Situational awareness is the #1 lifesaving skill you can have. If I’m about to enter a shady part of town, I load one up. Otherwise, I carry unloaded because for CCW, safety is my #1 priority, not quickness of deployment.
Couldn’t agree more. If you were so blindsided by the situation that the half second to rack the slide makes much difference, you’re not situationally aware enough and you need to work on being more aware of your surroundings. Carrying with an empty chamber allows you the peace of mind of an extra layer of safety. If you feel you’re chances of needing your weapon are higher than normal you can always take a second to put one in the chamber until you’re out of that situation but for the vast majority of the time I’d take the extra peace of mind that the gun literally can’t ND/AD
My exact philosophy. I carry just about everywhere but rarely go anywhere I need to worry about. If I get a bad feeling I'll take the half second to chamber a round but otherwise I would rather not worry about the chance of accidental discharge, no matter how minor that chance may be.
Same with having kids. You could have the best routine and be the most disciplined person that unloads your firearm whenever you get back home and securing that firearm safely away from nosey kids. Until the one time you don't... because we all make mistakes. And we aren't perfect. Carrying one in the chamber opens you up to mistakes... something even the most disciplined shooter can fall victim to over.... years..... and decades of carrying. We are human. We make mistakes. And with kids in the picture, it's a non-negotiable for me. I will not have a racked firearm around my kids for a 0.4 sec faster draw.
@@John-vm2sqexactly my reasoning. I have a young daughter (almost 2) and I know she could pull the trigger but could not pull the slide back to chamber a round. Non negotiable for me
Hey, I understand new carriers being nervous about carrying with one in the chamber. When I started years ago, I too, was nervous about it. And I’ve been shooting all my life but never carried. But the first force on force training class I took cured me of that. I’ll say 7 out of 10 times when the instructors would come at us like they were simulating an attack (especially the knife attacks) I couldn’t get to my gun fast enough without having to use my support arm to keep them off. I could get my gun out, but no way could I use my other hand to rack the slide. And I knew they were going to come at me. In real life, you don’t know. It happens that fast.
Nervous shooters should not be carrying a weapon. Overcome you fear first before someone, the bad guy, takes your weapon from you and hands you your ass.
I agree with you 100 percent. People don't seem to understand how fast the need for your weapon can come up and how difficult it can be to get to it even in perfect circumstances. Even when YOU KNOW ITS COMING. In everyday life you won't be expecting it. Carrying when new can be scary. I'm all for someone carrying the gun unloaded. For a very short time. Just to get used to having it on you. Then upgrade to having the magazine in it. Finally, put one in the chamber. There's not much difference in carrying unloaded than not carrying so if it's for the purpose of getting used to it that's cool. It should be for a limited time though. The quicker you can carry with it ready to go the better imo.
Not every encounter will be like that training class ... That specific encounter showed how important it was to keep it chambered but not all will be like that.
I carry one in chamber with a thumb safety. It's all about comfort level matched with proficiency. If you dry fire regularly, unholstering while taking the safety off will happen almost simultaneously and much faster than racking the slide. Plus it prevents a premature trigger pull that may cause you to shoot your leg or junk off.
@@commenthero2514 No. The firearm can only go off if your booger is on the trigger. Meaning if your finger is on the trigger during the process of drawing before pointing it at the target, you really then need to assess your method of firearms handling and drawing the firearm.
@@Jarrow13 I bet you $10k that you wont put a chambered g*n to your hed OR point that chambered gun to a loved one even with your finger OFF the trigger ... I went to work and put $1000 on the table and told anyone of my co-workers to take their chambered round g*n and point it at their hed WITHOUT the finger on the trigger .... Guess how many stepped up and did it ???? You people are so sure that the gun WONT go off unless that trigger is pulled .... Yet NONE of you have the balls to do what i said .... Because deep down inside, you are SCARED that it CAN and WILL go off ... Why do you think they say to ALWAYS point the gun in a safe direction ??????
Starting out, I was terrified to carry with a chambered Glock 43X… I did my research on the “Glock SafeAction Pistol” and HOURS of videos similar to this one. Eventually, my fear was eased through research, training, and a PROPER HOLSTER (Tulster, always a Tulster). There is never a time that a round is not chambered when my weapon is on me. Thank you for posting this video! I also bought a Striker Control Device (AKA: “The Gadget”) to satisfy my muscle memory of “thumbing the hammer” when reholstering. I was taught to shoot on a Beretta double action and that was drilled into my head, and that little backplate gives that action some meaning with the Glock.
Im 18 and just got gifted my first handgun around 2 months ago almost 3 (glock 19 gen5) and just started carrying one in the chamber and honestly feel so much better with one in the chamber
All these tough guys with vids saying you're not cool if you carry with an empty chamber. What absolute bs. I'm carrying Defensively. I have more than enough time to chamber a round once ive decided to draw. And for the other 99.99999% of the time I've removed the possibility of a negligent discharge and negligent injury.
New carrier here, and yes, I know that a good kydex holster will nearly always prevent a misfire, but I will do the Israeli carry. With IWB, you are going to need two hands to draw no matter what. Yes a half second may make a difference but I don't want to blow my balls away for it.
This right here this is it, paired with what someone else said about situational awareness and if you’re in a space where you feel you need to rack one then so be it. Well said John
Yep, for concealed, you're using your offhand to lift your shirt or clothing...so your offhand is already right there. For me it's this simple. I carry empty chamber because I have kids. That simple. I can be the most disciplined person and have the best routine in clearing my firearm when I get home for the day.... until the one time I don't... Because we are human. It isn't a lack of confidence or a sense of paranoia. It's just me understanding that humans make mistakes. And I will not gamble my kids' own lives (due to a mistake I made) in exchange for a 0.4 sec faster draw.... People think CC always results in some sort of high noon Annie Oakely quick draw. No. It doesn't. If you need 0.99 secs on a draw to kill an attacker, you've probably screwed up somewhere along the line of situational awareness and putting yourself in a bad situation. And carrying concealed, especially around kids, safety should trump speed every time. If you build racking the slide as part of your draw muscle memory, then that is the best balance between safety and being prepared/trained. With kids, it's a non-negotiable. A racked firearm means there is zero zero zero room for error. And I'll be honest, I'm not arrogant enough to think even the best routine and discipline is mistake-proof.
I'd like to suggest that anyone who CCWs try out a USPSA match. Shooting under pressure of the stopwatch will expose all the defects in your gun handling skills. The sheer round count will also ensure that you will have to employ remedial measures; FTF, FTE, mag malf...you name it, it happens in matches. On top of that, the matches are just fun. I was intimidated at first but the people at the matches were super welcoming and helpful. They all have a vested interest in keeping you and themselves safe.
I was in gun fight many years ago. It was two of us against one person. Person pulled gun, and both of us jumped on side drawing our guns. Attacker discharged few rounds, missing us both. I did not fire my firearm due to confusion of concealing myself. My bud did not fire round because he got confused why gun would not fire. After 2 seconds of pure terror, and attacker running away, I was laying on my back following him with my gun (did not shoot) My bud was confused and red in face looking at gun why it did not fire. Eternity later, he said "o s.... safety is on
I agree. Nice demo and video. Having a round in the chamber is advantageous for iwb and owb carry, but the pistol should be in a good holster all the time to avoid accidental trigger pull. Mexican carry or a bad soft holster with loaded chamber is dangerous. But for safety reasons, carry without round in the chamber with fully loaded mag works too, just be fast in racking the slide, only it needs your support hand to charge. But for vehicle, backpack, and fanny pack carry, loaded chamber with fully loaded mag in a holster or no holster is ok. And also, a .45acp pistol with jhp ammo with extra loaded mags reserve is an effective concealed carry.
Great points. Not to mention that having to rack the slide to put one in the chamber, especially under stress, can result in an induced malfunction. I love my Glocks and other striker- fired pistols, but for appendix carry, which is what works best for me, I carry a CZ P07, round in the chamber and decocked.
I live in Houston Texas and I carry every day, but not carry with one of the chamber everyday. If I'm going to a specific part of town then I'll put one in the chamber. But if I'm going to a nice part of town then I may not. For me, I guess it just depends on where I'm at or what I'm doing that determines if I'm going to have one in the chamber or not. That may be a bad habit or a good habit. I don't know. I've never been put in a situation where I needed to use my firearm and hopefully I never will. But I most certainly want to be first to get one off if I had to lol
Same here live in Houston, about to start carrying concealed but not sure about having one in the chamber. Not comfortable with that idea. But I having a concealed weapon is good enough for me
@@Irv23 carry one in the chamber 90% of the time. Inside your house, yeah you can keep the chamber empty if you want or if you have kids in your house. Just take the mag out, rack the slide back and lock it (and put the round that was in the chamber back in the mag) And let it sit like that in your house. Either with the mag next to the gun or with the mag in your pockets and the gun close by. That way you can load the gun quite fast. But the moment someone rings your doorbell or when you leave the house you better carry a loaded chamber and have the loaded gun in reach. The moment you realize a gunfight is about to happen untill it the first round is fired it's 1-1,5 seconds on average. Usually on average 3 rounds within three seconds are fired. There is just not enough time to reck the slide back that 1 second before the shooting starts. Yeah, sometimes you notice that something bad is about to happen because the criminals behave strange and you will recognize it in time to pull out your gun and load a round. But very often you just don't have the time. One second Everything is normal, the next second a gun is already pointed at you. You have to decide what is more important for you: -Carry no round in the chamber out of fear something bad might happen (with the exception of kids at home, then you can or even should carry no round in the chamber, after all there is still a door between you and the criminals) But be unprepared for most gun fights when sh*t hits the fan because you don't have the time to rack the slide or you just forget it. Or Carry a round in the chamber but with the danger of it accidentally discharging and hurting you or someone else, but with the benefit of being able to immediately defend yourself when you're attacked. You have to decide what benefit is more important. A gun to accidentally fired into your leg or you child will accidentally kill you or your child. (Happens several dozend times per year) Or A gun that doesn't fire, when you need it the most because your forgot to load a round in the chamber or because there is no time to do it will also get you and your child getting killed, just because the criminal won't give you time to do it and he will immediately open fire. Or even worse, grab the gun from you, rack the slide and kill you with your own gun. (Also happens several dozend times per year) A gun is a potentially deadly and always dangerous weapon. With and without a round in the chamber, it can always kill you. It can kill because there IS a round in the chamber and it can kill you because there is NO round in the chamber.
