In 1959, shortly after the track opened in Daytona, the Sumar Special Streamline was testing this very concept. G-loads in the banking caused it to bottom out and the resulting crash killed the driver, Marshall Teague. Bill France, Sr. said no more and that was that. Could they run it today? Maybe...but the speeds would likely be close to 250mph and the safety of the fans and drivers would be questionable.
If the cockpit of the cars are modified to make it so that the drivers don't absorb the impact, then they should be a-okay. Remember NASCAR'S C.O.T. (Car of Tomorrow)? Now imagine those cars & their safety features built into the F1 car's chassis. They'd be a little slower, but considering how FAST they are, I'd say it'd be a small price to pay for the driver's safety.
The banking. The extreme speed combined with the G's from 31° of banking would cause drivers to black out. A CART race at Texas Motor Speedway was cancelled because drivers were "greying out". Also, the insane speeds would cause HORRIFIC crashes. Cars would be going into the catch fence. Remember Dan Wheldon and Tony Renna. The last time IndyCars DID race at Daytona was 1959; cars were hitting 180mph - in 1959 - and two drivers were killed.
It's not just the drivers, it's the fans. You go into a corner at 240 miles an hour and wreck, there's no way you're going to keep all that damage on the track.
@@bullainsworth3130 yes, they go into the corner at Indianapolis at those speeds. However, at a higher banked racetrack, your entry speeds into the corners are even higher. And you don't let off. Look what happened at texas. Banked race tracks will allow too much speed for Indy cars. That's what AJ foyt told us back in the late sixties.
They tested those Indy cars at Texas in the spring of that year. The drivers were experiencing blackouts in the turns. Why did they wait until the night before that Texas race to cancel it? It never made sense to me.
I still have an original Play Station, that I used to run the PPG Indycar World Series on. You could run the whole series, or pick a track to run however many laps you wanted. My favorite was the full 500 miles at MIS. Once you got into a rhythm, you could run laps in the mid 240's. By the time you ran all 500 miles, you were worn out mentally. It was great fun.
The IndyCar PS1 game remains one of my all time PS platform games. There is supposed to be a new version for the PS5 next year, it was supposed to release this year. I’d be thrilled if it’s as good as Assetto Corsa.
@@rickb2432 the Motorsport Games one is dead. iRacing now has the license but you'll have to wait till after NASCAR's 2025 game is near it's end of development for the possibility of news
When the indy cars first attempted to run at Texas over 20 years ago, the race was cancelled because the G forces were so high that it caused a very serious possibility of drivers losing consciousness. Daytona is a mile longer, higher banking and no reason to ever lift. Besides the obvious reason, secondary problems could easily surface in fatigue of components, including tires.
Indycar once had scheduled a race at Talladega, which has more or less identical design to Daytona, but it was eventually cancelled after they did track testing a few months before and discovered that it was so dangerous, that any crash that would happen in the race would lead to the certain death of at least some of the drivers. The amount of banking at talladega and daytona is such that it's like they're not even turning left, but instead are driving upwards. They of course are still turning left but the point is the fact it's angled so that it's more going uphill than it is going left (like at indianapolis which has no banking, so the left turns are completely left turns, no going upwards) makes it so they don't ever have to break and instead just keep going at full acceleration. Which is fine in a stock car when people are far better protected. But in an open wheel car it's just too dangerous, any contact with other cars, especially in pack racing, would lead to tons of cars being collected and almost certain death of drivers. Even today with the windshield thing indycars have where if the car flips upside down they don't land on their heads anymore, it'd still just be too dangerous. I do wish the opposite would happen though. For nascar to race at an indycar circuit, namely the oval track at Indianapolis. I know they didn't have great fan turnout, but few nascar races do anymore sadly. The brickyard 400 was completely unique on the nascar calendar because of how flat the track is unlike the ovals nascar usually race on. It required a whole different style of driving and different car set ups compared to something like daytona.
Ims has banking it just isn't much, and the drivers are pulling 4 lateral g's and 2 positive g's during each corner during the 500, it's nuts. But the banking at Daytona would likely have them pulling 6 or 7 positive g's, which is fighter pilot level. At that point if you mess up your breathing you pass out and it's a guaranteed bad day for pretty much everyone in the vicinity, crowd included
@@charliesmith7942 Indycars exceed 230mph at Indianapolis. Could easily go faster at daytona which with the banking could cause drivers blacking out. And even if not, do you have any idea how dangerous an accident would be at those sustained speeds?
It'd be sweet if the cars always landed, spun like that, and at the end, pop right back over to do it all over again. Hellava lot less body damage, that's for sure.
Yeah, I knew something was up when the car got so close to the inside corner on the last turn but wasn’t sure why they lost control when/like they did. The comical spinning around like a top and no one running out on the track after it stopped was a dead giveaway.
Also if anaccident the carbon fiber debris would take an extensive cleanup (time wise) . This is the reason they stopped doing a race at Dover as the long yellow flags left little time for racing .
