*_S U R P R I S E_* Edit: So it seems a few people are miffed right now, and they think I'm only mad with this show because "I didn't get what I want / my theories didn't come true," or "Toffee didn't come back," or "I'm just salty because I don't ship Starco / ship something else." So in response to that, allow me to post my response to a recent comment that asked why I, and many other people, were upset with the show: It's a matter of bad writing. The co-creator of the show confirmed sometime in 2018 that they are writing this show as they go along with production. Now, that writing method works if you're writing for a fun cartoon like Spongebob or something. But if you're writing like that for a story-filled show like SVtFoE is, *_that's a big problem._* Writing without a set plan is dangerous, they are more susceptible to forgetting plot points they've previously established. And sure enough, there are a multitude of plot points they opened up in previous seasons, but never did anything with. - They hinted that Marco has connections with the Butterfly family - They hinted that Marco has ties with Toffee - They hinted that Toffee had ties with Star and her family - They hinted that Toffee has ties to Eclipsa somehow - They hinted that the Monster Arm would return - They hinted that Marco would become evil at some point. So far, the writers have done nothing with these ideas they set up. And there's only the finale left. That's not to mention the points brought up in the book Daron released. In the book, a Septarian named "Seth" was depicted. He was revealed to be behind the whole rebellion against the monster king. Basically, Seth is behind Toffee's motivation to kill Queen Comet and (seemingly) Queen Solaria. This is an absolutely crucial part of the backstory, yet the show has not mentioned Seth anywhere. Speaking of the book, another big problem is the fact that the writers keep introducing things that were only shown in the book without any introduction. Some examples include - Star didn't want to give Eclipsa the book piece because she knew the Crystal Breaking spell was in there. - Eclipsa steals the book and attempts to free Globgor using that Crystal Spell - Reynaldo's existence in general. All of these things are based off of information that was only shown in the book. They were mentioned nowhere in the show previously. And there was nothing to suggest these things existed (the spell and Reynaldo) The reason why this is a problem is because not everyone has the book (not everyone knows what happened in it). And the writers have no problem causally mentioning things from the book with no prior introduction to the people who don't have the book(the large majority of Star's audience doesn't have the book). This causes confusion for those viewers, and that's just a genuine writing flaw if your story becomes unintentionally confusing. My next point is with the shipping problems this show has. I had pointed out after the "Curse of the Blood Moon" episode that at this point in the series, Starco would not work. There was not enough time to establish the relationship naturally. If they tried to make Starco work, it would most likely only sacrifice the pacing and the quality of the story. Sure enough, in the Dragon Bike episode, the writers decided to break up Marco and Kelly OFFSCREEN. No matter what show you're writing for, you NEVER break up a relationship offscreen. That's a genuinely horrible thing to do as a writer. This offscreen, and unexplained breakup rendered the entire Kellco ship seemingly worthless. It confuses me why they even bothered establishing it if they were just gonna break them up after a few episodes. Soon afterwards, Tom and Star break up too. This was obviously done so Marco and Star can get together in these past few episodes. It's a forced ship. Think about it: nothing else in the show show would suggest these relationships would break up at this time. Both of these breakups were spontaneous, and explained with ill reason. All so a certain ship can get together in the end. Shipping was never the focus of this show, there's no reason why it should be interfering with story like this. It sacrificed the pacing and quality of the story. A clear example of bad writing. And there are various plot events that seemingly come out of nowhere. - Jackie breaks up with Marco because of a cape obsession that was only present for that one episode. This directly affects the story because it causes the setting shift to Mewni. - Buff Frog and other monsters leave Mewni, despite the kingdom having an active campaign for equality. (They've been oppressed for centuries, and they leave while the PRINCESS of the kingdom is actively trying to solve their problems.) - Kelly and Marco break up offscreen for no explained reason. - Tom and Star break up right before they go on a vacation together. Nothing seemed wrong with them before.There isn't a lot that would suggest this would happen. This causes the setting to change back to Earth. - Toffee plot is interrupted by the random premise of a Beach Day. Various little things like these that directly impact the story aren't good. Writing is about setting up, and paying off. It can't work if either of those things are missing. Introducing the book stuff had no set-up. Breaking up the ships randomly had no set-up. The plot points they set up in earlier seasons had set-up, but no pay off. So yeah. It's a problem with writing. Which is a shame, because this show's writing used to be absolutely fantastic back in Season 1 and 2. This is why we're upset. This show fell from grace.
Blue Order I had seen this episode and once toffee said surprise I actually screamed and jumped out of my seat. There ain’t no way this is just Star’s ptsd. If they leave us hanging ima cry.
I would like to say that now I am rooting for the return of toffee if that is possible in the last 20 min of the show. I would also like to say that I believe that if star actually does destroy the magic, first Marco will go back to Earth, but also later, all of Mewmanity will go back to Earth as well because given that the first mewmens were humans of Earth, eventually their descendents will come back given that it isn't there original homeworld. If not, then probably something could happen where magic is brought back up again and it's possible for the portals to work again. But this is all just what I believe may happen, we may never know for like the next *5* days!
Even though Toffee didn’t come back, I like how this highlighted how Toffee succeeded in his goal long before anyone even know what happened. He wanted to destroy magic and set off a series of events to lead to the corruption of magic and eventual destruction of it. He utterly won before anyone had any idea
If toffee somehow survived, after star destroyer magic he would be truely immortal. He would literally be unstoppable considering he could only be defeated through magic
A thing about the Starco moment. _Bullshit_ that Marco "felt that way since the beginning". Yeah, they tried to patch it with "Oh, but it was not love at first sight, the feelings grew with the time", but... He LITERALLY says he felt "that way" since day one, so, not. And as I said, _bullshit_ he had a crush on Star for the entire time, first two seasons was TOTALLY into Jackie.
