Who are the Four Spiritual Primates? [Lego Monkie Kid Season 5 Theory]
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00:00 | The Four Spiritual Primates
01:25 | Adaptations
02:29 | The Six Eared Macaque
04:02 | The other two Spiritual Primates
07:24 | Is MK the fifth?
10:07 | Outro
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Journey to the West Research's article on the Four Spiritual Primates:
journeytothewestresearch.com/2022/02/20/a-quick-study-of-the-four-celestial-monkeys-from-journey-to-the-west/
Don’t forget that macaque got sun wu kongs power by tricking MK
@@voidedspark6494 If you are talking about Macaque's powers/abilities, then I'm going to have to disagree there.
In season 1, Macaque actually didn't steal MK's specific powers, he stole the power/energy fuelling them - which is why Macaque says "Thank you, for giving me all of Monkey King's power" in that episode, instead of "powers".
And remember, Sun Wukong's power that Macaque stole was returned to MK at the end of that episode.
In season 2, we can see in the flashback that Macaque has had the ability to make clones for a long time. And he uses this power again in season 3.
In season 3, there is also a scene where we see Macaque shapeshift into a bird.
I think there is a high chance of red buttocked horse monkey showing up in season 5 mainly based of what we have seen so far with the new villain being in the underworld (death) and nuwa appearing in the season 5 set (she made humanity out clay, life) i think the main theme of the new season might be life and death kind of like the red buttocked horse monkey is able to avoid death and lengthen its life connecting it to the theme of the season (?) this made more sense in my head not gonna lie 😭
Oh that's a good point! It definitely would make sense for the Red Buttocked Horse Monkey to show because of the life/death thing 👀
I wont leave the possibility that MK is Sun Lüzhen from Later Journey to the West, or a reference to him since he is also born from a stone
Yeah I rewatched this all today and I believe he is the spiritual descendent of Sun Wukong, aka Sun Lüzhen 👍
"Some people think MK is one of the four" That's me, I'm people. But you're probably right, he is probably something else
Well, you never know 👀
@@RVSketchwell he use sun wukong stone, he born and share the same stone as sun wukong so mk it's probably like copies of sun wukong but somehow it's not created perfectly..
@@caramela56706I have 2 theories about MK's origin.
My 1st theory is that MK was meant to be Sun Wukong's child or something of the like. Maybe he had wanted a family at one point and "Nuwa" decided to grant that wish? We see Wukong standing next to the stone when it was whole, looking at it before turning his head towards the "camera". Like he was being told about the "child" and was about to question it.
When he met MK at the start of the series, he said, "I've been kinda watching you". We don't know for how long, but he may have been watching over MK since birth. (Or maybe it was only a week. Who knows.) He may not see himself as a good father figure and may have seen to it that MK was raised by someone who could/would care for him. Or someone may have been after MK's life and hid him away.
Even now, he may not be comfortable with the idea of being a father and prefer to keep MK in the dark, until he saw MK glitching in and out of his monkey form.
2nd theory is that MK was made to be the reincarnation of the Zodiac Monkey. I hope the Zodiac appear, if not season 5, a later season or a special. Monkey is missing (be it that they ran away or died) and the others go looking for them. Finding MK, they think he's been kidnapped or doesn't remember them, and try to "rescue" him.
Either theory would be interesting to see and explore. I have had more theories, but they fall apart too easily.
@@jagirl966 well that will be interesting to see other zodiac characters and the other two spritual primates.. welp let just see what season 5 lore will be :D(also they a bit delay the season for a while )
@@jagirl966 Btw I kinda want to learn about sun wukong and macaque backstory even more because it feel interesting for me, I mean season 5 will be darker anyway-
An interesting theory, they're all essentially byproducts of Sun Wukong learning/using his powers.
