Cardo Packtalk Bold review and how it connects and works with the TFT on the BMW Motorcycles
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- Learn my thoughts on the Cardo Packtalk Bold as well as how it works with the TFT on the BMW Motorcycle as well as some tips on the steps to make it easy to setup.
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Great review, really appreciate :-) I bought a packtalk bold and struglled to have a proper connection between the TFT and my NAV6 ... It is now done thanks to you Bye
My sincere thanks. I just could not get the headset (I'm using Freecom 4+) to pair with the Tft until I watched this. Very helpful.
Thanks Dave, saved me hours of attempting to figure this out on my own. This is great.
Gary S happy it helped!
This will be a great help tomorrow when I collect my new GSA looks like I maybe able to get it to work thanks for making this video 👍
Thanks for the review and setup, I’m a little challenged when it comes to things like this and you made it very easy to understand.
I'm glad you liked it and that it helped.
Thank you so much once again! Your info is invaluable... You have saved me from lots of frustrating hours of trying to connect my cardo to the gps... I really appreciate your guidance!
Glad it helped!
Thanks for another great instructional video, David. I recently had a system update installed on my 2019 GS HP. Of course, all the connections were lost during the update so I had to reconnect to get my Packtalk Bold working again. Adding the BMW Motorrad Connected app to my smart phone made the reconnections much easier than they were before. I followed your guide and everything worked great. Thanks!
I’m glad it helped you. Thanks for watching!
So pleased I found this video, very helpful indeed. Dont think I could of done it without this walk through, thanks
Glad it helped!
Great explanation - saved me hours of faffing around - much appreciated.
great video, I have been riding around with my pac talk connected to my phone and the TFT. Didn't realise it does not need to be connected to phone just the TFT and Nav. Thank you
Great to hear, thanks so much.
What a great video. Kept me from going insane! Thank you so much!
Glad it helped!
Top Review, and you just saved myself a lot of Headache. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!! Thanks for watching
Very helpful thanks
I’ve got the packtalk edge, it’s been cracking me up, I’ve never connected it to my bag though, it doesn’t like connecting to multiple devices, can’t wait to try your method on it at the weekend.
Thanks again 👍
Nav not bag🤦🏻♂️
Let me know How it goes!
Plko5322 have you somehow handle this? I’ve got Cardo Edge too and I’m struggling with receiving voice from nav / tel randomly 😤
Thank you so much for this video with the Cardo Packtalk instead of the Sena. You have now answered all the questions I had re your excellent previous video on TFT/Nav6/headset config. I now have reliable comms. Thanks again.
Thank you Sir for your reviews.
Glad you like them! It means a lot.. Thanks!
Top video, a happy outcome for me following the vid and successfully pairing it all up 👍
Just need to mesh with my mates Cardo and we're all good 👍. I guess I'll need phone2- Cardo pairing to mesh up, then re-pair the Nav6.
Many thanks 😊
If your mates have cardo then use the “mesh” connection called dmc I think that cardo has and it will work while all the connections to the bike remain.
Fyi in the tft display the button you are looking for already exist. After you start the bike, go to media, then hold the up button for 2 seconds it will take you back to your tach now you can hold up/down for 2 seconds to switch between music and tach
Quick tip: When you're in a sub menu, if you hold the "nav up" back button for 2 sec, and it will go directly to the start screen, and when you hold "nav down" button for 2 sec it will go back to the sub menu.
Great Video. Thank You!!!
My pleasure
Great video
Great video Dave. Clearly stated info with step by steps I could easily follow. I noticed you did not pair your your GPS to the Cardo's 3rd line that is made for GPS units. Why? If your cardo came with old directions that did not list it here it is. Start pairing as normal for one phone, double tap phone button to add second phone after cardo says "phone 2 pairing" scroll volume wheel forward and card should say GPS pairing. After accepting on your GPS you should have all GPS features that the phone line does not support.
Leonard Williams the music didn’t handle as well when in gps mode as phone mode which is the reason I did it that way. Appreciate your insight however.
Perfect. I was connecting my phone to the Cardo then when I started the bike the BMW connect kicked my music off. Also phone calls were not working well. People could not hear me speak
Great review! Tks a lot! I’ve been used in this way these last months, but I.m missing the “Hey Siri” command to exchange some info/actions with my iphone. Bye!
I think you loose more without the Hey Siri, than you gain with the TFT
Great Explanation, i had a Sena, then i quit using it because cardo its way better!! Thanks
I agree! I need to break down and buy a Cardo at some point. Unfortunately I had to give that one back as I was just demoing it.
This is a great help… thank you. My only issue when looking for my music (that I play via Spotify) on the Nav, it asks for an MP3. Am I missing a step?
Thank you! I ill try this for sure. I have had problems when someone calls me and the sound then goes from phone, via TFT, to helmet. The sound chops up. The same if I play Spotify. What am I doing wrong? Is it because Cardo is still connected to the phone?
Thanks David for the videos. They are super helpful. I did run into an issue and was curious if you had this problem with your unit at all. Everything will sync up just like you show it on your bike, but for some reason my GPS won’t show Media. When I go to the Packtalk connection on the GPS it shows that Media has failed and I cannot check the box to get it to work. This was not an issue with my Sena 10s. Everything is updated as well, so I’m lost as to why this may be happening. GPS does come through the headset with turn by turn. I’ve tried resyncing but I keep getting the same results. Thanks again for your videos.
Noah Wyatt did you connect your nav to the phone 2 slot or did you use the gps slot? If you roll the volume forward when in phone setup instead of tapping phone button twice it puts you in gps pairing mode and that is one feature I believe u lose the music connection. Another potential is what type of phone do you have? If android check the rights that it is allowing to the nav. Should be full. Let me know how that goes!
Thanks for the help David. It appears that I had something goofed up with the NAV setting on the headset. Keep up with the quality videos.
Great video. I have just bought that intercom. One question, why did you connect the gps to the intercom using phone 2 and not the gps setting??
You get to still control media when you use the phone connection. If GPS you don’t get that option.
