VSR-10 Build Series EP 3 - Hop Up, Barrels, Spacers, Chrono, Scope
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ค. 2019
- Welcome to episode 3 of our VSR 10 Build Series! Today we look at Maple leaf Autobot hop rubbers in an Action Army Hop-Up Unit, we then discuss a little about hop up settings vs FPS and lastly we show our rifle scope. Includes some tips for beginner builders.
Hope you enjoy!
Big thanks to all our subscribers!!!! YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!!!
#VSRBUILDSERIES #AIRSOFTSNIPERRIFLE #VSR10 - บันเทิง
![[TH] VCT Pacific Stage 2 - Playoffs Day 3 // DRX vs GEN | PRX vs TLN](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/CWM1Q-2-o3M/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank you. This is a great build guide and a demonstration of how the hop-up adjustment influences the muzzle velocity. I have a G-spec waiting to be worked on. You have helped me a lot!
Some of the best informative videos on airsoft tech. Great job!
Great explanations... I bought the same kit but I forgot the spacer for the barrel so I will see how to make ones :)
I recently bought a barrel like this for my dmr aeg SR 25 hoping it will work
Please do a full review or video on the full build
Hey man great video and very informative definitely deserves a sub! I was wondering what’s your take on best way to fix “double feeding” issues on the vsr platform?
Vrooom Productions
Thanks! Can’t say for certain without physically looking at the rifle but our first guess would be the BB retention part (looks like a bridge) check for correct installation, making sure part moves and functions as it should and is not warped 👍🏼
Whats the range you get and with what BBs? This build is awesome, love your vids
Thanks for the support! Good question! We haven’t been able to do a range test unfortunately, so we can’t even guess on the effective range. ^^
I have great compression from the cylinder itself but when i add it to the hop unit etc it looses all of it nothing from the barrel at all and very loud like a slamming sound
Love your thorough video. I have nearly identical setup with a different trigger. Just played with it yesterday. Consistent left curve at end of range...estimated 200ft or less. Shooting .40 bb shooting in mid 400s....any thought? Some say possible too tight on screws to outer barrel? Needs to break in? Dirty? I'm going to strip it down and get a good look at the bucking...thanks!
Mike
Its a really fun setup right?!!! I'm currently really enjoying mine too, one thing I did notice when installing everything was the inner barrel could twist left or right ever so slightly before the biting screws are secured down, you may want to unscrew those and twist the inner barrel 0.1mm in the correct direct to centrally align. Its easy to type this but I know the job ahead is going to be quite long hauled lol. Good luck my friend! ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours
Thanks for the response. I'll check those things. Gonna make sure the bucking is good, and the nub is lined up as well as "clock" the barrel perhaps bit. Any thoughts on trying a 75 degree maple leaf bucking? I have one....any thoughts on .43bb? So many variables, and I don't have a good long distance range in my neighborhood...to check my work. Let me know if any those ideas are a thing.
P.s. one suggestion was to try and rotate the nub 180degrees and see if that offsets the curve .
Thanks,
Mike
If a hop up chamber says AEG compatible, will normal VSR barrels work as well?
love the series!
is there any possibility to ask you things just in case? id like to build one myself too. would love to got with the ml mlc stock tho ppl say its quite nice
Sure you can ask questions! I’ll try to answer them when I can if I have experience with the parts you build with 👍🏻
If i use an inner barrel with the bridge on the window instead of you open window is it the same?(same bucking and omega pressor)
I wanna see your videos more please. Really love your vsr upgrade series. Btw, action army inner barrel is made of brass and coated with chrome , is that correct? They are not steel?
Thank you very much for the support! Lots of changes in life at the moment so not much going on regarding airsoft, may do a video about life updates if there is any interest.
