lol the Supermutants are getting smart Turtle...they know that you treat them as test subjects so they have hidden caches of weapons now to mess with you hahahahaha :P :P
Turtle is truly Dedicated He kills himself with Toxic Goo and Mr Gutsy, many times to prove his theory ,so your don't have to die many times yourself True dedication
I always have to rethink lot of things, after each single videos of him. But its definitely worth it. He is undoubtedly testing the most important things.
I think people don't always take into account the damage ramp that resistance creates. If it were flat effect, sure, Ironclad would be better. But damage per hit is calculated the way that it is, that extra hp is always going to help... and the added threshold for nerdrage doesn't hurt either
I’m not sure what any of that meant but why wouldn’t you simply have both of them if you want to be a tank you need 15 points in endurance anyway, if you’re not wearing powered armor, why would you not have iron clad and if you can fit it you know 45 health is also good
For a bloodied build (low health), you cannot put a lot of point in endurance. So because of that, we need too pick one. But yes for a tank build you can pick both .
@@alexandreboudteault-leblan3815 nonsense low health builds should insist in maxing out endurance even more than others. More endurance means a larger chucnk of health at 20% and less chance of a one shot
@@alexandreboudteault-leblan3815 ironclad, fire proof, Adamantium skeleton and lead belly and radicool all maxed makes you tanky in endurance and increases you health pool so when something hits you hard there is less chance of being one hit.
Using Lifegiver on my bloodied PA build makes a lot of difference. I stay in nerd rage so I’m always below 20% HP, without lifegiver my 20% is 49-50 HP with lifegiver I sit at like 61-66 HP which with the fact that I’m taking roughly 3HP worth of damage from NPCs on average gives me 5 extra hits I can take. Doesn’t seem like a lot but you notice how much slower you die with that perk.
The only thing about the test I thought was wrong was the full health test you shouldn't have nerd rage because a full health character wouldn't have nerd rage so it could change the results
@@fifteen8 how does running or not running nerd rage have anything to do with auto stemming you’re still going to die if you don’t stim or are you saying you just run at low health naturally still a waste of three first points really unless you’re going to be there all the time soon as you hit a stem lose that damage reduction in that damage buff
@@billy_cross Hi. This post was from a while ago so I'm not sure what I was saying. You're right - when running full health, Nerd Rage is not used normally. I think I might have set up my build so that when the Nerd Rage animation triggered, I knew to stim up. You're also right, that this takes 3 Int points. But I may have been maxing out Int for XP at that time, so had the space. Anyway, sorry for any confusion!
A lot of people overlook the fact that Life Giver works in power armor as well. Meaning that if you need to hop into your PA for any reason, IronClad stops working while Life Giver works the same.
Turtle, can you do a video on underarmor? I'm just starting a character that is not using power armor or stealth suit and there's so many different ones I'm a bit confused. Or are they all the same? And I've heard you can mod it like other armor pieces?
Both have many uses, iron clad can be even more extraordinary when combined with evasive/barbarian as of now with new bos recon armor I can reach 500 physical and 390 energy. Life giver can also be used to mitigate the effects of the adrenal reaction serum to the point it has no negative at all with class freak. Depends on playstyle and character class.
I use both as a melee tank build. 😏 Combine that with some Psychobuff and Fasnacht Sausage along with Vodka means I face tank basically anything. It may not be optimal at all, but damn is it fun.
IronClad is only good in the early game when you have no good armor or armor mods. Once you have a full set of any Heavy armor, additive resistance has a huge drop off.
6:45 , I am currently running a build like that. It is a lot of fun, especially if you have what rads and ghoulish. Pop a rad-shield and you become a pseudo tank in nuke zones...just don't forget rad away. Best part of the whole experience is not having to wear clothes ;)
I have allways had lifegiver in my perks, good to know it is the best one possible. Also, I use SS armor, so my resistance is very high and Ironclad would benefit me even less.
I have a full set of vanguard's combat, marine or secret service on my 3 non-power armour characters. The extra 40 or even 50 Dr from ironclad makes very little difference to me but life giver makes me tanky as all hell.
@andry turtle I tried lifesaver and it only gives around 8 more health points for a bloodied build at 15% health so it's really not worth it for bloodied.
Interesting test. I'm curious about perks and armor that reduce damage and how they interact with each other. For example: Blocker and Lone Wanderer. Would they be added together before being applied or would they be applied separately?
