Why I Loathe The Woke: Puritanical Joyless Snobs Who Despise the Working Class -- Julie Burchill
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- Peter Whittle takes #SWYSI to Brighton to interview legendary columnist and author Julie Burchill, described by the Observer as "outrageously outspoken" and "usually offensive". Julie discusses her remarkable -- and remarkably controversial -- life and career, as well as her excellent new book: "Welcome to the Woke Trials: How #Identity Killed Progressive Politics".
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Theres nothing puritan like about the Catholic churchs social justice movement. And why don't you expose them? Oh because you work for their Jesuits like every other media group.
@@joshportie Catholic church social justice movement sounds like an oxymoron....however the extreme hypocritical narcissistic puritanism is the same from both camps.
@@LusciousTwinkle there was nothing hypocritical about the puritans. Do you even know who they were or what they believed? Clearly not.
@@columbmurray thats not at all puritan. Thats modern apostate protestantism.
@@columbmurray controlled by the Catholic church and preaching Catholic doctrines from behind the pews. Protestants protested the antichrist the papacy. Your own life is between you and God through Jesus. Puritans existed in the 1600s and 1700s. There havent been any for over 200 years. The Catholic church ran the slave trade and they are the ones benefiting fron their social justice doctrines. They preach it to children at every single Jesuit university. Georgetown? Yes Berkley? Yes. And so on. You have no idea what puritan mean or what they stood for. Because you have not read their books and they were wiped out 200 years before you existed.
Woke: "a large number of silly people led by a small number of sinister people" - spot on!
Is that definition in the Oxford English dictionary ? Lol.
@@derekc6445 No, but hopefully it soon will be.
Sinister people like Soros.
If you read on Critical Theory (CT) you will find that these people think decieving people is not evil, assuming they reach their goal.
Obviously they are applying it to Race in USA schools atm with CRT. The reason you see CRT advocates lie is because CT tells them it is morally right to lie for the greater good (convincing people CRT is different to what it actually is). They believe they are doing what is right when they are just using the power that all humans crave, because it feels good.
That small number of people are mostly Cluster B personality types.
She's a wordsmith and LOATHE is absolutely the emotion to feel when considering these infants in adult bodies that cause such harm to the rest of us and our culture.
'Splenetic detestation' is one of my favoured descriptions of the woke, ..... and a lot of other things as it happens.
@@mrstandfast2212 Splenetic detestation is very offensive !! I shall use it regularly from now on !!
I agree
Agree with her detestation of the woke. They are an abomination. But I find her voice and personality very annoying, can barely understand what she is saying, her speech is garbled. Maybe it's because of all the dope she apparently took in her younger days.
@@dianablackman4528 I loved her in this interview. She does have a very nasal voice, though, agreed.
As a mature working-class man, I went to university, having spent from the age of 16 to 45 working on building sites, my experience with middle-class students and lecturers was an eye opener to their hatred for people like myself. .....I was 50 yrs old at the time ,disabled from working 60 / 80 hrs per week on construction with dangerous materials such as asbestos? They resented my ability not to be afraid to fail or to confront anyone who stood in my way, and they were lining up to do so....CARDIFF MET lecturers, staff were the most bigoted coward's I've ever come across ....NEVER GIVE UP EVERYONE......working class welsh artist
Well said
Not dissimilar to Canadian universities. For instance, a cafeteria server complaining to a female prof. how her son was trying to get into university; the look on her face was one of barely contained derision. An added snag was the server was a Southern European immigrant. My university was filled with snobs, ethnocentrics, right wing thinkers, and clueless world travelers. I was terrified most of the time.
@@dopaminey9946 UoT, perhaps?
I 100% agree
Disabled at 50 from long hours? Sounds like you could be blown over.
"Wokism should be very much against privilege but the working class can't be trusted to have nice things." Utterly spot on.
Woke is not leftism but social inadequacy. It is the voice of inaptitude. It does not inspire and uplift, but levels down to the lowest common denominator.
When you reject Meritocracy you accept losing !
@@oceanhome2023 Correct. The woke replace meritocracy with mediocrity.
Adsolutly - Prince Harry is their patron saint and that says it all. He complains about disinformation on social media while his wife is shown to be a perjurer. You could not make that up!
Its marxism at work
Well put
The narrower the woke focus, the duller and more tedious our culture becomes.
People are stuck in an internet echo chamber and thanks to the inset algorithms become less and less interested in the wider world, idiots led by the rings in their noses.
Exactly. Creativity and woke don't mix.
Went to my sister's dance show in The Twin Cities last summer and had to listen to a 15 min lecture on "White privilege". What does that have to do with dance lol?