I may to be mistaken, but I guess the only way for the IndyCar Series run at Daytona it would be using the same road course track that is used at 24 Hours of Daytona. I guess that G force wouldn't so strong over drivers. A IndyCar racing machine running on the Daytona's oval track would be a madness and a lot dangerous.
@andresmontero9755 Yes, you told correctly: a stock car may running at Daytona's oval track... but not an open wheels car. In 1959, there was an Indy/USAC racing at Daytona's oval. The speeds were so high that happened in which several cars has crashed and sadly three drivers passed away at same time in that crash. Therefore, the best option for IndyCar to run at Daytona is using the roval track used during 24 Hours of Daytona.
With the banking at Daytona, an Indy Car rigged for Indianapolis would be able to run pretty much flat out. The sustained speeds would be over 240mph and drivers would lose consciousness from G forces on the banking.
Daytona and Talladega give those badass cars an opportunity to go TOO DAMN FAST !.. that's why. Stock cars would be too fast too, but they are artificially slowed down by the rules.
Nice Iracing demo, but I'm pretty sure irl everything but the driver cockpit would be obliterated and the driver lucky to be alive.... The sppeds indycar carries well over 200mph Nascar barely gets to 200mph anymore with restrictor plates and for good reason otherwise the same thing would happen...
There was a time when NASCAR was seeing 200mph. Full STOCK body cars, 400 plus cubic inch motors. Crashes were frightening. No one wanted see a driver die.
@@PhotonBread Yeah i agree thats why i said Daytona of some Sort idk how theyd configure it but itd be cool. Roval at Charlotte could work wonders IMO. Think of a weekend where Nascar goes to the Indy GP weekend again followed by Indycar joining Nascar at one of its marquee tracks at the Roval for the weekend I think thatd be something worth looking into. the banking at Charlotte isnt far off what they Already have run Las Vegas,Texas and Charlotte are all identical so i think it would be a fun one to see. Likely will never happen but would love to see.
@@DSmith1997 I live in Indy and I’m excited to go to the Trucks at IRP on Friday, Indy and Xfinity Saturday, and NASCAR Sunday. I would be willing to travel to Charlotte 100% to see that. I think Indy could handle Charlotte. Might be a bit rough though, I’ve heard it’s become quite abrasive on the cars
@@PhotonBread They could safely run at Daytona with the road kit, which would top out at a little over 200 MPH and take longer to get to that speed. However, that probably won't happen anyway since NASCAR owns the track.
I am more curious why such large racing facilities as Daytona run so few events annually and remain relatively dormant otherwise. They could configure a suitable 3/8 to half mile course for a promoter to hold monthly, it not weekly, Saturday night events for the local asphalt short track racers when cup activity isn't scheduled. Of course that won't fill the stands, but could generate additional cash flow to the owners and be a win-win for their community, especially as more short tracks get turned into housing or commercial developments.
They rent the track out. You might find a regular car test running there. Say Ford want to see how a Fiesta acts after 500, 1000 miles. They have people get behind the wheel and drive at 55mph for 500 miles or whatever they want to test. Tire companies may test some regular road tires or some rich guys rent the track for a day so they can run their private cars there. There are some bike races there sometimes. It generates other revenue that is not publicized. Crowds are expensive to insure so unless there is a substantial profit, they aren't going to run something there that isn't cost effective.
The fact is that any race series CAN rent the track and open it to the public and race almost every weekend if they want, but the fees for the track are way too high for most circuits (or any amateur setup). The track has to make sure it's in good, operating order before and, more importantly, after it's used, fixing all issues, cleaning the track and the stands/washrooms/concessions etc. The whole thing costs a small fortune to operate and @kowalski3769 is right - the insurance for a public event (on top of normal track insurance) is probably the biggest, single expense of all.
They do run Events there yeat round. And some big name ones at that. And if you think a 3/8 short track would provide extra cashflow for NASCAR with a Track like Daytona its a Drop in the Bucket. Short tracks dont make money really
No actual Indycar fan prefers road courses to superspeedways. Racing on road courses has its place but it’s superspeedways that are the competition apex.
They did race there and it was a huge disaster. I don’t remember the story, but I think there were several big crashes and one or two drivers were killed.
The driver should have never gotten down to the yellow lines. The pitch of the corner is gone, and that portion of the track is dead flat. That transition is what got the car loose. Had he stayed above those twin yellow lines this would not have happened.
No way. Daytona is longer corner than Texas or Atlanta. Would be easier on tires and suspension. The sharper the corner ( like Bristol) would be way more taxing on the cars
I believe Indycar drivers would pass out similar to Texas years ago. I did the RP driving experience at Daytona and sadly I only got to a little over 150 at end of backstretch BUT when you hit the banking in the corners you can feel your ass get planted down into the seat and I was below 150 so surely the G's are multiplied at higher speeds.
