I worked in a manufacturing plant where the women could wear skirts but the men couldn't wear shorts in the summer. One of the male workers queried this with management and they said he could wear a skirt if he wanted. He turned up the next day wearing a skirt and did so for the next few months until they changed the policy. A legend.
@@awkwardautistic I think it most certainly does. If you agree that men and women are inherently different, specifically in relation to clothing, they should be able to wear that of which is equal to that of their female counterparts. Wouldn't you agree?
who came up with this? i red this here in the comments before. very cool idea! but it could be blurred or something... and there are very subtle ways of editing :/. these medias give much space for manipulation...
@@OPShergottite I bet if he made it subtle enough they wouldnt think to blur it and if they did blur it then everyone would immediately know the interview was likely cut up to be misrepresented so I say win either way
@I_360_No_scoped_JFK I'm speaking about generally. So to lose your cool to the extent that you refuse to admit you're wrong and this is speaking in the context of someone who has a big outreach, I think some people do it much more than others and that it is much more prominent in others to the point of mentioning. Like someone like Joe I wouldnt say is wrong and loses his cool, sure he is wrong sometimes and loses his cool sometimes like everyone, but not to the extent worth mentioning. Peterson makes bold statements and hints at things that make him look stupid and he refuses to admit that he's made a mistake. He also seems to exaggerate things to the point of the far right who seem to play the "It's a conspiracy because it's against my feelings" card
@@TheLadyDelirium He pushes the idea that just because certain groups want to be called a certain thing that it "wont stop there.". Which can be applied to any amendment by making it look radical. There are many more but youre better off watching this video, then searching for more, not hard to find. th-cam.com/video/2FgQ_4h3ilY/w-d-xo.html
@Daytona Says What?! At least Sheree added something to the conversation, that if we are talking about attractiveness in the workplace then women being allowed to wear skirts is because of attraction and men not being allowed to wear shorts is because of the lack of attraction. I'd like to add that in professional business settings women usually also wear tights under their skirts to reduce the amount of skin shown. Men wearing shorts don't have that. What did you add except doubt voiced in a vulgar way?
I mean, say what you will about that interview, but at least she actually put effort into thinking about what her guest was saying. I do appreciate her for that.
@@dulapiip I think he is correct in a sense, but it's not totally sufficient. The grad students will an honest conversation and try to get to the truth without stopping to judge the content. The journalist is not on the same journey for learning. The path of learning is a far more honest pursuit.
@@manuelmateo3392 Are you Jay Kang in disguise? That's ridiculous. Did you even watch the interview? It was embarrassing, and I'm sure he oversaw the editing seeing as it was his interview.
@@sauceking3344 Interviewers don't do that. They literally send the recording to people who edit it, the interviewer has no input on how it's chopped and screwed. This is in more on Vice's hands than anybody.
@@manuelmateo3392 The editing is horribly dishonest, but Jay Kang wasn't allegedly smug. If you watch the interview that's putting it lightly. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
Jordan Peterson should just hire someone to follow him around and record all of his interviews. Like a digital Witness. Then he could release it on his own channel. = Jordan Peterson Uncut. Many People would probably be willing to do this for free!
@@adambaldwin258 In the cutthroat and complex media system, incorrectly cut and edited interviews are considered especially heinous. In Jordan Peterson Uncut, the dedicated assistants who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Assistance Unit. These are their stories.
I would 100% do this if he simply covered my food and hotel expenses. I don't even need anything fancy, Turkey sandwiches and a room at a La Quinta and I'm good.
@@DrGreerIsRight You don't expose yourself completely. You merely let them exploit an opening which could hurt you slightly so that you understand what they are aiming for in their offense. You leave the opening based on your judgement of what you think they are aiming for and use it to understand if you have understood their motives correctly. Then you can use that information to your advantage.
@@Butjuice69 Orwell was a socialist, but he was highly critical of the socialist movement. He was a staunch critic of totalitarianism, so we can propably rely on his criticisms of oppressive governments or organizations.
@@SomeGuy0192 highly critical of the socialist movement? He fought to bring socialism to Spain haha. Sure he wanted democratic socialism, but the biggest advocate at the time for their flavor of socialism was the USSR, which wasn't hard to denounce.
I really respect his self awareness about his own faults, e.g. "getting hot under the collar." It makes him that much more credible. And holy shit, Netflix...
Jordan Peterson is aggressively ignorant in EVERY FUCKING INTERVIEW and when he gets called out he always has excuses or says he is being misrepresented. The hypocrisy of this guy is unparalleled
@@johngrey1074 , C'mon, now. Sure, Rogan usually talks too much, but he's an amateur when it comes to interrupting others. The airwaves are full of people who do, and I'm constantly yelling at my TV telling them to SHUT UP and let their guests finish their sentences. In the evening, I'm usually only watching Fox, so I don't know if the other stations are guilty of this, but Fox definitely is. Even those with limited intelligence, such as Hannity, Waters, Bolin, somehow think that their opinions are more valuable than those of their guests. Well, they aren't. They are fools, and the less we have to hear from them the better.
Never do a recorded interview. OR, insist (on paper, signed and legally binding) that any interview be aired IN FULL, uncut. And STILL have your own camera.
Even with Vice editing the interview the way they did, JP still goes out of his way to clarify that the video wasn't leaked, but that Vice released it on their own. Good on him
good on vice for releasing the video which shows that Peterson indeed said what was reported. I don't think Peterson is honest with his cult, but more importantly isn't honest with himself. Something he's struggling with right now...
@@srachar Cult is an accurate description, look up the term, and then compare Peterson's cult with other cults. I hope it IS thought provoking, for the love of God!
One thing about the makeup point: I feel like he lumps *All* makeup into just being sexually provocative when its not true. What about women who want to cover up their facial scars, pimples, eye bags, etc? This is not being sexually provocative, but being presentable to society standards. Obviously showing up to work looking haggard and tired is detrimental to how your boss and coworkers perceive you, its some womens way of making themselves presentable. Also he says that red lipstick simulates the lips getting red during arousal, but what about nude lipsticks? Many more women wear that then red lipsticks, are nude lipsticks sexually provocative then? Also, people are so angry for his comment that "wearing makeup is sexually provocative" because people immediately link that to sexual assault, and people think that he is then blaming the women for encouraging the assault when this is not the case. Obviously Jordan Peterson is not making that point, but people have been jumping to that conclusion. For all of his wisdom, it baffles me that he didn't phrase that sentence differently
I wear mauve lipstick, foundation, and mascara at work. This is obviously not the same as being dolled up for a date. I've shown up with a naked face to work and gotten all sorts of rude comments about my appearance, and honestly, just wearing minimal make-up shuts up 99% of the idiots. I'd be pissed if someone like JBP came in, and tried to give me shit for that. Women just can't win.
J W this is stupid, don’t put your idea into her. It’s not about she being smarter, it’s her point of view about a smart person (JP) He’s smart enough to know there’s so many issues we don’t have an answer for and it’s okay to accept it.
@@RottenfruitQueen if this is true, then why do so many people pretend to know everything? What is their motive if not to maintain some perceived dominant position?
@@edwardk3 psychology, we all did this at some point tbh even if we like to admit it or not. I recommend you to go and find some books about it, it's very interesting
Came full circle didn't it? We stopped looking at their breasts and they started getting insecure about it, 1 in 5 women now have plastic boobs and it still didn't work 🤣 now we're just not allowed eye contact. That'll force it.
That last sentence. “It might be time for me to just disappear altogether”. Strange how things all came to be after that. Thank god Jordan is healthy again.
It is indeed time for him to disappear altogether to get the help that he needs, and to force his cult to personal responsibility - though to be sure they'll just look for another internet daddy for the most part...not sure who to feel more sorry for...
@@desnock good luck to you Lily and I hope your life is a happy one! Sincerely, JumpingcJackFlash. Or, a 'cult' member, as you put it. But a human being first and foremost I hope you'll remind yourself.
@@056709061 if only the projection wasn’t so obvious. Take that observation seriously from someone not a part of your cult. appreciate the reminder that we are all human, regardless of its lack of application to my comment. He should get help, as should his cult. No, not interested in being your replacement patriarch ;-)
He actually talks about this in his books and in other interviews about how he had to consciously dress the way he does. It's not his style, but since he became this public figure, he really focused on it.
9:15 Very important point about this issue: With the baker in Colorado whose case went to the Supreme Court, he didn't refuse to serve the gay couple, he only refused to make a wedding cake specifically. Nobody is saying they shouldn't have to serve gay people. He said he'd bake any other kind of cake for them just not a wedding cake because that would violate his religious beliefs and artistic freedom. This is probably why the Supreme Court agreed with him and he won that case.
I thought about the issue and came to the conclusion that the baker should not care what the cake is for, meaning if they asked for a normal cake that they happen to use in a wedding its none of the bakers business. Baker should only have right to refuse to put a specific design (being offensive or in this case against personal beliefs) since the issue would then become about freedom of speech/expression for the baker
@@bley99 My understanding is that they don't have premade wedding cakes. They are usually like 3 tiers and kinda pyramid looking. Apparently, sometimes, a bakery person has to be at the wedding to keep that thing standing, too.
@@bley99 Essentially the lesbian couple asked for a custom wedding cake and the baker said no. The baker instead offered any of their non-customized selections but the lesbians kept pushing for this particular one. It should also be noted that they asked around at four or five other bakeries for this custom cake beforehand... either they were searching for a baker to refuse them or they went out of their way to make trouble for these bakers just to cause trouble. Either way I think it's a very stinky case and free-association is an incredibly important freedom that seems completely lost in our society now
stating that "we don't know" is also taken as an offense by those people because they think they already know everything and deviating must therefor be racist, misogynist, etc because there is only one allowed way of thinking.
streglof Yes! Doubt is not acceptable at this time. Saying "Well I'm not sure", "I don't know (yet)" is a strength. We think, grapple, learn, fall out...it's all good. But woe betide you if you can't pitch your tent in Blind Certainty right now. Depressing.
@@bananian I don't believe that notion at all, so maybe I wasn't clear. It's absolutely right to say you have no clue but something must be done to rectify that to move on. I agree with you that things would become stagnant otherwise. I don't infer this from Peterson, however he talks some tripe at times.
They hate men , they hate their dads, they are marginalized people who want to flip the table over because they don’t fit the ideal, so they want to make marginalized people normal people and normal people need to be marginalized.
Because anyone who takes a moment to break down the awfully over-dramatic and wishy washy terminology he uses to either disguise bigoted views or just rebranding cookie cutter advice... Realises he's just a grifter. - I have been studying psychology for over half a decade, can definitely say that he rarely applies actual psychological evidence to his arguments and views, he's all feelings over facts ironically. Yes, I'm a dude, straight and cis-gendered. You fanboys should really hop out of that neck bearded circle jerk, it's cringe.