@@mikesteelheart The Woke movement impoverish our culture, they are the Mary Whitehouses of our age, anything that offends them personally, must be burned out of our culture, deleted from history. Very much like the Mary Whitehouse movement in the sixties and seventies. A rich culture is a inclusive culture everything that makes us what we are is valid, they are trying to cancel history to make us into something else, something more like themselves, god help us.
FFS :') I'd make a scene. @@mikesteelheart
She lost me when she said she was against inheritance. It’s one way that working class people who work hard to give their children a better life can make a difference. Through sheer hard work, and saving and doing without they amass something to pass on to their kids. Why on earth would you want to take that away from them?
I totally agree with you. I would be homeless right now if it weren't for an inheritance, at 55 years of age. I think she has some ideological baggage to unpack herself. Also, wokism isn't just aimed at controlling the working class, but the 'professional class' too, which is why I couldn't stay motivated to pursue a career in psychology. One 'misstep' and you could lose your career. Its net is cast much wider than the traditional 'working class'.
@@cord11ful ''...I think she has some ideological baggage to unpack herself.'' - you may have a point there, apparently. As for the other topic of careering, that is the absolute truth. Through an insane subversion of values, the Hidden Hand has managed to generate a New Age of Terror and Obscurantism, controlled by the (schizöid) Global Left. The death of freedom of speech has attained rigor mortis.
@@cord11ful Conservatives hate disabled people.
Lacking a sense of humour is something all forms of fanatic have in common. Their humourlessness is useful in helping us distinguish between people with opinions and the ideologically possessed. You can have a dialogue with the former, you cannot with the latter, and we should never waste time and energy trying.
I just watched Kirsty Wark's" Womanhood, with the awful Suzy Ruffel. I say awful, but I didn't have any particular feeling towards her until I saw her sulking, when someone she disagreed with was speaking. It must have been dreadful for "poor" Suzy. This woman was trying to address a practical problem of men's, women's, and mixed sex changing facilities at a swimming baths, so obviously a bigot, and she just kept talking as if she had a right to an opinion. All Suzy could do was keep her gob shut and scowl earnestly. Priceless!
Yes, Blookbug IV! And the redeeming feature of a sense of humour is the ability to laugh at yourself. We used to mock the Americans for taking themselves too seriously, now we have our very own woke brigade. Sad and very un-British!
Yes very true. Hitler didn’t come across as having a great sense of humour.
@@dangermann7460 because he was a rightwing fascist bigot like the people on this page.
Depends on your sense of humour. I'm guessing you're a Jim Davison kind of guy. What I'm getting from your post is that you don't understand why some people prefer more sophisticated humour than racist, sexist and homophobic lowest common denominator shite that has been rinsed to death. I reckon you're probably a Sun reader and brexshiter too. Maybe it's you who has a poorly developed sense of humour and you're projecting. It's generally the pious rightwing cuntservative and fascist who has no sense of humour. Just like they lack creativity. Leftwingers dominate comedy, creative industries and academia. Boo hoo.
My grandson (19 yrs old) who is bipolar has decided to be trans. I am a Christian and disagree with this decision, though I told my grandson that I will always love him. As a result I am cut off by him and my daughter , his mother. I am an old woman and it makes me sad, but I can’t live by lies. I would rather die alone.
I hope you've stuck to your guns, as the day will surely come when your grandson will, at the very least, know that at least one of his family members tried to warn him that he was going down the wrong path and didn't nurture his confusion! That day will, indeed, come!!
Im Afraid I find this incredibly sad, your own faith means more to you than your families happiness. I hope you work through this.
JP... what an obnoxious comment...who are you to tell her how to feel?...creep
Im so sorry this awful modern world has caused you such pain.
@@Threemore650 I mean it literally says it in the comment, Linda's faith means she disagrees. Maybe they won't be, but surely its about choice.
Why can't older generations accept the world is different now? Young people suffer things older generations never knew about and yet you have the temerity to assume you know best. Was it really better when the church allowed sexual abuse? Was it really better when it was legal for men to rape their wives? Was it really better when we had regular power cuts and racism and homophobia was rife?
The modern world is what you made it.
'State-sponsored comedians' - brilliant. Sums up BBC comedy.
Michael Macìntye King of comedy
Katherine Ryan,Lycett,Kumar to name but three.
@benphilips. In recent weeks , the social media have been subjected to a storm of anti-BBC propaganda. Hadn’t you noticed? ( Or are you part of it ?)
This lovely woman is spot on with her views - which are shared by the silent majority. For woke to triumph, it takes only for decent people to do nothing
And yet the majority puts up with this garbage.
We're ll ruing to fight - every y'day. The Media must fall. They are the target 🎯 🇬🇧🐾🇺🇸🇮🇪
@@sylviam6535 Sheep 🐑 🐑
Thank goodness for the sanity of The New Culture Forum. Thank you Peter Whittle.
