If anyone has concerns about the switches in comparison to other leverless options, the board is hot swap and the requirement is low profile optical switches like the ones razer has as default. Youre limited but you wont have razer as your only option. Keychron has low profile optical switches that people have used in razer's other hotswap optical keyboards.
For anyone in the market for a leverless right now and coming a bit late to this video, there are newer options out there that blow stuff like the Kitsune, MPress, SnackBox, etc. out of the water value-wise, stuff like the Haute42 controllers or the keybox. You can get a Haute42 for like _40-60 bucks,_ and it has damn near every feature that these "premium" controllers have (and even some that they don't such as _multiple_ SOCD options). Only thing is PS4/PS5 functionality, but with such a low price you can easily afford a brooks dongle. Hell, even Mayflash is coming out with a leverless this spring, maybe wait on that. Let's be real here, leverless controllers, specifically the small/slim ones, are essentially a modified keyboard with way fewer keys. 250+ for that is insanity. I hope that these smaller, newer brands can regulate the market, because there's no way an MPress should be costing 250+ euros, I'm sorry. There are custom builders making full-size, wooden hitboxes with brooks and sanwa parts for 200-250€, a Kitsune for 300 is a giant middle finger.
Seeing the difference of buttons was very interesting. I've been skeptical towards the mechanical keyboard switches in most leverless controllers. I really appreciate the feeling of hammering on a Sanwa button and Kitsune seems to be an option that is close to this. Gonna rant about my leverless buying journey. I was sure the Kitsune was going to be my first leverless controller. But once it became available the price was a hard pill to swallow ($400 in Sweden!) and the non PS4 support just made it a non-starter for me. Most of our locals are still on PS4 with a select PS5 machines. Though it really sucks with my current ps4 only stick to go to locals and have to fiddle with converters. The big selling point of the Kitsune for me is the fact that I could walk into a regular store buy it. if I have any technical issues I can then make that a problem for the store to solve. I can expect it to just work. With the other controllers I am importing them from a different country and you can bet your ass I will need to manually patch that board firmware at some point or go trough the hassle of shipping the product if I get any issues. I feel Razer messed up on the price . They had an opportunity to become the default choice for all first time leverless controller buyers if they pushed the prices further. They are competing with like 2 guys in an apartment buying generic keyboard switches and drop shipping small batches of cases on a monthly basis. Razer has supply lines and can invest in setting up production processes. With an initial investment they can create a product that is superior both in price and quality. Instead they settled at making a product comparable to what we currently we have. I just want a hassle-free choice I can actually use at home, in tournaments and at locals for a reasonable price :/ I've bit the bullet now and bought a Squidbox so I can easily play Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8 in locals and bring while travelling. I really hope I will not hate how the buttons feels compared to Sanwa buttons. If I don't then I hope I can at least tolerate it because it portable. Otherwise I might look at a Kitsune or a Victrix.
I agree entirely in regards to Razer pricing this too high. I think it is absolutely the fact that they know their competition and are trying to price them out. That said, slow production for Snackbox and M-press (the two controllers I was considering alternately to the Kitsune) really hurts them. I would gladly support the smaller companies for the cheaper controllers, but I've been watching both for months and they just aren't available to buy unless I want to get them through e-bay or etsy, which isn't even directly supporting them anyway.
@@soaringphinix6049 will receive my squidbox now with the September batch. Will be sure to try silent switches if I dislike the ones they ship with. Thank you
I love how it doesn't work on PS4 but it does work on PS3. I bought the kitsune a week ago and I really like it, but all the negatives in the comments are absolutely accurate. No SOCD hardware cleaning options, also the key lock switch also locks L3 and R3, which are also super small and directly next to the ps menu button. If you don't just play SF6 but also i.e. Tekken with makros, this will be an issue.
Glad you like it. My only issue is the price tag. I'm new to leverless so I dont think I would know the difference nor would it help me improve. I do want to invest in a larger leverless controller & that Razer does look like a perfect size. I'll be waiting for prices to come down for this & other controllers.
I think the quality of the snackbox is better. I have the new snackbox released at evo and the kitsune and the button layout on the kitsune is straight which I dislike. I think the snackbox is better. Also theres no way to change the sodc cleaning on the razer. Its stuck to the tournament standard settings for sf6, so if you switch to another fighting game you will be stuck with that as well on there even though its not a capcom game. The snackbox allow you to switch how your inputs work giving you more options.
the switches Jiyuna is using are clicky ones which are as loud as they get. you can always use quiet linear switches and make it quiet. Also @shake88, no shot the build quality on the snackbox is better than the kitsune. snackbox is a good product but they are lowkey made out of nothing.
Someone has to pay for all the engineering that goes into their products. You can say what you want about the reliability but they put a ton of money into engineering their products. It doesn't always pay off but as he shows you the thinless is insane. Same goes for their laptops. They have crazy powerful GPU laptops with their Razer Blade line and they are without a doubt the most THIN for a gaming laptop too. That's baked into the price so you have to pay the premium for their stuff. Is it worth it? That's up to the customer but their products feel SUPER premium. Never cheap.
I've been using the OG hitbox for a few years. I have a few I built myself with Brooks boards that are just massive wooden boxes. Ordered myself a Kitsune a few days ago and should have it on Thursday. Glad to hear good reviews for it, looking forward to the lower profile/smaller controller. I didn't even know my Hitbox was not compatible with PS5?! I guess I'll be set having both though. OG Hitbox for the PS4 events, and Kitsune for PS5s. I mostly play on PC, but was looking at buying a PS5.
