I travelled over to see Andrew Allen and his amazing Quattro Velo Velomobile.What a fine machine. The Quattro is equipped with a Rolhoff hub and E-assist which is a Tongsheng TSDZ2.
Over thirty years ago the first thing we bought when my wife was pregnant was not a crib or anything like that but a junior back tandem (23 x 17), we had raced a 21 x 21 for a few seasons. Kiddie cranks, a borrowed trailer and a 21 x 19 allowed us to ride as a family until the kids could ride the 21 x 21 together. My first grandchild is due to arrive tomorrow, and although I have kept the junior back I would love to see them with one (or even two) of these.
Great to see the 4x4 follow up to the standard Quest discussed so well here. I had a few non faired recumbent trikes then brought a Quest to New Zealand from Holland. The speed and comfort are night and day to most other trikes or bikes on the road. Electric assist might limit most velomobiles as they tend to cut out at speed. Hill climbing was very good on the Quest enhanced by resting your forearms on both sides of the trike enabling more power to the pedals. If anyone wants to see my old web site for some great pics of my outings, see "Planet pride in the South Pacific". Ride safe.
Peter Williamson Having the e-assist only for low speed (read hills) works better with velomobiles than any other pedal cycle as it substantially improves average speed on hills but when you hit the flats you’re going at a respectable speed so assist isn’t necessary. With upright bikes assist helps till 15.5mph in Europe but then it’s difficult to pedal any faster due to air resistance. As a result the e-assisted range on a velomobile is significant.
I think that lil short helper there knows more than you guys:). Beautiful quattrovelo. I have quattrovelo mule in usa for a year, love 4 matching wheels.
I've gone for a bulk view tonight, I think its now morning😂 of your video's and noticed this amazing machine has appeared again, I watched three video's you did about two or three different machines👍 I like the four wheel Velomobile apposed to the three with regards to touring and plenty of room in there for tent etc plus cover from the rain👍... Maybe I'll have a look at a Velomobile as well as the hpv fs20🤔 there seem to be many positives especially you can have a Rohloff fitted to it, that's what I would do if I went the HP route, or maybe even a Pinion drive🤔... What is the price tag on the machine in this video? Great video👍 lots of useful information.
parabens amigão pela tua humildade e voce e teus amigos são humildes e muinto educados aki no brasil não tem nenhum rejistro gue eu conheço ke tem estes velomobil uma pena aki so temos as comum etc
my mom used to always bug me that we needed an elevated ride road just for bikes, seeing these machines I think she was right, you will never feel 100% safe around cars in one of these but on a road made just for them it would be wonderful efficient travel, and its such a smooth beautiful blob.
Yes, it’s definitely a risk riding in such a low vehicle. Making it highly visible and audible can mitigate that risk significantly. I plan on adding something like a hemispherical “disco ball” with lasers or something like those emergency vehicle flashing lights for the highest point of my QV. I don’t want to add a flag, but I am considering it. One thing I’ve noticed is that the beep beep of the horn sounds too much like a car that people don’t immediately look for a bike, so that’s another piece of the presence/safety puzzle I am contemplating on.
@@AdamLogan313 I ride a bike thats even lower, in fact much lower but its not for commuter travel and I rely on staying away from cars in general and taking advantage of them not knowing I'm there while reading their intent so I dont block myself in. If you want to push your weight around and practice road-rage you wont last long in an ultra-light. ;]
Thank you both very much for doing this review. I have a QV on order at the moment, with a mountain drive up front, but with an eye on power assist as I live at the top of a hill. The Bafang 8fun has an adaptor available from velomobeil.nl, but the Tongsheng is not something I had come across. My reasoning behind ordering the QV was as a machine to use when it is raining and during the winter for riding to work, and your comments reassure me about my reasoning! Now, having seen the Rolhoff setup on your amazing machine, I will have some further thinking to do :-) Congratulations John: I see you are the latest to put your name down for a QV as well!
Con Cahill thanks I'm glad to hear that you found the vlog helpful. I am really looking forward to getting my Qv, I'm sure it will live up to expectations.
I think I'd really like that Quattro Velo. I love the Hase Kettwiesel delta trike and I am planning on buying one. I really like two rear wheels, it feels so stable and if they are both driven there is no problem on the wet leafy autumnal weather that seems to last for about 11 months each year. If I were getting a velomobile I'd most definitely check out the Quattro Velo.