They are still twisting the truth. Theres nothing puritan like about social justice. The social justice movement is from the Catholic church. Do they report that? No. Luigi tapparelle invented the term. They used to just call them demagogues. They twist the truth as much as all other media owned by papal knights. Which is everything.
Shocking decision by the Telegraph to let her go….one of the best writers around.
She's written bravely for many years. But the feminazis and minorities brigade were constantly pursuing her. The Telegraph is lost.
@@grotekleum my God, SO true. Well said !
Telegraph has become as woke as them all. After their piece on the Rittenhouse verdict where they injected race into it, I have given up on them completely. All the MSM are now nothing more than propagandists for the woke.
@@Robeight It is because editorial independence has been surrendered to the investment management funds like Blackrock and Vanguard, who hold the controlling ownership share.
@Hittite Charioteer spot on, this happened at the occupy wall street protests as Tim Pool who was reporting from there at the time the protesters were politically on the right and the left. The establishment were sh*t scared. Suddenly a group came in seperating protesters into their victim groups, telling white protesters to get to the back and shut up, oppressed groups voices were the only voices allowed to speak, thus the divide and conquer technique was successful. Tim Pool asks to this day where did this group come from? I would suggest companies like Black Rock and others used paid for agent provocateurs.
Julie is spot on , wokism is the control of the working class.
You don't have to be working class to be oppressed by woke.
Wokism? An Asian cooking show.
But not money?
As a white British working man I always feel like I should absolutely hate Julie Burchill, but in loads of her writing, even the fiction, she shows such clear insight into human nature and she speaks a lot of common sense. I'm glad she's standing up to the woke nonsense which is tearing at the fabric of British society today.
Strange opening line.....?
@@Habu2 It's due to her being the self proclaimed 'Queen of the Chavs'. Chavs to me are the enemy of working people.
@@Habu2I can relate to it
"As a white British working man I always feel like I should absolutely hate Julie Burchill"- Why?
See my reply to Habu2@@asleyjen
First time I’ve seen Julie interviewed, she comes across as intelligent,honest , and great fun!
Best definition EVER to define that gasthly woke bunch.
Thank so much Julie.
Is she woke if she's a feminist and promotes all their views about men?
@@oraz. she is a defector like a kgb stasi ccp or north korean high ranking that see the crimes of these regimes against people grow a concience and go to the other side.
@@actonman7291 Yeah right. Has she ever corrected the record on feminism or it's ideas. No. Has she or will she be expected to? No. That's not a defector that's self interest and hypocrisy. For some reason anti woke people make an exception for feminists.
@@oraz. check the title of her future interview that is is more than enough to me to bring ammunition against that cult.
@@actonman7291 You are deluded if you think woke includes feminism to her. That's the point. You're siding with feminism who rebrand themselves just because the use then word woke referring to trans issues.
What a breath of fresh air she is. Never thought I would enjoy a discussion about WOKE so much. Thanks.
God, shows just how toxic woke culture is when it makes normal people agree with Julie Burchill. The veritable female Alan Partridge, 'Bouncing Back' and all.
What exactly is woke?
@@lawlaw295 I did not know until recently but from what I can understand it originated in the USA back in the 60's within the Afro Caribbean community and means to be "awake" to white oppression/racism. It has now evolved to mean to be awake to all forms of perceived oppression against women, gays, trans and so on. At least that is my understanding of it.
@@lawlaw295 It is an example of poor grammar.
@@lawlaw295The woke don,t know what it means😂
Peter is a gentleman that brings the best out of his guests
OMG ! I love Julie ! I went to school with her in Bristol but she was so brainy her parents kept moving her around so she wasn’t there for long ! She stood out like a glorious sore thumb ! Rock on Julie !! ❤️
hi julie
Nice insight. Thanks
A breath of much needed fresh air in a stale, suffocating political and ideological climate.
Love her
This interview should be watched by anyone who needs hope, absolutely fantastic. Thank you..
What part? When she says don't try to, become a shoplifter or kids are so miserable they wouldn't dance to rock and roll.
@@chrisspencer6502 Bit literal of you. Wokers don't do irreverence either...
You misspelled there; you meant 'cope', obviously.
Please define woke? It's such a bullshit term for anything the right don't like.
LOL! A Brit, smiling. I'm in Australia for 22yrs. She's a one off.
One of the things that amazes me most about our current situation is how as a right wing, middle class, middle aged, white man, I am finding myself in the intellectual company of what was formerly anathema to me! I still hold my own political and social beliefs but I am pleased to see that our current struggles are transcendent of class, politics and background. I wonder if in a strange way the current battle, if won, will unite us in our love of our democracy that whilst not perfect, is better than others offerings.
