Best cuisine would be high elves, Turin! High elves can be physically repelled by non-artistic or poorly made food, their senses are so sensitive in some ways. It's why they fall to Slaanesh a lot.
I love Felkon, he always keeps it meme-y fresh - and that's what makes this TW so fun to watch, even if I low-key hate playing it sometimes (if I never see another burning head in this life it'll still be too soon). ed: yo, it looks like like meat's back off the menu boys, ya love to see it.
@Liam Clifforth Sorry I misread your comment, thought you were saying turin thinks he is not bad. As for whether he is better I don't even play MP so I haven't really a clue.
@@yatharthvats4902 Tomb Kings traded in lore of vampires for range and mediocre lores of magic :/ Their faction is one of my favorites, but lore of fire just destroys them. Maybe that's why TK is sometimes considered a counter to Skaven - the rats don't get lore of fire.
Its not the spell, it's the unit sizes, they all have lower HP, because the rules are set for large unit sizes not ultra, and that's why every spell seems so devastating, Burning Head is fine, when playing on ultra, I never feel like it really does much. But yeah I agree, it is getting boring to see the same stuff all the time.
Tretch should get this passive: every time he breaks a progressively worse unit spawns at the point of his break. SV w/halberds first time SV the second time, and then Clan Rats with spears for the third and final time Edit:meme suggestion
Yo Hadres' micro in that battle against Brettonia/Alrik was absolutely lit. Every single time Brettonia maneuvered Hadres' infantry were right there to head them off. Incredible defensive play!
with game 3 we are going to have 6 new base factions, 1 chaos undivided(which i count it as a separate faction than warriors of chaos) and 1 pre order faction. adding that to 15 races that we have now, there will be about 506 different Mach ups. (not counting mirror matches)
@@fattyknight6760 Is Chaos undivided confirmed? With 22/23 races I don't know how we will have neat brackets, unless we get a ton of sub factions like Calendor.
@@Draffut2003 sorry by every one i mean content creators. they all talk about be'lakor as 9th legendary lord and he is always a chaos undivided character
@@JL3339 It's not mean to mention the obvious anti-climax your being unnecessarily defensive. Ice should have had more respect for the tournament, contesters, its host and everybody watching. Its just Bad sportsmanship.
@@justintung7981 at this rate people are going to be more triggered by greenskins than undead factions. It didn't take this long for the deck dropper nerf to land.
problem is that imho GS units are pretty balanced on their own, they just have a loot of versatility and are strong in many/almost all areas so that is kinf of hard to balance
@@jacobtorti2673 There is no reason for Greenskins to be the best skirmish faction in the game. They were a top tier faction all throughout WH2 despite having very mediocre lords, always carried by spider rider spam.
Just imagine domination game mode when Greenskinz pushing you into the corner with endless cheap spider riders while scoring all objectives and winning even faster
Also I got a lot of questions about the soulstealer at 3:11:10. I used it because regardless of whether it hits things, morathi will still get her heals. She had just been targeted by another GS sniping spell so i wanted to ensure she stayed alive. It wasnt a misclick, but the snipe spell didnt land properly so it looks like it was unncessary in the end.
Does soulstealer heal the same about regardless of how many units it hits? I always thought that it healed based on how much damage you were able to do with it. Great job in the tourney btw! I think that's the furthest the DE have ever gotten.
I really felt the pain of IcePower during the last game. Whatever you do GS just outvalue you. Best sniping with snare, slows, spirit leech, and vindictive cancer spam -check. Best Skirmish cavalry, best cavalry archers - check Best regenerating super durable mass to block charges and to butcher everything -check Best frontline, with superefficient lawnmowers and unbreakable fanatics with poison -check Best faction wide buff -check Dark Elves never had a chance when facing an opponent of equal skill. You never have an advantage, they just spam skirmish cavalry and dominate the mobile game so that you can never chase the routing units and that pretty much nullifies the only disadvantage of GS, their, lower than standard, leadership. Hope that next faction war we are gonna see some other faction winning not the standard GS/VCoast/Skaven trio...
@@icepowertw6205 Yeah, a tough pill to swallow when you are at a severe mathematical disadvantage just because you are playing your favorite faction...
@@yatharthvats4902 dwarf game. Fanatic archers used almost all of their ammo, shot several fanatics each and barely got their value back. And they come on a very squishy unit. They are quite strong but are far from broken.
This tournament must take a lot of effort and organisation. Thanks a lot man, really appreciate your videos. Great presentation, commentary and knowledge from you.