Just to tell you TheAegisClaw isn't the only one. It plays on the home computer, not on the samsung tablets, the shield tablet plays intermittently. ;)
not in the EU with the current regulation that limits it's max speed to 25 km/h. At least not if you have to commute to work ~30 km and are limited to bike lanes if you want to survive the trafic...
Lovely video and velomobile. What I think is a bit weird is that there is just so much extra stuff in that QV. For me, a velomobile is supposed to be stripped down, just the bare necessities, so it is lightweight and aerodynamic, so human power is enough. This has a rohloff, battery, alarm system, hydraulic brakes, a child’s seat, tyre pressure meters, wattage gauge, , a camera, a throttle... I wonder if you can really compare a DF to a QV if it has electric assist.
Jan Trenson yep correct Andrew has installed a lot of extras which is perfectly fine if he likes that sort of thing I suppose. I would choose to go for the bare minimum if I purchase one, but I do think the tire pressure sensor is a necessity as my friend John H who owns a Qv says the suspension is soft so you don't realise you have a flat for quite a few miles sometimes. I was particularly interested in how the handling compared to the DF, and an electric assist would not really affect that comparison.
Unless you can create a 4 wheel velomobile with good storage capacity that’s sub 10kg then human power alone is never going to be a practical option if you live in a hilly area with stop start traffic (if time or excessive sweat is not a concern then it might be ok; depends on one’s objective and local topography). That was the idea with the DF (albeit a 3 wheeler) but at 25kg it’s still slow going up hills; with e-assist it was incredibly efficient and acceleration was immense, but not nearly as practical as the QV. When you’re creating a highly efficient car replacement then the sacrifice is a heavier VM but still incredibly light cycle compared to any motor vehicle. Alarm, tyre pressure sensors, throttle (it’s very light and it’s just for testing the transmission) and even the Rohloff add very little weight (I don’t have dual/triple rings or a rear cassette/derailleur). Riding in urban and suburban environments with the Rohloff is also easier. Yes, this e-assist adds 8.3kg but that includes a battery that’s almost 1kWh. I hope to remove the wattage screen as someone has now adapted another e-assist display screen that incorporates wattage info into it. Child’s seat I haven’t used yet (I’m an uncle not a parent) but hope to do so in the near future; I leave it out when not in use) I often use the hydraulic brakes as a dragging brake to save wear on the front drums or for greater stopping power if needed on steep hills.
@@andrewallen9918I think you have a fantastic machine there! Can you tell me what alarm you have fitted? Theo at Velomobeil.NL has just advised me that my QV is ready for delivery, and I am thinking that it would be smart to fit one, if only for a bit of 'peace-of-mind' !
The last thing a wife would want to see, after me spending so much on road bikes and the world of... But geez, this is an amazing machine, lovely actually!!! Oh no, I feel that weird gut feeling again, not good as it means I have the same crazy face as Mr. Toad in the movie "Wind in the Willows"... Man, that is wonderful!!!!! Question; can you do long distances with it??!! And what's the maintenance like??? What's climbing hills like??? I think I'm in love, oh no!!!!! Had to subscribe of course :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Hi Andrew and John Thanks for the fine informative video. Got no answer, so I'll try again: Andrew how is the Tongsheng TSDZ2 going ? How many miles have You been driving the QV with the motor in place ? Have there been any issues with the motor ? It looks like the offset bottom bracket from Velomobiel.NL for the Bafang, is that right ? Kind regards Kjeld from Denmark (Strada) ;-)
Hi, John. I really like your videos. Thank you for all the work. I live in south London, near Sutton, can you please advise where I can see one or some velomobiles on display? I am really interested in getting one in the future, so I want to find out more about them first. Thank you, Levi
Hi your best bet is to go to one of the bhpc races, Google bhpc (British human power club. and check out the calendar. There is usually a velo there racing.Or alternatively head over to NL and test a load, which is what most prospective owners end up doing.
Thank you for the fast replay John. Cannot travel far or abroad at the moment so best for me will be to see one in London. Can you please PM your email ? I have few questions. Also if we can meet I can buy you some beers if you prefer. Thank you.
I have an idea what might cause the clapping noise you talked about. Took me almost 3000km to figure out the noise on my QV #76. It was the derailleur cable clapping a wall inside the "rear transmission box". It could be the brake cable on his #73 ?