Writing room: Um, Daron, people on the message boards are pointing out that there's LITERALLY no romantic relationship between Star and Marco that isn't related to the Blood Moon Ball. They're calling it mind-rape. What?! Ok, no problem, we'll retcon some in! Starco HAS to happen!
Yea, that felt weird considering he didn't seem to like her that much overall when they met. However i have to disagree with you on him not having feelings for Star in seasons 1 and 2 though, there were many implicattions he had feelings for Star at the same time as Jackie in both seasons, 1 and specially season 2, but yea the "since the beggening" part makes no sense but ig he meant when they became friends and the feelungs grew ever since.
Yeah it always felt like they were friends for the longest time. Things like the blood moon and the S2 finale pushed things towards more romantic. But for sure they weren’t there from the very beginning. That’s a stupid retcon
Inazuma Sensei you can see since the first episode that he felt that way after Star said all those things at the market so technically it wasn't love at first sight. But since he had feelings for Jackye (without even had talked to her once) Marco decided to keep those feelings away.
#1: Did Marco EVER say that he hates magic? #2: How does Star, out of nowhere, hate magic? How did she come to this realization? People with magic have done terrible things before. How does she just come to this realization out of nowhere? So confused.
I honestly was confused all throughout the episode at that point. Moon betrays everyone, revealing (out of nowhere and for no reason) that she wants the thrown back. Mina arrives with an impossible army and double-crosses Moon, followed by genocide. Of both Mewmans and Monsters. Star: "I hate magic." Also Star: *'was saved by magic throughout the series, by her her own and other's'* Mewman origin copout Everything is LITERALLY Moon's fault btw The magic corruption, racism, Mina, etc Everything was all over the place, my head spun from it all
Even though I’ve replayed the scene thousands of times, I never get over that quick little “surprise!” from Toffee. 10/10 would have Raptor God in an episode again.
One tiny little thing that bugged me in "Here to Help". Kelly and Marco are in the same room, in the infirmary. Kelly is literally _dying_ , especially considering what we see after. Until a few episodes ago, the two were almost best friends, I'd say she was Marco's best friend after Star and Tom, for a little while they even dated ( _ugh... Don't make me think about how it ended_ ) And yet, they don't even exchange a word! Not a "hi", a "we'll try to make you feel better", not a glance, _n o t h i n g_ . It's like they're strangers again. WHAT WAS EVEN THE POINT OF SHOWING US THEY WERE DEVELOPING A BOND, ASIDE FROM A ROMANTIC ONE, IF IT DOESN'T MATTER *AT ALL* . I know it's a tiny thing, but it bugged me very hard.
"ok so we've been hinting at Kellco, lets follow up on that" "but wait, we decided to do Starco." "oh yea, I totally forgot, we haven't set that up at all." "eh, lets just make them break up offscreen for no clear reason and make up something for Tom and Star and then make them kiss." "you're a genius!"
That is not a tiny thing at all. They wrote and animated these two basically becoming close friends throughout season 3. Then season 4 they DEVELOPED feelings for each other and confessed those feelings NATURALLY. Then randomly after 2 episodes they just don't anymore because 🤷♂️. That's why this Starco confirmed moment that Starco fans are beyond happy about feels 100% forced to me. This is bad writing.
Moon: time to trust a psychopath Eclipsa: no Globgor: no Meteora: no Star: no Marco: no Ponyhead: no Kelly: no Toffee: (not coming back because the show hates us) Buff Frog: no Rasticore: no Basically all of Mewni except Moon's 5 family village: no Blue: no Entire Fandom: no Nefcy: D O C T O R S O R D E R S
WARNING A BUNCH OF COMPLAINTS INCOMING: So when I watched the episodes, I was kinda disappointed. The pacing was off and the story is literally revolving around the idea of Star's "boyfriend." She doesnt want to get rid of magic cuz Marco aint in that tapestry and I think thats stupid. She knows how dire the situation is and for her to doubt her solution is dumb. And for the twist with Moon, I dont even know where that came from. It doesnt suit her character, unless shes thinking about the long term effects of it where her ruling would benefit Mewni. But honestly its so bs. Globgor was accepted by the majority of the people and things were going on the right path. There would be absolutely no reason for Moon to get rid of Eclipsa and her family. I honestly thought Moon would understand the value of family after the whole arc with Eclipsa's trial but NOPE. JUST GOTTA RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE HAHAHAHHAHA Ps. I hate Starco so much. We knew they were gonna be together in the end but why did they have to create so much conflict over it? Its so bad. And the fact that they took star and marco away from the others just for them to confess is disgusting. The time the writers wasted is awful. I also knew that kiss was coming because of discord so when I watched the ep, I literally skipped that part cuz I didnt have to deal with that crap. If youre a starco fan, not hating on you specifically, I just hate the way the writers made their realtionship into
Phinieas and Ferb, Gravity Falls, SVTOE, The Owl House Long time ago, the shows live in harmony, but everything changed when S4 STARCO attacked, only the REACTOR, the master of the 4 sUrPrIsE can stop them, but when we needed him the most, he vanished. 100 years later, me (phineas) and ferb found a human (learning to become a witch) named l̶u̶z̶ Blue Order, and although his editing is great, his camera quality has a lot to learn before saving anyone (no offence, i liked it personaly) but I believe BLUE ORDER WILL SAFE ZA WARUDO (Que atla intro) and tofee is clearly zuko (betraying starco to make the show great)
Are only hope is for Toffee to finally Return in the last episode this weekend he's the only Villain to come back one last time in this last season for the show *SURPRISE*
They hyped us up with all these toffee references at the beginning of season 4 and all we get is “surprise!”. What a Fucking insult. We don’t even get any Seth backstory or anything else on the septarians.