Thanks for the video. I stumbled through connecting my backtalk bold before seeing this and got quite frustrated with it all until I turned the bike off to connect the nav. The only issue I'm having now is the "hey cardo" voice control on my bold is very poor. It used to work fine just connected to my phone but now it is at best intermittent but mostly isn't working, do you have any problems with the voice commands and control?
Dave Wilson it actually shouldn’t work at all so not sure why it is hit or miss. The only way to have Siri or hey cardo to work is to have the phone directly connected to the headset which creates a loop if you connect the way the it is recommended by bmw.
Very useful video. Thank you for making it. 1 point though. why don't you use GPS pairing on the Cardo Packtalk? (press phone button to mobile 1 pairing then rock the volume wheel). Could this not then achieve everything?
I don't have TFT (yet) but use phone 1 for my phone and the app and GPS pairing for my Nav V.
Man, I had no idea that would come up as often as it has. I lost something when I did GPS instead of phone. I can't remember if it was music didn't work the same or I couldn't get phone calls, not sure.. AND I didn't write it down! AND I had to give the Cardo back (big time sad face as I still have a Sena 10C pro and I really liked the Cardo!). So unfortunately I can't say exactly what I lost by using the GPS function instead of Phone 2 but I did lose something. If you pair it that way and something doesn't work the same, please let me know what it is.. If it doesn't then I'm not sure what I did that caused the issue. Either way I need to know. Thanks for the post!
Hi, very useful and informative video. I have ordered a new 2021 R1250RT with the new TFT screen, and I have bought a PackTalk Bold to use with it. I am trying to gather information before the bike arrives, and videos like yours have been great. I have used a Garmin Zumo 660 in the past for my tours with voice directions and music, but I'm hoping to use the TFT with the Motorrad Connected App through the Cardo. However, I am wondering if it is possible to set things up to hear music and the voice prompts/directions with the TFT, Cardo/App and phone?
Just as an aside if it makes a difference, I don't need/want to make or receive phone calls.
Many Thanks. Keep Safe
You will love that bike!! I’ve ridden just about all of them and keep coming back to the gs. Enjoy!
@@aMAYSingLife Thanks Dave. I have had R1200RTs including the 2017 I have traded in, and looking forward to the new one hopefully in March. I'll come back when I have the bike and if I have any issues with the things I mentioned. Keep Safe
Another good vid in time for my concern about switching Cards primarily because of riding so much in downpours of late and lack of sound quality on music and phone calls.
My question now is if you are considering the new ZUMO XT GPS ? I have made the plunge and found it to be a better choice than using a phone and Bmw Connect mount in my BMW mounting dock Once I discovered a converter which goes between my BMW GPS mount and Zumo produced in Italy and quickly shipped to me at small charge compared to the BMW connect mount which eliminates any and all wiring changes or additions. Plug and play made my new ZUMO XT Fit as clean as the NAV V did. Love to see how CARDO WOULD WORK IN THIS FORMAT.
I would think the Zumo should do fine. It really wont change the connectivity methods as described in my original connection video or this one. I don't know if the Zumo supports direct media support as the 6 does (albeit poorly in my opinion) or whether it supports phone. This isn't really a deal breaker though as you can always manage phone calls from the TFT. I wish i had a Zumo XT I could do testing with as I have been very unhappy with the whole ghosting issue the VI has been plagued with since it came out.
@@aMAYSingLife THE ZUMO DOES SUPORT DIRECT MEDIA , AS I WENT ON A TRIP AND OUR RIDE CAPTAIN SIMPLY BLUE-TOOTHED THE WAYPOINTS FROM HIS NAV VI DIRECTLY TO THE APPS ON MY NEW ZUMO . MANAGEMENT OF THE PHONE ON THE ZUMO IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TVT METHODS BUT IT IS AN EITHER OR CHOICE EASILY MADE AND SHOULD ANYTHING SCREW UP YOU CAN SWITCH OFF ON THE FLY. THE DEAL MAKER FOR ME WAS BEING ABLE TO MOUNT IT WITH A SIMPLE 3D PRINTED ADAPTER THAT GAVE ME INSTANT ACCESS TO THE MOUNTING ON MY EXISTING ALTHOUGH RELOCATED NAV V MOUNTING BRACKET. AGAIN NO JOLLY WHEEL USE ON THE XT ITSELF BUT-STILL WORKS ON THE BIKE ITSELF AND TFT.
Hi David!!! We exchanged some msgs about these pairings and the priority of connections. I decide not to use the Cardo app (but I am changing my mind). I am using the NAV VI while a long distance trip and TFT`s Navigation while in the city. The worst problem that I am trying to work around is the Cardo`s voice command. Have you tried something to have: TFT + Iphone + Cardo PTb ------> Navegation(TFT) + Music + Phone + Cardo App + Voice commands? Thanks for this new video!!
The only way to get voice support would be to connect the phone to tft and nav and headset (phone slot 1), tft to headset (phone slot 2). You would not get turn by turn audio instructions from the nav nor could u control music from nav but would have voice support through phone to headset.
Thanks for the review. I changed from the Sena 30k to the Packtalk some months ago. Mainly because of the lousy connections with my wife’s unit and the very poor battery life when using the Mesh. But here is a question.
Why don’t you connect the Nav to the Cardo as a Nav by starting the pairing and then roll back on the volume control of the Cardo?
The packtalk should have a GPS slot in addition to the phone 1 and phone 2 slots. If the NAV could connect to the GPS slot, that would enable the TFT and the phone to occupy the two other slots.
So the question would be if that still makes playing media through the TFT works (don't need media in the NAV) and be able to configure and control the packtalk from your phone, aswell as using mesh with other riders
You can use the gps slot but I don’t like the way it handles the music I believe when it is in that mode. I’ll have to pair it that way again to remember for sure but something didn’t work the same when I tried that. I believe it is music though.
@@aMAYSingLife Thanks for the quick reply. I'll check when I am able to and reply back. For me it would not be a dealbreaker if I'm only able to control music through the TFT and not the NAV, but for others it might.
If I lose that media-control redundancy, but gain configurability and control of mesh-groups etc from the phone, that would be a massive plus for me.
Great video! One question - I plan to buy a packtalk bold, can you please confirm i can connect it to the TFT & Nav VI and have a communication with my pillon rider using packtalk bold at the same time?