I went lifegiver after running ironclad forever. I’m full on bloodied also with Uny armor etc... I noticed it increased my minimum health I needed for nerd rage to activate also since it’s based on a percentage. I’ve noticed a massive difference.
Anybody else notice Grim Reaper Sprint triggering way more often if your gun has 25% less VATS on it? My handmades are trigging it almost 100% of the time!
That's a waste of perk points that are better invested in any other category to increase resistance damage evasion carry weight or damage output (in my opinion)
I often get asked the same and my answer is the same but for some reason many players dont really believe. I barely use these kind of perks, maybe at the beginning of the game is Bodyguards 1 in a full 4 man team a nice protection for just 1 perkpoint but on higher levels you have your Secret service or brotherhood armor with backpacks and damage reduction perks what is enough. But if i use one its Evasive 3 what gives you good bonus for 3 perkpoints. Thanks for testing and showing the results, now if somebody asks i can just link this video ^^ awesome
im using a bloodied, low health build for explosive and commando. full unyielding armor set. im using fireproof, radicool and ironclad. should I use lifegiver with instead... IC and LG? i dont have much issues with my build but would this help ??
Is there a difference for either option when you're running that ghoulish build you highlighted in another video? I'm interested in getting a full health, non power armor, heavy gunner build. (I know that's not the most optimal option)
I always guessed that life giver was better but its nice to see a video that confirms it. Smart to get a gutsy to test resistance, im gonna start using that to test stuff
Yes, but many bloodied build will run at about 20% to 25% health. So that's lower than in your video. And they will only add 20% to 25% of that 45 health increase. So in the end, they will probably be the same. Except that you can go one higher on Ironclad.
@@AngryTurtle Hang on... so, the rads will first lower the health to a percentage, and then the 45 health increase is added on top? That makes it more useful indeed.
Angry Turtle do you think this applies with Chinese Stealth Armor stealth build / since it’s technically a HazMat suit and can’t add armor is it still more beneficial for Life Giver with how low the base protection is
Health doesn’t matter on bloodie builds. Action points and reducing damage in general (similar) are king. the +10DR resistance and +10health, +10 carry weight yada yada yada. Are wastes. Think about it??? Why would you spend one or more PERK on an item that Literally any dirty bowl of soup will give you health. Don’t listen to your gut- listen to the guy on your team with 50 total health that never dies.
health is harder to get and % reductions are better than resist. I know this because running around with dodgy in chinese stealth suit (especially after rework) makes you extremely durable even without other damage reductions. If it wasn't for the fact that I can't use outfits in stealth suit, and that int doesn't really have a cap for giving exp bonus, i'd be in stealth suit all the time when using ranged.
Even in a bloodied build, the amount of health you have matters since its a matter of percentage. A high endurance bloodied build with 20% health can be very tanky because it has still plenty of hit points to spare.
Try to keep the distance for the shots the same; doesnt shots from further away damage less? Like if you stay super close to them test mob all the you remove that factor.
The same goes for Nuclear Winter, Iron Clad is best while you are unarnored (or in hazmat) but Lifegiver remains useful throughout the match and better in all other situations.
Turtle, help solve please. Out of no where, no change. Randomly hit by melee attack my character will burst into flames doing damage to everything around. I do not have have perk cards that drop anything or do anything like that. Ideas?
No, bloody damage will always be based upon a percentage of HP, life giver basically increases your bloody HP a little bit. Serendipity, ricochet and dodgy will serve you much better as a bloody
@@chill_will9816 I already have them fixed richocet and serendipity. Dodgy I can't keep up with it, I always have a low AP bar even though I have the AP refresh in all armor + action man so I removed it a while ago I have already put the best cards in Endurance and in order not to lose points I was looking for a better card and for now it is lifegiver
I've been running 5 star iron clad but if 3 star life giver even does the same for me then it's worth it because I can swap out and get fireproof or something to help as well...