Idk why but I always imagined/hoped that either the red-buttocked baboon or that bare-armed gibbon would be female in monkie kid (I just feel like it would help provide more strong female characters that JTTW lacked)
Oh same! My drawings of them that I show in this video are female interpretations ;)
@@RVSketchnice touch ;) also I can’t stop imagining if Mei meets one of them and they have a long talk about feminism and being girl bosses XD
Mmm yeah I have that feeling too😅
@@gracekim25 I’m just exited for season 5 tbh
I see your point
It would be cool to see
I just want all of them to show up as male like in the novel
If they were to appear and be female I would just hope that the show allows them to be likeable hopefully even loveable and be allowed to be vulnerable just as they are strong (like Mei for example)
I always thought instead of the other 3 monkeys being a personification turned real by some power, it was just the characters taking on the role that created that narrative. Although I would still believe it if it happens.
Considering how much Monkie Kid uses JTTW as a jumping point, and can land relatively far from the source (LBD and Spider Queen), I’m still super excited to see what they do with them, if at all. Still love the theory videos! Gets the brain thinking!
Thanks! And yeah, I do hope the writers do something with the other two Spiritual Primates. There's not much about them in JTTW, so the writers have a ton of creative freedom.
This was really interesting, I hope we get to see them in lmk!
Just wanna clarify, since I've just watched it, there is a movie called "The Four Monkeys: The Return of Sun Wukong" but it's live action. Some websites seems to accidentally put the animated movie poster with it. It's also called "The Monkey is Back"
Yeah, I was confused about that when I was researching lol. Maybe they just both had the same name? Anyway, does the live action one actually have the other two Spiritual Primates in it? I was struggling to find any information on that one.
@@RVSketch Apparently there's a triology so far, the first one is "Tears of no regret", only has Wukong in it. The second one is "The Macaque Monkey/Six Eared Macaque", which you can tell has Macaque in it. This third one only has Wukong again, weirdly enough. But if you look at the intro of the second and the third movie, there's a animated sequence where we're introduced to the four monkeys, so i assume there'll be more movies where the other two appears. Hope this makes sense lol
@@anaesthetic312 lol it would be funny if the other two Spiritual Primates just never showed up - very weird that the third movie just has Sun Wukong again 😅
wow just an amazing theory, but I think the creators of the show will not tell this in season 5, most likely in season 5 we will be told more about MK's past, and already 6 and 7 will be more dedicated to Sun Wukun and his past, but this is just my theory
Thank you! And hopefully there will be many more seasons!
I've been wanting to make an oc based on one of the two other celestial monkeys for so long, but I couldn't find almost any information or designs of them to get inspiration from. Anyway, thanks for the video! It was very interesting and exactly what I was looking for ❤
Thank you! And I'm glad to have helped! If you want some insight into the thought that went behind my drawings/interpretations of the other two Four Spiritual Primates, I made sure to only look at species of monkeys and apes that lived in China (of course, you can totally do non-Chinese species if you want - JTTW is a fantasy world).
And I made the Long-Armed Ape Monkey an Eastern Black Crested Gibbon because a. it's a gibbon, and b. that species of gibbon has long arms (but all gibbons do). But also I just liked the look of that species tbh.
I made the Red-Bottomed Horse Monkey a Formosan Rock Macaque because they have red bottoms (although there are plenty of other monkey species with red bottoms 😅).
And I also looked at pictures of traditional Chinese clothing, but I'm not sure if the clothing I drew is particularly accurate lol.
@@RVSketch Thank you again!! I really like your designs they're really creative, and the way you drew them is super cute and distinctive! I hope that if these guys actually appear in the show they'll kinda look to how you imagined them hehe
the red ass baboon is interesting in particular esp with the description of their powers, like what does knowledge of yin and yang mean?? like they know about diametrical opposites?? that cant exist without each other...like life and death :0
itd be so cool if they were the only immortal supernatural animal creature that came disguised long term as a human and understands both human and monke/demon/supernatural affairs
This is such a cool idea, and I really hope in season 5 we get more on the other two spiritual primates! My only issue with the theory is that if there were originally 4 spiritual primates, why would the originator be individually sun wukong? Idk I feel like it puts too much importance and focus on sun wukong when they're all supposed to be equal. And while I do believe in the macaque being from/part of sun wukong, maybe the other two could be correlated with each other and not specifically sun wukong? Also the idea of mk being like a subcategory of the original stone monkey celestial primate is really cool lol, and it'd be awesome if he did have to face someone with the same origins as him, and them being like arch nemeses, ooh plus if he's forced to kill them at the end which would directly parallel swk and macaque, though considering the show and mk it's more likely for a redemption, but honestly they've done that too much and mk fighting with how strong his powers are and just being sent off the deep end would be awesome. Especially if they would technically be considered siblings this is such a fun idea actually
We definitely need stone monkey siblings with MK and the other (possible) one!