Updated time stamps incoming. 9:45 first battle begins 25:24 second massacre starts 45:23 third conquest begins 54:06 fourth fight commencing 1:07:02 fifth battle awaiting 1:21:58 sixth faction war starts 1:31:17 seventh blood bath begins 1:45:52 eighth wave of destruction 1:56:00 ninth battle takes place 2:06:48 tenth wave of metal moves 2:20:18 something is happening 2:29:46 12th army clashes 2:43:49 13th charge sounded 2:52:42 14th judgment past 3:05:36 the champions meet I love you.
i honestly felt that he just had enough of the crap spell mechanics.i mean if you slip for one second that enemy can deal 4k damage in 15sec.losing your hero will in most cases cost you a game .DOES NOT MATTER if you have any kind of army left or not, just check the balance bar in final game 1. this should be about the contest of armies and not about dodging vindictive glares from double casters all game long..
If you look carefully, his whole front line had routed and his missile units had been engaged in melee because he had accidentally moved them to just behind his front line. This was about what happened to his army. Sometimes the player can see quicker than the caster because he has a better overview and all the unit icons. It was a bit early, but he was at a big disadvantage.
@@roberthorvath9371 the vast majority of the damage came from archers, not vindictive glare. If you watch the video, the glares only do a few hundred damage each. And the glares in early game were targeting manticores, not morathi. It was simply an overextension to get in range of effagee and the archers at the same time.
Yeah see satsuma understands. 5/95 matchup against a better player, I waste all my winds of magic, manticore lord is half hp, darkshards are sent into melee cos I'm stupid. Was never gonna be a win after that cos he'd had 10000 more casts to snipe my terror. I know it was already lost so there was no point wasting everyone's time.
The general issue is that Tomb Kings infantry has low armor and high model counts. Grave Guard have the same hp and model count, but with 40 extra armor and access to invocation of Nehek/mortis engine healing. Saurus Warriors are around the same tier, but with lower model counts/higher hp per model and better leadership, by comparison, they don't get completely destroyed by the spell. They also have access to lore of life. Tomb Kings *do* get the realm of souls, but it heals about as much as an earthblood each time and requires the death of a large part of your army before it becomes active. It almost certainly doesn't offset the healing from the vampire counts, let alone the damage mitigation of their extra armor.
@@SleepyFen Grave Guard also have thick weapon strength so while they’ve got weak combat stats they can still trade effectively against most infantry. Tomb Kings Skeletons just fall over, and Tomb Guard are just not worth the price.
@@Krane2000 Grave Guard have good armor piercing damage, if that's what you mean. But I feel like that's a different discussion. The primary issue with Tomb Kings is that all of their infantry gets pretty much one-shot by Burning Head with no real way of mitigating the damage outside of having lightning reflexes, since 28 speed makes it nearly impossible to dodge.
Hey @Turin isn’t Bretonnia missing their Bertrand the Brigand and the Bowmen of Bergerac? I’d love to have him as a bowmen-centric lord! Hope he goes Robin Hood against those snooty nobles 😛
Awesome tournament format, thanks! It's a little sad to see the unbalancing of the factions that was always present on the tabletop creep into the total war version of warhammer. Everytime a new Army Book was released the balance for that faction would be thrown off, usually to make it much better than before to help sell the book and the new models. I wish ca made more of an effort toactually balance the factions as well as possible, as well as buffing and nerfing the various options for each army as needed. So right now we have OP greenskins because the last DLC for them added some ridiculously good things. In addition to the fact that their skirmishers and archers are just way too good. In the lore, greenskin dakka is supposed to be super inaccurate except for the guided missiles of the doom diver. And okay yes goblins are supposed to have better aim but they can't draw anything stronger than a tiny shortbow so they should have low damage and almost no AP.
To be fair, goblins already have pretty short range and low AP. I think it has more to do with how ranged damage is applied. Always one damage more arrow and they just bring so many.
Palestine vs Hadres was such a shame, but entirely accurate to Skaven! The mortar team pummelled into the backs of the Skaven slaves without hitting the ungors and it let the Beastmen into the cookie jar so much faster than it should have.
Lol. Nameless played my exact Vampire build vs Dwarfs. Down to the unit. Maybe a coincidence but i dont think so. Either way he made some huuge mistakes in the game. Moreover he forgot to bring pans pelt which is one of the reasons you bring the necrarch in the first place. You want to stack it with dark protection and get up to 69% resistance against Dwarfen missiles.