To my knowledge the Action Army inner barrels I was using were Stainless steal and quite heavy. 👍🏻
@@AirsoftAfterHours I still can't decide which one to go, action army or maple leaf for my new Archwick MK13 MOD7. I would like to know about this barrel, is this brass or stainless steel? triggerairsoft.com/shop/maple-leaf-crazy-jet-550mm-for-tm-vsr10.html
@@kaunghtetzaw2022
I haven’t tried that particular barrel myself, but there are some mixed opinions regarding its performance. Usually they were highly praised, at least in the circles I frequent. I would’ve loved to have tried that barrel but never got around to it.^^
I have a brand new action Army chamber barrel and Maple Leaf Autobot bucking and I'm having bad inconsistency issues is this because the Bucking needs to be broken in
Hey dude! Finding a lot of answers through your videos and very informative! Keep it up, just wondered how you remove the plastic barrel spacer inside the vsr10 pro, or if I’m too put the spacers in and use tape on either side will i have to take the hop chamber out and reassemble once the barrel is in? Many thanks, matt
Hi Matt, the standard barrel spacer that comes with the VSR 10 is pretty useless so no need to re-install it after removal. To remove it, just pop it out using the inner barrel (gently push it out evenly towards the fatter end of the barrel).
What we would do when installing everything is:
1) First install the hop chamber and chosen barrel spacers onto the inner barrel.
2) Install it into the outer barrel in one whole unit.
Thanks for watching and good luck with the build! ^^
AirsoftAfterHours Got it, thanks, used the plastic packaging from the new maple leaf barrel I got... just didn’t do it evenly so got it jammed so had the impression it was super glued in.
@@tomhanks1714
Glad to hear! ^^
Hello friend!
Just a little question that maybe will do a huge difference. I have a hop up unit just like yours. About the bb stoppers, they have two screws on the outside. My question is, how much do you tights the screws?
I have some shots that are completely out of the aim point with the bb making some crazy trajectory and I think that maybe the problem is from there.
Sorry for my English but I tried 😅
Tks for you time.
Hi there! Your English is fine 😊
The BB stoppers are there just to hold the BB in place ready for the nozzle to load, once the nozzle loads forward and the BB is taken, the two BB stoppers are kept out of the way by the nozzle, they only need to be tight enough to hold the BB gently but loose enough so they don’t create an obstruction when the nozzle loads forward (if they are too tight you will feel them in the way when loading a BB but smoothing the nozzle edges can soften this issue). Erratic trajectory shouldn’t be caused by them even if they are incorrectly set. I would suggest having a very close look at the hop rubber and nub setting first ^^
Quick question: How exactly does one remove the original TM barrel spacer? It doesn't just push out easily. Update: On the newest ones, it is glued. You will need a long rod and wil need to use force---I used a mallet---to get it out.
Iirc I used a long thick tool that fit in from the front of the barrel (once the front end was removed) and pushed it out ^^
and when i ajust the hop up too much, it stop the hop up effect, the bb goes back down.
Installed mine just as this video explains, I constantly get misfeeds, have had it apart several times but same issue
check the 2 BB stoppers, they may need some minor tuning, is the hop set correctly? also may require minor adjustment, good luck my friend, I know issues like this can take days to diagnose but in the end its really worth it, hang in there!
ive been playing paintball for a few years but im transitioning to airsoft because i moved and paintball here isn't that easy to get into, I have a big interest in the guns like the vsr 10 but i've also been looking at the CM.612 i'm not sure which way to go, any advice is appreciated.
What you go for heavily depends on budget, if you are willing to spend some pretty bucks and like doing the work yourself, have a look at the Silverback SRS, that would be heavily on my to do list if I were going for my ultimate build. The VSR is more budget friendly as it can satisfy a wide range of players, from low budget to Moby Dicks 😂
The last part of consideration is all to do with looks, for me, the Ares Amoeba AS02 wins my heart for looks, it’s your choice my friend ^^
Great video! Im owner of a Gspec, what hop up chamber is that and how you up?.
Manuel Mayor
Thanks! This is the Action Army Hop Up Chamber, our favourite Hop Up unit for the VSR series 👍🏼
@@AirsoftAfterHours thanks for the answer!
What would happen if I straight up taped the entire inner barrel? If I buy spacers for a tm vsr "pro" can I buy two sets and install them? Will this further reduce vibrations?
Nathan Franklin
Probably won’t be necessary to install 2 sets as one set can already dampen the vibes, picture a drum 🥁 symbol getting hit and you dampen the vibration by pinching the symbol, pinching it with two hands may not make any noticeable difference.