Ooo it would be awesome for this show to flesh the others out ❤
Oh boy there could be three other mystic primates running around i hope if they are out there somewhere they make an appearance in lmk season five or in future seasons and if the other stone creation is out there it isnt running around causing chaos and i think that the other three besides Mk Sunwukong Macaque are out there some where
I'm happy you did a video on this!
I find it very interesting to figure out and look into the four different spiritual primates. The only issue is that the theory of Macaque being a negative manifestation of Wukong's mind is only a suggestion, not a fact. Same way others assume he is the sworn brother when that's only a suggestion, not a fact. Even in your own research you sited it's stated as a suggestion not a fact which makes things very difficult to figure out as the book is an allegory made for interpretation.
If we are truly talking about the straight hard facts about the four spiritual primates from JTTW, they are four that exist outside the categories of life and death, we are given their names, their abilities, and that's it. No, genuinely that's all we know about them. It doesn't help that Macaque only shows up once in the book and gets killed off almost immediately.
This is where popular theories come in and that's one of them, which in my opinion it doesn't make much sense as the Buddha gave Macaque is own thing despite him being a clone/manifestation, if he was a clone/manifestation he wouldn't have these unique traits or attributes either, and let alone a creation that Wukong doesn't even know about. It's a popular theory that just doesn't make any sense to me.
The struggle between the two is a literal fight meant to give a lesson in fighting against someone who could've been you if you didn't change your ways, and it was taken both too literally and metaphorically which led to the theory.
Which ends up leaving us to another dead end, but this also leaves a lot of room for the show's interpretation of the other two primates, giving them A LOT of room to do very unique things! :D
Love the video! I always enjoy watching your theories! ^^
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy my videos!
And, personally, I do think the Six Eared Macaque is pretty clearly communicated to be made from Sun Wukong's mind in Journey to the West. I did make a video on this topic, but I'm planning to remake that video since I missed some stuff and I'd like to reframe it a bit.
I will say that there is certainly a lot more evidence for the Six Eared Macaque coming from Sun Wukong's mind than there is for him being Sun Wukong's sworn brother.
The Macaque Spirit King (Sun Wukong's sworn brother who some theorise is the same as the Six Eared Macaque) only has two lines where his is mentioned, but the Six Eared Macaque features heavily in Chapter 57, and the whole of Chapter 58 is dedicated to him. The Six Eared Macaque is also foreshadowed in Chapter 1 when Sun Wukong says to his master, "there are no six ears here".
I'm also of the opinion that the Buddha was simply lying about those unique attributes of the Six Eared Macaque (or it could have been a metaphor) due to his previous portrayals and the portrayal of Buddhism throughout the text. But, I'll have to look into that a bit more lol.
@@RVSketch Exactly my point as it's only a theory not an actual fact, you can believe it there is nothing wrong with that but with it having such extremely vague evidence in a book that is made to have different interpretations and understandings as it's all an allegory, along with it never actually being stated, there is no true right or wrong answer. It's all made for interpretation, especially when it highly depends on which version you are reading and getting translations from.