What I don't like about the twist of Moon's betrayal is how it directly contradicts the Ghost of Butterfly Castle episode. Mina approached Moon to restart the Solarian program and Moon flat-out declined, she thought it was extreme that she tried to yada-yada Eclipsa, and it ended with her deciding to help neither Mina nor Eclipsa. Then, out of the blue, she changes her mind offscreen and decides to help Mina restart the Solarian program and take down Eclipsa? That's just bad writing.
That SURPRISE was perfect. Star getting with Marco one day after she and Tom broke up doesn't look right, is even worse that they didn't even mentioned him, knowing that he could be stuck in the Magic Dimension. I miss when Moon was my favorite character back in S2 finale and BFM, this is just no.
3:45 Well your not wrong 6:58 the sound of confusion 10:15 Well I will never trust any moon again 13:28 Congratulations you played yourself 17:54 There he is I got a theory what if Toffee come back in Marco's body that would confirm they're conected like your theory
Here is my theory: What if Star brings back Toffee and tells him she agrees with the dangers of magic and offers to take him to the realm of magic so he can repeat his past corruption? I mean in the episode of season 1 where they recreated the Solarian war we see Toffee upset, that can motivate him to help Star defeat Mina and the Solarian warriors. Just a theory, Just a theory
Isn’t the last episode 30 minutes? Summer of Star was a 4-part story and was amazing. I don’t think they’ll be able to pull off anything good or satisfying in 30 minutes
17:53 - 17:59 Blue's reaction here is a meme material [Example] Teacher- So, we are having a school trip You- YES! *claps* Teacher- And only the ones with good grades will go You, who scored a tasty 10 on the test- *YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!*
I just realised, given Moon's history with monsters and her anger over her mother's death it's likely Moon had looked into creating Solarian warriors before, even if she chose not to until now. That's probably how she knew how to do it even without the book.
When you really think about it, Moon was separated from her family for what a few weeks at most when Eclipsa was separated from her family for 300 years, had a mother that didn't approve of her falling in love with Globgor, removed from her place as queen, AND she had to almost kill Meteora which we all know Eclipsa wouldn't want to do
I...honestly wouldn’t do it. I mean, humans, mewmans, monsters - they’ll find another way to start another war even without the magic. Earth history proves it. Why should Star give up Marco for an endless cycle of war? I’d be 100% selfish here or find a different solution
I agree with the first part, it ain't going to stop anything. They probably couldn't have fixed Mina's views, but sitting her down in a pysch ward on earth might've helped.
Marco only has The cheekmarks cause everyone who Is exposed to a high level of magic gets them, if you use it too much they become permanent, as revealed in Star and Marco's guide to mastering every dimension.
I love the gestures you make when they refer to the starco, I imagine what you felt at the end. I imagine what many felt. It was a very obvious ending that I liked. And to those who do not, it's fun to see their faces of suffering. I love your edition.
The finale: Starco is Canon Me: The cleaved World (Earth-ni) now is a mess and a perfect place for Seth and his followers to take revenge for all the s**t they went thought. Also, they maybe want to avenge Toffee too.
On a serious note, I do hope the ending leaves a way for the show to be brought back, or a movie made in the future. Like, everything is wrapped up, everyone is happy, and the scene pans across the landscape, and stops on Toffee, "Surprise!, I'm back." And then it ends.
Okay, in the entirety of these two episodes, there was one moment I really genuinely liked. “I feel like I spent my whole life trying to be cool… but I only got as far as quirky.” “I know what you mean. I think quirky is cool.” I think that's a really quality moment and line, and it lends Janna some desperately needed depth. I really wish she had gotten more moments. It's a pretty touching little death scene, and it's stuck with me in a way that none of the rest of these two episodes did. Oh and Toffee showing up again is cool. But everything else here was just... blegh.
Well, the worse part of this is that Earth and Mewni *are* still gonna be connected to each other after the final. *And the worse part isn't bc it's going to be completely Starco bs* No no no... The writers snuck one last plot point to get back to at the finale, and it promises to keep two characters together to that they *can grow up together.*
9:55 yeah, yeah....i pretty much felt the same way....... i mean its just so, mindboggling how much of a left turn this show took. It was literally one of my favorite cartoons to watch.....and look at it now. And I honestly want to know how the writers feel about this. Are they happy with what they've made?
Ok so Moon said Mina was gonna attack anyway and it would've been way worse than what's happening now. *sip tea* Ok Moon, but one question.... WHAT COULD MINA BY HERSELF DO THAT'S WORSE THAN A WHOLE HULKBUSTER ARMY?! Mina by herself in this armor would've been bad sure, but from what Eclipsa showed us IT'S POSSIBLE TO TAKE ONE DOWN! Now I know you had the anti-warrior spell that you were gonna use just in case things went south, but even with that in your pocket it's still EXTRA STUPID to give Mina a DAMN ARMY!!! And the dumbest thing to me is her reason. She doesn't trust Eclipsa because of the Meteora thing. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!! GET OVER IT! She not trusting Eclipsa but 100% trusting Mina with an army is like me saying I won't trust a stray kitten sitting outside my house but I'll ABSOLUTELY invite Michael Myers over for a sleepover.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone have this kind of reaction during the finale episodes, especially the kiss scene. It’s usually been positive (not that there’s anything wrong with a different opinion)
Manfred: I am so glad that Queen Moon created this beautiful Oasis for all those who oppose Eclipsa's reign. Honestly from season one Mewdependence day I suspected the series would eventually reach a parent vs child STAR wars scenario.
Well, Toffee was a puddle of..."green" magic after Battle of Mewni. Getting rid of "Magic" might not even have an effect on that "corrupted" bit that he made himself out of given how he warped magic to recreate himself. I mean I doubt he's coming back but that could be an easy explanation for his return. Or that bit could surface after the normal magic's gone and he could reside in a new realm of magic as the one's "Glossaryck" since Meteora was being trained for magic by Glossaryck. Don't really see why he'd spend time training her, especially at such a young age, if there's gonna be no magic for her to use.
