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Do not kill your AIO cooler or CPU! Install and Orientation is important! How are you guys doing?
I have the same case. Most fun case to mod
@@vash9852 for sure
If i put a 240 aio infront and i have 3 120 fans infront of the system unit case. The 3 front fans direction would be air intake, then the direction of 2 fans of the aio would be what? still the same with the 3 front fans?
I have one question: In my PC case (Sharkoon Nightshark RGB), the power supply sits on top of the whole thing. Can I just mount the water cooling radiators there or will it block anything?
@@sm0k0r666 correct
This is what happens when "youtubers" jump on the hype of other videos... Almost all the pictures labeled as "wrong!" are perfectly fine...
Lol yup I fucking love everyone calling this guy out cause he’s being such a douche about it in comments
@@phizzledUP I hate how TH-cam disabled dislikes I just upgraded from an m22 to a kraken x53 and didn't know to follow this or not because of dislikes
it makes it really confusing for new people coming into the pc scene and trying to get into aios and such, I spent a day asking groups and watching videos and everyone had a different opinion.
Yup people watch gamers nexus and become phd in thermodynamics
@@ribertdun6402 it does and he got this info from gamers nexus aka tech Jesus. He later made a second video telling ppl to chill the f out.
Basically you want the pump (the thing that goes on your cpu) below the top of the radiator (thing w fins where the hoses are). So basically keep pump below the top of the loop. Even if you can’t do this, I promise you, nothing bad will happen. Gamers Nexus even says, if you can’t do the tubes at the bottom it’s not a big deal
The overall message was right, but if ur pump is lower than the highest point on your radiator than you are pretty much fine unless you have quite a bit of air in your loop. It’s not that bad Because the pull of the pump will not bring air to get stuck in the pump.Great video though, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Makes sense too. Thanks. I thought someone had told me this a long time ago. Was debating installation on a 240 but Im fine via this logic as pump is lower then the top
@@andrewb5894 dunno if it helps now, but i have the cooler a couple gens. behind his (h100i rgb platinum). I too have it set up the exact same way as him and have had it running in said position since april 2019. Havent ever "fully" cleaned the radiator (hit it with a duster can) and to this day at 100% cpu usage the temps max at 74°. If im not gaming its literally blowing cold air effectively acting as ac lol. He has a point but there's a reason why numerous compies market this setup. It works.
JayzTwoCents explained the same thing. It's annoying how everyone makes such a big fuss about tubes being in the top
It's not fine - the coolant flow is disturbed by the air pocket. The absolut proper way is to keep the air completly above the flow path. This is the same with the circulation pump in a house heating system.
I wish other people could give constructive criticism like this
To anyone seeing this video. You can front mount the radiator w/ lines up. I’ve done with lines up on countless builds and has never once been an issue, and they’ve lasted for years, and still going. Just don’t put your rad at the bottom.
Unless the pump is integrated with the rad.
Yep make sense because when I tried this just rn my pc suddenly turned off and when I checked my rad hose going to my procie it was so hot…. I waited couple minutes and went back to the original position which is lines up front rad my pc runs smooth af.
Vid with meaningless content
@StephCurry WithTheShot been using my radiator in Florida for ~2yrs...took about that long before the bubbling shit started. Definitely an annoying sound..
@@illeominati did you to intake or exhaust for front fans?
It doesn't matter as long as you haven't trapped the air in the pump in the first place. Just run it with the rad above the pump for a short time. The lines at the bottom are the best however, not because of air gaps but because of the thermosyphon effect.The pump will pump hot water to the bottom of the rad which, being hot will rise up naturally, assisting the pump. As it cools after the rise up it will sink down the second half of the rad because its denser. this effect reduces stress on the pump and in theory could mean some flow even if the pump isn't running
If the pump isn't the highest point of the loop it's not an issue. Don't spread false knowledge ;)
I think pumps go bad because the pump is on the cpu block and it gets hot
@@andremartin8045 a temperature that kills a pump will have killed a CPU many times already ;)
I'm talking about with time not right instant I know when I game for about 4 hours straight my cpu reaches up to 80°c while gaming after a year of owning the same cooler and I own a intel i9 10900k
@@andremartin8045 everything dies with enough time. Have seen enough normal fans die as well a pump with enough liquid can go for ages.
If you learn basic chemistry, heat accelerates chemical reactions. If the natural state of the material a pump is built out of, like a plastic, deforms over time, it doesn't matter if the temperature ever gets to a cpu killing point. High temperatures can cause deformation over time. Just like a waterfall erodes rocks over time.
Let me give you a great ideea and maybe you'll stop bashing people just because got in the "bash train" after you saw GN's video. ( Because i'm pretty sure you weren't even commenting a single word before that video about the orientation ). Go ahead and purchase a transparent plexi-radiator with a pump ( a general one, not PC related ) and test orientations and observe what does what. Your argument about doing 20+ years of computers is doing nothing since you are clearly in denial of the fact that it's OK ( and actually totaly fine ) to have pipes up, as long as the pump is lower. Please, do some damn basic research in fluid, air and thermodynamics and stop telling people that literally over a decade of AIO's has been wrong just because Steve told us some info about a "more optimal" orientation. Stop being toxic. PS: It's your word against researchers and propper engineers, why do you even do this... ?