I saw a guy who carried a G20 with an empty chamber with a full 15 round magazine. In a offensive situation, he was promptly shot right through his upper chest and folded up like a bug, dead on the ground. That click when he pulled the trigger on his empty pistol was the loudest thing he heard right before he died.
Since I started carrying a firearm, I have always carried one up. My firearms in storage are empty chamber with no magazine. I always know the condition of my firearms (especially my EDC). One up is the way to go with my EDC as you can practice as much as you like and you might be able to get 2 second times on a range with draw, rack, aim and shoot, but all and all, the attacker comes towards you with a weapon that's already drawn and if the attacker is using a firearm it's already one up and drawn, placing you at a huge disadvantage. Doing 2 second draws and rack on a range is one thing doing it consistently is impossible in real life, one being having to draw and rack in awkward spaces as attackers tend to attack when you are in the worst spaces like in your vehicle. So I have my EDC set up with one up and I spent good money on a high quality kydex holster as the holster is a safety of the system I have that consists of a CZ P10S.
i carry one in chamber but look at my video on how fast racking in the pull push method from a glock you can chamber a round from the hip and fire, for me its only at most 2/10 ths of a second difference, so yes having a round in chamber we all know is quicker but this is not to say someone is doomed just because someone is 2/10 th of a second slower on the draw, draw speed is only one of many variables we need to have in a defense situation, to me situational awareness and reading body language can make up for the slower time if one choses to carry with a empty chamber, the argument isnt that drawing with one in the chamber isnt quicker, we all know it is quicker but the argument that being a little slower means doom isnt nessesarily a death sentence because of many variables other then just draw speed have to work in our favor to win the gun fight, in my oppinion its starts with situational awarness, this gives you a head start before he even thinks about drawing on you, other variables like how you use cover, your tactics and so much more i could list, its like a cake recipe, if you dont have all the ingredients (variables) it wont be a complete cake, this why you see though someone has a faster draw speed it doesnt mean they win the gun fight, for example someone who is a crimminal a cop is about to arrest that has no training or skill at all in firearms nor has seen a gun range kills a police officer who didnt see it coming, sadly we dont want this to happen but it shows how speed isnt the "end all be all" in a gun fight, its so much more then your draw, mag capacity and shooting skills because situational awarness is speed its self, reading the cue something bad is going to happen giving you time ahead of the threat, since most defence situations are with in say 7 yards you can rack a slide chambering a round and fire hitting the target still at those short distances, longer distances we should be going for cover if possible right away even if we got one chambered
Yes, one in the chamber ! With my m& p shied 9,or my bersa thunder ! Both have safety,s ! But i worry with my 365 sig with no safe ! It has a tight trigger as well ...
I carry one in the hole also...but with since my pistol has two strike capabilities i wish the first was more of DA (firing pin NOT already cicked back) as if i double hitting a misfire!
From what I have seen Israeli carry conditions are based on outside factors, such as training regularity and how environmental factors weigh in. I carry on the same principals One being I am very new to Conceal Carry. Current prices I only get range time about twice a month and I am not allowed to draw from a holster, so my training for draw is done strictly at home and with a laser Round. Second Factor is that I work from home so my attire mainly consists of gym clothes which lead to my purchase of a G42. I do plan on moving to condition 0 or 1 depending on my future purchases as I also have a Canik TP9SC. Training and Environment are my 2 deciding factors. Love your knowledge and videos!
I would like to add two important details: First, Israeli Law doesn't "require" that you carry Condition 3, but if you do and anything bad happens (like accidental discharge), you will lose you're license permanently. Second, we are not obligated to carry concealed. If you have a license, you can carry any way you want, including total exposed. So the time a lot of people lose from having to rack the slide is around the same as you might lose from having to expose the weapon. Also, I should mention that we practice this method a lot, and learn to purchase the target as we rack the slide. Regardless, Condition 1 is obviously faster. No one can really argue that, but I hope this information helps provide context.
I would love to learn about the chances of you needing your sidearm loaded versus the chances your sidearm could accidentally discharge on you. So far as I can tell weapons draw while racking it should be quick enough for a successful takedown. But thats just me.
@@LifeEnemy who cares about statistics? If you’re within arms reach from your aggressor and you don’t have time to rack your weapon, you’re going to become a statistic. Not carrying one in the chamber is like carrying a rock by that point. There’s a saying that says “not carrying one in the chamber is like trying to put your seatbelt on before your car crashes”. Why would you not want your gun to be ready? I’ve never understood the mentality of carrying without it chambered…
You just nailed what every nitwit on TH-cam fails to think about. According to the 2020 National Firearm Survey, 82% of the time a gun used in a self defense situation NEVER had to be fired. And the FBI has this number above 90%. The very simple facts are you have virtually no chance of needing to shoot your firearm in self defense, but guess what actually does deter 90% of confrontations? The sound & sight of racking a slide. TH-cam "Gun people" making videos never think about the real world unfortunately.
I normaly agree but recently i saw a video of some one having to draw while they were wrestling on the ground with attacker and in situations like that would be hard to rack the slide vs one hand saftey off
One in the chamber argument assumes every altercation is a fast draw scenario. I’d like to see one of these videos show data on how often that’s actually the case. I personally prefer unchambered for various reasons. However there are times when my surroundings or instincts may lead me to go with one in the chamber. But, it’s a personal decision that each individual has to make based on their situation and level of experience . I would also make the observation that most individuals currently applying for their CCW these days are new to concealed carry and in many cases firearms in general.
I understand your point of view, but the stats don't matter if your encounter is one of those that happens in just a few seconds, and you don't have time to chamber a round. In that case, you are dead. So why not err on the side of survival? With regards to the argument of lack of training, I agree proper training is required, but guns don't go off by themselves. With a proper holster that covers the trigger guard, that gun is not gonna go off, and the answer is proper training so that you don't have to carry in a way that risks your life. Besides, the person. With little training also won't be able to rack that slide in time either.
@@leftfield170 Can't tell by your wording whether you are agreeing or disagreeing me. I will restate that lack of training or statistics don't make it a better choice to carry without one in the chamber.
@@jg1007 I don't agree with carrying a loaded gun 24/7 . Ur believe system is people aren't trained enough so they don't carry a loaded gun all day. Buddy there's not any amount of training I could do to he swindled into thinking I need a loaded gun all day long . And yes thousands of people shoot them selfs every year and 1k people die from accidental discharge . I prefer to carry a revolver with the first shot empty so I just click it twice to shoot a round . And yes I also carry a semi auto with 15 rounds , and two .22 magnum revolvers on my person . I'm prepared enough
@@leftfield170 Do what you want bud. I ain't stopping you. My position is still the same. If your carrying a semi auto and you don't carry with one in the chamber, the chances are if the shtf, you won't be ready. Self defense situations happen within seconds and usually at very close range. Expecting to be able to rack the slide in the second or two you will have to respond is foolish. But your gun, your life, your rules. But if you are worried about a negligent discharge by having one in the chamber, I would be more worried about your level of training and understanding of the gun you are carrying.
I think this instructor has very good knowledge about carrying one in the chamber does have it’s pros and cons in whether you should carry one or not have one in the chamber ready. I believe we all should have one in the chamber ready in case of gun fight. My point is when it comes to your own life on the line you need an ammo to be ready to defend yourself against an attacker. The time is so important when it comes to your personal safety. Never carry concealed if you don’t have a bullet in the chamber ready. If you think have one in the chamber is still unsafe or it’s just not for you to have one ready then you should get some lessons from your state concealed carry class or get with someone who has been trained in to carry concealed with one bullet in the chamber. Don’t forget it’s your life or your family’s life on the line when it comes time you need to protect them. Even the guns in my office have a bullet in the chamber ready to go in case of emergency situations. Watch this video to learn why it’s important to keep one in the chamber ready.
The chances of an actual old gunsling battle is probably pretty rare these days it's not like the old west anymore but not to say it doesn't ever happen it's just unlikely for most people but I say if you are new to carrying a gun you may not want to have it in the chamber until you get used to carrying a gun often and have a good routine down and learn what not to ever do so you don't accidentally shoot yourself because mistakes do happen!