This has been something that I have of those who can but with limited connection to the nav. My understanding is you can as long as you use dmc for your com and not Bluetooth. I did not do it myself though. I struggle with the Sena to make that work. It seems hit or miss. Usually the nav struggles to stay connected. But that is with the sena. I didn’t have a pillion to test with so I’m going off others for this info.
I found that the Cardo will not power down while connected to the TFT. This became an issue when my mesh network got messed up on a ride and I needed to power cycle the Cardo. I wasn't able to get back into the mesh until we stopped and I was able to power off the bike.
Hi, I'm just in the process of researching the Packtalk Bold before I buy a set. One thing out of curiosity, the Bold has the option of connecting two bluetooth devices in addition to a sat nav/gps unit (double click to get the 2nd phone pairing followed by scrolling the dial forward changing it to sat nav). Is this something you have tried with the navigation unit on your bike to see if it would be compatible and free up one of the bluetooth slots?
I wish I still had the unit but it was only on loan to do the review. I did use the gps function but I lost capability and I can’t remember how it affected. I believe it was media connection in the nav. Whether you can connect 3 devices - 2 phones and a gps and it still handle I’m unsure.
Great video. I had similar problems pairing phone 2. Is there any way to listen to the radio with the Cardo App?
You’ll have to give up connecting to the Navigator with the headset. The nav can still connect to the phone so you get smart link connectivity but you will lose turn by turn audible notification. Just use the phone 2 slot to connect to the phone instead of the nav
Thanks for sharing this config/setup. I had a couple of questions though if you can help? I have just bought a BMW S1000RR and wanted to have music and telephone using the handlebar scroll wheel. SatNav via BMW app. Is this going to work with Cardo slim? What about the benefits of Sena’s new Bluetooth v5.0 50 range? I am less interested in group riding but IP67 and minimum wind interference is important - what would you recommend going into 2022 (tech changes so quickly). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for sharing knowledge and experience.
I haven’t tested the slim but for your config it should do fine. I would definitely make sure it has the same quality speakers that the bold has. I would highly recommend getting the new phone mount if your RR came with the gps mount installed. But back to cardo. The waterproof level of cardo is far better and you will need the better sound quality on the rr.
@@aMAYSingLife thanks for the quick response Dave and feedback. Have a threat Xmas.
I have 2021 BMW R1250GS with the Nav 6. I am using the Cardo Packtalk Slim. I have always been a Harley rider and just switched to BMW, love it! I have tried to follow your setup instructions and with the bike setting in the garage on the charger everything appears to be functioning. When i take the bike out for a ride the music is intermittent, loud enough and clear, but intermittent. If I disconnect everything except the iPhone to headset it works great. Do you have any recommendations? Thanks, Sam
I hate to ask this but did you update the cardo prior to connecting everything as stated in the video? In order to do this you will have to reconnect it directly to the phone, do the update, then delete that pairing and connect it back to the tft.
@@aMAYSingLife I did the update. Thanks
thanks, I am going to put my old packtalk onto my helmet and dump the SC1 as still distortion whatever I do. Only worried about having to dance like you!!!
Graham Lewis lol.. no rider was injured in the making of that video lol
Thanks 😊
That's the way they recommend doing it, I don't do that however since you lose access to "hey Siri" voice commands and I use those heavily. I just pair the TFT To the phone, and the GPS and phone to my headset. :)
Yup, if that’s a priority to have hey Siri then got to do it how you did.. thanks for watching.
Any changes with the PT Edge? Could the GPS switching out with the phone app work using the primary phone connection, or would you still use phone 2 (and not use the GPS option)? I very seldom listen to the GPS, usually leave it muted. Suppose I could just run with the app & TFT connected yto the Edge.
Hi Dave, thank you for this video. I was wondering, do you know of a way to connect just the iPhone, TFT and Packtalk. I do not have a NAV. Hey Siri is essential for me by the way. many thanks for any tips.
David Day you should be able to connect the phone as primary phone and tft as secondary. Still connect phone to nav but not nav to headset. This gives you traffic and weather just no music access from the nav or phone calls. You should have all that on the tft though. And since you are directly connected, Siri should work. Let me know if it did.
@@aMAYSingLife Hi Dave, thank you for your reply. I have tried connecting the Cardo to the iPhone as the primary and TFT as the secondary but this causes connection issues. I find music will suddenly stop and the connection will drop out and then come back. I have completely deleted the TFT from the setup and just connect the Cardo to the iPhone. I find this setup works flawlessly. Thanks again, Dave
Many thanks for this video Dave !! It has saved me a lot of frustration! I have a question. If I choose not to connect Packtalk to my Nav VI, (I do not listen to music while driving poor volume), then my smartphone (Android) should be able to connect to the Cardo app as you describe, except that I do not need to remove the connection? Or do I miss something ....?
I have also noticed that if I want to switch to DMC mode, I have to turn everything off, turn it on again and then switch to DMC or Bluetooth mode. Is it something you experienced?
Need to know first if you are riding a bike with a tft. Because music and nav will still go through the tft but you won’t get voice navigation without the nav which may be fine but want you to know. If you simply pair the phone 2 slot (or 1 without a tft) to the phone the connection to the nav will automatically be killed. I would recommend deleting the pairing in the nav as well but it will work prior. Yes I also ran into some quirky things dealing with dmc switching so not surprised there. Keep updating firmware as that might fix in time.
@@aMAYSingLife Sorry! I forgot the most vital .... ;-) I drive a BMW R1200GS 2018 with TFT. And if I understand you correctly, if I choose a solution where I connected my Packtalk to my TFT and to my android smartphone. And my smartphone to the TFT and my Nav. Will it kill the smartphone connection to Nav regardless? I want to keep that connection fixed only to have a connection to the Garmin Smartphone Link. Thanks again for your commitment in explaining the hardships of Bluetooth!
@@Bonvax so you can keep the connection of phone to nav in order to keep the smart link app working. Just don’t connected the headset to the nav and instead connect it to the phone if you want the app to work. I would probably use phone slot 1 for the phone and slot two for the tft.
@@aMAYSingLife OK thanks! It will be a perfect solution for me!