Just shows we are more alike than we think. I subscribe to both Spiked and the Spectator. One is run by former Troskyists and the other is high Tory. Nothing wrong with agreeing with what is right.
Isn't she brilliant, and fun too. I love the way she just laughs at the 'woke' thought police 😆. Her lack of university degree/s is a great example of why the indoctrination, I mean education, system churns out so many sheep nowdays. 🤔
😂😂 you didn't go to university did you? Just because right wing media like to focus on stories of 'wokeness' , doesn't mean every single person follows it. Christ, it encourages you to think freely. Please stop listening to right wing propaganda and actually go and talk to some young people, you'll see they are far more intelligent and engaging than you want to believe.
Seems that not attending university did her a favour.
Yes many sheep on that conveyor belt.
You are not alone Julie.
There has always been an underlying old-fashioned middle-class snobbishness in all these attitudes. The siding with other groups of all kinds is based not on concern for them, but on hatred of the working class. Conventional and bourgeois.
There is still sneering at working classes it exists
Quite, and sometime with due cause. However, there has always been a ceiling in this country but it is not glass but class.
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle It was only a due cause from the perspective of the middle class.
@@moneypenny1267 a casual glance at the lefty hate rag, the Guardian would prove this.
@@moneypenny1267 I wonder what would happen to them if we all went on strike. Lol
I was told by my feminist friends not to listen to her because she’s hateful. I’m glad I listened anyway. She’s a delight.
That'll be 3rd wave Liberal feminists who centre dick (however it identifies) in everything. They're not feminists at all. Julie's feminism is the 2nd wave radical (root) kind and we absolutely adore her!!!
@@jerikogenie "We"? You and your friends you mean. The other "we", i.e. me and my friends, hate her. Ps - you only need to use one exclamation mark - don't waste them, they're precious!
Because you don't like or disagree with someone's views shouldn't make them hateful.
Say the feminists that HATE anyone who don't agree with THEM!! Feminazi's are full of shyt & such hypocrites!!
Your 'feminist' friends probably believe men can be women.
It’s time that the majority of the population regained control and dismissed these dangerous idiots
Better do it fast...b4 totalariam authoritian rule comes next...
This has cheered me up on a terrible Sunday morning following the tyrannic idiocy of Johnson's latest nonsense.
Ignore Johnson's dictat. This ends when we say it does, all we have to do is stop complying.
Even the doctor in South Africa said Britain is over reacting as the symptoms are very mild. Headache tiredness and a scratchy cough.
She also said it was probably in the UK but had not been noticed.
they got to boris, he's one of them now.
hang in there, get ready to fight.
@@jazura2 Plus the rest of the world, have now followed suit. I see some Labour mouthpiece have been calling for a lockdown.
It really shouldn't. How about actually doing something other than just posting a lame YT comment, hmm?
Don't become a journalist become a shoplifter. A step up in morality if you ask me. Ha!
There's a book in there somewhere. Someone gets sacked from their job in a bank because they said something anti woke and then decides to take up a life of crime instead. Starts off shoplifting then moves onto raiding banks ( their old bank). They then get more respect for being a criminal than having right wing leanings. Write it Julie!!!
I’m a journalist, but don’t tell my family. I told them I’m a crack dealer. 🤣
@@raynarks My insincere condolences.
@@chrisnieto5547 I think you could write it youself! I'd buy it...
Just went out and bought the book. "Revenge of the mediocre" that is the best description for it I have ever heard.
There’s a cure for wokeness, you just ignore it and carry on living a happy, peaceful life.
You can't. They come after you.
Eventually, once people realize that they are missionaries preaching a faith, they will be treated like door to door Jehovah’s witnesses. That will be a great day.
@@bluebee5266 toughen up my friend, don't accept a life inside the prison they have tried put you in. Be yourself and stop caring if people don't like you. Assuming you are a decent kindly soul, you don't need the approval of the intellectually impaired and emotionally deranged nit-wits who have embraced this newest form of fascism.
Only issue with this interview is it wasn't long enough! What an amazing inspiration for those of us wanting to write and from similar background...I'm a bit old but she's totally motivated me to get on with it and try.
@Telbel ..100%......it's like wow there are still normal human beings around and not only that but actual journalists! Funny because she mentions Lionel S who I was watching on Triggernomitry and in her intro she says novelist, journalists etc. but recently more opinion pieces....again it shldnt b shocking to hear someone say they do opinion pieces but think of how many MSM lie and sell them as news!
Good on you. I’m a bit old too, but you might have something wonderful inside well worth an airing! 👍🏻😄
@@benbunyip ah thanks...always written just never shared😬🤐. Plenty to write about it's def' been an eventful life with all the shades of emotions 😥🥺🤬🤪🤣, so seriously going to start attacking it. Cheers for the comment meant a lot 🙂📖✍️
Plenty long enough for me. Agree with her loathing of the disgusting "woke" mob; but her voice and personality are very annoying. Her speech is garbled, can hardly make out most of what she is saying. Not the best interview at all.