It's baffling how the most oppressive aspect of greenskins play is their skirmish cavalry. It is ridiculous that they can out-skirmish an army that has fully committed to skirmish. They really do not get properly taxed for having smaller hitboxes and more armor than any other skirmish cavalry in the game.
Funnily enough, Greenskin skirmish cav used to be cheaper/stronger than it is right now. For several years, until it took a nerf quite recently. And it was never an issue, and it wasn't even that popular. Because it doesn't actually win games on its own. What it does mostly is provide fast mass and insurance against your opponent kiting you. GS foot archers are unable to provide that kite insurance due to their low range, and GS cav are too specialist to provide mass efficiently.
Long time fan of the channel man, keep up the great work. Loving the Mullet memes, ironically enough I finally cut my hair into one recently. Couldn't do it for a long time while I was in the army but now, Mullets for the mullet god!
What I usually do when I'm working is set up a message replier to phone calls and then set my phone to vibrate only. that way when somebody calls me when I'm busy I can just tap my phone to send them an automated reply, convenient feature. What about the games and the casting? well I'm new to warhammer so there are many unit names and spells that I hardly recognize but man oh man how entertaining it is to see a medieval epic fantasy chess of iron, blood, magic, and orc heads flying around.
Btw Turin, have you considered running some of these as no Legendary Lords tournaments? I feel this might shake things up and make for a very interesting tournament or two.
Grombrindal just threw the moment he saw the Greenskin army. Grombrindals army was a chariot killer. It had no chance against a greenskin ranged army. These weren't mistakes. This was an instant gg by grombrindal
Hey, great video! One amateur question: I notice that these armies don't use as many monsters as I usually see in armies -- is that some high level strategy?
It'll likely get one in the new game coming this year. ATM no, though, the competitive scene is mostly community run. It's def alive though, most people just play singleplayer. 42k average playing on Steam charts.
@@ViciousSatsuma Well of course each unit has pros and cons, when you weigh lions vs your other high mobility options though, thats the cheapest one that cant get fear routed and it has armor piercing to boot, and beats their low tier high mobility chaff in a 1 on 1 so it's harder for them to screen for it
after the last game, when one of the players droped out after 3 minutes... i really would love to hear from the players what they where thinking. after every football game you have players answerings questions. why wouldnt you do that here?
As if a 10% speed nerf through wounds to someone like Grimgor or the Dwarf Lords isn't a huge nerf. I think it is for sure. Depends on the base speed of the single entity. You can't generalize that and say its no biggie.Combine that wound ability with a faction that has strong missile play and those missile units are hybrid units who are decent or even strong in melee as well and you have a potentially op combination right there, which would mean they'd need to be more expensive or lower in number. They also have fast and hard hitting cav which on strongly to the already good combination as well. But i guess especially at the start the new and shiny faction will dominate the old ones anyway.
not in a single streamed tournament ive ever seen bretonnia win anything. If anyone has a video with Bretonnia actually winning something in a tournament please send me a link...
Bretonia was a free DLC faction in game 1. You can play them in game 2 either: if you own the first game with the original bretonia free dlc on the mortal empires combined map in game 2 or if you install the free Dlc for game 2 that adds the Legendary Lord Repanse as a free lord in game 2 directly. Was that what you meant?
@@FUNBadTime thank you for answering, but that's not what it was about. I asked about Legendary units that are unlocked after lvl by the lord. In a lord's army, I don't even see a button to recruit them.
@@SuperTyphus You must mean Regiments of Renown. Check out this blog. www.totalwar.com/blog/birthday-regiments-faq/ TL:DR you gotta register on that website, link your steam and claim these RoR for Beastmen, Bretonnia, Chaos Warriors, Norsca and the Wood Elves. There are also some FLC heroes through same website
Gets kind of old to just see GS win almost every game because they can max out on cheap poison skirmish cav and drag down anything fun or worth value in the game. Not to even say anything of how strong their front line is. Like how in the world did we get to a point where greenskins are one of the best front line AND probably the best skirmish faction because clearly some drunken goblins on spiders can outshoot ancient well trained wood elves?
When I conceded the battle result was decided. It's a 5/95 matchup and my shards were compromised, lord was half hp, frontline was crushed. It was over. I've trained this a lot, I know when it wasnt worth playing. If you just want to watch the spectacle of the graphics, just watch campaign battles, no?