Nope don't watch whomever that is. I am well aware of how this works. You can disagree. I will keep making videos.
N0th is correct. I don't mind people being wrong, but the arrogance of not taking constructive feedback from viewers is so frustrating, especially when this has already been proven
@@Akryl1kz dude..
Watch the Gamer Nexus AIO video…
It’s fine and no air will go to the top because AIR RISES
@@Akryl1kz noob channel
@@Akryl1kz Mechanical engineer here. It is absolutely fine to have the tubes going up so long as the pump is not the highest point in the loop. The amount of air that is initially trapped inside an AIO out of the factory is generally nominal. For enough air to enter the loop (via permeation) and begin to seriously cavitate the impeller of the pump would take several years, which is again generally outside of the design lifecycle of any given AIO (at which point it is the discretion of the user on whether they continue to use the AIO in their system). Would putting the tubes down be beneficial to prolonging the lifespan? Perhaps. Would that result in a drastic difference in performance and lifespan versus tubes up? Nope. It is important to be able to take constructive criticism; I've also built computers for decades but I would never assume to be authority on something that I have not studied and researched extensively. Pumps, on the other hand, are something that I definitely have an authority on :)
It's not about lines, it's about pump
Pump must be lower than top part of radiator. So you kind of have a point, but dude
Totally fine to have the AIO pump higher as long as the top of the rad is the highest point in the loop. Some loops aren't physically long enough to reach the CPU if you put the connection to the radiator at the bottom of the case mount. Really need to watch JayzTwoCents vid on this.
This right here all that matters is the top of the radiator is above the pump, does not matter if the tubes are up or down. I have a 3080ti I cannot mount the tubes at the bottom if I wanted to. The only thing you'll find if the tubes are at the top is you may let me say that again MAY get like and aquarium sound once you start to get some air in the line.
That's how my AIO is thermaltake 360 AIO has short tubing so I couldn't do at the bottom same with my MSI Seahawk
The thumbnail in the video is actually completely okay to do... as long as the pump isn't higher than the rad. Jay two cents talked about this and corrected it
I have been building computers for 22 years. My way is textbook. It's the "correct way" just because your "fine" doing it the other way doesn't make it the proper way. Just because a TH-cam has a ton of subscribers doesn't make them a genius or the best. There are plenty of guys I know in the industry that are better and smarter than any TH-cam person and they setup coolers exactly like in my video. Forget "popular" posts and videos. That doesn't make it right.
@@Akryl1kz Your way is just as " right" as tubes up because IT DOES NOT MATTER.
I agree. Air will work it’s way to the highest point. As long as your pump isn’t the highest point you are fine. Worked on cars and industrial equipment that use water pumps. Most of the examples that he said are wrong are actually fine.
@@Akryl1kz congratulations after that many years of your life you still dont know how air works👏
@@MrBugl17 incorrect period
Sorry, but Science says you are wrong, lines at the top are fine since air rises, and does not sink....
That is exactly the problem, with the lines at the top, so will the air be at the top which doesnt help the flow of water. I think you didnt listen to what he was saying (and btw hes not the only one saying it.)
@@alxbkers this is such bullshit...
@@alxbkers this vid is simply a copy paste of gamers nexus and jawtwocent. But he should have listened to the whole vid and the explanation video gn did. There they especially said that tubes at the top is okay if the pump is not the highest point. It's only a matter of sound.
You are contradicting yourself. If air rises on top and reach the tubes, that air will be sucked in the pump, no matter where the pump sits. If the air reaches the tubes, is game over.
The pump is far more powerful than gravity.
You can see the principle working in custom loops, where the reservoir has the air on top, away from the tubes.
An AIO is just a simplied form of a custom loop.
@@ares23dc no it doesn't. As the pump is not strong enough. And as the air always sits on the highest point it will stay there.
It is enough if the highest point of the system is somewhere in the radiator. The air doesn't flow downwards with the water, it stays in the uppermost part of the system.
Pump's up at the front doesn't matter, air comes in the highest place of the loop so if the top of the rad is higher that the pump it's fine. Pump's down is better but not always compatible if you have a large gpu.
This is funny af. It does not matter if tubes are up or down as long as the pump is lower than the top of the rad.
Incorrect
@@Akryl1kz you are the one thats wrong here lol, its fine
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Yeah Buddy is correct. As long as the pump isn't at the top of the loop, you are good.
This video isn't entirely correct.
Actually, it did matter, but not apply in all case...and either the way, your system will be fine if you didn’t go crazy on OC and high pump speed.