Love the demonstration, in my opinion if there’s not one in the chamber, you’re carrying a piece of steel, also you have to take in fact, if you’re in a struggle and one hand is protecting yourself from being punched and there’s not one in the chamber you have a problem, again awesome video,
Try that with your family and other people around (safely of course) . You have zero distractions in this setting. Also you do not have to consider the background behind your target either
What are your thoughts on keeping one in the chamber for home defense? I don't mind having a round in the chamber in my AR because I'm very comfortable with operating the safety system but that's really just my bedside gun. When I'm up and around my only other means of defense is a Walther 4.5" PDP that I keep a full magazine in the gun BUT nothing in the chamber. I've practiced over and over, been to many of training courses, most moderate and acouple advanced yet I'm still hesitant to keep one in the chamber. I truly hate that I'm not comfortable with doing so and it's a constant battle in my head of if I should or shouldn't...
I have an anecdotal experience I can share. My friend had two of her relatives brutally murdered in their home via stabbing. They owned firearms, but they were not right by their bedside. They were mortally wounded in their beds, and were able to get to their firearm, but unable to effectively use it. I will keep mine in battery but with the safety on until I am comfortable with it. Buying today.
@@thomabow8949 first off I’m very sorry for your friend that’s fucking terrible. Now to answer the question on this thread. Not just for the benefit of quick rounds on target it’s best to keep one in the chamber in the house for the element of surprise. If an intruder breaks in at dead of night racking the slide or bolt back will be loud asf alerting and letting the intruder know where you are and that you are armed thus making the room clearing and engagement of the intruder a lot more dangerous.
@@Boomy2nicce Exactly - I actually left out that I had a very similar home break-in where we were under the impression the person had a gun and we were all woefully unprepared. I have had the gun chambered for about a month now, I am still cogniscent of the safety, but as you said, it's a pretty big movement to rack the slide whereas flipping a ambidexterous thumb safety requires a small movement. It's a good system. Having a rigid holster takes away any concern people usually have when it comes to not having a safety
This is a very good video Proved the point of keeping around in the chamber... But if you would put that target in about 5 yd or closer pull fire from retention Keeping your non shooting hand on the cover garment that you raised to your chest, you would even be quicker. We practice Retention engaging on 1 or 2 targets. On a side note if you're uncomfortable with carrying a semi automatic handgun with the round in the chamber because you're new to carrying concealed, then I might suggest starting with a revolver but always keep your firearm in condition 1, and practice. Like I said this was a great video.
I saw Russian special forces use a type of holster that racks the slide when you push the pistol down to draw it.. kinda cool. I use a revolver for edc.. a shotgun as first choice for home defense and a pistol when I don't have time to grab my shotgun
One thing a pistol shooter should do. Years ago I watched a Clint Eastwood film. He did an activity which all pistol fires should consider, he took a stick, tied a rope and the tied a rock, he held his arms out straight and slowly rolled that rock up and down, made it burn and hurt in forearms. That's actually a good muscle building exercise to do, it builds incredible strength in your forearms to carry and fire , to brace the recoil, to hold your piece steady and strong....and this may sound odd, but every shooter needs to have at least once...slide bite. A pain like that will tougher you up some. Guys or gals... need to get steady with that pistol. Holding and bracing it solid in your grip. Its good to work out your hand dexterity forearms strength. A 9mm can throw your arms back if you don't have a solid forearms grip.a .38 or .45? A lot more kick. In the Army I qualified on the 50cal, that was so heavy that It took three soldiers to carry, the barrel, the receiver and the tripod. A M60 was no light firearm either, strong guys struggled to fire a M60
I am having this debate with myself and my wife also. I carry one in the chamber at the range and I am practicing drawing and taking the safety down and firing with an OWB holster. I intend to do this for months before I decide how to proceed. I am planning on using mantis x and laser academy and cool firings to practice aim and holstering / unholstering in the house with no ammo. After months of that I will be better equipped to determine my own level of confidence and skill as well as more informed on whether I am confident enough to carry loaded. I will never carry without a manual safety though. That is already decided. I am willing to risk the tiny bit of time for the safety but I am a regular guy. I do not unholster and rack a pistol ion 2 seconds. It likely takes double that as I am a little older. So if it all comes downy to a split second I'm gonna lose that one anyway so whats another .5 secs for the manual safety?
You mentioned at the end that the military carry with an empty chamber. I am an OIF veteran and we always had one in the chamber while in a combat zone.
Why is this topic even still being debated? Anybody that Carrie’s on an empty chamber, probably shouldn’t be carrying at all because they obviously lack any self confidence in themselves or equipment. That makes them personally dangerous around firearms. Get more training and be confident with a round in the chamber.
A thing you have to remember. While you might be sitting there thinking "oh about .8 seconds isn't much of a difference," you have to take into consideration that this person has trained very well and knows exactly what he is doing. He may be able to draw his gun, rack it, and fire down range in about 1.6 seconds, BUT that doesn't mean YOU can, and if you are not experienced in firearms, you may end up fobbling it around, not racking it correctly, etc. It is just easier, and quicker to have that round in the chamber.
This is a great point. I would also wager that this mans accuracy after drawing and racking is probably loads better than your average CC. The act of racking the weapon would likely drastically reduce the accuracy of the first shot (under stress) unless you are a superbly trained individual.
This is why i like the safety fast shooting system, you carry it cocked and locked but the hammer is down, when you pull it all you have to do is hit the safety and the hammer will be cocked, if youre carrying a single action with the hammer cocked it might snag on your clothes, i guess an internal hammer system helps alot with this.
For the past 30+ years I carry my Gun daily and always a round in the chamber, I look at it as if I'm caring a revolver, from the safety point of view a round in the chamber and the gun in the holster is very safe as I'm unable to pull the trigger in such a situation, but when my life is threatened or my Loved ones I simply draw my gun with confidence knowing a round is in the chamber ready to fire, and I've been in such a situation a few times, facing humans and wild animals threatening my life. My first hand experience tells me it's not wise and no point caring a gun without a round in the chamber, that split of a second faster makes the difference.
I carry appendix w one in the chamber most of the time and forget about it. Gun isn’t magically going pull the trigger. Once Im home or somewhere safer, I clear it. But drawing while racking under 2 sec is also a great skill to have!
Only reason I know is if you are using a single action revolver without a transfer bar or similar technology then you should carry with the hammer on an empty cylinder.
I don’t get into the technicality about seconds count,but I always carry one in the chamber because I want to be ready the bad guys have one in the chamber you should have one in your chamber
My biggest problem with it is I’m a hunter and it’s always been illegal to have a firearm in your vehicle with one in the chamber. Does this still apply with your concealed carry?
When I am with others, I carry Israeli. When I am alone on my motorcycle, I always carry my GlockSF .45acp, with a round chambered. When I am alone driving in a car, I also carry my .45 or 9mm with one in the chamber.
i never understood why speed matters especially by only 1/2 second when regardless of if you have one in the chamber or not, the bad person will always have the quicker draw since they got bad intentions and already have a firearm out and ready to shoot. I think the biggest reason carry in the chamber is if you miss a slide or don't pull slide all the way back or failure to feed malfunction in stress environment. Speed to me doesn't matter more than malfunction high rate when not having one in the chamber.
The speed results was definitely a bit surprising to me. 0.5 seconds isn't nothing, but the scenarios where it makes a major difference would seem limited (excepting situations where only one hand is available).
It's called "waiting for the right opportunity" . The bad guy can't keep eye contact with you at all times. .5 seconds will be faster than the bad guys reactionary time if they're not paying attention.
I see hundreds of shooter's on YT but none showing proper forearms strength building exercises teaching new shooter's how to build strength to fire, maybe I'll start making vids about that.
I don’t carry one up top, unless I have reason to believe I should, like if I was in a shady area or something. Only reason is because I carry a S&W SD9 VE. It only has a trigger safety, which, if you don’t know, only adds a bit more force to the trigger pull. Any other safety and I’d be much more comfortable carrying one in the pipe. To be fair, I’ve been shooting for years now, but only just recently started carrying lol. I’m sure I’ll get there at some point, whether I get comfortable or get a different carry gun with a different safety.
I have no problem carrying a sidearm chambered. But, I would not carry a chambered, sidearm with s cocked hammer. The risks are too great. Has nothing to do with training.
34 year veteran PO and always refused to approach someone possibly armed with a firearm with an empty chamber. When we had revolvers, no idiot would recommend carrying 5 rounds in a 6 shooter. No live guys that is.
With a loaded chamber do you keep the safety on? My ultimate fear is especially in a high pressure situation is that i point blank my nuts when pulling it out
it depends on the design and your preferences. A 1911 is literally designed to be carried with the safety on and it's very difficult to even fire it without naturally flipping the safety off. My USP has a manual safety but it's harder to switch off and the DA/SA trigger doesn't even make it necessary
I simply would not feel comfortable with for example a single action 1911 chambered and cocked. And yes I can rack fast enough, it not a Wild West duel; I especially would not with a Glock. A 92fs or double action concealed hammer revolver I would be ok with.
But what if you had the pistol out, one in the chamber and already pointed at the subject how fast would you be the then....time is everything... what about non clock guys ( safety off then shoot???
I bought a used Glock 22 GEN4 from law enforcement (with night sight), and I don't felt safe to carry one in the chamber. However, the rest of my guns are NEW, and I carry them more than nine years comfortably. Should I carry the use Glock 22 GEN4 from law enforcement (the gun looks nearly new--no scratch). Great content. Thanks for your contribution.