@@Skulleagleable I wasn't the one bringing a skirmish build. I offered a front line engagement every single game and indeed pushed for a front line engagement in most games. The skirmish cav is just something you need in most matchups to counter your opponent's potential skirmish options. As you could see in game 1 of the finals, without skirmish cav I would have nothing to deal with that. Game 2 of the finals I won with frontline while my skirmish cav had been totally zoned out.
@@ViciousSatsuma I get you're trying to win. I just personally don't find the games entertaining as a spectator since they're more or less the same. The wood elves were interesting with completely different builds each game or Felkon bringing rarely used units as High Elves. Greenskins bring the same things game after game when they could surely get away with more meme units/unconventional playstyles considering how OP they are.
@@Skulleagleable I deliberately didn't take their strongest lord all tournament. I took artillery. I took foot archers, not just skirmish cav. I took a lot of different inf options. I took trolls in some matches but not others. I took a giant spider. I'm deliberately not taking the same stuff each game (with exception of final game because I didn't have a different non-grom build saved and didn't want to keep people waiting). I'm not sure what you're looking for, it's fine if you don't like GS, but I made a very conscious effort to switch it up.
Why do people even play the DE when they don't even try and make use of their unique units? Yes, Ice did well, but he could have done just as well using a race more geared around hammer and anvil tactics. I never see shades, black arc corsairs, I never see death hags, I never see witch elves...etc. Just use a different race!
Icepower was so f-in boring. Every single game the same build and the same tricks. Thankfully the other players brought interesting and varied builds. It was a nice tournament.
Factor in that Slaanesh's Harvesters (RoR Doomfire Warlocks) have a bound Soul Stealer that is much weaker than the true version. Also, it's kinda like Fey Enchantress conundrum cuz it's THE spell that holds the entire already struggling faction afloat. Nerf it and DE are unplayable in 60+% of match-ups...
@@viktorvh5511 it is just such a lazy way to do it tho. This huge AOE spell that just fucks over huge awesome pit fights is the only thing that makes your faction playable. The fey can atleast be gooned out or some missile play or something, but the soul stealer is just cheap
Greenskins are in this game and here you are complaining about soulstealer? Just don't blob lol. Note the first games of the finals. Satsuma didn't blob as voidlolz did in the ECL Q, so it was a useless spell. Not to mention I'm spending 2313 gold on a caster lord who isn't great in combat just for those spell casts. Start looking at the bigger picture and you'll realise it's not unbalanced at all.
Bit sad to see that two good players - playing dwarfs and dark elves respectively - were so sick of playing against the greenskins that they threw the game. Not sure what has to change here, but it certainly makes me think some adjustment is needed. It is one thing if people lose after a hard fight. But if veterans cannot even be bothered to play against a certain match-up? Does not look good.
Those Gyrocopter pilots chugged a bit too much of the bugman's brew before that Greenskins game!
Or a bunch of Slayers somehow ended up in gyros.
"I'm going to play Tomb Kings today!"
BURNING HEAD
"Maybe next game!"
Best cuisine would be high elves, Turin! High elves can be physically repelled by non-artistic or poorly made food, their senses are so sensitive in some ways. It's why they fall to Slaanesh a lot.
I love Felkon, he always keeps it meme-y fresh - and that's what makes this TW so fun to watch, even if I low-key hate playing it sometimes (if I never see another burning head in this life it'll still be too soon).
ed: yo, it looks like like meat's back off the menu boys, ya love to see it.
Was rooting hard for papa palpatine and his dedication to the chariot boss! :P
@Liam Clifforth What are you talking about? Every game turin said he was a meme and morghur would have been better.
@Liam Clifforth Sorry I misread your comment, thought you were saying turin thinks he is not bad.
As for whether he is better I don't even play MP so I haven't really a clue.
Timestamping games always equals a like!
It would be cool to see a game where TKings get to actually play a game without being nuked with burning heads immediately
In my opinion, they should just lower the weakness to fire to like, 10%.
@@Playaplaya18 That would only help their lords, not the regular units... burning head is simply overpowered.
Tomb kings are like vampire counts only worse
@@yatharthvats4902 Tomb Kings traded in lore of vampires for range and mediocre lores of magic :/
Their faction is one of my favorites, but lore of fire just destroys them.
Maybe that's why TK is sometimes considered a counter to Skaven - the rats don't get lore of fire.
Its not the spell, it's the unit sizes, they all have lower HP, because the rules are set for large unit sizes not ultra, and that's why every spell seems so devastating, Burning Head is fine, when playing on ultra, I never feel like it really does much.
