Where is Thunderbolt on Threadripper?! Here it is, but...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2018
- What's the hold up with Thunderbolt on Threadripper? Is there some technical limitation?
Here we show off the Gigabyte Designare X399 w/the Gigabyte Alpine Ridge TB controller. We got it working on our own -- it's a DIY solution.
Don't expect to buy these parts and have it magically work. It won't.
But if you can add some secret sauce firmware in just the right places, and tweak a kernel module here and there....
then
Thunderbolt 3 works just great! (Except hot plug, we couldn't get that working.. well kinda?) It would appear to us that we're just waiting on certification. Maybe intel is dragging their heels certifying?
We have a lot more footage to show than just this -- but we're hoping this video kicks off some conversation around Thunderbolt on Threadripper.
We don't want to say too much about how we did it. But you can figure it out, we promise.
Who needs it? What's the use case? And what's up with hot plug?
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This is really cool. Perhaps TB3 on ThreadRipper will mean we get wider TB3 adoption on HEDT desktop in general.
Yes, but the question is whether the issue is manufacturer interest in implementing it on other platforms, or if it is that Intel is discouraging it (X399 Designare EX knocked back from certification for petty reason of no iGFX when that is not even needed, and Intel has Thunderbolt motherboards without iGFX).
adoption?
Yep definitely meant adoption*
This is the kind of wacky, screw the manufacturer madness, is exactly what I subscribed for!
WendelBolt?
Damn, beat me to it, by a mile. . . I'll just delete mine. . . I guess. . . :P
Thunderripper.
TINT: TINT Is Not Thunderbolt?
why not use BINTbolt (BINT Is Not Thunderbolt / Basic Implementation of (non)Native Thunderbolt)
WonderBolt?
calling ThunderRipper
Sounds like an especially loud fart.
I mean, lets be real here, Threadripper sounds like when you fart so hard that it rips the seams of your pants, it's a hard name to work around.
knightshousegames lol I can't unsee it anymore. Threadripper really sounds like a godly fart.
You're OK as long as you're not touching cloth!
Thread bolt, thunder zen,
You guys are killing it! Nice work! I would love TB on AMD!
Open Bolt seems like the best name for this.
Man, I am just following your channel for a month and I am really impressed. Compared to other "tech tubers" your channel has exclusive and far more informative content. Where most stop on a basic hardware (review)level you are also software “guy’s” and I love the Linux content in general :D Keep doing great informative (non RGB :p ) tech content.
If you could create a similar enterprise type channel (or know one) that talks about “real” server, high speed networking, and more things related. It would be so interesting to me and others I think. Learning more about that part of the industry in a reasonably understandable way (don’t mind to do research on the things I don’t understand) would just be awesome. As an enthusiast today you are “able” to buy what looks like similar hardware soon.
This is great news in the audio recording world. The majority of modern D/AC are Thunderbolt. And as we all know, AMD is far more budget friendly when it comes to core count. Pro Tools in particular enjoys core count over clock speed. This would be amazing when it becomes main stream.
moo I don’t mean for headphones or speakers. I’m talking about multi channel pro studio recording interfaces.
Jared Chord Haha ya there's no way a normal 2Ch DAC needs 4x PCIe bandwidth ;p
@moo 32 in 32 out @192k is common in studios..
I want my Thunder Chicken connectivty RIGHT NOW
But if you put too much data through it, then it will choke your chicken
Who is excited? Intel's lawyers.
Sad US has such backwards reverse engineering laws.
Canada isn't much better.
Hire a lawyer, consider moving to France, Netherlands or Russia (maybe /s on the last part)
TH-cam, et al would still be able to censor you, but it beats being sued or in jail.
I'd have hoped they take it down.
Streisand is a b
@@jtl7785 Copyright and patent laws, really hurt innovation.
Fuck that, I'm excited. Can you get all x16 lanes in there?
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS! 🐸
Open Bolt?
Lightningbolt, since you know lightning (light) is faster than thunder (sound)
No Gravitas I think apple would jump on that one. Christ I hope lightning connector goes away soon.