I agree to the way you pointed, installing the radiator on the top, with the pump on the bottom of the loop, but what didn't get is, how the pump would draw air, since it's a water pump, well sealed, or otherwise if it draws air, it wouldn't work it's optimum efficiency, or might fail, I thing the reason mounting it downside the loop is to minimize the water head below it, which has something to do with hydraulics, means the whole height of the water in the pipe should be above the pump, not below it, so it can circulate without overloaded( for a water pump, pumping water is easier than suction, unless it's a sump pump, which is meant for sumps), IMAO, this is how I understand how all water pumps generally operates.
Okay so, let's say, you flipped that rad and as you flipped it some of that air got in the hoses. Now if you got air in the hose, gravity will bring the air to the top of the hoses and into the pump, the air will not go back down the hose to the bottom band into the rad and back to the top of the rad. The only way to make sure it's correct would be to lay the PC on its back so the whole rad is above the pump and the air will push back into the rad
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Dude repeated the same thing like 10 times. I wanted to know the correct way to do and he just goes and repeats the same thing again…
Clearly, the correct way is illustrated visually if you w watched.
@@Akryl1kz you're a clown
Just keep the pump below the top on the rad, so the air doesn't have to go through it. Very hard to do this wrong unintentionally, rad orientation will make a lifespan difference but it's negligible.
You don't "know" this, you watched a video by a famous youtuber claiming it. Buy multiple systems with the exact same hardware then run them for several years and record the results. Then you will know if it is truly negligible. The fact is, no one here is denying that tubes down is the better way of mounting, so why would you even bother mounting it in a sub-optimal way?
I guess multimillion dollar companies with staffing of developers and engineers don't know what they're doing. Other TH-camr's and sources have already said side mounted loop on top is perfectly fine. Top radiator mount is best. But if so many manufacturers are doing the side mount. I'm certain there's no problem.
There isnt. This guy is saying its wrong with his pictures but as long as the highest point of rad is above the pump your fine. Basically this guy doesnt fully understand what hes talking about.
@@TSyoyo He watched a couple minutes of gamers nexus video and decided to pick on others based on his limited knowledge even though he is for the most part wrong
@@big_b2850 so you are saying Steve is wrong??? That’s what you are going with instead?? OK makes sense
@@phizzledUP No. I'm simply pointing out Joseph Corey's limited knowledge on the subject. I'm agreeing with Steve and Jay which they both have done the adequate research to make statements on the correct AIO installation, in correlation to joseph whom has not. This is why I point out that joseph has simply "watched a couple minutes of gamers nexus video".
I've had my 360mm radiator installed on the front of my case, lines up for three years, no problems, and still have great temps.
Can you hear any noise coming from the radiator? I want my machine as quiet as possible.
@@firstspar Nope.
@@chs_ambs8356 cheers. Trying to decide between a noctua nh-u12s and a kraken 360mm aio
@@firstspar I have a Corsair H150i. Either one of the ones you mentioned would be a great choice.
@@firstspar you should consider Arctic solutions, very good temp and zero noise.
As long as the top of the pump is BELOW the bottom part of the tubes, it is okay. Better if the tubes coming out of the pump is above the pump. If not, make sure no air or bubbles got trapped in the pump by moving or shaking the pump while the tubes are up.
By physics law, air bubbles will be pushed by the water and WILL stay on the very top of the construct. Which is the inlet tube of the radiator. Refer to the original setup of this video.
The outlet from radiator will always be free of air bubbles in this way.
So do the exact opposite of what he says in this video lol
Doesn't matter about the tubes, it matters about the highest point of the rad aswell, since air will naturally try to go to the highest point, as long as your pump is below the highest point on he rad it will work fine.
@@mikerzisu9508 th-cam.com/video/DKwA7ygTJn0/w-d-xo.html
@@mikerzisu9508 guy in video is a fool
Solution: put your pump radiator on the roof of your case, routinely top out your pump’s fluid and try using coolant instead of water, since water tends to evaporate more inside of AIO coolers. I think that solves most of the main issues.
on the roof is the worst spot because the fans blow the warm air from the PC through the Rad. The front is the best spot
@@Nynexx but the front is Hella ugly plus my NXZT is black with no RGB while the rest of my back and 3 front fans are RGB but not NZXT 360MM LCD aio so Ima put it on top plus I think it looks better that way smh
@@crimsonram77 depends on the one and case tbh
What if you can't mount it on the top
@@Nynexx Which isn't really a problem.
I installed mine on the top and the first thing I did was running a 4h load-test (19-10850K).
CPU Never went over 40°C (With the graphics card (Zotax Amp Extreme 1080 Ti at the time) being at 68°C).
I have 3x180mm Fans pulling Air out to the front and one 120mm fan pulling in from the back though (wish I could reverse this setup, but doesn't fit the other way round in my case).
My Main concern were GPU crashes I had in the previous case due to heat though - I don't overclock, so I just wanted to redirect one of the heatflows outside without going past the other components first and for that pulling out to the top worked best.