We used the word “probably” because we don’t actually know for sure if there will be any benefit, as we haven’t done any test which compares one set of spacers vs two. 😊
@@AirsoftAfterHours wow, perfect analogy. Thank you!
I wrapped my inner barrel in rags and it is SILENT.
Where can I buy this hop up chamber.
Adjusting the hopup would it effect the way the bbs travels when shot. Just asking my goal is to be at 500 fps with. 40bbs i see the fps increases everytime u adjust it but how would the accuracy be effected withbthis adjustment.
Holy shit. 500 with .4? That’s really high
Can u make a video on the angel custom hopup chamber? I need some guidance
FyN3zT- BoBBy
sorry BoBBy, we don’t own the Angel Custom hop up chamber, from memory that hop chamber is very similar to the original TM version.
@@AirsoftAfterHours yes it exactly the same but for some reason it doesn't close right and it doesn't fit into the the outer barrel
I have the same spring in a full action army setup and it shoots 2,5 joules with 0,43g bbs hop set up correct. Our limits are 3 j and I want to get as close to it as possible. Could you somehow test the AA M170 because there are no topics on the forum about it
Konsta Mattsson the aa m170 spring shoots at about 500fps but im not sure what that is in joules if that helps at all
@@vrooomarmament The AA M150 shoots 500 fps so the M170 should shoot about 570-600 fps
Konsta Mattsson
Unfortunately we can’t test the spring in question because certain countries have FPS legal limits. Testing it and showing it would leave us in a grey area regarding legalities.
Plus, our budget has been exhausted for now, but thanks very much for the support! 👍🏼
Where do you put the barrel spacers?
Cruton
There is a gap between the outer barrel and the receiver that just fits one spacer. Of course, the barrel spacer may not really be required in this setup. ^^
How tight do you screw the screw nut that holds the hop-up lever down? And also to adjust the hop on these chambers do you have to disassemble the gun every time to gain access to the screw??
Just a couple of turns in so it can stay in place. It’s doesn’t need to be screwed in much because the hop adjustment will need tuning in. The hop up adjuster screw is accessed through a peephole, only the magazine needs to be removed to get to it, very convenient and easy to use. Also, the best. ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours hi bro.. thank for explaining this.. i was also thinking the same thing about disassembling the gun jus to adjust the hop up.. haha.. at least it can be accessed when u remove the mag... btw.. im glad i saw your video.. coz i ordered this AAC hop up chamber and just waiting for it to arrive.. im kinda nervous about that nub.. i might set it incorrectly hehe..
@@mikoteevee Congrats buddy! installation should be pretty easy and straight forward, you'll see once you see it in person, take your time and have fun with the building phase, it's the most fun part!
@@AirsoftAfterHours thank you sir.. yup will research more about how to install.. also i appreciate your immediate response..
ML 2021 Autobot vs 2021 Decepticon vs Modify Xrange?
I’ve got the same parts installed and I’ve taken it down and put pack to make sure I didn’t miss anything. My magazine feeds but they are not firing. Nothing is jamming the barrel. I’m kinda lost really.
Issac Gutierrez
First check the BB retention buttons inside the hop unit, they can be adjusted either to stick out more or less.
Also, does the bolt, namely the cylinder head, enter the hop unit smoothly?
Why have google put an age check on part 4?
That's a good question. It seems they are being throttled to make some very unsavoury choices if content even remotely offends a very small unethical community. Models, replicas and/or toys that resemble any thing that could offend is being demonetised. We will soon no longer see toy kitchens and play sets because they have plastic cutlery that may resemble a kitchen knife.
What BB weight you're using during the chrono test?
Exotic Pet keeper
0.20 gram Tokyo Marui Perfect Hit BBs (non-biodegradable).
What is the outside diameter of the scope
50mm, sorry for the late reply. I said 56mm in the video which was a mistake, my bad. Thanks for viewing! ^^
Which do you prefer, Mr. Hope or Decepticorn Hope?
Currently favourite would be Autobot, but between the Decepticon and MR I would choose decepticon simply because the results I get are very favourable.
