Update: Factory tool pouch was under the seat so I substracted the end weight in the excel sheet to be without the toolset. Corrected starting weight: 197.28 kg ( 434.93 lb )
Great content on your channel, looking forward to follow this build. Would be interesting to see 21 & 18 wheel conversion on a CB500/NX500 dont think I have seen that been done before 😅
I have been wondering about doing that for the longest time but there are some things I'm not so sure about. Going 18 on the rear would mean the swingarm needs to be stretched about 2 inches. This would drastically change the chassis dynamics on a bike that is designed to run 19/17 combo. I worry that the bikes handling would be worse than let's say MT450 that is designed to run 18/21. It would absolutely look better but I'm worried it might ride worse.
Interesting.. I built a 2014 CB500X about 8 years ago with a lot of the Rally Raid parts. While it was better than stock I could never get the suspension to perform where I liked it. The newer ones have USD forks and dual front discs and I think that should help a lot. Meanwhile I picked up a 2020 DRz400 SM that I am building into a lightweight ADV bike. Just finished rebuilding a set of S wheels that I will be installing this week.
Defeinitely fun to see DRZ coming back to finland too with the new fuel injected model they released. That could be a CRF300 replacement for me... we shall see 😄 Good luck with the build!
@ the funny thing about the 25 model getting FI and ABS thereby coming back in all the markets is it demonstrated my control over Suzuki. I had been looking at this used SM at my dealer and right before I bought it I had asked if his Suzuki rep had mentioned anything about the 25 model being updated with FI. I was told that he wasn’t even sure there was going to be a 25 model. Then two days after I bought that SM came the EICMA announcement about the new 25 model. It was at that point I realized that all this time Suzuki was just waiting for me to buy a DRZ before releasing the new model! 😂😂
I don't know the rim width of the OEM wheels but in case you go with new (Haan/Excel) wheels/rims you may want to select a smaller width. In case you go with HD tubes you'll increase the weight compared to standard once. You can also safe weight with the chain kit when scaling down from 525 to 520 and use a steel/aluminium rear sprocket e.g. ZF brand. Enjoy your winter work and keep some money for heating and don't burn it all 😉
Looking forward to this series. The first winter shots were very similar what outside my house looked like yesterday here, though all the snow is now gone being one the shore of Lake Ontario and our propensity to have a near freezing-but-not-quite December.
It would be helpful to understand the how the weight is dispersed relative to its current weight. Does the bike become more or less top heavy and how is the front rear tire loading changed? Lowering the weight and optimizing its distribution for the intended riding style may be more valuable than the delta. Best of luck!
It would be fun to do some kind of repeatable "top heaviness" test but it is VERY difficult once you actually start calculating the best methods and thinking how practical it would be to actually measure. Spilling fuel, different bikes being different heights (handlebar height differences in proportion to the bike in different models, calculating the actual lean angle etc etc etc. Also in reality this kind of content doesn't really appeal to a wider audience from my experience. I do racebox testing of different bikes and their acceleration speeds very scientifically but those videos are probably the worst performing on my whole channel. In the end the reason for even measuring the weight at the start is just to see how light I can keep the bike in relation to it's factory weight. My goal is to keep the weight the same and every kg under is a bonus.
I bougt a exaust for 1000 dollars a windscreen for 200 dollar, pegs for 100 dollars, seat cover 50 dollar, hendlebar riszers 150 dollars so it get pretty expensive :P!
@ and as we know it’s always better to follow the way of the heart than the doom of eternal regret ☺️ Good luck with the build and I think that the internet will await it with excitement 🙂
I had a fully build out rally raid level 2 cb500x and I can say it was an amazing adventure bike and incredibly capable. I'd say more capable than my tenere 700 in some respects, but just lacked that extra power on the road for me.