If you have 4x GTX 3090 installed in your case (exaguration :) ), you probably should not set it up this way though.
What I am saying is:
Think about what you are trying to acomplish before setting up your fans. And also run a test - especially if you are using your systems professionally (which most people with this kind of hardware probably don't) under load.
I’ve had my 360mm radiator mounted in the front for about five years now. Everything is still alive and stays at optimal temps.
As long as the top of the physical dimensions of the system is above the pump/block, you should be fine. You have to think of the entire thing as one water tank. The line can be up, but it's *more optimal* for them to be down, but it doesn't really matter as long as the pump itself is not the highest point in the system. Slightly below is fine, dead even is dicey, above is not ok
Youre right 👍
I assume your pump is gurgling by now, given your opinion...
The youtuber you took this knowledge from builds brand new pcs on a regular basis, they would not have a single computer around long enough like the typical consumer to see the negative effects of mounting orientation.
@@gamechannel1271if you have no idea what you’re going on about, it might’ve been better to save yourself the hate comment as well as the minute it took you to type out your feelings. Hopefully it made you feel better. Just know your comment still lays idle in a void of nobody cares….
If NZXT and Corsair show aio mounted like that, i'm pretty much sure they know how it's supposed to be mounted.
They have designers and they knew about it. That's why there is a tank on top of the water block.
But, i agree with your point. The way you show avoids the best air from going into the pump.
And water even in aio goes out at a moment wich means they are going to have air bubbles at a moment.
Yet, your pump is gonna die before it happens.
Gamers nexus did a full video on it with testing where you can see the liquid...
Best way is to put radiator on the top of the case with lines sloping towards CPU/Pump. Air bubbles rise to the top even if flow of water is to the bottom, Pump must be the lowest spot and lines should gradually rise to the radiator, any other install is wrong.
this is the video that jayzcent talked about haha
Try putting a 360mm radiator any other way but hoses up top when you have two case fans in the top of the case, dual stacked SATA cages right in front of the bottom of the radiator and a 340mm RTX4080 in between. I've got mine setup to get downhill to the pump from the radiator top and I'm idling at 28c, averaging 35c-45c in regular use, and 70c-72c in Cinebench multicore and games. And I've got no V shaped bend in my hoses right at the fittings to get around the drive cages. Computer is quiet as a mouse. So not sure if serious.
He's partially right here if you can mount the tubes at the bottom do that but what matters more though is the highest point of the loop is above the block Jayztwocents did a whole TLDR video on this as follow up as well as Steve from Gamers Nexus when everyone watched Steve's original video and tried to imply tubes down was the only proper way to mount the radiator which even Steve admitted is not always possible. You just may get some gurgling noises if the tubes are at the top of the loop which Steve points out as the biggest concern with that configuration. Still though if you want to be absolutely safe mount your AIO at the top of the case. This is the way even Steve recommends if possible. For those saying that's the worst spot you obviously need to look into your intake fans because there should be plenty of cool air constantly moving into the case. Steve also mentioned in his follow up even the incorrect way I.E block at the top of the loop rad at the bottom which is really the only way that will prematurely destroy your AIO if that's the only way it'll fit looking at you Phanteks Shift case then you just gotta roll the dice. Also permeation will happen regardless of how your loop is setup.
So... putting the hoses at the bottom of the radiator and below the pump isn't necessarily "bad" but it's not optimal. What he's done is create a local maximum potential in the pump, while maintaining a global maximum potential at the top of the radiator. The probability of this creating an issue is low, but it's not the optimal orientation.
What can happen is, if the system is sufficiently disturbed, say you move it to another location, any air which is in the radiator can end up trapped in the pump when you set it back upright. While the pump will probably get the air out, it's a lot of extra stress on the components and can lead to early failure. Ideally your pump is at a local or global minimum potential. Such that in operational orientation air will freely rise out of the pump.
It's not a huge concern, but your best option is to have the pump hoses exit upward, and always move generally upward towards the radiator, and to have the hose be at the bottom of the radiator. Given this isn't really possible with ATX form factor. The next best alternative is top mounting the radiator. If you must have a front mounted radiator, put the hoses at the top, and when you hear gurgling top off the fluid.
as long as the pump is lower than the highest point of the rad its fine
Bad advice.
Worst: bottom, unless the pump isn't in the block AND you can have the tubes exit the TOP of the block, in which case you will likely have few problems until there's too much air in the tubes above the block.
2nd worst: top, especially if the pump is in the rad, your temps will be higher in most cases.
Also, a lot of people cannot get their tubes to the bottom of a front- or side--mounted rad, especially in larger cases and/or if the GC is very long.
Again, where the pump is is a definite factor in the installation!