If identity politics, is as many claim, a secular religion with monotheistic undertones, then it’s not surprising, schisms will occur
Identity politics is sociist and racist, sexist and/or religiously discriminatory it is the same as fasicism... socialist racism.
Identity politics is central to this womans life. Read her autobiography. "Unchosen: The Memoirs of a Philo-Semite"
Be warned, she repeats herself multiple times going into too much detail about her masturbatory acumen from when she was a teenager. Everybody knows it happens, but after the first couple times it started to read like she was some wierdo getting off on having the public read about it.
"I think they are worthless people": a simple sentence but it STINGS!!! You Julie, are a gem...and although I am a Lefty but not as far left as you, I absolutely welcome your outlook and writing. We need you now more than ever...
I live in 🇺🇸. I read a column online by Julie Burchill (about the “Grabdication”) and I thought it was excellent. So when I found this interview with Julie I was excited to hear what she had to say. America is getting negatively affected by the “Woke” culture and I appreciate those who speak out and stand up against it.
Loathing people who are well meaning but foolish is a waste of your time.
Laugh at them instead.
They hate that.
The adults have left the room. If you take away respect for others, discipline and personal responsibility combined with coddling and infantilisation it is the perfect storm for the unadulterated mess we have today.
Lol the adults were always working on the other side
I'm ashamed to say I had never heard of Julie till now. What a woman, someone who has actually lived a life. Thank you very much Peter for another fantastic interview.
lived a life. wow. the irony. check out how her son lived his.
No shame! She was always 'out there'! We love her - and I'm a conservative. Smiling from Australia. A Brit.
Being the same age as Julie birchill I share that feeling of gratitude that I was born at a good time and now too long in the tooth to be bothered by today’s nonsense. As for the younger generations, they will have to suck it up or do what we did in the past and rebel against the worst excesses of ‘the establishment’ just as we did! I suspect most are too lazy / complacent to fight for their freedom of thought and conscience
What self righteous nonsense. Don't you see young people protesting? extinction rebellion comes to mind. But no, your generation don't like that.
Isn't it funny, young people are expressing freedom of thought and conscience, you call it woke and dismiss it because you don't like it.
You can say you rebelled, but your generation have become the problem. Freedom of movement, free university education, actually affordable house prices. You had all these and yet your generation have taken those opportunities away from younger people. Do you know what it's like to have to volunteer for a year to even get a job in your chosen profession? People need to rack up tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt to just get a degree or masters that your generation then denigrate and dismiss. You pulled the ladder up after yourselves and you don't like that the world has changed, leaving you behind. So spare us this self congratulating crap. What did you actually achieve?
The new culture forum is my new Sunday paper 😍
Yep mine too uplifting and hope filled common sense in a woke circus media modern nightmare
Further evidence that optimism is infectious, thankyou NCF and julie.
Thanks for this-she reminds me of a world that once existed that seems as remote as the Middle Ages
What a fantastic interview. Julie Burchill, thank goodness for her. A blessed gift. What a Legend who has never lost her magic....can't wait to read her book. An absolute breath of fresh air. A lesson for all to adhere....❤
I love the work New Culture Forum are doing.
". . . a sterile sub-group. . ." Brilliant. I was just thinking about the lack of creativity in corporate entertainment.
the last thing The Controllers want is for humans to be creative !
I was impressed here by Peter's interviewing skills. His ability to enjoy yet remain objective in his questioning. An informative, humane and enjoyable interview. Thank you
I grew up reading and appreciating Julie’s outlook, even when I disagreed. Thanks for the insight to her as a person.
“Perhaps she identifies as WH Smith"😂 The spirit of Oscar Wilde is alive and well
I've just roared out with laughter when heard this🤣🤣🤣
@@jrbs Me as well lol.
Great interview 👍Brilliant to hear another unpretentious successful woman telling it how it is!❤
I am so pleased to see that more and more people are highlighting the sinister, puritan lunacy of woke including Julie, Jordan Peterson, and Andrew Doyle
@glennhands. I am a very very old Leftie - and not the privileged sort. I regard Jordan Peterson as a Fascist. Neurotic, needy, clever-enough, and dangerous in front of crowds. The old eternal Right has simply adopted a new disguise and new weapons. Watch the regular adverts on TV and pay close attention to style (never mind the products)If the penny doesn’t drop, and soon, politics as we know it will simply dissolve.. We are fast reverting to barbarism - the state we were in before politics existed.
The lunacy votes from.Conservatives and religious bigots are toxic and destroying human rights,animal rights and ignoring human caused as used climate change. The threat to all life.