You won't need to remove the full bottom grip pad to pull that aluminum top panel off. There are little screws caps you can pull away to expose the screw heads. But yeah, this thing has good palm rest/wrist space, plays PS5, some subtle edge lighting, bigger buttons (than equivalent Micro stuff), and optical switches. Issues are one-note SOCD cleaning, weak wraps, $300, and no PS4 compatibility. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the optical switches after a couple weeks of practice. Can you feel any difference in game (faster actuation for faster punishes/checks) or is it too subtle for someone to reasonably tell?
Past the lack of PS4 compatibility, lack of customization sucks. Snackboxes are within the same price bracket, work on all PS4 PS5 and even Xbox setups (ya never know when you might wanna slap up someone who got SF6 on their Xbox), and you can make and have whatever art you want on the top, customize the buttons etc. If I'm spending so much on a controller, I want to make it my own. The USBC-lock feature is fantastic tho, hope to see it become industry standard
Removing the top case is with 9 screws hidden under some little plugs on the bottom. dont need to remove the whole rubber base. I'm also waiting for the template to try to get an artist to commission something
What I do with the rubber pads in my keyboards is I use double sided adhesive tape. I think peeling them off is a non-issue, just find very thick tape to stick it back in if you faff it up.
It’s weird entering the genre like two years ago on a fight stick. I still really like fight sticks but I want to explore leverless. Plus seeing the scene go full leverless makes me feel like i’m missing out.
No toggle for left stick/right stick/dpad and the SOCD cleaning isn't configurable, the switches are hotswap but so far razer doesn't sell them separately and keychron optical switches work with caveats. fancy little licensed controller, but buyer beware.
I have a regular Hitbox. All these other leverless controllers look cool and all but it's hard to justify buying one when the Hitbox still works. If it ever breaks (hopefully not for a long time) then I'll probably check out the newfangled stuff. :)
Serious question for leverless, Do people actually press up with their right thumb? Why do all of these controllers insist on giving players poor ergonomics by slamming the buttons next to each other in that compressed layout.
The compressed layout helps having a smaller hitbox but also not everyone have big hands/long fingers and that's also why 24mm buttons are more comfy than 30mm. I couldn't see myself play on leverless if buttons weren't as close as each other's because it would means my fingers would be stretched and during long sessions I would certainly start to feel it.
So I use Razer Blackwidow for general gaming, and that also runs a laser for inputs. (I use a TES+ for fg's) It's like, you would think it's like overblown what laser inputs do for you, right? but when I first got it, I had to get used to my inputs being so fast while PC gaming. its very sensitive in a accurate way. It makes normal mechanical keys feel slow, like makes you feel not sharp by comparison once you get used to it. I am so happy the kitsune has lasers, that's so sick to see a fighting game controllers are starting to try it ^,^b
Optical parts have been used in fighting game controllers here and there for a long time, both in custom builds and in standard retail products, though mostly the levers. I have only seen one or two brands of optical buttons in the past and havent used those myself. My oldest retail stick with an optical lever is one for the Dreamcast. I am not sure if it is cost that makes optical parts less common, but I dont often hear of them being very sought by the average FG player either. Maybe the companies don't see enough demand to make them worth implementing.
Probably won't get a Kitsune because of how quiet it is. I use the button sound to realize what went wrong when I mess something up, lol. I can hear the clickety-clacks, and know if I went to fast or slow.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI awesome. Looking forward to it. Has been such a bummer not getting to use my mpress and victrix and going back to pad has been tough.
Been looking to make the leap from my ps5 controller to a leverless. Just the look of it has me sold. I like thats its ominous and sleek looking..that TRON edition.
Yeah the non-PS4 support is a huge kill on buying this. Even games that have a PS5 version don't even run it on PS5, they run it on PS4 Pro. That includes EVO that has the Sony sponsorship. IDK what razer was thinking but that alone just kills it. Having to get a convertor to go back to PS4 is just more money and eventually just leading you to buy another leverless controller that has more options.
@@Neoxon619 True, but think about games like Strive and KOF15, even though they have PS5 versions everyone plays the PS4 pro version to allow more players. I could see this product being a huge hit in a couple years since every game will HAVE to be ran on PS5 but atm it's comes down to pure incompetence.
hey I got mine couple days ago, pretty good, I have it on tekken 7 on ps5 and PC so pretty good deal, I will be using this for many years to come. he's right about the design/ lack of design. Another thing that is not the best is the default aluminin cover is a finger Magnet. Lasty when you connect to the ps5, press the PS button with the Lock switch unlock.
I've finally embraced the cheat box now that it's officially PS5-licensed and codified into tournament rules and everything and it feels pretty good. It's true that it would be nice if it were more customizable but this one really feels like it's thought through the implications of being a different device instead of just being a half-assed conversion of an arcade stick. Still a little awkward for me compared to a stick but even day one it's not that bad. I think I may be converting to a full-time player on this thing.
2:31 I think for their fight stick they eventually released a clear cover for it. I think they mentioned they were gonna do the same for this down the line.
I was hoping this was gonna fix the availability issue of leverless controllers in Europe, but at 350 euros it's just about as much as importing a PS5 compatible one out of the US. I'm really wondering if this is worth that obscene amount or I'm better off waiting for Hori to put out something similar at a cheaper price.
I got the kitsune a couple days ago! It's really nice and clean. It's my first hitbox and I play on a panthera evo. I'm starting to get comfy with it and having a good experience in tekken. The buttons are really nice. good hitbox imo
I love the controller but hate it when it comes to tekken, its easy for me to mistake how much pressure im placing on the buttons because they're so soft which can mess up my inputs
How do people with smallish hands feel about this controller? I'm looking for a controller that I won't have to stretch my fingers too much to be able to place my fingertips in the center of buttons.
