I don't even have an ATV and I just watched this whole video! I love learning and this guy is freakin awesome. Definitely makes me not nervous to do this job myself now.
A woman who can sit and watch you rebuild a motor is a good woman. A woman who can sit quietly and watch you rebuild a motor is a great woman. Never let her go.
Well explained! About to be doing this myself to my 2017 with 150 miles on it after I sunk it and turned it into a fog machine then let it sit because I have a "CAN'T AM" but ready to get it back up.
Yeah, but he left out the stuff that takes the most time; Plastics and gas tank. He also didn't check ring gaps or measure piston/ cylinder wall clearances.
We did this on the trail 2 years ago. Buddy cracked a piston in his rubi and we couldn't pull him 20k thru the mud and up shale covered hills. We ran to Honda picked up a gasket set and ordered a niche 10-1 piston off amazon. Took us about 3 hrs to get done with limited supplies it ran better than new afterwards. Bike sat in the woods for 3 days before we had the parts together.
Question, when I put the valve cover on, it didn’t sit on there “nicely” I’m thinking one of the four studs backed it’s way out a little and is hitting the rocker.
I would never go to all the work of rebuilding a top end without checking ring gaps and piston/cylinder wall clearance. 10 minutes checking that shit could save you hours of doing it all over again. Also, rags are good to use, not just talk about. You just about had one of those dowel pins drop in the bottom. You were damn lucky.
Thanks for all your opinions lol when you install a new OEM jug with OEM rings and an OEM piston eyeballing the rings is good enough I've done dozens way more than you I'm sure
@@MudPuppyOffroad Typical answer from Christian the arrogant prick. You really are full of yourself aren't you? Honda can have a fuck up just as easy as anybody else. Also, they don't make their rings. Somebody else does. They can be out of spec. So why not check them? Takes 10 minutes.
@@MudPuppyOffroad Yeah, if you don't count taking all the plastic off and the gas tank and the exhaust. Since you can't do a top end without removing that shit, it gets added into the total time.
I do check rings whenever building something with tight tolerances that it matters like my 450 for instance. Even then it doesn't take me 10 minutes more like 30 seconds... but then again I'm a genius so I understand why it takes you so long
Got a question, first off love your videos…in this video every thing was described perfectly. However after rebuild new oil and coolant…after 30 min of. Riding the atv started over heating…seems my reservoir is filling up but not returning to radiator. Water pump? Clogged return?? Not sure.
It could just be air trapped in the system. these ATVs usually bleed themselves but you can check by removing the hose on the top of the thermostat housing and see if you get any air pushed out
This may sound like a stupid question but how do you know if you're getting low compression and is it a very noticeable loss in power and other than loss of power are there any other signs??
@@MudPuppyOffroad what’s your reason for not really ever getting into the Polaris world? I know you have owned a few I believe but you usually stick with Honda’s.
I torqued everything down right , why is coolant leaking out my head gasket and ig getting in the cylinder and making it smoke any idea ? Yes the coolant is getting in the oil
@mudpuppy help!! I have a 500 rubicon that has been sunk multiple times and smokes like a train do I spend the $ on a oem kit or go with a cheaper aftermarket being that it’s just a old ragger
Would you be interested in helping me or showing me how to rebuild my 2014 Rancher need a full motor rebuild I’m buying the parts I’m 14 and looking to learn??
@@MudPuppyOffroad Yamaha seems to have one of the best belt set-ups. I agree though that they seem geared a little high for big tires. I see a Brute Force in some of your videos. How are they sealed up for the deep stuff?
So did you ever find out if the oem 520 cylinder fits the 2017? Ive got the 500fm1 foot shift straight axle And would like to do the top end also does the new head differ from the 2017?
Well the main thing that will get water in the oil is the crankcase vent, so make sure it’s ran into your airbox, also look up crankcase breather mod, it’s by project ajax on TH-cam
@@MudPuppyOffroad thanks , I was on my 06 Foreman 500 going up a small hill on the Hatfield and McCoy trail here WV on Wednesday at the end if our ride it started losing power and it was making a noise in the top end then it finally died . I think it dropped a valve haven't had time to check yet .