>true atheists are also killers He was asked what in his view would a true atheist look like (cause he said "People who call themselves atheist aren't actually true atheists" and apparently it burned some fedoras xd) and he answered that in the Roskolnikov scenario the atheist would just said yolo and killed an old hag - that doesn't mean he thinks all atheists = killers
I hope this man never disappears, he saved my life, men in today’s world have no motive, Jordan’s Peterson is giving us that back, I’m not religious but god bless this man
I’m going to say that a uniform for the workplace is completely out of touch with reality seeing that the military has some of the highest rates and issues with sexual harassment and assault
JP still sounded like a psycho. He pulls this shit where he's like "I'm not saying this...but I'm also saying it". The makeup thing made him look like such a fucking idiot. Women don't wear makeup to be "more sexually appealing". Most women only do it because it's expected of them, and even if it wasn't, it's no different than someone wearing their favorite shirt or getting their shoes shined. People take you more seriously when you make an effort to look your best.
@@trollnerd I think that is jp's whole point about the make up thing. It is expected in today's society, but the fact about the signals it send is something people seem to ignore.
@M S That's 100% false. You are making the insanely incorrect assumption that any attempt by a person to increase their visual appearance is for the purpose of attracting sexual partners. For instance, if you were going into a business meeting with a male investor, wouldn't you wear your nicest clothes, comb your hair, shave, etc, i.e. make yourself look as presentable as possible? Does that mean you're trying to fuck him? No, It's just a way to make yourself more presentable and pleasing to look at, which may in turn make a person take you more seriously or be more likely to want to go into business with you. Make up is no different than shaving, or putting in hair gel, or putting on a nice suit, or getting your shoes shined. The fact that you don't realize this makes me think you're the naive one that you've never actually been in an office or worked in a corporate environment. In case that didn't convince you, maybe you can answer this for me. There are several women in the office that I work in who are over the age of 60 and have been married for a long time. They wear make up every day to work. Do you think they are trying to get laid? Do you think it's appropriate to make sexual advances toward these women? OR is she only "asking for it" when its a hot 22 year old intern?
@@Edimonde makeup doesn't send any "signal" it's just a way for a person to improve their visual appearance. It's no different than wearing nice clothes or a Rolex watch or hair gel. If these things are only to attract sexual partners then why do people dress nicely or put on makeup even when they know they wont be in a situation with the opposite gender? It's not someone else's job to make sure that YOU are not sexually attracted to them. It's your job to read the room and act appropriately.
@@CDB665 it's not man crush it's ego. Whenever an intellectual steps in or someone with a fascinating story he constantly interrupts to let his subscribers know that he contributes to his own enterprise. Much like a frat boy that just adds his name to a project done by others.
The simple fact that this guy is willing to admit his mistakes makes his opinions so much more valid to me. Thanks for posting this interview Mr. Rogan. I only wish I could see the entire interview at one time instead of having to find the next installment. Peace ya'll.
Hes allowed to be frustrated, with every interview hes done, they've gone after him in a horrible way, they dont seem to understand because they've got a narrative to sell
@@OlviMasta77 i can look it up for you if you want to. the workplace is - at least was- by far the most important meeting point for later marriage. if i remember it correctly 34% of couples met at the workplace. another interesting fact: the main reason for the rising gini coefficient is, that the main road to wealth (marry your boss) was effectively closed by... well i dont want to point my finger on anybody (the paper is publicly available on university of heidelberg but its in german)
Peterson should have a recording of the original interview, unedited, given to him as a precondition of any interview he does. Thus he can make public the entire interview if he feels he has been misrepresented.
Even better is that whomever is performing the interview. Release an edited version however the interviewer wants it edited. Then release an unedited version at least within 3 days.
When Jordan said "it may be time for me to disappear altogether"... I felt that. We need you now more than ever Dr. Peterson. We miss you. Hope all is well.
I'm doing his self authoring suite and I emailed the support staff asking if he will return to public engagements soon and someone responded that he is "planning to return to work as soon as he can." I also saw somewhere that he is working on his new book so hopefully he will do publicity for the book when it's ready.
fenixrising1972 that’s really good to hear! Also, if you look at his daughter’s (Mikhaila) Instagram she mentioned that 2021 will be a busy year for him. So hopefully we’ll get to see and hear him speak again soon with such encouraging signs!
Personal experience from a woman- I wore a dress to the office, honestly about 2 inches above the knee, form-fitting. Got pulled into the office about complaints. I worked with all women. Come summer, co-worker wears short shorts, a good few inches above the knee & tank top, form-fitting. *crickets* I complained to another coworker, a really friendly lesbian. She broke it down as Karen looks like a librarian no matter what she wears& I “ooze sexuality” no matter what I wear (her words). No matter what the dress code says, it boils down to how you rock it coupled with how intimidating it is to those less attractive than you. Sad but true.
Brad1156 My problem with what she wrote is that she transitioned from personal experience with absolutely no reference to any statistical data to a broad sweeping statement about the topic. It's is in no way fair to say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "No matter what the dress code says all that matters is how you look in it and how many less attractive people are intimidated by it". This is an entirely biased and emotionally charge statement. Whether or not the majority of cases are exactly that is entirely irrelevant. The moment you believe life is a simple fork in the road is the moment you're lost.
That explains it. Everything owned by ABC/Disney is a propaganda outlet. Look what they did with ESPN. Watch any show on the Freeform channel. See what they did to star wars. Every show or movie produced by them is filled with propaganda.
Makeup CAN be used as sexual signaling, but saying “it’s not even a question! Obviously it is”, implies that it always is, and based on my 30 years of being a woman, and being close to many women, I’m led to believe it usually isn’t. I was most into makeup when I was a preteen, I know asexuals who love makeup. Makeup is a creative outlet, and when used to make a person like their appearance more that day, that could be something that is only for themself, or could be a way to make them feel more secure socially, regardless of whether or not they will be encountering people of their preferred sex.
@@bie-p1l yes I have girlfriends that love dressing up and then doing their chores. Like she wanted to try out colors and lipsticks mascara and played with it. So really he was way off with the comment
@@bie-p1l Jordan is not delusional. The core purpose of makeup is sexual signalling. You may use it for fun or for "art", but the archetype makeup routine (ie red lipstick, rouge, eye liner etc) are specifically designed to sexually attract men.
It kinda sounds like he's being smug right now. He sounds like he's explaining himself. I agree with some things he says but he comes off smug sometime (not his fault he's a professor ) it's strange watching him call swome else smug lol
incompetence, sure - but that's likely due to the addiction and fact that he couldn't cut the university or practice of psychology anymore, so he decided to sell books and tell incels their anger was justified - you know, like Hitler/Trump. Hate is unfortunately a popular industry in certain minds.
@@desnock Anger was justified coz they felt bitter and bitterness leads people to do horrible things. Its a human tendency. He says the anger maybe justified but its not okay for you to act on it. The only way forward is to get better and improve and learn to not be bitter. Youre misrepresenting him. You clearly dont know anything about him. Your probably see snippets of heavily edited clips that try to slander him and dont actually listen to anything he says for real because that may break your perception of him. Youre married to the idea that hes a bad man. Whats wrong with trying to encourage young men to get their life together? Nobody is doing that. Several people have gotten their lives back on track thanks to him.
@@TangerineGrizzly I'm not misrepresenting his bias towards the left (nor his conflation of all his enemies into a general "us vs them" standard that cults require to sell their BS), or his popularity with groups in the the alt-right, at all. He admits that many of his fans are incels, so I think you're trying to put a false face on the kind of bias he extols. He justifies their bitterness, and....that's it. I would agree he and his band of incel-losers shouldn't be so bitter, but he and his cult are some of the most bitter people one can meet, so whatever he's advising hasn't worked for him or his cult. They can be helped by significant therapy and growing the fuck up. The man almost died from anxiety and depression that resulted in a drug addiction. It's simply not working (most especially for him, never mind his sad sack followers). He may be fooling folks more desperate than him, but most demagogues find people who are desperate. I have certainly seen him in multiple settings, so the idea that I'm not familiar with his biases and failures is simply not true. As I've studied cults including their leaders, I can say with certainty he's running a cult. I would simply ask you to look up what a cult is, objectively compare the Peterson cult to it and then we can have further discussion on how to get you out of it. Deprogramming is a process. I'm not marred to any idea. I've consciously studied the rhetoric and behavior and outcomes of the man (among others of his ilk, many from cults and/or religious figures, but also political figures), and certainly one can assess his group of folks with daddy issues that is experienced on a daily basis on social media where the Peterson cult member tends to be the least literate, the most emotional and the most in crisis. Most judgemental, most biased, least amount of common sense, the list goes on. They mistake being an asshole for being strong and then complain even more when that doesn't work for them and they end up worse off, alienating everyone around them, not unlike Peterson's own story. That people have pitied him even though he's been a royal asshole to them is a testament to those who put up with him, not him. Does this compute? The problem of what's wrong with telling incels to get their life together is the bias he installs on rather dumb and desperate never adulted boys that don't take personal responsibility and like their daft leader, blame the "enemy" be it women, gays, etc - it's punching down on groups that have been systemically underserved and attacked, and it's evil. These immature assules are in a state of arrested development and Peterson gets them nowhere. Pure and simple. Not a SINGLE person has gotten their life on track because if this pathetic and desperate individual NOT A SINGLE ONE. The proof is there hasn't been a single person in my experience with hundreds of Peterson-bots that is better off. They all remain ready to blame others for their shitty lives. And now feel empowered by this individual that uses Trump/Hitler like rhetoric and sheathes it in Scientology like language. A despicable, desperate person who is in crisis. So I hope he gets the help he needs, but more to the point, hope the people he's made worse off get the help THEY/YOU need. It's a cult. Do your research. If I'm wrong, then nothing to fear. If I'm right, no need to thank me other than getting out...ASAP. God Bless.
