Hop up mUst be flat or litle cavedand prelonged.. RoundHop up will push BBS Left 1 rightLogicRound bb hiting one side of round Hop iner bud. Even maple leaf with wrong barel cant be tight bore but up presure .. Poseidon Barel, Maple leaf, And maple leaf bucking, buy Acuracy colured bucking of maple.. if you dont have right barel ProWIn hop up. or short barel.. But Flat nub OR S Only Do S if you are skiled. Way to Consumig and must be like factory fited. BUy Promy barel or orga for beginers.. Promy purple.. GG grean or mad bull blue.. Promy is most sticky and soft..if short Barel hop up window Take promy hop up. and promy flat nub. And you will shot like sniper. I SuGEST THAT COMBO. UMBERELA UMBORY USES THIS SETING With 400 fps or 450.. with blu mad bull. Insane range and prowin.. PRomy barel And S hop made 150 factory S hop
I agree. This is the sort of information the manufacturers seem to just expect us to know without actually telling us. Thus, this video is sorely needed by most.
This video helped so much, I didn’t understand how hop up system worked all I knew was that the bucking hits the B.B. and gives it spin. Now I know everything I need
here here on ML buckings!! I was told about these and stuck one (Macaron) in my L96 with the Omega nub and voila the inherent issue with L96 rifles shooting left went away, my fps increased and accuracy improved by 45%., i now recommend these to everyone having accuracy issues. Ive also installed these echo 1 psr's(autobots) with the AA hopup chamber and solved issues with accuracy and range. They, however, WILL NOT work in anything with a prowin hopup without modification. The shoulders of the bucking are too stiff and either the bucking or the prowin will have to be modified, else you will have feeding issues. As for the M700, AA just came out with a new hopup chamber for them in 2019 and the Ml's will work with the omega nubs using that chamber. Solved a lot of consistency issues with the M700. Lastly I disagree the 75's work great, the 80;s I also use and they work fine but you will see problems with air seal in a short time.All my guns shoot in excess of 400fps and dictate the use of these 2 buckings. ive never tried anything lower because I havent seen a need.
We are using Maple Leaf Autobot + ML concave nub + ML inner barrels in our WE GBB AKs and SVD, and the results are out of this world. Best precision combo ever. From my personal experience the Deltas are just decent while the Diamonds are awesome, as the latter provides extreme range. I prefer the new Autobot/Decepticon series for the included ABB ring, as it really grips the nozzle, something critical for GBB consistency. Might not be that necessary for bolt action snipers though. As for durability, I've seen no difference between the old and the new, it's just getting the correct hardness. The manufacture's guideline is pretty useful for that.
First of all, fantastic video for beginners who don't fully understand how hop up works. Second, I installed a Maple Leaf Monster 50 (pale green) in my Evo today. I am assuming that it is a new design as the mound is not a simple triangle but more of a kite shape, it didn't come with a nub. I wasn't happy with how it looked using a standard nub. Fortunately I had a H nub (solid not squishy) in my box of bits so installed that, the results are amazing. I am getting around an extra 10 meters range and the accuracy has improved from a 7" grouping at 30 meters to a 4" grouping at 30 meters. I haven't been able to test it's maximum effective range yet as my garden isn't long enough. I will report back after bedding in and proper testing.
I ordered a 75 degree Maple Leaf Diamond monster bucking/hop up tension spring for my KWA VZ61. I think this bucking with a 160mm 6.01mm barrel on .30 bb's will get some distance.
Thanks for the great explanation. It's very helpful to hear what the actual differences are rather than just people saying something is "good" or "bad".
IMHO it is _very_ tricky to get the older PDI hop-up units working just right. I still ended up with a right hook in an upgraded Maruzen Type 96 clone. You almost have to start all over again setting the unit up when you change BB weight. Having two hop adjustment arms _sounds_ great but it's a pain.
btw, the maple leaf arm doesn't have QC issues, it is purposely designed with oversized tabs that *must* be filed down to perfectly suit your chamber, as the VSR chambers tolerances (specially in the many, many clones) are all over the place.
I have had severe feed issues using these with my Cyma/FN/Cybergun P90. Upgrading the hop-up and barrel only made things worse. The bucking just sticks too far into the chamber, and blocks feeding. Really a shame, as they are a great design.
trii ed a maple leaf super macron and it doesnt fit my barrel because those 2 extra bits. this was 60 degree in my cqb gun and i got low fps shots. it also did it on a prometheus purple. when i get the chance ill try a regular macron
PDI-W hold from what I've seen are just as good as a flat hop. VSR-10 that is, I haven't tried the AEG design out because... gross, AEG's. The diamond Maple Leaf looks super promising though, I mostly came here to learn about the concave nub paired with the maple leaf. The faster wearing rubber likely grips better btw. Meaning less grip needed. PDI-W softer buckings grip way better than the harder ones and they do wear out faster.
i tried a maple leaf super macron and it doesnt fit my barrel because those 2 extra bits. this was 60 degree in my cqb gun and i got low fps shots. it also did it on a prometheus purple
I hope you were accurate in this video. I just pulled the trigger (HA!) on an Action Army hop-up, a 75 degree ML bucking and a ML omega concave nub. :-)
I heard that the r hop is better than maple leaf from many people, but it seems like there are very few review about maple leaf vs flat hop. Which one performs better?
Just finished up my R hop plus m nub barrel setup. If you cut a really long m Nub for flat hop it works surprisingly well. I Got a maybe 5 to 10% advantage from R hopping my gun over it( Currently over hopping to about 175 to 185 feet at roughly man sized spread. but part of my hop window is curved on the tight bore I was using making it Nigh impossible to cut a perfect patch. on top of it my patch material was slightly to thick. At this Point I think the stock GnG Hop unit is the only thing holding back the hop. So my current plan is to A buy another tightbore barrel this time with a different hop window, after that a better made hop unit. and after that try out maple leaf bucking settup to contrast and compare, past that its airseal in the guts of my gun witch I really dont like taking apart.
(Edit Sorry For the Spam if you Got alot of Notification... had a weird youtube glitcfh where it posted my comment a million times) Just finished up my R hop plus m nub barrel setup. If you cut a really long m Nub for flat hop it works surprisingly well. I Got a maybe 5 to 10% advantage from R hopping my gun over it( Currently over hopping to about 175 to 185 feet at roughly man sized spread. but part of my hop window is curved on the tight bore I was using making it Nigh impossible to cut a perfect patch. on top of it my patch material was slightly to thick. At this Point I think the stock GnG Hop unit is the only thing holding back the hop. So my current plan is to A buy another tightbore barrel this time with a different hop window, after that a better made hop unit. and after that try out maple leaf bucking settup to contrast and compare, past that its airseal in the guts of my gun witch I really dont like taking apart.
