@@shyamlok bruhh you're so positive it'll be slower than 4070 Super with 8gb of VRAM. Remeber 4060 ? that thing was slower than 3060Ti while also having less VRAM than 3060.
Does anyone remember when the 10 series came out and the 1060 was just as powerful as the 980, like within 5% difference in performance or something, and we were mind-blown? I wish we'd get that nowadays but no.
I predict horrible prices, piss poor performance improvements, ray tracing still running like ass and needing 3 layers of AI to run modern games at an ok fps
I predict gamers should just turn off RT for now. Much like AI, it's like 5+ years away from prime time. At this point the huge increase in power consumption and drop in FPS just isn't worth the better lighting / reflections. But then again I feel the same way about 144 Hz displays and the like; I'd rather a cool, quiet, efficient, durable system running at a stable 60 FPS.
@@notstarboard 5 years ago people said rtx is 5 years away from then. LOL i always laugh at people making silly predictions for the future. Realistically rtx isnt anywhere near close to prime time, if we get 1 new gpu every 3 years were looking at atleast 3 generations before were at the level that rtx doesnt tank performance in a meaningful way, so atleast 9 years. Nowhere near 5.
"Low end ... below 400 dollars". That's low-end these days? Not that long ago low-end were all cards below 200 dollars and mid-range was 200~350 dollars. Oh, the good old times.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I mean, the 1000 series only finished in 2018. During that time, the 1080Ti was like £600-700. The equivalent 40-series is like £2000. The 1080 was like £450, the 4080 is like £1200. 6 years is not long enough for a 200-300% markup.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v cost were going up every where. When new nodes coming out the wafer cost usually almost double then the previous gen. 16nm is $4000. 7nm is $9000. 5nm is $17, 000. Roughly in 6 years wafer cost has been going up by more than 4 times.
Recently, you guys asked a poll question about B-roll footage. I would like to slightly amend my answer to: the balance is fine, but if we could maybe get B-roll footage (over, say, the outro of the video) of you guys doing the photoshoots for the thumbnail images, that'd be grand.
Yikes, these prices are still just way too high. I know everyone is in their own situation, but for me I'm out - by the time my GPU dies I'll just switch to integrated graphics and play older games. I can't justify these prices for an occasional hobby.
@@albert2006xp It's a fair point :) but it's interesting to see what is coming down the line to us mere mortals in 5-10 years time. I've unsubscribed from all tech channels except Level1Tech, and maybe I'll look in again in 5 years or so to see if things have improved
I don't know what you're rocking there, but I was rather surprised that I can get mostly everything to run on my 7840U based laptop without a dGPU. Nominally that's around an RX 470/GTX 1650 GPU, but because I can adjust the VRAM aperture up to 16GB I can crank textures to the moon. And being a tad stronger than a Steam Deck I can just use that as the baseline. Most new games want a Steam Deck mode, and I expect that to be the case for some time to come.
@@zwieback1988 sorry my initial comment was quite unclear I reckon. I mean it's too late now to buy into this generation. I can wait another 6 months and I'll just buy a complete new PC (9800x3d, either a 5080 or AMD equivalent). I dont know why i was so naive, but I wanted/hoped prices would settle lower and faster than they did. Current 7900xt price point (1000CAD) is the price point I wanted, but it happened so late I'm just going to sit that gen out.
@@karlhungus545 Def. They make way more money selling AI/pro cards, at that point selling gaming gpus is just a side thing that is not as profitable and a bad business decision when you think in financial terms only.
I've had an RTX 4090 for almost a year and a half. It's still overpowered in most of my games. It's not Nvidia's style, but I do hope they use the 50 generation to focus on improvements with the low to mid range cards rather than a 5090 that is 50% faster (and more expensive) that an already OP card. Every card should have 16GB VRAM at minimum, even at US$299, not to mention GDDR7 with >128-bit bus and even DisplayPort 2.0.
Not to rain on your parade, but the 5060, if it ever comes out, will likely be an 8GB card for $400. It will likely perform about the same as a 4060 ti. Nobody will buy it but that's fine, Nvidia is making bank on the AI chips and the $2000 rtx 5090. They don't care!
It's overpowered in MOST gaming use cases. The one place where even the 4090 is not enough is in the super high end VR space where there are now headsets coming out that need to render more pixels than an 8k display
yeah, the only reason I upgraded is cuz my PC was almost a decade old with a gtx 960 and intel 4th gen. it was still usable but I couldn't play Elden ring and the Witcher wasn't the best experience on it. If you don't even have something to do with a GPU just don't upgrade.
Exactly this. I've had my 4090 since launch week and up to now I've only played about 8 new games total since then. Forget hardware, I want more interesting games.
I managed to pick up an open box / ex display (still had all the peels on the card, basically brand new) 7800 XT Merc for £375 while ebay had one of their discount codes for some sellers on. Upgraded from an RX580,I just wasn't willing to wait any longer and I'm really happy with the upgrade.
People forgot that we use to play console for 7 years at a time until the next gen comes in. Now companies are trying to update their products annually to make you spend more.
Why not buying now ?! Amd wont launch anything this year neither intel or nvidia only rtx 5090 will launch so if you have a pc even if it have 1050 ti stay on it and wait but you will wait until next year so keep that in mind but you dont have go and buy waiting will be a disaster you will to wait until next summer for discounts and new gpus i learned the hard way with last 2 gens
I think at some point you have to accept that inflation is a thing. However using inflation as an excuse for the 4060 ti, 4070 and 4080 pricing, that's just silly.
@@ofon2000 It's not inflation, it's margins. They've been wanting to kill off the low-end for a few years now and focus solely on the lucrative halo products which make them the most money (even if some the $15-$30 entry level graphics cards they might produce would still be priced in the
@@sulphurous2656 Steam hardware survey is only platform & there a many other platforms. You can't just take a single platform & make claim that it's the whole market.
@@sulphurous2656 ?? just the 580 and 6600 combined have a higher percent share than the 4090, so saying that there are more 4090s than all amd gpus just doesnt make sense.
@@pinkgrognak Its true statement but when talking about 4090 vs current gen AMD gpus on steam survey, or at least was at some point in the past (also because only 7900xtx makes the list with about 0.4% usage while 4090 has around 1% on steam. He either forgot or hes parroting something he saw but didnt quite understood.
didn't wanna wait anymore and got 12.5% off on a 4080 super proart which was already one of the cheaper models out of all the 4080s for some reason... with the AI BS going on I am not expecting 5080's to deliver much better price/performance vs. current ones... and I didn't want to wait that long either... upgrading from a 3060 ti which is already struggling to keep up with my needs, so it will be nice improvement... I don't live the price but whatever doesn't seem to get any better
That monopoly happen because no one really interested in a market that have expensive venture with little return. Else we already see ARM, Imagination and Qualcomm discrete gpu on store shelves right now.
@@arenzricodexd4409 i think there is huge logic fault in your statement. if it is an expensive venture with little return then why nvidia is the most valuable company in the world? and those discrete gpus are here in the room with us? wishful thinking at best.
@@mc_sim nvidia exist for almost 30 years now. Back in the 90s there were dozens of company competing for grahpic accelerator. Where are they now? Why they did not become another trillion company like nvidia? Because gaming hardware market did not really bring in big money. Nvidia become the 3 trillion company because of AI not gaming.
@@arenzricodexd4409 partially i agree with you but still you can't say that this market isn't profitable - intel tried a few times entering this market and definitely not for the purpose of losing money. and their failure also doesn't mean it's not profitable.
We aren't Nvidia's customers. If another gamer NEVER bought an NVIDIA GPU they wouldn't even care. AI is going to carry that company untill everyone realizes it's a stupid bubble that bursts in 5-10 years.
The GPU market has been depressing since Turing (2018), especially in Europe. Honestly I'm going to change my 1080 Ti with an RDNA 4 GPU to replay my favorite games in very good conditions, but it's probably going to be my last real desktop upgrade. After that I'm dropping the enthusiast market, at least for gaming.
You have a 1080ti but you're dropping the enthusiast market? that makes no sense, that's like an 8 year old card, an enthusiast would have a 3090 or 4090.
@siphi7583 It's obvious, he was an enthusiast purchaser but not anymore. Everything's sucked lately. I got a 4070ti and it cost almost 1.5x the price of my 1080 in Canada. The 4080 was absurdly priced back then and its barely gotten any better
@@lunawense6288 Yeah, I mean you're pretty much saying what I did, they already dropped the enthusiast market like 5 or 6 years ago, an enthusiast would buy a top tier card every gen and 1080ti is like 7 or 8 years old, that's like a 3 gen skip.