@@desnock He speaks against the left, but if you actually listened to him, youll know he actively speaks against the extreme right. He has constantly encouraged people to read the Gulag Archipelago which is an account from one of the inmates of the gulag to educate people about the horrible tragedies of political tyranny and authoritarianism and the damages it can cause to people and society. He has openly expressed disgust over the evil of it all. He doesn't really represent a 'side'. He attacks the left and the right both but the right doesn't have a significant voice in mainstream media after the left won the culture war hence the lack of criticism. He has, on multiple occasions called himself a classical libertarian. And thats a good place to be politically. He admits that most of his viewers are 'young men' not incels. Unless you think all young men are incels ( In which case there is no hope for you) I dont know why you would say that. First off theres nothing wrong with young men seeking support from a man who asks you to 'clean your room', ' take responsibility for your actions' and 'get your life on track' when many young men are hated on by radical leftist mobs in pop culture and labelled toxically masculine just coz they are men. And whats wrong if incels watch his content? Thats great. At least theyll stop being bitter and make an attempt at improving their lives instead of whining and complaining. He doesn't justify their bitterness. He explains that bitterness is futile and you better take responsibility for your tragedies and put your life back on order. If anybody is putting a false face on him, its you. Just the first paragraph of what you wrote is enough for me to know that youve not actually watched anything from him unedited. You probably got all the information of him from shady articles from radical leftists trying to slander him and heavily edited videos. What do you mean by 'his advice isnt working for his cult'. First off, I disagree that it is a cult and second,several people, both men and women give him credit for saving their lives from the doors of suicide. Not being dead is working great for many people I assume but you could make arguments otherwise(especially if youre obsessed with Hitler) Yeah tell depressed people to grow the f*uck up. Very helpful. Jordan overworked himself and was diagnosed with depression and was recommended benzodiazepines which caused his body to have a paradoxical reaction which resulted in a physical dependence. This is the truth. What you did there was more lazy mischaracterization and zero fact checking. You ate indeed not familiar with him at all. Ive scoured the internet for criticism against him, but none of it criticizes his ideas. They seem to criticize what they think he said or what they want him to say to make him look bad. If he said something preposterous, Id have no problem disagreeing with him. I dont agree with everything he says and I dont consider him a messiah. But I think hes a good man that means well. He really is helping a lot of young men get their lives on track. My life is a testament to that. I went from lazy, irresponsible and extremely neurotic to disciplined and having relatively nice things to say about life. If I was bitter and whiny like you think all of us are, I wouldn't have felt the way I do now. I used to be bitter about how unfair life is and trust me, that aint a good feeling. Your assessment of a 'peterson cultist' is a broad generalization. Every person's fanbase can consist of a wide spectrum of people with varying temperaments. I dont really know what youre basing this off either. I could use the same language you used to describe Peterson's fans to describe an alt-right, a radical leftist, a social justice warrior, a nazi, a nationalist, a football fan, a movie fanatic and everyone in between. Do you really think that millions of people follow him coz theyre all bitter? He hasnt alienated anybody. Look at his family. His marriage and the millions of people that adore him. Several people travel across the world to listen to him speak and thank him for saving their lives. Sure it may resemble a cult, but he isnt giving people orders. He isnt manipulating the people or the truth. People adore him for his insights, wisdom and assistance. Not for one instance did his solution involve 'blaming the enemy'. All his advice literally revolves around taking responsibility for actions and even tragedies that happen to befall upon you. I will add a video link down below. Unedited, straight from the source. Give it a watch th-cam.com/video/DzbWnaK46tw/w-d-xo.html Im sure im one of those 'peterson bots' lol. I know that im the reason for most of my problems and I have friends that are gay who share the same sentiment. We discuss his work and his talks about it once in a while. Jordan is a good man but youre willfully blind. I hope you do 'better' research. Id like to see some citations for your claims. Im curious where youre getting your information from xD.
Why’s it so hard for people to admit that we have animalistic traits. It makes absolute sense that deep down the creation of beauty products is definitely deeper than just wanting to look good.
Le reddit silver member which still goes back to the question, why do you wear make up or use beauty products? It’s either to enhance the looks or to improve temporary confidence hence leading to looking better.. atleast those are the points that I can think of
and like jordan was saying, what does "I want to look good" even mean because as far as I can tell "looking good" is pretty inherently sexual. The very definition of what "looks good" is pretty much defined by sexuality
It's just to attract opposite sex as simple as that. That's why girls rarely care about their look in all girls school. While guys don't comb their hair when girls not around.
itsC0ll0n Looking good is not inherently sexual. If you’re a straight guy and you compliment a guy on how good his outfit is (“hey man, that’s a really nice suit”) you’re not asking to suck his dick. Wearing good makeup is the same thing as wearing nice clothes and accessories, it’s just that it’s hard for some guys to understand because makeup isn’t part of their routine, and they think of it as something ‘extra’. As a guy, have you never complimented a girl on how nice her shirt/sweater/outfit is without any sexual intent? Maybe it’s hard to understand for guys who don’t pay attention to how they dress and look (and thus don’t appreciate when someone else dresses well; some people are just like that), but it’s very natural for those who do. Plenty of straight guys want to dress well around each other not cause they subconsciously want to start an orgy but because they don’t want to look like bums. People dress well in the workplace and out in the open for the same reason-it’s perfectly possible they’re trying to pull someone but 99.9% of the time they just don’t want to look like someone who doesn’t take care of themselves. This is unrelated to office attire policy or whatever but I just thought that it was important to make this distinction clear.
Make-up is not always sexual signalling. Women do not generally go to work dolled up as if they're on a date. Women want to look presentable. I csn count on getting rude comments from people regarding my appearance if I show up to work with a naked face. One can only hear "You look tired" "Are you okay? Are you sick?" "Why are you so pale?" "Why do you have dark circles under your eyes?" "That vein/birth mark is really prominent" "Oh sorry, I thought you were this other (male) associate" and it goes on, and on, and on. Jordan Peterson needs to realize that women can't win, no matter what we do. I'm gonna wear make-up so I don't have to hear bullshit all day, and if someone like him decides to try and give me shit for it then there's gonna be HR getting involved.
I love Joe Rogan's Podcast. It really helps being open minded and I really hope Rogan doesn't ever allow criticism to stop these conversations. This is what we need.
Alot of people missing the point. Jordan is not saying anything bad about makeup at all. Hes trying to have a discussion about where the line is drawn. He used makeup as an example. Saying if people can control speech and gestures how far are they trying to go.
Josh G 800 likes to 80 dislikes at the moment for the video. So it is safe to assume that majority of the people who have watched the video, are not having a problem with Peterson's point. However, in these kinds of videos, the people who are extremely offended and riled up, will find the energy within themselves to make a comment. That is why you see much toxicity in the comment section of these videos. An offended person talks with his heart, not his mind.
no that wasn't what people were upset about, it was that he believes the why women wear heals and makeup. To be honest why not talk to a professional woman as to why they wear heals and make up. I willing to bet it's not because they want to sexualize themselves up. Which is what he firmly believes. THAT was what people are questioning him about.
I don't think that women think that makeup and high heels sexualize themselves any more than men think of suits as "uniforms" or ways to express modesty... he's saying that it's an implication that hasn't been addressed directly in such a way that we would change it. It's more that we're following a way of doing things as "this is how its done", and it was set up to be done that way 50-70 years ago.... wouldn't that be worth questioning at this point?
@Morgan Blair - Have you've seen the full uncut Vice video? He's not saying women dress up in heels and wear makeup and are sexulized as a result of an implication nor is he saying men wear suits to be in uniform is a result of an implication. He firmly believes women wear heels and make up to make themselves sexually attractive. And he firmly believes men wear suits as not to bring attention to themselves. That's the issue. He wrong on both accounts as least to the majority of the situations. Sure there are instances women can use makeup and heels sexually , and yes there are some men who wear a suit because they have to. But both sexes wear these attire to look professional, to look proper. to look respectful and to exude confidence. I think Peterson can be fascinating to listen to but what happens is many of his fans hang on to his every word as if it's infallible and he can't possibly be wrong.
He should randomly say consecutive numbers during his interviews, that way we’d know how much they skipped or rearanged. It would also be totally bonkers and fun
You can't come to work naked? Well, i don't know what planet you live on, Jordan, but i go naked at work everyday. My boss took it even further. He took off his skin and now he's just raw meat. People are very different where i come from. But it works.
When Peterson was talking about not having enough patience i honestly laughed out loud, if it was me i would pat myself on the back for not caving their skull in.
I very rarely agree with things Jordan says but damn is his demeanor refreshing. He sounds like a totally self aware, pleasant, respectable person who acknowledges his own faults.
I'm not a Peterson fan, but I've read his book in full and do observe him to have a wider opinion and I think this is what keeps me on his side of most arguments. He does not bullshit his flaws away but rather accepts them and asks you to discern your own opinion of his good and bad positions by yourself. I think it makes him a true intellectual speaker rather than just a popular or widely liked one, and is sadly missed in academia.
As long as people are not being intellectually dishonest, we should be able to respectfully disagree with each other. The problem is that we live in a post-truth, post-trust, virtuousness found in lying and dishonestly, rather that truth and fairness. Winning is more important that being factually correct or morally or ethnically true.
Everytime JP looks up and thinks for 2 seconds, grab the popcorn, hide your wives, put on your shoes, cuz we're about to be blessed with a fucking articulate wisdom bomb
Peterson did not suggest women should not wear make up to work but he certainly has some f*cking weird ideas about red lipstick and blush. Simple questions: 1. What happens when she wears the “natural look” ? You know Jordan, the no makeup look 2. Is Jordan sexually repressed?
This conversation puts us back in the dark ages. How about Men learn to contain and control themselves when in the presence of a woman. Makeup is a part of grooming. I find it amazing that in the year 2019, we are still being treated like children when interacting with the opposite sex. Let men and women figure it out. Life is life, people are people. You can't regulate or police human behavior. These types of discussion, when heard by the wrong people, enact segregation and weird dystopian rules, like we all need to be controlled and told how to think.
It really honestly confuses me how they can't even answer what "they want to look good" means when it pertains to makeup. Psychology or biology can easily answer that question. Why on earth would you act dumbfounded about that. It's so simple.
My favorite thing is integrity that’s why I don’t like “liberals” or “conservatives” because that makes it team bias instead of independent view on multiple topics and acknowledging the other sides legitimacy
Jordan Peterson overthinks things to the point he loses sight of the actual issue at hand. If Jim Jeffries asks him a question about a baker refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, it shouldn't take him "a week" (his words, not mine) to mull over every potential aspect of the issue. He gets lost in his own mind.
I have listened to this a number of times and it really just struck me how much humility he has to admit his error in how he responded in the interview. I mean, such a minor error in his mind, but such an amazing learning point for us as the viewer. How many on the left would be so quick to admit such a minor fault... own it, and then grow and move past it.
Haha, I thought that same thing. Seriously tho, did Vice do his makeup for the interview? What was up with that? He looked like Eddie Munster. He looks good everywhere else.
Funny how Jordo Wacko Peepeeson didn’t make a point to the same degree about the combative and smug nature of Cathy Newman even though she was clearly way more smug and combative. Let’s put on our Captain Obvious caps on and think about why. Oh, right, because Peepeeson came out looking good in that interview whilst he was revealed as the conservative idealist with blatant disregard for actual science scammer he is on the Vice interview (both the full interview and the edited version, he looked bad in both). Cry cry cry is what this guy does when he can’t win a argument. Inb4 people claiming that he is a legit scientist (anybody actually look into his lobster argument? It’s hilariously wrong and not a single credible evolutionary science expert, researcher, and scientist would take his lobster argument seriously). Lmfao. Jordo Wacko Cry Cry Cry Peepeeson. He’s a smart man and is fully aware of his propaganda and utter bullshit he spews being misrepresentations of facts as well as many instances where he is blatantly lying. Him being a smart scam artist doesn’t make him right. Facts don’t care about your feelings Jordo Cry-A-Lot Peepeeson.
Ghost_Bear what's wrong trying to be offensive and smug, isnt that the freedom Peterson says should be sought??? When Peterson is offended, free speech is in peril, when he offends people, freedom ringggsssss
I am Catholic... but I can tell you this; regarding the issue about whether you would bake a wedding cake for a gay couple... my answer on that is simple. Are they going to pay? If so, then yes. I'd bake a cake for anyone if they got the cash. And this goes quite well with my faith, because Jesus said: You should not Judge. Ok... so no problem! I'll bake your cake for you, and you'll pay me, and I'll even deliver it with a smile! That's just good business, and its good manners.
13:25 Jordan says "Cathy Newman is one of the most powerful in Britain". For a very smart guy, he couldn't be any more wrong about that. Didn't know she existed before his interview with her lool
As a woman I don't wear make up to look pretty or to attract anyone. I do it to pamper myself, feel more awake, to lift my mood if I wake up tired/grumpy. I do it to treat myself. I also do it more for women than to men because of the endless conversation starters and small talks it can create. Why do men shave? Should we ban shaved faces at the work place?