Question. I own a few motorcycles besides the GS which i use only for longer trips. It seems to makes more sense for me to have Cardo connected to the Phone. I Also hav NAV 6, how would you recommend a setup in this situation. Best regards and thanks for the great info! BMW should give you a motorcycle.
The config I recommended below in another of your posts will make it easy to transfer between bikes to especially if you move your nav between them. And sorry for the delay I have Covid and have for a week so dealing with that
Hey David, I'm planning a big trip for the 1st week of September for the wife and I and I'm in need of a few answers on the Nav 6. I've been using REVER to plan the rides and stab the waypoints. I then Export into Garmin BaseCamp to package it for the Nav 6. Everything comes across fine for the first day on the road (including waypoints)...but everyday thereafter everything transfers except all the waypoints. I'm not sure why this is happening and I can find no explanation anywhere. It's probably not critical to any leg of the trip as long as the track and route are set, but I'd still like to understand what might be happening. any help would be appreciated. Just thought I'd ask...
I don't use Rever a lot especially for route planning so unfortunately I'm not going to be a lot of help there. Hopefully someone else on here will read your post and comment.. Thanks for watching!
I sold my packtalk bold which can't multitask consistently and bought the Sena 50s. Everything on this video connected the same way everything just work now with the 50s. I do not recommend the Packtalk with nav6 and 2021 tft version. Known issues: It wont turn off while still connected to tft, sometimes won't reconnect to tft or gps (sometimes consistently and you need to turn off everything), issues streaming music (delays, stutter, no sound even though it song is playing, lowers music volume for gps announcement and doesn't reset to previous volume, can't talk to Siri while navigating and playing music). No issues with the 50s after several trips.
Thanks a lot Wheel Spin Great video. One question. I have other motorcyckes so i use Cardo connect to the Phone. The advantages are can use the Hey Cardo Function. I only use music from the Phone. Do you think i can baypass the TFT and connect cardo and nav 6 to the phone? Beat regards P
Actually you can still connect the phone to the tft and benefit from the BMW connected app even if you choose not to connect the tft to the headset. So headset phone 1 slot goes to goes to your phone. Phone 2 slot goes to nav. Phone connected to tft. Phone connected to Nav. You should get best of all worlds just can’t have music and phone go through tft.
Thanks a lot. I will try these. Really aprecciate you taking the time go explain all this. I only wish it could be simpler. But you sure made it possible. I confess im thinking about selling NAV 6 as the apps like waze and google maps are much better. Best regards PP
Hey David. Just got the 1st service and latest firmware update done on the '20 GSA. Obviously I have the TFT and the Nav6, and I've seen you and a few other folks utilize the BMW Connected app. I haven't really seen anyone making use of the Garmin Smartlink app. Now I'm just a novice at getting my head around all this new tech....so my question is, exactly how useful is it to run the Connected app and the Smartlink app with the TFT, the Nav6 and a Cardo Packtalk bold. I guess I'm having a bit of trouble getting the overview of functional benefits and how they would be used and in what order.... Would it be better to not even use the apps once you get the setup installed and working well together? Thanks for any advice...
Biggest thing I use the smart link for is live traffic and radar. The radar likely most of all. Sometimes the traffic can be annoying because it can reroute your when it’s not necessary but it has saved me a few times. If it says there is a huge delay I may pull up Waze and double check it. Most of the time it’s right but it does have odd results at times.
Hey David, so glad you made this video on pairing up the Packtalk. I used your previous video on the Sena as a guide for the correct pairing sequence for my Packtalk. It actually worked very well. The only thing I did differently was to secondarily pair the headset to the Nav6 using the roller. I also found that the bike had to be off in order for the Packtalk to pair with the GPS. Frustrating but finally figured that out. All in all I like the Packtalk a lot. It works very well with the BMW TFT / Nav6 systems
Hi Dave - about ready to pick up my 2020 GS with the NAV 6. About ready to order a PackTalk. Just want to understand what is eliminated from use with this hook up. I have an iPhone 6 (I know I am a little behind the power curve ). How do answer and make calls and pick out music to play? In the other replies, you indicate no voice commands with Hey Cardo / Hey Siri. Is does everything need to be done through the wheel ?
Make a personal group on your phone and put your primary contacts in that group. Once you have paired the phone go into the Bluetooth section on your phone under the pairing to the tft and set it to only share the personal group not the whole address book. This solves the favorites from not coming over (which still chaps me the fact that doesn’t work) leaving you with easy access to those contacts you really need.
one more question: Do you know when you are planning a trip via BMW connected app ig you can you have the trip on your NAV 6 and not on the TFT
Laurent Amat there are some really great things changing with the tft and how it displays data from the connected app. I truly believe Bmw is planning for a day when the Garmin will no longer be necessary. Since I have the nav6 I typically use it but I can see how saving 1k would be possible and still feel as if you have decent navigation at this point.
I’m looking for some advice on the proper pairing and connection sequence between the Packtalk, BMW TFT and phone. My current pairing process/sequence:
1. Pair the phone to the TFT.
2. Pair the TFT (helmet #1) to Cardo Packtalk BT #1
3. Pair phone to Cardo Packtalk BT #2
Step #3 is theoretically unnecessary because the BMW should broker the connections and commands across from the Packtalk to the phone, but the Cardo app doesn’t connect without #3. It works for some things (phone calls), but not others. For example, “Hey Google, what is the temperature?” works if the bike is off and it goes through connection #3, but only shows the results of the question on the phone screen without voice if the bike is on. It fails to forward the voice response back to the Cardo.
And there are other problems. Among other things, I want to record the Bluetooth feed from the Packtalk (both personal and intercom voice) on the phone. This works while I have the Packtalk connected to the phone, but it disappears when I start the bike whereupon it takes over the Bluetooth connection and fails to forward the Packtalk Bluetooth audio to the phone recorder app.
I could just delete the phone-TFT pairing to allow only the working Packtalk-phone pairing, but this eliminates not only the Nav/Phone/Music TFT control, but more importantly also eliminates the data feed to the Motorrad Connected phone app.
Cardo support gave zero help and so I'm hoping someone has a good solution.