This interview made me blub. I can’t articulate why?? Julie Burchill is such a fine writer. I don’t know why I need to write this. I’m from a shitty council estate on the arse end of Birmingham. 🇦🇺👍🏻
We are ALL from a shitty council estate on the arse end of Birmingham
Are you related to Ronnie?
Me too, Chelmsley Wood.
Yeah but you have discernment.
Wow Trevor, you just suddenly made me homesick. From Edgbaston, living in Yorkshire and missing the accent and the dark humour.
Woke = grievance and resentment.
No room for fun with a mindset like that.
A 20 year coke habit l cannot even imagine the amount of pennies spent. A clever lady who seems to have had fun along the way and put out some good work. Anyone who is anti woke is ok for me.
No excuse for that horrible crap she wrote in the 80's.
@@gingernightmare9152 Very true...
At least 100K £…. *at least*
Ginger Nightmare what was she known for writing in the 80s? Always vaguely known her name and associated it with “feminists I’m not bothered about” lol
@@classicepisodesofcrimewatc9971
Yeah at least that is only 100 quid a week which is a tiny coke habit as far as coke habits go.
What a breath of fresh air! A veteran journalist who is no coward. Just added her book to my Amazon list. Thanks for a great conversation 😊
I really love this Channel . Peter Whittle is a true hero and British Patriot for creating one of the best brave and innovative discussion TH-cam Channels . And Julie Burchill is great , though just about everyone of the people Mr Whittle interviews is top notch . Please keep up the great work
A really enjoyable interview. Peter is a great interviewer and Julie said so much that I've thought and said...sometimes more eruditely! The new mainstream comedy...few jokes - just knocking Brexit....formulaic! Little imagination!
I disagree with Julie Burchill on so many things, but I admire her necessary maverick-energy and think she's absolutely spot-on re. woke, especially the class analysis.
Thank you very much indeed, Peter, for this conversation. ☝️😎
Same here but, she is getting her just deserts. She was one of those Marxist agitators who agitated not for the people in need but for their own power. Her sort of feminism was pure agitation, pure Marxism and so is Wokism, just a different generation of people playing the same old games. The Establishment is still in charge, just a different faction.
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle
It looks like we agree on the same things we disagree with Julie Burchill on, if that makes sense! 😂
However, on the principle that my enemy's enemy is my (provisional) friend, I'm with her on the woketards and am glad her voice is raised against them. I also think she's hilariously funny, even when she's egregiously wrong, so there's always room for her in my world... ☝️😎
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle I'm sick of all theae old school leftists complaining about woke like they didn't contribute significantly towards it. They're just angry the monster they created turned on them. I have no sympathy whatsoever
@@mrlegkick91 Can you spell that out for me please? Who are the old school leftists? Do you mean the teachers and working class strikers of the 1970’s? How did they contribute to wokism?
@@RestWithin I'm beginning to believe "woke" is just the natural conclusion to all the hippie stuff from the 60s people laughed off.. "they'll grow up" people said. turns out these people became teachers themselves and taught a whole new generation and It's just snowballed out of control. To the point the old school man hater feminists of 20 years ago who were the tip of the progressive spear are now considered right wing.. it's an uncontrollable purity spiral
Great interview! Could not agree with her more on the "sinister" woke movement.
If I remember correctly Burchill was the mouthpiece for the 90s version of woke and cancel culture. How times have changed...
@jonlebon. Julie’s incoherence is part of her enduring charm. Less charming is her dismissal of the economics that silently rule our lives.
What an engaging person Julie is. She had me laughing out loud - such good and intelligent company. I felt better for having watched the interview. Thanks Julie, and Peter, of course.
Good god I may actually agree with Julie Birchill about something!
Never have liked her-maybe time to re 🤔
a lot of my unfavourite people are standing up.... Eric Clapton?
Yes... very weird is it not? As the Centurion said ‘Live long enough you will experience everything....’
@@charlytaylor1748 why’s Eric Clapton an unfavourite of yours?
She's still a disgusting person, broken clocks and all that
Although I've read her articles for years, I've never heard Julie Birchill in person before - completely different to what I imagined, but the same down to earth common sense.
"I knew that if I was corralled into further education, I might have my spirit taken out of me, my originality taken out of me..."
Spot on, Ms Burchill!
Peter this was a fabulous interview what an icon Julie is so refreshing , witty and realm what a refreshing treat thank you
Always loved Julie Burchill; one of our finest journalist writers. And I love her spirit and her personal couldn't care less atttude towards Woke cancel culture.
