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If You Thought Cyberpunk Was Cool, Try Demonpunk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ย. 2024
- Today we talk about... well no, actually today we INVENT the Demonpunk genre, which is basically Doom slightly summarized. Good? Good.
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Oddly I think ULTRAKILL actually fits into demonpunk, and Im shocked there isnt more discorse around the game
Blood punk.
Blood is fuel.
it fits perfect you are tearing down both heaven and hell, and you are in hell
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 Hell is full.
I was explaining the different type of punks to a friend of mine and then he asked "is there a demonpunk or angel punk?" I told him to check out gothicpunk and that it basically doesn't exist and left it at that.. five hours later this gets posted now we wanna watch it together
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The creators of world of darkness, (vampire the maskerade, hunter the reckoning and a bunch of others) describe their world and rpgs as gothicpunk, I would recommend bruva alfabuza his primer, but in short: urban decay, secret magic police and the death of creativity are all elements of their stories and what is a room of vampire executives if not gothic, what is world where you can beat their heads in with a crowbar if not punk?
@@Artselen i am fully aware of alfabusa but funnily enough i got introduced to the universe by scrolling on gog and stumbling onto bloodlines
SPAWN is definitely in this category as well.
UP NEXT: Punkpunk: just being a human in an utopia
That's solar punk
punk punk is what tv tropes classifies all the types of punk under
I also like Solar Punk.
So Solarpunk?
Demonpunk: Hellboy, definitely.
Please do Fairypunk...
Examples:
Jim Henson's Labyrinth
Guillermo Del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth
American McGee's Alice games
We're getting to the point where we're just renaming fantasy.
@@muntu1221 Fantasy is a broad term, I'd say it's more like making different categorizations of fantasy. (Examples: Fairytale fantasy, Epic fantasy, and Sci-fi fantasy)
Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal
Blasphemous, Castlevania, and Diablo may also fall under this category.
Solar Punk and Water Punk next?
Blasphemous is a 10/10 (and they still managed to improve so much with the second game)
To me a game that comes across as demon punk is devil may cry
I see it
Two medias that fit this at least in my opinion is Hellsing and Postal. Hellsing has that religious counterculture. A vampire named Alucard fighting other vampires, Nazis, and The Vatican. Manga, OG TV Show and Ultimate version. Postal the visuals. Religious theming to demonic overtones. May not seem like it, but in Postal 1 and 4, especially 1. From the hellish writings to the demonic appearance and heavy rock music. It definitely has that Demonpunk feel. Loading screens, scythe and sickles being weapons Postal Dude uses in official art. To the sounds and the demon voice/ wings Postal Dude has. And has slight overtones in it.
Thanks for making this video. Always been obsessed with this aesthetic but sadly it never had a name. I'd check anime for more examples. I listed Hellsing but Beserk too. Even slight aesthetic designs of characters like Stain or Goblin Slayer can give that feeling. Just not the political Undertone.
Oh and Ultrakill is a must for this Punk. Main character is Gabriel the Archangel if I remember correctly
Gabriel is the antagonist of Ultrakill. The main character is V1, a robot fueled by the blood and is actually the aggressor in the situation. They invaded hell to continue fueling themselves after all life on earth was wiped out
@@planetdrull1701 Okay my bad
@@user-uc6xi8sv5u Nah it’s all good. I just think the dynamic of an indifferent robot being the driving force behind the destruction of heaven and hell adds to its own aesthetic
I'm beginning to think Devil May Cry might fight with the Demonpunk sub-genre, with the biggest example being DMC5, where the influence of hell (named The Underworld in the series) has been allowed to meld and corrupt the human world on full display through the Qliphoth.
Well what do you know? Turns out the story I'm writing is a dieselpunk-demonpunk hybrid
If I had to classify something other than Doom as Demonpunk, I’d have to go with Event Horizon.
The best thing about Demon Punk is the birth of Argent Metal
Mick Gordon really did change the musical landscape
Demon's Souls. Basically god and satan (The Old One) are one and the same and it's up to the demon slayer(you) to stop him and his demons.
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I think a common character archetype in this kind of genre is what I would call “the slayer.” The doom slayer, Gutz from berserk, Kratos, Asura from Asura’s wrath. They all embody a character that defies the wills and desires of gods and those that would wish to be gods. Their own will power being the strength required to literally reshape the world at times. It’s a bit of a hyperfixation of mine
Kratos is peak fiction, so I wouldn’t blame you
Argent Metal, thats what its actually called.
thats the genre of the music
The Chronicles of Riddick: the Necromonger takeover & Furion fight back in a universe awash in technology & magical power fits the bill perfectly.