But yeah I agree, it is getting boring to see the same stuff all the time.
Tretch should get this passive: every time he breaks a progressively worse unit spawns at the point of his break. SV w/halberds first time SV the second time, and then Clan Rats with spears for the third and final time
Edit:meme suggestion
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Your faction wars are honestly by far one of the most entertaining viewing e sports events
Yo Hadres' micro in that battle against Brettonia/Alrik was absolutely lit. Every single time Brettonia maneuvered Hadres' infantry were right there to head them off. Incredible defensive play!
Love the WE vs Chaos match. Great commentating Turin and well played all!
Man, imagine a Faction War with all the game 3 races. Gonna be a 5 hour stream
with game 3 we are going to have 6 new base factions, 1 chaos undivided(which i count it as a separate faction than warriors of chaos) and 1 pre order faction. adding that to 15 races that we have now, there will be about 506 different Mach ups. (not counting mirror matches)
@@fattyknight6760 Is Chaos undivided confirmed?
With 22/23 races I don't know how we will have neat brackets, unless we get a ton of sub factions like Calendor.
@@Draffut2003 nope but every one is talking about it so we will get it eventually
@@fattyknight6760 I've seen people talking about Dogs of War since the first game, and they still haven't been added.
@@Draffut2003 sorry by every one i mean content creators. they all talk about be'lakor as 9th legendary lord and he is always a chaos undivided character
What the hell was up with the finals? That's just disappointing
Some folks that take their games too seriously just can't take losing. Icepower is obviously one of them. Too bad Beastmen didn't crush him.
Lord heavily damaged, frontline routing, and accidentally sent dark shards into melee in an already abysmal matchup
@@Explosive0Diahrea a little mean of you tbh. Icepower deserved his place in the contest and you don't even know his reasons.
@@JL3339 It's not mean to mention the obvious anti-climax your being unnecessarily defensive. Ice should have had more respect for the tournament, contesters, its host and everybody watching. Its just Bad sportsmanship.
@@redghost5705 agree with you here, even if he saw no way back he should have realized there are a lot of people watching for entertainment
I'm getting really tired of the stone troll/spider rider spam. Hopefully CA releases a patch sometime soon.
DLC sales have yet to hit expected profit margins. - CA
@@justintung7981 at this rate people are going to be more triggered by greenskins than undead factions. It didn't take this long for the deck dropper nerf to land.
problem is that imho GS units are pretty balanced on their own, they just have a loot of versatility and are strong in many/almost all areas
so that is kinf of hard to balance
@@jacobtorti2673 There is no reason for Greenskins to be the best skirmish faction in the game. They were a top tier faction all throughout WH2 despite having very mediocre lords, always carried by spider rider spam.
@@Hargrovius absolutely agree.
Just imagine domination game mode when Greenskinz pushing you into the corner with endless cheap spider riders while scoring all objectives and winning even faster
Oh man. That final game...
Also I got a lot of questions about the soulstealer at 3:11:10. I used it because regardless of whether it hits things, morathi will still get her heals. She had just been targeted by another GS sniping spell so i wanted to ensure she stayed alive. It wasnt a misclick, but the snipe spell didnt land properly so it looks like it was unncessary in the end.
Does soulstealer heal the same about regardless of how many units it hits? I always thought that it healed based on how much damage you were able to do with it.
Great job in the tourney btw! I think that's the furthest the DE have ever gotten.
@@N0ahface the healing is always the same no matter what you hit.
I heard that but I thought you had to hit at least one unit.
@@PhilosophicallyAmerican nope. It's a flat 400hp heal for the caster regardless of whether you hit anything.
GREAT tournaments Turin ! Been following for a couple of years, and it gets better and better every instance. BIG kudos !
I really felt the pain of IcePower during the last game. Whatever you do GS just outvalue you.
Best sniping with snare, slows, spirit leech, and vindictive cancer spam -check.
Best Skirmish cavalry, best cavalry archers - check
Best regenerating super durable mass to block charges and to butcher everything -check
Best frontline, with superefficient lawnmowers and unbreakable fanatics with poison -check
Best faction wide buff -check
Dark Elves never had a chance when facing an opponent of equal skill. You never have an advantage, they just spam skirmish cavalry and dominate the mobile game so that you can never chase the routing units and that pretty much nullifies the only disadvantage of GS, their, lower than standard, leadership.
Hope that next faction war we are gonna see some other faction winning not the standard GS/VCoast/Skaven trio...