Hey, have you found any solution for that? I’ve got the same issue 😤
Hi, I was wondering if your bike was painted like that or is it a wrapping, and where can I buy something similar, thank you, your bike is beautifull.
Thank you. It’s a body wrap that I designed with help of PrinTree out of chattanooga. Unfortunately they don’t do motorcycles anymore due to the difficulty of doing it
Thanks for the great video. I have Packtalk connected to TFT and a droid phone, don't have NAV. Works well (calls, music) just that I can't get the Google personal assistant ("Ok Google") to work for me. Actually can't even activate Cardo by voice. If I disconnect TFT and just pair cardo with my phone, I get voice activation back again. Any ideas on how to get all these benefits while still connected to TFT?
Unfortunately connected the way it is designed you lose that functionality at this time. Same goes for Siri on iPhones. Some have been able to pair the cardo to the phone and the tft and the phone to the tft and it work and in that config there is direct connection to the phone from the cardo allowing for hey google to work. Other issues may result however as it can technically create a loop causing issues.
@@aMAYSingLife thanks again, this is very helpful info!
Very informational video - however when not having the Cardo paired to the phone you can't use the app or SIRI correct?
That’s correct… so you have to decide that trade off and whether it is worth having the nav connected .. you can use the phone in slot 2 and it should still work and you would have Siri but you won’t get turn by turn.. that’s really all you give up.. the smart link app can still work.. so you still pair the nav to the phone just not also to the helmet
@@aMAYSingLife I don’t really care about turn by turn, however when doing the phone 2 - Siri is really quite staticy.
@@mattmor3622 try swapping it and see if that helps. Phone 1 for phone and tft on 2
@@aMAYSingLife funny- I tried that as well. Apparently anytime Cardo is connected to 2 phones it screws with Siri
i can paired with TFT, but the multifunction wheel cannot control the volume of the cardo, any advice ? thankyou very much ^^
Do you mean the multifunction wheel on the bike or the cardo. The volume is only controlled by the cardo wheel but also you must insure the volume on the phone is all the way up. Phone volume can not be controlled by anything other than itself. I always make sure it’s set to full and then I modify on the cardo where I want it from there
Great video. I just got the Cardo Packtalk Slim and a BMW F750GS and have been having a hell of time getting things to work together. How would you set this up if there was NO navigation unit involved? TFT (Helmet 1) to Cardo (CH1), then Phone to TFT or Phone to Cardo (CH2)? And how would the setup change if I bought the Garmin XT vs the BMW Nav6?
If no nav unit I would have the phone in phone slot 1 on the Cardo and the TFT in slot 2. If XT was involved I would have it as GPS slot and insure no music was setup to go through it. should still get gps voice come through but no music. Phone would not be in phone slot 2 - you can try it but I really think you only have 2 slots and you can choose if you want it as a gps or a phone. phone gives music control, gps does not.
@@aMAYSingLife Thank you! I finally got it working. I'm even able to get Amazon Music HD to show the song title and artist on the TFT display.
I'm actually having a problem now. Phone in Cardo slot 1, TFT (Helmet 1) in Cardo slot 2, and Phone connected to TFT (Phone). Music is constantly stopping and starting every couple of seconds. And the sound cuts in and out on phone calls as well. Have I done something wrong?
Will sound crazy but reboot the phone. That solved it for me. If it continues, swap the pairing so the phone is slot 2 and tft is 1. See if that helps.
@@aMAYSingLife Thank you. One of the things that I have noticed is that the audio skipping is worse when the phone is mounted close to the TFT. In my case, it's mounted to the Navigation relocation bar right above the TFT. But when I put my phone in my pocket, the skipping is greatly improved, though still not perfect. Also, my dealer says I have the latest update for the F750GS, but my Firmware version is 001_018_040.
Are you able to control Pandora through the music on the bikes dash or just your music library?
Unfortunately there is no tft control of pandora... that would require Apple CarPlay or the android equivalent to do that.. love that capability in my jeep.. wish it were on the bike
@@aMAYSingLife Would be a great feature to be added in the future, im sure BMW will add it to the bikes eventually.
I just got a new 21 gs with the nav 6 system. Do you know if I can run this setup with the sena smh10?
We have not had any success getting it to work with that model. I believe it is just too old to be fully compatible without issues.
Hi Dave, I am not certain but I think I may have paired the packtalk with pairing 1 to sat nav and pairing 2 to TFT will that make any difference
Graham Lewis I have found that the music tends to be controlled better from the phone 1 but depending on how you access your music or specifically how much music you have (I have a lot and the nav takes a long time to pull it down) it may not matter. Test your use and if no issues , don’t worry about it.
@@aMAYSingLife thanks Dave seemed to work well, so will leave it till something odd happens. I did get a bit of the GPS disconnecting then re connecting at the end of the ride, odd as I am sure it said disconnected but still got the audio instructions from the GPS. anyway way better sound from my old packtalk than the issues with the SC1. Thnaks for your help and support for fellow riders
Great vid. Cannot get Media on Nav 6 with Cardo paired to Phone 2. IPhone 8 - works fine thru TFT but Nav Media says “not connected” - thoughts?
Thanks Doug
Hi Dave,
Great video. What firmware did your PTB have?
Cardo have changed what you can and can't do with each firmware update.
I have a 2014 1200GSW with a Nav V gps. I had a Sena for past 8 years and always paired my Sena to Nav V and Iphone to Nav V.
I was able to use the GPS as a HUB for Sena and Iphone. I could get and make calls with IPhone, use the Garmin Smark LInk for traffic info and listen to music on my SD card in my Nav V.
Just bought a Cardo PTB with new firmware 5.7. I cannot use my Nav V as a HUB for Iphone and Cardo PTB.
Contacted Cardo Support and got this response..
"Our headquarters said the it will not work using the GPS as a hub. They said you will need to pair your phone to channel 1 and your GPS as channel 2. They said that is how our units are designed to work. "
I think is it very presumptuous of Cardo to think that every rider wants to use a cell phone when riding, although I realize that many use theirs cell phones to navigate now.
I guess that's ok if you only ride in your own country.
I can now only listen to music from my Iphone and am unable to use Garmin Smart Link App for Traffic info.