In a movie or series or other piece of media it's a lot different, but with this special case there is no right answer. They can be seen as old friends, sworn brothers, lovers, purely enemies or a manifestation of the mind and none of them would be wrong or right, it's just what you interpreted from an allegory story
That's why I've seen others express that they aren't fans of people treating and talking about these things as if they are facts, because in the end it's all up to interpretation and how you view it
For me I simply see Macaque as that one time cartoony villain in a show that shows up once in order to reveal something big for convienence that ends up getting defeated that episode and then never appears again LOL
@@lunerstudios239 well regardless, I hope the Monkie Kid writers do actually reveal Macaque's backstory instead of just leaving it vague lol. I mean, we still don't know why Sun Wukong killed Macaque 👀
But it is rather funny how the Six Eared Macaque was killed in Journey to the West and never spoken of again 😅
cool video! The lore is so fascinating... but I can't help but laugh every time I hear "red buttocked baboon"
Thanks! And yeah, the name is pretty funny 😅
I do think something important to take into consideration is how much LMK Macaque is from JTTW Macaque given the presumable merging of Demon/Spirit King Macaque and Six-Ear Macaque that LMK has done.
JTTW SEM is also supposed to be an exact duplicate of Wukong down to every last minute detail, though his staff is named differently, to the point that only Buddha could tell the difference between them (their abilities innate to them as Spiritual Primates, with the Six-Ears being a metaphorical title alluding to the sly and sneaking, duplicitous nature of SEM and that falls in line with their stated 'knowledge of all things'). LMK Macaque doesn't follow this. He looks very distinct from Wukong in the same way that Sonic and Shadow are Obviously Distinct (unless you somehow dont know them/are only seeing their silhouette). The 72 transformations are a learnable, teachable ability so any power Wukong learned from his first Master cannot be utilized as proof of LMK Macaque being a clone/clipping of Wukong. And to my knowledge, LMK Macaque does not have Wukong's Eyes of Truth-thats unique to MK regarding inheriting somehow (which is explainable if one considers that MK may have been incubated/born as a result of Wukong's natural chi signature, but id have to research the chinese philosophy and understanding of chi since i am only familiar with the Japanese fictional applications of ki).
I dont think this theory is bad by any means, but i do think you assume too much similarity between source material and adaptational sequel without taking the descrepancies that already exist into account between what happened in LMK's timeline vs the actual novel JTTW.
I actually have mostly taken all that into consideration - I go into it more in my video dedicated to my theory that Macaque is a clone (although I'm planning to make an updated version).
My theory is that they did look the same, but, as Macaque was a hair clone, he made a deal with a demon/engaged in some sort of magic to become permanent, which changed his appearance.
For Sun Wukong's eyes of truth - he got those when he was in the furnace, which also caused his eyes to become golden. Which is also stated in the S2 special. However, in LMK, Macaque's eyes are also golden and are identical to Sun Wukong's. Which indicates that Macaque does have Sun Wukong's eyes of truth but just doesn't use that power much (as how else does he have identical eyes, when Sun Wukong's eyes are supposed to be unique due to his experience in the furnace?)
I should note that, in S1, Sun Wukong and Macaque's eyes are gold with white pupils, but they underwent slight redesigns, and in later seasons they have gold eyew with light gold pupils. For some reason, in the S3 character model and in the season 5 poster, they use the old eye design for Macaque (but the new design for Sun Wukong) but in S3 and the season 5 trailer, Macaque has the new eye design and we can see that his eyes are exactly the same as Sun Wukong's.
Also, @darkbabtong_xd, the Senior Designer & Monkie kid show producer, was recently asked about Sun Wukong and Macaque's relationship, and he said:
"their bond is deeply rooted from the original book."
x.com/darkbabtong_xd/status/1794107482446381077?t=O_dOMno388UfhUGQIHqFFA&s=19
but MK was also sitting in that oven, what if his clone remained there?
Could be! It would be pretty interesting if sentient reflections of anyone reflected in the furnace got trapped in there 👀
I like your theories so much. In which chapter did you read about blood clones? I don't remember that in the novel. And how do you think MK can be four monkeys in one? Well, I mean, when it was created, a piece of each of the spiritual monkeys was added.
Thank you :) And the blood clone part is in Volume 1, Chapter 25. If you are using the Anthony C. Yu translation, the section I showed in my video is on pages 474-475.
And I think it would be really cool if MK was made from a piece of each of the Four Spiritual Primates! In season 1, when MK was being trained by Macaque, he briefly created a shadow energy weapon, but that's one of Macaque's powers. MK being made from all four Spiritual Primates, including Macaque, could explain that!