The only thing that this vid need to clarify this, would have been the targets so we can see if there is a precision gap between the techniques. Otherwise, a half a second is too little time to make a difference
I know its faster and better to carry with one on the chamber. However i carry a ruger lcp max. Im also a bigger guy with a gut and for the life of me cant find a place to put a Holster on myself. So i just pocket carry. Im concerned about accidental fire. Any advice?
See your thinking about it because you know what your going to do, in an actual event that happens your not expecting anything..if your carrying something and or have a thick coat on it will be different…
I’m on the side of not chambered. If someone is two feet away from you then you have to fight with them and try to create distance anyways. You dropping a defending hand to draw will most likely open your defense to get stabbed or knocked out on your draw side. Learning how to fight is a really really good defense. Especially paired with training with a gun. Let’s put it this way- your wrestling with someone and you now have a loaded gun being pointed in all directions including your body vs you relying on fighting them off enough to draw SAFELY for your sake and if during the struggle they get the gun it’s not ready to go for them either. It makes sense to have it just a twitch away from firing if you are just training calmly imagining a fight in a square ready stance compared to understanding a actual fight. Fights are random and chaotic. That’s if you can turn the attack into a fight instead of getting steamrolled. You want to be fighting for a good position not reaching down opening yourself up and getting torn up with your mind being only on your gun. Defend, fight, create space and draw. That applies for one in the chamber too.Learn how to fight first. I mean on the calm draw it’s .3 seconds longer to rack it? That gun can be taken from you too. Total control is impossible even with a gun in your waist. Sorry folks
These guys who make videos are pros, truth is, the average person, normal person, not "gun freak" will be way slower in the whole operation and even unable to under pression being able to push that slide. And no talk about the two hands being involved.
I carry without one in the chamber. If I don’t have two to four seconds to think and rack, I’d rather not take the shot. Especially not with my Glock. My .380 is a different matter since it has a palm pressure safety. I’ll carry that one in the chamber. The odds of having to use a gun are incredibly low. Better to take cover first or at last take a second to be sure.
Round in the chamber is the only way for me. I also practice point aiming. At 7 yds I always hit center or close to center mass. Acquiring a site picture takes too much time in a hit or die situation. Some handguns are better than others to use point aim and the gun that works for me may not work for you.
Am I weird that I carry my double action revolver witch means I'm always carrying one in the chamber without a problem BUT I get nervous when it comes to pistols 🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣
There are no pros for not carrying a round chambered in your firearm… if you’re worried about carrying a loaded firearm, then you will just require more training so you feel comfortable carrying a loaded weapon… otherwise you shouldn’t be carrying one until you do… an empty firearm isn’t useless by any measure, but if you’re in a life or death struggle to protect yourself or your loved ones and you’re not extremely proficient at carrying in that manner, then you lose so much advantage in an altercation because of your fear and confidence in managing your firearm… that just translates into more training until your confidence in yourself and your skills eliminates that fear… IMHO
@@leftfield170 I've got plenty of training from my time as an Airman and a bunch more from the private sector. I only carry hot if I'm out somewhere at night or in a sketchy area anywhere else I'm just more observant to everything around me. Two occasions I've been somewhere and a gun went off in someone's holster both while they were sitting down in a movie theater it can happen to anyone.
I would say one unchambered most of the time . I usely just carry a 6 shot revolver loaded with 5 shots so I just click twice when I draw to shoot . I'm not scared of a loaded gun I just rather just go to the hospital for accidentally shooting my self or someone. Keep in mind I do have a semi auto 15 shot pistol on my person also . Plus another 3 baby pistols on my person lol .
I don't understand why a lot of videos such as this comparing the time difference between a loaded and unchambered gun. it's a given, condition 1 will always be faster the condition 3 unless you are a super grand master. What matters most is how you react when you're in an actual gun fight situation. Once you adrenaline runs, can you maintain your composure, draw your concealed gun and are you ready to point the gun and shoot if you have not experienced shooting someone before? Either its a yes or no answer, it doesn't matter if you are in condition 3 or 1. But that's just me.
As a rookie Ccw. My biggest fear is someone seeing I’m carrying. And steal the gun when I’m not looking and shoot me with it in order to steal it. If it’s not chambered…. Which is what I’ve been doing. If that happens… I Can fight for the gun/ run away. Less of a chance to get shot by my own gun. I see it as less offensive high defensive. Vs carrying in chamber. High offense less defense. Hope it makes sense. Can’t tell you how many videos I’ve seen of bad people taking guns away from a cop and shooting cops with the cop gun. Any thoughts? Like I said I’m a rookie. But that is my biggest fear
Sorry I just don't feel comfortable. I carry with an empty chamber as well as the magazine in a separate pocket in a plastic bag to keep pocket lint out of the witness holes.
all jokes aside, if you are uncomfortable then you probably shouldn't carry until you do feel comfortable.....no need to feel like everyone else......once you are comfortable then that's when you know you are ready to carry.
that's all right. carry empty until you are comfortable carrying with one in the chamber. I am a newby in CCW. For the first few outings I carried empty but built up confidence by practicing my reaction, mentally visualizing situations and watching some YT explanations. Now, I carry with one in the chamber because I feel comfortable.
At least u carry a pistol man. Doesn't matter how u carry just carry!! Put ur ammo clip in ur pistol please and just do safety checks throughout the day . I sleep with a Unchambered 380 in my pocket lol
Less than 1 % of the population could draw, load, chamber and shoot a concealed handgun in 1.6 seconds. The average shooter would likely add 2 seconds tto shoot and there would be a number of times the chamber would not get loaded or to correct a misload several seconds would be required. This is obviously a well trained and practiced shooter. Normal shooters are deceiving themselves if they think they can come anywhere close to his performance. The response time will be magnified several fold for inexperienced shooters with an empty chamber. My thought. Get a firearm you are totally convinced is safe with a chambered round. I have a Kahr PM9 I have trusted for 10 years. I also have a Browning high power 9mm. I don’t trust cocked and locked regardless of the data. It is a personal thing, not factual. I could not carry my Browning chambered. I just couldn’t. But I have no problem with the Kahr. Wear it every day. Never think about an accident. I am comfortable with my Kahr chambered, therefore this is the right firearm and technique for me. Everybody is different. Everybody needs to find their comfort zone.
Disclaimer, didnt veiw to the end BUUUUUT All I'm going to say is this: your lowest unloaded draw, rack and shoot was 1.62 seconds ("in a perfect world lets just say ...") your lowest draw while loaded was 99 seconds after a decent 1.5 seconds. Training. It's all about training. Israeli solders MUST draw, rack and shoot their pistol with accuracy in 1.2 seconds. So it's doable, you just have to train. Train in your style of carry. appendix, hip, bag, one in the chamber or not ... train drawing your weapon. It's a motor skill.
I was attacked with out warning or provocation , it happens in second , you have almost no time to react defendsively , I was hurt , now I think it is practical to carry a loaded pistol
Situational awareness is the #1 lifesaving skill you can have. If I’m about to enter a shady part of town, I load one up. Otherwise, I carry unloaded because for CCW, safety is my #1 priority, not quickness of deployment.
My thoughts as well. You have to be aware of your surroundings at all times
Couldn’t agree more. If you were so blindsided by the situation that the half second to rack the slide makes much difference, you’re not situationally aware enough and you need to work on being more aware of your surroundings. Carrying with an empty chamber allows you the peace of mind of an extra layer of safety. If you feel you’re chances of needing your weapon are higher than normal you can always take a second to put one in the chamber until you’re out of that situation but for the vast majority of the time I’d take the extra peace of mind that the gun literally can’t ND/AD
My exact philosophy. I carry just about everywhere but rarely go anywhere I need to worry about.
If I get a bad feeling I'll take the half second to chamber a round but otherwise I would rather not worry about the chance of accidental discharge, no matter how minor that chance may be.
Same with having kids. You could have the best routine and be the most disciplined person that unloads your firearm whenever you get back home and securing that firearm safely away from nosey kids.
Until the one time you don't... because we all make mistakes. And we aren't perfect.
Carrying one in the chamber opens you up to mistakes... something even the most disciplined shooter can fall victim to over.... years..... and decades of carrying. We are human. We make mistakes. And with kids in the picture, it's a non-negotiable for me. I will not have a racked firearm around my kids for a 0.4 sec faster draw.
@@John-vm2sqexactly my reasoning. I have a young daughter (almost 2) and I know she could pull the trigger but could not pull the slide back to chamber a round. Non negotiable for me
Hey, I understand new carriers being nervous about carrying with one in the chamber. When I started years ago, I too, was nervous about it. And I’ve been shooting all my life but never carried. But the first force on force training class I took cured me of that. I’ll say 7 out of 10 times when the instructors would come at us like they were simulating an attack (especially the knife attacks) I couldn’t get to my gun fast enough without having to use my support arm to keep them off. I could get my gun out, but no way could I use my other hand to rack the slide. And I knew they were going to come at me. In real life, you don’t know. It happens that fast.
Nervous shooters should not be carrying a weapon. Overcome you fear first before someone, the bad guy, takes your weapon from you and hands you your ass.
I agree with you 100 percent. People don't seem to understand how fast the need for your weapon can come up and how difficult it can be to get to it even in perfect circumstances. Even when YOU KNOW ITS COMING. In everyday life you won't be expecting it.