Thanks for sharing! I love traveling on backroads and taking the smaller mostly unpaved routes. I was surprised in my test ride that this bike could do 110 kmh on the highway without feeling like it's stressed and it was very stable at that speed too. That is plenty for my travels 🙂 I was fine with the stock power but I'm still going to do some performance upgrades to get some extra punch 😄
I've just bought an nx500 and I curious of all the mods you'll gonna do to it, and maybe take some inspirations. I already know that following this video will cost me a lot of money but it doesn't matter 😂
You can pick only the best ones 😄 I'm gonna start traveling with this bike in the spring so we can see how everything works in practice. The performance tunes are gonna be interesting.. worth a follow in itself ☺️
Goooo PB. Will be fun 2 follow. I went through the list twice & my 1st remark is regarding the front fender modification. I would stay with the low version. the combination of the 19" wheel and high mudguard ..??? .... it's not a nice combination, at least from my point of view. 2nd 1930 euro for the level 2 suspension kit (what stands for "HPA"?), well what about a nice 2nd hand fork with the low fender, something like a KTM set up? 4 the end, don't waste your time, go 2 work . I can't wait for the 2nd episode 😍
I'm fully with you on the high fender. I was originally thinking of even going with 18/21 wheel combo BUT this would drastically change the bikes riding dynamics as it is designed to work with the 19/17 setup. Also the swing would need changing. I'm most likely going to leave the low fender as I actually like low fenders especially on a travel bike which this is going to be anyway 😄 HPA means hydraulic preload adjuster to the rear shock. RR setup is pricey especially taxed to Finland but I trust them and they do excellent stuff so I'm more than happy to pay 😁 I will try to post byweekly during the whole winter ✌️ Thanks for taking the time to give your input! Its highly appreciated! 😊
I am here for the vicarious burning of money! If you drop a few kg's and make all those improvements you will have an amazing all rounder . ooooooooooor you could just buy a new Tuareg Rally. I kid, I kid I know the build is the whole point and the fun. Plus Honda reliability and dealer network. Frankly, I am afraid to total how much I have spent on my CRF300L Rally. I suspect its in the ballpark of what I paid for it used. 😱
It's always a bad idea to calculate these but I had to for the videos 😂 Yeah there are better platforms for a bike build but also some that don't really need anything done and to me that's a bit boring 😁
It found a new home.. Fast moves this year but I had to let it go as I have some very long trips planned next year to even some locations where support is not always there. I just felt I can't trust the Tuareg to what I want to do with my travel bike. One of the many reasons I picked this Honda as my next build. The feeling of having to stress about small little niggles while traveling is not nice. The bike itself I still feel is the best to ride from the mid size category and I absolutely love the Tuareg 660 to bits. I just don't have the money to keep it in the garage just for fun.
@@PatchedBandit Unfortunately, I decided to not buy Tuareg for the same reason. While the reliability does not seem to be that bad, spare parts are virtually unavailable. Owners are waiting even 3 months for parts, while this model is still in production. That's absolute logistics failure by Aprilia. Because I don't like anything currently on the market enough, I'm looking for certain 90's or 2000's bikes. These are hard to find in like new condition even when I'm willing to pay new bike price.
@uralicdneprov1806I was looking at the MT450 here in the States . Same thing with CF Moto long waits for parts. You can get Honda parts all over the place and for cheap too
That's a tall order 😆 I thought about 21" front but without swapping 18" back it would be lobsided. Also going 18" rear would mean stretching the swingarm by a couple inches and I'm afraid that might make the handling wonky on a bike that is not designed for it. We shall see if the 19/17 combo is a problem when we go to some harder terrain but I'm pretty confident it can handle it.
True. But the thing with these modern bikes is that oem grips integrate to the dashboard and dont take space from the handlebar. Oxfords are great but I prefer the integrated oem version.
Unfortunately, curb weight is unfair because it punishes motorbikes for fuel capacity and thus the range. Dry weight is unfair too because different bikes need quite different quantity of liquids and fuel for the ride. There should be something like 200km trip ready weight.
Then consumption would be a factor and some manyfacturers are more true to life than others what they report. Best would be the weight without any fuel because then we could easily calclulate the fuel weight. For me its just not practical to weigh with empty tank. Hard to get every drop out the tank and the main reason for the weight before project is to know the weight after. This we can see easiest just with a full tank.
Update: Factory tool pouch was under the seat so I substracted the end weight in the excel sheet to be without the toolset. Corrected starting weight: 197.28 kg ( 434.93 lb )
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Honda's weight is spot on. The rule says the bike has to be weighed with 90% or more of fuel, not a 100% full tank. Good on Honda for being honest.
True. Would be unreasonable to assume tank would be that full. But it is easier for me to keep the weighings the same between times 🙂
Pretty excited to see if you will get this bike offroad worthy 👌🏻 Can’t wait for the next episode 👌🏻
Gonna be fun to try! 😄
Great content on your channel, looking forward to follow this build. Would be interesting to see 21 & 18 wheel conversion on a CB500/NX500 dont think I have seen that been done before 😅
I have been wondering about doing that for the longest time but there are some things I'm not so sure about. Going 18 on the rear would mean the swingarm needs to be stretched about 2 inches. This would drastically change the chassis dynamics on a bike that is designed to run 19/17 combo.
I worry that the bikes handling would be worse than let's say MT450 that is designed to run 18/21.
It would absolutely look better but I'm worried it might ride worse.
Interesting..
I built a 2014 CB500X about 8 years ago with a lot of the Rally Raid parts. While it was better than stock I could never get the suspension to perform where I liked it. The newer ones have USD forks and dual front discs and I think that should help a lot.