A man who sees his own mistakes and accepts he is not perfect. The sign of a man with more brains then me =D I don't claim to be as smart as people like Jordan Peterson, but i like to think im not entirely unreasonable, stupid or incapable of understanding big complex ideas.
The rules for the workplace are ridiculous and impossible especially the ‘can’t look for five seconds’. But I doubt placing that ‘wear no makeup’ policy will do anything. That argument/example wasn’t convincing. There have been countless of incidents where both men and women have been sexually harassed where the individuals were not wearing makeup or dressing up dandy. Even if women were to dress provocatively, there are still boundaries. Wearing makeup to sexually attract still doesn’t give someone the justification to harass them. What happened to mutual understanding and respect in regards to the ‘professional workplace’? There’s a significant difference between finding someone sexually attractive and harassing them because of it. How bout instead of arguing about appearances, we start practising general mental exercises in the workplace. Instil ideas like ‘hey, you’re really hot but unless we both want to engage further, I’ll just keep my body and thoughts to myself.’ At least both men and women would be equal in that sense.
I really do believe that it would be the best interest of People like Jordan to have a copy of the entire interview so that in case these "JOURNALISTS" tries to mis represent him he has his own evidence to defend himself.
Crossing your arms is one of the primary things you never do when having a professional conversation Most people learn about the fundamentals of body language when you're 16, that dude was a douche
I get shit for sticking up for JP.. I understand he has no definite conclusions, most of the time, but that's what I like. I point out the b.s no matter what group opinionated ideals, no matter how strongly embraced/ one-sided they are. Conservative/ Liberal.. I go after one or the other, and i'm labeled. No matter what, i'll get the classic one-liners, and name calling. 5% of the time, I have constructive arguments with someone. Sometimes, i'm proving wrong about certain info.. Something a lot of people can't come to terms with when it comes to politics.. Or the most complicated subjects we face, is admitting when you're wrong. You have to be very simple minded, and easily influenced.. to discredit anyone, who's views differ from your own. Especially when it comes to common fucking sense.
Dr. Peterson has been a light in dark places for some time now. Thank you Dr Peterson for all of your work. It has meant a lot to so many people. For all your short comings we still would not be where we are without u.
@@flipyourprick Theres no vacuum. There are hundreds of intelligent philosophers with interesting takes just as if not more interesting than JP. Problem is people don't fucking read.
damn are nerds like you so damn pathetic looking for anything to reinforce your feelings about stuff. Patrice made a joke that was meant to be taken as a funny joke and not serious fact but losers like you got to grasp at whatever damn straws you can simply to even pretend to have some sort of point. Which honestly is just straight up pathetic.
I worked in a manufacturing plant where the women could wear skirts but the men couldn't wear shorts in the summer. One of the male workers queried this with management and they said he could wear a skirt if he wanted. He turned up the next day wearing a skirt and did so for the next few months until they changed the policy. A legend.
Well because men and women are different...so they don't wear the same clothing.
@@awkwardautistic Exactly. So they should be able to wear shorts
@@chadlinnel5290 should be able to go naked...does it really matter?
@@awkwardautistic I think it most certainly does. If you agree that men and women are inherently different, specifically in relation to clothing, they should be able to wear that of which is equal to that of their female counterparts. Wouldn't you agree?
@@awkwardautistic ultra Chad here... you're above it ALL really
Peterson should wear a visible timepiece around his neck for all interviews.
who came up with this? i red this here in the comments before. very cool idea!
but it could be blurred or something... and there are very subtle ways of editing :/. these medias give much space for manipulation...
Like a giant clock
Now I fully understand flava flave
@@OPShergottite I bet if he made it subtle enough they wouldnt think to blur it and if they did blur it then everyone would immediately know the interview was likely cut up to be misrepresented so I say win either way
“Mr. Simpson, your silence will only incriminate you further. Mr. Simpson, don’t take your anger out on me, get back get back! Mr simp...mr...NOOOOOO”
Joe Rogan may not be the perfect interviewer, but he's literally billions of miles ahead of the average media person who interviews Peterson.
Perfect doesnt exist. JP loses his cool and is wrong about things, I must give him ups for admitting it though
@I_360_No_scoped_JFK I think a lot of people dont, it's a big problem. Its not "pretty much everyone ever".
@I_360_No_scoped_JFK I'm speaking about generally. So to lose your cool to the extent that you refuse to admit you're wrong and this is speaking in the context of someone who has a big outreach, I think some people do it much more than others and that it is much more prominent in others to the point of mentioning. Like someone like Joe I wouldnt say is wrong and loses his cool, sure he is wrong sometimes and loses his cool sometimes like everyone, but not to the extent worth mentioning. Peterson makes bold statements and hints at things that make him look stupid and he refuses to admit that he's made a mistake. He also seems to exaggerate things to the point of the far right who seem to play the "It's a conspiracy because it's against my feelings" card
@@Septiviumexe What sort of things do you think JP exaggerates?
I've not long discovered him so I'm genuinely interested.
@@TheLadyDelirium He pushes the idea that just because certain groups want to be called a certain thing that it "wont stop there.". Which can be applied to any amendment by making it look radical. There are many more but youre better off watching this video, then searching for more, not hard to find.
th-cam.com/video/2FgQ_4h3ilY/w-d-xo.html
3:15 Jordan looked like an unapproving father when Joe swore
Lmaoo
hahahahahahahah that's so damn right!!! hahahaha I loved it when i noticed!!!
Hahahaa thank you
That's not what it was you weirdos, it was more like "what the fuck indeed!"
@@here7036 I can't imagine anyone swears in his circle...
Women can wear dresses and men can't wear shorts at work. I think men need to start a movement for jorts in the workplace #kneetoo #freetheknee
A man in a suit is more attractive than a man in shorts, so it's on the same playing field as a dress actually.
@@shereekidson9323 the f*** are you talking about? What a stupid comment.
All female office workers should be required to wear...TINY MINISKIRTS!!
I wore shorts to work on a very hot, summer day and was told I wasn't being a team player by my boss. None of my co-workers had a problem with it.
@Daytona Says What?!
At least Sheree added something to the conversation, that if we are talking about attractiveness in the workplace then women being allowed to wear skirts is because of attraction and men not being allowed to wear shorts is because of the lack of attraction.
I'd like to add that in professional business settings women usually also wear tights under their skirts to reduce the amount of skin shown. Men wearing shorts don't have that.
What did you add except doubt voiced in a vulgar way?
I watch the full Cathy Newman interview every few months just for the giggles.
So what your saying is....
I mean, say what you will about that interview, but at least she actually put effort into thinking about what her guest was saying. I do appreciate her for that.
watch the Undertale version of it here on yt, if you really want a good laugh!
th-cam.com/video/RwbMdfdrIV8/w-d-xo.html
@@Phoen1x883 Well yeah, but how can they think that the interview went well?
"I make a mistake sometimes in treating journalists like I would treat my graduate students" *oof*
I don't know if I got it wrong but I think he meant that his students are more open minded and journalists can be more malicious.
@@fredtavareshunter yep, that's exactly what he meant!
It's a word play that has two meaning..
@@dulapiip I think he is correct in a sense, but it's not totally sufficient. The grad students will an honest conversation and try to get to the truth without stopping to judge the content. The journalist is not on the same journey for learning. The path of learning is a far more honest pursuit.
In other words, with a high degree of respect.
*JP slouches slightly to the left*
Joe: so he was... left leaning??
😂
Damn 😂😂
Im so loopy and this made me laugh to tears.
😂
I laughed too
3:43
Joe: "I look like a rapist right"
Peterson: "Yes"
Abraham lol I know that was werid
Joe: *flexes*
Oh please
Abraham Poor Joe.
*oof*
People still know who Peterson is... I never heard of the VICE guy again.
Jay Kang.. he’s rightfully been shoved to the fringe but remember the name of that stupid scumbag!
@@manuelmateo3392 Are you Jay Kang in disguise? That's ridiculous. Did you even watch the interview? It was embarrassing, and I'm sure he oversaw the editing seeing as it was his interview.
@@sauceking3344 Interviewers don't do that. They literally send the recording to people who edit it, the interviewer has no input on how it's chopped and screwed. This is in more on Vice's hands than anybody.
@@manuelmateo3392 The editing is horribly dishonest, but Jay Kang wasn't allegedly smug. If you watch the interview that's putting it lightly. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
@@sauceking3344 That Vice is more responsible for the controversy generated, not Jay.
Jordan Peterson should just hire someone to follow him around and record all of his interviews. Like a digital Witness.
Then he could release it on his own channel. = Jordan Peterson Uncut.
Many People would probably be willing to do this for free!
Give him a "Law and Order" feeling intro and I'm in!🤣💖
@@adambaldwin258 In the cutthroat and complex media system, incorrectly cut and edited interviews are considered especially heinous. In Jordan Peterson Uncut, the dedicated assistants who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Assistance Unit. These are their stories.
I would 100% do this if he simply covered my food and hotel expenses. I don't even need anything fancy, Turkey sandwiches and a room at a La Quinta and I'm good.
@@yifanfei8277 I'm dying😄😄😄😂😂
@@Cipher71 you drive a hard bargain Clay
"It isn't necessarily a mistake to lay yourself open to attack, because sometimes it reveals the motives of the attacker." - Jordan Peterson
There are many past great man that already said the same thing Genghis Khan, couple of ronan generals and emperors, and bunch of others.
Though in order for it to become beneficial to you, you need actually survive that attack. And Jordan Peterson did in many cases
I've done this over and over. And everyone always takes advantage.
@@DrGreerIsRight You don't expose yourself completely. You merely let them exploit an opening which could hurt you slightly so that you understand what they are aiming for in their offense. You leave the opening based on your judgement of what you think they are aiming for and use it to understand if you have understood their motives correctly. Then you can use that information to your advantage.
Even a casual quote from JP is wiser than most things one reads in a month
“In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth becomes a revolutionary act”
- George Orwell
You know Orwell was a socialist right?
@@Butjuice69 so everithyng he says suppose to be wrong !?
@@andremickael3859 no, just pointing out he was probably not what this guy thinks he stood for. He was borderline Anarchist.
@@Butjuice69 Orwell was a socialist, but he was highly critical of the socialist movement. He was a staunch critic of totalitarianism, so we can propably rely on his criticisms of oppressive governments or organizations.
@@SomeGuy0192 highly critical of the socialist movement? He fought to bring socialism to Spain haha. Sure he wanted democratic socialism, but the biggest advocate at the time for their flavor of socialism was the USSR, which wasn't hard to denounce.
I really respect his self awareness about his own faults, e.g. "getting hot under the collar." It makes him that much more credible.
And holy shit, Netflix...
Netflix has no chill
What did Netflix do?
The eye contact rules in the work place
He's a charlatan. Here see for yourself. th-cam.com/video/AwXAB6cICG0/w-d-xo.html
Stephanie is fucking hot
2010: "My eyes, up here!"
2020: "Look down perv!"
O o f
A win win scenario 🤣
I would gladly.