Carrying when new can be scary. I'm all for someone carrying the gun unloaded. For a very short time. Just to get used to having it on you. Then upgrade to having the magazine in it. Finally, put one in the chamber. There's not much difference in carrying unloaded than not carrying so if it's for the purpose of getting used to it that's cool. It should be for a limited time though. The quicker you can carry with it ready to go the better imo.
wouldnt a nervous shooter also be more likely to shoot an innocent person due to their fear of thinking theyre a threat@@alexanderperez2439
@@alexanderperez2439He didn’t say nervous shooter. Shooting and carrying are two different things.
Not every encounter will be like that training class ... That specific encounter showed how important it was to keep it chambered but not all will be like that.
I carry one in chamber with a thumb safety. It's all about comfort level matched with proficiency. If you dry fire regularly, unholstering while taking the safety off will happen almost simultaneously and much faster than racking the slide. Plus it prevents a premature trigger pull that may cause you to shoot your leg or junk off.
If you're taking the safety off at the same time you draw, there's a chance of shooting yourself too.
@@commenthero2514 No. The firearm can only go off if your booger is on the trigger. Meaning if your finger is on the trigger during the process of drawing before pointing it at the target, you really then need to assess your method of firearms handling and drawing the firearm.
@@Jarrow13 I bet you $10k that you wont put a chambered g*n to your hed OR point that chambered gun to a loved one even with your finger OFF the trigger ...
I went to work and put $1000 on the table and told anyone of my co-workers to take their chambered round g*n and point it at their hed WITHOUT the finger on the trigger ....
Guess how many stepped up and did it ????
You people are so sure that the gun WONT go off unless that trigger is pulled .... Yet NONE of you have the balls to do what i said .... Because deep down inside, you are SCARED that it CAN and WILL go off ...
Why do you think they say to ALWAYS point the gun in a safe direction ??????
Starting out, I was terrified to carry with a chambered Glock 43X… I did my research on the “Glock SafeAction Pistol” and HOURS of videos similar to this one. Eventually, my fear was eased through research, training, and a PROPER HOLSTER (Tulster, always a Tulster). There is never a time that a round is not chambered when my weapon is on me. Thank you for posting this video!
I also bought a Striker Control Device (AKA: “The Gadget”) to satisfy my muscle memory of “thumbing the hammer” when reholstering. I was taught to shoot on a Beretta double action and that was drilled into my head, and that little backplate gives that action some meaning with the Glock.
I run tulster holsters confidently
I also went with a Tulster Profile for my first IWB, I'm comfortable so far and paid half the price
Im 18 and just got gifted my first handgun around 2 months ago almost 3 (glock 19 gen5) and just started carrying one in the chamber and honestly feel so much better with one in the chamber
Make sure to CAREFULLY re-holster. Look the gun into the holster. That is the most important safety issue.
All these tough guys with vids saying you're not cool if you carry with an empty chamber. What absolute bs.
I'm carrying Defensively. I have more than enough time to chamber a round once ive decided to draw.
And for the other 99.99999% of the time I've removed the possibility of a negligent discharge and negligent injury.
New carrier here, and yes, I know that a good kydex holster will nearly always prevent a misfire, but I will do the Israeli carry. With IWB, you are going to need two hands to draw no matter what. Yes a half second may make a difference but I don't want to blow my balls away for it.
This right here this is it, paired with what someone else said about situational awareness and if you’re in a space where you feel you need to rack one then so be it. Well said John
Yep, for concealed, you're using your offhand to lift your shirt or clothing...so your offhand is already right there.
For me it's this simple. I carry empty chamber because I have kids. That simple. I can be the most disciplined person and have the best routine in clearing my firearm when I get home for the day.... until the one time I don't...
Because we are human. It isn't a lack of confidence or a sense of paranoia. It's just me understanding that humans make mistakes. And I will not gamble my kids' own lives (due to a mistake I made) in exchange for a 0.4 sec faster draw....
People think CC always results in some sort of high noon Annie Oakely quick draw. No. It doesn't. If you need 0.99 secs on a draw to kill an attacker, you've probably screwed up somewhere along the line of situational awareness and putting yourself in a bad situation. And carrying concealed, especially around kids, safety should trump speed every time.
If you build racking the slide as part of your draw muscle memory, then that is the best balance between safety and being prepared/trained. With kids, it's a non-negotiable. A racked firearm means there is zero zero zero room for error. And I'll be honest, I'm not arrogant enough to think even the best routine and discipline is mistake-proof.
I'd like to suggest that anyone who CCWs try out a USPSA match. Shooting under pressure of the stopwatch will expose all the defects in your gun handling skills. The sheer round count will also ensure that you will have to employ remedial measures; FTF, FTE, mag malf...you name it, it happens in matches.
On top of that, the matches are just fun. I was intimidated at first but the people at the matches were super welcoming and helpful. They all have a vested interest in keeping you and themselves safe.
I was in gun fight many years ago. It was two of us against one person. Person pulled gun, and both of us jumped on side drawing our guns. Attacker discharged few rounds, missing us both. I did not fire my firearm due to confusion of concealing myself. My bud did not fire round because he got confused why gun would not fire.
After 2 seconds of pure terror, and attacker running away, I was laying on my back following him with my gun (did not shoot) My bud was confused and red in face looking at gun why it did not fire.
Eternity later, he said "o s.... safety is on
Easily the best handling of this I've seen on youtube.
I agree. Nice demo and video. Having a round in the chamber is advantageous for iwb and owb carry, but the pistol should be in a good holster all the time to avoid accidental trigger pull. Mexican carry or a bad soft holster with loaded chamber is dangerous. But for safety reasons, carry without round in the chamber with fully loaded mag works too, just be fast in racking the slide, only it needs your support hand to charge.
But for vehicle, backpack, and fanny pack carry, loaded chamber with fully loaded mag in a holster or no holster is ok. And also, a .45acp pistol with jhp ammo with extra loaded mags reserve is an effective concealed carry.
Great points. Not to mention that having to rack the slide to put one in the chamber, especially under stress, can result in an induced malfunction. I love my Glocks and other striker- fired pistols, but for appendix carry, which is what works best for me, I carry a CZ P07, round in the chamber and decocked.
@@scarylarry5198 I have one. Great pistol.
I have CZ P09 it still ok if i carry it without Decocker but with SAFETY?
Would u recommend it?
@@redsoxfox4447 I don't like manual safeties because they can unintentionally be knocked out of safe. I would not carry such a pistol.
I live in Houston Texas and I carry every day, but not carry with one of the chamber everyday. If I'm going to a specific part of town then I'll put one in the chamber. But if I'm going to a nice part of town then I may not. For me, I guess it just depends on where I'm at or what I'm doing that determines if I'm going to have one in the chamber or not. That may be a bad habit or a good habit. I don't know. I've never been put in a situation where I needed to use my firearm and hopefully I never will. But I most certainly want to be first to get one off if I had to lol
Same here live in Houston, about to start carrying concealed but not sure about having one in the chamber. Not comfortable with that idea. But I having a concealed weapon is good enough for me
@@Irv23 just be smart and aware of your surroundings and you will be fine, best of luck
Lol... because bad things only happen in the bad neighborhood 🙄🤦♂️😂🤣😂
@@Dmartinez9959 I was thinking exactly the same. As a former Paramedic, that one made me bust out laughing
@@Irv23 carry one in the chamber 90% of the time.
Inside your house, yeah you can keep the chamber empty if you want or if you have kids in your house.
Just take the mag out, rack the slide back and lock it (and put the round that was in the chamber back in the mag)
And let it sit like that in your house. Either with the mag next to the gun or with the mag in your pockets and the gun close by.
That way you can load the gun quite fast.
But the moment someone rings your doorbell or when you leave the house you better carry a loaded chamber and have the loaded gun in reach.
The moment you realize a gunfight is about to happen untill it the first round is fired it's 1-1,5 seconds on average.
Usually on average 3 rounds within three seconds are fired.
There is just not enough time to reck the slide back that 1 second before the shooting starts.
Yeah, sometimes you notice that something bad is about to happen because the criminals behave strange and you will recognize it in time to pull out your gun and load a round.
But very often you just don't have the time.
One second Everything is normal, the next second a gun is already pointed at you.
You have to decide what is more important for you:
-Carry no round in the chamber out of fear something bad might happen (with the exception of kids at home, then you can or even should carry no round in the chamber, after all there is still a door between you and the criminals)
But be unprepared for most gun fights when sh*t hits the fan because you don't have the time to rack the slide or you just forget it.
Or
Carry a round in the chamber but with the danger of it accidentally discharging and hurting you or someone else, but with the benefit of being able to immediately defend yourself when you're attacked.
You have to decide what benefit is more important.
A gun to accidentally fired into your leg or you child will accidentally kill you or your child.
(Happens several dozend times per year)
Or
A gun that doesn't fire, when you need it the most because your forgot to load a round in the chamber or because there is no time to do it will also get you and your child getting killed, just because the criminal won't give you time to do it and he will immediately open fire. Or even worse, grab the gun from you, rack the slide and kill you with your own gun.
(Also happens several dozend times per year)
A gun is a potentially deadly and always dangerous weapon.
With and without a round in the chamber, it can always kill you.
It can kill because there IS a round in the chamber and it can kill you because there is NO round in the chamber.