We would like to see some actual test results for noise decibels and cooling performance for all the different installation orientations. A 5 or 10 degrees or decibel difference would be interesting to know for mounting the cooler at 3 or 6 o'clock.
the tech jesus. look for gamers nexus
@@tontoloubiru5340 found it. he talks about it and shows the multiple correct orientation ways, but still i'd like to see actual test results for temperatures en noise production for THE best orientation.
But he’s built “1000 computers in last 10 years” he knows what he’s saying don’t question it
@@phizzledUP lol sheep
The pump isn't strong enough to suck the air from the lines above the pump all the way down the lines and into the pump. As long as the radiator is level with or above the pump, you're good.
it has been already proved by science that this isn't that bad. please viewers don take him to seriously. wont kill your cpu as your CPU has process that protect itself, second with newer pumps and AIO this is not even close to making a huge difference. this guy needs to look at some vides from Jay2cents and nexus.
I have been building computers for 20 years. Don't need to watch average pc guys that got famous for personality and general knowledge. My way is the txt book way. Air goes up. If lines are up air sits where the water flows. Period.
damn 20 years?? fr??? no wayyy bro
You should not blow hot air from the radiator towards the inside of the box. If those fans at the front were reversed you would be fine, as long as the rear fan was also reversed to bring cool air into the box. That is one reason why using the radiator at the top is better, because people don't make these mistakes.
yeah, um, you're wrong about that. It doesn't matter the orientation. I was running a 240 AIO with the rad up top exhausting warm rad air and then I switched to a 240 AIO with the rad in front pulling cool air through the rad and into the case and my temps are exactly the same as when i had the rad mounted up top. Except for my CPU temps, they are better because I'm not blowing hot air from my GPU through the rad. When my CPU is at load it hit's about 60C and my GPUs hot spot about 74C at the most, which is fine.
No it will not.. been running for 5 years same as thumnail and never had any issue
There is actually negligible difference from mounting on the top or front. While it is true heat rises and putting the fans through the top as exhaust is sometimes seen as more efficient, if you have exhaust fans in the front and back, one in the bottom 3r slot on the front pulling in, and the top radiator fans pushing out, you don't get really any temperature changes on the CPU.
This is actually a sub-optimal installation. Installing it like this, the CPU block becomes the highest point in the loop (where air will want to collect), and the hoses at the top of the radiator make it that much easier for air to travel to the CPU block.
AIO coolers always have air in them, both to allow for thermal expansion without bursting at seams, and as a byproduct of production. Over time, the liquid will evaporate and more air will be introduced into the system. All of this air is going to want to rise to the highest point in the loop - the CPU block. The pump can't effectively move a gas like air, so it will just remain here. Not only does the air not displace the heat properly causing reduced thermal efficiency, but it also will cause damage to the pump that resides inside this block. This cooler setup will fail prematurely, and potentially shorten the life of the processor. And in the mean time, it will probably be annoyingly noisy.
As such, the radiator must always be the highest point in the loop, no exception.
Agreed
where would install a 120mm cooler?? i wanted to put it at the bottom of my front panel so my case design would hide the rad but i think that's bad? this vid confused me and then the comments confused me more pls LOL
@@kierruhh6542 radiator must be placed higher level than cpu, thats what it matters
@@f.k.7023 thank you so much lol i understand now! that’s what i thought, i think i just confused myself watching/reading so many diff things
No, this isn’t suboptimal. All you have to do is make sure you have shaken the air out of the cooler and into the radiator before you install the cooler onto the board.
Lines at the top are SAFE as long as we follow the laws of simple physics. Air is less dense than liquid period and will collect at the HIGHEST point. The pump needs to be at a lower point. The REASON for the lines on the bottom is primarily for one reason less noise.
Doesn’t matter as long as your pump isn’t the highest point in the loop.
If your PC is builr for mostly gaming, and have a fan cooled GPU, it's usually best to mount the AIO on top so that the GPU, Ram, VRM's and motherboard components get cooler air from the front case fans instead of receiving a front mounted AIO hot air.
If you dont game and dont use a high power GPU, then front mount AIO with tubes on the bottom of radiator is best in cooling CPU by a few Celsius compaired to top mount AIO. Then again,, your ram, VRM's and other motherboard components will end up having higher temps.
So what manynpeople forget about is what your using your PC for and the motherboard component temps.
I mount my AIO on top so that my other motherboard components receive air from the front case fans and keeping my GPU and motherboard components cooler. Top mount is really the best of both worlds for a single AIO use.
Hope this helps people out.
Actually, it’s fine to have the lines at the top. As long as the pump is lower.
@@bm_wuratli6883 just watrich Jayz2cents vid or gamer nexus, don’t listen to this guy. Listen to the real professionals
Hydraulics expert and lecturer here:
If you have air in your system, the system is either garbage, or the manufacturer/operator sloppy. You never want air in any closed system with closed reservoir. Ofc I'm aware that there will always be a miniscule amount of air in the system, since almost all manufacturers don't configure and mount their systems under water/fluid - which would be the optimal way to do it.