Finally someone makes monkie kid content
OMFG! I just WISH that I could find more about the movie "King of Havoc: Rise of the great sage" Trying to find ANYTHING about it has been nearly IMPOSSIBLE! There was another trailer here on youtube with a white haired monkey, I'm not sure if it's Sun Wukong or maybe Liu'er Mihou the Six Eared Macaque but It's funny yet kinda depressing and that's ALL I've been able to find besides like two posters. Maybe you could do a short video about the movie? When will it be released??? PLEASE??
I love your monkie kid videos...
Nobody else on TH-cam has the knowledge of journey to the west, and also the interest in lego.
To analyse lmk the way you do!
Thank you! I'm glad you think so! :)
This was an interesting turn of events
This is a really well flushed out theory, I’ll have to watch the other, previous, video.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it :)
your teories is very smoked, but i like
10/10
the other 2 special powerful monkey kangs r just 2 extra divided aspects from the 2 core ones who are also 1.
У меня есть теория что МК как-то связан с китайским календарём.
9:22 в этом моменте можно увидеть животних из календаря : бык, мыш, коза, свинья, кролик, петух(наверно) и тигр (наверно) а что насчёт животного с панцирем - возможно это дракон, ведь в источнике котом я читала говорилось что у драконов тело как у черепах так што возможно это он .
А вот про вторую фигурку обезьяны я не знаю что сказать
you’re giving too many ideas for an au it’s gonna make my brain explode/pos
Glad to help 😅
Congrats on 1k
Thanks! :)
Ok well now I am going to write a fan fic about macaque being like Pinocchio and wanting to become a real boy,but in all seriousness I love watching your videos you come up with some really good theories and bring up some great points.
Thank you - I'm glad you like my theories! :) And yeah, I did think the Pinocchio comparison was funny lol
=) I think it was a good comparison though,it makes sense
Hmm 🤔 this is a wild idea/ suggestion but what if MK ended up being one of them….or rather a unintentional one?😅 given his…creation
My take is that Sun Wukong is using magic to disguise his red eyes, trying to distance himself from the demon he is,
Macaque also uses magic to cover his scars and ears, so it makes sense to me!
Sun Wukong with red eyes would be very cool!
And I think Macaque using magic to cover his ears is just a fan theory at the moment, but it could be true - hopefully they focus more on Macaque in S5.
@@RVSketch you’re probably right about the ears being a fan theory 😅 but gosh do I wish it to be real! At this point, I just automatically assume he’s hiding them because they’re sensitive haha
I can only find Monkey King, Macaque and MK, who’s next then?
In the book, there are Sun Wukong (Monkey King), the Six Eared Macaque, the Red Buttocked Horse Monkey, and the Long Armed Ape Monkey. They are part of a group called the Four Spiritual Primates :)
@@RVSketch never heard of those guys
in the special when Mk turns into that giant monster monkey it looks like 3 tails and in the show there has 3 primates swk, macaque, and Mk so my theory is that each of his tails represents a celestial primate that he’s met and I also think the creature Subodhi isn’t Mk in a way because he says “used to form another, a simple creature with no past and no family” but he also said to Mk “Who or what you are even I don’t know” my theory is kind of like he originally a simple creature but something happened and he’s now this or he was created by accident when the woman tried to make the simple creature but in both of my theories this would explain why he was abandoned at such a young I also think that Mk can never lose his powers matter what I think since we saw him as a human she tried to remove his powers and thought she succeeded but as we seen Mk seem to always get his powers back no more what/who takes it from macaque taking it and the LBD
Oh, I like the idea of someone/MK's creator trying to remove his powers! 👀
@@RVSketch I mean it wouldn’t be far off like when we saw him as a kid he was not a monkey but it seems it’s confirmed that he is a monkey but he’s having trouble controlling it maybe since it’s his creator that tried to remove his powers it has more effect than macaque and the LBD
if those 2 monkeys spawn in season 5 i will have a heartattack yall gonna have to carry me in a coffin
There are four immortals, but aren’t the other two people?
Btw I just started watching this show where can I watch it for free?