I wish
How about stop staring at women while theyre sitting at their desk?
That Vice interviewer was so aggressively ignorant that he was almost unwatchable.
He was a pathetic little jerk...
Where is the full interview?
Jordan Peterson is aggressively ignorant in EVERY FUCKING INTERVIEW and when he gets called out he always has excuses or says he is being misrepresented. The hypocrisy of this guy is unparalleled
@@iamthewalrus4998 explain please lol.
@@Roguenight863 I'll put 20 bucks on "another frustrated leftist".
Jordan Peterson needs to bring this Joe Rogan guy back to his podcast again. He really likes to talk!
Good one .
Joe needs to shut the fuck up and stop talking over guests,. It’s awful.
@@johngrey1074 ,
C'mon, now. Sure, Rogan usually talks too much, but he's an amateur when it comes to interrupting others. The airwaves are full of people who do, and I'm constantly yelling at my TV telling them to SHUT UP and let their guests finish their sentences. In the evening, I'm usually only watching Fox, so I don't know if the other stations are guilty of this, but Fox definitely is. Even those with limited intelligence, such as Hannity, Waters, Bolin, somehow think that their opinions are more valuable than those of their guests. Well, they aren't. They are fools, and the less we have to hear from them the better.
@@johngrey1074 esp when he's got this shallow generic rambling statments that don't add anything of value or benefit and essential say nothing.
Plenty of podcasts out there to listen to and plenty of other videos of Jordan Peterson. Just GTFOH.
How to not be misrepresented... Bring your own camera.
Anthony Arosemena That's what I was thinking as well.
Anthony Arosemena Thats why Michael Jackson had his own camera crew.
Amen to that.
Keelan Murphy where can I find this interview? I can't find it on TH-cam. Sounds an interesting contrast between press and subject, thanks bro.
Never do a recorded interview. OR, insist (on paper, signed and legally binding) that any interview be aired IN FULL, uncut. And STILL have your own camera.
Easy there boys, watch that eye contact.
Hello Mrs Indelicato ......this is just as in 1930 (read history) ...it looks like an old fliff flamm or nesmollfoll from a forest
Im really curious if that eye contact rule applied in male-male or female-female interactions
ZZ TOP whatsup?
@@callanc3925 yeah! Can't work in a hetero-cis-normative workplace now can we
Hey, my eyes are up here. Don't look at them. Look at my breasts.
Even with Vice editing the interview the way they did, JP still goes out of his way to clarify that the video wasn't leaked, but that Vice released it on their own. Good on him
Same
good on vice for releasing the video which shows that Peterson indeed said what was reported.
I don't think Peterson is honest with his cult, but more importantly isn't honest with himself. Something he's struggling with right now...
@@desnock "cult" Nice, you are provoking.
@@srachar Cult is an accurate description, look up the term, and then compare Peterson's cult with other cults. I hope it IS thought provoking, for the love of God!
@@desnock you aren't provoking thoughts, you're being annoying
14:41 Jordan Peterson: It might be time for me to disappear
*Video ends*
He's the dark knight
He's the hero we need
i would be so sad if he got the alex jones treatment, even more sad if he did it to himself :(
That was funny, right?
Samuel Mass , but, sadly, the hero the world doesn’t deserve.
J.P. is a red belt in Mental Jiu-Jitsu.
Yeah
D'arce choking mfs.
I wouldn't be surprised if he knows at least one of the Martial Arts.
Yeah. Facing a fake mental aikido beginner.
Nah he's a red belt
That interview made me unsubscribe from vice
same here!
You should remove your purple hair dye face tattoos and nose piercing while youre at it
Commas please
bre dono same
bre dono,
Too bad it didn't make you think of leaving the planet.It's not too late.
One thing about the makeup point: I feel like he lumps *All* makeup into just being sexually provocative when its not true. What about women who want to cover up their facial scars, pimples, eye bags, etc? This is not being sexually provocative, but being presentable to society standards. Obviously showing up to work looking haggard and tired is detrimental to how your boss and coworkers perceive you, its some womens way of making themselves presentable. Also he says that red lipstick simulates the lips getting red during arousal, but what about nude lipsticks? Many more women wear that then red lipsticks, are nude lipsticks sexually provocative then?
Also, people are so angry for his comment that "wearing makeup is sexually provocative" because people immediately link that to sexual assault, and people think that he is then blaming the women for encouraging the assault when this is not the case. Obviously Jordan Peterson is not making that point, but people have been jumping to that conclusion. For all of his wisdom, it baffles me that he didn't phrase that sentence differently
I wear mauve lipstick, foundation, and mascara at work. This is obviously not the same as being dolled up for a date. I've shown up with a naked face to work and gotten all sorts of rude comments about my appearance, and honestly, just wearing minimal make-up shuts up 99% of the idiots. I'd be pissed if someone like JBP came in, and tried to give me shit for that. Women just can't win.
Louder for the people at the back 👏👏👏
I saw that interview.... I am a woman, I really like Jordan. I like people to say "I don't know"..if they don't know
I don't know what you mean by woman. Do you mean woman woman or cock and balls woman? Current year is complicated
Is it because it is an act of submission, and it makes you feel powerful?
J W this is stupid, don’t put your idea into her. It’s not about she being smarter, it’s her point of view about a smart person (JP) He’s smart enough to know there’s so many issues we don’t have an answer for and it’s okay to accept it.
@@RottenfruitQueen if this is true, then why do so many people pretend to know everything? What is their motive if not to maintain some perceived dominant position?
@@edwardk3 psychology, we all did this at some point tbh even if we like to admit it or not. I recommend you to go and find some books about it, it's very interesting
3:15 when you curse in front of your parents
lmao so true hahahha
I love him. It’s not even intentional, but Jordan just lets his emotions show when he’s bothered by the actions his buddies make.
Salion. Hahahhaha, good catch
Lol
@Mr Daddy Please Spank Me And Nobody's made that jump except you buddy, sorry you're into incest.
No eye contact for more than 5 seconds?
"Excuse me, sir. My breasts are down here."
Came full circle didn't it? We stopped looking at their breasts and they started getting insecure about it, 1 in 5 women now have plastic boobs and it still didn't work 🤣 now we're just not allowed eye contact. That'll force it.
That last sentence. “It might be time for me to just disappear altogether”. Strange how things all came to be after that. Thank god Jordan is healthy again.
Its too perfect, this unfolding of life
It is indeed time for him to disappear altogether to get the help that he needs, and to force his cult to personal responsibility - though to be sure they'll just look for another internet daddy for the most part...not sure who to feel more sorry for...
@@desnock good luck to you Lily and I hope your life is a happy one! Sincerely, JumpingcJackFlash. Or, a 'cult' member, as you put it. But a human being first and foremost I hope you'll remind yourself.
@@056709061 if only the projection wasn’t so obvious. Take that observation seriously from someone not a part of your cult.
appreciate the reminder that we are all human, regardless of its lack of application to my comment.
He should get help, as should his cult. No, not interested in being your replacement patriarch ;-)
@@desnock sorry to hear. Brighter times ahead I hope.
Can we talk about how well dressed Peterson is all the time ?
His suits are fire 🔥
It must be tailored for him, it's perfect compared to store bought
Well why would you not get them tailored in his place
It arouses me he should wear t shirts
He actually talks about this in his books and in other interviews about how he had to consciously dress the way he does. It's not his style, but since he became this public figure, he really focused on it.
@@andrewdence8632 Lol I'm not buying that. You don't dress that way unless u want to. The god complex some ppl have on this guy is a little too much
9:15 Very important point about this issue: With the baker in Colorado whose case went to the Supreme Court, he didn't refuse to serve the gay couple, he only refused to make a wedding cake specifically. Nobody is saying they shouldn't have to serve gay people. He said he'd bake any other kind of cake for them just not a wedding cake because that would violate his religious beliefs and artistic freedom. This is probably why the Supreme Court agreed with him and he won that case.
What if it’s for an interracial marriage?
@@FoddyFogHorn 2 dudes? ;)
I thought about the issue and came to the conclusion that the baker should not care what the cake is for, meaning if they asked for a normal cake that they happen to use in a wedding its none of the bakers business. Baker should only have right to refuse to put a specific design (being offensive or in this case against personal beliefs) since the issue would then become about freedom of speech/expression for the baker
@@bley99 My understanding is that they don't have premade wedding cakes. They are usually like 3 tiers and kinda pyramid looking. Apparently, sometimes, a bakery person has to be at the wedding to keep that thing standing, too.
@@bley99 Essentially the lesbian couple asked for a custom wedding cake and the baker said no. The baker instead offered any of their non-customized selections but the lesbians kept pushing for this particular one. It should also be noted that they asked around at four or five other bakeries for this custom cake beforehand... either they were searching for a baker to refuse them or they went out of their way to make trouble for these bakers just to cause trouble. Either way I think it's a very stinky case and free-association is an incredibly important freedom that seems completely lost in our society now
“It’s a question. We don’t know”
I liked that.
stating that "we don't know" is also taken as an offense by those people because they think they already know everything and deviating must therefor be racist, misogynist, etc because there is only one allowed way of thinking.
streglof Yes! Doubt is not acceptable at this time. Saying "Well I'm not sure", "I don't know (yet)" is a strength. We think, grapple, learn, fall out...it's all good.
But woe betide you if you can't pitch your tent in Blind Certainty right now. Depressing.
We don't know, so we do nothing and maintain the status quo. That's what Jordan wants.
I really liked thaaat
@@bananian
I don't believe that notion at all, so maybe I wasn't clear. It's absolutely right to say you have no clue but something must be done to rectify that to move on.
I agree with you that things would become stagnant otherwise. I don't infer this from Peterson, however he talks some tripe at times.
Why do some people call peterson a fraud i wouldnt say hes always right but hes not a liar and hes definitely way smarter than like everyone
They hate men , they hate their dads, they are marginalized people who want to flip the table over because they don’t fit the ideal, so they want to make marginalized people normal people and normal people need to be marginalized.
@@Earthad23lol i agree but that's called they want power!
@Sceptic 03 "he sucks " aka he disagrees with me.
He also has something that all his woke critics utterly lack - the capacity for self criticism.
Because anyone who takes a moment to break down the awfully over-dramatic and wishy washy terminology he uses to either disguise bigoted views or just rebranding cookie cutter advice... Realises he's just a grifter.
- I have been studying psychology for over half a decade, can definitely say that he rarely applies actual psychological evidence to his arguments and views, he's all feelings over facts ironically.
Yes, I'm a dude, straight and cis-gendered. You fanboys should really hop out of that neck bearded circle jerk, it's cringe.
Jordan Peterson is an important voice in today’s insanity
>true atheists are also killers
He was asked what in his view would a true atheist look like (cause he said "People who call themselves atheist aren't actually true atheists" and apparently it burned some fedoras xd) and he answered that in the Roskolnikov scenario the atheist would just said yolo and killed an old hag - that doesn't mean he thinks all atheists = killers
the voice of Kermit.
He's a fuckin idiot that just proven wrong by Jim Jefferies." It's too complicated"
Crane god you're childish. Context isn't your forte is it?
Peterson is an insane voice only adding to today's insanity. He's a fucking idiot m8.