I'm rewatching these reactions because I also hated how this show ended. And something I realized I really hate about the destroying magic, but loosing Marco plot point... It could have easily been just as emotional and impactful even if the two weren't dating. I genuinely loved the starco relationship /as friends/ But the show decided that, no deep bounds between two people can exist and be meaningful as long as they aren't dating. When Star says: "He can't leave, he's my boyfriend" the creators are saying: "She wouldn't be this emotional, if they were friends, not romantically involved." Because platonic relationships aren't really worth shit, right? You can't grieve over loosing your best friend, that wouldn't be "emotional enough." Star's and Marco's friendship was genuienly great and it's one of the reasons why I hate them as a couple. It's once again a show that has the two main leads, a boy and a girl, fall in love, because of course, disregarding any chemistry they might have with supporting characters. I was so hopeful this would be subverted with the Tom and Star relationship, heck, at one point, I was actually rooting for a Tom, Star and Marco relationship, to get some representation for the poly community, but no. For me, the ending I accept as canon is "cornanation" because I really loved Eclipsa's storyline, but after that, no.
What if it means that all the mewni citizens because they were originally human will be put back on Earth as that’s where they originally came from before the magic took their memories and went down the hole, also giving the monsters their home back. Don’t know if this will happen but just a thought ? Anyone else agree 🤔
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*_S U R P R I S E_*
Edit: So it seems a few people are miffed right now, and they think I'm only mad with this show because "I didn't get what I want / my theories didn't come true," or "Toffee didn't come back," or "I'm just salty because I don't ship Starco / ship something else."
So in response to that, allow me to post my response to a recent comment that asked why I, and many other people, were upset with the show:
It's a matter of bad writing.
The co-creator of the show confirmed sometime in 2018 that they are writing this show as they go along with production.
Now, that writing method works if you're writing for a fun cartoon like Spongebob or something. But if you're writing like that for a story-filled show like SVtFoE is, *_that's a big problem._*
Writing without a set plan is dangerous, they are more susceptible to forgetting plot points they've previously established.
And sure enough, there are a multitude of plot points they opened up in previous seasons, but never did anything with.
- They hinted that Marco has connections with the Butterfly family
- They hinted that Marco has ties with Toffee
- They hinted that Toffee had ties with Star and her family
- They hinted that Toffee has ties to Eclipsa somehow
- They hinted that the Monster Arm would return
- They hinted that Marco would become evil at some point.
So far, the writers have done nothing with these ideas they set up. And there's only the finale left.
That's not to mention the points brought up in the book Daron released.
In the book, a Septarian named "Seth" was depicted. He was revealed to be behind the whole rebellion against the monster king.
Basically, Seth is behind Toffee's motivation to kill Queen Comet and (seemingly) Queen Solaria.
This is an absolutely crucial part of the backstory, yet the show has not mentioned Seth anywhere.
Speaking of the book, another big problem is the fact that the writers keep introducing things that were only shown in the book without any introduction.
Some examples include
- Star didn't want to give Eclipsa the book piece because she knew the Crystal Breaking spell was in there.
- Eclipsa steals the book and attempts to free Globgor using that Crystal Spell
- Reynaldo's existence in general.
All of these things are based off of information that was only shown in the book. They were mentioned nowhere in the show previously. And there was nothing to suggest these things existed (the spell and Reynaldo)
The reason why this is a problem is because not everyone has the book (not everyone knows what happened in it).
And the writers have no problem causally mentioning things from the book with no prior introduction to the people who don't have the book(the large majority of Star's audience doesn't have the book).
This causes confusion for those viewers, and that's just a genuine writing flaw if your story becomes unintentionally confusing.
My next point is with the shipping problems this show has.
I had pointed out after the "Curse of the Blood Moon" episode that at this point in the series, Starco would not work. There was not enough time to establish the relationship naturally. If they tried to make Starco work, it would most likely only sacrifice the pacing and the quality of the story.
Sure enough, in the Dragon Bike episode, the writers decided to break up Marco and Kelly OFFSCREEN.
No matter what show you're writing for, you NEVER break up a relationship offscreen. That's a genuinely horrible thing to do as a writer.
This offscreen, and unexplained breakup rendered the entire Kellco ship seemingly worthless. It confuses me why they even bothered establishing it if they were just gonna break them up after a few episodes.
Soon afterwards, Tom and Star break up too.
This was obviously done so Marco and Star can get together in these past few episodes. It's a forced ship.
Think about it: nothing else in the show show would suggest these relationships would break up at this time. Both of these breakups were spontaneous, and explained with ill reason. All so a certain ship can get together in the end.
Shipping was never the focus of this show, there's no reason why it should be interfering with story like this. It sacrificed the pacing and quality of the story.
A clear example of bad writing.
And there are various plot events that seemingly come out of nowhere.
- Jackie breaks up with Marco because of a cape obsession that was only present for that one episode. This directly affects the story because it causes the setting shift to Mewni.
- Buff Frog and other monsters leave Mewni, despite the kingdom having an active campaign for equality. (They've been oppressed for centuries, and they leave while the PRINCESS of the kingdom is actively trying to solve their problems.)
- Kelly and Marco break up offscreen for no explained reason.
- Tom and Star break up right before they go on a vacation together. Nothing seemed wrong with them before.There isn't a lot that would suggest this would happen. This causes the setting to change back to Earth.
- Toffee plot is interrupted by the random premise of a Beach Day.
Various little things like these that directly impact the story aren't good.
Writing is about setting up, and paying off.
It can't work if either of those things are missing.
Introducing the book stuff had no set-up.
Breaking up the ships randomly had no set-up.
The plot points they set up in earlier seasons had set-up, but no pay off.
So yeah. It's a problem with writing. Which is a shame, because this show's writing used to be absolutely fantastic back in Season 1 and 2.