I saw a guy who carried a G20 with an empty chamber with a full 15 round magazine. In a offensive situation, he was promptly shot right through his upper chest and folded up like a bug, dead on the ground. That click when he pulled the trigger on his empty pistol was the loudest thing he heard right before he died.
bullshit
Since I started carrying a firearm, I have always carried one up. My firearms in storage are empty chamber with no magazine. I always know the condition of my firearms (especially my EDC). One up is the way to go with my EDC as you can practice as much as you like and you might be able to get 2 second times on a range with draw, rack, aim and shoot, but all and all, the attacker comes towards you with a weapon that's already drawn and if the attacker is using a firearm it's already one up and drawn, placing you at a huge disadvantage. Doing 2 second draws and rack on a range is one thing doing it consistently is impossible in real life, one being having to draw and rack in awkward spaces as attackers tend to attack when you are in the worst spaces like in your vehicle. So I have my EDC set up with one up and I spent good money on a high quality kydex holster as the holster is a safety of the system I have that consists of a CZ P10S.
Great video and I as well teach to my students the benefits of having one in the chamber. Mr. Lavelle I look forward to your future videos.
i carry one in chamber but look at my video on how fast racking in the pull push method from a glock you can chamber a round from the hip and fire, for me its only at most 2/10 ths of a second difference, so yes having a round in chamber we all know is quicker but this is not to say someone is doomed just because someone is 2/10 th of a second slower on the draw, draw speed is only one of many variables we need to have in a defense situation, to me situational awareness and reading body language can make up for the slower time if one choses to carry with a empty chamber, the argument isnt that drawing with one in the chamber isnt quicker, we all know it is quicker but the argument that being a little slower means doom isnt nessesarily a death sentence because of many variables other then just draw speed have to work in our favor to win the gun fight, in my oppinion its starts with situational awarness, this gives you a head start before he even thinks about drawing on you, other variables like how you use cover, your tactics and so much more i could list, its like a cake recipe, if you dont have all the ingredients (variables) it wont be a complete cake, this why you see though someone has a faster draw speed it doesnt mean they win the gun fight, for example someone who is a crimminal a cop is about to arrest that has no training or skill at all in firearms nor has seen a gun range kills a police officer who didnt see it coming, sadly we dont want this to happen but it shows how speed isnt the "end all be all" in a gun fight, its so much more then your draw, mag capacity and shooting skills because situational awarness is speed its self, reading the cue something bad is going to happen giving you time ahead of the threat, since most defence situations are with in say 7 yards you can rack a slide chambering a round and fire hitting the target still at those short distances, longer distances we should be going for cover if possible right away even if we got one chambered
I always carry with a round in the chamber. Preparedness is key.
Great video. I currently carry a revolver but wanted to see this for if I transition to a magazine fed pistol.
Yes, one in the chamber ! With my m& p shied 9,or my bersa thunder ! Both have safety,s ! But i worry with my 365 sig with no safe ! It has a tight trigger as well ...
That's why I do videos on my Bersa..The Lotec
I carry one in the hole also...but with since my pistol has two strike capabilities i wish the first was more of DA (firing pin NOT already cicked back) as if i double hitting a misfire!
You can put a safe in the p365!
From what I have seen Israeli carry conditions are based on outside factors, such as training regularity and how environmental factors weigh in. I carry on the same principals One being I am very new to Conceal Carry. Current prices I only get range time about twice a month and I am not allowed to draw from a holster, so my training for draw is done strictly at home and with a laser Round. Second Factor is that I work from home so my attire mainly consists of gym clothes which lead to my purchase of a G42. I do plan on moving to condition 0 or 1 depending on my future purchases as I also have a Canik TP9SC. Training and Environment are my 2 deciding factors. Love your knowledge and videos!
I would like to add two important details: First, Israeli Law doesn't "require" that you carry Condition 3, but if you do and anything bad happens (like accidental discharge), you will lose you're license permanently. Second, we are not obligated to carry concealed. If you have a license, you can carry any way you want, including total exposed. So the time a lot of people lose from having to rack the slide is around the same as you might lose from having to expose the weapon.
Also, I should mention that we practice this method a lot, and learn to purchase the target as we rack the slide. Regardless, Condition 1 is obviously faster. No one can really argue that, but I hope this information helps provide context.
It depends upon the actual firearm itself not merely the technique or strategy. Desert Storm Veteran 1990/94....
I would love to learn about the chances of you needing your sidearm loaded versus the chances your sidearm could accidentally discharge on you. So far as I can tell weapons draw while racking it should be quick enough for a successful takedown. But thats just me.
This is what I'm trying to find, some actual statistics!
@@LifeEnemy who cares about statistics? If you’re within arms reach from your aggressor and you don’t have time to rack your weapon, you’re going to become a statistic. Not carrying one in the chamber is like carrying a rock by that point. There’s a saying that says “not carrying one in the chamber is like trying to put your seatbelt on before your car crashes”. Why would you not want your gun to be ready? I’ve never understood the mentality of carrying without it chambered…
Safty first at all times. Problem solved. 😝
You just nailed what every nitwit on TH-cam fails to think about. According to the 2020 National Firearm Survey, 82% of the time a gun used in a self defense situation NEVER had to be fired. And the FBI has this number above 90%. The very simple facts are you have virtually no chance of needing to shoot your firearm in self defense, but guess what actually does deter 90% of confrontations? The sound & sight of racking a slide. TH-cam "Gun people" making videos never think about the real world unfortunately.
I normaly agree but recently i saw a video of some one having to draw while they were wrestling on the ground with attacker and in situations like that would be hard to rack the slide vs one hand saftey off
One in the chamber argument assumes every altercation is a fast draw scenario. I’d like to see one of these videos show data on how often that’s actually the case. I personally prefer unchambered for various reasons. However there are times when my surroundings or instincts may lead me to go with one in the chamber. But, it’s a personal decision that each individual has to make based on their situation and level of experience . I would also make the observation that most individuals currently applying for their CCW these days are new to concealed carry and in many cases firearms in general.
I understand your point of view, but the stats don't matter if your encounter is one of those that happens in just a few seconds, and you don't have time to chamber a round. In that case, you are dead. So why not err on the side of survival? With regards to the argument of lack of training, I agree proper training is required, but guns don't go off by themselves. With a proper holster that covers the trigger guard, that gun is not gonna go off, and the answer is proper training so that you don't have to carry in a way that risks your life. Besides, the person. With little training also won't be able to rack that slide in time either.
@@jg1007 I rather die with a gun unchambered then die without a gun
@@leftfield170 Can't tell by your wording whether you are agreeing or disagreeing me. I will restate that lack of training or statistics don't make it a better choice to carry without one in the chamber.
@@jg1007 I don't agree with carrying a loaded gun 24/7 . Ur believe system is people aren't trained enough so they don't carry a loaded gun all day. Buddy there's not any amount of training I could do to he swindled into thinking I need a loaded gun all day long . And yes thousands of people shoot them selfs every year and 1k people die from accidental discharge . I prefer to carry a revolver with the first shot empty so I just click it twice to shoot a round . And yes I also carry a semi auto with 15 rounds , and two .22 magnum revolvers on my person . I'm prepared enough
@@leftfield170 Do what you want bud. I ain't stopping you. My position is still the same. If your carrying a semi auto and you don't carry with one in the chamber, the chances are if the shtf, you won't be ready. Self defense situations happen within seconds and usually at very close range. Expecting to be able to rack the slide in the second or two you will have to respond is foolish. But your gun, your life, your rules. But if you are worried about a negligent discharge by having one in the chamber, I would be more worried about your level of training and understanding of the gun you are carrying.
I think this instructor has very good knowledge about carrying one in the chamber does have it’s pros and cons in whether you should carry one or not have one in the chamber ready. I believe we all should have one in the chamber ready in case of gun fight. My point is when it comes to your own life on the line you need an ammo to be ready to defend yourself against an attacker. The time is so important when it comes to your personal safety. Never carry concealed if you don’t have a bullet in the chamber ready. If you think have one in the chamber is still unsafe or it’s just not for you to have one ready then you should get some lessons from your state concealed carry class or get with someone who has been trained in to carry concealed with one bullet in the chamber. Don’t forget it’s your life or your family’s life on the line when it comes time you need to protect them. Even the guns in my office have a bullet in the chamber ready to go in case of emergency situations. Watch this video to learn why it’s important to keep one in the chamber ready.
The chances of an actual old gunsling battle is probably pretty rare these days it's not like the old west anymore but not to say it doesn't ever happen it's just unlikely for most people but I say if you are new to carrying a gun you may not want to have it in the chamber until you get used to carrying a gun often and have a good routine down and learn what not to ever do so you don't accidentally shoot yourself because mistakes do happen!
Facts just carry on a empty chamber with the gun cocked for the first week or 2
Love the demonstration, in my opinion if there’s not one in the chamber, you’re carrying a piece of steel, also you have to take in fact, if you’re in a struggle and one hand is protecting yourself from being punched and there’s not one in the chamber you have a problem, again awesome video,
Thanks for watching!
Try that with your family and other people around (safely of course) . You have zero distractions in this setting. Also you do not have to consider the background behind your target either
You guys should make a video of putting a holster and echo mag carrier on your belt and how to do it!
Good training video. Yes every situation prescribes a different approach for sure. Thanks!
What are your thoughts on keeping one in the chamber for home defense? I don't mind having a round in the chamber in my AR because I'm very comfortable with operating the safety system but that's really just my bedside gun. When I'm up and around my only other means of defense is a Walther 4.5" PDP that I keep a full magazine in the gun BUT nothing in the chamber. I've practiced over and over, been to many of training courses, most moderate and acouple advanced yet I'm still hesitant to keep one in the chamber. I truly hate that I'm not comfortable with doing so and it's a constant battle in my head of if I should or shouldn't...