Sorry, a question: I have the original TM L96 Aws an search a alternativ bucking with 70 75 or 80°. But dont find anything. The Maple Leaf 75 dont fit because of the closed barrel window.
Sorry to multipost, I was commenting as I watched the video and read your post at ASF... The AEG buckings are Deltas and therefore not-so-good, but you missed the other option: for AEG use (and that includes the most popular L96s chambers) you can go with Maple Leaf Hybrid buckgins, which are Diamond buckings that fit in AEG chambers together with Maple Leaf GBB inner barrels. Haven't tried that option yet (I'm a GBB guy p) but theoretically it should work great.
That's true, those do work, but they don't align as well in AEG chambers because an AEG-specific chamber is built to lock down the barrel and have the bucking lock over that. A non-AEG barrel can't be locked down in such a chamber as well. This is also why VSRs are yet again better. The barrel is locked down AND the bucking is locked down seperately ;)
Renegade Airsoft yes, in the type 96 you need the AEG version of the maple leaf (along with an aftermarket type 96 chamber, such as the AA chamber, of course)
yea thanks mate ,just put the ml aeg 70degree and nub into my AA chamber and barrel .unforuntently cant test until im on site again =C well thats my l96 repaired after my last AA chamber ate my bucking l
hi sir.. how do you properly adjust the AAC hopup chamber? i dont understand the instruction that came with it.. adjust clockwise to correct high shots.. does it mean if my bbs are goin up and i want it to fly straight.. i need to adjust clockwise? and vise versa?
I have a TIPPMANN M4 V2 AIRSOFT CARBINE (HPA). And i have inconsistent BB's when firing (Go left/right without a pattern). What setup will remedy this? And no i'm not replacing this rifle any time soon :-)
Hi, I know this is an old video, but it was very helpful, thank you! I had a question regarding the hardness of the bucking. You recommend 60°, but I think it could also depend on the power of the rifle. My airsoft field allows 3.5J snipers, so that's what I'm aiming at (no pun intended). Is 60° still gonna perform well and last more than a few shots?
I bought a brand new action Army chamber Action Army Barrel and Maple Leaf Autobot 70 degrees and I'm having bad inconsistency with my groupings with the Hop set to HPA .4's. Any suggestions like breaking in the hop up bucking?
here's a possibly dumb question; so I've been eyeing ML buckings and nubs for a while, but I keep seeing "Maple Leaf MACARON hop up unit" and I don't understand what macaron means, and that qualifier that I don't understand keeps preventing me from making a purchase out of fear I don't understand fully what I'm buying. Could somebody clarify for me? I'm looking to install a maple leaf in my CYMA dragunov, an AEG. Thanks in advance.
Good video! Thank you! - Question: ive byed several maple leaf buckings but everytime ive installed them the nozzle pushes the bb to far and the bb rolls out. What should i think about? i have a mb03 Well
Im having an issue in my WE Scar H GBBR where the BBs are not feeding whilst using a standard WE nub and a maple leaf bucking. Would you say that the nub is probably the issue? Ive changed the hop unit and the nozzle is fine from what i can see Thanks, Ewan
First very informative video ! Question I have a gbb mk18 it’s WA based system and I upgraded my hop up chamber and inner barrel which is vsr no bridge but the hop up unit came with a Tokyo Marui rubber that looks like a maple leaf rubber just dimensions not the patch on the inside but basically it doesn’t have the extra material on the outside it completely smoothe but it’s definitely not an aeg rubber . I have a pdi W hold rubber I want to install but idk if it ok to remove that extra material so it will fit in the chamber . The fact that I have a vsr open window cut barrel I was under the assumption I could use the pdi without any modifications. I’m just curious if it is possible to remove that extra material on the outside so it smooth all the way around like the TM rubber that came with the unit ?? Any help is greatly appreciated
Thank you! this video really helped me a lot to understand how each of the buckings work and what the differences are. I want to switch the whole Hop up chamber of my VSR-10 to a new one which uses AEG barrels and buckings, but im unsure if i need a maple leaf nub for aeg maple leaf buckings, because the hop up unit has 2 seperate arms to adjust the hop up.
dante257 Don't, get the AA chamber. It's much better than the PDI design, AEG barrels and buckings are inferior to VSR ones, both in accuracy and airseal.
Ok thx for the quick reply. My problem is vsr tuning barrels in this length are quiet expensive. I use a vsr 10 clone (Well MB03) and im not sure which barrel length i have to use. My standard barrel is 509mm so do i need exactly the same length? Which barrel do you use and how long is it?
Ok, maybe you can help me once more :'D I installed the AA chamber in my Well MB03 with a vsr-10 barrel and the standard bucking because the company send me the wrong maple leaf buckings :/ I now have the problem that my magazines dont really fit in my rifle anymore. Sometimes i cant get them in and if i can get them in they hang kinda loose :( DId I do something wrong or is it something with the chamber?
I have an AWS platform rifle (the well mb4403), the one with the bb-ramp from the mag to the hopup-chamber. Would i be able to install the AA-chamber on that rifle and then adjust the hop-up without taking the rifle apart? Because I can not reach the hop-chamber from the magwell.
I just got a PDI 6.01 Barrel with the new 10MM diameter that avoids vibration. I was very excited about this hop you talk about until I arrived to the part where I should cut the end of the barrel's hopup window as it is not open. After speding a lot of money on the barrel, I am afraid I could break it. Whay solution would you recommend? Cutting the window as it is not that difficult? Or switching to another kind of hop-up?
Kotobukian 寿庵 I'd file the bridge off, yes. It's really not hard and the maple leaf is well worth it. You can't really mess it up :tup: However, if you ever want to do an R-hop in the future, then I wouldn't do it as it is very hard to R-hop an open barrel window. But honestly the maple leaf is just about as good so I'd just take it off and use the maple leaf :)
Hay I'm buying a pistol cause I use pistols for primary I just prefer it but it gives me a maple leaf option but it goes maple leaf autobot bucking 50degree 60degree 70degree 80degree which one should I get
CJ R. A 50 or 60 degree autobot works well in pistols. The autobot is better in gbb guns compared to the diamond because of the anti blow ring, so when it comes to anything gbb, the autobot is the best :)
really helpful video!, i just wonder, i'm using AEG DMR (long range AEG) 455 mm length and 6.02 pdi raven inner barrel. and currently my fps using 0.30 gram bb is 470fps. So, my question is, which one is better? mapple leaf monster 70 degree or prometheus purple bucking or even PDI w hold?? which one is better? i really hope that you will answer my question thank you! greetings from Indonesia!