Above average person can take 7+ g's in loading up. Race drivers FAR exceed this. The problem was with fatigue and that schmo, Eddie Cheever running his mouth about that whichm apparently, HE couldn't withstand?
@@warrenholmes3311 Look up Mark Donahue setting the world record for closed circuit land speed. He did it at Talladega which is very similar in design and amount of banking as Daytona. He said at those speeds, you begin to black out, you forget where you are and what you're doing, and it takes a miracle to be able to hold on and not crash because of it, the G-Forces involved are just that high. And remember, Mark Donahue was an F1 driver, so he already dealt with high g-forces for his day job, he was very used to it, yet even for him these speeds and the g-forces involved made him start to black out. You need to be an air force jet pilot, or an astronaut, to be able to handle these kinds of g-forces, and even then it takes years of training in those spinning g-force machines.
Indycar did some kind of running at Daytona a few years ago. Nothing official, trying to check out the road course, and they found the transitions between the apron and the backing were too severe for the cars, and would cause too many problems in a race.
The actual reason is that open wheel racing isn’t possible when cars often side swipe each other as part of the racing. (Rubber to rubber contact creates an instant flip up so would ultimately be deadly)..
just say at maybe at 250 mph if a few cars touch wheels, they may be able to clear the catch fence when they go airborne.GOD help the thousands in the stands when it hits them.if just a 5 pound part hits you at 200+ mph, its probably a fatality.memories of the 1955 le mans disaster.DONT NEED THAT AGAIN.
Didnt read all comments but in the ones I did read nobody mentioned trying to keep that F1 engine alive at WOT for lap after lap. And if an engine lets go at those speeds on the banking then you are eating wall. Oh and BTW Nascar if you want to make the super speedways more interesting, ditch the restrictor plates and decrease downforce and tire size. Let the drivers skills determine who wins.
It used to be that way. It got to the point cars were launching themselves into the fences quite often. . The last restrictor plate race was in 2019. Now they use a tapered plate to reduce horsepower at all tracks.
So what is the reason then? All I saw was some guy spinning out of a corner which happens anywhere, even at Indy itself. If you are going to make videos like this at least either provide some commentary, subtitles or an explanation in the description!
what if your favorite race car driver dies? What is someone in the stand dies? Driver safety is 100% priority rn in Motorsport, and if fans don't like it, then I guess they don't like motorsport, despite what they say (no offensive intention)
No, it was not a test session, it was twin USAC races. And George Amick was exiting the West turn onto the back straightaway, the car experienced aerodynamic lift and rolled over. The old Indy car roll bars were not high enough and substantial enough…Amick lost his head. I was there, 10 years old, and focused on the turn as it happened. The test session prior to this was when Marshall Teague was killed. After the twin USAC races and Amick’s death Bill France outlawed Indy cars from running, permanently.
I mean... thats kind of the point though right? The fact that such a simple mistake becoming an instant life threatening situation for multiple drivers and possible the fans... Definitely driver error though
Indy car used to race at MIS in MI on its high banking for a number of years. There were a number of bad crashes there, but they still held the race there. The official reason for ending it there was lack of attendance.
Oh yes it is high banked. With the Porsche club, I have done more than a few laps at that track. I did the turns at about 140mph never slowing down for the turn. I would imagine Daytona may have a higher banking, but MIS is definitely pretty high.
Additional fencing or other measures to protect fans, possibly more robust suspensions, power assisted steering and g suits could make it possible. It would be remarkable to see a race like this however.
USAC tried in the 50s or 60s. A wreck killed spectators, if I'm recalling correctly, and they cancelled the race in the middle of the event weekend and haven't been back.
Death has always been a consequence of pushing the envelope. Be it racing, mountain climbing, wing suit flying, and on and on and on- you play with fire, you get burned. Personally I don't see the point, but they'll always be a faction of those who must, consequently those who will die.
I Like IndyCars!!! They are fast but the only reason why they cannot race is because they Can turn really easily making the Car flip over!!! If that is what’s behind the physics!!!
In 1959, shortly after the track opened in Daytona, the Sumar Special Streamline was testing this very concept. G-loads in the banking caused it to bottom out and the resulting crash killed the driver, Marshall Teague. Bill France, Sr. said no more and that was that. Could they run it today? Maybe...but the speeds would likely be close to 250mph and the safety of the fans and drivers would be questionable.
Also heavily reinforce the cars so that if they eventually crash, they don't immediately DISINTEGRATE.
@@captainfordo3978But then the driver absorbs all that impact.
If the cockpit of the cars are modified to make it so that the drivers don't absorb the impact, then they should be a-okay. Remember NASCAR'S C.O.T. (Car of Tomorrow)? Now imagine those cars & their safety features built into the F1 car's chassis. They'd be a little slower, but considering how FAST they are, I'd say it'd be a small price to pay for the driver's safety.