I'm a Canadian who does 99% of my riding in the US (except for past year :-( ) and I won't use my Iphone (put it in Airplane mode) in the US because it is absurdly riduculous what our cellphone companies charge for us to roam in the US.
I have a ton of music in my Nav V that I can't listen to .
David, do you know of a "workaround" where I can use the Nav V as a HUB and can Pair my Iphone to Nav V and PTD to Nav V?
Sorry for the long rant.
Hmmm.. hard to say at this point because it was a loaner for the rest and I didn’t get to keep it unfortunately. I can say prior to taking it to the latest firmware nothing worked properly and I about scratched the idea of taking it on the extended trip. After updating however all worked well.
Since you don’t have a tft then I would pair it like this. Phone paired to gps. Phone paired directly to cardo just as they stated, slot 1 for phone, gps or phone 2 slot (this will allow you to control phone calls with wonderwheel) for gps. Pair gps to phone. This lets you use the smart link app (although it was limited with the V compared to the VI. It will also allow you to play music on the sd card on the V. By them both being paired as phones phone 1 will over take phone 2 which is likely what you want. If you are listening to music with the nav and you get a phone call it will overtake. It’s true the V can’t be a hub in the same way the VI can. It doesn’t allow streaming music from the phone to go through the gps to the cardo. That is likely what they were thinking of when stating hub because that is the purpose most do that for.
Recap
Cardo paired to both phone (phone 1) and gps (phone 2).
Gps paired with phone - purely if you want phone calls to pop up on nav for accept or deny. And if you want smart link capability.
Hope that helps
I've tried all these and the the PTB goes out of whack when I activate music and the try to route. Music will play from Nav V until I navigate a route. Then music becomes a dull squelch.
Senas allowed me to pair like this but Cardos obviously have a different algorithm where you can't.
A per the message from Cardo .......Our headquarters said the it will not work using the GPS as a hub. They said you will need to pair your phone to channel 1 and your GPS as channel 2. They said that is how our units are designed to work.
I guess I'll have to live without the Garmin Smart Link App on my Nav V and listen to music from my Iphone.
Thankfully, I can listen to music from my Phone with it in Airplane mode when in the US.
Thanks for your input Dave
very nice video, but can you please help me out with someting!
I've got the Packtalk Slim, it's paired to my bike, (my bike is also paied to my phone) meaning the Cardo one has 1 connection point.
Now the thing is each time i play music, the music just cuts out or skippes seconds. This was not the thing when it was just the connection between my Phone and Cardo.
I've done manny things, non of them fixes this issue.. :(
Here are a few suggestions. 1. Firmware check on the cardo is always worth doing. This will require you to pair briefly the cardo to the phone, update firmware, then pair back to the bike. However, i believe you can do that on the computer too if you prefer. 2. Location of the phone. See if it makes a difference if you keep the phone close to the tft screen. 3. Does the slim version have a flip up antenna? I’ve not used the slim so not sure but I’d insure that is up. 4. Download a few songs on the phone (dont stream) and see if that makes a difference. Sorry for the delay in responding, I’m on a trip across US to Oregon and have had little service much of the time. Let me know if any of this helps.. Good Luck!
Great vid. Cannot get Media on Nav 6 with Cardo paired to Phone 2. IPhone 8 - works fine thru TFT but Nav Media says “not connected” - thoughts?
Thanks Doug
I hate to ask this, but is the cardo at the latest firmware rev? I had a lot of issues with the nav until i updated it.. if it is let me know and I’ll keep thinking, but need to wipe out that as a possible. If you haven’t updated it you will need to temporarily pair the phone directly to the cardo (do it to phone 2 without the bike on, use the cardo app to update it then repair phone two to nav).. let me know!!
@@aMAYSingLife
Thx. Yes Cardo is definitely the latest firmware. Other thoughts ? Bike is R1250RS 2021 model. Nav is Nav 6 - will check firmware on this tonite but am sure I have updated recently.
Thx for thoughtful reply
Cheers Doug
And you are trying to access media from your phone not from a Card in the nav? Make sure setting in media is set to iPod. This will make the phone act like an iPod to the nav. Other option would be to just access media from the tft and uncheck the media option on the nav if all else fails.
Thanks. Checked your suggestions. Then went back and checked all pairing as per one of your previous videos (the one with the Pears) - discovered phone not paired to Nav. Rookie error! Problem solved - phone, tft and Nav now all work in sync. Thanks for you great videos - they are excellent. I would never have worked any of this out by myself. Cheers from Down Under
“The Sena is water-resistant. It’s OK in light rain……If you fall in a ditch and it’s submerged, you’re going to have issues!” 🤣 I think you’re not going to be worried about your Sena, perhaps you might be worried about your head being submerged!🤣🤣🤣
Frustrating part about the Sena is I was in a pretty hard rain on road with a Sena and it just quit. I was using mapping voice directions because I was going through a city and due to rain it was hard to look at map . When I got through the shower I pulled over and dried out the Sena and it started working again. Cardo wouldn’t have had that issue.
Hello Dave. I have followed every step but i just can’t seem to get it working. I only have the tft, an iphone and a packtalk bold. I started everything fresh (all resets). Connected the phone to the tft and the cardo to the tft (no connection between the cardo and the phone). First time all worked ok. The next time i went for a ride i got the same issue i had with my old sena 20s evo. Music (spotify) cuts out every 2 seconds. Cardo is up to date, iphone is the latest os and tft is 001_019_180. Also, what i have noticed is that many times if in close the connected app music works ok. Any advice? Thanx
This is going to sound crazy but wipe them again to defaults then go somewhere not in your garage or near Tons of WiFi and try it again. This has happened to us even pairing headsets where it seems they get squeezed and as a result pick a channel that isn’t the greatest. It’s a bit of a long shot but worth a try. Seems like that tft firmware is quite old but can’t remember how old. There was a19 that was stable but a bunch were not. That would be my next move.
@@aMAYSingLife thank you very much. I’ll try it in next week as i’m in another city from where my bike is. Will post the results :).
Well i have tested everyting in the middle of nowere. I have tried with an android too but same thing happens. Music cuts out, sometimes i can take a 50 km ride without any problem, next thing it cuts out every two seconds. Will book it for a tft update next week. Hope that will sort things out.