Sorry for the late answer. But yes, basically the ML (AEG version) will be the best option, but I'd use 60 degrees instead. The W hold or any other bucking will also lift .3's at that fps but the maple leaf will be more consistent and accurate ;)
How can I be sure about am I inserted nub correctly in to the aa hop chamber? Can you make a video installation and also checking alligment correction ?
As long as it goes down the slot it is inserted correctly. I don't think you can really mess it up. The nub is as wide as the nub window so as long as it's inside the slot it is good. Alignment is the bucking itself. It should sit straight in the chamber. It's pretty hard to mess up with the VSR buckings because they have an alignment ridge but it's possible and could cause a slight left or right hook if it isn't properly aligned.
As long as it goes down the slot it is inserted correctly. I don't think you can really mess it up. The nub is as wide as the nub window so as long as it's inside the slot it is good. Alignment is the bucking itself. It should sit straight in the chamber. It's pretty hard to mess up with the VSR buckings because they have an alignment ridge but it's possible and could cause a slight left or right hook if it isn't properly aligned.
So I have an Action Army Hop Chamber and the maple leaf bucking is about 1mm shorter and with it fitted is terrible so went back to the original VSR bucking and it's fine. I read somewhere that you have to put tape around the inner barrel where the AA chamber collar goes to push the bucking further in, did you have to do this ?
17lasbrisas yes, that's one of the flaws of the ML, they're indeed about 1 mm shorter so if you don't use teflon tape your airseal will be horrible. Wrap it in teflon tape a few times and then reinstall it, when you insert the spacer this will squish the teflon tape between the spacer and the bucking, which results in the bucking being pushed backwards, which results in 100% airseal. Try it, you'll love it :)
Reliku (Now Relizu...) I use a VSR 10 and a AA Chamber w/ a 70degree autobot bucking (550fps) and a concave nub, however I still get shots curving to the right and left. I use a PDI cold steel barrel, however since I cut the bridge off, if the window is not perfectly straight and parallel could that cause issues as to curving?
Would you recommend a Pdi 6.05 303mm inner barrel, or the AA g-spec 300MM inner barel? i've heard of issues where the piston doesnt reach far enough into the hole of the AA hop up unit.
I'd go for longer (such as 430 mm). I'd recommend none of those, actually. Recently I tried a maple leaf crazy jet and it is definitely better than both the AA and the PDI if you ask me. Look into those ;)
Not really. Range has nothing to do with your barrel choice, and while effective range (accuracy) does depend on your barrel quality, it does not depend on bore size generally. Assuming you're using perfect ammo. If you're not using perfect ammo, wider bores will help your accuracy due to the air cushion effect, but at a cost of efficiency (more air is lost). But using quasi-perfect ceramic bb's, people have achieved some of the longest shots with 5.98mm super-tightbores, and all the other records were shot with 6.03 or similar bores. Something to keep in mind. Under normal circumstances, 6.01 will work just fine ;)
I am thinking about buying an edgi tightbore 6.01mm for my jg bar 10. However it has a crown lip rather than the one shaped in your tutorial. I am also going to buy an action army hop up chamber.... do you think the maple leaf bucking and nub will fit on on the barrel with action army chamber
Zeer interessante video. Ik ben zelf een VSR aan het opbouwen en ik vroeg mij af waar je een maple leaf nub kan vinden in Nederland? Ik kom zelf uit België, maar hier vind ik er niet direct eentje.
Wow... such a big potential in this video with the detailed information and all the drawings, but made impossible to listen to, due to this constant lip smacking..... I don't think I've ever been annoyed by something in a video, but this is completely unbearable to listen.
What maple leaf bucking will fit an m4 style hop up? I am buying a Krytac LVOA-c and have no idea what bucking I should get for it. I would like to mod it over to a dmr. (Maple Leaf AST Airsoft AEG Hopup Rubber Bucking - 80°) would this be good for my build?
I have 60° diamond buckings in 2 of my gbb pistols both with maple leaf I-keys and they perform absolutely amazing. Tried the autobot and decepticon and didn't care for them so I'm sticking with the monster buckings
I just bought a maple leaf monster 75 degree bucking for my WE M16. Do I need an exclusively maple leaf nub for it to work properly or will it be fine.
Amaethon for the gbbr's it's the same story, you'll need the ML nub. In your case the autobot will work better by the way, the anti-blow ring helps grabbing a gbbr nozzle which will improvr your fps consistency, so if the monster wears out, you might wanna consider switching :)
I have the aac21(tac21) version of the m700 made by action army. I have installed a vsr orga magnus barrel and now am getting a diamond bucking for it(have now installed a king arms bucking as I had it laying about but this is antiquated tech by now...). But this version of the m700 comes with a cylinder shaped nub instead of a concave nub. What shoud I order for a nub now? Standard m700 nub? I don't feel like making my own nub as it will never be perfect... Thanks for your help/info!
S13mASSImo try a chunk of pencil eraser. it's easier than it may sound. just cut a square piece that fits into your hopup window and it will do the trick :)
Thanks, but I feel that I would have to file it into a concave shape right? My aac21 has the tdc style screw that puts pressure straight on the nub from the top, and I'm afraid that if I use a straight piece of eraser, I will be creating a opposite convex shape instead of a concave one. Would it not be better to have a hard nub? Thanks for the quick answer man!
Thanks a bunch man. I have read many of your posts on airsoftsniperforum with great interest and you do a lot for the airsoft sniping community! Groeten uit België!
Is it possible to use these new maple leaf buckings (deception/autobot) with standard VSR barrel with that "bridge" at the end or is it the same design as the old Monster bucking that can be used only with no bridge barrels?
ehh thats bad news... Would you suggest to remove somehow that bridge from PDI barrel for vsr (using sandpaper?? Is maple leaf worth it?) or just leave Maple leaf and find some other solution?
Hey I'm debating on action army Hop chamber or maple leaf chamber I already have the maple leaf hop arm with a 70° bucking and I have ordered a 6.03 AA inner-barrel what would you suggest is better ?!