Yes those are an extremely brutal tire They are hard and might as well be square They will break all kinds of stuff and are hard to turn They do pull amazing in clay though
When I put my top end on, I messed up by putting the piston on the crank before the jug... and that was the biggest pain in the ass I’ve ever experienced
I don’t stand as Advanced Honda/Acura engines are with there VTEC and J series V6 SOHC engines. Why still use OHV push rod engines. On there Powersports. Use SOHC engines like how Yamaha does.
I’m not even rebuilding my top end I just enjoy your videos
I don't even have an ATV and I just watched this whole video! I love learning and this guy is freakin awesome. Definitely makes me not nervous to do this job myself now.
A woman who can sit and watch you rebuild a motor is a good woman. A woman who can sit quietly and watch you rebuild a motor is a great woman. Never let her go.
She could have grabbed the damn camera and helped him out. The part he was obviously struggling to video and work
Or a woman that’ll actually help rebuild said motor now that’s a keeper
Well explained! About to be doing this myself to my 2017 with 150 miles on it after I sunk it and turned it into a fog machine then let it sit because I have a "CAN'T AM" but ready to get it back up.
This man just rebuilt a top end in under 50 minutes darn tootin
I have done one in 23min (wasn't my best work)
ever time i do it it takes 45 min and i’m (15)
Yeah, but he left out the stuff that takes the most time; Plastics and gas tank.
He also didn't check ring gaps or measure piston/ cylinder wall clearances.
And he is wearing flip flops...
@@probablyonahonda im 12 and done one in 12 mins loser
We did this on the trail 2 years ago. Buddy cracked a piston in his rubi and we couldn't pull him 20k thru the mud and up shale covered hills.
We ran to Honda picked up a gasket set and ordered a niche 10-1 piston off amazon. Took us about 3 hrs to get done with limited supplies it ran better than new afterwards. Bike sat in the woods for 3 days before we had the parts together.
Your really good at this. Great demonstration
I learned from mud puppy on the top end rebuild now I do my own atv even the valve adjustments thanks to mud puppy
I dont even own a Honda but I just watched the entire video lmao
HELL YEA A 50 MINUTE VIDEO HELL YEA MUD PUPPY THANK YOU
14:35 your heart had to skip a beat mine did 😂
EaZier Clutch Yep. Mine did.
28:21...Fill cap up with vasoline and screw on. Any kind of sealant will be good as new when you want to use again.
Question, when I put the valve cover on, it didn’t sit on there “nicely” I’m thinking one of the four studs backed it’s way out a little and is hitting the rocker.
I suspect Your engine isnt at tdc. So youre trying to open a valve by putting the cover on.
Someone been watching zip ties n bias plies lol
Way too much lol
Haha that dudes funny as hell
Mud Puppy can you please tell me if this is the same process on a 2018?
@@mississippimudslutscrew9742 yup
You could use Silicone spray on the rubber exhaust mounts when removeing and and installing.
The 5 people who disliked it didn’t wanna do shit so they send the damn motor out just to do a simple 1 and half hour work😂.
Came out at the perfect time, doing first rebuild of mine Monday. Worried about the ring gap and haven’t been able to find the diagram online
Download a $5 manual It will save you a headache
I would never go to all the work of rebuilding a top end without checking ring gaps and piston/cylinder wall clearance. 10 minutes checking that shit could save you hours of doing it all over again.
Also, rags are good to use, not just talk about. You just about had one of those dowel pins drop in the bottom. You were damn lucky.
Thanks for all your opinions lol when you install a new OEM jug with OEM rings and an OEM piston eyeballing the rings is good enough I've done dozens way more than you I'm sure
Also if you watch the video closely you can see that I can rebuild a Honda top end in under an hour lol
@@MudPuppyOffroad Typical answer from Christian the arrogant prick. You really are full of yourself aren't you? Honda can have a fuck up just as easy as anybody else. Also, they don't make their rings. Somebody else does. They can be out of spec. So why not check them? Takes 10 minutes.