Came back with the update. I have updated the software yesterday at the dealer. Now i have 022_007_020. Bluetooth is now stable, no more cutouts while playing music. Everything works :). Happy me :)
Hello friends, I have the pactalk bold model. My problem is that I can create groups in DMC mode. I can join groups, but I cannot start and end calls in groups. I reset the factory settings. I reinstalled the software but I couldn't solve it. Does anyone know the solution?
Why do you pair Nav as a second phone instead of a GPS?
The media is handled better if using as a phone rather than gps
una pregunta ojalá puedas ayudarme, puedes manejar los comandos de voz del cardo mientras esta conectado a la TFT ?
No when configured in this way the cardo voice commands don’t work
I'm still waiting on a response from Cardo reference Packtalk Bold issues with the TFT, all seem to stem from having the intercom in MESH mode, Cardo don't seem to want to deal with the issue.
Unfortunately I didn't have the cardo long enough to use it with someone who also had a cardo. most who I run with run Sena so I have to use the phone 2 slot to talk to them. As a test, dont connect the nav and see if Mesh runs solid. My guess is it will. That means its either a frequency over worked issue or a processor not handling the multiple streams very well. might at least let you troubleshoot and decide how bad do you need the nav or to talk to your mates.
Many thanks for this very instructive video. Much appreciated!!!
Quick question: should I not be willing to get any sound from NAV VI (neither turn by turn nor music), can I connect then to both TFT and mobile to access Cardo app at the same time? If yes, should TFT be paired as a mobile or a GPS? And guess that the mobile should be paired as a mobile...
Finally, would Cardo Packtalk voice control work with this setup?
Super thanks!
Eric (Belgium)
If ok with not using the nav for music or turn by turn then best config is phone slot 1 to phone and phone slot 2 to tft. This would allow voice access, app access, and still allow connected app to work with tft allowing nav and music. Still pair the nav to the phone so you get smart app from Garmin for traffic and weather.
@@aMAYSingLife Super thanks for your very clear answer!!!
@@aMAYSingLife Just connected my brand new Packtalk as you described but for an unknown reason if the Cardo is connected by BT at the same time to IPHONE and TFT music doesn't work. If I disconnect IPHONE from Cardo it works. Any clue why BT connection to both IPHONE and TFT at the same time doesn't work? Thanks!
Eric Boeckmans I’m assuming you updated the Packtalk firmware? I had a lot of issues with mine thinking it was going to be unusable until I updated it
Yes yes updated this morning to the last firmware
Hi, can you please tell me if the package of a new unit comes with some kind of seal?
I just received my packtalk duo today and didn’t find any seal on the outside box and none on the inside box, which I’m not sure if is a brand new one or just a return from someone else.
Thanks
I don’t believe there is a seal that would prevent it from being opened and closed back up. Registering the device would be the tell whether it had been activated for warranty. If all the manuals are there and you can register for a full warranty And it works properly I wouldn’t worry about it unless you suspect it’s older model sold as new. Did you get it from Amazon or something?
@@aMAYSingLife
Hi, thanks for your reply,
The model is a packtalk bold jbl duo (on the box) I don’t know how new or old is it, there are 3 pocket guide of different languages, an installation guide and the safety, compliance and warranty booklet, the units seem to look ok, but I found weird and stupid receiving a product of this price with 2 boxes but no seals on any of them that tells you that is a new product,
I got it from Amazon for the convenience of quick shipping and easy return if something is wrong.
I will test it, hope everything works ok, anything I should pay particular attention when testing?
Thanks a lot again,
@@frar.841 you pretty much have to update the firmware because they don’t come with the latest.. can’t update the firmware without registering the device. So that will tell a lot. You should be able to tell if it had ever been actually used if the sticky pads or mounting hardware seems used. If it works, I probably wouldn’t worry about it assuming warranty registration works ok
@@aMAYSingLife
Thanks again,
The pads and hardware seems to be new, but the firmware version is 5.1, which should be end of 2018 beginning 2019, that tells me that the units are from 2018, is that normal/right for a unit purchased today? I guess they are all the same except the firmware.
I tested the audio with radio, phone calls, music from my iPhone, and music from XMradio and other apps, GPS from iPhone and sounds very good except some static noises with phone calls, but I still have to test intercom, which I will do next, but don’t have any friends with DMC units to test the mesh, which I’m sure it works anyway
@@frar.841 as long as the actual model is correct it’s not uncommon for it to be old firmware. Even new bikes coming in are coming with old firmware. Just make sure the model is the current version. Not sure where to check that on the cardo
So, if I need to join a group of riders, or just add another rider (rider to rider), I should use the Packtalk App, then once riders have joined, forget the app?
You should be able to join the group by using the buttons and not use the app although the app makes it easier. That’s the difficult part that neither BMW nor cardo or Sena understand is to connect these things the way you need to you eliminate the ability to use the benefits of the app made for the headset. This is slightly bigger issue with cardo because their app is so damn useful but you don’t have to use it to connect to other riders. It can be done with the buttons
And I’m really sorry I missed your comment in my feed!! Just realized this was months ago!!
hi, I did all that step by step but the BMW screen does not show the phonebook or call record. However I see who is calling me and I can use the wonder wheal to Ans or reject the call but it does not show the call record. In simple words I cant access the phonebook therefore I cant call back. What seems to be wrong here? One more thing, It keeps showing in the phonebook that it is updating {forever} Pls HELP
If you have a really big address book, create a group just for your mobile needs… sync only that group. This will solve speed of update as well as will fix being able to see the contacts. Usually “recent” will show up even if the address book didn’t come over. Check recent for return calls. Finally I sure your phone is giving permissions of the address book to the tft. Android is notorious for this as the security is in a diff place than just Bluetooth settings if I recall.
My pillion has a non cardo. When paired with her and can no longer hear the sat nav
yes that sounds about right.. not sure there is a way to avoid that short of getting her a cardo
Fast forward to 8:22
Can the dmc intercom able to function whilst the nav is operating with Bluetooth?