A few weeks ago I sold my 1.5 years old rtx4090 (basically for MSRP price) and bought rx6800xt for $350 to use untill the release of 5000 series of cards. But now I'm questioning if I even need a top tier GPU, all games I play run just fine on rx6800xt. Maybe I'll just skip that generation altogether
Unless you're running RT (which to be honest here, just a handful of games look that amazing with it) it's all you need. beside, running bang for the buck build gives some satisfaction too. Wise step imo
If the 5080 doesn't dethrone the 4090 and launches at $1200 then the 4090 price should hold on the second hand market although probably between current prices and 5080 price ( below the price you got for it) . I learned my lesson with crypto mining boom not to sell until replacement card in possession. With Ch!na eyeing Taiwan I'll hold on to my 4090 till I get a replacement card.
This is the crux. 4090 performance is very nice, but is there a game that a 4080 can't play? 4080 is nice, but is there any game a 4070ti can't play? Ok, I might not play in max settings 4K, but cranking settings down by like 10% and saving myself a casual £1000 is just a no-brainer.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v a 4080 is a waste get a 4070 ti super or a 4090 a 4080 strix is the msrp of a 4090 at the price spend a couple hundred more bucks for a noticeable increase in performance especially if you want to run at native 4k
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v 4k is just an absurd waste of money. 1440p or even 1440p ultrawide high refresh will 100% of the time provide a better gaming experience than 4k. I fell into the 4k trap with the 1080ti and spent the last 7 years regretting it. Unless you have a larger than 34" monitor there is basically zero visual difference between 1440p and 4k, for that you get way lower fps, increased power draw, more expensive cards that don't last as long etc. A 7900xtx at 1440p is pushing way over 100 fps in even the most demanding games at 1440p, a 4090 will not be able to hold 60 fps at 4k long before an xtx can't hold 60 fps at 1440p, and I get the benefit of 165hz native resolution in many other games. Oh, and RT is dumb and will remain dumb for at least another generation, if not 2, but even if you like RT 1440p monitors are still superior there too.
@vagamer522 was just a touch out of my range. So I pulled the 7700x and paired it with a 7700xt. Might have been able to squeeze a 7800xt, but life has other priorities.
@@pravnav 4080 performance for £500 seems fair to me and worth paying for. I will be interested to see. Hopefully AMD is super competitive in pricing to undercut Nvidia and try and gain loads of market share like they did with CPUs back with Ryzen launch.
If the 5080 is similar in performance to the 4090 and only a little cheaper, that might not be worth waiting for. The 5090 looks to be the only new card with a big leap in performance, but that's probably going to cost an obscene amount. Thumbs up for great videos.
And what we keep on showing _ every _ time _ is that they can get away with it. If so, then why change? Start to understand that and then you're getting the change we should see.
People keep buying it. It is the people that hold the power, the sheep are just too stupid to realize that if they hold out playing their perfectly capable cards and force almost no sales of Ngreedias new cards, they will be forced to drop prices drastically to please their masters on the board
For me the problem is the lack in increase in performance for the same price. A $250 - $350 card is the same performance tier as 3 gens ago. All that's changed is the extra's like DLSS, RT at the low end really doesn't matter as you don't have the FPS to spare for that.
NVIDIA = most valuable company on Earth now. AMD has given up entirely on high-end cards. Combine that with limited wafer availability and you have a recipe for disaster. I can almost guarantee you that all the cards below the 5090 will be incredibly underwhelming, with little to no perf/dollar increases. Expect a repeat of the 40-series where all cards except the top card are crap and overpriced. NVIDIA has everything they need now with the AI boom, they're not going to waste precious silicon on making good gaming GPU's unless you are one of the few who spends big on the 5090. Those wafers are better spent selling huge AI chips to big corporations, it's much more profitable.
nvidia is not the most valuable company dude, not even close, even if we talk tech only you get Microsoft and Apple on front. Also nvidia stock is going down for a few weeks, AI has fallen has no one wants to pay for it since it's not even actual AI
the only reason why i would want to upgrade to a 5090 is because i am planning to get one of these new 4k 240hz oled monitors and while there is no new game i plan to play maxed out, a 5090 sure as hell comes in handy utilizing that monitor while playing my current games.
I've never had my own gaming PC. I've been saving up starting this summer. I'm looking at a 7800x3d and 7900 GRE. I don't really have anything else to use, such a tricky situation for me
Mate that is nothing to sniff at. Easy to cool, easy to get pretty cheap memory with, it'll be a really sensible build and has a pretty good medium term upgrade path.
If you are near a MicroCenter, they do have bundles that include a GPU. Their current AMD 4-piece bundle is 7800X3D, decent ASUS mainboard, 32GB G.Skill 6000 RAM, and AMD reference 7900XT, for $210 off the regular price. I live about 15 minutes from MC so I always get their stuff. If you don't live near one, I'm sorry.
You’re making the smart play with AM5. The 9800X3D will be compatible. Probably the 11800X3D after that. Considering that, don’t feel too much pressure to get a 7800X3D right away. Although it IS an awesome chip, you could alternatively get a 7600 for now with the plan to upgrade CPU to 9800X3D or 11800X3D later.
Been on a RX 6900 XT for some time now, currently playing Ghost of Tsushima at highest settings on a 1440p screen and getting 130fps. I think I am good for now, but the 7900 xtx is still tempting me.
For most of us with high end 30 series or mid to high 40, there should be no need to upgrade for a few years. The games on PC coming out should be fine with our current builds.
True, but also for some (most?) people: fomo + bragging rights + enthusiast builds, so the 5090 will still sell at whatever ridiculous price they set it to
I'd argue a mid range 30 series is just fine as well. even a 3060 can work perfectly fine since the AAA games are kinda trash lately. Elden Ring ghost of Tsushima etc. etc. run perfectly well on that.
@@ghosthunter0950 To a degree - but we can see how the hardware is starting to struggle, especially when pushing UE5 features, for everything else though, I think a 3060 is ok.
I think if you're spending four figures or more you should wait. If you're gonna spend that you damn well better be getting the best card(s) on the market period and you won't be getting that for long if you buy now. I'm gonna wait. Plus I've got the 1080Ti, so Not only could I wait out the rest of this generation, I could even skip the next gen and go for the upgrade in 2026-27 timeframe if I really wanted to.
I built a new machine in March of 2024 with a 7800X3D and 7900 GRE. I'm very impressed by the 7900 GRE for the price:performance and it has 16GB VRAM. With a simple OC in Adrenalin it trades blows with NVIDIA competition for less money. The 7900 GRE is my go to recommendation this generation for people shopping in the ~$500 tier.
There is currently some great deals on the 7800xt as well as the couple of bonus games if they suit. I just ordered one at $450USD equivalent in Oz to upgrade my 5700xt because waiting and hand wringing for 10% more performance for another 20% in price is garbage. Tim's crystal ball was wrong last year and the one before and ....
@@qwerty-dm8gr the 7900gre is almost $200 more where I live, I'm only considering the 7800xt because is the limit of my budget sadly, by ty for the recommendation anyways
@@qwerty-dm8gr Not true at least in Oz. It was a fairly decent jump in price over it's fairly minor performance bump and if I rember the graphs properly the 7800xt was better in frames/$
It appears that Nivida has a tick tock pattern: 2000 series almost no improvement for price "But we have Ray tracing" 3000 series improvement for price 4000 series no improvement for price "But we have frame generation " So unless they have some super "innovative" improvement, I would e pect some price to performance improvement
It does follow that pattern, but I think it's actually about implementing new technology in one generation and then maxing out in the next generation. 30 and 40 gen are very comparable overall, but 40 series are more efficient and so have a smaller form factor.
Same as the last decade, 600 series then 700 series no progress other than on the high end, then 900 gen to bring people up to speed and i expect the 5070/5070 ti will be something like the 970 in terms of value and you know the rest, except we won't get this decade's 1080 ti, they won't make that mistake again.
@@groenevinger3893 My 2080 can play Cyberpunk @ 4K with DLSS on medium settings w/o ray tracing and get 45-60 fps... it truly is a great technology. Otherwise its unplayable. 4070 Ti 16GB is what I'm eyeing as an upgrade.
2 years ago you predictoed GPU discounted, it did not happen. Last year you did the same and it did not happen. Lets stop being naive here, there will be no sale in november once again.
@@qwerty-dm8gr That's the worst insult I've ever heard herearound, I think these are rational people and enjoy listening to them. No doubt there will be individual discounts if not manufacturer discounts when the new gen arrives...unless the new gen merely arrives in a higher price tier..we'll see. Lots shall be clearer around Christmas.
Thanks for the video Tim, too bad that the prices haven't dropped as much as expected. I know that you guys are really not very fond of the Intel GPUs, but any news on the Battlemage lineup/price/launch date?
You just being cheap at this moment. You can't even max out games at 4K240 with RT Ultra Pathtracing. Go grab that RTX5090 SUPER ti Ultra Boost 69GB GDDR9+ RIGHT NOW. On serious note, you are not really the audience that is expected to buy new GPU, you have recent high tier GPU. Those who would be interested are those with old or budget systems like RX6700XT, RTX2060, GTX1080, etc.