Restrictors to slow them down to about 195 would solve that issue. Cup cars run restrictor plates to this day at Daytona and Talladega
@rdsii64 Yeah but then they'd have pack racing and another deadly disaster like Las Vegas where Wheldon got killed.
The banking. The extreme speed combined with the G's from 31° of banking would cause drivers to black out. A CART race at Texas Motor Speedway was cancelled because drivers were "greying out". Also, the insane speeds would cause HORRIFIC crashes. Cars would be going into the catch fence. Remember Dan Wheldon and Tony Renna. The last time IndyCars DID race at Daytona was 1959; cars were hitting 180mph - in 1959 - and two drivers were killed.
I was going to point that out but you beat me to it
Got all the way to the track for the cancel that day
The Indy 500 has seen speeds over 237 mph. Do you even know what you’re talking about?
@@Tenn1972 set by Arie Luyendyk of The Netherlands, in a Reynard.
Yes. Yes, I do.
@@Tenn1972 That's a completely different track with different safety standards and a different angle on the banking, not relevant at all.
It's not just the drivers, it's the fans. You go into a corner at 240 miles an hour and wreck, there's no way you're going to keep all that damage on the track.
They already enter corners at Indianapolis at over 240. It’s the banking that’s the issue.
@@bullainsworth3130 yes, they go into the corner at Indianapolis at those speeds. However, at a higher banked racetrack, your entry speeds into the corners are even higher. And you don't let off. Look what happened at texas. Banked race tracks will allow too much speed for Indy cars. That's what AJ foyt told us back in the late sixties.
They could put the fans ( all 3 thousand of them) in the infield
@@russellcurrie6099 😂
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. It happens at Indy and yes, it stays on the track.
Many years ago, CART tried to race Texas, when qualifing speeds hit 242 and the G-force exceed 4Gs they called the race off.
I was there. They were so insanely fast, and the drivers were complaining of blackouts.
For that reason, NASCAR only races at Daytona. Only NASCAR
@@andresmontero9755and imsa technically on the roval
They tested those Indy cars at Texas in the spring of that year. The drivers were experiencing blackouts in the turns. Why did they wait until the night before that Texas race to cancel it? It never made sense to me.
Amazing
I still have an original Play Station, that I used to run the PPG Indycar World Series on. You could run the whole series, or pick a track to run however many laps you wanted. My favorite was the full 500 miles at MIS. Once you got into a rhythm, you could run laps in the mid 240's. By the time you ran all 500 miles, you were worn out mentally. It was great fun.
Nothing to do with a video game.
The IndyCar PS1 game remains one of my all time PS platform games.
There is supposed to be a new version for the PS5 next year, it was supposed to release this year.
I’d be thrilled if it’s as good as Assetto Corsa.
@@rickb2432 Doesn't seem like it's coming out, hopefully iRacing can pick up the license again and make a console game.
@@GageHeibeck we can hope.
@@rickb2432 the Motorsport Games one is dead. iRacing now has the license but you'll have to wait till after NASCAR's 2025 game is near it's end of development for the possibility of news
When the indy cars first attempted to run at Texas over 20 years ago, the race was cancelled because the G forces were so high that it caused a very serious possibility of drivers losing consciousness. Daytona is a mile longer, higher banking and no reason to ever lift. Besides the obvious reason, secondary problems could easily surface in fatigue of components, including tires.
The way the driver balanced the car on top of his head at 1:02...impressive.
That’s the camera
@@melvinpearse5630 Nah, it was on his melon the whole time..thas' why he was wearin' tha' special whirlygig helmet deal..
@@MillicentSquirrelHole Zippy the cone head was behind the wheel:)
He's going to try out for Olympic break dancing.
@@phlodel GMTA.
Indycar once had scheduled a race at Talladega, which has more or less identical design to Daytona, but it was eventually cancelled after they did track testing a few months before and discovered that it was so dangerous, that any crash that would happen in the race would lead to the certain death of at least some of the drivers.
The amount of banking at talladega and daytona is such that it's like they're not even turning left, but instead are driving upwards. They of course are still turning left but the point is the fact it's angled so that it's more going uphill than it is going left (like at indianapolis which has no banking, so the left turns are completely left turns, no going upwards) makes it so they don't ever have to break and instead just keep going at full acceleration. Which is fine in a stock car when people are far better protected. But in an open wheel car it's just too dangerous, any contact with other cars, especially in pack racing, would lead to tons of cars being collected and almost certain death of drivers. Even today with the windshield thing indycars have where if the car flips upside down they don't land on their heads anymore, it'd still just be too dangerous.
I do wish the opposite would happen though. For nascar to race at an indycar circuit, namely the oval track at Indianapolis. I know they didn't have great fan turnout, but few nascar races do anymore sadly. The brickyard 400 was completely unique on the nascar calendar because of how flat the track is unlike the ovals nascar usually race on. It required a whole different style of driving and different car set ups compared to something like daytona.
I think that was Daytona actually.