This is why we're upset. This show fell from grace.
Blue Order I had seen this episode and once toffee said surprise I actually screamed and jumped out of my seat. There ain’t no way this is just Star’s ptsd. If they leave us hanging ima cry.
If ponyhead dies i hope we get the ponyhead show theme playing in the background
Toffeexblueorder torder
i died of laughing when i saw ur face during the kiss
I would like to say that now I am rooting for the return of toffee if that is possible in the last 20 min of the show. I would also like to say that I believe that if star actually does destroy the magic, first Marco will go back to Earth, but also later, all of Mewmanity will go back to Earth as well because given that the first mewmens were humans of Earth, eventually their descendents will come back given that it isn't there original homeworld. If not, then probably something could happen where magic is brought back up again and it's possible for the portals to work again. But this is all just what I believe may happen, we may never know for like the next *5* days!
Toffee : *SURPRISE*
Every other reactor : Aahhhh!
Blue : *YESSSS*
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
That recycled line from Storm the Castle was the only good thing about this nasty, nasty finale. January 23, 2020, 9:19pm
Me and Blue: *YESSSS*
Me: I hate moon
Glad someone said it
Even though Toffee didn’t come back, I like how this highlighted how Toffee succeeded in his goal long before anyone even know what happened. He wanted to destroy magic and set off a series of events to lead to the corruption of magic and eventual destruction of it. He utterly won before anyone had any idea
sanddry ;-; Toffee was my favourite character
gg tofee, LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE FINALE SUCKS, WHYYYYY
still not tofee's fault, creators made the finale bad, not tofee
toffee was the good guy all along
Toffee: *shows up and kills everyone*
Blue order: :D
I'd be cool with it.
Sanji San Same
@@MonkeyDCeddy Me too.
Better than the finale
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 honestly-
17:51 That awkward moment when Raptor God Man was the real hero in all this
Alvaro Perez a surprise it is
I wanted to make a comment about this but I suppose first come first served
If toffee somehow survived, after star destroyer magic he would be truely immortal. He would literally be unstoppable considering he could only be defeated through magic
@@petesthename1588 He could still be killed, it would just require A LOT of effort.
@@petesthename1588 he won, and we all are happy
River remains the best, and only consistent character in this show.
Lenny Lynch Janna too
(Lenny Lynch) Yeah. Janna also stayed good, though.
What about toffee
My boy Tom also needs some praise here.
@@arim004ali9 He didn't stay consistent. He got better!
What if you wanted to end the show in a bad way, but god said SURPRISE
Pokemichael cOUGH
...ahem...
And then God said, "Just kidding! The ending is still gonna suck. But I had you going there for a moment, right?"
A thing about the Starco moment.
_Bullshit_ that Marco "felt that way since the beginning".
Yeah, they tried to patch it with "Oh, but it was not love at first sight, the feelings grew with the time", but... He LITERALLY says he felt "that way" since day one, so, not.
And as I said, _bullshit_ he had a crush on Star for the entire time, first two seasons was TOTALLY into Jackie.
Writing room: Um, Daron, people on the message boards are pointing out that there's LITERALLY no romantic relationship between Star and Marco that isn't related to the Blood Moon Ball. They're calling it mind-rape. What?! Ok, no problem, we'll retcon some in! Starco HAS to happen!
Yeah that redcon didn't make any sense
Yea, that felt weird considering he didn't seem to like her that much overall when they met. However i have to disagree with you on him not having feelings for Star in seasons 1 and 2 though, there were many implicattions he had feelings for Star at the same time as Jackie in both seasons, 1 and specially season 2, but yea the "since the beggening" part makes no sense but ig he meant when they became friends and the feelungs grew ever since.
Yeah it always felt like they were friends for the longest time. Things like the blood moon and the S2 finale pushed things towards more romantic. But for sure they weren’t there from the very beginning. That’s a stupid retcon
Inazuma Sensei you can see since the first episode that he felt that way after Star said all those things at the market so technically it wasn't love at first sight. But since he had feelings for Jackye (without even had talked to her once) Marco decided to keep those feelings away.
Star: ok can we kiss?
HEARTH RATE 9001.
Also toffee is the half life 3 of this show
Never coming.
Moon used illusion 100 on everyone
*_Is this a new meme spree?_*
half-life 3 finally sort of happened kinda
Gives me hope.
#1: Did Marco EVER say that he hates magic?
#2: How does Star, out of nowhere, hate magic? How did she come to this realization? People with magic have done terrible things before. How does she just come to this realization out of nowhere? So confused.
I honestly was confused all throughout the episode at that point.
Moon betrays everyone, revealing (out of nowhere and for no reason) that she wants the thrown back.
Mina arrives with an impossible army and double-crosses Moon, followed by genocide. Of both Mewmans and Monsters.
Star: "I hate magic."
Also Star: *'was saved by magic throughout the series, by her her own and other's'*
Mewman origin copout
Everything is LITERALLY Moon's fault btw
The magic corruption, racism, Mina, etc
Everything was all over the place, my head spun from it all
9:54 he be *TRIGGERED*
17:49 best moment
Even though I’ve replayed the scene thousands of times, I never get over that quick little “surprise!” from Toffee. 10/10 would have Raptor God in an episode again.
One tiny little thing that bugged me in "Here to Help". Kelly and Marco are in the same room, in the infirmary. Kelly is literally _dying_ , especially considering what we see after. Until a few episodes ago, the two were almost best friends, I'd say she was Marco's best friend after Star and Tom, for a little while they even dated ( _ugh... Don't make me think about how it ended_ ) And yet, they don't even exchange a word! Not a "hi", a "we'll try to make you feel better", not a glance, _n o t h i n g_ . It's like they're strangers again.
WHAT WAS EVEN THE POINT OF SHOWING US THEY WERE DEVELOPING A BOND, ASIDE FROM A ROMANTIC ONE, IF IT DOESN'T MATTER *AT ALL* .