@@MudPuppyOffroad Yeah, if you don't count taking all the plastic off and the gas tank and the exhaust. Since you can't do a top end without removing that shit, it gets added into the total time.
I do check rings whenever building something with tight tolerances that it matters like my 450 for instance. Even then it doesn't take me 10 minutes more like 30 seconds... but then again I'm a genius so I understand why it takes you so long
Got a question, first off love your videos…in this video every thing was described perfectly. However after rebuild new oil and coolant…after 30 min of. Riding the atv started over heating…seems my reservoir is filling up but not returning to radiator. Water pump? Clogged return?? Not sure.
It could just be air trapped in the system. these ATVs usually bleed themselves but you can check by removing the hose on the top of the thermostat housing and see if you get any air pushed out
If your Reservoir is filling up and not returning that usually means you need a new radiator cap but that's pretty rare on these
Obviously make sure your radiator is very clean
Dude has more peanut butter than I have ever eaten in my life
i learn so much from this channel
This may sound like a stupid question but how do you know if you're getting low compression and is it a very noticeable loss in power and other than loss of power are there any other signs??
Smoke is a good sign of it and the sound of the engine will change when its spinning over also.
@@daltonfrith7685 Thanks, is it like a ticking when its spinning over?
chase_224 it’s a slow start almost sounds like your starter is going bad
You'll just notice an over all loss of pep and perkiness
I had to cut my 350d piston in half to get it off the ristpin sezed up on her
Came out with an impact it’ll go in with an impact 😂😂 should put that shit on a shirt
Finna build mine gonna watch whole video again while doing it 🤣
How would you compare rebuilding a Honda over a Can-Am or Polaris?
I mean it depends on the Honda these are extremely simple because they're pushrod unlike anything else in the market right now
@@MudPuppyOffroad what’s your reason for not really ever getting into the Polaris world? I know you have owned a few I believe but you usually stick with Honda’s.
Great video man!
I torqued everything down right , why is coolant leaking out my head gasket and ig getting in the cylinder and making it smoke any idea ? Yes the coolant is getting in the oil
I just did mine and I’m getting no compression I didn’t I just my valves could that be the problem????
I bet those water cycles require top in regularly👍📽
Wayne c Menard rebel rider yea when you swamp it back to back to back
@mudpuppy help!! I have a 500 rubicon that has been sunk multiple times and smokes like a train do I spend the $ on a oem kit or go with a cheaper aftermarket being that it’s just a old ragger
Aftermarket for sure. Hope your connecting Rod is okay
@@MudPuppyOffroad ty sir and me too lol
whenever i pull my jug and valvues i get ALOT of coolant coming out. how do i prevent that?
Would you be interested in helping me or showing me how to rebuild my 2014 Rancher need a full motor rebuild I’m buying the parts I’m 14 and looking to learn??
This video is all you need... Exact same process
@@MudPuppyOffroad I am putting a new bottom end in as well
So I take it you prefer Honda ATV's for mudding? What is your opinion on the Yamaha's?
Have belts greared high, loved my bbig bear though
@@MudPuppyOffroad Yamaha seems to have one of the best belt set-ups. I agree though that they seem geared a little high for big tires. I see a Brute Force in some of your videos. How are they sealed up for the deep stuff?
So did you ever find out if the oem 520 cylinder fits the 2017?
Ive got the 500fm1 foot shift straight axle
And would like to do the top end also does the new head differ from the 2017?
Great question for the patreon page!
Where is the timing chain? Did I miss it being removed? I’ve never seen top ends rebuilt on utility quads so please forgive my negligence
It does push rods... It's not overhead cam
Mud Puppy oh okay thanks
how often do people say you sound like Kyle from 1320Video.? lol
I know mud puppy this is a dumb question but how do u keep water out of the oil and I’ve binged watch all your vids hoping to get a four wheeler soon
Well the main thing that will get water in the oil is the crankcase vent, so make sure it’s ran into your airbox, also look up crankcase breather mod, it’s by project ajax on TH-cam
New sub awesome video,. What was the problem ? To warrant a new top end ? Thanks
Got sunk a few times rings were shot cylinder was scraped up
@@MudPuppyOffroad thanks , I was on my 06 Foreman 500 going up a small hill on the Hatfield and McCoy trail here WV on Wednesday at the end if our ride it started losing power and it was making a noise in the top end then it finally died . I think it dropped a valve haven't had time to check yet .