Got myself a 7900 XTX. recently & couldn’t be more happy, runs everything & runs reasonably cool compared to my old Nvidia , I’ll take another look in 2025 when it all washes out, I don’t think Nvia could care less about GPU’s right now.
My guess is TSMC fab time is going to determine what they prioritize and how they will view gaming as an opportunity cost (to your point) vs AI and datacenter silicon. Even Intel is getting their new cloud-centric 144 core CPU made at TSMC on their cutting edge node. I would bet that designers like Intel/AMD/Nvidia are competing hard for fab capacity.
Note that wanting to upgrade your GPU is not only for "running latest games". Some people want to move to a higher resolution, higher settings, or newer features (DLSS and raytracing if they can't do it now). Also, if you're comfortable with buying/selling used -- don't wait. Buy now and then sell in 9 months or whenever you can upgrade again. There seems to always be new tech around the corner. Life is short, enjoy the now!
This videos are great, the thing is, companies adjust to market, not the other way around, so we can deduce that people still buying bad priced GPUs since prices keep the same, and this won't change anything.
I'll only upgrade if I can either get 24gb vram for relatively cheap(1000$) or 48gb on the high end. No im not buying a 3090 that was used for cryptomining.
I have been with Team Red since the ATI HD-5990 days and currently own a 6800 XT. However, the time has come to change sides. The constant crashes and driver dropouts have become a joke over the past 4 years. That's why I'll be switching to Team Green and getting a RTX 4080 Super once the 50 series cards have been on shelves for a few months. I might even get a 50 series card, but it all depends on what prices look like. It's been a ride, ATI/AMD.
The only next-gen "GPU" worth considering to look into is in the Handheld gaming PC and the Mini pc market with AMD's newest Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 or the AI 9 365. (depending on which company wants to put into those devices of course and depending on price thats why I say look into not buy.) because GPD is claiming that the HX370 is to have really good results when it comes to gaming, based on the timespy being 4,221 at 54W which would make the 890M being faster than the 780M by 36%. comparing to be better than the 2050 Nvidia Laptop GPU but not better than the 3050 Laptop GPU. So For handheld gamers/mini pc gamers, this will be an exciting line of upcoming integrated graphics GPU's to look into, if true.a
Actually this is rather amazing to think about igpu coming in close to the performance of the lowest of the low end gpus, even if it's from 2 generations ago. Like I think you can squeeze over 60fps in most games at 1080p mid to high settings and fsr or dlss if applicable.
Yeah, after the complete no-show for next gen 50 series or RDNA 4 at Computex, I took advantage of AMD's current promo, getting an XFX Speedster Qick 319 7800 XT for $669+Tax CAD. Sold my 3070 Ti for $350 to a kid that could barely grow facial hair. I think we both came out ahead here.
Nvidia never show their next gen series a few months ahead of actual launch. The last time they do that was with GTX480. but that's because fermi already late by almost half a year at that point.
my concern with a 5090 or 5080 is the 12 pin connect socket and the melting issue as the current leaks suggest more power is going to go through that weak link. Will it work or become slag? btw I have no intent to buy as I have a 4080 super which max outs fps on a 165mhz 1440p monitor, a faster card isn't going to be better fps is it?
"a faster card isn't going to be better fps is it?" are you serious? yea a 4090 for an ex will give you notably more fps but if i were you id upgrade my monitor to at 1440 oled 240hz oled panel at least
@@iDeparture but if your monitor is capped at 165mhz, how can a 4090 give you 200fps? It can't as its breaks the laws of physics. I'd have to buy a higher mhz monitor or a 4k monitor to see an improvement the 4090 has to offer. I like my monitor it has true black and HDR 600
@@tommyrotton9468 oh i thought you mean just an increase in performance. and lcd monitors (ips, va and tn panels) dont have true blacks because they use backlight strobing and dont have true hdr because True HDR requires a 10-bit or higher color depth, at least 1,000 nits to accurately display the increased contrast and color gamut and local dimming tho some can come close but trust me get an oled and you will not regret it
@@tommyrotton9468 the point is that you get a better experience with a faster card bc you cant just look at average FPS, you have to look at 1% lows and even 0.1% lows. So lets say your 4080 maxes out your 165hz screen, it does that in the AVERAGES. It will have framedrops, the 1% lows can be like 70FPS for example , and the 0.1% can be like 30 FPS. Thats game dependent but the 1% and 0.1% lows are basically always lower than the average. At least if you dont play Tetris with a 4090 and lock it to 30 FPS. In that case there wouldnt be a single framedrop below the 30FPS, obviously. But in more intensive games, theres almost always room for improvement in the 1% and 0.1% lows. And those lows tell you how consistent your gaming experience is, basically how many hiccups/stutters. The closer the lows are to your average, the smoother is your experience. So yes, it will make a difference, the 4090 will have more frames at the the 165FPS monitor limit, less frame drops below that. The 4080 will have worse 1% and 0.1% lows aka a less consistent experience. also in new intensive games, especially UE5 games, you will use DLSS upscaling even with a 4090 to get to 165FPs in 1440p. Especially if you want to play maxed out, if available very high RT. And if we talk about PT (path tracing), you wont get close to 165FPs, not even with a 4090. So Theres always headroom. And as said theres always room for getting higher 1% and 0.1% lows with a faster card.
@@tommyrotton9468 I plan to buy a 5090 (I def will buy one) and I will pair it with a 240hz 4k OLED. Even if the 5090 is like 40-60% faster than a 4090 (which it will be), I dont expect to come close to 240hz in the intensive 4k games. I will in some games, but I absolutely know that I wont be able to max it out in really intensive games (that currently exist), before I upgrade to like a 7090. But only, if the newest games by that point arent even more intensive than the current ones lmao. And then Im sure that I could increase the 1% and 0.1% lows even further by using an even faster card with the same monitor. So theres always room for improvement. And if its not for current games, it will be for future games. Bc one thing is for sure - upcoming ultra high fidelity AAA games wont get easier to run.
You know what? My 7900xt , my sister's 3070ti, my wife's 3080ti, my moms 1080ti all run the games we want in coop. We are having a blast. My wife and I do VR with out GPUs. So, we are not buying squat for a while. My mom is running two 1080p screens for work and then pulls up black ops 3 zombies , killing floor 2 or something her speed. So, she isn't struggling . Lol. Even remnant 2 runs fine.
When the lowest end 40 series card is $300 and the highest end card is $1600, $500 is practically considered budget. AMD does a bit better at a range between $270 and $1000, but even then it's not great.
I decided not to wait because I wasn't going to buy a 5080 or 5090 due to being out of my price range. My 4070 ti super pairs well with my current build with no need to change any of my components.
Neither, I’ll use what I have until it dies. The market is ridiculous, everyone’s about AI, game standards are dropping, prices are worse than Covid times now.
What do you mean "still". This is a great setup by today's standard. By contrast I am "still" rocking a vega56 with ryzen 2600. The value of new cards has been terrible since then.
3080 with 5800x3d and 32 gb of DDR4. I play everything at 4k ultra settings above or around 60fps, and I'm content. I only see the need to make small incremental upgrades for the foreseeable future.
That is only a bad card for 4k gameplay max settings for new games. 4k max settings just start to demolish these 3000 series rtx cards. But for 4k I would also recommend a good 4k monitor in first place.
There are also rumors that the memory bus width and amount will be the same as RTX 4000 series, so it looks like my 3060 TI would have to serve me for one more generation. Oh well, 6060 TI it is then. Considering I was lucky enough to find it right after it came out in December 2020 before scalpers got their hands on it, I am extremely happy with my purchase. I just hope it doesn't die out unexpectedly. I also wish AMD gave more competition, especially where ray-tracing is concerned but they seem to be as content as nVidia.
Most I spent on a gpu was nearly $500 and over $350 on a cpu. But these days I will never do that again for a cpu as I'll stick to $200 range and try between $300-400 for a gpu so I agree with this.
I'm still amused remembering what a price jump GTX 1060 to 2060 was. And then how 2060/S/3060/4060 are such tiny improvements from one card to another.
don't buy now wait until the new ones come out, then when the new ones come out, wait even longer because the prices will drop, then continue to wait until the new ones are about to come out
IMO if it's less than a year until new generation and you don't desperately need a new GPU, you should wait. You shouldn't wait for price drops though and you probably shouldn't wait more than a year.
Gpu manufacturers gave up on gamers, it's time to do the same. 1080p high is still good enough and there are plenty second hand gpu's that can do that. IF a high end gpu is gonna cost as much as a used car, no thx.
Gone are the days when you could expect a 5x to 10x improvement from a generation or two. Compare a 4070 Super to a 1660 Super. Four years and three generations later, the 4070 Super is not much over twice as fast as a 1660 Super, but uses nearly twice the power. The next generation may have a board that costs 5x as much as a 1660 Super cost, but it won't be 5x as fast. Lot's of people look excitedly for the next generation of GPUs hoping that finally we'll see real progress again, but I think those days are behind us.