NASCAR attendance is up dramatically the past 2 seasons. I attended a sell out 2 weeks ago at Pocono. First sell out at Pocono since 1998.
@@Oz_Darkr1d3rWas there my self. A good race
Ims has banking it just isn't much, and the drivers are pulling 4 lateral g's and 2 positive g's during each corner during the 500, it's nuts. But the banking at Daytona would likely have them pulling 6 or 7 positive g's, which is fighter pilot level. At that point if you mess up your breathing you pass out and it's a guaranteed bad day for pretty much everyone in the vicinity, crowd included
@@Oz_Darkr1d3rIt was so packed. Cool as shit. Even Dale Jr said he hadn’t seen a track so packed for a long time
G-forces in the banking would get high enough to cause drivers to black out. Had this problem at Texas.
Not at Daytona. Not as sharp of a corner
@@charliesmith7942 Still 31 degrees of banking. Speeds could easily exceed 240-250mph. Would for sure cause driver's to black out.
@@ceeinfiniti1389 nascars did 220 mph back in the 80s before restricotor plates
@@charliesmith7942 Indycars exceed 230mph at Indianapolis. Could easily go faster at daytona which with the banking could cause drivers blacking out. And even if not, do you have any idea how dangerous an accident would be at those sustained speeds?
The IRL drivers were fine at TMS. It was CART's more powerful (significantly faster) Champ Cars whose drivers that had the problems.
I thought this was REAL footage until I saw the car pop itself back up 😂
"it's still real to me dammit!" :)
Plus the car didn't break apart. Carbon fiber breaks apart to reduce the impact to the driver.
It'd be sweet if the cars always landed, spun like that, and at the end, pop right back over to do it all over again. Hellava lot less body damage, that's for sure.
Yeah, I knew something was up when the car got so close to the inside corner on the last turn but wasn’t sure why they lost control when/like they did.
The comical spinning around like a top and no one running out on the track after it stopped was a dead giveaway.
@seanhartman6496, I figured the spin was the result of the car getting on the painted line on the turn. A little less traction there.
The IndyCar did a simulated lap in the 31-second bracket around the 2.5-mile tri-oval, and that translates to an average speed of over 290!
Ooooooooooooo I likeee 290
It’s probably more a speed and pack racing concern for accident into catch fence. They probably would be doing high 240’s or 250’s
I think the high banking would also be a big concern at those speeds
The G loads on the drivers would be way too high, like what happened at Texas many years ago where the drivers were starting to pass out.
Also if anaccident the carbon fiber debris would take an extensive cleanup (time wise) . This is the reason they stopped doing a race at Dover as the long yellow flags left little time for racing .
More like 270 or 80
1:00 *Proceeds To Play You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)
I may to be mistaken, but I guess the only way for the IndyCar Series run at Daytona it would be using the same road course track that is used at 24 Hours of Daytona. I guess that G force wouldn't so strong over drivers.
A IndyCar racing machine running on the Daytona's oval track would be a madness and a lot dangerous.
NASCAR also races at Daytona.
@andresmontero9755 Yes, you told correctly: a stock car may running at Daytona's oval track... but not an open wheels car.
In 1959, there was an Indy/USAC racing at Daytona's oval. The speeds were so high that happened in which several cars has crashed and sadly three drivers passed away at same time in that crash.
Therefore, the best option for IndyCar to run at Daytona is using the roval track used during 24 Hours of Daytona.
One of the penske drivers did a teat on the Daytona Road Course years,ago
With the banking at Daytona, an Indy Car rigged for Indianapolis would be able to run pretty much flat out. The sustained speeds would be over 240mph and drivers would lose consciousness from G forces on the banking.
Almost thought this was real until that last bounce at the end
Or the spinning on the driver's head. 😅
So you give official reasons by using a 20 year old game?
😂😂😂😂 omfg I could watch these all day
Bruh, donkeygat93?? Lmao
I'm glad you like video games
you enjoy seeing violent ossibly fatal accidents? even in a game format? hmmmm you might wanna see someone about that
Daytona and Talladega give those badass cars an opportunity to go TOO DAMN FAST !.. that's why. Stock cars would be too fast too, but they are artificially slowed down by the rules.
I visited Talledega museum there by the track. It has an awesome museum with many cars thru the years, wrecks too. Photos galore. Nice place.
The drivers felt like they were in a centrifuge at that speed. They quit running in Texas because they were starting to black out.
They still run Texas.
No, they were feeling bodily fatigued. There were no blackouts. The g-loading wasn't high enough.
No they don’t
All 267 likes are from the engineering team that designed the roll bar.
You mean the software engineers?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice Iracing demo, but I'm pretty sure irl everything but the driver cockpit would be obliterated and the driver lucky to be alive....
The sppeds indycar carries well over 200mph
Nascar barely gets to 200mph anymore with restrictor plates and for good reason otherwise the same thing would happen...
That dude had an extremely resilient head
There was a time when NASCAR was seeing 200mph. Full STOCK body cars, 400 plus cubic inch motors. Crashes were frightening. No one wanted see a driver die.