I know it's a tiny thing, but it bugged me very hard.
"ok so we've been hinting at Kellco, lets follow up on that"
"but wait, we decided to do Starco."
"oh yea, I totally forgot, we haven't set that up at all."
"eh, lets just make them break up offscreen for no clear reason and make up something for Tom and Star and then make them kiss."
"you're a genius!"
That is not a tiny thing at all. They wrote and animated these two basically becoming close friends throughout season 3. Then season 4 they DEVELOPED feelings for each other and confessed those feelings NATURALLY. Then randomly after 2 episodes they just don't anymore because 🤷♂️. That's why this Starco confirmed moment that Starco fans are beyond happy about feels 100% forced to me. This is bad writing.
@@MonkeyDCeddy Nah this is beyond terrible writing
The Svtfoe playlist is literally Blue Order losing his sanity slowly
Moon: time to trust a psychopath
Eclipsa: no
Globgor: no
Meteora: no
Star: no
Marco: no
Ponyhead: no
Kelly: no
Toffee: (not coming back because the show hates us)
Buff Frog: no
Rasticore: no
Basically all of Mewni except Moon's 5 family village: no
Blue: no
Entire Fandom: no
Nefcy: D O C T O R S O R D E R S
I wonder if River knows about this. The show never makes that clear.
Not just a psychopath, she was very racist, but now she's decided to side with a genocideal racist dictator.
17:52 Is it just me? I seriously saw a spark of hope light up in Blue’s eyes.
17:53 Holy shit now that's some enthusiasm right there
I think he is one of the lizards
When I watched this episode and Toffee said his line
I immediately thought of you and scream
*BLUE IS GONNA LOVE THIS*
*_SURPRISE_*
Saphira star n o
(IRRESISTIBLE) Why not?
Can we just acknowledge that awesome edit at 6:04
I love that part lol 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂🐝
WARNING A BUNCH OF COMPLAINTS INCOMING:
So when I watched the episodes, I was kinda disappointed. The pacing was off and the story is literally revolving around the idea of Star's "boyfriend." She doesnt want to get rid of magic cuz Marco aint in that tapestry and I think thats stupid. She knows how dire the situation is and for her to doubt her solution is dumb. And for the twist with Moon, I dont even know where that came from. It doesnt suit her character, unless shes thinking about the long term effects of it where her ruling would benefit Mewni. But honestly its so bs. Globgor was accepted by the majority of the people and things were going on the right path. There would be absolutely no reason for Moon to get rid of Eclipsa and her family. I honestly thought Moon would understand the value of family after the whole arc with Eclipsa's trial but NOPE. JUST GOTTA RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE HAHAHAHHAHA
Ps. I hate Starco so much. We knew they were gonna be together in the end but why did they have to create so much conflict over it? Its so bad. And the fact that they took star and marco away from the others just for them to confess is disgusting. The time the writers wasted is awful. I also knew that kiss was coming because of discord so when I watched the ep, I literally skipped that part cuz I didnt have to deal with that crap. If youre a starco fan, not hating on you specifically, I just hate the way the writers made their realtionship into
Phinieas and Ferb, Gravity Falls, SVTOE, The Owl House
Long time ago, the shows live in harmony, but everything changed when S4 STARCO attacked, only the REACTOR, the master of the 4 sUrPrIsE can stop them, but when we needed him the most, he vanished. 100 years later, me (phineas) and ferb found a human (learning to become a witch) named l̶u̶z̶ Blue Order, and although his editing is great, his camera quality has a lot to learn before saving anyone (no offence, i liked it personaly)
but I believe
BLUE ORDER WILL SAFE ZA WARUDO
(Que atla intro)
and tofee is clearly zuko (betraying starco to make the show great)
@@arandomguy4409 B-Beautiful...
@@shutupheather5911 thx
If ain't this gorgeous I don't know what is [definitely not the finale of STVFOE]
Are only hope is for Toffee to finally Return in the last episode this weekend he's the only Villain to come back one last time in this last season for the show *SURPRISE*
If Raptor man returns, i will lose my shiiiiiiiiiit
WELL-
*goes to cry in a corner* Be strong Blue Order, be strong...
9:54 that is literally my same reaction with that scene...
the thumbnail is the definition of this whole channel
They hyped us up with all these toffee references at the beginning of season 4 and all we get is “surprise!”. What a Fucking insult. We don’t even get any Seth backstory or anything else on the septarians.
What a waste of potential.
What I don't like about the twist of Moon's betrayal is how it directly contradicts the Ghost of Butterfly Castle episode. Mina approached Moon to restart the Solarian program and Moon flat-out declined, she thought it was extreme that she tried to yada-yada Eclipsa, and it ended with her deciding to help neither Mina nor Eclipsa. Then, out of the blue, she changes her mind offscreen and decides to help Mina restart the Solarian program and take down Eclipsa? That's just bad writing.
Yeah.. season 4 had so many contradictions to the earlier seasons.
17:52
My fellow watchers *that* moment is the only time you see Blue happy.
Marco and Star: *kissing and being happy*
Blue: great now *CAN YOU PLEASE GO SAVE THE WORLD NOW PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING*
**RAPTOR GOD MAN HAS CAME THINE GOD OF LAW AND ORDER**
When I first saw this I actually screamed, RAPTOR GOD MAN. Even with the current situation, we at least we got one last Surprise....
That SURPRISE was perfect.
Star getting with Marco one day after she and Tom broke up doesn't look right, is even worse that they didn't even mentioned him, knowing that he could be stuck in the Magic Dimension.
I miss when Moon was my favorite character back in S2 finale and BFM, this is just no.