11:48 Then it's going to be another skip generation. I can't wait to skip it! 👌 *They can shove their 192-bits.* 😘 256-bits on the 70-class or gtfo. ALL 70-class cards in the last DECADE came with 256-bit, since the GTX 670. Nvidia really screwed the pooch with the 40-series. Then they wonder why lowest sales in over 20 years. 🤔 Gee... I WONDER WHY.
@@darudesandstorm7002 That's because everyone and their grandma thinks they can make money from AI. And other company shareholders demand AI slapped on everything because they think it will generate more money for them. They're wrong. It will be the same as with crypto shit. Nvidia will milk them for everything, then move on to the next best thing. I'm kind of sick of hearing "AI'. AI mice, AI hats, AI monitors, AI apps, AI, thermal paste, AI chewing gum. ENOUGH already! Jesus! The Nvidia CTO came out in 2023 and said that crypto is useless to society (implying that Ai sUrELy iSn'T). The bubble WILL burst and the other shoe will drop. We just have to suffer through ridiculous prices rn, by holding off on purchases.
Who wonders here? Who is "they", I WONDER. Obviously, "they" isn't Nvidia, because they obviously know what they use their wafer allocation for and which market to milk for them juicy profits...
@@elgonzo7239 There were numerous articles last year when the 40-series came out saying that this generation had the lowest sales in over 20 years. Because all of the GPUs (except for maybe the 4090) were shifted by 1-2 tiers: - the "4070" is really a 4060. - the "4060 Ti" is really a 4050. - the "4060" is really a 4030 Ti. The REAL 4070 is now $800. And is called "4070 Ti SUPER". Same price as the 1080 Ti was (arguably the best GPU Nvidia ever made). 😐
I'm fully prepared to wait it out till Rubin/RDNA 5 and pair it with a mature AM5 platform and Zen 6 X3D, my 5800x3D and 3080 12gb are serving very well paired with an odyssey G7, until we see some competent 4k performance from sub thousand dollar GPUs it won't be worth it to upgrade for most people on a 3060 or better.
Idk why, but even though I don't really need it, I wanted the 7900gre since it came out lol. I'm still gonna wait to see what they come up with for the next gen.
Still waiting for the 6090 release, just for giggles. My good old 6950xt from MSI It's still absolutely beautiful no matter what I throw at it, especially considering the fact that I bought it new for $570 2 years ago. It's a pity of course that this is not a sapphire card, since they are the GOAT.
Cant wait for 5070 to be slower than 4080
it wil be slower than the 4070 ti super
@@shyamlok bruhh you're so positive it'll be slower than 4070 Super with 8gb of VRAM. Remeber 4060 ? that thing was slower than 3060Ti while also having less VRAM than 3060.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat xD
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Cause AMD = Absolute mediocre dumpsterfire. Who buys radeon,
nvidia or die xd
Does anyone remember when the 10 series came out and the 1060 was just as powerful as the 980, like within 5% difference in performance or something, and we were mind-blown? I wish we'd get that nowadays but no.
The more you wait, the more you save.
I'ma get me a new gpu when I have a walker again.
Amen 🙏
Since 2017 i saved much money with my 1080ti but now its finally time to replace it.
And the more you wait, the more you don't enjoy better hardware. It isn't a win-win situation.
Honestly my only worry is power draw. If the next cards are super efficient I would be sad I upgraded
It almost looks likes GPU makers don't want to make gaming graphic cards anymore lol
*AI*
dont blame them tbh. They dont that much from gamers
They don't. They can only make so many chips so why wouldn't they want to make more that they can sell for way more than gaming cards?
Nvidia just became the world's most valuable company. Gaming GPUs are now just a comparative minor slice of their overall revenue income stream.
Thats good. It means that they cant sell this crap for this much money.
6:50 - Thanks guys for displaying the release months on previous gen cards for reference.
I predict horrible prices, piss poor performance improvements, ray tracing still running like ass and needing 3 layers of AI to run modern games at an ok fps
Expect the worst and cant be disapointed I see your tactics sir
I predict gamers should just turn off RT for now. Much like AI, it's like 5+ years away from prime time. At this point the huge increase in power consumption and drop in FPS just isn't worth the better lighting / reflections. But then again I feel the same way about 144 Hz displays and the like; I'd rather a cool, quiet, efficient, durable system running at a stable 60 FPS.
@@notstarboardand also lumen showed that rt is not a requirement for good lights by kicking its ass, with fps performance in the first place
@@notstarboard You had me in the first half ngl.
@@notstarboard 5 years ago people said rtx is 5 years away from then. LOL i always laugh at people making silly predictions for the future. Realistically rtx isnt anywhere near close to prime time, if we get 1 new gpu every 3 years were looking at atleast 3 generations before were at the level that rtx doesnt tank performance in a meaningful way, so atleast 9 years. Nowhere near 5.
The Thumbnail of Tim listening to the GPU like it's a conch shell is hilarious 🤣
But instead of the ocean, you hear the creaking and swishing of Jensen's jacket.
"Low end ... below 400 dollars".
That's low-end these days? Not that long ago low-end were all cards below 200 dollars and mid-range was 200~350 dollars.
Oh, the good old times.
That "not long ago" is almost a decade now...
@@arenzricodexd4409 2017
@@arenzricodexd4409
I mean, the 1000 series only finished in 2018.
During that time, the 1080Ti was like £600-700.
The equivalent 40-series is like £2000.
The 1080 was like £450, the 4080 is like £1200.
6 years is not long enough for a 200-300% markup.
Money becoming increasingly lower in value is not helping.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v cost were going up every where. When new nodes coming out the wafer cost usually almost double then the previous gen. 16nm is $4000. 7nm is $9000. 5nm is $17, 000. Roughly in 6 years wafer cost has been going up by more than 4 times.
RTX 5070: same performance as the 4070 Ti but costs $200 more for no reason
rtx 6070 same performance but more efficient then 5070
its a called greed. Nvidia fans love it and support every time over and over. They can't control themselves and Nvidia knows it. its like crack
Don't worry, they'll introduce another new AI feature that will be artificially locked to only 5000-series cards.
DLSS 4 coming at 9,99$ per month 😂
"frame gen 2.0 :p"
Recently, you guys asked a poll question about B-roll footage. I would like to slightly amend my answer to: the balance is fine, but if we could maybe get B-roll footage (over, say, the outro of the video) of you guys doing the photoshoots for the thumbnail images, that'd be grand.
Nvidia preparing to grind every last cent out of their loyal customers
Why are you "loyal"?, they are a company, their literal job is to squeeze every last cent out of you to return maximum profits to shareholders.
@@Battleneter look we have fan of greed
@@Alwayslifted Welcome to capitalism and actual reality mate.
@@Alwayslifted Hows his statement making him 'fan'? Thats the reality and both major players in GPU industry are doing exactly the same thing.
They aren't preparing, they're already doing that.
Yikes, these prices are still just way too high. I know everyone is in their own situation, but for me I'm out - by the time my GPU dies I'll just switch to integrated graphics and play older games. I can't justify these prices for an occasional hobby.
I wouldn't even call it an occasional hobby for me and even I agree with you. It's just not worth it anymore.
Occasional hobby and watches a video on GPUs? Not to disagree prices aren't high or anything.
@@albert2006xp It's a fair point :) but it's interesting to see what is coming down the line to us mere mortals in 5-10 years time. I've unsubscribed from all tech channels except Level1Tech, and maybe I'll look in again in 5 years or so to see if things have improved
@@peterwstacey Thats what I do. I check out stuff now so I have some guidance in 3-5 years on what to buy
I don't know what you're rocking there, but I was rather surprised that I can get mostly everything to run on my 7840U based laptop without a dGPU. Nominally that's around an RX 470/GTX 1650 GPU, but because I can adjust the VRAM aperture up to 16GB I can crank textures to the moon. And being a tad stronger than a Steam Deck I can just use that as the baseline. Most new games want a Steam Deck mode, and I expect that to be the case for some time to come.
"Just buy it!"
- Tom's Hardware
Hey, at least some show their bias upfront 😅.
The more you buy.
The more you save.
"What are you? Poor? Have you considered stopping being poor?"
@@lordofdrones you mean buy it now just before Blackwell makes sense. Nvidia loves peasants making decisions like that!
@@aberkae Yes, buy 4090 now and 5090 in 6 months. The more you buy, the more you save!
These are very good thumbnails - “hello technology? It is me, Timothy speaking”
Their thumbnails are always so good. If I didn't know any better I would assume they have a dedicated thumbnail artist
As much as I hate the "thumbnail face", as least here on HUB they're having fun with it!
I'm waiting for games that are worth upgrading for.
Minecraft with a stupid amount of mods and shaders 🤣🤣
I am still playing Vermintide 2 from 2018 😅.