Been using it for a few days as my first leverless and while I absolutely LOVE it, holy hell, is adjusting just pure hell. Doing double qcb motions for the critical arts with my ring finger has been soooo frustrating, please tell me it gets better soon lol
Ive been using the victrix for 5 months or so now. Love it. Its big and heavy compaired to these but it feels great on the lap. Super responsive. It does cost a lot though compaired to some other options out there.
@buttersthecat7857 thanks! Am considering ordering the purple one and replacing with other sanwa buttons for nicer colors - I don't mind the price, more looking for the most durable between the 2 since the kitsune looks rather thin and I'm used to Razer Panthera (non Evo).
The fs-12 is nice but it is much bigger so just depends what your use case is. I have a snackbox micro and fs-12 and the latter tends to stay home for me since I bring a levered arcade controller with me as well. I also did not like the way the 24mm sanwas felt for the directional buttons on the fs-12, so I swapped those out but that incurred extra cost. I used the kitsune at EVO and liked it enough to preordee an SF6 model. It will likely replace my snackbox for a travel leverless, and I like the kitsune stock buttons wayyyyy more than the stock sanwas on the fs-12.
Yoh illu Im a new fighting game player zangief main and I just bought the kitsune was playing on pad and I’ve noticed it’s soo much faster input so much cleaner. Combos and cancels are easier minus the fact I’m day 2 leverless it’s a bit more competitive advantage
I really don’t need this. But I really want it. Affirm looking real enticing right now for $25 a month. I just don’t have to eat out one day and there’s my monthly payment lol.
Honestly, as a casual I am baffled that none of these arcade sticks and leverless controllers have Bluetooth or 2.4 GHz wireless, and that Razer opted to not include one. I know it's a product intended for a more "hardcore" audience, even though the vast majority of people who buy these controllers statistically will never even enter a tournament or go to a local, otherwise all of these stick makers are competing for like, what, only 3000 people in the entire world in the market for buying a stick/leverless AND go to tournaments, and once they buy one they keep it for like 5 years...?? I get that people don't want input delay or interference with the signal, but giving us the choice won't hurt anyone. There is literally no video game controller released in the last like 10 years over $50 that doesn't have Bluetooth or wireless functionality. Even "hardcore" custom controllers for fps games like Battle Beaver or Scuf that cost hundreds of dollars still leave in the Bluetooth module. You have so much space inside such a wide controller, it's unimaginable to me that no one thought of putting one in.
My main complaint with every single hitbox controller remains the same, I know it's the superior controller in terms of speed, but I cannot stand how damn close the buttons are to each other, and I mean the my hands are literally touching each other while I play with a hitbox, I know it a niche complaint, but it drives me insane that the buttons aren't properly space from each other, like for example, I think the sweetspot for space would be the type of space you have inherently in a keyboard when you're typing, you always have space for each hand and each hand has its own space to work with, I want that for a hitbox controller, if it wasn't for that, I would defenetly buy one just to learn and play stuff, but every single one I see is exactly the same, and I had not see one with enough space in between, I would build one, but it would be more effort and I don't really have execution problems.
@@JELIFISH19 Nah bro, the point of the hitbox is speed, now if you told me that there where certain up up inputs I would totally agree with you on that since you could up with your left and right hand for a piano input without letting go of your main directions, and so far that has never being an input in a game to my knowledge, even as a movement option y doesn't really require that level of necessity.
@@ZeroillusionX it's not just speed but also precision. There are plenty of motions that are way more difficult to do with one hand. Jumping with your right hand makes a lot of instant air moves much easier. It's really hard to press the up for just 1-2 frames with your left hand because you also have to release the up button up to do the motion. So going from up to down is much easier and faster if you use your right hand for up. The same is true for going down to up for super jumps especially if you're already holding a direction. Using your right hand to jump is also much more precise for jump cancelled moves. You can press up and the button at the same time very consistently.
@@JELIFISH19 that's actually scientifically not true, while I understand what you mean in terms of theory in practice is completely untrue, because it has to do with how the brain works, your brain is wired in a way that you are naturally faster on inputs with one hand, instant air moves or tiger knee inputs are not easier by doing that, it's actually much harder because what you're doing is put stress in your brain to follow a set timing, that timing is not taken into account when using a hand, you're confusing this with stick theory, if we where talking about using 2 sticks to input up and down, then yes, because that is something that has being tested throughly. The issue here is button presses, you have 4 buttons for directions and usually 8 for attacks, the thumb is usually the slowest moving finger in terms of reactions relative to the others, if you add this other layer of downtime you're making it harder for yourself not the other way around, you can press buttons faster and far more precise with 1 hand because one hand is already wired to have a rithm build into it because of how our brains works. Now, im saying that what you state is factually wrong, but, just because it's wrong it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, if you like doing your inputs like that, nothing is stoping you and if you like playing like that, you should absolutely play how you like and nobody should stop you, my whole argument is that to me the buttons being too close is insanely bothersome and I had not find a hitbox on a reasonable price that have enough space for me, and again, I sadly cannot afford a custom made one since it would means spending money that I can spend in something else.
@@ZeroillusionX your thumb may be the slowest finger but you have your whole hand. And you have 2 two hands. You don't just rely on your fingers when playing on stick or hitbox. It's not like a keyboard. Separating the work between two hands is way faster when you only have a few frames to hit 4 buttons.
The other big caveat for this is the proprietary parts. When one of the buttons inevitably fails, its gonna be really expensive to replace it. I hope this gets pointed out when people purchase this. I also hope the warranty for this is extensive because potential customers are paying A LOT already to even get this and when something fails after a certain amount of time, they cant easily replace parts like other custom sticks/leverless controllers.