I have both of them on my main I also maxed out endurance i’m immune to fire call poison nothing in the game that poisons me or burns me or freezes me has any effect except other players for some reason flame from another player is way more potent than a flame from an NpcOr poison for instants I mean it blurs my vision but it doesn’t damage me at all when I get poison sometimes like a queen
If there is a more powerful weapon available for them to pick you from deceased comrades, npcs will pick them up. Also a good anno farm technique for under 50
Hey turtle, I don’t know from sheep Squatch but if you’re saying that he just has 100% armor ignore that’s not true damage his damage can still be reduced it can’t be resisted because he’s ignoring your armor but it can be reduced by damage reduction perks, power armor for instance, gives you 42% damage reduction on top of any resistance as it might have so it’s not really true damage bleed damage is true damage cannot be reduced reduced or resisted at all, but I’m ignore might ignore your resistance is it does not ignore your damage reduction perks
Please tell me, Shotguns vs Semi Auto Rifles vs Auto Rifles vs SMGs and pistols vs Heavy Guns and at heavy guns Rocket Launcher vs balistic weapons like minigun and gatling (I made a bloody minigun but I just found after 2 hours of play a gatling that has 100 dmg while the minigun has 33...) vs laser vs plasma vs flamer vs idk... I m around explosions and grenades, ah, there is a heavy grenade launcher too that resembles the .50 cal MG, and gatling plasma is very cool but you have mutations and a mutation is 100 energy resistance and -50% energy dmg or smth.... I m really too exhausted and is too much for me to make a build tbh, I NEED Help guys!!
The only scenario where ironclad could be superior is if you had a steady flat health gain ticking. In that case, the extra efficiency would act as a multiplier for the health gain, and if the gain is high enough, that could make you mote survivable vs ballistic and energy. However, the only effect in game that acts like that (strong healing tick) is a stimpack, and stimpacks scale off of your max health, so lifegiver still increases that efficiency more than ironclad.
Blood eagles tend to pick up weapons off of dead comrades more often than super mutants. What bugs me is when you kill one and find that there is no big gun in their loot!
@@PunkRockZombie205 it works more against limb damage so YOU can't become crippled. I use to rock that card but scrapped it. I took Ironclad to 5 and some cards just work better while not maxed , at 4 it seemed much more effective to me and I have lifegiver maxed as well , played earlier running both and was chopped to pieces faster than I believe because I was running some texts and now I'm scrapping both because they don't match my play style. Have fun learning and trying new things , the game is getting better.
I used to run ironclad thinking it was better then switched to life giver,because with the vanguard armor you get more damage resistance with more health, so I thought that maybe life giver would give me another tier of damage resistance
It would have been interesting to see the benefits ( if much at all ) of not running either of those cards, on this test also. Like at the end you did one last test without neither of the cards to show the difference. My build just has one Endurance... And I just run Radicool. I could maybe benefit from one of these. But I just do the good 'OL Jump 'N Shoot. Haha. Still.. thank you once again for the information! I was actually thinking about making another heavy gunner build because I was curious. About this.
With Barbarian , Blocker , Ironclad , Dodgy , Lone Wanderer , Nerd Rage , Evasive , Serendipity maxed and Ricochet level 2...my bloodied unarmed character just doesn't really get hurt...always tanking Earl or the queen punching them...when they DO hit me...I just use a stimpack until when ever they hit me again...of course when Earl DOES hit me , it needs to be healed right away lol
I've liked Life Giver much better for a long time now for my builds, high HP with 200-300 resist is much better than trying to boost resist past those numbers. Great video as always Turtle :)
lol the Supermutants are getting smart Turtle...they know that you treat them as test subjects so they have hidden caches of weapons now to mess with you hahahahaha :P :P
😂
Turtle is truly Dedicated
He kills himself with Toxic Goo and Mr Gutsy, many times to prove his theory ,so your don't have to die many times yourself
True dedication
I always have to rethink lot of things, after each single videos of him. But its definitely worth it. He is undoubtedly testing the most important things.
A simple and straightforward demonstration as always. Thanks.
I think people don't always take into account the damage ramp that resistance creates. If it were flat effect, sure, Ironclad would be better. But damage per hit is calculated the way that it is, that extra hp is always going to help... and the added threshold for nerdrage doesn't hurt either
I’m not sure what any of that meant but why wouldn’t you simply have both of them if you want to be a tank you need 15 points in endurance anyway, if you’re not wearing powered armor, why would you not have iron clad and if you can fit it you know 45 health is also good
For a bloodied build (low health), you cannot put a lot of point in endurance. So because of that, we need too pick one. But yes for a tank build you can pick both .
@@billy_cross .
@@alexandreboudteault-leblan3815 nonsense low health builds should insist in maxing out endurance even more than others. More endurance means a larger chucnk of health at 20% and less chance of a one shot
@@alexandreboudteault-leblan3815 ironclad, fire proof, Adamantium skeleton and lead belly and radicool all maxed makes you tanky in endurance and increases you health pool so when something hits you hard there is less chance of being one hit.