@@Dabnaa Punch the raytraced tree, build the shiney cabin?
gta 6 XD
I wana upgrade to play the witcher 3 update on max
In a few generations from now, the nomenclature of the cards will equal to the amount of dollars you have to pay for them...RTX 9090 at 9090$
$909 would be the dream
No they'll round it off
10,000
Before tax.
It also is subscription.
We'll own nothing and be happy.
Had prices come down, I'd have bought.. now it's too late
You mean too late for this generation? Or did you stop playing recently?
And Nvidia could care less 😂
@@karlhungus545 that;s the unfortunate part...i don't think they miss our business at all lol
@@zwieback1988 sorry my initial comment was quite unclear I reckon. I mean it's too late now to buy into this generation. I can wait another 6 months and I'll just buy a complete new PC (9800x3d, either a 5080 or AMD equivalent).
I dont know why i was so naive, but I wanted/hoped prices would settle lower and faster than they did. Current 7900xt price point (1000CAD) is the price point I wanted, but it happened so late I'm just going to sit that gen out.
@@karlhungus545 Def. They make way more money selling AI/pro cards, at that point selling gaming gpus is just a side thing that is not as profitable and a bad business decision when you think in financial terms only.
I've had an RTX 4090 for almost a year and a half. It's still overpowered in most of my games. It's not Nvidia's style, but I do hope they use the 50 generation to focus on improvements with the low to mid range cards rather than a 5090 that is 50% faster (and more expensive) that an already OP card. Every card should have 16GB VRAM at minimum, even at US$299, not to mention GDDR7 with >128-bit bus and even DisplayPort 2.0.
Not to rain on your parade, but the 5060, if it ever comes out, will likely be an 8GB card for $400. It will likely perform about the same as a 4060 ti. Nobody will buy it but that's fine, Nvidia is making bank on the AI chips and the $2000 rtx 5090. They don't care!
@@devindykstrayou’re probably right, sadly
Well you got the best gpu currently so it should be overpowered for all the games unless you intentionally bottlenecked it.
It's overpowered in MOST gaming use cases. The one place where even the 4090 is not enough is in the super high end VR space where there are now headsets coming out that need to render more pixels than an 8k display
Leather Jacket: Buy now AND buy later. The more you buy, the more you save.
this '' joke'' is getting cringey .
@@magnomliman8114 As are the GPU prices 😀 Over time it will get worse and worse, but you will deal with it 😎
Works only for their stocks (except when it doesn't).
I don't need a GPU right now but even if I did.... Not too many games really catching my eye right now.
yeah, the only reason I upgraded is cuz my PC was almost a decade old with a gtx 960 and intel 4th gen. it was still usable but I couldn't play Elden ring and the Witcher wasn't the best experience on it.
If you don't even have something to do with a GPU just don't upgrade.
Exactly this. I've had my 4090 since launch week and up to now I've only played about 8 new games total since then.
Forget hardware, I want more interesting games.
MSFS2024 for me
"end of year " -Steve&Kingpin
I managed to pick up an open box / ex display (still had all the peels on the card, basically brand new) 7800 XT Merc for £375 while ebay had one of their discount codes for some sellers on. Upgraded from an RX580,I just wasn't willing to wait any longer and I'm really happy with the upgrade.
People forgot that we use to play console for 7 years at a time until the next gen comes in. Now companies are trying to update their products annually to make you spend more.
@@picanha694 Nothing new, within those 7 years the consoles would do re-releases with updated versions, ex: Slim, pro, digital, etc.
Don’t. Buy. Now.
Ok, Dad.
Why not buying now ?! Amd wont launch anything this year neither intel or nvidia only rtx 5090 will launch so if you have a pc even if it have 1050 ti stay on it and wait but you will wait until next year so keep that in mind but you dont have go and buy waiting will be a disaster you will to wait until next summer for discounts and new gpus i learned the hard way with last 2 gens
At least if u are going to spend 1600€, dont buy now
4080 super fell to as low as $949. Hopefully foreshadowing more price cuts across the board. The 4090 has been seen at $1519 recently as well.
Yeah, get used 3070 or 6800 at $300 or less for new build. Upgrade later
Its crazy that "entry level" price is $250, it used to be around $100 to $150 ish
I think at some point you have to accept that inflation is a thing. However using inflation as an excuse for the 4060 ti, 4070 and 4080 pricing, that's just silly.
@@ofon2000 It's not inflation, it's margins. They've been wanting to kill off the low-end for a few years now and focus solely on the lucrative halo products which make them the most money (even if some the $15-$30 entry level graphics cards they might produce would still be priced in the
@@sulphurous2656 Steam hardware survey is only platform & there a many other platforms. You can't just take a single platform & make claim that it's the whole market.
@@sulphurous2656 ?? just the 580 and 6600 combined have a higher percent share than the 4090, so saying that there are more 4090s than all amd gpus just doesnt make sense.
@@pinkgrognak Its true statement but when talking about 4090 vs current gen AMD gpus on steam survey, or at least was at some point in the past (also because only 7900xtx makes the list with about 0.4% usage while 4090 has around 1% on steam. He either forgot or hes parroting something he saw but didnt quite understood.
$250 for Entry Level - what year was this video made?
That's about right. Cheapest RDNA 3 is 7600 at $260. Cheapest 40 series is 4060 at $300.
6600 is also still valid
Its true. Unless you want to count a 3050 which nobody should be buying, that shit needs to be sub 100 for it to be worth it lol
If you want the absolute lowest it's the Rx 6600 at $200 but that card is getting long in the tooth for new games
this is entry level. 250$ today was 190$ just 8 years ago in 2016. And around 206$ in 2020. Inflation is a b_tc h man
The prices will be stupid high we all know they will be
didn't wanna wait anymore and got 12.5% off on a 4080 super proart which was already one of the cheaper models out of all the 4080s for some reason... with the AI BS going on I am not expecting 5080's to deliver much better price/performance vs. current ones... and I didn't want to wait that long either... upgrading from a 3060 ti which is already struggling to keep up with my needs, so it will be nice improvement... I don't live the price but whatever doesn't seem to get any better
new prices are here forever. nvidia's monopoly dictates the market and consumers don't have enough (will)power to resist it.
That monopoly happen because no one really interested in a market that have expensive venture with little return. Else we already see ARM, Imagination and Qualcomm discrete gpu on store shelves right now.
@@arenzricodexd4409 i think there is huge logic fault in your statement. if it is an expensive venture with little return then why nvidia is the most valuable company in the world? and those discrete gpus are here in the room with us? wishful thinking at best.
@@mc_sim nvidia exist for almost 30 years now. Back in the 90s there were dozens of company competing for grahpic accelerator. Where are they now? Why they did not become another trillion company like nvidia? Because gaming hardware market did not really bring in big money. Nvidia become the 3 trillion company because of AI not gaming.
@@arenzricodexd4409 partially i agree with you but still you can't say that this market isn't profitable - intel tried a few times entering this market and definitely not for the purpose of losing money. and their failure also doesn't mean it's not profitable.
We aren't Nvidia's customers. If another gamer NEVER bought an NVIDIA GPU they wouldn't even care. AI is going to carry that company untill everyone realizes it's a stupid bubble that bursts in 5-10 years.
The GPU market has been depressing since Turing (2018), especially in Europe.
Honestly I'm going to change my 1080 Ti with an RDNA 4 GPU to replay my favorite games in very good conditions, but it's probably going to be my last real desktop upgrade. After that I'm dropping the enthusiast market, at least for gaming.
You have a 1080ti but you're dropping the enthusiast market? that makes no sense, that's like an 8 year old card, an enthusiast would have a 3090 or 4090.
@siphi7583 It's obvious, he was an enthusiast purchaser but not anymore. Everything's sucked lately. I got a 4070ti and it cost almost 1.5x the price of my 1080 in Canada. The 4080 was absurdly priced back then and its barely gotten any better
@@siphi7583 You can be an enthusiast without spending ridiculous amounts of money...
@@lunawense6288 Thank you.
@@lunawense6288 Yeah, I mean you're pretty much saying what I did, they already dropped the enthusiast market like 5 or 6 years ago, an enthusiast would buy a top tier card every gen and 1080ti is like 7 or 8 years old, that's like a 3 gen skip.
A few weeks ago I sold my 1.5 years old rtx4090 (basically for MSRP price) and bought rx6800xt for $350 to use untill the release of 5000 series of cards. But now I'm questioning if I even need a top tier GPU, all games I play run just fine on rx6800xt. Maybe I'll just skip that generation altogether
Unless you're running RT (which to be honest here, just a handful of games look that amazing with it) it's all you need. beside, running bang for the buck build gives some satisfaction too. Wise step imo
If the 5080 doesn't dethrone the 4090 and launches at $1200 then the 4090 price should hold on the second hand market although probably between current prices and 5080 price ( below the price you got for it) . I learned my lesson with crypto mining boom not to sell until replacement card in possession. With Ch!na eyeing Taiwan I'll hold on to my 4090 till I get a replacement card.
This is the crux.