Maybe you have a video on it but what’s the best programmer to make sure everything runs right? I will be doing this on my 420
Do you know if you can install a 520 jug and piston on one of these 500s?
Not without grinding the case
Mud Puppy do you know if it is worth grinding the case?
So great to have a manual but what about the people who don’t
There is no excuse for not having a manual you can download you can download one for $5
Not worried about a hydro locked/bent rod?
Extremely rare on a single cylinder engine
Hey sr I have a question I have a 2017 Honda 500 do you think the piston set for a 420 will work on my Honda?
I have no idea nor do I know why you would want to go to a smaller piston
Is a top end rebuild on a 2006 rubicon pretty much the same? I can't find anything on 05-14.
Nope very different
Just bought a 2020 foot shift rubicon , do you think I’ll have a problem turning 28x9.5x14 outlaw 2’s?
Yes those are an extremely brutal tire They are hard and might as well be square They will break all kinds of stuff and are hard to turn They do pull amazing in clay though
So the OG outlaw will be better?
I have a question about my honda 500 218. It keeps getting water in the air box and and I don't know if there is any popular issue with them doing it.
@Zaceri Barkhouse Put the 420 IRS rancher airbox in it with OMG airbox gasket
How much you charge for a job like this 2005 Honda Forman 500
Where can I find that service guide you are using for the ring set? Trying to rebuild I 17 rubicon
Just Google 2017 Rubicon manual there's a bunch of PDFs out there you can buy for a few bucks
Also is that a page from the Factory service manual?
Yep
How do you know all this shit. U have skills
It will start smoking if u don’t clean the crank cases which I’m sure u did
My rings are catching onto the cylinder and it’s not allowing me to push the piston I to the cylinder
Might need to file the rings
Is this the same general idea on an 02-04 500 Fa-a
No
I threw the ring into the cylinder to check the gap and it’s damn near touching
That's not great, some people file them
@@MudPuppyOffroad yea I had to order the tool to do it
@@Bt2tymz I've had a few Honda cylinders come in off lately, aftermarket has been better LOL
@@MudPuppyOffroad crazy too me cause I spent $620 for my oem kit thinking everything would be perfect
the best rebuild video ever. “literally the slowest atv in existence, it’s not a top fuel dragster.” LOL
By chance can you post all the part numbers?
When I put my top end on, I messed up by putting the piston on the crank before the jug... and that was the biggest pain in the ass I’ve ever experienced
SwiFtProductions man I had the same problem lol
Thinking about the same for a pioneer 500 ?
Yep!
Hell yeah love your videos man gonna rebuild mine next weekend.
How many topends before the bottomend needs replacing
Depends how much water's been in the oil
Where can I get a 35% gear reduction for a rancher 420
A lot of people sell the 35 and a 40% reduction boss has the easiest website
How many hours did it take
3
Is there any way you still have the part numbers
partzilla is your friend
How to I know I’m at top dead center
I don’t stand as Advanced Honda/Acura engines are with there VTEC and J series V6 SOHC engines. Why still use OHV push rod engines. On there Powersports. Use SOHC engines like how Yamaha does.
16:08 where can I find that paper ?
Oem manual for ring stagger
Service manual not owners manual
I have the same working table Lol
I took all the body part off before watching this video 😐
You got to pay to play
Couldn't see half of what u were doin... Just like you're valve adjustment video..... Angle your camera down a hair..!!??????!???
First
Love u mudpuppy
what happens if a guy got that piston in backwards.. ?? intake is not to the intake side
Great question for the patreon page :-)
@@MudPuppyOffroad .. lol ok
My oil ring won’t sit all the way in. Is that normal?
Obviously it's hard to say without seeing a picture but it sounds like it might be normal