NO PS4!???? WHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!??????? I'm so sad rn. This looks so good, but it will be a hard pass for me. Can't afford to pay such amount to not be able to use it to my friends house or locals... + one of the reason we buy these compact, light weight leverless controlers is so that we can carry them some other place? What were they thinking...
i like how many people got this stick for review say it the best because ya want too get another free item from them for me i am good now the haute pro g13 stick i am good that is in my budget this no 300 for this hell na
I use an 15'' laptop case for the mpress, this one looks similar in size, try that! I'm dying to give the Kitsune a try but my poor Brazilian Bucks can't afford it, mpress was too much already lmao RAZER SPONSOR ME!
I was a month ago to see if leverless was for me. Then I got cheap 3D printed one off Etsy for $55, works pretty well for daily casual player like myself. I will eventually get a "better" one but I cant justify the price tag on some of these just to play the dern game lol. Leverless is defiantly better than stick, I'm not going back to that.
cool video. Unfortunately it has no SOCD cleaning maybe they can fix that with a firmware update. I would have kind of expected that of a 300 bucks controller.
It is quite a co incidence that i was searching a good review for this yesterday and you posted this video 1 hour ago 😮.. Is Allah hinting me to buy this 😅
If anyone has concerns about the switches in comparison to other leverless options, the board is hot swap and the requirement is low profile optical switches like the ones razer has as default. Youre limited but you wont have razer as your only option. Keychron has low profile optical switches that people have used in razer's other hotswap optical keyboards.
For anyone in the market for a leverless right now and coming a bit late to this video, there are newer options out there that blow stuff like the Kitsune, MPress, SnackBox, etc. out of the water value-wise, stuff like the Haute42 controllers or the keybox. You can get a Haute42 for like _40-60 bucks,_ and it has damn near every feature that these "premium" controllers have (and even some that they don't such as _multiple_ SOCD options). Only thing is PS4/PS5 functionality, but with such a low price you can easily afford a brooks dongle. Hell, even Mayflash is coming out with a leverless this spring, maybe wait on that.
Let's be real here, leverless controllers, specifically the small/slim ones, are essentially a modified keyboard with way fewer keys. 250+ for that is insanity. I hope that these smaller, newer brands can regulate the market, because there's no way an MPress should be costing 250+ euros, I'm sorry. There are custom builders making full-size, wooden hitboxes with brooks and sanwa parts for 200-250€, a Kitsune for 300 is a giant middle finger.
I very much appreciate your advice but sadly idk where to buy the boards you recommended in europe
A lot of it comes down to convenience, Amazon vs Aliexpress
I bought Haute42 M16 Plus on Aliexpress. It has everything I need and even more.
Like 16 is too much, but I really appreciate 2 buttons for Up.
Seeing the difference of buttons was very interesting. I've been skeptical towards the mechanical keyboard switches in most leverless controllers. I really appreciate the feeling of hammering on a Sanwa button and Kitsune seems to be an option that is close to this.
Gonna rant about my leverless buying journey.
I was sure the Kitsune was going to be my first leverless controller. But once it became available the price was a hard pill to swallow ($400 in Sweden!) and the non PS4 support just made it a non-starter for me. Most of our locals are still on PS4 with a select PS5 machines. Though it really sucks with my current ps4 only stick to go to locals and have to fiddle with converters.
The big selling point of the Kitsune for me is the fact that I could walk into a regular store buy it. if I have any technical issues I can then make that a problem for the store to solve. I can expect it to just work. With the other controllers I am importing them from a different country and you can bet your ass I will need to manually patch that board firmware at some point or go trough the hassle of shipping the product if I get any issues.
I feel Razer messed up on the price . They had an opportunity to become the default choice for all first time leverless controller buyers if they pushed the prices further. They are competing with like 2 guys in an apartment buying generic keyboard switches and drop shipping small batches of cases on a monthly basis. Razer has supply lines and can invest in setting up production processes. With an initial investment they can create a product that is superior both in price and quality. Instead they settled at making a product comparable to what we currently we have.
I just want a hassle-free choice I can actually use at home, in tournaments and at locals for a reasonable price :/
I've bit the bullet now and bought a Squidbox so I can easily play Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8 in locals and bring while travelling. I really hope I will not hate how the buttons feels compared to Sanwa buttons. If I don't then I hope I can at least tolerate it because it portable. Otherwise I might look at a Kitsune or a Victrix.
I agree entirely in regards to Razer pricing this too high. I think it is absolutely the fact that they know their competition and are trying to price them out. That said, slow production for Snackbox and M-press (the two controllers I was considering alternately to the Kitsune) really hurts them. I would gladly support the smaller companies for the cheaper controllers, but I've been watching both for months and they just aren't available to buy unless I want to get them through e-bay or etsy, which isn't even directly supporting them anyway.
Snackbox / Nano seem like the best at the moment.
Might I suggest you try silent switches, to me they are the closest thing to sanwa buttons. It's also not expensive.
@@soaringphinix6049 will receive my squidbox now with the September batch. Will be sure to try silent switches if I dislike the ones they ship with. Thank you
I love how it doesn't work on PS4 but it does work on PS3.
I bought the kitsune a week ago and I really like it, but all the negatives in the comments are absolutely accurate. No SOCD hardware cleaning options, also the key lock switch also locks L3 and R3, which are also super small and directly next to the ps menu button. If you don't just play SF6 but also i.e. Tekken with makros, this will be an issue.
lmao
SOCD and Macros are fucking cheating you idiot
If it gets the job done then I'd say it's a solid controller. But for 300 bones I just wish it had more lights on it than just on the edge around it.