4090 performance is very nice, but is there a game that a 4080 can't play?
4080 is nice, but is there any game a 4070ti can't play?
Ok, I might not play in max settings 4K, but cranking settings down by like 10% and saving myself a casual £1000 is just a no-brainer.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v a 4080 is a waste get a 4070 ti super or a 4090 a 4080 strix is the msrp of a 4090 at the price spend a couple hundred more bucks for a noticeable increase in performance especially if you want to run at native 4k
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v 4k is just an absurd waste of money. 1440p or even 1440p ultrawide high refresh will 100% of the time provide a better gaming experience than 4k. I fell into the 4k trap with the 1080ti and spent the last 7 years regretting it. Unless you have a larger than 34" monitor there is basically zero visual difference between 1440p and 4k, for that you get way lower fps, increased power draw, more expensive cards that don't last as long etc. A 7900xtx at 1440p is pushing way over 100 fps in even the most demanding games at 1440p, a 4090 will not be able to hold 60 fps at 4k long before an xtx can't hold 60 fps at 1440p, and I get the benefit of 165hz native resolution in many other games. Oh, and RT is dumb and will remain dumb for at least another generation, if not 2, but even if you like RT 1440p monitors are still superior there too.
I'll wait for the 10090
I'll wait for the gaming market to crash. You know, like the good old times... ;-)
Had to pull the trigger after my b350 board finally tapped out after nearly 7 straight years of heavy use.
MicroCenter bundles for the win!
honestly surpised he didn't mention microcenter. The Ryzen 7 7800x3d bundle is crazy.
@vagamer522 was just a touch out of my range. So I pulled the 7700x and paired it with a 7700xt. Might have been able to squeeze a 7800xt, but life has other priorities.
@@vagamer522 Microcenter is an American thing.
Thanks Tim, back to you Steve
Dear God above please let 8800 xt or whatever it will be called be actually good for a reasonable price
10% better $1299 likely soon to fall to $1099 after a month is likely
Imagine the 8800XT coming out at like £500 and having RTX 4080 performance. That would be lovely.
They will price it only 50-80 dollars below NVIDIAs gpu as usual, do not get your hopes up lol
@@pravnav
4080 performance for £500 seems fair to me and worth paying for.
I will be interested to see. Hopefully AMD is super competitive in pricing to undercut Nvidia and try and gain loads of market share like they did with CPUs back with Ryzen launch.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4v I doubt that is happening. My guess is rtx4070 ti super / rx7900XT performance at $599.
Disgusting price gouging...
If the 5080 is similar in performance to the 4090 and only a little cheaper, that might not be worth waiting for. The 5090 looks to be the only new card with a big leap in performance, but that's probably going to cost an obscene amount. Thumbs up for great videos.
And what we keep on showing _ every _ time _ is that they can get away with it. If so, then why change? Start to understand that and then you're getting the change we should see.
@@TheTekknician ppl are weakwilled.
People keep buying it. It is the people that hold the power, the sheep are just too stupid to realize that if they hold out playing their perfectly capable cards and force almost no sales of Ngreedias new cards, they will be forced to drop prices drastically to please their masters on the board
It's not. The 5080 will be about 10% stronger than a 4080.
For me the problem is the lack in increase in performance for the same price. A $250 - $350 card is the same performance tier as 3 gens ago. All that's changed is the extra's like DLSS, RT at the low end really doesn't matter as you don't have the FPS to spare for that.
Time flies, I remember like yesterday the hype over RTX 3000 launch. We are already at RTX 5000.
NVIDIA = most valuable company on Earth now. AMD has given up entirely on high-end cards. Combine that with limited wafer availability and you have a recipe for disaster. I can almost guarantee you that all the cards below the 5090 will be incredibly underwhelming, with little to no perf/dollar increases. Expect a repeat of the 40-series where all cards except the top card are crap and overpriced. NVIDIA has everything they need now with the AI boom, they're not going to waste precious silicon on making good gaming GPU's unless you are one of the few who spends big on the 5090. Those wafers are better spent selling huge AI chips to big corporations, it's much more profitable.
nvidia is not the most valuable company dude, not even close, even if we talk tech only you get Microsoft and Apple on front. Also nvidia stock is going down for a few weeks, AI has fallen has no one wants to pay for it since it's not even actual AI
@@Real_SkyRipper I know but at the time I wrote that comment NVIDIA was the most valuable company in the world on paper.
Really it should be 1 enthusiast 2 high end 3 midrange 4 budget since prices are so absurd these days
the only reason why i would want to upgrade to a 5090 is because i am planning to get one of these new 4k 240hz oled monitors and while there is no new game i plan to play maxed out, a 5090 sure as hell comes in handy utilizing that monitor while playing my current games.
Still running my ancient 750ti in 2024 this year this card served me for 10+ year
Just told my friend to buy a new Sapphire Nitro+ 7800xt for $500, his old 1060 need this upgrade now.
Best looking card ever made imo
solid upgrade
I've never had my own gaming PC. I've been saving up starting this summer. I'm looking at a 7800x3d and 7900 GRE. I don't really have anything else to use, such a tricky situation for me
@@pravnav it better last me through college lol, I'm not going to have enough to buy much
@@SwitchStation good build. Look up memory oc on that card once you build your PC, it will take the performance closer to 4070ti/super in many games.
Mate that is nothing to sniff at. Easy to cool, easy to get pretty cheap memory with, it'll be a really sensible build and has a pretty good medium term upgrade path.
If you are near a MicroCenter, they do have bundles that include a GPU. Their current AMD 4-piece bundle is 7800X3D, decent ASUS mainboard, 32GB G.Skill 6000 RAM, and AMD reference 7900XT, for $210 off the regular price. I live about 15 minutes from MC so I always get their stuff. If you don't live near one, I'm sorry.
You’re making the smart play with AM5.
The 9800X3D will be compatible. Probably the 11800X3D after that.
Considering that, don’t feel too much pressure to get a 7800X3D right away. Although it IS an awesome chip, you could alternatively get a 7600 for now with the plan to upgrade CPU to 9800X3D or 11800X3D later.
I love the thumbnail of you holding a GPU up to your ear lol.
Been on a RX 6900 XT for some time now, currently playing Ghost of Tsushima at highest settings on a 1440p screen and getting 130fps. I think I am good for now, but the 7900 xtx is still tempting me.
Bought a 7900XT for 690€ 7 months ago, last week i traded it in + 75€ + old GTX 1070 for RTX 4080, im happy now
4080 super?
@@hotdog9262 no, non Super, but it actually doesnt matter, its 99% the same card
For most of us with high end 30 series or mid to high 40, there should be no need to upgrade for a few years. The games on PC coming out should be fine with our current builds.
True, but also for some (most?) people: fomo + bragging rights + enthusiast builds, so the 5090 will still sell at whatever ridiculous price they set it to
I'd argue a mid range 30 series is just fine as well. even a 3060 can work perfectly fine since the AAA games are kinda trash lately. Elden Ring ghost of Tsushima etc. etc. run perfectly well on that.
@@stevanko1
Yep - that's what drives the market.
@@ghosthunter0950
To a degree - but we can see how the hardware is starting to struggle, especially when pushing UE5 features, for everything else though, I think a 3060 is ok.
I think if you're spending four figures or more you should wait. If you're gonna spend that you damn well better be getting the best card(s) on the market period and you won't be getting that for long if you buy now. I'm gonna wait. Plus I've got the 1080Ti, so Not only could I wait out the rest of this generation, I could even skip the next gen and go for the upgrade in 2026-27 timeframe if I really wanted to.
I built a new machine in March of 2024 with a 7800X3D and 7900 GRE. I'm very impressed by the 7900 GRE for the price:performance and it has 16GB VRAM. With a simple OC in Adrenalin it trades blows with NVIDIA competition for less money. The 7900 GRE is my go to recommendation this generation for people shopping in the ~$500 tier.
I have a rx 580 2048sp, and I just got an amazing deal on a 1440p monitor, gonna wait the release of the new gen and then buy a 7800xt
beforr release is cheaper
There is currently some great deals on the 7800xt as well as the couple of bonus games if they suit. I just ordered one at $450USD equivalent in Oz to upgrade my 5700xt because waiting and hand wringing for 10% more performance for another 20% in price is garbage. Tim's crystal ball was wrong last year and the one before and ....
get the 7900gre, it's very similar in price but far better.
@@qwerty-dm8gr the 7900gre is almost $200 more where I live, I'm only considering the 7800xt because is the limit of my budget sadly, by ty for the recommendation anyways
@@qwerty-dm8gr Not true at least in Oz. It was a fairly decent jump in price over it's fairly minor performance bump and if I rember the graphs properly the 7800xt was better in frames/$
GUYS STOP THE CONSUMERISM!!
please make a video on DSC issues with Nvidia GPUs (black screen when alt-tab from exclusive fullscreen)
I don't know where you're getting those discounts on the 4090, over here in Europe most of them are still well within the $2000-$2500 range, lol.