Thanks for your suggestion but thankfully I worked out where the noise came from 😅. There’s a block that’s mounted near to the rear chain to help alignment and ensure it doesn’t derail. The ‘quick link’ is wider than the other chain links and just clipped the inside of the block; once I centred the chain within the block, no more tapping noise 🙂.
I watched many of your videos. I ride a scorpion fs 26 pe but want Quattrovelo plus. What's the turning ratio? How do you adjust the seat to fit a 6' man on my Scorpion isthmus boom. Well you know that. So about doing a video for buyers of different sizes I'm a man my wife,l She's 5'4 and Theo just told me the price went up so my wife has told me in her own words( if we're spending that much on it dam sure I'm riding it)
Hi, does the motor need some additional holders? And if yes, where can I get them? It looks like there are different sets of the Tongsheng TSDZ2 on Amazon. I wounder which set it was? Is the motor programmable like the Bafang? Happy Eastern!
I'm going to be receiving a quatrovelo within the next year, and I notice what you said about the air pressure. Is that specifically for the air suspension?
Great video! I never comment on videos but seriously I really get on well with yours. Thank you for showing the child seat. My son is going to be four years old in a month or two and I’m afraid he’s going to be too big. But maybe that’s not the case? What was your feeling upon looking at it? Will it last him for a couple of years? Or no… Beyond four years old or five years old it’s a no go? Thank you again so much and I really love your videos
Sage Michael Hi sage great to see you here, my sons two and the seat is way too long for him so I think four or five depending on the size of the child maybe even older. You could even have him on your lap when older, as Ymte at inter-city bikes has his kids on his lap sitting sideways in a DF XL and that works a treat.
As John said I was very surprised at how much space there was; there are extra holes in the aluminium plates that secure the seat and it was on the highest setting (which equates to smallest child) so yes you could have a child that’s a lot older; I think shoulder width may be the limiting factor before height as it’s a fair bit narrower than the adult rider seat up front. I’d have to relocate the battery for the higher settings though as it would hit the battery (could possibly put an extra battery mount in the boot).
I've tried that. It's weird how from hundreds of subs it's only ever your videos, and then only specific ones. Tried PS4, android phone, Samsung TV app, Kindle Fire.... Maybe my laptop will work, not tried that yet.
TheAegisClaw yes yes the laptop should definitely do it. I wonder why they occasionally don't playback. Someone else had that problem a while back, it worked on their laptop though.
@@velo-ads4206 hehe, I see now that I was not specific enough. You see, I am kinda a nerd for efficiency (speed output per watt input) ;) ... so I am wondering how fast it is.
z0uLess that depends on how strong of a peddler you are, what watt motor you install if you install one and your environment and conditions. I’m not a fit peddler like touring or race cyclists are, and I have the 850 watt TSDZ2 motor, and my environment is hilly as I live in a valley, it rains often here, we get a fair amount of wind but it’s not like a plain or desert. I cruise at about 30 mph at max e-assist settings. I usually ride at e-assist levels 4 or 7 out of 9 though, and can maintain 20 - 25 mph pretty easily even on moderate hills. Very steep hills will make me drop in speed to 3-5 mph. I have to dial down the e-assist to 5 or less to really get the benefit of exercise while cycling with e-assist and while I have the throttle, I don’t use it. On hills I can still get a decent workout in the higher e-assist levels though depending on how steep the hill is, but, of course that will burn through your battery pack a lot faster. I’m sure more speed is possible, but with more speed I would definitely invest in better brakes and tires. It is scary sometimes even at 30 - 40 mph (speed can easily exceed 35 mph when going downhill), if you have the brakes on going over a manhole, it can jerk your QV around. I’ve experienced sliding around corners at high speed at the bottom of a long steep descent with rain, but even when dry it’s still a bit dicey. I’ve learned to be bold and merge into the auto lane decisively when doing curves at high speed and to corner with as much strategy with criss-crossing as possible, as in, being as far left in the auto lane when approaching a right hand curve, moving to the right at the apex, and then moving back to far left or center of auto lane exiting the curve and then merging back into bike lane or tackling the next curve by staying in the auto-lane. So, yeah, I’m sure you could get a motor to give you 60+ mph in the QV if you are determined to, but I think you’d be asking for a serious injury if you’re lucky or more likely a fatal crash if you actually cycled at those speeds. 30 mph - 40 mph is plenty fast in the tiny carbon fiber shell that the QV is. That being said, I would love to see something in this form factor get to the point where 75 mph feels comfortable & safe. We can dream 🙂.