Using Lifegiver on my bloodied PA build makes a lot of difference. I stay in nerd rage so I’m always below 20% HP, without lifegiver my 20% is 49-50 HP with lifegiver I sit at like 61-66 HP which with the fact that I’m taking roughly 3HP worth of damage from NPCs on average gives me 5 extra hits I can take. Doesn’t seem like a lot but you notice how much slower you die with that perk.
The only thing about the test I thought was wrong was the full health test you shouldn't have nerd rage because a full health character wouldn't have nerd rage so it could change the results
I run full health and use Nerd Rage because I don't auto stim.
@@fifteen8 how does running or not running nerd rage have anything to do with auto stemming you’re still going to die if you don’t stim or are you saying you just run at low health naturally still a waste of three first points really unless you’re going to be there all the time soon as you hit a stem lose that damage reduction in that damage buff
@@billy_cross Hi. This post was from a while ago so I'm not sure what I was saying. You're right - when running full health, Nerd Rage is not used normally. I think I might have set up my build so that when the Nerd Rage animation triggered, I knew to stim up. You're also right, that this takes 3 Int points. But I may have been maxing out Int for XP at that time, so had the space. Anyway, sorry for any confusion!
@@fifteen8 yeah I didn’t notice how old it was either
A lot of people overlook the fact that Life Giver works in power armor as well. Meaning that if you need to hop into your PA for any reason, IronClad stops working while Life Giver works the same.
These are the Vault-Tec tests im always looking forward to seeing!
Thanks for that Turtle will remove Ironclad and put on Life-giver, for my full health build, great vid thanks
The very end made me laugh. That poor Gutsy was probably feeling good about himself until then lol
This is something I’m interested in finding out. Thank you
Turtle, can you do a video on underarmor? I'm just starting a character that is not using power armor or stealth suit and there's so many different ones I'm a bit confused. Or are they all the same? And I've heard you can mod it like other armor pieces?
yes i can
@@AngryTurtle
We know you can 😁🐢🔪🐢
Ironclad or Lifegiver? Me: Adamantium Skeleton.
three at once!!!
All three haha.
My limbs hardly ever get crippled
Being a melee character getting crippled then killed is one of the most embarrassing feelings it's a must to have for some lol
Perfect video, I've been running a 2pt Ironclad for some time now. I'll have to switch it up. Great info, thanks, Turtle
Both have many uses, iron clad can be even more extraordinary when combined with evasive/barbarian as of now with new bos recon armor I can reach 500 physical and 390 energy. Life giver can also be used to mitigate the effects of the adrenal reaction serum to the point it has no negative at all with class freak. Depends on playstyle and character class.
Wouldn't ironclad reduce the amount of damage you do with berserker weapons?
@@donnathedead7554 No, the perk card that increases resistances per strength level.
@@Krain420 That card s called Barbarian to avoid the confusion ;)
@@Krain420 Berserker = damage increase the lower your damage resistance. Ironclad increases damage resistance.
@@donnathedead7554 Edited in case you missed it dear. It was barbarian not berserker. ;)
I use both as a melee tank build. 😏
Combine that with some Psychobuff and Fasnacht Sausage along with Vodka means I face tank basically anything.
It may not be optimal at all, but damn is it fun.
Perfect timing on this since I'm currently figuring out my Endurance perks. Awesome vid Turtle!
Thanks for taking the time to test these perks you are my go to on TH-cam.
Any thoughts on running ghoulish while running bloodied wht would it do?
I'd gotten so used to not using life giver, I think I've just gotten so used to how I maintain my bloodied build
IronClad is only good in the early game when you have no good armor or armor mods. Once you have a full set of any Heavy armor, additive resistance has a huge drop off.
What number does it start to drop off? 350? Or higher?
6:45 , I am currently running a build like that. It is a lot of fun, especially if you have what rads and ghoulish. Pop a rad-shield and you become a pseudo tank in nuke zones...just don't forget rad away. Best part of the whole experience is not having to wear clothes ;)
I have allways had lifegiver in my perks, good to know it is the best one possible.
Also, I use SS armor, so my resistance is very high and Ironclad would benefit me even less.
I'd like to see a part 2 of this video demonstrating full health and bloodied without life giver or ironclad.