It appears that Nivida has a tick tock pattern:
2000 series almost no improvement for price "But we have Ray tracing"
3000 series improvement for price
4000 series no improvement for price "But we have frame generation "
So unless they have some super "innovative" improvement, I would e pect some price to performance improvement
It does follow that pattern, but I think it's actually about implementing new technology in one generation and then maxing out in the next generation.
30 and 40 gen are very comparable overall, but 40 series are more efficient and so have a smaller form factor.
Let´s return to GTX 1080 Ti then
Same as the last decade, 600 series then 700 series no progress other than on the high end, then 900 gen to bring people up to speed and i expect the 5070/5070 ti will be something like the 970 in terms of value and you know the rest, except we won't get this decade's 1080 ti, they won't make that mistake again.
Biggest improvement for 2000 series was DLSS, hugh upgrade over the 1000 series witch are useless nowadays..
@@groenevinger3893 My 2080 can play Cyberpunk @ 4K with DLSS on medium settings w/o ray tracing and get 45-60 fps... it truly is a great technology. Otherwise its unplayable. 4070 Ti 16GB is what I'm eyeing as an upgrade.
2 years ago you predictoed GPU discounted, it did not happen. Last year you did the same and it did not happen. Lets stop being naive here, there will be no sale in november once again.
basically anytime rat man is on screen, it's nonsense.
you know gpu have been steadily decreasing in price for 2 years right?
The best bet is probably getting a used RTX 40 or RX 70 series once the new GPUs launch.
@@qwerty-dm8gr That's the worst insult I've ever heard herearound, I think these are rational people and enjoy listening to them. No doubt there will be individual discounts if not manufacturer discounts when the new gen arrives...unless the new gen merely arrives in a higher price tier..we'll see. Lots shall be clearer around Christmas.
He should stick to monitors because his crystal ball is low resolution and laggy with extreme ghosting.
Very nice and comprehnsive update/report!!! Thank you😁
Thanks for the video Tim, too bad that the prices haven't dropped as much as expected. I know that you guys are really not very fond of the Intel GPUs, but any news on the Battlemage lineup/price/launch date?
5800X3D + 7800XT don't have any intentions of upgrading anytime soon.
Peasant build. 😏
@@christophermullins7163 :D
You just being cheap at this moment. You can't even max out games at 4K240 with RT Ultra Pathtracing. Go grab that RTX5090 SUPER ti Ultra Boost 69GB GDDR9+ RIGHT NOW.
On serious note, you are not really the audience that is expected to buy new GPU, you have recent high tier GPU. Those who would be interested are those with old or budget systems like RX6700XT, RTX2060, GTX1080, etc.
The more you wait the more you get.
Got myself a 7900 XTX. recently & couldn’t be more happy, runs everything & runs reasonably cool compared to my old Nvidia , I’ll take another look in 2025 when it all washes out, I don’t think Nvia could care less about GPU’s right now.
My guess is TSMC fab time is going to determine what they prioritize and how they will view gaming as an opportunity cost (to your point) vs AI and datacenter silicon. Even Intel is getting their new cloud-centric 144 core CPU made at TSMC on their cutting edge node. I would bet that designers like Intel/AMD/Nvidia are competing hard for fab capacity.
Look at subtitles at the begining guys... LoL
Lol, had to be deliberate @Linus.
@@LlywellynOBrienIt's autogenerated, they can't change them
4090s under MSRP let’s go
Note that wanting to upgrade your GPU is not only for "running latest games". Some people want to move to a higher resolution, higher settings, or newer features (DLSS and raytracing if they can't do it now). Also, if you're comfortable with buying/selling used -- don't wait. Buy now and then sell in 9 months or whenever you can upgrade again. There seems to always be new tech around the corner. Life is short, enjoy the now!
This videos are great, the thing is, companies adjust to market, not the other way around, so we can deduce that people still buying bad priced GPUs since prices keep the same, and this won't change anything.
casually mentions upcoming AAA games that all look like trash to convince us to upgrade...nope.
Could you casually mention some games that _don't_ look "like trash" to you?
@@DisgruntledDoomer they are not AAA let me tell you that much.
@@arkgaharandan5881 Sounds like all you need, are mobilegames, then...
I'll only upgrade if I can either get 24gb vram for relatively cheap(1000$) or 48gb on the high end.
No im not buying a 3090 that was used for cryptomining.
I have been with Team Red since the ATI HD-5990 days and currently own a 6800 XT. However, the time has come to change sides. The constant crashes and driver dropouts have become a joke over the past 4 years. That's why I'll be switching to Team Green and getting a RTX 4080 Super once the 50 series cards have been on shelves for a few months. I might even get a 50 series card, but it all depends on what prices look like. It's been a ride, ATI/AMD.
The only next-gen "GPU" worth considering to look into is in the Handheld gaming PC and the Mini pc market with AMD's newest Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 or the AI 9 365. (depending on which company wants to put into those devices of course and depending on price thats why I say look into not buy.) because GPD is claiming that the HX370 is to have really good results when it comes to gaming, based on the timespy being 4,221 at 54W which would make the 890M being faster than the 780M by 36%. comparing to be better than the 2050 Nvidia Laptop GPU but not better than the 3050 Laptop GPU. So For handheld gamers/mini pc gamers, this will be an exciting line of upcoming integrated graphics GPU's to look into, if true.a
Actually this is rather amazing to think about igpu coming in close to the performance of the lowest of the low end gpus, even if it's from 2 generations ago. Like I think you can squeeze over 60fps in most games at 1080p mid to high settings and fsr or dlss if applicable.
The 4080 and the super were the same price here, the "discount" never happened.
hope rumors are false.. and specs for 5080 will have more than 16GB of VRAM. either the buswidth or something else :|
12:32 amazon prime day
Yeah, after the complete no-show for next gen 50 series or RDNA 4 at Computex, I took advantage of AMD's current promo, getting an XFX Speedster Qick 319 7800 XT for $669+Tax CAD. Sold my 3070 Ti for $350 to a kid that could barely grow facial hair. I think we both came out ahead here.
Nvidia never show their next gen series a few months ahead of actual launch. The last time they do that was with GTX480. but that's because fermi already late by almost half a year at that point.
my concern with a 5090 or 5080 is the 12 pin connect socket and the melting issue as the current leaks suggest more power is going to go through that weak link.
Will it work or become slag?
btw I have no intent to buy as I have a 4080 super which max outs fps on a 165mhz 1440p monitor, a faster card isn't going to be better fps is it?
"a faster card isn't going to be better fps is it?" are you serious? yea a 4090 for an ex will give you notably more fps but if i were you id upgrade my monitor to at 1440 oled 240hz oled panel at least
@@iDeparture but if your monitor is capped at 165mhz, how can a 4090 give you 200fps? It can't as its breaks the laws of physics. I'd have to buy a higher mhz monitor or a 4k monitor to see an improvement the 4090 has to offer.
I like my monitor it has true black and HDR 600
@@tommyrotton9468 oh i thought you mean just an increase in performance. and lcd monitors (ips, va and tn panels) dont have true blacks because they use backlight strobing and dont have true hdr because True HDR requires a 10-bit or higher color depth, at least 1,000 nits to accurately display the increased contrast and color gamut and local dimming tho some can come close but trust me get an oled and you will not regret it
@@tommyrotton9468 the point is that you get a better experience with a faster card bc you cant just look at average FPS, you have to look at 1% lows and even 0.1% lows. So lets say your 4080 maxes out your 165hz screen, it does that in the AVERAGES. It will have framedrops, the 1% lows can be like 70FPS for example , and the 0.1% can be like 30 FPS. Thats game dependent but the 1% and 0.1% lows are basically always lower than the average. At least if you dont play Tetris with a 4090 and lock it to 30 FPS. In that case there wouldnt be a single framedrop below the 30FPS, obviously.
But in more intensive games, theres almost always room for improvement in the 1% and 0.1% lows. And those lows tell you how consistent your gaming experience is, basically how many hiccups/stutters. The closer the lows are to your average, the smoother is your experience. So yes, it will make a difference, the 4090 will have more frames at the the 165FPS monitor limit, less frame drops below that. The 4080 will have worse 1% and 0.1% lows aka a less consistent experience.
also in new intensive games, especially UE5 games, you will use DLSS upscaling even with a 4090 to get to 165FPs in 1440p. Especially if you want to play maxed out, if available very high RT. And if we talk about PT (path tracing), you wont get close to 165FPs, not even with a 4090. So Theres always headroom. And as said theres always room for getting higher 1% and 0.1% lows with a faster card.
@@tommyrotton9468 I plan to buy a 5090 (I def will buy one) and I will pair it with a 240hz 4k OLED. Even if the 5090 is like 40-60% faster than a 4090 (which it will be), I dont expect to come close to 240hz in the intensive 4k games. I will in some games, but I absolutely know that I wont be able to max it out in really intensive games (that currently exist), before I upgrade to like a 7090. But only, if the newest games by that point arent even more intensive than the current ones lmao. And then Im sure that I could increase the 1% and 0.1% lows even further by using an even faster card with the same monitor.