Riley Burling Freebolt is more like it. Like freesync.
That's USB 4.
Wow, nice to see good old reverse engineering at work. I hope we will finally get thunderbolt support on AMD.
Intel are pushing Thunderbolt as a selling point for their workstation systems and business PCs. Unfortunately, I doubt they would license it to AMD.
You already do ... look up the anandtech article on the raven ridge HP Elitebooks.
Sam Nasab you probably didnt see that they will be licensing thunderbolt to other companies long time ago
Adam Abbass, we need a reference on that one. I cannot find such article. But a while ago Reddit thought there was a 2500U AMD laptop with Thunderbolt 3, but it was later proven to be a typo from BestBuy or whatever.
Sam Nasab - possibly. Although no matter how much I love Thunderbolt, I'd rather abandon it than be stuck with Intel forever. Eventually Intel is going to have to release it into public domain and integrate it with PCI standards for it to have a long term future.
Inb4 Intel nukes this from orbit.
Wendell is a badass
it's like everyone else saying aspirin is good for a headache and here you are putting a brain on the table point with the finger at the problem, amazing
That's pretty cool. The Threadripper platform just continues to impress.
Nice! Super awesome you got it working
I absolutely fall in love with your work...you are one of the reasons why I am pursuing computer engineering, thanks for everything
Why on earth doesn't this video have more views!?!?! This is amazing!!!!!!
One thing that it could be useful for is what Linus does with his home system. He put his gaming servers on a rack in another room, then used a thunderbolt display/usb device in his office connected with a long fiber cable to his gaming system. It basically makes for a completely silent gaming experience even if you have a noisy cooling solution.
One of the reasons I didn't like threadripper was lack of thuderbolt. AMAZING. Although thunderbolt periferals haven't improved as much as I expected. Even thunderbolt cables are so expensive, let alone an external thunderbolt drive cage.
Hey Wendel...respect for thinking thru... and achieving it; "Respect to knowledge and dedication"
This was fantastic to see :)
Keep up the great work :)
Thunderbolt on AM4 is gonna be an awesome thing in the laptop space.
It seems to come with USB 4 finally
Dude you are a living Legend!!!!!!!!!!!!
I second this!!!!!!!
Very impressive work!
Cool stuff like this is why I watch your channels.
For audio production, there are many devices using thunderbolt as an interface. So, for music producers, this should be a neat thing to have on threadripper.
I bow to your command line mastery. 👍 Keep up the great work
Nice work man.
Mate, you have no idea how amazing it is to know there is a fix, this actually changes everything for me. Thank you!
"I don't know who to tell"
Tell me please lol, I've held off upgrading my PC for 2 years because of this and I can't justify a 16 core intel with their mad pricing
Okay, this is brilliant! :D
This is awesome!
Proud of you Wendell!
I found this channel after seeing the LTT collaboration video about Linux Gaming. I have got to say I love this type of content where they show the actual show the nitty-gritty aspect of technology
please call it FREEBOLT ! going in line with freesync.
Or UsaineBolt
You sayin' bolt? hell yeah, bolt them all... or.. or.. how about:
AMD C Thunderstruck. *cue lightning guitar shred solo*
Cool, this is both better and worse than running risers out of the case and that's awesome
Nice job. Little tidbits like this push the industry forward.
Mate your are the best, your content has becoming better and better, original content that does not deviate from the target audience, and i would say very impartial.
Great job, great time spent, feeling smarter already. =D
This was really amazing!
You guys are awesome! Personally more interested in thunderbolt 3 for remote desktop use (server in basement running VMs using thunderbolt 3/fiber optic to run monitors and peripherals upstairs) but i bet this is way more applicable for "most" people than my scenario.
Hoyl, this is awesome
THIS IS WHY WE LOVE YOU, WENDELL
Easily one of the coolest things you've done. I would have like to have seen speed comparison between Intel and Amd for a graphics cards just to give us an idea what Thunderbolt might be like for Amd laptops in the future.