It took me a lap and a half to realize this was simulated. The graphics are that good!
You should visit a doctor and get your eyes checked asap
@@philipplutki You should visit a gun store and do humanity a favour, chucklefuck.
It wasn't till the wreck that I noticed something wasn't right, but I have an excuse I'm old.
Always thought seeing them race the Charlotte Roval would be cool even daytona Road course of some sort.
I think the problem with Roval layouts is they use too much of the oval for IndyCar. Daytona still uses most of the oval
@@PhotonBread Yeah i agree thats why i said Daytona of some Sort idk how theyd configure it but itd be cool. Roval at Charlotte could work wonders IMO. Think of a weekend where Nascar goes to the Indy GP weekend again followed by Indycar joining Nascar at one of its marquee tracks at the Roval for the weekend I think thatd be something worth looking into. the banking at Charlotte isnt far off what they Already have run Las Vegas,Texas and Charlotte are all identical so i think it would be a fun one to see. Likely will never happen but would love to see.
@@DSmith1997 I live in Indy and I’m excited to go to the Trucks at IRP on Friday, Indy and Xfinity Saturday, and NASCAR Sunday. I would be willing to travel to Charlotte 100% to see that. I think Indy could handle Charlotte. Might be a bit rough though, I’ve heard it’s become quite abrasive on the cars
@@PhotonBread oh i dont doubt it thats awesome IRP is a all time favorite for me glad its back. should be a hell of a weekend.
@@PhotonBread They could safely run at Daytona with the road kit, which would top out at a little over 200 MPH and take longer to get to that speed. However, that probably won't happen anyway since NASCAR owns the track.
I am more curious why such large racing facilities as Daytona run so few events annually and remain relatively dormant otherwise. They could configure a suitable 3/8 to half mile course for a promoter to hold monthly, it not weekly, Saturday night events for the local asphalt short track racers when cup activity isn't scheduled. Of course that won't fill the stands, but could generate additional cash flow to the owners and be a win-win for their community, especially as more short tracks get turned into housing or commercial developments.
They rent the track out. You might find a regular car test running there. Say Ford want to see how a Fiesta acts after 500, 1000 miles. They have people get behind the wheel and drive at 55mph for 500 miles or whatever they want to test. Tire companies may test some regular road tires or some rich guys rent the track for a day so they can run their private cars there. There are some bike races there sometimes. It generates other revenue that is not publicized. Crowds are expensive to insure so unless there is a substantial profit, they aren't going to run something there that isn't cost effective.
The fact is that any race series CAN rent the track and open it to the public and race almost every weekend if they want, but the fees for the track are way too high for most circuits (or any amateur setup). The track has to make sure it's in good, operating order before and, more importantly, after it's used, fixing all issues, cleaning the track and the stands/washrooms/concessions etc. The whole thing costs a small fortune to operate and @kowalski3769 is right - the insurance for a public event (on top of normal track insurance) is probably the biggest, single expense of all.
They do run Events there yeat round. And some big name ones at that. And if you think a 3/8 short track would provide extra cashflow for NASCAR with a Track like Daytona its a Drop in the Bucket. Short tracks dont make money really
Because there are several such tracks nearby...nascar sanctioned.
They should race the road course instead
Road racing is abysmal
@@STP43FAN1 Then you are not a true IndyCar fan
No actual Indycar fan prefers road courses to superspeedways. Racing on road courses has its place but it’s superspeedways that are the competition apex.
@@747RacingTeam TBF current indycars suck at road circuits.
I miss CART
@@FLMKane There is no way you are a true IndyCar fan if you hate road courses.. That's bonkers
DREIDEL DREIDEL DREIDEL, I MADE YOU OUT OF CLAY
IndyCar did race at Daytona back in the sixties. They were not doing 250 mph but they were there.
They did race there and it was a huge disaster. I don’t remember the story, but I think there were several big crashes and one or two drivers were killed.
It was 1959, one race, driver George Amick was killed, they never returned.
Just imagine a Indy calendar with Indianapolis 500 and Daytona 500
Holy S@$# that would be ridiculous
@@Real_CAM22bOnly NASCAR races at Daytona. Daytona is part of the NASCAR calendar.
@@andresmontero9755 Yeah, ur right :)
Ah, screw it, I say let do F1 and Talladega, drivers wear flight suits, no one allowed to sit in the first 35 rows.
...pressurized g suits.
That was the game players mistake. Not the tracks problem. Real or game.
That car held together better than nascar cars.
LMAO...I was gonna comment on da same!
Only in iRacing
When it's a computer program cars don't break at all
Computer models tend to do that
Total non sense. 240mph no different than Indy, MIS, OR TDG on the back straight in 1970 with X Band and Bias ply tires. Grow a pair!
Indy only has nine degrees of banking which allows the cars. Higher banking equals higher corn speeds and higher g forces.
