarossa, but Jack is very handy too. I was considering the 430 but couldn’t stomach the servicing cost. Looked at the 360 as my brother has a Stradale, but the timing belt job alone is close to $3-5K. That’s if nothing major breaks. I bought a 4C instead which is cheap as chips to service! It’s not a 430 by any stretch of the imagination but still fun and looks fantastic.
keep the 308. Enzo approved.
6:07 forget Clapton, at that speed I'd be more worried about encountering the Police 🤣
A manual 430 is perfect!
As you can see from my thumbnail, I have owned an F430 for many years, and it's a keeper. So I'm biased but offer can a few points. The steering is tyre sensitive and was always better on the original Michelins; for me Bridgestones grip more but lose some feeling. Second, the F430 had a significant update in mid-2008; in particular the F1 shift is noticeably better in the later cars than on your 2005(?) example. I personally didn't like the manual set-up and found the shift, pedal efforts and responses weren't as well harmonised as in the 360 and earlier tipos. Perhaps Ferrari didn't expect many takers; you are after all junking all the effort they put into honing the relationship of the shift with the engine, E-Diff and suspension, and 90% sold were indeed F1. Most 430s, and almost all from 2008, have ceramic brakes. The discs should last the life of the car with pad replacement every 20,000+ miles plus so they are not at all scary, and they also generate almost no brake dust. Last, your car like mine has the standard exhaust, but it sounds different. If you go for a Spider I promise there is no significant penalty in handling or performance and you will find out just how good these cars really sound!
I also had a carb 308 for 12 years and loved it, but it was quite unreliable in comparison and of course prone to rust, which the F430 isn't. It also had numerous electrical issues and A/C that needed a re-gas every 9 months. On XWXs it was fun to 4-wheel drift and it did sound good. But carb 308s, all now at least 43 years old, now feel very 'classic' so you have to be ready for that.
The 308 is beautiful... there is not a lot of overlap between these two other than the badge.
There's no doubt it's a better car, but it's no where in the same league when it comes to looks.
F430 cannot compare to the 308, it looks plain in comparison.
It seems sterile compared to your classic and I think you’d miss the open top.
What looked like a very nice manual 430 sold the other day on Collectingcars for £97,000.
Bizarre styling analysis. 458 is apparently fussy and the 430 is clean. The 430 looks like it was backed into Halfords and the rear lights got mashed onto the body. It's awful, one of the ugliest, most graceless Ferraris ever.
Sounds a bit harsh, but I do agree the F430 looks to me like it deviates from the Ferrari aesthetic. It looks like it has taken on McLaren styling cues. It also lacks a certain delicacy found in other designs. The 458 is for me a return to form with a sensual, dramatic look that’s purely Italian.