I hope this man never disappears, he saved my life, men in today’s world have no motive, Jordan’s Peterson is giving us that back, I’m not religious but god bless this man
Hopefully he can get the help he and his family need right now. My heart goes out to them.
Luke Silletta what happened?
Callum Johnston Agreed & well said.
He saved my life too. Women here. But point is this amazing human speaks to us on the most honest level that our souls can hear it.
Agreed
Jordan "the devil is in the detail" Peterson.
Jordan "dominance hierarchy" Peterson
The morons that do the "phrase in quotations in the middle of their names" comments.
He’s not wrong though
@@markjames2909 Steven "ironic" James L
*bloody
I’m going to say that a uniform for the workplace is completely out of touch with reality seeing that the military has some of the highest rates and issues with sexual harassment and assault
These people are nuts. They think women are harassed because of their clothes 🤷
@@CrazeeFy Repacked conservative talking point.
Women still wear make up in the military wtf are you talking about lmao
1.3 million watched the Vice interview and 2 million watched this JRE clip.
JP still sounded like a psycho. He pulls this shit where he's like "I'm not saying this...but I'm also saying it". The makeup thing made him look like such a fucking idiot. Women don't wear makeup to be "more sexually appealing". Most women only do it because it's expected of them, and even if it wasn't, it's no different than someone wearing their favorite shirt or getting their shoes shined. People take you more seriously when you make an effort to look your best.
@@trollnerd I think that is jp's whole point about the make up thing. It is expected in today's society, but the fact about the signals it send is something people seem to ignore.
@M S That's 100% false. You are making the insanely incorrect assumption that any attempt by a person to increase their visual appearance is for the purpose of attracting sexual partners. For instance, if you were going into a business meeting with a male investor, wouldn't you wear your nicest clothes, comb your hair, shave, etc, i.e. make yourself look as presentable as possible? Does that mean you're trying to fuck him? No, It's just a way to make yourself more presentable and pleasing to look at, which may in turn make a person take you more seriously or be more likely to want to go into business with you. Make up is no different than shaving, or putting in hair gel, or putting on a nice suit, or getting your shoes shined. The fact that you don't realize this makes me think you're the naive one that you've never actually been in an office or worked in a corporate environment.
In case that didn't convince you, maybe you can answer this for me. There are several women in the office that I work in who are over the age of 60 and have been married for a long time. They wear make up every day to work. Do you think they are trying to get laid? Do you think it's appropriate to make sexual advances toward these women? OR is she only "asking for it" when its a hot 22 year old intern?
@@Edimonde makeup doesn't send any "signal" it's just a way for a person to improve their visual appearance. It's no different than wearing nice clothes or a Rolex watch or hair gel. If these things are only to attract sexual partners then why do people dress nicely or put on makeup even when they know they wont be in a situation with the opposite gender? It's not someone else's job to make sure that YOU are not sexually attracted to them. It's your job to read the room and act appropriately.
@@trollnerd name checks out
Joe you are a decent interviewer in your questions and tolerance to different opinions but PLEASE LET PEOPLE FINISH A THOUGHT.
Also Joes mancrush towards Jordan is really obvious and it makes the convo weird.
Hi there , Im with Joe now he said thanks a lot for your opinion it really means a lot to him and he will really consider it.
@@barrychuckle2190 why talk utter crap? Oh the typical full of shit american thing sorry i forgot about that
True. Cutting people off should be left for people like Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel etc.
@@CDB665 it's not man crush it's ego. Whenever an intellectual steps in or someone with a fascinating story he constantly interrupts to let his subscribers know that he contributes to his own enterprise.
Much like a frat boy that just adds his name to a project done by others.
The simple fact that this guy is willing to admit his mistakes makes his opinions so much more valid to me. Thanks for posting this interview Mr. Rogan. I only wish I could see the entire interview at one time instead of having to find the next installment. Peace ya'll.
Andrew Tofflemire you can get the full one look up jre Jordan peterson
What mistakes are you referring to that he admitted?
mnyfrnthg his Jim jefferies interview stands out to me the most
mnyfrnthg and he admits to one here
@@maquinadeguera are you talking about Rogen or JP?
Hes allowed to be frustrated, with every interview hes done, they've gone after him in a horrible way, they dont seem to understand because they've got a narrative to sell
....and it happened again
Maybe this is why SO MANY people meet their spouse AT WORK!!!!
Stats?
@@OlviMasta77 *raises arm*
I ate a footlong sub...
Stats?
Nick Terrone raises dick
@@OlviMasta77 i can look it up for you if you want to. the workplace is - at least was- by far the most important meeting point for later marriage. if i remember it correctly 34% of couples met at the workplace. another interesting fact: the main reason for the rising gini coefficient is, that the main road to wealth (marry your boss) was effectively closed by... well i dont want to point my finger on anybody (the paper is publicly available on university of heidelberg but its in german)
1:20 "Some of it is probably my own inadequacy...."
Holy dooley, Dr. Peterson actually walks his talk!
Is that a man cow refrence?
Peterson should have a recording of the original interview, unedited, given to him as a precondition of any interview he does. Thus he can make public the entire interview if he feels he has been misrepresented.
That would be a good start.
Even better is that whomever is performing the interview. Release an edited version however the interviewer wants it edited. Then release an unedited version at least within 3 days.
I'd just hire my own camera guy who films separately as a precondition for interviews.
Everyone should act like that upon being interviewed.
Jordan at the end: It might be time for me to disappear altogether.
Me discovering Jordan in 2020: F
he's back brother
When Jordan said "it may be time for me to disappear altogether"... I felt that. We need you now more than ever Dr. Peterson. We miss you. Hope all is well.
Where’s he been?
Woodle He had a bad encounter with benzodiazepines.
@@user-qc3dn2el6j I believe he's rehabbing in Russia
I'm doing his self authoring suite and I emailed the support staff asking if he will return to public engagements soon and someone responded that he is "planning to return to work as soon as he can." I also saw somewhere that he is working on his new book so hopefully he will do publicity for the book when it's ready.
fenixrising1972 that’s really good to hear! Also, if you look at his daughter’s (Mikhaila) Instagram she mentioned that 2021 will be a busy year for him. So hopefully we’ll get to see and hear him speak again soon with such encouraging signs!
Personal experience from a woman-
I wore a dress to the office, honestly about 2 inches above the knee, form-fitting. Got pulled into the office about complaints. I worked with all women.
Come summer, co-worker wears short shorts, a good few inches above the knee & tank top, form-fitting. *crickets*
I complained to another coworker, a really friendly lesbian. She broke it down as Karen looks like a librarian no matter what she wears& I “ooze sexuality” no matter what I wear (her words).
No matter what the dress code says, it boils down to how you rock it coupled with how intimidating it is to those less attractive than you. Sad but true.
Veronica Christopher facts ! They only complain if you look good
No offence but this is extremely narrow minded.
@@MasterShakeLad tell us the truth then
Sam The Slouch The truth?
Brad1156 My problem with what she wrote is that she transitioned from personal experience with absolutely no reference to any statistical data to a broad sweeping statement about the topic. It's is in no way fair to say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "No matter what the dress code says all that matters is how you look in it and how many less attractive people are intimidated by it". This is an entirely biased and emotionally charge statement. Whether or not the majority of cases are exactly that is entirely irrelevant. The moment you believe life is a simple fork in the road is the moment you're lost.
I’m unsubbing to VICE now after barely finding out they were purchased by DISNEY🤦🏻♂️
Yea, i was a big fan until the purchase. Went downhill fast...
Yo what the flying fuck, disney bought them?
What???????????
That explains it. Everything owned by ABC/Disney is a propaganda outlet. Look what they did with ESPN. Watch any show on the Freeform channel. See what they did to star wars. Every show or movie produced by them is filled with propaganda.
So is fox
Makeup CAN be used as sexual signaling, but saying “it’s not even a question! Obviously it is”, implies that it always is, and based on my 30 years of being a woman, and being close to many women, I’m led to believe it usually isn’t. I was most into makeup when I was a preteen, I know asexuals who love makeup. Makeup is a creative outlet, and when used to make a person like their appearance more that day, that could be something that is only for themself, or could be a way to make them feel more secure socially, regardless of whether or not they will be encountering people of their preferred sex.
i agree. i myself have female friends who wear makeup when they're all on their own, jordan is delusional
@@bie-p1l yes I have girlfriends that love dressing up and then doing their chores. Like she wanted to try out colors and lipsticks mascara and played with it. So really he was way off with the comment
Peterson doesn’t know anything about women but he’s always making definitive statements about them
@@kokoorp4600 He's a clinical phycologist. I think he knows a lot about both men and women.
@@bie-p1l Jordan is not delusional. The core purpose of makeup is sexual signalling. You may use it for fun or for "art", but the archetype makeup routine (ie red lipstick, rouge, eye liner etc) are specifically designed to sexually attract men.
That journalist was so smug and obnoxious . Jordan was polite if you ask me.
jordan was polite for a maniac
IRAKnROLL I’m left leaning but thought the journalist was smug. What now?
I'd be smug to if I was talking to an idiot who thinks men and women can't work together in a professional manner.
It kinda sounds like he's being smug right now. He sounds like he's explaining himself. I agree with some things he says but he comes off smug sometime (not his fault he's a professor ) it's strange watching him call swome else smug lol
Lightbringer Well it's good that Jordan Peterson never took that position. Seems like you need to revisit the interview.
Vice is terrible journalism
Absolute trash. So intellectually dishonest.
Not always man ! They have some good work and some shit work
depends on their subject politically yes however their work on gangs and drugs are awesome
Its not even journalism
Their only good journalist is Hamilton Morris.
The level of competence this guy possesses is off the charts. Wish him the best in healing and continuing to help so many people
I agree
incompetence, sure - but that's likely due to the addiction and fact that he couldn't cut the university or practice of psychology anymore, so he decided to sell books and tell incels their anger was justified - you know, like Hitler/Trump. Hate is unfortunately a popular industry in certain minds.
@@desnock Anger was justified coz they felt bitter and bitterness leads people to do horrible things. Its a human tendency. He says the anger maybe justified but its not okay for you to act on it. The only way forward is to get better and improve and learn to not be bitter. Youre misrepresenting him. You clearly dont know anything about him. Your probably see snippets of heavily edited clips that try to slander him and dont actually listen to anything he says for real because that may break your perception of him.
Youre married to the idea that hes a bad man. Whats wrong with trying to encourage young men to get their life together? Nobody is doing that. Several people have gotten their lives back on track thanks to him.
@@TangerineGrizzly I'm not misrepresenting his bias towards the left (nor his conflation of all his enemies into a general "us vs them" standard that cults require to sell their BS), or his popularity with groups in the the alt-right, at all. He admits that many of his fans are incels, so I think you're trying to put a false face on the kind of bias he extols. He justifies their bitterness, and....that's it.
I would agree he and his band of incel-losers shouldn't be so bitter, but he and his cult are some of the most bitter people one can meet, so whatever he's advising hasn't worked for him or his cult. They can be helped by significant therapy and growing the fuck up. The man almost died from anxiety and depression that resulted in a drug addiction. It's simply not working (most especially for him, never mind his sad sack followers). He may be fooling folks more desperate than him, but most demagogues find people who are desperate. I have certainly seen him in multiple settings, so the idea that I'm not familiar with his biases and failures is simply not true. As I've studied cults including their leaders, I can say with certainty he's running a cult. I would simply ask you to look up what a cult is, objectively compare the Peterson cult to it and then we can have further discussion on how to get you out of it. Deprogramming is a process.