Meanwhile I picked up a 2020 DRz400 SM that I am building into a lightweight ADV bike. Just finished rebuilding a set of S wheels that I will be installing this week.
Defeinitely fun to see DRZ coming back to finland too with the new fuel injected model they released. That could be a CRF300 replacement for me... we shall see 😄 Good luck with the build!
@ the funny thing about the 25 model getting FI and ABS thereby coming back in all the markets is it demonstrated my control over Suzuki.
I had been looking at this used SM at my dealer and right before I bought it I had asked if his Suzuki rep had mentioned anything about the 25 model being updated with FI. I was told that he wasn’t even sure there was going to be a 25 model.
Then two days after I bought that SM came the EICMA announcement about the new 25 model. It was at that point I realized that all this time Suzuki was just waiting for me to buy a DRZ before releasing the new model! 😂😂
I don't know the rim width of the OEM wheels but in case you go with new (Haan/Excel) wheels/rims you may want to select a smaller width. In case you go with HD tubes you'll increase the weight compared to standard once.
You can also safe weight with the chain kit when scaling down from 525 to 520 and use a steel/aluminium rear sprocket e.g. ZF brand.
Enjoy your winter work and keep some money for heating and don't burn it all 😉
Good tips! Thanks! 😄 I will heat myself with the CRF when I get the spikes installed again 😄
Looking forward to this series. The first winter shots were very similar what outside my house looked like yesterday here, though all the snow is now gone being one the shore of Lake Ontario and our propensity to have a near freezing-but-not-quite December.
Yeah we probably have very similar weather here in Finland 😁 Not a huge fan of winter but you learn to respect summer 😆
It would be helpful to understand the how the weight is dispersed relative to its current weight. Does the bike become more or less top heavy and how is the front rear tire loading changed? Lowering the weight and optimizing its distribution for the intended riding style may be more valuable than the delta. Best of luck!
It would be fun to do some kind of repeatable "top heaviness" test but it is VERY difficult once you actually start calculating the best methods and thinking how practical it would be to actually measure. Spilling fuel, different bikes being different heights (handlebar height differences in proportion to the bike in different models, calculating the actual lean angle etc etc etc.
Also in reality this kind of content doesn't really appeal to a wider audience from my experience. I do racebox testing of different bikes and their acceleration speeds very scientifically but those videos are probably the worst performing on my whole channel.
In the end the reason for even measuring the weight at the start is just to see how light I can keep the bike in relation to it's factory weight. My goal is to keep the weight the same and every kg under is a bonus.
I can't wait to see this crazy build come true... I'm planning to visit your studio once we get some snow to ground ❄️❄️
@@advseeker Welcome any day 😎✌️ Lots of work to do all those videos 😵💫😵💫
I bougt a exaust for 1000 dollars a windscreen for 200 dollar, pegs for 100 dollars, seat cover 50 dollar, hendlebar riszers 150 dollars so it get pretty expensive :P!
Wow! This is crazy but I love it 🥰 However, there are some budget lines that can save you quite a lot of money 💰
True! But heart wants what it wants 🤣
@ and as we know it’s always better to follow the way of the heart than the doom of eternal regret ☺️ Good luck with the build and I think that the internet will await it with excitement 🙂
I had a fully build out rally raid level 2 cb500x and I can say it was an amazing adventure bike and incredibly capable. I'd say more capable than my tenere 700 in some respects, but just lacked that extra power on the road for me.
Thanks for sharing! I love traveling on backroads and taking the smaller mostly unpaved routes. I was surprised in my test ride that this bike could do 110 kmh on the highway without feeling like it's stressed and it was very stable at that speed too. That is plenty for my travels 🙂
I was fine with the stock power but I'm still going to do some performance upgrades to get some extra punch 😄
I've just bought an nx500 and I curious of all the mods you'll gonna do to it, and maybe take some inspirations.
I already know that following this video will cost me a lot of money but it doesn't matter 😂
You can pick only the best ones 😄 I'm gonna start traveling with this bike in the spring so we can see how everything works in practice. The performance tunes are gonna be interesting.. worth a follow in itself ☺️
Goooo PB. Will be fun 2 follow. I went through the list twice & my 1st remark is regarding the front fender modification. I would stay with the low version. the combination of the 19" wheel and high mudguard ..??? .... it's not a nice combination, at least from my point of view. 2nd 1930 euro for the level 2 suspension kit (what stands for "HPA"?), well what about a nice 2nd hand fork with the low fender, something like a KTM set up? 4 the end, don't waste your time, go 2 work . I can't wait for the 2nd episode 😍
I'm fully with you on the high fender. I was originally thinking of even going with 18/21 wheel combo BUT this would drastically change the bikes riding dynamics as it is designed to work with the 19/17 setup. Also the swing would need changing.