Glad you like it. My only issue is the price tag. I'm new to leverless so I dont think I would know the difference nor would it help me improve. I do want to invest in a larger leverless controller & that Razer does look like a perfect size. I'll be waiting for prices to come down for this & other controllers.
imho the price is too high as well. the could easily sell it for 1/3 less that that
The Kitsune being "quieter" than the Snackbox Micro is alluring, but I'm not sure whether that alone is worth the switch
As a music game button masher, the quieter for me the better. I telegraph too much shit in person.
I mean, they both have hot swappable switches, so the sounds are kind of moot.
I think the quality of the snackbox is better. I have the new snackbox released at evo and the kitsune and the button layout on the kitsune is straight which I dislike. I think the snackbox is better. Also theres no way to change the sodc cleaning on the razer. Its stuck to the tournament standard settings for sf6, so if you switch to another fighting game you will be stuck with that as well on there even though its not a capcom game. The snackbox allow you to switch how your inputs work giving you more options.
@@Shake688 the socd change in other fighting games doesn’t affect controls as much as you’re thinking.
the switches Jiyuna is using are clicky ones which are as loud as they get. you can always use quiet linear switches and make it quiet. Also @shake88, no shot the build quality on the snackbox is better than the kitsune. snackbox is a good product but they are lowkey made out of nothing.
One other thing is that it apparently only does CPT-style SOCD cleaning, so if you want the down+up->up rule, that's not an option! (at least not yet)
Damn, no Guile for me!
But you get the instant back down charging off standing normals. Meaning you can hold down back and press jump plus mp and get standing mp.
A keyboard with a 100+ optical switches installed. $150
Razer putting 12 of them on a slab $399
Don’t forget the LED
Someone has to pay for all the engineering that goes into their products. You can say what you want about the reliability but they put a ton of money into engineering their products. It doesn't always pay off but as he shows you the thinless is insane. Same goes for their laptops. They have crazy powerful GPU laptops with their Razer Blade line and they are without a doubt the most THIN for a gaming laptop too. That's baked into the price so you have to pay the premium for their stuff. Is it worth it? That's up to the customer but their products feel SUPER premium. Never cheap.
I've been using the OG hitbox for a few years. I have a few I built myself with Brooks boards that are just massive wooden boxes. Ordered myself a Kitsune a few days ago and should have it on Thursday. Glad to hear good reviews for it, looking forward to the lower profile/smaller controller.
I didn't even know my Hitbox was not compatible with PS5?! I guess I'll be set having both though. OG Hitbox for the PS4 events, and Kitsune for PS5s. I mostly play on PC, but was looking at buying a PS5.
You can get a brook wingman fgc to adapt your hit box for ps5
How do you like the razer kitsune so far ? I am thinking of getting one
You won't need to remove the full bottom grip pad to pull that aluminum top panel off. There are little screws caps you can pull away to expose the screw heads. But yeah, this thing has good palm rest/wrist space, plays PS5, some subtle edge lighting, bigger buttons (than equivalent Micro stuff), and optical switches. Issues are one-note SOCD cleaning, weak wraps, $300, and no PS4 compatibility. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the optical switches after a couple weeks of practice. Can you feel any difference in game (faster actuation for faster punishes/checks) or is it too subtle for someone to reasonably tell?
I feel the difference in game, but it doesn’t have any real effect.
Past the lack of PS4 compatibility, lack of customization sucks. Snackboxes are within the same price bracket, work on all PS4 PS5 and even Xbox setups (ya never know when you might wanna slap up someone who got SF6 on their Xbox), and you can make and have whatever art you want on the top, customize the buttons etc. If I'm spending so much on a controller, I want to make it my own.
The USBC-lock feature is fantastic tho, hope to see it become industry standard
Yeah for the very serious player the lack of customization is big.
Removing the top case is with 9 screws hidden under some little plugs on the bottom. dont need to remove the whole rubber base. I'm also waiting for the template to try to get an artist to commission something
What I do with the rubber pads in my keyboards is I use double sided adhesive tape. I think peeling them off is a non-issue, just find very thick tape to stick it back in if you faff it up.
It’s weird entering the genre like two years ago on a fight stick. I still really like fight sticks but I want to explore leverless. Plus seeing the scene go full leverless makes me feel like i’m missing out.
No toggle for left stick/right stick/dpad and the SOCD cleaning isn't configurable, the switches are hotswap but so far razer doesn't sell them separately and keychron optical switches work with caveats. fancy little licensed controller, but buyer beware.
Yeah if you’re a serious gamer grab one of the more customizable ones.
I have a regular Hitbox. All these other leverless controllers look cool and all but it's hard to justify buying one when the Hitbox still works. If it ever breaks (hopefully not for a long time) then I'll probably check out the newfangled stuff. :)
A great comment
Serious question for leverless, Do people actually press up with their right thumb? Why do all of these controllers insist on giving players poor ergonomics by slamming the buttons next to each other in that compressed layout.
You can use both thumbs depending on the situation/preferences.
sometimes I use my right thumb, it depends on the combination of the inputs im doing
I've found myself only using my right thumb for up when I'm playing zangief. Helps with more consistent 360s
The compressed layout helps having a smaller hitbox but also not everyone have big hands/long fingers and that's also why 24mm buttons are more comfy than 30mm. I couldn't see myself play on leverless if buttons weren't as close as each other's because it would means my fingers would be stretched and during long sessions I would certainly start to feel it.
I use right thumb 100%
I returned mine, only worth buying if you play on PS5 and PC if not don’t get it, snackbox is more worth it.
The buttons are soooo nice though.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI where did you get your custom case for your snack-box it looks very nice.