I'm not marred to any idea. I've consciously studied the rhetoric and behavior and outcomes of the man (among others of his ilk, many from cults and/or religious figures, but also political figures), and certainly one can assess his group of folks with daddy issues that is experienced on a daily basis on social media where the Peterson cult member tends to be the least literate, the most emotional and the most in crisis. Most judgemental, most biased, least amount of common sense, the list goes on. They mistake being an asshole for being strong and then complain even more when that doesn't work for them and they end up worse off, alienating everyone around them, not unlike Peterson's own story. That people have pitied him even though he's been a royal asshole to them is a testament to those who put up with him, not him. Does this compute?
The problem of what's wrong with telling incels to get their life together is the bias he installs on rather dumb and desperate never adulted boys that don't take personal responsibility and like their daft leader, blame the "enemy" be it women, gays, etc - it's punching down on groups that have been systemically underserved and attacked, and it's evil. These immature assules are in a state of arrested development and Peterson gets them nowhere. Pure and simple. Not a SINGLE person has gotten their life on track because if this pathetic and desperate individual NOT A SINGLE ONE. The proof is there hasn't been a single person in my experience with hundreds of Peterson-bots that is better off. They all remain ready to blame others for their shitty lives. And now feel empowered by this individual that uses Trump/Hitler like rhetoric and sheathes it in Scientology like language. A despicable, desperate person who is in crisis. So I hope he gets the help he needs, but more to the point, hope the people he's made worse off get the help THEY/YOU need.
It's a cult. Do your research. If I'm wrong, then nothing to fear. If I'm right, no need to thank me other than getting out...ASAP.
God Bless.
@@desnock He speaks against the left, but if you actually listened to him, youll know he actively speaks against the extreme right. He has constantly encouraged people to read the Gulag Archipelago which is an account from one of the inmates of the gulag to educate people about the horrible tragedies of political tyranny and authoritarianism and the damages it can cause to people and society. He has openly expressed disgust over the evil of it all. He doesn't really represent a 'side'. He attacks the left and the right both but the right doesn't have a significant voice in mainstream media after the left won the culture war hence the lack of criticism. He has, on multiple occasions called himself a classical libertarian. And thats a good place to be politically.
He admits that most of his viewers are 'young men' not incels. Unless you think all young men are incels ( In which case there is no hope for you) I dont know why you would say that. First off theres nothing wrong with young men seeking support from a man who asks you to 'clean your room', ' take responsibility for your actions' and 'get your life on track' when many young men are hated on by radical leftist mobs in pop culture and labelled toxically masculine just coz they are men. And whats wrong if incels watch his content? Thats great. At least theyll stop being bitter and make an attempt at improving their lives instead of whining and complaining.
He doesn't justify their bitterness. He explains that bitterness is futile and you better take responsibility for your tragedies and put your life back on order. If anybody is putting a false face on him, its you. Just the first paragraph of what you wrote is enough for me to know that youve not actually watched anything from him unedited. You probably got all the information of him from shady articles from radical leftists trying to slander him and heavily edited videos.
What do you mean by 'his advice isnt working for his cult'. First off, I disagree that it is a cult and second,several people, both men and women give him credit for saving their lives from the doors of suicide. Not being dead is working great for many people I assume but you could make arguments otherwise(especially if youre obsessed with Hitler)
Yeah tell depressed people to grow the f*uck up. Very helpful. Jordan overworked himself and was diagnosed with depression and was recommended benzodiazepines which caused his body to have a paradoxical reaction which resulted in a physical dependence. This is the truth. What you did there was more lazy mischaracterization and zero fact checking.
You ate indeed not familiar with him at all. Ive scoured the internet for criticism against him, but none of it criticizes his ideas. They seem to criticize what they think he said or what they want him to say to make him look bad. If he said something preposterous, Id have no problem disagreeing with him. I dont agree with everything he says and I dont consider him a messiah. But I think hes a good man that means well. He really is helping a lot of young men get their lives on track. My life is a testament to that. I went from lazy, irresponsible and extremely neurotic to disciplined and having relatively nice things to say about life. If I was bitter and whiny like you think all of us are, I wouldn't have felt the way I do now. I used to be bitter about how unfair life is and trust me, that aint a good feeling.
Your assessment of a 'peterson cultist' is a broad generalization. Every person's fanbase can consist of a wide spectrum of people with varying temperaments. I dont really know what youre basing this off either. I could use the same language you used to describe Peterson's fans to describe an alt-right, a radical leftist, a social justice warrior, a nazi, a nationalist, a football fan, a movie fanatic and everyone in between. Do you really think that millions of people follow him coz theyre all bitter?
He hasnt alienated anybody. Look at his family. His marriage and the millions of people that adore him. Several people travel across the world to listen to him speak and thank him for saving their lives. Sure it may resemble a cult, but he isnt giving people orders. He isnt manipulating the people or the truth. People adore him for his insights, wisdom and assistance.
Not for one instance did his solution involve 'blaming the enemy'. All his advice literally revolves around taking responsibility for actions and even tragedies that happen to befall upon you. I will add a video link down below. Unedited, straight from the source. Give it a watch
th-cam.com/video/DzbWnaK46tw/w-d-xo.html
Im sure im one of those 'peterson bots' lol. I know that im the reason for most of my problems and I have friends that are gay who share the same sentiment. We discuss his work and his talks about it once in a while. Jordan is a good man but youre willfully blind. I hope you do 'better' research.
Id like to see some citations for your claims. Im curious where youre getting your information from xD.
3:16 Jordan Peterson is like: Watch your language son..!!
...and then it happens again and he remembers that it's a custom in this show
Lol damn
Why’s it so hard for people to admit that we have animalistic traits. It makes absolute sense that deep down the creation of beauty products is definitely deeper than just wanting to look good.
Le reddit silver member which still goes back to the question, why do you wear make up or use beauty products? It’s either to enhance the looks or to improve temporary confidence hence leading to looking better.. atleast those are the points that I can think of
and like jordan was saying, what does "I want to look good" even mean because as far as I can tell "looking good" is pretty inherently sexual. The very definition of what "looks good" is pretty much defined by sexuality
It's just to attract opposite sex as simple as that. That's why girls rarely care about their look in all girls school. While guys don't comb their hair when girls not around.
itsC0ll0n Looking good is not inherently sexual. If you’re a straight guy and you compliment a guy on how good his outfit is (“hey man, that’s a really nice suit”) you’re not asking to suck his dick. Wearing good makeup is the same thing as wearing nice clothes and accessories, it’s just that it’s hard for some guys to understand because makeup isn’t part of their routine, and they think of it as something ‘extra’. As a guy, have you never complimented a girl on how nice her shirt/sweater/outfit is without any sexual intent? Maybe it’s hard to understand for guys who don’t pay attention to how they dress and look (and thus don’t appreciate when someone else dresses well; some people are just like that), but it’s very natural for those who do. Plenty of straight guys want to dress well around each other not cause they subconsciously want to start an orgy but because they don’t want to look like bums. People dress well in the workplace and out in the open for the same reason-it’s perfectly possible they’re trying to pull someone but 99.9% of the time they just don’t want to look like someone who doesn’t take care of themselves.
This is unrelated to office attire policy or whatever but I just thought that it was important to make this distinction clear.
@@callanc3925 naw, I'm just a narcissist
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” - Jordan Bernt Peterson
I kept waiting for the Vice interviewer to come out with, "So you're saying...".
Make-up is not always sexual signalling. Women do not generally go to work dolled up as if they're on a date. Women want to look presentable. I csn count on getting rude comments from people regarding my appearance if I show up to work with a naked face. One can only hear "You look tired" "Are you okay? Are you sick?" "Why are you so pale?" "Why do you have dark circles under your eyes?" "That vein/birth mark is really prominent" "Oh sorry, I thought you were this other (male) associate" and it goes on, and on, and on. Jordan Peterson needs to realize that women can't win, no matter what we do. I'm gonna wear make-up so I don't have to hear bullshit all day, and if someone like him decides to try and give me shit for it then there's gonna be HR getting involved.
And I thought HR job was to only ignore people
I love Joe Rogan's Podcast. It really helps being open minded and I really hope Rogan doesn't ever allow criticism to stop these conversations. This is what we need.
Alot of people missing the point. Jordan is not saying anything bad about makeup at all. Hes trying to have a discussion about where the line is drawn. He used makeup as an example. Saying if people can control speech and gestures how far are they trying to go.
Josh G 800 likes to 80 dislikes at the moment for the video. So it is safe to assume that majority of the people who have watched the video, are not having a problem with Peterson's point. However, in these kinds of videos, the people who are extremely offended and riled up, will find the energy within themselves to make a comment. That is why you see much toxicity in the comment section of these videos. An offended person talks with his heart, not his mind.
Josh G.
no that wasn't what people were upset about, it was that he believes the why women wear heals and makeup. To be honest why not talk to a professional woman as to why they wear heals and make up. I willing to bet it's not because they want to sexualize themselves up. Which is what he firmly believes. THAT was what people are questioning him about.
I don't think that women think that makeup and high heels sexualize themselves any more than men think of suits as "uniforms" or ways to express modesty... he's saying that it's an implication that hasn't been addressed directly in such a way that we would change it. It's more that we're following a way of doing things as "this is how its done", and it was set up to be done that way 50-70 years ago.... wouldn't that be worth questioning at this point?
@Morgan Blair - Have you've seen the full uncut Vice video? He's not saying women dress up in heels and wear makeup and are sexulized as a result of an implication nor is he saying men wear suits to be in uniform is a result of an implication. He firmly believes women wear heels and make up to make themselves sexually attractive. And he firmly believes men wear suits as not to bring attention to themselves. That's the issue. He wrong on both accounts as least to the majority of the situations. Sure there are instances women can use makeup and heels sexually , and yes there are some men who wear a suit because they have to. But both sexes wear these attire to look professional, to look proper. to look respectful and to exude confidence.
I think Peterson can be fascinating to listen to but what happens is many of his fans hang on to his every word as if it's infallible and he can't possibly be wrong.
He should randomly say consecutive numbers during his interviews, that way we’d know how much they skipped or rearanged. It would also be totally bonkers and fun
@Joe Dick LMAO
You can't come to work naked? Well, i don't know what planet you live on, Jordan, but i go naked at work everyday. My boss took it even further. He took off his skin and now he's just raw meat.
People are very different where i come from. But it works.
Abraham
Watch out Jordan has an all meat diet
Why do you think jamie never goes on camera
same
Just bones over here.
Can't tell the difference except for the handbags.
@Boco Corwin we are all steak
When Peterson was talking about not having enough patience i honestly laughed out loud, if it was me i would pat myself on the back for not caving their skull in.
He has taken so much shit, face to face, its astounding. Patience of a saint
I very rarely agree with things Jordan says but damn is his demeanor refreshing. He sounds like a totally self aware, pleasant, respectable person who acknowledges his own faults.