You're awesome man! Thanks for your contribution
BOLTRIPPER. THUNDERTHREADS. LANERIPPER. I came up with these with the equivalent of throwing darts at a wall of words.
DartRipper? ThunderDart?
I like the LANERIPPER moniker. KUDOS ON THAT!
Cool stuff Wendel.. engaged
The patch alone could potentially help me with GPU resetting between VMs. Thanks for the hard work on this somewhat related project!
Amazing effort it will be interesting if anyone takes this further. Looking at you asus
More likely Asrock, IMHO. Asrock is the one who does the most innovation, personally - jamming X299 into ITX, and they also enable PCIe bifurcation on their ITX motherboards (at least the Intel ones, no idea about their AMD ones). The only other one to do the bifurcation on ITX is Gigabyte. Asus might be the most appealing to the mainstream, but they do not usually do whacky or insane things.
Until now i haven't heard anybody mention uefi hacking, so i am glad i have found your channel! Thats one thing i plan to learn a little bit more, since i had my A10-7870k... I wished i could reconfigure its pstates from the uefi... But never got to it.
Great work, thank you.
I got Hotplug to work using a R9 380 on a riser using the express card slot on my Thinkpad. Drivers didn't load but I was using passthrough so it worked anyway.
Watched the whole video and thunderbolt on threadripper will be awesome. USB4 will hopefully level the playing field. Great work!!!....the industries that can really use WendalBolt..lol..will be us real time recording studio guys and girls!
THIS IS MADNESS!
:D
Wendell - the content that you continually create and release especially Linux related stuff is just awesome! I have to ask though... you are really good at presentation in your videos and seem released. Why did you always “hide” behind the monitors when you were with Tek Syndicate? Please keep creating awesome content!!
ULTIMATE GURU OF TECH STUFF! All Hail! :)
This is VERY important for me Wendell! I have an ungodly amount of HFSJ drives from 20 years as a mac user which I use with MacDrive Pro (which is good by the way -but it hates how windows changes drive letter associations on USB connections, so having a dedicated semi fixed toaster at 40gb/s would be super great. As for naming here my 2c; ThunderRipper or ThreadBolt.
Video professionals (especially Colourists) would be very excited about this. We work with codecs such as R3D which are cpu core intensive, and multiple graphics cards, decklink addon cards, raid controllers, network cards so the pci lanes of threadripper is very attractive. However a lot of devices in the video world are also based around thunderbolt, which has been a major block for me in threadripper adoption.
RipperBolt
ThreadBolt
😁
BoltRipper
Ismael Lamberty ThunderRipper?
Thunder zen
I wish I had this much knowledge
Thundernut or Thunderscrew ... keep up the awesome videos.
Thanks for showing that it was possible, and hopefully it can change the ecosystem. Thunderbolt should be more mainstream.
This is so cool!!!
Great job.
Wowowow nice job all!
Genius man finding out how to do this...
RedBolt or ThunderRipper sound kinda cool. Also, Thunderchickens is a name of a FRC Team (#217) here in Michigan
Very very impressive.
This is awesome! One step closer to an AMD “NUC” or portable (laptop). I am a huge supporter of thunderbolt, have been waiting for a breakthrough like this.
Level1Techs my sweet Bolt, this guy actually knows what he is doing 🥇
I also would like to point out that coding to solve a problem is the best way to learn. This is the icing of knowing how to code, and also the exception that proves the rule.
Lightning bolt might be a good name for it, although Wendelbolt sounds cool aswell !
Open Bolt seems like the best one I've heard others throwing out.
A Lightning Bolt would not be limited to 2M cables, though.
Honestly, where are the optical ones already?
Personally Thunderbolt needs to revert to being Light Peak.
I hope they designed the ability to insert optical fibres into the USB-C connector, otherwise they will need to change again, or use transceiver cables (which are inherently unreliable).