So I use Razer Blackwidow for general gaming, and that also runs a laser for inputs. (I use a TES+ for fg's)
It's like, you would think it's like overblown what laser inputs do for you, right? but when I first got it, I had to get used to my inputs being so fast while PC gaming. its very sensitive in a accurate way. It makes normal mechanical keys feel slow, like makes you feel not sharp by comparison once you get used to it.
I am so happy the kitsune has lasers, that's so sick to see a fighting game controllers are starting to try it ^,^b
Optical parts have been used in fighting game controllers here and there for a long time, both in custom builds and in standard retail products, though mostly the levers. I have only seen one or two brands of optical buttons in the past and havent used those myself. My oldest retail stick with an optical lever is one for the Dreamcast. I am not sure if it is cost that makes optical parts less common, but I dont often hear of them being very sought by the average FG player either. Maybe the companies don't see enough demand to make them worth implementing.
Glad to know I wasn’t imagining things.
Probably won't get a Kitsune because of how quiet it is. I use the button sound to realize what went wrong when I mess something up, lol. I can hear the clickety-clacks, and know if I went to fast or slow.
I already have the mpress but it’s too loud gaming at night. How does this compare in quality to the mpress? And how much quieter is it?
Wait for the next video that's going to be uploaded tonight, it goes over a silent controller.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI awesome. Looking forward to it. Has been such a bummer not getting to use my mpress and victrix and going back to pad has been tough.
Yes! For years lasers have been the stuff of villains....then they sorta just fell off. I'm glad to see they're making a comeback.
Been looking to make the leap from my ps5 controller to a leverless. Just the look of it has me sold. I like thats its ominous and sleek looking..that TRON edition.
commenting on every video before Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 67.
Dayum...
I was waiting for your review regarding this ,, thank you.
Yeah the non-PS4 support is a huge kill on buying this. Even games that have a PS5 version don't even run it on PS5, they run it on PS4 Pro. That includes EVO that has the Sony sponsorship. IDK what razer was thinking but that alone just kills it. Having to get a convertor to go back to PS4 is just more money and eventually just leading you to buy another leverless controller that has more options.
Well, SF6 is primarily run on PS5. But yeah, no PS4 support is an issue.
@@Neoxon619 True, but think about games like Strive and KOF15, even though they have PS5 versions everyone plays the PS4 pro version to allow more players. I could see this product being a huge hit in a couple years since every game will HAVE to be ran on PS5 but atm it's comes down to pure incompetence.
hey I got mine couple days ago, pretty good, I have it on tekken 7 on ps5 and PC so pretty good deal, I will be using this for many years to come. he's right about the design/ lack of design. Another thing that is not the best is the default aluminin cover is a finger Magnet. Lasty when you connect to the ps5, press the PS button with the Lock switch unlock.
Enjoy it!
I've finally embraced the cheat box now that it's officially PS5-licensed and codified into tournament rules and everything and it feels pretty good. It's true that it would be nice if it were more customizable but this one really feels like it's thought through the implications of being a different device instead of just being a half-assed conversion of an arcade stick. Still a little awkward for me compared to a stick but even day one it's not that bad. I think I may be converting to a full-time player on this thing.
How have you got on?
@@jinyuichi6460 I stuck with it for a few months and then went back to playing on stick. lol
@@jinyuichi6460 I thought I replied but it disappeared. Anyway I stuck with it a few months but then I went back to stick.
2:31 I think for their fight stick they eventually released a clear cover for it. I think they mentioned they were gonna do the same for this down the line.
Skins will be the only custom option. There's no way to put an acrylic top on it. And acrylic would add to the thickness.
If the micro switches die they specifically have that in the guarantee as user error, so hold that if you already bought one 💀
Does that mean you can't play a Ps4 game on a ps5 with this?
I could tell from the thumbnail that it'd be covered in fingerprints. That thing about to be clogged up with Cheeto dust 😂
I had only been using it for an hour, too 😭
I might buy this as an online only warrior since it's actually available where I live and my main problem with the hitbox is how big and clunky it is
I was hoping this was gonna fix the availability issue of leverless controllers in Europe, but at 350 euros it's just about as much as importing a PS5 compatible one out of the US. I'm really wondering if this is worth that obscene amount or I'm better off waiting for Hori to put out something similar at a cheaper price.
I got the kitsune a couple days ago! It's really nice and clean. It's my first hitbox and I play on a panthera evo. I'm starting to get comfy with it and having a good experience in tekken. The buttons are really nice. good hitbox imo
Best buttons.
Can you wave dash on it?
yeah but it takes a bit of practice. I can barely kbd on tekken on it but on stick I can easy @@Gimmeyoosoul
I refused to pay full retail for this, but I was able to get one for under 200 and it is absolutely amazing.
Yeah it’s my favorite, but too expensive at full price.
Does the kitsune get hot?
No.
I love the controller but hate it when it comes to tekken, its easy for me to mistake how much pressure im placing on the buttons because they're so soft which can mess up my inputs
How do people with smallish hands feel about this controller? I'm looking for a controller that I won't have to stretch my fingers too much to be able to place my fingertips in the center of buttons.
If you want a small controller you can try Snackbox
First ....
Hit Box Review.
1:05 Shoot Lasers you say... 😈😈😈
it seems short on the width, can this sit on your lap comfortably?
I got the XL SnackBox and that boy is wide
I still use a TE2 been wanting to give leverless a shot.
Are the sizes and spacing of the buttons different between kitsune vs snackbox. Thank you.
Kitsune is more spread out.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Thank you very much.
Can you play any game with this controller, or is it just for fighting games? I have to switch (carpal tunnel).