Just a seat maybe, don’t see a second passenger having enough room to pedal with legs, but maybe hand cranks might work. I do have a lot of unused space in the forward section of the QV, it’s definitely designed for the very tall people of their region. I would ask the builders to design what you want rather than butcher this already exorbitantly expensive cycle though if possible. I think they might already be developing a QV equivalent of the DuoQuest, but I’m not positive on that. I would be concerned about stopping power carrying that much weight on skinny tires though. Fattening the tires would exacerbate the issue of the already very wide turning radius due to the tire wells. Suspension would need some adjustment & modification too. If you do this be sure to document your process well, I’m sure plenty of people would be interested.
Of course everyone in the world knows what a "DF" is. There is absolutedly no reason to explain what a DF is in a review video where DF is mentioned in every second sentence. Great job guys! THUMB DOWN!
Hi Andrew and John Thanks for the fine informative video. Andrew how is the Tongsheng TSDZ2 going ? How many miles have You been driving the QV with the motor in place ? Have there been any issues with the motor ? It looks like the offset bottom bracket from Velomobiel.NL for the Bafang, is that right ? Kind regards Kjeld from Denmark (Strada) ;-)
Kjeld motor runs well; I have a similar motor on my windcheetah which still works after 4.5 years; haven’t done that much mileage on the QV. The display I’ve had to replace for the original windcheetah motor. Yes it is an offset BB.
It’s great, I have the 850 watt version which is legal in most states in the USA. I cruise at about 30 mph with this motor at max settings. I usually ride between 20-25 mph. I bought mine from www.eco-ebike.com/collections/motors/products/tsdz2-w-850c-torque-sensing-pedal-assist-with-throttle-and-e-brakes-36v-48v-52v-10-18a-250-750w They offer a variety of wattage options based on your needs or limiting laws. They answered my questions with supreme patience (I started having zero knowledge) and they gave me excellent support after I received the products as well. I asked for the cooling mod (not listed on the site) for an additional fee and highly recommend it so your motor will last longer, or you can sustain higher speeds (or torque if you climb steep hills like I do in the Willamette Valley) for longer without cooking the motor. If it were me I would pass on the throttle and go for the temperature probe in the motor, but I suppose if you’re in Europe a throttle would be illegal anyways. The offset bracket from velomobiel.nl is not fully functional for the TSD, you will have to get creative to install the the TSDZ2 onto the supplied offset bracket securely. Or better yet request velomobiel.nl to design an offset bracket specifically for the TSDZ2 to spare yourself and future customers the trouble. If you email me or direct message me on Facebook/adamlogan313 I’d be happy to send you some pictures showing the TSDZ2 & Offset BB.
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Over thirty years ago the first thing we bought when my wife was pregnant was not a crib or anything like that but a junior back tandem (23 x 17), we had raced a 21 x 21 for a few seasons. Kiddie cranks, a borrowed trailer and a 21 x 19 allowed us to ride as a family until the kids could ride the 21 x 21 together. My first grandchild is due to arrive tomorrow, and although I have kept the junior back I would love to see them with one (or even two) of these.
So great to see a close up real world look at the QV! Those wheels look awesome when he's riding along. Enjoyed this, John😀
Gary Solomon thanks Gary, it's some machine.
Nice review, Thanks! Quatrovelo is awesome machine.
Very nice idea of velomobiles!
Definitely! This is the new order of the universe. It might even have a plasma drive option in the future.
Wow. Beautiful machine and interesting review. Thanks to all of you :-)
Boy I sure do want a Quattro velo. Nice review.
Great to see the 4x4 follow up to the standard Quest discussed so well here. I had a few non faired recumbent trikes then brought a Quest to New Zealand from Holland. The speed and comfort are night and day to most other trikes or bikes on the road. Electric assist might limit most velomobiles as they tend to cut out at speed. Hill climbing was very good on the Quest enhanced by resting your forearms on both sides of the trike enabling more power to the pedals. If anyone wants to see my old web site for some great pics of my outings, see "Planet pride in the South Pacific". Ride safe.