3:45 Well your not wrong
6:58 the sound of confusion
10:15 Well I will never trust any moon again
13:28 Congratulations you played yourself
17:54 There he is
I got a theory what if Toffee come back in Marco's body that would confirm they're conected like your theory
I accepted Toffee was dead a while ago, so I'm glad he's still the endgame in some way (his ideals were one of the most interesting things about him)
9:49, 9:54 That's me after this episode.
17:50, 17:58 That also me.
11:34 *insert scene from “The Force Awakens” where the stormtrooper says TRAITOR!*
The last epic moment in the series we should cherish this😔
-sad montage of toffee moments as he's probably, definitely, rest in peace-
Nobody:
Absolutely no one:
Not even a single atom:
Steven to moon: *N O B O D Y L I K E S Y O U B I T C H*
14:30 actually had me dying of laughter
Blue is so good! I never thought I would want to see him angry but here I am, loving this video.
11:33 I just love how pissed star gets here, completely justified rage
Even with the plot kind of losing control, this show still has a place in my heart
9:46 top ten photos taken before disaster.
Here is my theory:
What if Star brings back Toffee and tells him she agrees with the dangers of magic and offers to take him to the realm of magic so he can repeat his past corruption? I mean in the episode of season 1 where they recreated the Solarian war we see Toffee upset, that can motivate him to help Star defeat Mina and the Solarian warriors.
Just a theory,
Just a theory
dumbass,theories aren't even true
They probably won't brng him back cause of his extremist tendencies
Isn’t the last episode 30 minutes? Summer of Star was a 4-part story and was amazing. I don’t think they’ll be able to pull off anything good or satisfying in 30 minutes
17:53 - 17:59 Blue's reaction here is a meme material
[Example]
Teacher- So, we are having a school trip
You- YES! *claps*
Teacher- And only the ones with good grades will go
You, who scored a tasty 10 on the test- *YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!*
I never pressed a Blue Order video as fast as I did today.
SURPRISE!!!!
Me too......
17:49 best moment
Same. I saw the thumbnail and sees Toffee...
SUPRISE!
I skipped some parts
17:54 E X T R E M E O R G A S M
Just Gonna Honest about it.
The Truth about Rose Quartz was a lot more a wham of a reveal about a Mom than Moon's betrayal imo.
I just realised, given Moon's history with monsters and her anger over her mother's death it's likely Moon had looked into creating Solarian warriors before, even if she chose not to until now. That's probably how she knew how to do it even without the book.
I should be sleeping for school but this is more important
When you really think about it, Moon was separated from her family for what a few weeks at most when Eclipsa was separated from her family for 300 years, had a mother that didn't approve of her falling in love with Globgor, removed from her place as queen, AND she had to almost kill Meteora which we all know Eclipsa wouldn't want to do
I feel like you just show the switch there to flex on us, a mirror would be far more effective.
-(I would use a mirror, but I actually legitimately don't have a small one that I can use for this lmao)-
This mans pure joy at the end will make anyone smile
I...honestly wouldn’t do it. I mean, humans, mewmans, monsters - they’ll find another way to start another war even without the magic. Earth history proves it. Why should Star give up Marco for an endless cycle of war?
I’d be 100% selfish here or find a different solution
I agree with the first part, it ain't going to stop anything. They probably couldn't have fixed Mina's views, but sitting her down in a pysch ward on earth might've helped.
Marco only has The cheekmarks cause everyone who Is exposed to a high level of magic gets them, if you use it too much they become permanent, as revealed in Star and Marco's guide to mastering every dimension.
*6:58* wtf
Also 9:17 I found this funny for some reason
10:00
14:30 *nobody likes you bItch*
*17:55** BEST PART*
Me and Blue Order may have very differing opinions when it comes to this show, but he always gives a good reaction and it’s always well edited
Yea, can't agree with his opinion on these episodes but the editing is amazing lol
@@anothernerdontheinternet its hard to disagree when every problem he has with it is completely valid
17:57. DUDE COME ON ITS almost 1:00 am and I’m trying not to wake my entire family!!!
I love the gestures you make when they refer to the starco, I imagine what you felt at the end. I imagine what many felt. It was a very obvious ending that I liked. And to those who do not, it's fun to see their faces of suffering. I love your edition.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE THE EPISODES CAME OUT SKSKSKSKSK
The finale: Starco is Canon
Me: The cleaved World (Earth-ni) now is a mess and a perfect place for Seth and his followers to take revenge for all the s**t they went thought. Also, they maybe want to avenge Toffee too.
On a serious note, I do hope the ending leaves a way for the show to be brought back, or a movie made in the future. Like, everything is wrapped up, everyone is happy, and the scene pans across the landscape, and stops on Toffee, "Surprise!, I'm back." And then it ends.
9:52 best reaction channel ever
Agreed
I fucking knew you were gonna go sicko mode on the *"SU RPR I S E"* part lmaooo
“Hello everybody my name is Florida”
Captions
😂You’re reaction to the Toffee scenes in the end were what I was doing too!! But a lot more jumping around!
17:21 Marco not being on the tapestry period is flat out scary, I feel like it's more than simply "he was sent to earth"
it simply was that he was sent to earth ._.
9:49 - 10:01
is Litteraly me cuz I hate starco so much that I wanna punch the void n never come back
This ship is a force ship n it's not that cute
Oh also, if you like Toffee, you might like a villain in Trollhunters, an AMAZING show.
that's it?
I need a Raptor God man Spin-off show.
*Nice SURPRISE, but where is our man lizard Toffe ?*
Blue: -Casually simps for Toffee cutely-
we still have an episode left guys don't worry raptor god has a chance
pls come back
i just cant get over how fcking awkward the kiss scene is like ????😭😭😭😭😭 its so bad
He's about to be M A D once he see's the finale. I've seen it...not gunna say anymore.
Raptor God Man makes his return triumphantly... In a tapestry.
17:52 officially my favourite clip of your entire channel now oml
The promo for the finale has Toffee's corrupted magic goo in it.