Not ANY game, but games that don't require Analog Sticks work well. I'd recommend a cheaper one to start though.
300 bucks and they couldn't add a PS4 mode?
Been using it for a few days as my first leverless and while I absolutely LOVE it, holy hell, is adjusting just pure hell. Doing double qcb motions for the critical arts with my ring finger has been soooo frustrating, please tell me it gets better soon lol
It gets better, tbf on other games you can do the shortcut for double qcb but the normal motion is not that bad once you get the hang of it.
@@CineGoodog yeah, three weeks in and it's much better, just gotta stick with it
Thinking of either this or the Victrix FS-12 - which seems better since FS is only 70 more than SF6 versions?
Ive been using the victrix for 5 months or so now. Love it. Its big and heavy compaired to these but it feels great on the lap. Super responsive. It does cost a lot though compaired to some other options out there.
@buttersthecat7857 thanks! Am considering ordering the purple one and replacing with other sanwa buttons for nicer colors - I don't mind the price, more looking for the most durable between the 2 since the kitsune looks rather thin and I'm used to Razer Panthera (non Evo).
The fs-12 is nice but it is much bigger so just depends what your use case is. I have a snackbox micro and fs-12 and the latter tends to stay home for me since I bring a levered arcade controller with me as well. I also did not like the way the 24mm sanwas felt for the directional buttons on the fs-12, so I swapped those out but that incurred extra cost. I used the kitsune at EVO and liked it enough to preordee an SF6 model. It will likely replace my snackbox for a travel leverless, and I like the kitsune stock buttons wayyyyy more than the stock sanwas on the fs-12.
For me personally the Victrix is too big/heavy. I think Snackbox Micro or the new Nano are probably the best all around.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI But isn’t the Nano not much cheaper than the Kitsune & not really customizable after the fact at all?
Does it use synapse? Because razer software is ass.
Doesn’t matter if snackbox or kitsune is better when I have both. 😎
Yoh illu Im a new fighting game player zangief main and I just bought the kitsune was playing on pad and I’ve noticed it’s soo much faster input so much cleaner. Combos and cancels are easier minus the fact I’m day 2 leverless it’s a bit more competitive advantage
It’s definitely fast.
Pre-ordered and already claiming to be the next evo champ. 😅 I'm getting the cammy version
dude, i'll take a mass produced hitbox at this point.
Being locked into Capcom socd is a huge deal breaker! Also I wouldn't say this is the cleanest controller, this thing is a fingerprint magnet lol.
It definitely is lol
so does this mean its not tournament legal?
Is it can be use on pc?
Yes
You already put me on the snackbox micro theres no going back for me
That’s a great choice, no need to switch.
Silent controller + a box = full stealth!
another con (as of now) is that the SOCD is locked to neutral for up + down (sf6 style). hope they give us options in the future
Oooooof that’s a big L for me since I use the Classic style.
Can i use it on switch?
I dunno!
349$ .WTF.It's for the rich
i need a lab monster to test these laser claims
Does it work on Xbox series x?
I don’t think so, it’s a Sony licensed product.
I really don’t need this. But I really want it. Affirm looking real enticing right now for $25 a month. I just don’t have to eat out one day and there’s my monthly payment lol.
K lever hurting my shoulder need to jump to leverless 😥
Just don't hurt your hands.
But does it have a headphone jack?
No
Kitsune seems nice but I think I’d like a Micro XL better. Hard to tell without trying first
Honestly, as a casual I am baffled that none of these arcade sticks and leverless controllers have Bluetooth or 2.4 GHz wireless, and that Razer opted to not include one. I know it's a product intended for a more "hardcore" audience, even though the vast majority of people who buy these controllers statistically will never even enter a tournament or go to a local, otherwise all of these stick makers are competing for like, what, only 3000 people in the entire world in the market for buying a stick/leverless AND go to tournaments, and once they buy one they keep it for like 5 years...??
I get that people don't want input delay or interference with the signal, but giving us the choice won't hurt anyone. There is literally no video game controller released in the last like 10 years over $50 that doesn't have Bluetooth or wireless functionality. Even "hardcore" custom controllers for fps games like Battle Beaver or Scuf that cost hundreds of dollars still leave in the Bluetooth module. You have so much space inside such a wide controller, it's unimaginable to me that no one thought of putting one in.
Wireless stick that worked well would be amazing.
My main complaint with every single hitbox controller remains the same, I know it's the superior controller in terms of speed, but I cannot stand how damn close the buttons are to each other, and I mean the my hands are literally touching each other while I play with a hitbox, I know it a niche complaint, but it drives me insane that the buttons aren't properly space from each other, like for example, I think the sweetspot for space would be the type of space you have inherently in a keyboard when you're typing, you always have space for each hand and each hand has its own space to work with, I want that for a hitbox controller, if it wasn't for that, I would defenetly buy one just to learn and play stuff, but every single one I see is exactly the same, and I had not see one with enough space in between, I would build one, but it would be more effort and I don't really have execution problems.
The reason the directions and attacks are so close is so you can use your right thumb to jump. That makes certain techniques much easier.
@@JELIFISH19 Nah bro, the point of the hitbox is speed, now if you told me that there where certain up up inputs I would totally agree with you on that since you could up with your left and right hand for a piano input without letting go of your main directions, and so far that has never being an input in a game to my knowledge, even as a movement option y doesn't really require that level of necessity.
@@ZeroillusionX it's not just speed but also precision. There are plenty of motions that are way more difficult to do with one hand. Jumping with your right hand makes a lot of instant air moves much easier. It's really hard to press the up for just 1-2 frames with your left hand because you also have to release the up button up to do the motion. So going from up to down is much easier and faster if you use your right hand for up. The same is true for going down to up for super jumps especially if you're already holding a direction. Using your right hand to jump is also much more precise for jump cancelled moves. You can press up and the button at the same time very consistently.