I have a full set of vanguard's combat, marine or secret service on my 3 non-power armour characters. The extra 40 or even 50 Dr from ironclad makes very little difference to me but life giver makes me tanky as all hell.
I love that experimental melee build! Just need a vampire weapon
great, finally a turtle lab video that doesn't make me change my builds :D
thanks a lot!
@andry turtle I tried lifesaver and it only gives around 8 more health points for a bloodied build at 15% health so it's really not worth it for bloodied.
It seems like it wouldn’t be worth it but every health point counts with bloodied IMO
So for a bloodied build with a base armor over 300, you should use lifegiver?
yes
Thank you! As a Stealth Armor user... this really could be useful.
The first part was Comedy Gold. Always happens when you want to test something.
Me:(laughing in barbarian with unyielding)
Interesting test. I'm curious about perks and armor that reduce damage and how they interact with each other. For example: Blocker and Lone Wanderer. Would they be added together before being applied or would they be applied separately?
separately
Great ending 🤣 and thank you, i’m going to use lifegiver now in daily ops when stealth is not an option.
Huge help! Thanks turtle!!!
ngl i forgot ironclad was a thing now that i look at it i regret not getting it i should’ve listened when they said don’t scrap perk cards
Can you do a video on revenant and mysterious savior combo for bloodied build?! No one has any good videos on this powerful combo! Thanks mate!
life saving works better ;)
@@AngryTurtle haha I know! I watched that one. Please bro! ;D
I been using ironclad and im bloodied...ill have to change to lifegiver 🤔
I went lifegiver after running ironclad forever. I’m full on bloodied also with Uny armor etc... I noticed it increased my minimum health I needed for nerd rage to activate also since it’s based on a percentage. I’ve noticed a massive difference.
great video! i just geting out of my power armor for the fisrt time and i making my on foot build. this will help me a lot.
LOL, Love the fact you put the parts that dont go according to plan ( the magic mingun swapping etc) :)
Anybody else notice Grim Reaper Sprint triggering way more often if your gun has 25% less VATS on it? My handmades are trigging it almost 100% of the time!
why do not use both?
That's a waste of perk points that are better invested in any other category to increase resistance damage evasion carry weight or damage output (in my opinion)
Exactly what I do, use em both! I don't use any sort of carry weight perks so that leaves all the points i have to use for tankiness + dmg perks.
For a bloody build, I enjoy having Lifegiver as it pulls my 20% hp pull to a higher number & it also works in power armor.
Angry Turtle, do u have video about Fireproof(END) and Sizzling Style (legendary perk)? Is there any reason to use em both?
there's for pvp and earle event
I often get asked the same and my answer is the same but for some reason many players dont really believe. I barely use these kind of perks, maybe at the beginning of the game is Bodyguards 1 in a full 4 man team a nice protection for just 1 perkpoint but on higher levels you have your Secret service or brotherhood armor with backpacks and damage reduction perks what is enough. But if i use one its Evasive 3 what gives you good bonus for 3 perkpoints.
Thanks for testing and showing the results, now if somebody asks i can just link this video ^^ awesome
im using a bloodied, low health build for explosive and commando. full unyielding armor set. im using fireproof, radicool and ironclad. should I use lifegiver with instead... IC and LG? i dont have much issues with my build but would this help ??
as you can see life giver is better option
Is there a difference for either option when you're running that ghoulish build you highlighted in another video?
I'm interested in getting a full health, non power armor, heavy gunner build. (I know that's not the most optimal option)
life giver pair nicely with ghoulish
I've gone with Lifegiver in the event I jump into PA (which I never do, but anyway). It's good to know I made the right choice. Thanks Turtle.
I always guessed that life giver was better but its nice to see a video that confirms it. Smart to get a gutsy to test resistance, im gonna start using that to test stuff
Yes, but many bloodied build will run at about 20% to 25% health. So that's lower than in your video. And they will only add 20% to 25% of that 45 health increase. So in the end, they will probably be the same. Except that you can go one higher on Ironclad.
that's not how it works... 😐
@@AngryTurtle Hang on... so, the rads will first lower the health to a percentage, and then the 45 health increase is added on top? That makes it more useful indeed.