The driver should have never gotten down to the yellow lines. The pitch of the corner is gone, and that portion of the track is dead flat. That transition is what got the car loose. Had he stayed above those twin yellow lines this would not have happened.
The right front suspension would fail because of the loading in the banking at 250 mph
Tire loads would probably go way outside spec too for long periods
No way. Daytona is longer corner than Texas or Atlanta. Would be easier on tires and suspension.
The sharper the corner ( like Bristol) would be way more taxing on the cars
I was expecting it to lift somewhere, honestly.
And you have to remember it’s only a game
🙄 they could race any ovals! Nascar has pushed them out of most of the places they used to race.
I believe Indycar drivers would pass out similar to Texas years ago. I did the RP driving experience at Daytona and sadly I only got to a little over 150 at end of backstretch BUT when you hit the banking in the corners you can feel your ass get planted down into the seat and I was below 150 so surely the G's are multiplied at higher speeds.
Above average person can take 7+ g's in loading up. Race drivers FAR exceed this. The problem was with fatigue and that schmo, Eddie Cheever running his mouth about that whichm apparently, HE couldn't withstand?
So NO PASS out situations if you are the average real-life Indy Car driver.
Arie Luyendyck ran a practice lap at 239.986 at Indy MANY years ago. It is said that his end of turn 1 trap speed was in excess of 250 mph.
@@warrenholmes3311 Look up Mark Donahue setting the world record for closed circuit land speed. He did it at Talladega which is very similar in design and amount of banking as Daytona. He said at those speeds, you begin to black out, you forget where you are and what you're doing, and it takes a miracle to be able to hold on and not crash because of it, the G-Forces involved are just that high.
And remember, Mark Donahue was an F1 driver, so he already dealt with high g-forces for his day job, he was very used to it, yet even for him these speeds and the g-forces involved made him start to black out. You need to be an air force jet pilot, or an astronaut, to be able to handle these kinds of g-forces, and even then it takes years of training in those spinning g-force machines.
Indycar did some kind of running at Daytona a few years ago. Nothing official, trying to check out the road course, and they found the transitions between the apron and the backing were too severe for the cars, and would cause too many problems in a race.
The actual reason is that open wheel racing isn’t possible when cars often side swipe each other as part of the racing. (Rubber to rubber contact creates an instant flip up so would ultimately be deadly)..
Every race would be fatal. Graveyard 500
That’s so true
Fatalities
I was at the Ferrari Finali Mondiali at Daytona in 2016 when Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel did the Road Course in their F1 Ferraris. Incredible!
I remember Indy cars at Richmond… like watching fish in a barrel…
just say at maybe at 250 mph if a few cars touch wheels, they may be able to clear the catch fence when they go airborne.GOD help the thousands in the stands when it hits them.if just a 5 pound part hits you at 200+ mph, its probably a fatality.memories of the 1955 le mans disaster.DONT NEED THAT AGAIN.
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner from the front angle
It landed upright after flipping over multiple times. Looks like it can run at Daytona to me! 😅
Didnt read all comments but in the ones I did read nobody mentioned trying to keep that F1 engine alive at WOT for lap after lap. And if an engine lets go at those speeds on the banking then you are eating wall. Oh and BTW Nascar if you want to make the super speedways more interesting, ditch the restrictor plates and decrease downforce and tire size. Let the drivers skills determine who wins.
It used to be that way. It got to the point cars were launching themselves into the fences quite often. . The last restrictor plate race was in 2019. Now they use a tapered plate to reduce horsepower at all tracks.
The doppler effect is crazy
Before Rusty retired. He ran some test at Talladega. He was turning 230 MPH in the strights and 218 MPH in the turns. No restricter plates
So what is the reason then? All I saw was some guy spinning out of a corner which happens anywhere, even at Indy itself. If you are going to make videos like this at least either provide some commentary, subtitles or an explanation in the description!
Massive g forces and tremendous speeds that could cause driver vertigo or blackouts ,plus regular Indy car tires couldnt handle the banking stress
Yeeaaahhhhhhh
Why should I care as a racing fan for driving safety?
what if your favorite race car driver dies? What is someone in the stand dies? Driver safety is 100% priority rn in Motorsport, and if fans don't like it, then I guess they don't like motorsport, despite what they say (no offensive intention)
Bros the type of person to make a 200 word essay into a 59,894 word essay 💀
Interesting fact: Indy Car used to race at Daytona in 1959, which they never returned because it was too dangerous to race.
That was a test session and I believe a driver died.
40 Open wheel cars on a banked oval 2 1/2 mile super speedway. I don't see any problems.. 😊
No, it was not a test session, it was twin USAC races. And George Amick was exiting the West turn onto the back straightaway, the car experienced aerodynamic lift and rolled over. The old Indy car roll bars were not high enough and substantial enough…Amick lost his head. I was there, 10 years old, and focused on the turn as it happened.