I'm most likely going to leave the low fender as I actually like low fenders especially on a travel bike which this is going to be anyway 😄
HPA means hydraulic preload adjuster to the rear shock. RR setup is pricey especially taxed to Finland but I trust them and they do excellent stuff so I'm more than happy to pay 😁
I will try to post byweekly during the whole winter ✌️ Thanks for taking the time to give your input! Its highly appreciated! 😊
色裡談的頭熱啦...
Erittäin herkullinen alustus erittäin kutkuttavalle projektille! 💪
Kiitti! Toivotaan, että tästä saa jotain kiinnostavaa hierottua..
I am here for the vicarious burning of money! If you drop a few kg's and make all those improvements you will have an amazing all rounder . ooooooooooor you could just buy a new Tuareg Rally. I kid, I kid I know the build is the whole point and the fun. Plus Honda reliability and dealer network. Frankly, I am afraid to total how much I have spent on my CRF300L Rally. I suspect its in the ballpark of what I paid for it used. 😱
It's always a bad idea to calculate these but I had to for the videos 😂 Yeah there are better platforms for a bike build but also some that don't really need anything done and to me that's a bit boring 😁
Where is your Tuareg though?
It found a new home.. Fast moves this year but I had to let it go as I have some very long trips planned next year to even some locations where support is not always there.
I just felt I can't trust the Tuareg to what I want to do with my travel bike. One of the many reasons I picked this Honda as my next build. The feeling of having to stress about small little niggles while traveling is not nice.
The bike itself I still feel is the best to ride from the mid size category and I absolutely love the Tuareg 660 to bits. I just don't have the money to keep it in the garage just for fun.
@@PatchedBandit Unfortunately, I decided to not buy Tuareg for the same reason. While the reliability does not seem to be that bad, spare parts are virtually unavailable. Owners are waiting even 3 months for parts, while this model is still in production. That's absolute logistics failure by Aprilia.
Because I don't like anything currently on the market enough, I'm looking for certain 90's or 2000's bikes. These are hard to find in like new condition even when I'm willing to pay new bike price.
They shut down the main warehouses during summer. Seems like they just dont care 🤷♂️
@uralicdneprov1806I was looking at the MT450 here in the States . Same thing with CF Moto long waits for parts. You can get Honda parts all over the place and for cheap too
Tätä odotan todella mielenkiinnolla 🤠
🙏 Yritän toimittaa jotain kattomisen arvosta 😄
@@PatchedBandit En epäile yhtään 🤩
exciting !!! :D
IF I had the chance and the money, I'd try to make it look like the late 60's early 70's Honda SL350 with a rally tower and 21" front wheel.
That's a tall order 😆 I thought about 21" front but without swapping 18" back it would be lobsided. Also going 18" rear would mean stretching the swingarm by a couple inches and I'm afraid that might make the handling wonky on a bike that is not designed for it.
We shall see if the 19/17 combo is a problem when we go to some harder terrain but I'm pretty confident it can handle it.
Would like to see the true weight of himalayan 450
Sadly in Finland there is only 1 reseller in the capital city and I don't think they even have test rides as I have asked and they never answer.
Shocking moment for me: 2:06 Heated grips 360€! 360€? WTF? Gold plated? 😨
@@x-land-camp415 Oem Honda parts with Finnish prices 🤣 even got a discount on that! 😆😆
@@PatchedBandit ok, now I understand 😅
Good quality Oxford brand heated grips are around 100e in Europe.
True. But the thing with these modern bikes is that oem grips integrate to the dashboard and dont take space from the handlebar.
Oxfords are great but I prefer the integrated oem version.
Підписався і чекаю...бо купив хонду NX 5OO
вітаємо з новим NX500!
@PatchedBandit дякую!!!
#ForestGump!
YES 😆✌️
Unfortunately, curb weight is unfair because it punishes motorbikes for fuel capacity and thus the range. Dry weight is unfair too because different bikes need quite different quantity of liquids and fuel for the ride. There should be something like 200km trip ready weight.
Then consumption would be a factor and some manyfacturers are more true to life than others what they report.
Best would be the weight without any fuel because then we could easily calclulate the fuel weight.
For me its just not practical to weigh with empty tank. Hard to get every drop out the tank and the main reason for the weight before project is to know the weight after. This we can see easiest just with a full tank.
Vaikuttaa lupaavalta ja mielekiintoiselta projektilta… hullulla tavalla tosin 😂
@@mikkomattila5356 hullu tapa paras tapa 😎