That being said, in mobile hydraulics (which has many similarities with an AIO system) it's perfectly fine to have the pipes below the pump.
If your pump has higher wear because of this, than you have much worse problems than bad placement. 😂
Which chair did you get Corey? Time for a new one for me.
Respawn. They make great chairs!
What a sweet unicorn you have there :D
But setting jokes aside - a good video man!
This info is incorrect. Its a good thing youtube hid the dislikes now 😆
April 2024, 8200 likes to around 7300 dislikes.
Bruv, as long as the pump is lower than the top of the radiator it's fine. This rule is all one needs to follow. It doesn't matter if the lines are at the top or bottom. Really it doesn't. Been installing with the lines at the top for years and had zero issues as long as the pump was lower.
The radiator positioned with the tubes at the bottom is better but not always possible. As you say as long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop people will be fine.
As long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop, it's not going to damage anything.
Its not proper and can get air in the pump. Doing something incorrect for years and not having major issues doesnt make it correct. His install in this video is "by the book" and the "proper" 100% accurate way to do it. Facts.
@@benjaminwoodley7905 The warranty on an AIO is generally 5 years. That's because they're designed to last...5 years. Having your hoses on top for a front mounted radiator won't really change this. At best, you might get another few months difference out of it. Depending on the case, tubes down isn't always feasible, and more often than not looks absolutely terrible. Obviously, having a radiator on the bottom is always just a terrible idea. Beyond that, the difference is pretty minute. People were totally oblivious before Gamer's Nexus came out with a video about it anyhow. lol
yea JAYTWOCENT was saying in his video month ago not to have it below you AIO to have it above so now 2 different story here
@@elvisbest3213 I agree. Now this video is telling another story. So which is correct?
@@TheSpade357 this one seems to make more sense now about the way the air is trap and he explain even more about u can have it up just have to watch for air trap
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@@Akryl1kz thank you
Wrong. This is highly dependent on were your pump is. If your is on the head not the cooler, flipping the radiator will force the air to go to the pump.There is nothing wrong with the way NZXT and the rest of the marketers installed the AIO.
The key is just use some common sense and mount your AIO such that pump is lower than your reservoir. You want air in your reservoir not yor pump.
@@garrettbischoff3817 ;)
I mount my aio in the front hoses at the top and pump slightly below the top. I just make sure the lines coming out are at 3 o clock and lines pointing down. No issues.
I've had my aio "upside-down" for the passed 3 years and it effects pretty much nothing. The only thing you need to worry about is that your pump is not the highest part of the loop.
Same. Only difference is the AIO I'm using the "wrong" way has been going for almost 10 years. It's been cooling a 4770k 24/7 its entire life. It doesn't matter if the inlet and outlet are at the top of the bottom. The ONLY thing that matters is that the pump is lower than the highest part of the radiator. This nonsense has been spreading about AIOs for far too long.
@@1981AdamGs Maybe, just maybe you both have the AiO from manufacturer that uses just 2% of air? Steve did not disclose which company that would be.
Im glad i came access this stuff, i had mine like yours 😂 and I've been annoyed my the noise for a long time now
I had builds before all with different positioning of the rad.. bottom, top, side or front in my experience installing AIO I never encountered any problem.. except for one that the AIO completely fail after more than 6 months now that is a manufacturer defect.. I believe it`s all in the way manufacturers build their product. But great video man. keep it up!
What do you think is the best situation?
@@alizandi9606 I would say in my own opinion rad on top of the case since all the water bubble/air are on top of the rad while the bottom part which where the tubing`s are connected, nothing but water, it will also depends on the case especially mini itx cases where there`s small room for a rad, but nowadays even smaller form factor cases has the option to put rad on top like the lian li Q58 and the cooler master NR200P Max and the upcoming phanteks evolv shift XT
This is not a great video because the information is simply wrong.
Just bought a Thermaltake view 71 case wit Thermaltake aio. I didn't realised he had rad outlets st top? The pump was under these outlets. However air sits at top of rad so it definitely had air through it. I'm hoping the pump doesn't need water to lubrication the bearings? Thanks for sharing
Another great video buddy 👍
Your video is almost right. As long as your intakes are higher than your pump when installed with lines up, air will never get into the pump. The pump is just not strong enough to get the air in your pump. The air will always be at the intake side of your radiator. If your gpu is bigger you can still go for the 360
And what If you can Install Side fans?
Learned something new today!
learn nothing , need only the pump to be lower whit 1cm and is enough to trap air in radiator and not the pump and work fine this no problem . This guy make it so dramatic ..at this point is stupid
Incorrect. Lines is NOT the correct way. Thats a fact. Air will collect in the highest point of the loop. If the pump is correctly placed and NOT at the top of the loop that means the radiator will be the top of the loop and if the lines are up, air gets into the lines. Thats mathematical facts. Not going to argue it. Do what you want with your PC but this is pure fact.