Sorry, I'm sure what you mean by "the other two [being] people". Could you clarify?
And this a post I made about where to legally watch Monkie Kid in different countries:
www.reddit.com/r/MonkieKid/s/IO40gWsvCe
If you're in the UK, seasons 1 - 3 are available on ITV for free:
www.itv.com/watch/lego-monkie-kid/10a2228
Note: on ITV, the pilot (which comes before season 1) and the season 2 special (which comes before season 2) are listed separately in the "other episodes" section.
@@RVSketchokay I watched it now, aren’t Chang’e and Nezha the other two
@@goldenninja218 Nope. Chang'e and Nezha are Celestial beings/deities, but they are not part of the Four Celestial/Spiritual Primates.
The Four Celestial Primates are a very specific group (and there's not much information on them), and the other two are the Long Armed Ape Monkey and the Red Buttocked Horse Monkey.
@@RVSketchoh okay but they still are immortal right?
@@goldenninja218 yeah, I think they'd be immortal. But there are different types of immortality - so Sun Wukong would be way more immortal than them because he gained pretty much every type of immortality.
So, Nezha and Chang'e probably can live forever, but someone might be able to kill them. However, Sun Wukong is basically unkillable - at least in the original book.
Why did,n I see this sooner
2 other primate is a
Baboon
And a gibbon
And no they dont have to do anything with sun wukong
They are their own entity
Red horse baboon achive nirvana before wukong
And long arm gibbon is the strongest out of all 4 primate
Well, these are theories for Monkie Kid, not Journey to the West.
As Monkie Kid is an adaptation/reimagining, the Monkie Kid writers could do pretty much whatever they want with the other two Spiritual Primates and make some changes.
The writers have already made other changes in Monkie Kid, like making the Three Demons of Lion Camel Ridge to be Sun Wukong's sworn brothers.
Well Monkey king, Maqacue, and Mk are the first three whoses the 4th
Well, I don't think MK is one of the four. It wouldn't make sense, since the Buddha talked about the Four Spiritual Primates at the end of Journey to the West, hundreds of years before MK existed.
And one of the Four Spiritual Primates is the Stone Monkey, who is Sun Wukong. MK is also a Stone Monkey, so he can't be one of the other two Spiritual Primates, because the other two are not in the Stone Monkey category, but MK is.
Mk could be the reincarnation of one of them. I know what most of you are thinking. “How’s that possible when there immortal”
@@redx7476 well, Macaque died, so I wouldn't say the Four Spiritual Primates are necessarily immortal lol - and immortal doesn't always mean unkillable. Sun Wukong is very immortal, but he didn't start like that - he's only immortal because he cultivated himself and ate and did a bunch of different things that made him immortal enough that he is effectively unkillable. But that's not normal.
But like, is season 5 confirmed? Like are they currently creating it?
Yes, it's confirmed.
According to Monkie Kid News (unofficial account), there was an "official season 5 announcement from a reputable source" at the China International Import Expo:
twitter.com/MonkieKidNews/status/1727001872337457542?s=20
And the voice actor of Sun Wukong (Sean Schemmel) confirmed, at the Fanboy Expo 2023, that they were finishing up recording for season 5. You can watch the video where he says that here:
twitter.com/MonkieKidNews/status/1691166742330908672
They may even be finished creating season 5 by now, if the release dates of previous seasons are anything to go by.
@@RVSketch loved your theory btw AND HOW QUICK YOU WERE REPLYING LIKE OMG tysm for the info! I’m so excited, I can’t wait to see everything AHDHD :D
Does anyone know if it’s possible for this show to come to Netflix I’ve been meaning to give it a watch, but I’m don’t really want a Amazon prime subscription.
I heard that the creator wanted it to be on netflix but Amazon got to them first. Not sure if it will still go to netflix but I hope that helped!
Season 3 and 4 are on Lego's app, if that helps. Haven't been able to find seasons 1 and 2 (legally).
👀
:DDDD
you forgot about the new lego set
it had a character that will be in season 5
I didn't forget - I just didn't think it was relevant for this video 😅 But I'll probably make another video discussing the new set.