@@JELIFISH19 that's actually scientifically not true, while I understand what you mean in terms of theory in practice is completely untrue, because it has to do with how the brain works, your brain is wired in a way that you are naturally faster on inputs with one hand, instant air moves or tiger knee inputs are not easier by doing that, it's actually much harder because what you're doing is put stress in your brain to follow a set timing, that timing is not taken into account when using a hand, you're confusing this with stick theory, if we where talking about using 2 sticks to input up and down, then yes, because that is something that has being tested throughly.
The issue here is button presses, you have 4 buttons for directions and usually 8 for attacks, the thumb is usually the slowest moving finger in terms of reactions relative to the others, if you add this other layer of downtime you're making it harder for yourself not the other way around, you can press buttons faster and far more precise with 1 hand because one hand is already wired to have a rithm build into it because of how our brains works.
Now, im saying that what you state is factually wrong, but, just because it's wrong it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, if you like doing your inputs like that, nothing is stoping you and if you like playing like that, you should absolutely play how you like and nobody should stop you, my whole argument is that to me the buttons being too close is insanely bothersome and I had not find a hitbox on a reasonable price that have enough space for me, and again, I sadly cannot afford a custom made one since it would means spending money that I can spend in something else.
@@ZeroillusionX your thumb may be the slowest finger but you have your whole hand. And you have 2 two hands. You don't just rely on your fingers when playing on stick or hitbox. It's not like a keyboard. Separating the work between two hands is way faster when you only have a few frames to hit 4 buttons.
Will it work on PS6?
Probably.
The other big caveat for this is the proprietary parts. When one of the buttons inevitably fails, its gonna be really expensive to replace it.
I hope this gets pointed out when people purchase this. I also hope the warranty for this is extensive because potential customers are paying A LOT already to even get this and when something fails after a certain amount of time, they cant easily replace parts like other custom sticks/leverless controllers.
People are saying you can swap to non-Razer buttons.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Correct, Keychron switches work & they’re cheap.
I don’t play fighting games on PS5. Can we get some Xbox controller reviews?
Any controller with a Brooks board (newer Snackbox, MPress, etc.) will work on Xbox.
Snackbox micro is still the king of leverless.
Hard to beat.
That is some good quality hardware. I would get one if I didn't had the snackbox already.
Yeah no need to switch if you have Snackbox
If you decide its not a fit after a while can I have it lol.
Nice, with the power of RBG lighting I can finally start hitting my combos
I need MORE lights!
Do they sell the replaceable top plate yet? I was gonna take the cammy one off and just keep it and use a black one
Not yet I think.
I just bought one last night, I hope it works with my mayflash adapter so I can use it on my Xbox’s series X.
IT GOT LASERS ATTACH TO THEIR FREAKING HEADS!
Aight bought one to dominate my local ty 🙏🏿
Hope your local is on PS5 lol
NO PS4!???? WHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!??????? I'm so sad rn. This looks so good, but it will be a hard pass for me. Can't afford to pay such amount to not be able to use it to my friends house or locals... + one of the reason we buy these compact, light weight leverless controlers is so that we can carry them some other place? What were they thinking...
I wonder if the ps5 to ps4 converter works on it? Could be a solution but it’ll cost extra
Yup, get what works best for you.
"Can you hear?"...Keeps talking... "Can you hear?"... still f*cking talking
Literally 2 seconds after you have the quiet button check.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I’m just messing man. Great video.
I recently received mine today and I really love it
It's my main controller. Just a bit pricy.
The price and the dumb SOCD solution makes this a hard sell.
im guessing v2 will have rgb switches lol
LOVE mine
Its is beautiful but is a fingerprint magnet
Props for their usb solution (usb-c is fragile af)
But i still hate razer
13inch laptop case prob
look at it, so clean, so sleek, so thin. such good sounding buttons. 10/10 and I haven't even touched it.
i got one too. its nice but my hands do not enjoy learning how to use it. =/
It takes a long time.
i like how many people got this stick for review say it the best because ya want too get another free item from them for me i am good now the haute pro g13 stick i am good that is in my budget this no 300 for this hell na
I have a Haute review as well. I recommend the Haute to everyone because of the price, but Kitsune is my favorite (too expensive though).
For $300? Nah... lol
I use an 15'' laptop case for the mpress, this one looks similar in size, try that!
I'm dying to give the Kitsune a try but my poor Brazilian Bucks can't afford it, mpress was too much already lmao RAZER SPONSOR ME!
I use my keyboard….
That works!
I was a month ago to see if leverless was for me. Then I got cheap 3D printed one off Etsy for $55, works pretty well for daily casual player like myself. I will eventually get a "better" one but I cant justify the price tag on some of these just to play the dern game lol. Leverless is defiantly better than stick, I'm not going back to that.
Why is it so expensive
All controllers are super expensive, unfortunately.
Based Jiyuna calling Chun Li and Cammy ugly. Also, lower latency sounds good, but I like my devices to have that loud mechanical sound.
Looks great but the price tag is a joke for how few systems it is compatible with out of the box
Ballers only for sure
cool video. Unfortunately it has no SOCD cleaning maybe they can fix that with a firmware update. I would have kind of expected that of a 300 bucks controller.
Yeah that’s big
I don't even buy razer pc products because of the razer tax.
It is quite a co incidence that i was searching a good review for this yesterday and you posted this video 1 hour ago 😮.. Is Allah hinting me to buy this 😅