@@AirsoftAfterHours I want to hit the can at 20 meters. There's a slight error when I aim and shoot. I want to know if it's possible to change the BB gun's characteristics or hop-up bucking. What should I do to increase the hit rate?
@@lds1452 if it’s a standard Tokyo Marui VSR 10, I personally would do the following mods:
New inner barrel
Hop rubber
Barrel stabiliser
Scope rail
Scope (not red dot)
These mods will bring more accuracy to a standard VSR and, although 20 metres is a super short distance, I have had much better results with scopes than red dots. 👍🏻
@@AirsoftAfterHours tank you. I want to know why you use the Autobots.
Which one is better than the Decepticon?
@@lds1452 Just really liked it, tried them and the results made a habit that was hard to break, even when a new rubber comes to market I am reluctant to break away from results an Autobot gave me, also I purchased a lot of them when I went shopping lol. Don't let my experience deter you from trying the deceptions though, they are really really good too, sometimes its a matter of opinion, and personal choice ^^
Will all these internals work with a clone like a cyma?
Depends on the clone. Several years ago we fit Action Army parts into a few difference clones and some parts would require some modifying to fit correctly. It could be the stock is a few mm off, of any other part. We never encountered any of these issues when using Tokyo Marui VSR's though ^^
I bought a vsr10 by jg bar and i want to shoot .40bbs what do u recommend as for upgrade parts to be able to shoot 500+fps list parts please
FyN3zT- BoBBy
The JG Bar 10 has slight tolerance differences when comparing to the Tokyo Marui VSR 10, we’re not entirely sure where the differences lie but if all parts would fit without issue we recommend following this guide: th-cam.com/video/SgD5efmu-18/w-d-xo.html
I have the gspec jg bar bar 10 and am wondering if I should get the same barrel you have here or a crazy jet 300mm or even the longer one from crazy jet ml.... don’t know if I should keep same barrel length like original gspec....
If you like the short profile of the 300mm go with that, I love short barrels and always try to keep them as short as possible. There are a other considerations which barrel length will affect such as how quiet you want your rifle to be. ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours thnaks for your answer. well yes i would like it to be more silent possible but i also don t want to loose range.but i guess if i use a 6.04 and have a good hop up and spring strong enough it won t loose much range
@@SololaneMvlog The best possible way to keep it silent and efficient would be to match the barrel length to the cylinder volume, it might get quite technical and very precise as many factors need to be in the equation, from barrel length, bb weight to cylinder type, etc..
430mm is the length I keep for a good all rounder without needing to get too in depth. The shortest barrel I run has the end just slightly longer than the front of the stock and I love the look of it, almost sawn off shotgun length, but it definitely is much louder, was playing with mine this morning in the office ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours oh crap i thought that smaller barrel would make it more silent...oh well i'll have to check to find a good barrel between the 303 and 430mm maybe haha best of both worlds maybe :) :) thank you so much for your knowledge, from a beginner sniper it iss really appreciated!!
hi , i just got this hopup but my vsr10 mags does not fit any tips?
HOP UP unit possibly misaligned, may be too far forward or backwards. The screw hole for the unit's mounting position is elongated so correct alignment can be made, more info and direct instructions in the following vid: th-cam.com/video/SgD5efmu-18/w-d-xo.html
Also, make sure the outer barrel is screwed in all the way, I’ve run into this problem as well
do you think the AAC hop up is better than the mapple leaf hop up bloc?
The Maple Leaf 🍁 hop up block is a replacement for the original Tokyo Marui one, if you are building from scratch you will need this. The Action Army Hop Up unit is our favourite and we install one on every build simply because it gives amazing results
do you have to take your rifle apart when ever you need to cheche the hopup?
Nuchie
A visual check is usually all that’s needed when checking for function, but I enjoy taking the rifle down for servicing and maintenance, which usually involves a bit of cleaning and changing of the hop rubber, this rifle is very basic in terms of build, so it’s not a chore but a quick job. 👍🏼
@@AirsoftAfterHours Alright thank you!
hi sir.. do i need to put teflon tape on the mapleleaf bucking for better seal .. or the ring that came with it will do the job of sealing?