The test session prior to this was when Marshall Teague was killed. After the twin USAC races and Amick’s death Bill France outlawed Indy cars from running, permanently.
This was more driver error than anything. He got both left side wheels on the yellow paint around the apron. Huge mistake for a race car like that.
I mean... thats kind of the point though right? The fact that such a simple mistake becoming an instant life threatening situation for multiple drivers and possible the fans... Definitely driver error though
IF YOU CAN DRIVE A RACE CAR THEN YOU CAN RUN DAYTONA AND THE REST OF THEM ! Great !
Nice to see you kept your head through all that and brought her in safe! Lol
Stuck the landing, nice work.
Most sturdy t-cam in the world
😂😂😂😂😂
The road course would be pretty fun to be fair
wreck is at 0:55 for anyone wondering
Those cars sit so low that it looked like the double yellow line took him out. Need thinner paint.
Crash looked like something from Battlebots
Didn't they try to race at Texas motor speedway and drivers were almost blacking out????
nope. they test drove a few days before and cancelled
AJ Foyt ran 245 at talledaga in either 67 or 68 in a closed course test.
No one ran at talladega in 67 or 68 because it had not been built then first race was fall 69 .he did make a run in the 70s
the lap record is 221.16 set by mark donohue in a porsche 917.
Those cars had neither the speed nor the doenforce of todats carts,And they were more fun to watch,i think.
Congratulations, you got 18 thumbs by clueless idiots.
AJ ran that speed in a specially designed Buick on a test track at a GM facility not at a racetrack
as for blacking out they would simply reduce the speed of the cars
Hope they never race here. IndyCar on ovals is boring AF.
Guess nobody has heard about the tire tests at Talladega with NASCAR and Goodyear, and Indy car and Firestone. Speeds pushing 240 and up
Luyendyck ran in excess of 239 at Indy on a practice lap. First turn trap speed was reported in excess of 250 mph.
@@warrenholmes3311😊😁😎. 🎉
My opinion is that there to light and with any contact would spin and go airborn
That looked very uncomfortable spinning on his head like that.
Then yet again there’s always the Daytona Road course 🤷🏻♂️
The car was "Brake Dancing" on his head.
It could be an interesting experiment
Thats why they stopped racing at Michigan.
Indy car used to race at MIS in MI on its high banking for a number of years. There were a number of bad crashes there, but they still held the race there. The official reason for ending it there was lack of attendance.
MIS isn't high banked.
Oh yes it is high banked. With the Porsche club, I have done more than a few laps at that track. I did the turns at about 140mph never slowing down for the turn. I would imagine Daytona may have a higher banking, but MIS is definitely pretty high.
Looked it up...MIS banking is 18 degrees. Talladega has the highest banking at 33 degrees.
@michaelsheedy
Maybe for a Porsche it's high banked , 18 degrees isn't considered "high banks" in the NASCAR world , we race in the Xfinity Series.
@@michaelsheedyDaytona is 31 degrees
The G on the drivers that’s why all the other mechanical stuff would be sorted out
Use the Rolex 24 track layout and not the oval
They might go 275-280 mph in an Indy Car.
Additional fencing or other measures to protect fans, possibly more robust suspensions, power assisted steering and g suits could make it possible. It would be remarkable to see a race like this however.
Can they upgrsde the road courses here and other too fast tracks? I"d rather see road coarses anyway.
USAC tried in the 50s or 60s. A wreck killed spectators, if I'm recalling correctly, and they cancelled the race in the middle of the event weekend and haven't been back.
And you don't appreciate how steep that banking is until you see it in person.
Maybe if they just slowed down and observed the speed limit.
Maybe, or go NASCAR and run Restrictor Plates... 🤔
Could they run the road course set up?
Huh. I always thought it was because this track is sooooo boring.
That wreck looked more like a driver fk-up than anything else.
Death has always been a consequence of pushing the envelope. Be it racing, mountain climbing, wing suit flying, and on and on and on- you play with fire, you get burned. Personally I don't see the point, but they'll always be a faction of those who must, consequently those who will die.
they tested there years ago and the suspensions of the car cannot hold to the downforce.
Why? because cars that wreck get torn up? What a shock. This is stupid.
He should have stayed at the top and hugged the wall. The centrifugal force would give an additional 20-25 more mph .
Fricken Nailed it at the end 😅
I Like IndyCars!!! They are fast but the only reason why they cannot race is because they Can turn really easily making the Car flip over!!! If that is what’s behind the physics!!!
Didn't they running Chicago,Joliet on banked track,just saying
Yes, they've run Chicagoland. Been there a few times, it was actually decent racing. Chicagoland's banking is flat compared to Daytona though.
It’s the same reason the Daytona wasn’t raced - to much aero
I give him a 10 for sticking the landing .
I mean they use to but new gen cars idk the areokit is different then the older kits
That it ended up right side up after that nuclear grade inverted pirouette was impressive.
Have them run the infield, like sportscars
This looks like CGI