Angry Turtle do you think this applies with Chinese Stealth Armor stealth build / since it’s technically a HazMat suit and can’t add armor is it still more beneficial for Life Giver with how low the base protection is
The more HP you have the better damage resistance perks do nothing
stealth suit have armour unless you're using broken one
Health doesn’t matter on bloodie builds. Action points and reducing damage in general (similar) are king.
the +10DR resistance and +10health, +10 carry weight yada yada yada. Are wastes. Think about it??? Why would you spend one or more PERK on an item that Literally any dirty bowl of soup will give you health. Don’t listen to your gut- listen to the guy on your team with 50 total health that never dies.
I do both. But I believe what going for p a build non pa. Admantum and fire proof radicool solar power
what other cards for a non power armor tanky/bloody build?
Me an intellectual, using both
Me a better intellectual using life giver cause bloodied 😂
health is harder to get and % reductions are better than resist. I know this because running around with dodgy in chinese stealth suit (especially after rework) makes you extremely durable even without other damage reductions. If it wasn't for the fact that I can't use outfits in stealth suit, and that int doesn't really have a cap for giving exp bonus, i'd be in stealth suit all the time when using ranged.
Even in a bloodied build, the amount of health you have matters since its a matter of percentage. A high endurance bloodied build with 20% health can be very tanky because it has still plenty of hit points to spare.
Try to keep the distance for the shots the same; doesnt shots from further away damage less? Like if you stay super close to them test mob all the you remove that factor.
damage drop off starts after enemy is really far away gutsy has over 200 range
@@AngryTurtle Ok! Thanks for the info, keep being awesome.
I have a question is there any use to using adamantium skeleton perk for bloodied two handed melee build in power armor
no, pa already give you this bonus for free
@@AngryTurtle thank you for the help
Are the gutsies not ignoring a lot of armor? I know the one who fires two shots at a time is worse but.
in case of enemies that don't result was even worse for iron clad perk
thank you for this test I will put the giver of life in all my builds.
The same goes for Nuclear Winter, Iron Clad is best while you are unarnored (or in hazmat) but Lifegiver remains useful throughout the match and better in all other situations.
Turtle, help solve please. Out of no where, no change. Randomly hit by melee attack my character will burst into flames doing damage to everything around. I do not have have perk cards that drop anything or do anything like that. Ideas?
On the thumbnail I saw the flames so I thought you were going to show what causes it but no luck.
mutation 🤔
@@AngryTurtle I have the same mutations for a year...nothing new.
in that case no clue 😂
@@AngryTurtle If you don't know then I am really broke! Haha. People see it and ask me what it is.
Does Lifegiver also affect damage when playing bloodied? In the sense that it increases the damage?
No, bloody damage will always be based upon a percentage of HP, life giver basically increases your bloody HP a little bit. Serendipity, ricochet and dodgy will serve you much better as a bloody
@@chill_will9816 I already have them fixed richocet and serendipity. Dodgy I can't keep up with it, I always have a low AP bar even though I have the AP refresh in all armor + action man so I removed it a while ago
I have already put the best cards in Endurance and in order not to lose points I was looking for a better card and for now it is lifegiver
I've been running 5 star iron clad but if 3 star life giver even does the same for me then it's worth it because I can swap out and get fireproof or something to help as well...
I have both of them on my main I also maxed out endurance i’m immune to fire call poison nothing in the game that poisons me or burns me or freezes me has any effect except other players for some reason flame from another player is way more potent than a flame from an NpcOr poison for instants I mean it blurs my vision but it doesn’t damage me at all when I get poison sometimes like a queen
What if you got both on?
So do you think lv 3 solar powderd is better than lv 3 iron clad?
that will depend how high your dr already is
Rejuvenated, fireproof and adamantium skeleton 👌
So I'm a low-health bloodied build, What should I use than ironclad or life-giver?
So what happens.If you use both perk cards at the same time ? Will you be even more of a tank ?
yes
Good comparison. Thx Turtle.
You make the best testing content for Fallout 76 on TH-cam. Thanks.
Love your videos bro !!!!
Turtle! I wish you also shown this test base lined with NEITHER equipped! I’m very curious now. And both if the SPECIAL permitted it
if you are very curious you can calculate that based on the damage gutsy was doing per shot ;)
@@AngryTurtle very true! Although it won’t give me the full turtle experience 😂
What about the difference between neither, and both? I'm a tank using both.
definitely both are better 😅
I have both wanna have both tracked I doubt I’ll make another full health character without 15 endurance endurance
I use both on my tank/melee build.