So theres always room for improvement. And if its not for current games, it will be for future games. Bc one thing is for sure - upcoming ultra high fidelity AAA games wont get easier to run.
You know what? My 7900xt , my sister's 3070ti, my wife's 3080ti, my moms 1080ti all run the games we want in coop. We are having a blast. My wife and I do VR with out GPUs. So, we are not buying squat for a while. My mom is running two 1080p screens for work and then pulls up black ops 3 zombies , killing floor 2 or something her speed. So, she isn't struggling . Lol. Even remnant 2 runs fine.
Jensen: The less you wait, the more I make!
Also Jensen: The more you wait, the more I make!
AI: The more AI make.
I am sorry but 500$ is NOT mid range
It literally is today. Sad but true
I'm glad I managed to snatch my 7900XT for 700 euro. Best purchase yet. Upgraded from a 960 😅
When the lowest end 40 series card is $300 and the highest end card is $1600, $500 is practically considered budget. AMD does a bit better at a range between $270 and $1000, but even then it's not great.
Actually in my country midrange is more likely 650$ nowadays...
This is not 2014.
In conclusion: it's the best time to buy a console it's ever been and consumer GPUs are never going to be reasonably priced again.
I decided not to wait because I wasn't going to buy a 5080 or 5090 due to being out of my price range. My 4070 ti super pairs well with my current build with no need to change any of my components.
7:22 Minor suggestion: The month markers are quite low contrast and very hard to read on a small screen. Otherwise excellent content as always.
Neither, I’ll use what I have until it dies. The market is ridiculous, everyone’s about AI, game standards are dropping, prices are worse than Covid times now.
Still rocking a 9900ks with a 3080ti and 32gb of ddr4 3200....Does everything I need it to do on a 1440p widescreen.
What do you mean "still". This is a great setup by today's standard. By contrast I am "still" rocking a vega56 with ryzen 2600. The value of new cards has been terrible since then.
3080 with 5800x3d and 32 gb of DDR4. I play everything at 4k ultra settings above or around 60fps, and I'm content.
I only see the need to make small incremental upgrades for the foreseeable future.
That is only a bad card for 4k gameplay max settings for new games. 4k max settings just start to demolish these 3000 series rtx cards. But for 4k I would also recommend a good 4k monitor in first place.
Lol. My 9600k and rtx 2060 super does the same thing for me in 2k.
There are also rumors that the memory bus width and amount will be the same as RTX 4000 series, so it looks like my 3060 TI would have to serve me for one more generation. Oh well, 6060 TI it is then. Considering I was lucky enough to find it right after it came out in December 2020 before scalpers got their hands on it, I am extremely happy with my purchase. I just hope it doesn't die out unexpectedly. I also wish AMD gave more competition, especially where ray-tracing is concerned but they seem to be as content as nVidia.
Ignore your kids who need new shoes!!! buy everything !!!! ...
Don't ignore your kids. Let them watch you play video games on your new shiny rainbow glass PC.
LMAO
I refuse to ever spend more than $400 on a gpu and $200 on a cpu
same but $150 for gpu and $75 for cpu 👍
I spent $1300 ish on i5 8400 1080ti build and never regret. Sold the PC to get a laptop with better performance.
Most I spent on a gpu was nearly $500 and over $350 on a cpu. But these days I will never do that again for a cpu as I'll stick to $200 range and try between $300-400 for a gpu so I agree with this.
My 4080 will have to do for a while
Dont worry, the entire 5 series will be about 5-10% stronger than the 4 series with the same amount of VRAM except on the 5090
My 3090 has many years left in it but i play DCS so i will upgrade to 5090. So a 4080 has at least 5 years or more left.
Oh the horror :(
@@chy.0190 pure nightmare
@@HelloImCrimsonUnless it will be like from 20 gen to 30 gen. GDDR7 will also be used most likely but I don’t know how much it will benefit.
How the hell does he wear that sweater in summer? Is he some kind of Ice-man? Is it filled with Thermalpaste?!
He's in Australia and currently they have winter in the southern hemisphere
It's winter in Australia...
Tropical and desert countries tend to use AC units or so I've heard
13C in Melbourne today 😄
How can it be winter in Australia right now if we are sweltering in the summer heat???
It sounds all upside down to me....
I'm still amused remembering what a price jump GTX 1060 to 2060 was.
And then how 2060/S/3060/4060 are such tiny improvements from one card to another.
I still have 3060 12gb maxing wow on 1440p at around 60 fps, i need a tad stronger just for few zones and im gucci. Rx 7800 xt maybe or wait idk..
don't buy now wait until the new ones come out, then when the new ones come out, wait even longer because the prices will drop, then continue to wait until the new ones are about to come out
IMO if it's less than a year until new generation and you don't desperately need a new GPU, you should wait. You shouldn't wait for price drops though and you probably shouldn't wait more than a year.
That's what they mean when they talk about achieving an equilibrium of the mind.
Gpu manufacturers gave up on gamers, it's time to do the same. 1080p high is still good enough and there are plenty second hand gpu's that can do that. IF a high end gpu is gonna cost as much as a used car, no thx.
1080p in 2024 is sad
Gone are the days when you could expect a 5x to 10x improvement from a generation or two. Compare a 4070 Super to a 1660 Super. Four years and three generations later, the 4070 Super is not much over twice as fast as a 1660 Super, but uses nearly twice the power. The next generation may have a board that costs 5x as much as a 1660 Super cost, but it won't be 5x as fast. Lot's of people look excitedly for the next generation of GPUs hoping that finally we'll see real progress again, but I think those days are behind us.
7900xt looking like a great buy for any1 not waiting to upgrade in the 1500-2k budget range
ubislops are not the games you should be upgrading for
11:48 Then it's going to be another skip generation. I can't wait to skip it! 👌 *They can shove their 192-bits.* 😘 256-bits on the 70-class or gtfo. ALL 70-class cards in the last DECADE came with 256-bit, since the GTX 670. Nvidia really screwed the pooch with the 40-series.
Then they wonder why lowest sales in over 20 years. 🤔 Gee... I WONDER WHY.
>I WONDER WHY
because they diverted the vast majority of their resources to AI which helped them become the most valuable company in the world
@@darudesandstorm7002 That's because everyone and their grandma thinks they can make money from AI. And other company shareholders demand AI slapped on everything because they think it will generate more money for them.
They're wrong.
It will be the same as with crypto shit. Nvidia will milk them for everything, then move on to the next best thing.
I'm kind of sick of hearing "AI'.
AI mice, AI hats, AI monitors, AI apps, AI, thermal paste, AI chewing gum. ENOUGH already! Jesus!
The Nvidia CTO came out in 2023 and said that crypto is useless to society (implying that Ai sUrELy iSn'T).
The bubble WILL burst and the other shoe will drop. We just have to suffer through ridiculous prices rn, by holding off on purchases.
Who wonders here? Who is "they", I WONDER. Obviously, "they" isn't Nvidia, because they obviously know what they use their wafer allocation for and which market to milk for them juicy profits...
@@elgonzo7239 There were numerous articles last year when the 40-series came out saying that this generation had the lowest sales in over 20 years. Because all of the GPUs (except for maybe the 4090) were shifted by 1-2 tiers:
- the "4070" is really a 4060.
- the "4060 Ti" is really a 4050.
- the "4060" is really a 4030 Ti.
The REAL 4070 is now $800. And is called "4070 Ti SUPER". Same price as the 1080 Ti was (arguably the best GPU Nvidia ever made). 😐
@@zdspider6778 And now you only need to quote a single article claiming that Nvidia was wondering about low sales...
I'm fully prepared to wait it out till Rubin/RDNA 5 and pair it with a mature AM5 platform and Zen 6 X3D, my 5800x3D and 3080 12gb are serving very well paired with an odyssey G7, until we see some competent 4k performance from sub thousand dollar GPUs it won't be worth it to upgrade for most people on a 3060 or better.
Idk why, but even though I don't really need it, I wanted the 7900gre since it came out lol. I'm still gonna wait to see what they come up with for the next gen.
Buy now or wait is the motto of the last two decades. Yes, buy now.
I would like to buy...if GPU were not so overpriced. Under 300 euro (not those fake US prices) there is nothing
I say wait, not bc new gpus are launching but bc current gpus suck
or dont buy at all. even better.
Currently have a 3080 founders 10gb and will be upgrading this year, hopefully there is a good uplift on the 5080 for me to upgrade too.
Jensen: the more you spend, the more you save!
Still waiting for the 6090 release, just for giggles.
My good old 6950xt from MSI It's still absolutely beautiful no matter what I throw at it, especially considering the fact that I bought it new for $570 2 years ago. It's a pity of course that this is not a sapphire card, since they are the GOAT.