@@Akryl1kz If the tubes are down will the air travel down the radiator to the pump? No it will collect on top of radiator because pump is not strong enough to force the air down the radiator. If the tubes are up will the air coming into the radiator travel down the radiator back up to the pump? Same answer as the first question
My nephew put clear tubes on his aio with tubes up and the air never travels down the tubes.
You're assuming the only way air is going to enter the loop is through the radiator. That's incorrect as air can make it in through the hoses. Having the hoses go upwards from the CPU block allows air to not get stuck in the block. If hoses go down from the block, the air that enters the loop via the hoses will get stuck in the block. If you can't top-mount the radiator then make sure theirs a reasonable amount of hose above the CPU block to trap air bubbles so they don't enter the block. With an AIO with pre-cut hoses, that's going to require mounting the hoses up in most instances.
Wow what a pile of misinformation
Thanks man! Your video is so on time for me, just bought AIO cooler and now I know how to install it correctly.
Thanks 😀 glad u could help. Stop in and hang out during the live sometimes
Excellent video! This is good info 👌
Thanks Rob!
There both the correct ways as long as the top of the pump is below the top radiator. Nothing to worry about if u have enough water in there as the pump is not strong enough to suck the bubbles down
As long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop it don't matter. Linus
As a programmer analyst from the 90s and with decades experience in tech support and systems operations, I also find it astounding how many people suddenly like to "appear knowledgeable".... there's lots of TH-camr "opinion and advice".... to me, this is a pretty clear example of opinion vs EXPERTISE which comes with years of experience....I do appreciate that people try and do something with their time, but I dunno.... ever give ChatterB8 a try? 😊 peace out
you should definitly watch JayzTwoCents
videos abute this!
Been building pcs for 26 years. My video is the correct way. Whether damage is minimal, max, slow, whatever the case may be the way to install it properly by the book is the way I do it and it's in the video.
LOL J2C. Worst tech channel on YT. Just lol
Apart from not being fully correct
(Since the air will mostly stay above the tube inlet/outlet on the radiator)
But your not wrong about it being beter with tubes down
But there is a more serious mistake with the setup that you have in that NZXT case that I noticed and it’s listed as one of the most common stupid Mistake’s people make with regards to liquid cooling radiators …
You have a push/pull setup with different fans to push from the pull fans
To fix this you can move one of the push fans to the pull side at the same height as the other one is and the same for the fans on the pull side so that both fans are in line with each other
You could also replace 2 fans with the same type that are currently used on ether the push or pull side
The issue is that the fans are not the same on both sides and that results in the fans working against each other
If the pull fans can move more air than the push fans than the push fans are restricting airflow
If the push fans can move more air than the pull fans than the pull fans are restricting airflow
This can result into noise and performance issues
It can even be so bad that running only push or pull fans setups might even give you beter performance than the push/pull setup you are currently running
Life saver! thanks man
Your welcome 🙏
This is the problem with TH-cam. It’s like a game of telephone.
Umm…
your camera angle is not good.
could only see half of your face the whole time
His hat is his face
Lol
It's the reason I decided against using AIO, I often change orientation and rotation of my custom PC chassis, and I simply don't want to deal with dead pump in 2-3 years down the line.
i have thermaltake suppressor f1 case that have motherboard installed at the bottom, whitch radiator position should i install ?
ps: sorry, english is not my first language :")
👋 No worries. Top or front
i might be wrong but wont putting the radiator as shown in the video make the pump the highest point?
There is no air in the pump with the tubes top either
The reservoir at the top of the rad might gurgle a little but it’s literally not factual that air is going to go into the pump with front mount tubes top
The air isn’t going to travel DOWN the tubes and into the pump
If this was the case then a top mount radiator would also have a problem
I've had mine installed like the thumbnail for 4 years.... Zero issues. I didn't even bother repasting. 9700k at 5ghz on all cores, 75c on max load lol. Never above 65 during gaming sessions.
Totally agree, just because some people can mount it lines up doesn’t make it correct. You can do things a certain way for your entire life it just means it’s been wrong your entire life. This is textbook install. Good video
So as long as you mount up top your fine right? Or do I still want the hoses facing a certain way?
Correct top is best.
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Hey, awesome video. Which GPU(manufacturer) is that?
Ummmm no, its fine if the pump is lower than the top
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I saw a video about Msi Mag Coreliquid C240 and someone on the comment section said this:
"Be very careful as MSI is showing it top mount in pics. This AIO is unique it's pump is in the radiator not the block that attach to cpu. If you top mount there will be air bubbles up there as it's higher and will effect tube suction and likely lead to early death. I read people online who had theirs die within 2 to 6 months while front mount no issues. I had mine top mount for 2 weeks until I realised thankfully seems no bad damage it's now front mount with tubes coming out of lowest point (tubes bottom ideal but top if they can't reach still better than to mount it top). I also get much better cpu temp while my gpu went up just slightly no big deal. Best of luck."
Is that true?