Hey turtle! Will you be doing a video to showcase the changes that just went live in the PTS? I'm excited to see the changes to meele.
yes when they open the pts, most likely next friday
If there is a more powerful weapon available for them to pick you from deceased comrades, npcs will pick them up. Also a good anno farm technique for under 50
Hey turtle, I don’t know from sheep Squatch but if you’re saying that he just has 100% armor ignore that’s not true damage his damage can still be reduced it can’t be resisted because he’s ignoring your armor but it can be reduced by damage reduction perks, power armor for instance, gives you 42% damage reduction on top of any resistance as it might have so it’s not really true damage bleed damage is true damage cannot be reduced reduced or resisted at all, but I’m ignore might ignore your resistance is it does not ignore your damage reduction perks
Please tell me, Shotguns vs Semi Auto Rifles vs Auto Rifles vs SMGs and pistols vs Heavy Guns and at heavy guns Rocket Launcher vs balistic weapons like minigun and gatling (I made a bloody minigun but I just found after 2 hours of play a gatling that has 100 dmg while the minigun has 33...) vs laser vs plasma vs flamer vs idk... I m around explosions and grenades, ah, there is a heavy grenade launcher too that resembles the .50 cal MG, and gatling plasma is very cool but you have mutations and a mutation is 100 energy resistance and -50% energy dmg or smth.... I m really too exhausted and is too much for me to make a build tbh, I NEED Help guys!!
Very helpful information turtle 👍
Does the barbarian worth it getting i see u dnt even have it on your build
only if you don't need anything better under strength
The only scenario where ironclad could be superior is if you had a steady flat health gain ticking. In that case, the extra efficiency would act as a multiplier for the health gain, and if the gain is high enough, that could make you mote survivable vs ballistic and energy.
However, the only effect in game that acts like that (strong healing tick) is a stimpack, and stimpacks scale off of your max health, so lifegiver still increases that efficiency more than ironclad.
13 Endurance melee tank: Why not (almost) both? 😜
What about rejuvenated compared to lifegiver?
it's bad
@@AngryTurtle thanks! :D
That’s how super mutants are magically pull out heavy weapons 😂😂
Blood eagles tend to pick up weapons off of dead comrades more often than super mutants. What bugs me is when you kill one and find that there is no big gun in their loot!
How would adamentium skeleton stack up against these I wonder?
it will not, making your limbs tougher doesn't increase your tankiness
Ah, thank you. I'm still pretty new and didn't realize it wouldn't stop health damage. They could've worded it better.
@@PunkRockZombie205 it works more against limb damage so YOU can't become crippled. I use to rock that card but scrapped it. I took Ironclad to 5 and some cards just work better while not maxed , at 4 it seemed much more effective to me and I have lifegiver maxed as well , played earlier running both and was chopped to pieces faster than I believe because I was running some texts and now I'm scrapping both because they don't match my play style. Have fun learning and trying new things , the game is getting better.
Love your real world scientific tests
I like how the super mutants loot minigins... if you kill the minigun dude and keep pissing them off the one will get the gun and then just repeat
I used to run ironclad thinking it was better then switched to life giver,because with the vanguard armor you get more damage resistance with more health, so I thought that maybe life giver would give me another tier of damage resistance
What about Lifegiver vs Fireproof?
It would have been interesting to see the benefits ( if much at all ) of not running either of those cards, on this test also.
Like at the end you did one last test without neither of the cards to show the difference.
My build just has one Endurance... And I just run Radicool. I could maybe benefit from one of these. But I just do the good 'OL Jump 'N Shoot. Haha.
Still.. thank you once again for the information! I was actually thinking about making another heavy gunner build because I was curious. About this.
With Barbarian , Blocker , Ironclad , Dodgy , Lone Wanderer , Nerd Rage , Evasive , Serendipity maxed and Ricochet level 2...my bloodied unarmed character just doesn't really get hurt...always tanking Earl or the queen punching them...when they DO hit me...I just use a stimpack until when ever they hit me again...of course when Earl DOES hit me , it needs to be healed right away lol
You are wasting a lot of perk points for no reason
I've liked Life Giver much better for a long time now for my builds, high HP with 200-300 resist is much better than trying to boost resist past those numbers. Great video as always Turtle :)
I was always told these robots have a lot of armor pen so not sure if this is a fare test.
Why not put both on and be a tank?
Would life giver be more benificial in a vanguard build ?
yes