My cousin is in his late twenties is very woke and still living with his parents. He began transitioning to female and has been treating his parents so badly that they are going to move out of their own house as they don’t want to ask him to leave. It has nothing to do with his transition, they have accepted it, but they don’t have the exact attitude and lingo that his online ‘friends’ tell him they’re supposed to, so he harangues them constantly. It’s really shocking and saddening as they are such good people and they’re afraid to say anything. So he now has a four bedroom house to himself for free. Shameful.
The reason people go along with it is because their salaries depend on it. If there was no financial penalty the general public wouldn't believe a word of wokery. The Bonnie and Clyde's have weaponized HR departments.
Bingo. And worse, they are trying to get rid of small businesses where more independent thinking and common Sense takes place.
It took some dedication by Peter Whittle to get past all the tee-hee-I-took-coke" stuff and actually have Burchill say something interesting.
Yes, that was all a bit pathetic. She's not shy in admitting she likes money and the lifestyle of the urban rich. However, she made some salient observations.
"Violet Elizabeth Bott joins the Stasi" - such a wonderful way to describe it! Great interview, thanks both.
As someone who grew up in Australia and couldn't afford a sub to NME, that was me, checking newsagents daily for the new issue!
me too! late 70s
Being working class and different, I can certainly identify with Julie because I recognise so many of her working-class attributes and I love every one. The difference is, she is clever and I am not so, but I certainly do agree with what she says and most certainly understand all of it. Perception of the truth is a gift given to few.
I dispute that Julie Burchill is 'working class' just because she has relatives who are. She's never done a working class job her entire life.
@@autodidact537 By the same token I was brought up in a corner shop and therefore I must be middleclass? I think not.
@@autodidact537 I think it's more the working class ethos that has informed her throughout, one mans cocaine is another mans turkey twizzler
@@oldskoolfool141 Literally not working class, by any definition. It's all a facade.
@@Mr___X So? Labour Party also has/had a facade of being working class -- was that more appealling to you? She's Great.
Cor , Is that Julie ? Wow , first time I’ve seen her but I’ve read and admired her work for decades . Not what I was expecting . She’s so nice .
wtf
Incredibly honest person whose columns I have enjoyed from time to time. I like that she highlighted the notion that the woke mob are by and large silly (I would add priviliged) people who are steered by the sinister. However I have yet to be enlightened as to who are the sinister and what are they trying to achieve by this control of the population?
The methods are there to be seen e.g. control of the language, fragmentation of the population by constantly referring to the subject of race relations, sexual orientation, climate change, Brexit etc etc.
There is no doubt that we are becoming a nation of two different types of people the woke and the non woke and there could be some conflict in the future.
The bankers, the arms manufacturers, the oil barons and the politicians that support the power structure.
I'm trying to figure out where to put Boris.puppet of the sinister?
In the US, a sizable number, perhaps approaching a majority, of the “non-woke” are well-armed, so any real physical conflict between the “woke” and “unwoke” would be over very quickly.
On the other hand, those well-armed “non-woke” persons also tend to have libertarian “live and let live” and “rugged individualism” values, so they do not unite as willingly with one another nor press their rhetoric upon the whole of culture as stridently as the Wokies do.
If it weren’t for the inherent threat of armed revolt the Second Amendment was designed to perpetually maintain as a check against naked tyranny, America would already be lost.
@@lydiamalone1859 Giant bulls**ter?
Ibram Kendi and Robin DiAngelo are probably the chief creators and enforcers of woke ideology. Julia Serano is another.
GOD, i love this woman xxx
And not library in sight behind her ...
She is inspirational...
I feel impervious to critism too ...and i am 62 year old uk nurse .
You have another 20 to 30 years in you Julie, keep doing what you are doing
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Best Green hypocrisy was Caroline Lucas asked by Andrew Neil (she was utterly opposed to air travel), how many times she'd flown that year? She spluttered...'My son lives in New York '. Exactly Caroline.
That was one of your best interviews thanks Peter, that was fabulous , a lot of fun , very enlightening thanks
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Looking unbelievably well for 62!!! wow. Also, modest chilled person, thanks.
Julie Burchill has amazing energy and charisma.
It appears to have arrived suddenly but this 'long march through the institutions' began thirty odd years ago it's just now, courtesy of social media, we get to see those fruits in a ruined generation.
They've been working up to it for donkeys years.
What a quirky lass Julie is, like a teenager in demeanour.
What a great interview, Julie and Peter have made my day. I've had a thought recently, how are they getting away with calling Black Friday - Black Friday?!
It'll be White Christmas gone next.
my all time favourite NME journalist from literally 40 years ago!💚
She’s a Gem! Totally on point regarding ‘Woke’.
Peter's brilliant at interviewing, he relates to everyone 😊 that combined with interesting guests with thought provoking views it's a winning formula.
That awkward feeling when someone rubs you the wrong way, yet you can't disagree with the points they're making.