The USB-C spec has changed to allow direct-connected devices to reconfigure the 4x USB 2.0 wires as a third super speed channel - but this will require new cables, as the existing ones use poor quality wires for USB 2.0. I am guessing the new cables will be e-marked as being fit for purpose. The first standard to make use of this is VirtualLink for VR. But Thunderbolt should be able to make use of the third lane to increase bandwidth without too much of an increase in signalling rate. But it is only delaying the inevitable - that copper is not enough. If Thunderbolt started off optical at 10Gbps (abandoned because of cost), then at 40Gbps over copper, we must be just about at the limits (as they thought it would need to be optical from the get-go).
I think that name had been used sometimes...
Big ups!
This video came out on my 18th birthday!!!
This is a huge deal for people that want to use audio interfaces. A lot of pro audio interfaces are thunderbolt (though there are some on usb or firewire). That means being limited to a Intel CPU. I've wanted for ages to have a threadripper system for music production, and I simply cannot because I can't get thunderbolt on AMD.
Good job you done really good job !!!!!
I'm excited
I'm sure AMD would like to know about it!
go and tell mama su
They already know , because they involved in the Linux kernel FOSS
I mean, they literally exist on being processor designers - I'm pretty sure they don't need Wendell's help...
Nice hack. Great job! :)
Gigabyte Designaire X399 and Threadripper on sale at Microcenter was some of the best money with which I ever parted; along with seeing the Grateful Dead live.
This is friggin sick! I do a lot of music production and thunderbolt support on AMD would be amazing!
Ok this is really cool stuff
I've been hoping for this for MONTHS. Pulling footage from SSDs on thunderbolt would be uber fast ! I hope this becomes a thing that can be repeated
Just cool!
Bought the Titan Ridge v1, hoping I could get thunderbolt on my X570 Asus board and 3900x, to connect an external sound card. First tried the PCI 3.0 slot, but Thunderbolt control center would only acknowledge the sound card if I had turned it own prior to boot. Turning off would not appear again, Then tried PCI 4.0 slot and I could turn the sound card on/off in windows and control center would allow me to see it. PCI to PCI bridge error codes like you mentioned and 3.1 Extensible errors from windows drivers. After hit and miss with installing drivers etc, Windows would freeze when I turned on the sound card in the 4.0 slot. Tried changing bios to read as Gen 4 slots instead of Auto but no options for configuring thunderbolt since this is an external pci card. Really needed this to work may. Glad someone addressed this. Thanks.
That's cool. I don't expect amd to bother with getting Old TR and Ryzen certified for Thunderbolt. I hope they get it for Zen2 gear
Aaaand, NOpe!
i am excited
This video will be taken down By Intel and replaced with the Intel jingle in 3...2...1...
1. Intel "Bong"
2. Say that like GLaDOS, and it becomes even more funny.
You have no idea how good this is for audio professionals. All professional audio hardware is moving to thunderbolt and not having any options other than intel is not good for anyone. I really hope we see this in the wild soon!
THIS IS F.... AWSOme!!
Threadbolt. :-)
lol. UBER Bolt! How about Pseudo BOLT? Great job! Never would have thought that the UEFI driver blob would be compatible.
LocoBolt
Awesome!! Some Kudos to you!! Call it Threadlightningbolt , an easy name people will remember.
absolute legend
Since you have been fiddling a bit with Threadripper. If you stress a single core using Statuscore or some other program on a 1950X in Windows and only see around 3.7GHz could the CPU be defect? I have a Zenith Extreme and cool it using a 360 Liqtech. BIOS settings that affect XFR etc are enabled. When I contacted AMD and asked and instead of technical support I got an RMA number... felt strange.
Thunderbolt 3 on threadripper is an absolute "must" for geographic information systems (GIS), remote sensing, CAD, video production, simulation, etc., where your data is not on a 10GbE network but on direct attached storage for performance reasons.
Well Done!!! The only thing stopping me from moving to AMD for my DAW is the absence of TB. My Audio Interfaces are TB only, so i am stuck on intel.
goodjob wendal
when thunderbolt can power and keep picture on screen with one cable this will get more popular with consumers. Less cables is always more appealing to average non-techy.
windows vm with a thunderbolt gpu passed-through? 6-8 core laptops once they become more prevalent would be great for that if it's possible