Hallo RelizuU zegt op het laatst dat de diamond buckings niet voor de aeg barrel word gemaakt. Nu ben ik al een tijd aan het upgraden met mijn type 96 en heel mijn setup is van action army. Ik zit nu met het conflict flat hop gebruikt en schiet bagger. Nu zie ik dat ze op skirmshop toch voor de aeg de diamond buckings maken, of zijn dit toch de delta's? En wat voor bb's met barrel wide gebruikt u? Verderest zijn je filmpjes echt top ga zo door man.Groetjes
xX3xCfa De AEG buckings die skirmshop aanbiedt zijn inderdaad delta-type buckings (net als alle AEG buckings, helaas). Dus ze zijn net iets minder goed dan de VSR diamond versie. Maar nog steeds best wel heel erg goed! Vergeet alleen niet de ML concave nub erbij te gebruiken ;) Je flat hop zou het ook goed moeten doen, maar het kan zijn dat er iets fout gegaan is bij de installatie ervan, hetgeen tot slechte prestaties kan lijden. Ook hebben je bb's veel invloed, zorg dat je goede kwaliteit bb's gebruikt (zoals geoffs). Maargoed, de AEG ML's bij skirmshop zijn prima te gebruiken i.c.m. een concave nub. Goede buckings :)
xX3xCfa De VSR is inderdaad wat beter omdat de parts beter geschikt zijn... Maar... met een beetje liefde kan een type 96 net zo goed schieten, je moet gewoon wat meer tijd steken in het finetunen van de hopup ;) En.... Misschien dat er in de toekomst een zekere custom shop een type 96 chamber gaat maken die VSR barrels en buckings accepteert... hint hint ;)
dat boi yes evike simply copies maple leaf's chart. Which is wrong for 90% of the western world. That chart is for tropical climates where it's much hotter (Asia), hotter weather => harder bucking. For 400 fps, I would use 50 degrees (softest they offer) where I live (western europe). If you live somewhere warmer you could go for 60 degrees with 400 fps, or maybe even 70 if you live in the southern part of the US for example. But usually, 75 degrees is waaaay too hard for 400 fps. For reference: here we play at 500 fps (measured with .2), and I play with .4 bb's at roughly 2.5 J myself. In the summer I play with a 60 degree bucking, in the winter I swap it out for a 50 degree one ;)
Relizu very interesting. I do live in texas and the summers are really hot here. I have it taken out right now and will wait until it is hotter outside to try it again. Either way i am doing the spring as mine has had several thousand rounds put on it and i need the extra power for outdoors. You know a lot about hop up buckings. I actually didnt have the right nub previously and that was part of the problem. I just needed to watch the video more, and also not listen to evike.
Longyat Chan I did mention these but I do not recommend them: -The nub is softer than a metal arm and yields better consistency -The arms suffer from quality control issues (not fitting, being off-center, stuff like that) An AA chamber is easier and has other benefits as well (such as airseal and TDC style hopup).
Hey Relizu/Reliku ;p In the AA hop up chamber, do you need to mill out the window the nub goes through? It seems the nub is too wide for the small window the nub needs to go through.. a prometheus tensioner also didnt fit. And the original VSR10 nub just barely fits. The ML concave nub seems to be much wider then the original nub. Is the window of my AA chamber not as wide as yours or something?
Arjen Huijtker The ML concave nub is a perfect fit for the AA chamber. If it doesn't fit, you may have a lemon nub or chamber. But you don't need to mill anything or do any modifying at all.
HI, i have the silverback srs, and i wanted to upgrade the bucking and I have used maple leaf diamond for my vsr before, but not the maple leaf aeg buckings. Would 60 degree maple leaf aeg bucking be good to use. I have an aps m160 spring installed and thats around 520 fps. Also, do I need the concave maple leaf nub for the maple leaf aeg bucking to work, or will the standard silverback nub work?
oh yeah I understand that, there is actually a mod for the srs called the fast hop that fixes that problem. Its a dile that you turn to either move the hop arm up or down so its not come from 2 sides anymore, just the top, so i think the maple leaf nub could work. Thanks for the help! :)
I think this is the best video of explaining hopup buckings I´ve ever seen. Congratulations
Yea maples are cool and all but their loose as hell , bbs just roll right on though .
Hop up mUst be flat or litle cavedand prelonged.. RoundHop up will push BBS Left 1 rightLogicRound bb hiting one side of round Hop iner bud. Even maple leaf with wrong barel cant be tight bore but up presure .. Poseidon Barel, Maple leaf, And maple leaf bucking, buy Acuracy colured bucking of maple.. if you dont have right barel ProWIn
hop up. or short barel.. But Flat nub OR S Only Do S if you are skiled. Way to Consumig and must be like factory fited. BUy Promy barel or orga for beginers.. Promy purple.. GG grean or mad bull blue.. Promy is most sticky and soft..if short Barel hop up window Take promy hop up. and promy flat nub. And you will shot like sniper. I SuGEST THAT COMBO. UMBERELA UMBORY USES THIS SETING
With 400 fps or 450.. with blu mad bull. Insane range and prowin.. PRomy barel And S hop made 150 factory S hop
I agree. This is the sort of information the manufacturers seem to just expect us to know without actually telling us. Thus, this video is sorely needed by most.
Nice informative video. But that smacking of lips made me not wanna watch another of you videos, I'm sorry
This video helped so much, I didn’t understand how hop up system worked all I knew was that the bucking hits the B.B. and gives it spin. Now I know everything I need
here here on ML buckings!! I was told about these and stuck one (Macaron) in my L96 with the Omega nub and voila the inherent issue with L96 rifles shooting left went away, my fps increased and accuracy improved by 45%., i now recommend these to everyone having accuracy issues. Ive also installed these echo 1 psr's(autobots) with the AA hopup chamber and solved issues with accuracy and range. They, however, WILL NOT work in anything with a prowin hopup without modification. The shoulders of the bucking are too stiff and either the bucking or the prowin will have to be modified, else you will have feeding issues. As for the M700, AA just came out with a new hopup chamber for them in 2019 and the Ml's will work with the omega nubs using that chamber. Solved a lot of consistency issues with the M700.
Lastly I disagree the 75's work great, the 80;s I also use and they work fine but you will see problems with air seal in a short time.All my guns shoot in excess of 400fps and dictate the use of these 2 buckings. ive never tried anything lower because I havent seen a need.
We are using Maple Leaf Autobot + ML concave nub + ML inner barrels in our WE GBB AKs and SVD, and the results are out of this world. Best precision combo ever.
From my personal experience the Deltas are just decent while the Diamonds are awesome, as the latter provides extreme range.
I prefer the new Autobot/Decepticon series for the included ABB ring, as it really grips the nozzle, something critical for GBB consistency. Might not be that necessary for bolt action snipers though. As for durability, I've seen no difference between the old and the new, it's just getting the correct hardness. The manufacture's guideline is pretty useful for that.
First of all, fantastic video for beginners who don't fully understand how hop up works. Second, I installed a Maple Leaf Monster 50 (pale green) in my Evo today. I am assuming that it is a new design as the mound is not a simple triangle but more of a kite shape, it didn't come with a nub. I wasn't happy with how it looked using a standard nub. Fortunately I had a H nub (solid not squishy) in my box of bits so installed that, the results are amazing. I am getting around an extra 10 meters range and the accuracy has improved from a 7" grouping at 30 meters to a 4" grouping at 30 meters. I haven't been able to test it's maximum effective range yet as my garden isn't long enough. I will report back after bedding in and proper testing.