I have an anecdotal experience I can share. My friend had two of her relatives brutally murdered in their home via stabbing. They owned firearms, but they were not right by their bedside. They were mortally wounded in their beds, and were able to get to their firearm, but unable to effectively use it. I will keep mine in battery but with the safety on until I am comfortable with it. Buying today.
@@thomabow8949 first off I’m very sorry for your friend that’s fucking terrible. Now to answer the question on this thread. Not just for the benefit of quick rounds on target it’s best to keep one in the chamber in the house for the element of surprise. If an intruder breaks in at dead of night racking the slide or bolt back will be loud asf alerting and letting the intruder know where you are and that you are armed thus making the room clearing and engagement of the intruder a lot more dangerous.
@@Boomy2nicce Exactly - I actually left out that I had a very similar home break-in where we were under the impression the person had a gun and we were all woefully unprepared. I have had the gun chambered for about a month now, I am still cogniscent of the safety, but as you said, it's a pretty big movement to rack the slide whereas flipping a ambidexterous thumb safety requires a small movement. It's a good system. Having a rigid holster takes away any concern people usually have when it comes to not having a safety
This is a very good video Proved the point of keeping around in the chamber... But if you would put that target in about 5 yd or closer pull fire from retention Keeping your non shooting hand on the cover garment that you raised to your chest, you would even be quicker. We practice Retention engaging on 1 or 2 targets. On a side note if you're uncomfortable with carrying a semi automatic handgun with the round in the chamber because you're new to carrying concealed, then I might suggest starting with a revolver but always keep your firearm in condition 1, and practice. Like I said this was a great video.
I saw Russian special forces use a type of holster that racks the slide when you push the pistol down to draw it.. kinda cool. I use a revolver for edc.. a shotgun as first choice for home defense and a pistol when I don't have time to grab my shotgun
One thing a pistol shooter should do. Years ago I watched a Clint Eastwood film. He did an activity which all pistol fires should consider, he took a stick, tied a rope and the tied a rock, he held his arms out straight and slowly rolled that rock up and down, made it burn and hurt in forearms. That's actually a good muscle building exercise to do, it builds incredible strength in your forearms to carry and fire , to brace the recoil, to hold your piece steady and strong....and this may sound odd, but every shooter needs to have at least once...slide bite. A pain like that will tougher you up some. Guys or gals... need to get steady with that pistol. Holding and bracing it solid in your grip. Its good to work out your hand dexterity forearms strength. A 9mm can throw your arms back if you don't have a solid forearms grip.a .38 or .45? A lot more kick. In the Army I qualified on the 50cal, that was so heavy that It took three soldiers to carry, the barrel, the receiver and the tripod. A M60 was no light firearm either, strong guys struggled to fire a M60
I saw a clip where a guy just bent down and his gun went off...
Shooting myself is not anywhere near as bad as accidentally shooting my love ones...
I am having this debate with myself and my wife also. I carry one in the chamber at the range and I am practicing drawing and taking the safety down and firing with an OWB holster. I intend to do this for months before I decide how to proceed. I am planning on using mantis x and laser academy and cool firings to practice aim and holstering / unholstering in the house with no ammo. After months of that I will be better equipped to determine my own level of confidence and skill as well as more informed on whether I am confident enough to carry loaded. I will never carry without a manual safety though. That is already decided. I am willing to risk the tiny bit of time for the safety but I am a regular guy. I do not unholster and rack a pistol ion 2 seconds. It likely takes double that as I am a little older. So if it all comes downy to a split second I'm gonna lose that one anyway so whats another .5 secs for the manual safety?
Hi, new carrier here, im gonna carry with an empty chamber until I’m personally more comfortable with carrying one in the chamber lol
You mentioned at the end that the military carry with an empty chamber. I am an OIF veteran and we always had one in the chamber while in a combat zone.
Right? Especially with the Sigs that are always required to have safety per the government contract
Why is this topic even still being debated? Anybody that Carrie’s on an empty chamber, probably shouldn’t be carrying at all because they obviously lack any self confidence in themselves or equipment. That makes them personally dangerous around firearms. Get more training and be confident with a round in the chamber.
This! Every excuse is 'I dont want to shoot myself accidentally' ... well then that means you need more training, bottom line.
Thank you for this very informative awesome video.
When I was a security officer, I had round in chamber. But as a civilian round is not in chamber. That's pretty much how I roll.
A thing you have to remember. While you might be sitting there thinking "oh about .8 seconds isn't much of a difference," you have to take into consideration that this person has trained very well and knows exactly what he is doing. He may be able to draw his gun, rack it, and fire down range in about 1.6 seconds, BUT that doesn't mean YOU can, and if you are not experienced in firearms, you may end up fobbling it around, not racking it correctly, etc. It is just easier, and quicker to have that round in the chamber.
This is a great point. I would also wager that this mans accuracy after drawing and racking is probably loads better than your average CC. The act of racking the weapon would likely drastically reduce the accuracy of the first shot (under stress) unless you are a superbly trained individual.
This is why i like the safety fast shooting system, you carry it cocked and locked but the hammer is down, when you pull it all you have to do is hit the safety and the hammer will be cocked, if youre carrying a single action with the hammer cocked it might snag on your clothes, i guess an internal hammer system helps alot with this.
Very good points from both sides in these comments man
I've always carried one in the chamber. Why add one more movement if you are fighting for your life.
For the past 30+ years I carry my Gun daily and always a round in the chamber, I look at it as if I'm caring a revolver, from the safety point of view a round in the chamber and the gun in the holster is very safe as I'm unable to pull the trigger in such a situation, but when my life is threatened or my Loved ones I simply draw my gun with confidence knowing a round is in the chamber ready to fire, and I've been in such a situation a few times, facing humans and wild animals threatening my life. My first hand experience tells me it's not wise and no point caring a gun without a round in the chamber, that split of a second faster makes the difference.
One in the chamber always!
With out a doubt... Always Locked & Loaded !
I carry appendix w one in the chamber most of the time and forget about it. Gun isn’t magically going pull the trigger. Once Im home or somewhere safer, I clear it. But drawing while racking under 2 sec is also a great skill to have!
I would like this see this done sig p320 since those firearms have a bit history of discharging just a thought to put people at ease
Only reason I know is if you are using a single action revolver without a transfer bar or similar technology then you should carry with the hammer on an empty cylinder.
That's what I do , I just click twice . I do carry semi autos loaded when I leave my house etc getting gas. But I don't need a chambered round all day
I don’t get into the technicality about seconds count,but I always carry one in the chamber because I want to be ready the bad guys have one in the chamber you should have one in your chamber
My biggest problem with it is I’m a hunter and it’s always been illegal to have a firearm in your vehicle with one in the chamber. Does this still apply with your concealed carry?
@troymitchell1747-please check your state laws on concealed carry.
When I am with others, I carry Israeli. When I am alone on my motorcycle, I always carry my GlockSF .45acp, with a round chambered. When I am alone driving in a car, I also carry my .45 or 9mm with one in the chamber.
i never understood why speed matters especially by only 1/2 second when regardless of if you have one in the chamber or not, the bad person will always have the quicker draw since they got bad intentions and already have a firearm out and ready to shoot. I think the biggest reason carry in the chamber is if you miss a slide or don't pull slide all the way back or failure to feed malfunction in stress environment. Speed to me doesn't matter more than malfunction high rate when not having one in the chamber.
The speed results was definitely a bit surprising to me. 0.5 seconds isn't nothing, but the scenarios where it makes a major difference would seem limited (excepting situations where only one hand is available).
It's called "waiting for the right opportunity" . The bad guy can't keep eye contact with you at all times. .5 seconds will be faster than the bad guys reactionary time if they're not paying attention.
Don't forget about the potential to short stroke.
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I see hundreds of shooter's on YT but none showing proper forearms strength building exercises teaching new shooter's how to build strength to fire, maybe I'll start making vids about that.
I don’t carry one up top, unless I have reason to believe I should, like if I was in a shady area or something. Only reason is because I carry a S&W SD9 VE. It only has a trigger safety, which, if you don’t know, only adds a bit more force to the trigger pull. Any other safety and I’d be much more comfortable carrying one in the pipe. To be fair, I’ve been shooting for years now, but only just recently started carrying lol. I’m sure I’ll get there at some point, whether I get comfortable or get a different carry gun with a different safety.
I owned the 40 caliber smith and wesson SD 40 it was the worst gun ever.
I carry toddlers and surrounded by little kids so, empty chamber for me.
Truly enjoyed this video and must say for “The Average Mortal” you have one hell of a draw my friend lol. Cheers 🍻
I have no problem carrying a sidearm chambered. But, I would not carry a chambered, sidearm with s cocked hammer. The risks are too great. Has nothing to do with training.
Wait so should i keep my safety on when i have one in the chamber still or?
34 year veteran PO and always refused to approach someone possibly armed with a firearm with an empty chamber. When we had revolvers, no idiot would recommend carrying 5 rounds in a 6 shooter. No live guys that is.
Yes.
With a loaded chamber do you keep the safety on? My ultimate fear is especially in a high pressure situation is that i point blank my nuts when pulling it out
it depends on the design and your preferences. A 1911 is literally designed to be carried with the safety on and it's very difficult to even fire it without naturally flipping the safety off. My USP has a manual safety but it's harder to switch off and the DA/SA trigger doesn't even make it necessary
I simply would not feel comfortable with for example a single action 1911 chambered and cocked. And yes I can rack fast enough, it not a Wild West duel; I especially would not with a Glock. A 92fs or double action concealed hammer revolver I would be ok with.