The movie Priest (2011)may well qualify too. Set in a post apocalyptic high tech world, the main protagonist is a priest fighting a fascistic clergy in order to find his daughter. he ends up fighting hordes of the priests spiritual antithesis the vampires.
the best examples of demonpunk are Hellboy and Devilman
Like Asura's Wrath ig
OH YEAH Asura quite literally fights God
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I think the stories, aesthetics and overarching themes of both Diablo, three and Path of Exile one and two, fit the demon punk sub genre, pretty well. They both have themes of the angelic, and the demonic, seating the mortal world, and warming its way into reality outside of their own. Path of exile, especially as strong ties with this, I think because of the ancient cultures that utilize demonic blood sacrifices, and ancient other worldly technologies, alternately to their ruin.
Thanks for including Darksiders 2 in this video. That made my day
Honestly, i think the element of argent energy should be kept throughout the genre. Also, it is amazing to see darksiders again, now that the producers made an announcement.
Alot of the Shin Megami tensei games could be consdiered demonpunk. Highly recommended for writers looking for ideas on how to tackle this sort of genre.
Clive Barker's Jericho I think would fall into this as well
Bayonetta would actually fit this definition of Demonpunk quite nicely. You may have unwittingly coined the term of a pretty legitimate subgenre
SEUM speedrunners from hell fits perfectly
Lol, all of these parameters fit the story of sky: children of the light. You are a being of light escorting spirits to the stars while burning away the darkness and curruption in a ruined post-apocalyptic world.
Don’t forget the Clive Barker stories of HellRaiser and The Barkerverse comics or the film Event Horizon.
Dusk
Literally the game Dusk is what you're describing from top to bottom. It's on steam, it's alot like doom.
Something that could be very Demonpunk would be Magnagothica: Maleghast. It's a tabletop wargame by the guy who made the Lancer RPG and the webcomic Kill Six Billion Demons. Speaking of, KSBD might also be, but I personally have yet to read much of it. I just know Tom, the Author, is a big fan of this kind of stuff.
Army of Darkness is a good one I think. Guy fights an army of skeletons and demons with a boomstick.
Groovy, baby.
whoever cooked the environment design of Urdak in doom eternal needs a raise
Im thinking about Legacy of Kayn series would be a Demonpunk.
Quasimorph fits in pretty well.
demonpunk: every death metal album cover
Seems to that demonpunk would be exchanging knowledge, abilities, forms, materials, etc with beings from another dimension (dimension , dimen, demon).
Definitely the Hazhin Hotel, Hellboy, and a bit of BATIM, they all fit in Demonpunk
Hellblazer/Constantine fits this
Silent hill perhaps?
I think that demonpunk as I see it is that it’s the counter culture for the modern age is that to be noble even in a situation where demons have corrupted. The counter culture of the modern age is to be a knight.
supernatural does seem to have some aspects of demonpunk, but idk if it would be counted given demons later become the good guys, angels the bad guys, and then it just kind of flips until no one is really the bad guy or good guy, same with God and the darkness, tho God is 100% a bad guy in the later series.
I think it fits. Demons are not the bad guys per se, as we see in Darksiders.
Ah speaking of the devil I just made a comment in the diesel punk video about this glad there’s a video about it.
5:13 🔥
Should probably be called DoomPunk. It sounds like fighting against an impending doom that feels unstoppable.
personally i prefer the idea of demonpunk as human technology perverting (or if ur like me then it would be considered more cleansing) religiousness of its untouchability, since we're still making the genre i think its fine if i cant offer any examples except doom, but overcoming our need for gods and demons by literally disposing of them was one of my favorite takeaways from doom
Dethroning the structure is a great addition to this actually, I love tht
@@Buster-McTunder right? it tickles the emo dweeb part of my brain too
I don’t know much about chainsaw man after the anime but I also believe that it fits in the demonpunk genre
Already one of my favorite punk . I love using of hell and haven myths for stories and fiction specially when it is very metal. Also hellsinger is a good example story of a fallen angel who fight his way in hell to heaven to take back what they taket from her
Would the Constantine movie (the one with Keanu Reeves) be demonpunk?
Definitely would say Spawn is also demonpunk
Would the devil may cry game series count?
Is there Angelpunk btw??
Would be neat if you do Capepunk :p
Hellsing kinda seems like demonpunk
What about splatterpunk?