I ordered a 75 degree Maple Leaf Diamond monster bucking/hop up tension spring for my KWA VZ61. I think this bucking with a 160mm 6.01mm barrel on .30 bb's will get some distance.
Thanks for the great explanation. It's very helpful to hear what the actual differences are rather than just people saying something is "good" or "bad".
with this kind of high quality content, why don't you have more subscribers :S
It would be great to have an video comparison (distances for example). Maple Leaf vs I dont know Modify tan ?
what is the recommended length of hop window? does longer window and longer flat/r/s hop contact provides better accuracy and range?
A friend of mine just did this to his VFC HK417 GBBR and got insane performance.
Great video! This will help beginners learn how hop up works.
IMHO it is _very_ tricky to get the older PDI hop-up units working just right. I still ended up with a right hook in an upgraded Maruzen Type 96 clone. You almost have to start all over again setting the unit up when you change BB weight. Having two hop adjustment arms _sounds_ great but it's a pain.
btw, the maple leaf arm doesn't have QC issues, it is purposely designed with oversized tabs that *must* be filed down to perfectly suit your chamber, as the VSR chambers tolerances (specially in the many, many clones) are all over the place.
I've seen some that were entirely off-center while others weren't, which definitely qualifies as QC issues in my book! :P
I have had severe feed issues using these with my Cyma/FN/Cybergun P90. Upgrading the hop-up and barrel only made things worse. The bucking just sticks too far into the chamber, and blocks feeding. Really a shame, as they are a great design.
trii ed a maple leaf super macron and it doesnt fit my barrel because those 2 extra bits. this was 60 degree in my cqb gun and i got low fps shots. it also did it on a prometheus purple. when i get the chance ill try a regular macron
PDI-W hold from what I've seen are just as good as a flat hop. VSR-10 that is, I haven't tried the AEG design out because... gross, AEG's. The diamond Maple Leaf looks super promising though, I mostly came here to learn about the concave nub paired with the maple leaf.
The faster wearing rubber likely grips better btw. Meaning less grip needed. PDI-W softer buckings grip way better than the harder ones and they do wear out faster.
Good video very informative I learn a lot about hop up please do more videos about airsoft parts and how it works
Thanks for the video I've seen you on the sniper forums a ton and you're always very through with your explanations it's awesome.
i tried a maple leaf super macron and it doesnt fit my barrel because those 2 extra bits. this was 60 degree in my cqb gun and i got low fps shots. it also did it on a prometheus purple
I hope you were accurate in this video. I just pulled the trigger (HA!) on an Action Army hop-up, a 75 degree ML bucking and a ML omega concave nub. :-)
I heard that the r hop is better than maple leaf from many people, but it seems like there are very few review about maple leaf vs flat hop. Which one performs better?
This is my exact setup! Always great results and a must for anyone that wants consistent shots :) Great vid
Just finished up my R hop plus m nub barrel setup. If you cut a really long m Nub for flat hop it works surprisingly well. I Got a maybe 5 to 10% advantage from R hopping my gun over it( Currently over hopping to about 175 to 185 feet at roughly man sized spread. but part of my hop window is curved on the tight bore I was using making it Nigh impossible to cut a perfect patch. on top of it my patch material was slightly to thick. At this Point I think the stock GnG Hop unit is the only thing holding back the hop. So my current plan is to A buy another tightbore barrel this time with a different hop window, after that a better made hop unit. and after that try out maple leaf bucking settup to contrast and compare, past that its airseal in the guts of my gun witch I really dont like taking apart.
(Edit Sorry For the Spam if you Got alot of Notification... had a weird youtube glitcfh where it posted my comment a million times) Just finished up my R hop plus m nub barrel setup. If you cut a really long m Nub for flat hop it works surprisingly well. I Got a maybe 5 to 10% advantage from R hopping my gun over it( Currently over hopping to about 175 to 185 feet at roughly man sized spread. but part of my hop window is curved on the tight bore I was using making it Nigh impossible to cut a perfect patch. on top of it my patch material was slightly to thick. At this Point I think the stock GnG Hop unit is the only thing holding back the hop. So my current plan is to A buy another tightbore barrel this time with a different hop window, after that a better made hop unit. and after that try out maple leaf bucking settup to contrast and compare, past that its airseal in the guts of my gun witch I really dont like taking apart.
Prommy barrels have pre made rhop patches. Saves the struggle
Sorry, a question: I have the original TM L96 Aws an search a alternativ bucking with 70 75 or 80°.
But dont find anything. The Maple Leaf 75 dont fit because of the closed barrel window.
Great video really love the explanation
Sorry to multipost, I was commenting as I watched the video and read your post at ASF...
The AEG buckings are Deltas and therefore not-so-good, but you missed the other option: for AEG use (and that includes the most popular L96s chambers) you can go with Maple Leaf Hybrid buckgins, which are Diamond buckings that fit in AEG chambers together with Maple Leaf GBB inner barrels. Haven't tried that option yet (I'm a GBB guy p) but theoretically it should work great.
That's true, those do work, but they don't align as well in AEG chambers because an AEG-specific chamber is built to lock down the barrel and have the bucking lock over that. A non-AEG barrel can't be locked down in such a chamber as well.
This is also why VSRs are yet again better. The barrel is locked down AND the bucking is locked down seperately ;)
Great explanation of buckings.
Nice all in one take dude
maple leaf ... best hop up buckings what i used ..
Renegade Airsoft yes, in the type 96 you need the AEG version of the maple leaf (along with an aftermarket type 96 chamber, such as the AA chamber, of course)
yea thanks mate ,just put the ml aeg 70degree and nub into my AA chamber and barrel .unforuntently cant test until im on site again =C well thats my l96 repaired after my last AA chamber ate my bucking l
Which type of bucking will you recomend for better accuracy for gbb pistol (WE P226)...thank u
maple's buckings are good but they froze easily in cold weather.. -1C is too much for those
hi sir.. how do you properly adjust the AAC hopup chamber? i dont understand the instruction that came with it.. adjust clockwise to correct high shots.. does it mean if my bbs are goin up and i want it to fly straight.. i need to adjust clockwise? and vise versa?
I have a TIPPMANN M4 V2 AIRSOFT CARBINE (HPA). And i have inconsistent BB's when firing (Go left/right without a pattern). What setup will remedy this? And no i'm not replacing this rifle any time soon :-)
Hi, I know this is an old video, but it was very helpful, thank you! I had a question regarding the hardness of the bucking. You recommend 60°, but I think it could also depend on the power of the rifle. My airsoft field allows 3.5J snipers, so that's what I'm aiming at (no pun intended). Is 60° still gonna perform well and last more than a few shots?