Hey, does this still apply if the 120 mounted at the back of the case?
Thanks in advance.
Nvm you covered it later in the video, cheers.
The craziest thing about this video is that the about the half minute mark it said “circle triangle square” this is the same variation of the card in squid game
On todays episode of "average Joe thinks he's smart" we have this clown
Did you think of that all on your own? Such intelligence.
I had an msi mpg 360 aio, the pump was actually built in the radiator (but in a INWIN 303) case theres only one place to mount such an aio... behind the pump was my psu so the fan that was in a pull configuration had the psu right behind where the pump was... my pump fail within 2 years of having it. I now have a corsair iCUE H100i Elite CAPELLIX XT 240, but again my 303 case doesnt have a top mount or front mount place for the cooler... theres this plastic piece in the top that seperates the front from the back of the case so while you can put the aio on this piece right behind the rad is your psu and all its cables. Not good when needing proper airflow. Currently i have a much bigger case where i can top mount my corsair or my 360 ID cooling aio (which ive heard great things about.) But being that im running a 10th gen i7-10700k with a rtx 3080 i might send back the corsair aio unit. Even when i first installed the msi 240 my cpu temps idle were around 54c to 57c, under load playing cyberpunk2077 they jumped to 90c... for the cpu... and that was on high settings not ultra. All in all the INWIN 303 case, plus the msi aio with a pump built into the radiator may have been a fail from the jump. Recently my MSI z590 Ace gold edition (the silver with fake 24k gold dragon mobo) gave c1 errors. Once i fixed that and got my system booted i got A7 and then while in bios my computer gave me an error saying my cpu temp was too high. I shut it off immediately and ordered the Corsair. But then decided to order a new case as well since my INWIN was so small. Fingers crossed.
Thank u so much I couldn't put it at the top bc it didn't fit so I had to put it in the front and I didn't think of a good Placement
Appreciate you watching bro glad I could help
Oh Boy, indeed its correct but by installing at the Front how do you like the fact that the hot air from the AIO Cooler is blowing INSIDE the Case ? I dont like that. Makes no sense to me...its just heating up ALL components..
This guy knows nothing about how to correctly frame a video, example of which is 0:33 onward.
I wouldn't say that top is better than front (correctly mounted). It depends on your case and what you want. For example, radiator front = cooler cpu, radiator top = cooler gpu.
Im currently planning on building my own rig, where should I install the cpu cooler in my corsair 5000x? Front or top of the case?
@@Sosspurple2318 the 5000x supports a 360mm at the top, I would just use that!
@@ties9123 right thx for the advice! Also how do i set the fans? Intake or exhaust?
Miss your streams man. Come back !
Thanks Aaron. I will be back soon maybe tomorrow. Had a huge move to my new house to finish up.
2:52 what?! there was a red wii?? mind blowing. I thought the black one i dad once was the coolest.
Yea they had a limited edition
This video is the only incorrect thing here, as long as your pump is lower than the highest point of your AIO then it’s completely fine.
Wrong
@@Akryl1kz literally everyone has proven that point, stop clickbaiting
What about a GPU AIO? Should the tubes be at the bottom of the case (below the pump) or above the pump at the top of the front of the case.
I wouldnt say that it would kill your aio. I been placing it on your original position for years and many other people too due to case complications. Even jay2cent,bitwit, and Greg Salazar
say it was okay.
Its not proper and can get air in the pump. Doing something incorrect for years and not having major issues doesnt make it correct. His install in this video is "by the book" and the "proper" 100% accurate way to do it. Facts.
@@benjaminwoodley7905 but saying it would "kill your aio" is a little too much dont you think.
Re: 1.12 The picture that says this is wrong. He is wrong. Whilst having your AIO installed that way is not ideal it is by no means bad or wrong. As long as the pump is not above the radiator you will be fine, the air will collect at the top of the radiator. It would be better to fit the radiator with the tubes at the bottom but usually the tubes aren't long enough or the GPU gets in the way. But if you can fit the radiator to the roof of your case in exhaust is best.
Ignore him, you will be fine with tubes at the top as long as pump isn't higher.
Long story short, don't mount the rad on the bottom. Common sense. As long as the pump is below the highest point of rad your fine. Don't let these TH-cam people scare you.
Didn’t Gamers Nexus do a video like this?
@@ethangray9805 yup, and i said the same thing on that video also. Lol
What you are saying isn't accurate. Not to be ignorant but it is indeed not correct while talking about a pump. It don't matter where you put the block or any part of it for that matter because you are forcing that fluid through the radiator and through the hoses to the block. It isn't using gravity or convection to push the water around.
Good video
Thanks
As long as your radiator is above your pump you will be fine Jayz 2 Cents made a whole video about it💯🔥
Just came here to say I've had a Ryzen 7 3700x with Asus ko 3070 oc and for 2 years played heavily 1440p everything max and my water cooler isn't dead. An its set up exactly like the picture for the video.