Try fantasypunk.
darkest dungeon is kinda demonpunk
Yes!!!! been waiting for this video
So...would the Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel be demonpunk?
My brain says no but my heart says yes
I think every fiction that uses biblical and religion believes and legends of hell and heaven can be a demon punk. I'm not myself religion but love fiction that using Christianity folklore for their world building.
Next up atomic punk
After taking a quick scroll through the comments I would like to offer up HELLGATE an older MMO of hell unleashing on earth and humans fighting back
As I knew, it exists a punk subgenere called arcanepunk or dungeonpunk. Its really demonpunk just arcanepunk focused on demons or can be even another subgenre?
By the way, another good example it's the failed franchise of hell gate
Dope
Uhm. It's just science fiction, but sure, let's go with Demon Punk (yet there is no Punk culture exhibited). Labels everyone! Labels everywhere for everything and everyone!!!
The whole point of the video is to define the counterculture for Demonpunk.
@@Buster-McTunder I get it. I just don't like it.
Valid. Thus is the flow of language and culture
So, is Berserk Demonpunk?
Magipunk if you want to.
I think that would be a bit too vague to limit. Magic can exist in almost any tech, culture, time, setting.
What would be the defining feature(s)?
@@Talon19 and demonpunk isn't? But if you're hung up on the name, an alternative I've seen for what I'm referring to is dungeonpunk.
Hazbin hotel is demonpunk
DMC
Would Diablo count as demonpunk
I’m not sure, I don’t know the story of Diablo. But based on the title I’d lean towards yes
@@Buster-McTunder i dont know diablo lore well but to summarise angel and demons battle over the control of a world and the humans are caught in the cross fire the angel are worshipped by some humans but the angels are not so benevolent or carring towards them
Is there Angelpunk?
The only thing I can think of would be the same as Demonpunk, just a different name
@@Buster-McTunder Ok, thanks
I can see Angelpunk as humans interacting with actual angels to fight back against theocracies and warped interpretations of scriptures.
@@Talon19 that sounds awesome 👌 👏 👍 😊❤
@@Talon19 that sounds awesome 👌 👏 👍 ❤, thank you
Yes, but why? Why are all these genres under the -punk umbrella?
To me, punk is defined wholly by subculture starting, continuing, or ending.
Dieselpunk doesn’t seem to have any subculture; more like a monolithic culture that stagnated. Similar with all the other punks.
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What about the concept of Solarpunk.
Idk, I envision this a lot more "religion" related than merely a status quo. If we are still doing IRL relations, then demons don't exactly exist, we can only become them in opposition.
And humans only embraced a title such as "demon" when faced with paranormal powers or in relation to one's spirit, rather than, say, political. I know religion tends to go political, as well. Not only that, but "demon" is used to explain a lot of mythological creatures besides christianity. Yo-kai are very loosely demons. Buddists have their own. So the term is already very loose.
So if I already explained my thinking on "demon", and punk is anti-establishment, to me it seems that our goal is to demolish any single "central" religion to dominate. Anti-the established religion, so to speak. This could support the change for 2 ends: no religion, or many scattered sects/cults.
The very first Bayonetta does exactly this, to then do it again in the second game, even subdoing the very demons she "controls" (rather, is a contract) to rescue Jeanne. At the end of the first game, Bayonetta is one of the last 2 remaining Umbral Witches. Her status in an "establishment" is lost.
So the changes required to make this "punk" or "alt" also exist. And to top it all off, she isn't a god, therefore an "established" power. She is but a rogue.
I am not sure if Kratos entirely counts, as he is a god of the Greek pantheon, however! He does count in the games based on Norse mythology. No power to speak of (at the beginning at least), not of the pantheon, and no longer part of the establishment, to explain the change necessary to explain this as "punk" or "alt" in relation to the rest of the context. Not sure if this counts either, but maybe Legacy of Kain potentially?
Ultrakill might be a good game to check out :)
I’ll definitely have to check it out
Shin Megami Tensei is kinda demon-punkish.
Attack on Titan
I like this one
Is hades demonpunk
Don't think so. Just based on Greek mythology
ultrakills a good example of this
I'm the one thousandth view. Very cool
Something tells me you simply don't like cyberpunk.
Just wait until I cover Cyberpunk
@@Buster-McTunder can't wait for the title to be "What is Cyberpunk and why is it better than Cyberpunk" 😂
I disrespectfully disagree.
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Please elaborate
Is Demonpunk about anarchism?