If using the maple leaf hop up chamber, no Teflon tape is needed, the unit creates a perfect air seal. ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours im using the action army red hopup chamber sir.. will i need to put teflon?
@@mikoteevee sorry my bad, got my brands mixed up lol, when using a Maple Leaf 🍁 Hop Up chamber, no Teflon tape is needed, it will provide a perfect air seal, 👍🏻
@@AirsoftAfterHours how about action army red hopup chamber sir?
@@mikoteevee sorry I’m totally not with it today lol. Yes, no need for Teflon tape on Action Army hop up chamber, very sorry, I am a bit unwell this week 😅
when i ajust my hop up, the fps drop and they don't go up like you, i have the same part installed.
Jérémi Caron
It might be a good idea to disassemble and recheck all parts, especially the hop rubber. Some hop up rubbers can come from the factory a little badly made. Also pay close attention to the mini nub and make sure it is seated correctly.
@@AirsoftAfterHours everything is placed good, when i adjust it, the fps goes up until i get to the peek, and then if i adjust more, the fps goes back down and the hop up efffect cancels
Jérémi Caron
That sounds like everything is working correct, once hop up is adjusted enough to lift the bb no more hop need be applied 👍🏻
by your accent i'm going to assume you are UK based...
bit concerning.... what you are suggesting is to adjust your hopup to take a 517 fps gun (dangerously close to the 520fps reclassification limit of 520fps or 2.51 jules were it'll become an airgun not an airsoft gun in the UK) to under the 500fps limits that most airsoft sites have for bolt action sniper rifles in the UK,.....
2 major problems with this....
firstly
the 500fps (2.32 jules) is meant as a maximum energy that the rifle can achieve no matter what the position of the hop is.
and secondly
an more importantly the limits are 500fps which translates to somewhere around 2.32 jules with .20g bb's but ill be willing to bet you that with jule creep will push the jules to somewhere near or above 3 jules with .40g or heavier bb's making it an airgun and subject to normal firearms laws and regulations... generally you should be looking at around an m125 ish to keep your jules on or under the 2.3 jule limit. iv setup wolverine bolt kits that have massive jule creep having to drop the .20g bb fps down to only 400 to get the 2.3 jules on .40g bb's...
by pushing these to the very limit you are getting people to use jule creep to effectively cheat and worse still run illegal guns at airsoft sites, especially the sites that don't understand the jule system yet
you should probably stop trying to convince people to push the envelope and get as close as possible to the limits cos it'll end up landing you on the wrong side of the law or worse still convincing your viewers on to the wrong side of the law.... and to be honest with you im a little annoyed at this as you said in the vid you do stuff with airguns as well (when talking about your scope) meaning that you should understand that the law uses kinetic energy not fps when testing the legality of sized airguns that is why all airguns will be around 11 ishft/lb not the maximum 12ft/lb (16 jules) to account for ammo weight and other factors so there is absolutely no reason why you should be pushing people into running illegal guns, at airsoft sites. please stop this as i do really like the sniper role and if these breaches in site rules keep up then your gonna get bolt action rifles banned at the site level.... or worse get someone else banged up under firearms laws for shooting people with airguns all cos they followed your advice on tuning thire airsoft sniper rifles
Hi, thank you very much for your comment, we completely understand your valid concern, it is genuinely not our intention to push airsoft enthusiasts to use illegal or dangerous airsoft rifles. Our sole purpose was to try and share hobby tips for all our viewers from around the world.
As with any true hobbyist, when cause for concern is present, we will do everything in our power to correct it, because we care. So we have decided to add warnings in all of our sniper rifle descriptions and create a public service warning video, to educate those new to the hobby and wanting to adopt the role of a sniper of how to stay safe and legal with regards to power/ fps/ joule ratings.
Thank you for your detailed input and true concern, we appreciate your mature nature of viewing the sport and hobby, we'd also like to add that we are not a reckless entity that tries to convince it's viewers to push the envelope on power limits, we take everyones safety very seriously which is why we will do what we can to make sure our viewers understand the dangers.