Dos It work on Ares ?
There's a brand name JJairsoft is it the same as AA?
best explonation ever!tagged a few friends on facebook,so they can see and subsctibe.keep the good vids comming bro,and thanks!
Where can I buy this hop up chamber.
I bought a brand new action Army chamber Action Army Barrel and Maple Leaf Autobot 70 degrees and I'm having bad inconsistency with my groupings with the Hop set to HPA .4's. Any suggestions like breaking in the hop up bucking?
here's a possibly dumb question; so I've been eyeing ML buckings and nubs for a while, but I keep seeing "Maple Leaf MACARON hop up unit" and I don't understand what macaron means, and that qualifier that I don't understand keeps preventing me from making a purchase out of fear I don't understand fully what I'm buying. Could somebody clarify for me? I'm looking to install a maple leaf in my CYMA dragunov, an AEG. Thanks in advance.
Good video! Thank you! - Question: ive byed several maple leaf buckings but everytime ive installed them the nozzle pushes the bb to far and the bb rolls out. What should i think about? i have a mb03 Well
Im having an issue in my WE Scar H GBBR where the BBs are not feeding whilst using a standard WE nub and a maple leaf bucking. Would you say that the nub is probably the issue?
Ive changed the hop unit and the nozzle is fine from what i can see
Thanks,
Ewan
First very informative video ! Question I have a gbb mk18 it’s WA based system and I upgraded my hop up chamber and inner barrel which is vsr no bridge but the hop up unit came with a Tokyo Marui rubber that looks like a maple leaf rubber just dimensions not the patch on the inside but basically it doesn’t have the extra material on the outside it completely smoothe but it’s definitely not an aeg rubber . I have a pdi W hold rubber I want to install but idk if it ok to remove that extra material so it will fit in the chamber . The fact that I have a vsr open window cut barrel I was under the assumption I could use the pdi without any modifications. I’m just curious if it is possible to remove that extra material on the outside so it smooth all the way around like the TM rubber that came with the unit ?? Any help is greatly appreciated
Relizu, what hardness would you recommend for the new 2021 Decepticon? Firing 2.4J with 0.48. Thanks
Good video man, thanks for explaining that !! very clear.
Hi, please can u help me i install the Diamond one with the nub but now i got to much hopup :/ i can cut the nub Maybe i dont know what to do
You didn't click your tongue enough
Thank you! this video really helped me a lot to understand how each of the buckings work and what the differences are. I want to switch the whole Hop up chamber of my VSR-10 to a new one which uses AEG barrels and buckings, but im unsure if i need a maple leaf nub for aeg maple leaf buckings, because the hop up unit has 2 seperate arms to adjust the hop up.
dante257 Don't, get the AA chamber. It's much better than the PDI design, AEG barrels and buckings are inferior to VSR ones, both in accuracy and airseal.
Ok thx for the quick reply. My problem is vsr tuning barrels in this length are quiet expensive. I use a vsr 10 clone (Well MB03) and im not sure which barrel length i have to use. My standard barrel is 509mm so do i need exactly the same length? Which barrel do you use and how long is it?
dante257 Just use a 430 and drill out the end cap. 509 mm is too long for .4+ bb's anyway
Ok i ordered the AA chamber now. Really appreciate your help :)
Ok, maybe you can help me once more :'D I installed the AA chamber in my Well MB03 with a vsr-10 barrel and the standard bucking because the company send me the wrong maple leaf buckings :/ I now have the problem that my magazines dont really fit in my rifle anymore. Sometimes i cant get them in and if i can get them in they hang kinda loose :( DId I do something wrong or is it something with the chamber?
I have an AWS platform rifle (the well mb4403), the one with the bb-ramp from the mag to the hopup-chamber. Would i be able to install the AA-chamber on that rifle and then adjust the hop-up without taking the rifle apart? Because I can not reach the hop-chamber from the magwell.
Antherias That's an L96 AWS, so ML VSR bucking, ML nub and open barrel window will work.
I just got a PDI 6.01 Barrel with the new 10MM diameter that avoids vibration. I was very excited about this hop you talk about until I arrived to the part where I should cut the end of the barrel's hopup window as it is not open. After speding a lot of money on the barrel, I am afraid I could break it.
Whay solution would you recommend? Cutting the window as it is not that difficult? Or switching to another kind of hop-up?
Kotobukian 寿庵 I'd file the bridge off, yes. It's really not hard and the maple leaf is well worth it. You can't really mess it up :tup:
However, if you ever want to do an R-hop in the future, then I wouldn't do it as it is very hard to R-hop an open barrel window. But honestly the maple leaf is just about as good so I'd just take it off and use the maple leaf :)
Hay I'm buying a pistol cause I use pistols for primary I just prefer it but it gives me a maple leaf option but it goes maple leaf autobot bucking 50degree 60degree 70degree 80degree which one should I get
CJ R. A 50 or 60 degree autobot works well in pistols. The autobot is better in gbb guns compared to the diamond because of the anti blow ring, so when it comes to anything gbb, the autobot is the best :)
Have you made a video about the new Super Macaron and Wonder bucking?
Nope
I can use a maple leaf in a standard tm vsr-10 hop up with a type a dangererx right?
really helpful video!, i just wonder, i'm using AEG DMR (long range AEG) 455 mm length and 6.02 pdi raven inner barrel. and currently my fps using 0.30 gram bb is 470fps. So, my question is, which one is better? mapple leaf monster 70 degree or prometheus purple bucking or even PDI w hold?? which one is better? i really hope that you will answer my question thank you! greetings from Indonesia!
Sorry for the late answer. But yes, basically the ML (AEG version) will be the best option, but I'd use 60 degrees instead. The W hold or any other bucking will also lift .3's at that fps but the maple leaf will be more consistent and accurate ;)
How can I be sure about am I inserted nub correctly in to the aa hop chamber? Can you make a video installation and also checking alligment correction ?
As long as it goes down the slot it is inserted correctly. I don't think you can really mess it up. The nub is as wide as the nub window so as long as it's inside the slot it is good.
Alignment is the bucking itself. It should sit straight in the chamber. It's pretty hard to mess up with the VSR buckings because they have an alignment ridge but it's possible and could cause a slight left or right hook if it isn't properly aligned.
As long as it goes down the slot it is inserted correctly. I don't think you can really mess it up. The nub is as wide as the nub window so as long as it's inside the slot it is good.