Peter Williamson Having the e-assist only for low speed (read hills) works better with velomobiles than any other pedal cycle as it substantially improves average speed on hills but when you hit the flats you’re going at a respectable speed so assist isn’t necessary. With upright bikes assist helps till 15.5mph in Europe but then it’s difficult to pedal any faster due to air resistance. As a result the e-assisted range on a velomobile is significant.
I think that lil short helper there knows more than you guys:). Beautiful quattrovelo. I have quattrovelo mule in usa for a year, love 4 matching wheels.
Pushyhog little lad is a Velomobile pro now, I think the quattrovelo is his favourite closely followed by the Quest :)
I've gone for a bulk view tonight, I think its now morning😂 of your video's and noticed this amazing machine has appeared again, I watched three video's you did about two or three different machines👍 I like the four wheel Velomobile apposed to the three with regards to touring and plenty of room in there for tent etc plus cover from the rain👍... Maybe I'll have a look at a Velomobile as well as the hpv fs20🤔 there seem to be many positives especially you can have a Rohloff fitted to it, that's what I would do if I went the HP route, or maybe even a Pinion drive🤔... What is the price tag on the machine in this video? Great video👍 lots of useful information.
The quattrovelo starts at around eight thousand euros, www.velomobiel.nl/
Hiya Mate ,
Very nicely done John luv your videos please keep them on coming :-)
That’s a beautiful colour like the puma colours of the 1970s so old skool.
parabens amigão pela tua humildade e voce e teus amigos são humildes e muinto educados aki no brasil não tem nenhum rejistro gue eu conheço ke tem estes velomobil uma pena aki so temos as comum etc
my mom used to always bug me that we needed an elevated ride road just for bikes, seeing these machines I think she was right, you will never feel 100% safe
around cars in one of these but on a road made just for them it would be wonderful efficient travel, and its such a smooth beautiful blob.
Yes, it’s definitely a risk riding in such a low vehicle. Making it highly visible and audible can mitigate that risk significantly. I plan on adding something like a hemispherical “disco ball” with lasers or something like those emergency vehicle flashing lights for the highest point of my QV. I don’t want to add a flag, but I am considering it. One thing I’ve noticed is that the beep beep of the horn sounds too much like a car that people don’t immediately look for a bike, so that’s another piece of the presence/safety puzzle I am contemplating on.
@@AdamLogan313 I ride a bike thats even lower, in fact much lower but its not for commuter travel and I rely on staying away from cars in general and taking advantage of them not knowing I'm there while reading their intent so I dont block myself in. If you want to push your weight around and practice road-rage you wont last long in an ultra-light. ;]
I can see myself selling my car and buying one of these as long as it has E assist.
Thank you both very much for doing this review. I have a QV on order at the moment, with a mountain drive up front, but with an eye on power assist as I live at the top of a hill. The Bafang 8fun has an adaptor available from velomobeil.nl, but the Tongsheng is not something I had come across.
My reasoning behind ordering the QV was as a machine to use when it is raining and during the winter for riding to work, and your comments reassure me about my reasoning! Now, having seen the Rolhoff setup on your amazing machine, I will have some further thinking to do :-)
Congratulations John: I see you are the latest to put your name down for a QV as well!
Con Cahill thanks I'm glad to hear that you found the vlog helpful. I am really looking forward to getting my Qv, I'm sure it will live up to expectations.
great colour, great velo
I think I'd really like that Quattro Velo. I love the Hase Kettwiesel delta trike and I am planning on buying one. I really like two rear wheels, it feels so stable and if they are both driven there is no problem on the wet leafy autumnal weather that seems to last for about 11 months each year.
If I were getting a velomobile I'd most definitely check out the Quattro Velo.
brighton dude the quattrovelo is definitely worth a closer look, you'll love it.
Hi room-360 - I think you should have a look at the luggage carrying options at the Hase web-site.
room-360
I’ve hauled 60kg of compost with my Kett... a trailer comes in really handy and I can leave it behind if I don’t need it!
Just to tell you TheAegisClaw isn't the only one. It plays on the home computer, not on the samsung tablets, the shield tablet plays intermittently. ;)
How was that motor mounted? I am thinking about a QV and E-assist as well. It would be a car replacement for me as well around Hamburg Germany.
Electric motor, rohloff and 4 wheels. That really could be a car replacement.
Ddr Hazy it is
That’s the idea 🙂
Ddr Hazy especially with the electric rohloff, where the gears are automatically switched.
not in the EU with the current regulation that limits it's max speed to 25 km/h. At least not if you have to
commute to work ~30 km and are limited to bike lanes if you want to survive the trafic...