All the best! AirsoftAfterHours ^^
@@AirsoftAfterHours thanks for your mature attitude and i do apologise for not only for the rant but the length, i kinda got carried away, i don't usually rant at people but i had this issue at my site the weekend before last and i saw this an it set me off a bit, lol, what had happened was a young girl stumbled in front of a friendly sniper (both regular players) as he was taking a shot around 10m away (granted it is well inside the 20m minimum engagement distance) it hit her just above the eye pro and penetrated the skin and traveled about an inch under the skin, so another test of the sniper revealed 2.3 jules with .20g and another test with his ammo that he said was .36g at 375 fps or 2.35jules so yes it was close but too close to really grumble at the time, couldn't use our heavy ammo as i had sold it all that morning.... but... i then get a call off the girl who was hit after the hospital had removed the bb from under the skin with 6 stitches and possibly a permanent scar (though lucky to not lose her eye) and her dad happened to weigh the bb an oh dear is a .46... which means even though it was good on the crono for .20g bb's with .46 he would be somewhere at or above 3 jules, so now im in a very awkward position and have a lot of consequences to deal with an when i saw this i got a bit frustrated and a tad angry, it not fair that i rant at you as there are far bigger youtubers who are using the jule creep, weighted pistons and over voluming to effectively cheat the chrono to gain advantages and to get that super long shot on camera to get more views without considering safety and they seem to forget that not everyone is a professional airsofter and that there are newcomers and younger people. im no by no means an expert and id love to say this is an isolated incident but iv had to learn all the balistice stuff as this is the third penetrating injury at the site in as many weeks and what really concerns me is how people are using their tech knowledge to gain advantages which in turn pushes the more honest players to do the same to be able to keep up and forgetting that is a game at the end of the day. i've been so concerned by the frequency of issues i've been finding in the last 6-8 months that i had decided to hand on my site to a new owner as it isn't what i signed up for, an i certainly don't enjoy telling/arguing with players about the legality of their airsoft weapons, especially when some of them have come 200 miles for one of our weakenders or night opps games
No need to apologise, we completely understand the concern. We're sorry to hear about the girls misfortune, we hope that girl is doing is ok and recovers well!
Safety is absolutely paramount when engaging in this sport and we take it very seriously, our future videos will definitely consider this and have warnings in place where necessary, we believe this will both educate or enlighten some players and help build a stronger, more unified community. Thank you for bringing this topic up as it's good to share information within the community so newcomers get more insight into all aspects of the hobby, especially safety.
We sincerely hope the troubles you are going through get sorted out quickly and that the future of our hobby stays strong with the help of hobbyists such as yourself, sometimes it takes the effort of a few to secure better future.
All the best, and thank you for what you are doing for the sport and it's players!
@@turo1012 my dude she got hit with about 2.14 joules at that distance!!!!!
I usually go 480 FPS with.20
And run .43.
I use low power as I use IR hop and HPA but I still outrange other snipers.
Hop up is what matters most not FPS.
@@siliconesword1798 any chance you could show me were you got the science from showing almost 60fps loss over the first10 m? cos 2.14j on a sligtly lighter.45 is 320fps an in the instance above was 375fps on a .46, an what does your 480fps on .2g have to do with anything? do u use .2g? your fps means nothing other than a part of an equation to test the muzzle energy u producebut like iv said previosly i also have hpa set up, well in actual fact i hav 3 hpa vsr's, s hpa strikers, an 2 hpa m700... not including 12 other springers 14aegs 4 hpa'ed aegs an 27 pistols... and atleast the wolverine setup i use wen set to 2.28j on .4g then tests at about 405fps on .2 so if i set it to amout 65-68 psi pushing 485-490fps on .2 it translates to wel in exxess of 3 julesan probly closer to 4 jules due to jule creep, not all rifles creep that bad i know but what i have and what they do is fully irrelivent, the point of it all is to educate people that they need to be mindfull that relying on fps as aposed to actual muzle energy can in fact land you on the wrong side of the law an if cought whould mean assalt with an un licenced section1 firarm i.e. prison time
Where can I buy this hop up chamber.
Did you buy one