Alignment is the bucking itself. It should sit straight in the chamber. It's pretty hard to mess up with the VSR buckings because they have an alignment ridge but it's possible and could cause a slight left or right hook if it isn't properly aligned.
So I have an Action Army Hop Chamber and the maple leaf bucking is about 1mm shorter and with it fitted is terrible so went back to the original VSR bucking and it's fine. I read somewhere that you have to put tape around the inner barrel where the AA chamber collar goes to push the bucking further in, did you have to do this ?
17lasbrisas yes, that's one of the flaws of the ML, they're indeed about 1 mm shorter so if you don't use teflon tape your airseal will be horrible. Wrap it in teflon tape a few times and then reinstall it, when you insert the spacer this will squish the teflon tape between the spacer and the bucking, which results in the bucking being pushed backwards, which results in 100% airseal.
Try it, you'll love it :)
great video but I can't handle the constant lip smacking
Reliku (Now Relizu...) I use a VSR 10 and a AA Chamber w/ a 70degree autobot bucking (550fps) and a concave nub, however I still get shots curving to the right and left. I use a PDI cold steel barrel, however since I cut the bridge off, if the window is not perfectly straight and parallel could that cause issues as to curving?
Diego Ayala generally not, unless the cut is very unclean (e.g. burrs left inside the window)
Excellent video!
What would you recommend for a WE GBBR 416/m4 flat hop combination?.. tx!
Great video man
You know your about to feel stupid when someone pulls out one of these pens
Would you recommend a Pdi 6.05 303mm inner barrel, or the AA g-spec 300MM inner barel? i've heard of issues where the piston doesnt reach far enough into the hole of the AA hop up unit.
I'd go for longer (such as 430 mm). I'd recommend none of those, actually. Recently I tried a maple leaf crazy jet and it is definitely better than both the AA and the PDI if you ask me. Look into those ;)
Hey! Is it true that 6.01mm inner diameter barrels are not a good choice for long range ? Thanks!
Not really. Range has nothing to do with your barrel choice, and while effective range (accuracy) does depend on your barrel quality, it does not depend on bore size generally. Assuming you're using perfect ammo.
If you're not using perfect ammo, wider bores will help your accuracy due to the air cushion effect, but at a cost of efficiency (more air is lost).
But using quasi-perfect ceramic bb's, people have achieved some of the longest shots with 5.98mm super-tightbores, and all the other records were shot with 6.03 or similar bores. Something to keep in mind.
Under normal circumstances, 6.01 will work just fine ;)
great info, thanks Relizu!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great video
I am thinking about buying an edgi tightbore 6.01mm for my jg bar 10. However it has a crown lip rather than the one shaped in your tutorial. I am also going to buy an action army hop up chamber.... do you think the maple leaf bucking and nub will fit on on the barrel with action army chamber
Bowen Zhang as long as the barrel is unbridged, yeah, it'll fit. Just ask edgi for an unbridged barrel ;)
cool thanks!
You like the Joker? Similar speech pattern.
Zeer interessante video. Ik ben zelf een VSR aan het opbouwen en ik vroeg mij af waar je een maple leaf nub kan vinden in Nederland? Ik kom zelf uit België, maar hier vind ik er niet direct eentje.
Skirmshop.nl heeft ze ;)
Ik heb ze gevonden. Bedankt. :)
Wow... such a big potential in this video with the detailed information and all the drawings, but made impossible to listen to, due to this constant lip smacking..... I don't think I've ever been annoyed by something in a video, but this is completely unbearable to listen.
My thought exactly
geez, don't gotta shame the man. Just be a pleasant fellow.
i never even noticed it once
I'm using a maple leaf autobot hop rubber with a Action Army Hop unit, do I need to change the arm on the hop unit?
SilverStripe82 no just the nub :)
Relizu what type of nub? Still quite new to this
SilverStripe82 the maple leaf concave nub, like the one I show in the video :)
What maple leaf bucking will fit an m4 style hop up? I am buying a Krytac LVOA-c and have no idea what bucking I should get for it. I would like to mod it over to a dmr. (Maple Leaf AST Airsoft AEG Hopup Rubber Bucking - 80°) would this be good for my build?
montyfacker yes, that one will work, but get a 50 or 60 degree one instead of the 80 ;)
ok. not sure if I will use maple leaf or mad bull yet. Im still new to airsoft :p
Very informative video thanks alot
Fantastic video, thank you!
Is there anything I need to know for use with a TM Hi-Capa pistol?
Sebastian Fick for a gas blowback, I'd recommend the autobot instead
Relizu thanks man ;)
I have 60° diamond buckings in 2 of my gbb pistols both with maple leaf I-keys and they perform absolutely amazing. Tried the autobot and decepticon and didn't care for them so I'm sticking with the monster buckings
I just bought a maple leaf monster 75 degree bucking for my WE M16. Do I need an exclusively maple leaf nub for it to work properly or will it be fine.
Amaethon for the gbbr's it's the same story, you'll need the ML nub. In your case the autobot will work better by the way, the anti-blow ring helps grabbing a gbbr nozzle which will improvr your fps consistency, so if the monster wears out, you might wanna consider switching :)
Relizu cheers buddy.
Relizu would you need a ML nub for a autobot then?
I have the aac21(tac21) version of the m700 made by action army. I have installed a vsr orga magnus barrel and now am getting a diamond bucking for it(have now installed a king arms bucking as I had it laying about but this is antiquated tech by now...). But this version of the m700 comes with a cylinder shaped nub instead of a concave nub. What shoud I order for a nub now? Standard m700 nub?
I don't feel like making my own nub as it will never be perfect... Thanks for your help/info!
S13mASSImo try a chunk of pencil eraser. it's easier than it may sound. just cut a square piece that fits into your hopup window and it will do the trick :)
Thanks, but I feel that I would have to file it into a concave shape right? My aac21 has the tdc style screw that puts pressure straight on the nub from the top, and I'm afraid that if I use a straight piece of eraser, I will be creating a opposite convex shape instead of a concave one. Would it not be better to have a hard nub? Thanks for the quick answer man!
S13mASSImo no, a flat nub will work just as well
Thanks a bunch man. I have read many of your posts on airsoftsniperforum with great interest and you do a lot for the airsoft sniping community!
Groeten uit België!
Great vid. Thanks!
Is it possible to use these new maple leaf buckings (deception/autobot) with standard VSR barrel with that "bridge" at the end or is it the same design as the old Monster bucking that can be used only with no bridge barrels?
Adam K same design yes, both can only be used with unbridged barrels, sadly.
ehh thats bad news... Would you suggest to remove somehow that bridge from PDI barrel for vsr (using sandpaper?? Is maple leaf worth it?) or just leave Maple leaf and find some other solution?