@@Moosey1789 In which midwestern state do you reside?
Lovely video and velomobile. What I think is a bit weird is that there is just so much extra stuff in that QV. For me, a velomobile is supposed to be stripped down, just the bare necessities, so it is lightweight and aerodynamic, so human power is enough. This has a rohloff, battery, alarm system, hydraulic brakes, a child’s seat, tyre pressure meters, wattage gauge, , a camera, a throttle... I wonder if you can really compare a DF to a QV if it has electric assist.
Jan Trenson yep correct Andrew has installed a lot of extras which is perfectly fine if he likes that sort of thing I suppose. I would choose to go for the bare minimum if I purchase one, but I do think the tire pressure sensor is a necessity as my friend John H who owns a Qv says the suspension is soft so you don't realise you have a flat for quite a few miles sometimes. I was particularly interested in how the handling compared to the DF, and an electric assist would not really affect that comparison.
Unless you can create a 4 wheel velomobile with good storage capacity that’s sub 10kg then human power alone is never going to be a practical option if you live in a hilly area with stop start traffic (if time or excessive sweat is not a concern then it might be ok; depends on one’s objective and local topography). That was the idea with the DF (albeit a 3 wheeler) but at 25kg it’s still slow going up hills; with e-assist it was incredibly efficient and acceleration was immense, but not nearly as practical as the QV. When you’re creating a highly efficient car replacement then the sacrifice is a heavier VM but still incredibly light cycle compared to any motor vehicle. Alarm, tyre pressure sensors, throttle (it’s very light and it’s just for testing the transmission) and even the Rohloff add very little weight (I don’t have dual/triple rings or a rear cassette/derailleur). Riding in urban and suburban environments with the Rohloff is also easier. Yes, this e-assist adds 8.3kg but that includes a battery that’s almost 1kWh. I hope to remove the wattage screen as someone has now adapted another e-assist display screen that incorporates wattage info into it. Child’s seat I haven’t used yet (I’m an uncle not a parent) but hope to do so in the near future; I leave it out when not in use) I often use the hydraulic brakes as a dragging brake to save wear on the front drums or for greater stopping power if needed on steep hills.
@@andrewallen9918I think you have a fantastic machine there! Can you tell me what alarm you have fitted? Theo at Velomobeil.NL has just advised me that my QV is ready for delivery, and I am thinking that it would be smart to fit one, if only for a bit of 'peace-of-mind' !
@@coniow Congrats on your new machine; I bet you can't wait! Have you not seen my video here: th-cam.com/video/814tb2FjjHY/w-d-xo.html
@@andrewallen9918 Video is private, we can't watch it.
The last thing a wife would want to see, after me spending so much on road bikes and the world of...
But geez, this is an amazing machine, lovely actually!!!
Oh no, I feel that weird gut feeling again, not good as it means I have the same crazy face as Mr. Toad in the movie "Wind in the Willows"...
Man, that is wonderful!!!!!
Question; can you do long distances with it??!!
And what's the maintenance like??? What's climbing hills like???
I think I'm in love, oh no!!!!!
Had to subscribe of course :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Hi Andrew and John
Thanks for the fine informative video.
Got no answer, so I'll try again:
Andrew how is the Tongsheng TSDZ2 going ? How many miles have You been driving the QV with the motor in place ? Have there been any issues with the motor ? It looks like the offset bottom bracket from Velomobiel.NL for the Bafang, is that right ?
Kind regards Kjeld from Denmark (Strada) ;-)
I'm really curious about this as well. I'm considering adding a TSDZ2 to my Quatrovelo, wondering which kit to buy from which supplier.
Hi, John. I really like your videos. Thank you for all the work. I live in south London, near Sutton, can you please advise where I can see one or some velomobiles on display? I am really interested in getting one in the future, so I want to find out more about them first. Thank you, Levi
Hi your best bet is to go to one of the bhpc races, Google bhpc (British human power club. and check out the calendar. There is usually a velo there racing.Or alternatively head over to NL and test a load, which is what most prospective owners end up doing.
Thank you for the fast replay John. Cannot travel far or abroad at the moment so best for me will be to see one in London. Can you please PM your email ? I have few questions. Also if we can meet I can buy you some beers if you prefer. Thank you.