I'm not a Peterson fan, but I've read his book in full and do observe him to have a wider opinion and I think this is what keeps me on his side of most arguments. He does not bullshit his flaws away but rather accepts them and asks you to discern your own opinion of his good and bad positions by yourself. I think it makes him a true intellectual speaker rather than just a popular or widely liked one, and is sadly missed in academia.
As long as people are not being intellectually dishonest, we should be able to respectfully disagree with each other. The problem is that we live in a post-truth, post-trust, virtuousness found in lying and dishonestly, rather that truth and fairness. Winning is more important that being factually correct or morally or ethnically true.
@@WeezaY5000 you're cynical
No. You are.
Everytime JP looks up and thinks for 2 seconds, grab the popcorn, hide your wives, put on your shoes, cuz we're about to be blessed with a fucking articulate wisdom bomb
Sorry but why should we hide out wives?
@@soorajnair150 American expression
To protect her from the bomb of course, silly you.
How does one come to the conclusion that arguing with a psychologist would be a good idea if you have no idea about the topic
Don’t disappear JBP, we need you.
We already lost Hitch, we can’t lose you!
Jordan is an actual intellectual though, Hitchens was an irrelevant arts critic who sought attention by way of political controversy.
@@gmotwmirl hitch is not an intellectual?
Yes.
i like how jordan is comfortable enough to go into ranting mode when on joe's podcast, so wholesome :D
Peterson did not suggest women should not wear make up to work but he certainly has some f*cking weird ideas about red lipstick and blush. Simple questions:
1. What happens when she wears the “natural look” ? You know Jordan, the no makeup look
2. Is Jordan sexually repressed?
This conversation puts us back in the dark ages. How about Men learn to contain and control themselves when in the presence of a woman. Makeup is a part of grooming. I find it amazing that in the year 2019, we are still being treated like children when interacting with the opposite sex. Let men and women figure it out. Life is life, people are people. You can't regulate or police human behavior. These types of discussion, when heard by the wrong people, enact segregation and weird dystopian rules, like we all need to be controlled and told how to think.
It really honestly confuses me how they can't even answer what "they want to look good" means when it pertains to makeup. Psychology or biology can easily answer that question. Why on earth would you act dumbfounded about that. It's so simple.
Because you literally sound like one right now.
My favorite thing is integrity that’s why I don’t like “liberals” or “conservatives” because that makes it team bias instead of independent view on multiple topics and acknowledging the other sides legitimacy
Exactly. I keep saying that if after listening to peterson you comment on how the right or the left are evil, you missed the entire point
Integrity, eh? You must be single.
I freaking LOVE Jordan Peterson!!!
Jordan Peterson overthinks things to the point he loses sight of the actual issue at hand. If Jim Jeffries asks him a question about a baker refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, it shouldn't take him "a week" (his words, not mine) to mull over every potential aspect of the issue. He gets lost in his own mind.
I love how instead of only ranting about the interviewer, he says he made a strategic error himself and has honest personal accountability.
Joe “I look like one, right?” Rogan
I have listened to this a number of times and it really just struck me how much humility he has to admit his error in how he responded in the interview. I mean, such a minor error in his mind, but such an amazing learning point for us as the viewer. How many on the left would be so quick to admit such a minor fault... own it, and then grow and move past it.
Almost stared into Jordan's eyes for more than 5 seconds. Glad i caught myself, didn't want to end up on a list.
Gayyyy
lmao😂 no homo.
Click bait, I was thinking they made Jordan wear makeup for tv interview.
Haha, I thought that same thing. Seriously tho, did Vice do his makeup for the interview? What was up with that? He looked like Eddie Munster. He looks good everywhere else.
he was trying to fuck that reporter
:)))))))
newsflash for men: you can interact with a woman and find her attractive without sexually harassing or assaulting her.
They act like they don't know what sexual harassment is. It's clearly obvious when they don't want to talk to you; it's not complicated.
@@Youcef_ug yes don’t look in a women’s eyes longer than 5 seconds
But women sa men too
So its not a gender but personallity
@@Moesie Feminists a.k.a. femcels will never admit that fact.
Vice interviewer was smug and combative.
Ghost_Bear like they always are smh
Funny how Jordo Wacko Peepeeson didn’t make a point to the same degree about the combative and smug nature of Cathy Newman even though she was clearly way more smug and combative. Let’s put on our Captain Obvious caps on and think about why. Oh, right, because Peepeeson came out looking good in that interview whilst he was revealed as the conservative idealist with blatant disregard for actual science scammer he is on the Vice interview (both the full interview and the edited version, he looked bad in both). Cry cry cry is what this guy does when he can’t win a argument.
Inb4 people claiming that he is a legit scientist (anybody actually look into his lobster argument? It’s hilariously wrong and not a single credible evolutionary science expert, researcher, and scientist would take his lobster argument seriously). Lmfao. Jordo Wacko Cry Cry Cry Peepeeson.
He’s a smart man and is fully aware of his propaganda and utter bullshit he spews being misrepresentations of facts as well as many instances where he is blatantly lying. Him being a smart scam artist doesn’t make him right. Facts don’t care about your feelings Jordo Cry-A-Lot Peepeeson.
Sounds like every Vice piece to be fair. Always some over the top hipster douche anchor.
Nothing wrong with being combative. Journalist's job isn't to play footsies with his guest.
Ghost_Bear what's wrong trying to be offensive and smug, isnt that the freedom Peterson says should be sought??? When Peterson is offended, free speech is in peril, when he offends people, freedom ringggsssss
I am Catholic... but I can tell you this; regarding the issue about whether you would bake a wedding cake for a gay couple... my answer on that is simple. Are they going to pay? If so, then yes. I'd bake a cake for anyone if they got the cash. And this goes quite well with my faith, because Jesus said: You should not Judge. Ok... so no problem! I'll bake your cake for you, and you'll pay me, and I'll even deliver it with a smile! That's just good business, and its good manners.
Jordan Peterson is a lighthouse in this world.
LOL
Nope
3:47 Joe Rogan AGGRESSIVELY flexes muscles and makes prolonged EYE CONTACT with interviewee to assert his MALE DOMINANCE 😂😂
Lol. He must feel inadequate. Lol
13:25 Jordan says "Cathy Newman is one of the most powerful in Britain". For a very smart guy, he couldn't be any more wrong about that. Didn't know she existed before his interview with her lool
As a woman I don't wear make up to look pretty or to attract anyone.
I do it to pamper myself, feel more awake, to lift my mood if I wake up tired/grumpy. I do it to treat myself. I also do it more for women than to men because of the endless conversation starters and small talks it can create.
Why do men shave? Should we ban shaved faces at the work place?
Do you wear makeup more when u are going out or when u are alone. If u do y is that?
A man who sees his own mistakes and accepts he is not perfect. The sign of a man with more brains then me =D I don't claim to be as smart as people like Jordan Peterson, but i like to think im not entirely unreasonable, stupid or incapable of understanding big complex ideas.
Thats crazy but i dont remember asking
"he was _left_ _leaning_ ..."
LMFAO 😂
Lmao
Close your eyes...........now picture Kurmit the Frog.
Keith Jones now you’re thinking with portals
if kermit grew up in ontario
😂😂fuck
Keith Jones my wife said the same thing the first time she heard Jordan. Hilarious.
Keith Jones I’m tired of hearing this. You’re not funny
The Vice guy started out alright but then started into the “do you really mean” and the “do you really believe”? Mistake!
Yes!
Then, after asking such a leading question you edit the given response to suit your agenda.
The rules for the workplace are ridiculous and impossible especially the ‘can’t look for five seconds’. But I doubt placing that ‘wear no makeup’ policy will do anything. That argument/example wasn’t convincing. There have been countless of incidents where both men and women have been sexually harassed where the individuals were not wearing makeup or dressing up dandy. Even if women were to dress provocatively, there are still boundaries. Wearing makeup to sexually attract still doesn’t give someone the justification to harass them. What happened to mutual understanding and respect in regards to the ‘professional workplace’? There’s a significant difference between finding someone sexually attractive and harassing them because of it. How bout instead of arguing about appearances, we start practising general mental exercises in the workplace. Instil ideas like ‘hey, you’re really hot but unless we both want to engage further, I’ll just keep my body and thoughts to myself.’ At least both men and women would be equal in that sense.
Jordan has a “well developed capacity for articulations.”
I really do believe that it would be the best interest of People like Jordan to have a copy of the entire interview so that in case these "JOURNALISTS" tries to mis represent him he has his own evidence to defend himself.
Jordan "I'm not a right winger I'm just asking questions" Peterson
This fella has changed my life for the better love jorden peterson what a guy
Crossing your arms is one of the primary things you never do when having a professional conversation
Most people learn about the fundamentals of body language when you're 16, that dude was a douche
This guy is absolutely brilliant, I can’t imagine what it’s like to lead life with his mind.
It's probably depressing when you're pretty much always surrounded by people who are less intelligent.
It's imaginably absolutely torturous
I get shit for sticking up for JP..
I understand he has no definite conclusions,
most of the time, but that's what I like.
I point out the b.s no matter what group opinionated ideals,
no matter how strongly embraced/ one-sided they are.
Conservative/ Liberal.. I go after one or the other, and i'm labeled.
No matter what, i'll get the classic one-liners, and name calling.
5% of the time, I have constructive arguments with someone.
Sometimes, i'm proving wrong about certain info..
Something a lot of people can't come to terms with when it comes to politics..
Or the most complicated subjects we face, is admitting when you're wrong.
You have to be very simple minded, and easily influenced..
to discredit anyone, who's views differ from your own.
Especially when it comes to common fucking sense.
Dr. Peterson has been a light in dark places for some time now. Thank you Dr Peterson for all of your work. It has meant a lot to so many people. For all your short comings we still would not be where we are without u.
Like Hitler arouse in a vacuum, so has Jordan, and I too am grateful for that. Peace out
@@flipyourprick Theres no vacuum.
There are hundreds of intelligent philosophers with interesting takes just as if not more interesting than JP.
Problem is people don't fucking read.
I hope he can come back to this level...soon. He is good stuff.
What happened to him?
Rutuja Deshmukh another comment said he had a mishap s benzodiazepines
RIP Patrice O'Neal-- Jordan Peterson's views on this subject are parallel to Patrice's Bear joke "women are salmon dipped in honey"
Tito good morning bears!! Lmao. Dude was a legend way too soon.
Tito dude. Wow. Rare does one see a perfect comment on TH-cam. No joke Patrice was ahead of all these guys. All of them.
We are in a time perfect to ear some Patrice Oneal thoughts on all this subject
damn are nerds like you so damn pathetic looking for anything to reinforce your feelings about stuff. Patrice made a joke that was meant to be taken as a funny joke and not serious fact but losers like you got to grasp at whatever damn straws you can simply to even pretend to have some sort of point. Which honestly is just straight up pathetic.
Tito thanks for making that comparison.
Somebody give this men a medal for making sense all the time 👏🏻
@@burntsoup he didn’t say he was right all the time he said he made sense and then you built a straw-man and wrote an essay
Read better
Jordan for PM
PM? Yeah he does sound a bit Pre-Menstrual here.
Calm down