Adam K yes, I'd just remove the bridge then
Hey I'm debating on action army Hop chamber or maple leaf chamber I already have the maple leaf hop arm with a 70° bucking and I have ordered a 6.03 AA inner-barrel what would you suggest is better ?!
You can find him on the Airsoft Sniper Forum but go with the AA chamber
@@GTWCS14 the forum is how I found this channel haha but thanks! I was thinking the AA chamber to
@@goofywerth7347it's the best one to go with... The laylax is one I considered but the AA is the gold standard it seems.
Hallo RelizuU zegt op het laatst dat de diamond buckings niet voor de aeg barrel word gemaakt. Nu ben ik al een tijd aan het upgraden met mijn type 96 en heel mijn setup is van action army. Ik zit nu met het conflict flat hop gebruikt en schiet bagger.
Nu zie ik dat ze op skirmshop toch voor de aeg de diamond buckings maken, of zijn dit toch de delta's? En wat voor bb's met barrel wide gebruikt u?
Verderest zijn je filmpjes echt top ga zo door man.Groetjes
xX3xCfa De AEG buckings die skirmshop aanbiedt zijn inderdaad delta-type buckings (net als alle AEG buckings, helaas). Dus ze zijn net iets minder goed dan de VSR diamond versie.
Maar nog steeds best wel heel erg goed! Vergeet alleen niet de ML concave nub erbij te gebruiken ;)
Je flat hop zou het ook goed moeten doen, maar het kan zijn dat er iets fout gegaan is bij de installatie ervan, hetgeen tot slechte prestaties kan lijden. Ook hebben je bb's veel invloed, zorg dat je goede kwaliteit bb's gebruikt (zoals geoffs).
Maargoed, de AEG ML's bij skirmshop zijn prima te gebruiken i.c.m. een concave nub. Goede buckings :)
Jammer toch maar overstappen op vsr, weer beginnen aan een nieuw project
xX3xCfa De VSR is inderdaad wat beter omdat de parts beter geschikt zijn... Maar... met een beetje liefde kan een type 96 net zo goed schieten, je moet gewoon wat meer tijd steken in het finetunen van de hopup ;)
En.... Misschien dat er in de toekomst een zekere custom shop een type 96 chamber gaat maken die VSR barrels en buckings accepteert... hint hint ;)
Can I use it with a flat hop nob?
Did you even watch the video?
I just got a 75 and i have almost no hop? Its installed right. But idk why. Do i need to break it in?
dat boi 75 is hard, so if it's cold or your fps is low it won't work well.
Relizu i fixed the no hop. But i have many fliers now, my fps is low but i have a new 110 spring. Would you say it should fix the problem?
Relizu i think evike lied. It says 75 is for shooting 330 to 400.
dat boi yes evike simply copies maple leaf's chart. Which is wrong for 90% of the western world. That chart is for tropical climates where it's much hotter (Asia), hotter weather => harder bucking. For 400 fps, I would use 50 degrees (softest they offer) where I live (western europe). If you live somewhere warmer you could go for 60 degrees with 400 fps, or maybe even 70 if you live in the southern part of the US for example. But usually, 75 degrees is waaaay too hard for 400 fps.
For reference: here we play at 500 fps (measured with .2), and I play with .4 bb's at roughly 2.5 J myself. In the summer I play with a 60 degree bucking, in the winter I swap it out for a 50 degree one ;)
Relizu very interesting. I do live in texas and the summers are really hot here. I have it taken out right now and will wait until it is hotter outside to try it again. Either way i am doing the spring as mine has had several thousand rounds put on it and i need the extra power for outdoors. You know a lot about hop up buckings. I actually didnt have the right nub previously and that was part of the problem. I just needed to watch the video more, and also not listen to evike.
Quit clicking your tongue. Good video though. Thank you for the insights.
good video bro
Couldn't watch it through. The smack sound before you start a new sentence was just to damn much. 😣
...or just use a maple leaf hopup arm that is basically a hopup arm that has the maple leaf nub pre installed\
Longyat Chan I did mention these but I do not recommend them:
-The nub is softer than a metal arm and yields better consistency
-The arms suffer from quality control issues (not fitting, being off-center, stuff like that)
An AA chamber is easier and has other benefits as well (such as airseal and TDC style hopup).
very nice video :D
Hey Relizu/Reliku ;p
In the AA hop up chamber, do you need to mill out the window the nub goes through? It seems the nub is too wide for the small window the nub needs to go through.. a prometheus tensioner also didnt fit. And the original VSR10 nub just barely fits. The ML concave nub seems to be much wider then the original nub. Is the window of my AA chamber not as wide as yours or something?
Arjen Huijtker The ML concave nub is a perfect fit for the AA chamber. If it doesn't fit, you may have a lemon nub or chamber. But you don't need to mill anything or do any modifying at all.
Okay thanks a lot.
Great contributor to the airsoft community btw!! :)
And another quick question, is the action army 6.03 precision barrel also well fit for this set?
With a ML autobot 70 bucking? :)
Yes, but I'd recommend a 60 degree instead with a maple leaf crazy jet barrel. Those are better.
Mute it and put subtitles on.
Mooie video, kant en klaar uitleg ;-) ik gebruik ze ook
HI, i have the silverback srs, and i wanted to upgrade the bucking and I have used maple leaf diamond for my vsr before, but not the maple leaf aeg buckings. Would 60 degree maple leaf aeg bucking be good to use. I have an aps m160 spring installed and thats around 520 fps. Also, do I need the concave maple leaf nub for the maple leaf aeg bucking to work, or will the standard silverback nub work?
+Relizu ^
You may have to DIY a nub as the standard SRS nub is not concave. Other than that it'll work :)
+Relizu But instead of diy my owm nub can i use maple leafs concave nub?
John John You could in theory, but it won't work very well with the SRS double adjuster.
oh yeah I understand that, there is actually a mod for the srs called the fast hop that fixes that problem. Its a dile that you turn to either move the hop arm up or down so its not come from 2 sides anymore, just the top, so i think the maple leaf nub could work. Thanks for the help! :)
i bought that shit once it would not even keep my bbs in barrel when tilted to ground : not even with tighten at max hop up adjustment .....
Beau Guerrier that's what you need the nub for. Without the nub (or proper installation), this will happen.
Very nice video. Please stop with that tch sound that you make after very sentence, like some old professor
Just don't use it with a prowin aeg chumber..
ProWin is to picky.
where exactly can i get that nub for the bucking
search for "maple leaf tensioner" and you should find some local(ish) shops carrying them
+Relizu
im guessing its the same nub used for the aeg hop up units or am i incorrect
+oscar rojas yep