It's POSSIBLE goo-toffee returns, maybe, probably.
Okay, in the entirety of these two episodes, there was one moment I really genuinely liked.
“I feel like I spent my whole life trying to be cool… but I only got as far as quirky.”
“I know what you mean. I think quirky is cool.”
I think that's a really quality moment and line, and it lends Janna some desperately needed depth. I really wish she had gotten more moments. It's a pretty touching little death scene, and it's stuck with me in a way that none of the rest of these two episodes did.
Oh and Toffee showing up again is cool.
But everything else here was just... blegh.
Every reactor: finally toffee is gone
**episodes later**
SURPRISE
Well, the worse part of this is that Earth and Mewni *are* still gonna be connected to each other after the final.
*And the worse part isn't bc it's going to be completely Starco bs*
No no no...
The writers snuck one last plot point to get back to at the finale, and it promises to keep two characters together to that they *can grow up together.*
9:55 yeah, yeah....i pretty much felt the same way....... i mean its just so, mindboggling how much of a left turn this show took. It was literally one of my favorite cartoons to watch.....and look at it now. And I honestly want to know how the writers feel about this. Are they happy with what they've made?
Ok so Moon said Mina was gonna attack anyway and it would've been way worse than what's happening now. *sip tea* Ok Moon, but one question.... WHAT COULD MINA BY HERSELF DO THAT'S WORSE THAN A WHOLE HULKBUSTER ARMY?! Mina by herself in this armor would've been bad sure, but from what Eclipsa showed us IT'S POSSIBLE TO TAKE ONE DOWN!
Now I know you had the anti-warrior spell that you were gonna use just in case things went south, but even with that in your pocket it's still EXTRA STUPID to give Mina a DAMN ARMY!!! And the dumbest thing to me is her reason. She doesn't trust Eclipsa because of the Meteora thing. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!! GET OVER IT! She not trusting Eclipsa but 100% trusting Mina with an army is like me saying I won't trust a stray kitten sitting outside my house but I'll ABSOLUTELY invite Michael Myers over for a sleepover.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone have this kind of reaction during the finale episodes, especially the kiss scene. It’s usually been positive (not that there’s anything wrong with a different opinion)
Manfred: I am so glad that Queen Moon created this beautiful Oasis for all those who oppose Eclipsa's reign.
Honestly from season one Mewdependence day I suspected the series would eventually reach a parent vs child STAR wars scenario.
16:45 stoping to think about it, isn't messed up that star basically pretends to kill her own daughter and a bunch of babies
Blue when One Monster dies
"Oh God!"
Blue when Raptor chainsaw man slices through 20 princesses
"....."
Well, Toffee was a puddle of..."green" magic after Battle of Mewni. Getting rid of "Magic" might not even have an effect on that "corrupted" bit that he made himself out of given how he warped magic to recreate himself. I mean I doubt he's coming back but that could be an easy explanation for his return. Or that bit could surface after the normal magic's gone and he could reside in a new realm of magic as the one's "Glossaryck" since Meteora was being trained for magic by Glossaryck. Don't really see why he'd spend time training her, especially at such a young age, if there's gonna be no magic for her to use.
Toffee may be dead but his ambition is more than alive now.
17:54
Toffee: *SURPRISE!*
Blue: *Y E A H ! ! !*
I've been waiting all day for this. Oh Boy, more Star Reactions
I've BEEN WAITING FOR TOO LONG!!!!!!!
SUPRISE, RAPTORGOD DID CAME BACK!!!
(9:48) - [DYING INSIDE]
(17:52) - [JOY]
I'm rewatching these reactions because I also hated how this show ended. And something I realized I really hate about the destroying magic, but loosing Marco plot point...
It could have easily been just as emotional and impactful even if the two weren't dating. I genuinely loved the starco relationship /as friends/ But the show decided that, no deep bounds between two people can exist and be meaningful as long as they aren't dating. When Star says: "He can't leave, he's my boyfriend" the creators are saying: "She wouldn't be this emotional, if they were friends, not romantically involved." Because platonic relationships aren't really worth shit, right? You can't grieve over loosing your best friend, that wouldn't be "emotional enough."
Star's and Marco's friendship was genuienly great and it's one of the reasons why I hate them as a couple. It's once again a show that has the two main leads, a boy and a girl, fall in love, because of course, disregarding any chemistry they might have with supporting characters. I was so hopeful this would be subverted with the Tom and Star relationship, heck, at one point, I was actually rooting for a Tom, Star and Marco relationship, to get some representation for the poly community, but no.
For me, the ending I accept as canon is "cornanation" because I really loved Eclipsa's storyline, but after that, no.
Hearing Toffee randomly say SURPRISE gave me life. This show has killed me since Boy and his Dragon Cycle. Just.....come back.
Yeah, even if it wasn't the BEST, until episode 13 of this season I was still enjoying it... But after THAT, all went downhill at an incredible speed.
@@InazumaSensei No offense to anyone but everything after episode 12, except for Cornonation, I'm not considering canon.
Cornonation is the true series finale. I mean, no raptor, but... Well, desperate times need desperate measures.
THESE ARE WINTER BOOTS
IM FUCKING WHEEZING
7:50: Yeeah, screw you, Moon! XD
*HOLY SHOOTING STARS I AM EARLY-*
Awesome video btw , i love your reactions and how you edit them ! ^^
“Oh there goes his teeth..”
*Quirky gets stabbed*
Me: There goes his organs..
What if it means that all the mewni citizens because they were originally human will be put back on Earth as that’s where they originally came from before the magic took their memories and went down the hole, also giving the monsters their home back. Don’t know if this will happen but just a thought ? Anyone else agree 🤔
Raptor God man is inevitable
Even in the most tiniest moment he eventually returns
Blue : bet you toffee will be back
*toffee say one word*
Writers : 17:54