I think that's one positive of the current insane world we're living in. Lots of people who previously wouldn't have spoken to each other are uniting against woke and totalitarian covid madness.
She's a Dear. I bet she carries the laughter during family gatherings.
What Julie says is true, having to watch what you say in front of your own children. I am experienceing it myself.
The woke are humourless and generally have little in the way of real world everyday experience. The sooner we brush them aside the better! What a breath of fresh air Julie is, in this humourless age were many people don't dare to say what they think or mean in case they cause offense to someone.
I often tease my daughter about woke and not being politically correct by things I say, she is 25 now and expects it lol
Be yourself and teach your kids how.
Really enjoyed and learnt so much, no wrong not learnt but had by views justified and made to feel less mental and proved that I am sane after all
Enjoyed the interview, Julie is very interesting and funny.
Nice to see her - a unique person with integrity. Her young voice always cracks me up. Her wit is razor sharp. 🇬🇧
How did I miss this !!! Julie you’re my fav journo, the Queen of Kick Ass 👍❤️
I'm in my 40's and employ a young man just pushing 25... During our discussion of my upcoming trip to South Africa (probably now CANCELLED), I casually mentioned how apalling the crime rates are there... He got uncomfortable and asked me to stop promoting racial stereotypes (that's not quite the exact woke phraseology- can anyone reply and remind me of the buzzword?)
Perpetuating!
Sack him before he denounces you. /s
@Dave Doherty Ugh the warning bells should've gone off when he told me he was vegan... and he's not even gay. The sadder part is he would probably think my attempt at humour is offensive too...
If I was his employer, I would be referring to him as an ex employee, he needs to be educated.
You just hired an informant for the new Stasi.
She's good, but so many like her kept their focus on the right, and took their eye off the left, their own side has gone mental
They helped to build the power structure. They always thought government was the solution by nationalizing everything. All they did was hand them more power.
still happening today. they said Trump was "too old, and had failing health" and meanwhile turn a blind eye to the obvious problems Biden displays every time he dares to brave the cameras and a real interview.
@@lydiamalone1859 Exactly. How could she miss this? Expertise is diffuse amongst individuals and individuals need to have as much autonomy as natural rights (self-ownership, property rights) allow.
Nationalizing everything IS controlling people. It’s forcing them to work for the government (their betters), at gunpoint, under the assumption that the government experts can use the fruits of their labor better than they can. It’s also the tyranny of the majority (when this model exists in a democracy) and it devolves into a Victocracy (rule by the “gibs”) as we’re now seeing in the west. I like her but nationalizing everything is a horrible idea and will always result in totalitarian control for the benefit of those at the top and their buddies.
I agree with this lady, the world has gone mad at the moment. I heard a comment somewhere along the lines of “We live in a world where the intelligent must keep quiet so that the stupid won’t be offended “
Always entertaining, never boring, completely honest, erudite and verbose - that's why Julie will never be 'cancelled' by anyone with a sense of humour and an enquiring mind.
I used to not be able to get on with Julie Birchill...but I must have changed. Everything she stated here I was in agreement with. I now see her in a different light.
Ask Julie to go on Unpopular Opinions or the Deepest Lore with the Academic Agent.
Why do "anti woke" people uncritically give a pass to man hating feminists? Honest question.
I’d pay to hear that.
@@oraz. the traditional feminist that fought simply for equality of rights has been replaced by a new breed of man hating feminazi that wish to subjugate men. They see everything through an oppressive lens, so a mere complement or an innocuous comment will be seen as a "micro aggression" that must immediately be called out, reported and publicly shamed.
@@simonmuhamed1071 _"the traditional feminist that fought simply for equality of rights has been replaced by a new breed of man hating feminazi that wish to subjugate men."_ - No they haven't. The movement hasn't changed at all. It's a myth that somehow it _was_ good and now isn't. Just because the complaints they had in the beginning had more legitimacy because society couldn't quite keep up with technological / social changes, doesn't mean they were somehow nice people - they weren't. They were ideological bigots projecting onto men and history their own prejudices. It's important to not confuse what were called at the time 'women's libbers' with feminists - though there was a lot of crossover, one group wanted social / legal change for women in certain areas, the other was an ideology (sometimes called 'Marxism in a dress'). Most of the former got on with their lives when changes were made, the latter couldn't get on with their lives, because the ideology _was_ their lives. It's a religion, and the zealots have always been steering the ship.
@@TheNightBadger what happened to the rest of my comment? You seen to have added yours onto the end of mine?
Yes Marxism is definitely the roots of this new feminazi.
Great to see Julie again, part of my essential reading from my past!!! Hope to see and HEAR her more in the future, she talks my language!!!!
The middle class has always quietly loathed the working class even those who claim to politically represent us