Very nice
I have an idea what might cause the clapping noise you talked about. Took me almost 3000km to figure out the noise on my QV #76. It was the derailleur cable clapping a wall inside the "rear transmission box". It could be the brake cable on his #73 ?
Thanks for your suggestion but thankfully I worked out where the noise came from 😅. There’s a block that’s mounted near to the rear chain to help alignment and ensure it doesn’t derail. The ‘quick link’ is wider than the other chain links and just clipped the inside of the block; once I centred the chain within the block, no more tapping noise 🙂.
I watched many of your videos. I ride a scorpion fs 26 pe but want Quattrovelo plus. What's the turning ratio? How do you adjust the seat to fit a 6' man on my Scorpion isthmus boom. Well you know that. So about doing a video for buyers of different sizes I'm a man my wife,l She's 5'4 and Theo just told me the price went up so my wife has told me in her own words( if we're spending that much on it dam sure I'm riding it)
看起来不错
Hi, does the motor need some additional holders? And if yes, where can I get them?
It looks like there are different sets of the Tongsheng TSDZ2 on Amazon. I wounder which set it was?
Is the motor programmable like the Bafang?
Happy Eastern!
Andrew Allen owns it, you can find him on all the Velomobile pages on Facebook.
I'm going to be receiving a quatrovelo within the next year, and I notice what you said about the air pressure. Is that specifically for the air suspension?
Tires. Suspension is spring
Nearly two years too late - but how much would that set you back today?
Over €10,000 and the motor was fitted after by the customer
Nice video! Will you be coming to Cycle Vision in The Netherlands this year?
TijnVFX not this year unfortunately, hopefully next.
Great video! I never comment on videos but seriously I really get on well with yours.
Thank you for showing the child seat. My son is going to be four years old in a month or two and I’m afraid he’s going to be too big. But maybe that’s not the case? What was your feeling upon looking at it? Will it last him for a couple of years? Or no… Beyond four years old or five years old it’s a no go?
Thank you again so much and I really love your videos
Sage Michael Hi sage great to see you here, my sons two and the seat is way too long for him so I think four or five depending on the size of the child maybe even older. You could even have him on your lap when older, as Ymte at inter-city bikes has his kids on his lap sitting sideways in a DF XL and that works a treat.
I think Eva at Velomobile.nl daughter is around 7 and she fits no problem.
As John said I was very surprised at how much space there was; there are extra holes in the aluminium plates that secure the seat and it was on the highest setting (which equates to smallest child) so yes you could have a child that’s a lot older; I think shoulder width may be the limiting factor before height as it’s a fair bit narrower than the adult rider seat up front. I’d have to relocate the battery for the higher settings though as it would hit the battery (could possibly put an extra battery mount in the boot).
Now the cardinal question. Same track width front and rear?
Slightly narrower at the rear.
but why?
Need ad sleeve for quattrovelo now jon.
Pushyhog I'm working on it
I prefer the quest
For some reason this video won't play for me, on any device I own :-/ tried 4 different ones.
TheAegisClaw not again lol 😁
That's very strange as it seems to work well everywhere else. Try resetting everything and go from there.
I've tried that. It's weird how from hundreds of subs it's only ever your videos, and then only specific ones. Tried PS4, android phone, Samsung TV app, Kindle Fire.... Maybe my laptop will work, not tried that yet.
TheAegisClaw yes yes the laptop should definitely do it. I wonder why they occasionally don't playback. Someone else had that problem a while back, it worked on their laptop though.
Any idea how much Andrew paid for his generously equipped QV?
If memory serves over ten thousand euros.
And that was excluding the e-assist 🙈
so, what are the numbers?
The quattrovelo starts at €8950
@@velo-ads4206 hehe, I see now that I was not specific enough. You see, I am kinda a nerd for efficiency (speed output per watt input) ;) ... so I am wondering how fast it is.