I didn’t read the comments but I swear if somebody compares it to putting a seatbelt on during an accident I’m going to explode lol.
Great video
But what if you had the pistol out, one in the chamber and already pointed at the subject how fast would you be the then....time is everything... what about non clock guys ( safety off then shoot???
Well done brother 👍
Yes
I bought a used Glock 22 GEN4 from law enforcement (with night sight), and I don't felt safe to carry one in the chamber. However, the rest of my guns are NEW, and I carry them more than nine years comfortably. Should I carry the use Glock 22 GEN4 from law enforcement (the gun looks nearly new--no scratch). Great content. Thanks for your contribution.
Glocks are reliable firearms, especially one previously owned by LE!
Thank you!
The only thing that this vid need to clarify this, would have been the targets so we can see if there is a precision gap between the techniques. Otherwise, a half a second is too little time to make a difference
I know its faster and better to carry with one on the chamber. However i carry a ruger lcp max. Im also a bigger guy with a gut and for the life of me cant find a place to put a Holster on myself. So i just pocket carry. Im concerned about accidental fire. Any advice?
I'm not overweight and dont have that issue but there are videos of overweight people showing how to conceal carry. Just search 'fat appendix carry'
See your thinking about it because you know what your going to do, in an actual event that happens your not expecting anything..if your carrying something and or have a thick coat on it will be different…
There is something to be said about the built in safety of revolvers.
I’m on the side of not chambered. If someone is two feet away from you then you have to fight with them and try to create distance anyways. You dropping a defending hand to draw will most likely open your defense to get stabbed or knocked out on your draw side. Learning how to fight is a really really good defense. Especially paired with training with a gun. Let’s put it this way- your wrestling with someone and you now have a loaded gun being pointed in all directions including your body vs you relying on fighting them off enough to draw SAFELY for your sake and if during the struggle they get the gun it’s not ready to go for them either. It makes sense to have it just a twitch away from firing if you are just training calmly imagining a fight in a square ready stance compared to understanding a actual fight. Fights are random and chaotic. That’s if you can turn the attack into a fight instead of getting steamrolled. You want to be fighting for a good position not reaching down opening yourself up and getting torn up with your mind being only on your gun. Defend, fight, create space and draw. That applies for one in the chamber too.Learn how to fight first. I mean on the calm draw it’s .3 seconds longer to rack it? That gun can be taken from you too. Total control is impossible even with a gun in your waist. Sorry folks
These guys who make videos are pros, truth is, the average person, normal person, not "gun freak" will be way slower in the whole operation and even unable to under pression being able to push that slide. And no talk about the two hands being involved.
I have a double action Sig P226. What is the proper method of having one in the chamber?
I’ve carried da sa pistols hammer down with one in the head I don’t really love the cocked and locked idea because of snag
Got my CCL yesterday carry cold today. Hot very soon.
I carry without one in the chamber. If I don’t have two to four seconds to think and rack, I’d rather not take the shot. Especially not with my Glock. My .380 is a different matter since it has a palm pressure safety. I’ll carry that one in the chamber. The odds of having to use a gun are incredibly low. Better to take cover first or at last take a second to be sure.
Carrying without one in the chamber is like not having a gun. Can make a difference between life and death. Always carrying with one in the chamber...
How many times have you been in a gunfight anyway?
@@shotgundamien what is it to you? Not your bussiness what i did or what i do...
Funny way to say none!
@@MattyB_adventues lol.
Round in the chamber is the only way for me. I also practice point aiming. At 7 yds I always hit center or close to center mass. Acquiring a site picture takes too much time in a hit or die situation. Some handguns are better than others to use point aim and the gun that works for me may not work for you.
The problem is... I have a sig P320 ...
The only gun I’d really trust with a round chambered is any revolver, or a glock gun.
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Am I weird that I carry my double action revolver witch means I'm always carrying one in the chamber without a problem BUT I get nervous when it comes to pistols 🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣
There are no pros for not carrying a round chambered in your firearm… if you’re worried about carrying a loaded firearm, then you will just require more training so you feel comfortable carrying a loaded weapon… otherwise you shouldn’t be carrying one until you do… an empty firearm isn’t useless by any measure, but if you’re in a life or death struggle to protect yourself or your loved ones and you’re not extremely proficient at carrying in that manner, then you lose so much advantage in an altercation because of your fear and confidence in managing your firearm… that just translates into more training until your confidence in yourself and your skills eliminates that fear… IMHO
Dude more training doesn't mean ur Gunna carry around in the chamber lol
@@leftfield170 I've got plenty of training from my time as an Airman and a bunch more from the private sector. I only carry hot if I'm out somewhere at night or in a sketchy area anywhere else I'm just more observant to everything around me. Two occasions I've been somewhere and a gun went off in someone's holster both while they were sitting down in a movie theater it can happen to anyone.
@@rc59191 thank you , i've been reading and safty is my first choice like you said depending on you area
One in the chamber or not yes or no and explain why I’m curious what everyone thinks and their reason
One in the chamber because you don’t have the luxury of choosing the time and place of when the fight comes to you ..
@@positivereactions4044 that or the fact that the perpetrator has a hold of one of your arms so you cant rack the slide if that happens
I would say one unchambered most of the time . I usely just carry a 6 shot revolver loaded with 5 shots so I just click twice when I draw to shoot . I'm not scared of a loaded gun I just rather just go to the hospital for accidentally shooting my self or someone. Keep in mind I do have a semi auto 15 shot pistol on my person also . Plus another 3 baby pistols on my person lol .
I don't understand why a lot of videos such as this comparing the time difference between a loaded and unchambered gun. it's a given, condition 1 will always be faster the condition 3 unless you are a super grand master. What matters most is how you react when you're in an actual gun fight situation. Once you adrenaline runs, can you maintain your composure, draw your concealed gun and are you ready to point the gun and shoot if you have not experienced shooting someone before? Either its a yes or no answer, it doesn't matter if you are in condition 3 or 1. But that's just me.
As a rookie Ccw. My biggest fear is someone seeing I’m carrying. And steal the gun when I’m not looking and shoot me with it in order to steal it. If it’s not chambered…. Which is what I’ve been doing. If that happens… I Can fight for the gun/ run away. Less of a chance to get shot by my own gun. I see it as less offensive high defensive. Vs carrying in chamber. High offense less defense. Hope it makes sense. Can’t tell you how many videos I’ve seen of bad people taking guns away from a cop and shooting cops with the cop gun. Any thoughts? Like I said I’m a rookie. But that is my biggest fear
not carrying 1 in the chamber is like thinking you will be able to put your seatbelt on before you get into a accident
Sorry I just don't feel comfortable. I carry with an empty chamber as well as the magazine in a separate pocket in a plastic bag to keep pocket lint out of the witness holes.
No point of carrying at this point 😂
all jokes aside, if you are uncomfortable then you probably shouldn't carry until you do feel comfortable.....no need to feel like everyone else......once you are comfortable then that's when you know you are ready to carry.
that's all right. carry empty until you are comfortable carrying with one in the chamber. I am a newby in CCW. For the first few outings I carried empty but built up confidence by practicing my reaction, mentally visualizing situations and watching some YT explanations. Now, I carry with one in the chamber because I feel comfortable.
At least u carry a pistol man. Doesn't matter how u carry just carry!! Put ur ammo clip in ur pistol please and just do safety checks throughout the day . I sleep with a Unchambered 380 in my pocket lol
Nobody cares…
Good luck to the guys carrying a SIG
Less than 1 % of the population could draw, load, chamber and shoot a concealed handgun in 1.6 seconds. The average shooter would likely add 2 seconds tto shoot and there would be a number of times the chamber would not get loaded or to correct a misload several seconds would be required.
This is obviously a well trained and practiced shooter. Normal shooters are deceiving themselves if they think they can come anywhere close to his performance. The response time will be magnified several fold for inexperienced shooters with an empty chamber.
My thought. Get a firearm you are totally convinced is safe with a chambered round. I have a Kahr PM9 I have trusted for 10 years. I also have a Browning high power 9mm. I don’t trust cocked and locked regardless of the data. It is a personal thing, not factual. I could not carry my Browning chambered. I just couldn’t. But I have no problem with the Kahr. Wear it every day. Never think about an accident. I am comfortable with my Kahr chambered, therefore this is the right firearm and technique for me. Everybody is different. Everybody needs to find their comfort zone.
Disclaimer, didnt veiw to the end BUUUUUT All I'm going to say is this: your lowest unloaded draw, rack and shoot was 1.62 seconds ("in a perfect world lets just say ...") your lowest draw while loaded was 99 seconds after a decent 1.5 seconds. Training. It's all about training. Israeli solders MUST draw, rack and shoot their pistol with accuracy in 1.2 seconds. So it's doable, you just have to train. Train in your style of carry. appendix, hip, bag, one in the chamber or not ... train drawing your weapon. It's a motor skill.
Don't drop your gun and if you do don't try to catch it, that's how they go off and always leave the chamber empty on long guns as a rule.
I was attacked with out warning or provocation , it happens in second , you have almost no time to react defendsively , I was hurt , now I think it is practical to carry a loaded pistol
I'm not sure the sight is very helpful in that situation?