I was unable to test the dmc while I had the unit for review because I didn't have another Cardo unit to test with. I'm told you can however you have to engage the dmc first before connecting everything to the bluetooth. I don't have confirm of that but thats what I have been told. if that is the case, what a pain. let me know what you find out.
Ok, I have phone working on the TFT, media on TFT and Nav 6 is telling me where to go. But the connectivity for DMC so I can communicate with husband and group is a non event. To do this I need to disconnect the Nav 6 totally then setup the Cardo Channel 1 AGAIN, through the TFT and the phone. This is really clumsy and not user friendly at all. Communication on the Bluetooth phone settings shows all three are connected but in reality they must be conflicting.
I think the only way we can make this work is to totally disconnect the bluetooth settings on the Nav 6. Use the Cardo link to TFT - turn the sound on for TFT Navigation as we have done in past and use the Nav 6 as a map only unit without the added functions. Very expensive unit with limited use :(
@@aMAYSingLife Thanks for that info, I did as you suggested and now we have DMC. So yes we connected the DMC after factory reset on the Cardo. Did the group setup. It will be interesting when we have to add people :|
Then went through the steps as outlined by your wonderful instructions and today we had DMC intercoms, the Nav 6 was giving out instructions, and the TFT was answering the calls by the wonder wheel. The voice for Cardo operations - well that is still a work in progress.
But the good news is that tomorrow in the middle of Melbourne on Wednesday we will be able to communicate and see the maps.
I must admit thanks to your instructions the whole kit and caboodle did not end up in the nearest lake on Saturday - this is really head spin stuff
@@karenbrock2379 glad I saved an insurance claim lol..
Never been to get my media to work thru my bmw qarmin V
Still cant call out using bmw media / iphone
I show 4 different bluetooth connections on my iphone bluetooth settings
Cardo edge
Cardo edge
6.1 tft
Bmw navigation
Garmin v can’t handle the media going through the tft… doesn’t have the horsepower to do it.. has to be the 6 or better
At least the Cardo lasts a rain storm unlike the Sena, my 30K stopped working and sena gave my the big go away.
Re the BMW TFT and Cardio just can only connect to the Dash or the iPhone not both at the same time, you have to make the dash connection the “hub” thus the app is useless after setup.
Yeah I had the same happen with my sena. I usually don’t mess with the settings on the cardo after it’s setup so not having access to the app hasn’t been a big deal. But I do get your frustration
I been following your steps
Wipe all connections
Pair tft to cardo phone pair 1
Pair garmin gps to cardo phone pair 2
Pair tft to iphone pairgarmin gps to iphone
When i try to make a call it dials 1 ring and hangs up why
Go in Garmin and turn off “phone” function as part of its feature set.. that should help.. sorry for delay. I was in Canada
I ultimately turned off media too because I had too much music for the Garmin to handle
Awesome! However, bmw is going backwards, my tft update will not connect to bmw app anymore!
12masterr you might actually need to delete the app and reboot the phone and redownload the app. Happened to me early on and that solved it.. hasn’t happened since.
@@aMAYSingLife did that already! When you reset app you have to download maps again, tjat is another pain, but even after that nothing works, deleted everything again, did step by step, and no dice, bmw app will not connect to the tft. My tft was updated 2 weeks ago !
12masterr does it find the phone and pair successfully but doesn’t connect to the app itself? Yes redownloading maps is a pain. Did u say u have iPhone or Android?
@@aMAYSingLife android note 9. Phone pairs to tft,no problem, but the bmw app will not record rides or do anything I even unistalled garmin smartlink, no dice.
12masterr there are settings on the android that are a bit buried that have to do with permissions. It’s separate from the Bluetooth part I think. Sorry, not an Android guru. My guess is the update made it see it as a new pair so the rights were lost giving the tft access to the phone. I was able to fix a guys at the dealership that was having that issue.
I have 2023 bmw r1250gsa
why don't you recommend connecting the navigator VI with "GPS"-cardo. You recommend connecting to "PHONE 2". What does it result from? You can connect TFT as phone 1, Navigator VI as GPS... and... the phone application Cardo with the phone 2 ;-)
It is hard for me to tell exactly why I did this but there was lost functionality when I did the gps method. I believe it removes the ability to answer the phone with the nav but it seemed to do something to the way music worked to. I should have taken better notes on that part. I had to give the unit back so I can’t test it now. If you end up configuring it that way please post her and let me know the differences. I would appreciate it.
@@aMAYSingLife as soon as it gets warmer i will test both ways of connection. Interesting ... I'll let you know
Want "Hey Cardo" "Hey Siri". Use a Bluetooth transmitter/receiver dongle to fool the TFT
Connect it this way:
Phone -> TFT (Mobile Device)
USB Dongle -> TFT (Rider's helmet)
Cardo -> Phone
*Don't pair your cardo with TFT
I have not tried that personally but could see how it could work. That would be a great video to see...
@@aMAYSingLife you can try it out if you have any spare Bluetooth earpods/speakers and connect it to the TFT.
By doing this you will be able to use the TFT to control music even though the cardo is not connected to the TFT
Just bought the pack an bold, waste of money as the volume and phone connection is poor
I had similar problems with the volume of my PacktalkBold until I moved the speakers so that they lined up directly with my ear canals. Now I can hear music, intercom conversations and phone calls clearly at 80mph. Check out your speaker positions, it might solve your problems. I’ve had no problems with the phone connection; I’m using a Samsung A5, it’s old but it works :-)
The TFT and navigation is truly a joke by BMW. Will I sell my bike? Of course not but I don’t understand why BMW with the TFT and Nav can’t be more user friendly. It really is trash. Now try pairing a headset. It’s all just so clunky that this man had to make a 17 min video on how to do it. It all should just work. It’s 2024 how in the hell can technology be so clunky? It truly blows my mind. Why do I even need a separate nav when BMW has a TFT? Seems crazy and no I’m not the first to say this. BMW needs to give up and just add Apple car play or android whichever. They can’t seem to get their own stuff to work properly so just give up. Give us Apple car play or droid and be done. It would make everyone’s lives soooooooo much easier!
its actually bizarre at this point that the new ones are still coming out not supporting CarPlay and Android Play... Stubborness believing they can do better is likely the cause..