z0uLess that depends on how strong of a peddler you are, what watt motor you install if you install one and your environment and conditions. I’m not a fit peddler like touring or race cyclists are, and I have the 850 watt TSDZ2 motor, and my environment is hilly as I live in a valley, it rains often here, we get a fair amount of wind but it’s not like a plain or desert. I cruise at about 30 mph at max e-assist settings. I usually ride at e-assist levels 4 or 7 out of 9 though, and can maintain 20 - 25 mph pretty easily even on moderate hills. Very steep hills will make me drop in speed to 3-5 mph. I have to dial down the e-assist to 5 or less to really get the benefit of exercise while cycling with e-assist and while I have the throttle, I don’t use it. On hills I can still get a decent workout in the higher e-assist levels though depending on how steep the hill is, but, of course that will burn through your battery pack a lot faster. I’m sure more speed is possible, but with more speed I would definitely invest in better brakes and tires. It is scary sometimes even at 30 - 40 mph (speed can easily exceed 35 mph when going downhill), if you have the brakes on going over a manhole, it can jerk your QV around. I’ve experienced sliding around corners at high speed at the bottom of a long steep descent with rain, but even when dry it’s still a bit dicey. I’ve learned to be bold and merge into the auto lane decisively when doing curves at high speed and to corner with as much strategy with criss-crossing as possible, as in, being as far left in the auto lane when approaching a right hand curve, moving to the right at the apex, and then moving back to far left or center of auto lane exiting the curve and then merging back into bike lane or tackling the next curve by staying in the auto-lane. So, yeah, I’m sure you could get a motor to give you 60+ mph in the QV if you are determined to, but I think you’d be asking for a serious injury if you’re lucky or more likely a fatal crash if you actually cycled at those speeds. 30 mph - 40 mph is plenty fast in the tiny carbon fiber shell that the QV is. That being said, I would love to see something in this form factor get to the point where 75 mph feels comfortable & safe. We can dream 🙂.
@@AdamLogan313 thanks for the long reply. I think all velos should come with a speed per watt count on a flat road
z0uLess You’re welcome. I’d love to see something like that as well. Most velos do not come as e-assist from the makers at this time though.
can... proooooooooooooooooooooobably fix the trunk into a second seat. js
Just a seat maybe, don’t see a second passenger having enough room to pedal with legs, but maybe hand cranks might work. I do have a lot of unused space in the forward section of the QV, it’s definitely designed for the very tall people of their region. I would ask the builders to design what you want rather than butcher this already exorbitantly expensive cycle though if possible. I think they might already be developing a QV equivalent of the DuoQuest, but I’m not positive on that. I would be concerned about stopping power carrying that much weight on skinny tires though. Fattening the tires would exacerbate the issue of the already very wide turning radius due to the tire wells. Suspension would need some adjustment & modification too. If you do this be sure to document your process well, I’m sure plenty of people would be interested.
Of course everyone in the world knows what a "DF" is. There is absolutedly no reason to explain what a DF is in a review video where DF is mentioned in every second sentence. Great job guys! THUMB DOWN!
Hi Andrew and John
Thanks for the fine informative video.
Andrew how is the Tongsheng TSDZ2 going ? How many miles have You been driving the QV with the motor in place ? Have there been any issues with the motor ? It looks like the offset bottom bracket from Velomobiel.NL for the Bafang, is that right ?
Kind regards Kjeld from Denmark (Strada) ;-)
Kjeld motor runs well; I have a similar motor on my windcheetah which still works after 4.5 years; haven’t done that much mileage on the QV. The display I’ve had to replace for the original windcheetah motor. Yes it is an offset BB.
It’s great, I have the 850 watt version which is legal in most states in the USA. I cruise at about 30 mph with this motor at max settings. I usually ride between 20-25 mph. I bought mine from www.eco-ebike.com/collections/motors/products/tsdz2-w-850c-torque-sensing-pedal-assist-with-throttle-and-e-brakes-36v-48v-52v-10-18a-250-750w They offer a variety of wattage options based on your needs or limiting laws. They answered my questions with supreme patience (I started having zero knowledge) and they gave me excellent support after I received the products as well. I asked for the cooling mod (not listed on the site) for an additional fee and highly recommend it so your motor will last longer, or you can sustain higher speeds (or torque if you climb steep hills like I do in the Willamette Valley) for longer without cooking the motor. If it were me I would pass on the throttle and go for the temperature probe in the motor, but I suppose if you’re in Europe a throttle would be illegal anyways. The offset bracket from velomobiel.nl is not fully functional for the TSD, you will have to get creative to install the the TSDZ2 onto the supplied offset bracket securely. Or better yet request velomobiel.nl to design an offset bracket specifically for the TSDZ2 to spare yourself and future customers the trouble. If you email me or direct message me on Facebook/adamlogan313 I’d be happy to send you some pictures showing the TSDZ2 & Offset BB.