Very nicely put. I had a shot if I played immaculately, but I didn't so it wasn't worth wasting everyone's time when the result was already decided.
@@icepowertw6205 Yeah, a tough pill to swallow when you are at a severe mathematical disadvantage just because you are playing your favorite faction...
That wasn't a balance loss, lmao. Just outplayed.
Fanatic ability is op change my mind
@@yatharthvats4902 dwarf game. Fanatic archers used almost all of their ammo, shot several fanatics each and barely got their value back. And they come on a very squishy unit. They are quite strong but are far from broken.
The (zero dlc) Beastmen almost got to the finals... impressive.
Beastmen in multi-player actually aren't terrible, but the campaign experience isn't great.
This tournament must take a lot of effort and organisation. Thanks a lot man, really appreciate your videos. Great presentation, commentary and knowledge from you.
Da great green prophet strikes again, ya git
More refreshing than Grom eating for sure :-D. Congratz man :-)
Thanks for adding the times for each match in the description !!
No problem!
Updated time stamps incoming.
9:45 first battle begins
25:24 second massacre starts
45:23 third conquest begins
54:06 fourth fight commencing
1:07:02 fifth battle awaiting
1:21:58 sixth faction war starts
1:31:17 seventh blood bath begins
1:45:52 eighth wave of destruction
1:56:00 ninth battle takes place
2:06:48 tenth wave of metal moves
2:20:18 something is happening
2:29:46 12th army clashes
2:43:49 13th charge sounded
2:52:42 14th judgment past
3:05:36 the champions meet
I love you.
Thank you so much for adding chapters to these long videos of yours
Dunno how much is kosher to say about the results in comment, but dang, the ending was....something. Not quite sure I understood that one.
Yeah have to say that was bizarre?
i honestly felt that he just had enough of the crap spell mechanics.i mean if you slip for one second that enemy can deal 4k damage in 15sec.losing your hero will in most cases cost you a game .DOES NOT MATTER if you have any kind of army left or not, just check the balance bar in final game 1. this should be about the contest of armies and not about dodging vindictive glares from double casters all game long..
If you look carefully, his whole front line had routed and his missile units had been engaged in melee because he had accidentally moved them to just behind his front line. This was about what happened to his army. Sometimes the player can see quicker than the caster because he has a better overview and all the unit icons. It was a bit early, but he was at a big disadvantage.
@@roberthorvath9371 the vast majority of the damage came from archers, not vindictive glare. If you watch the video, the glares only do a few hundred damage each. And the glares in early game were targeting manticores, not morathi. It was simply an overextension to get in range of effagee and the archers at the same time.
Yeah see satsuma understands. 5/95 matchup against a better player, I waste all my winds of magic, manticore lord is half hp, darkshards are sent into melee cos I'm stupid. Was never gonna be a win after that cos he'd had 10000 more casts to snipe my terror. I know it was already lost so there was no point wasting everyone's time.
Love this stream, thanks Turin!
Glad you enjoy it!
IcePower completely threw the last game away.
Loving the video break up's to navigate easier in the vid Turin! keep up the great work!
Respect to the Greenskin player for this NoGrom gameplay. Rlly WP !
Rly love to watch this competative gameplays with your comments bro
I desire Steam Tank tactics.
Fantastic Skaven game with the stormvermin double chieftains
Really wish they'd do some kind of buff to Tomb Kings so they weren't trash tier against literally any faction that can bring fire.
The general issue is that Tomb Kings infantry has low armor and high model counts. Grave Guard have the same hp and model count, but with 40 extra armor and access to invocation of Nehek/mortis engine healing.
Saurus Warriors are around the same tier, but with lower model counts/higher hp per model and better leadership, by comparison, they don't get completely destroyed by the spell. They also have access to lore of life.
Tomb Kings *do* get the realm of souls, but it heals about as much as an earthblood each time and requires the death of a large part of your army before it becomes active. It almost certainly doesn't offset the healing from the vampire counts, let alone the damage mitigation of their extra armor.
@@SleepyFen Grave Guard also have thick weapon strength so while they’ve got weak combat stats they can still trade effectively against most infantry. Tomb Kings Skeletons just fall over, and Tomb Guard are just not worth the price.
@@Krane2000 Grave Guard have good armor piercing damage, if that's what you mean. But I feel like that's a different discussion. The primary issue with Tomb Kings is that all of their infantry gets pretty much one-shot by Burning Head with no real way of mitigating the damage outside of having lightning reflexes, since 28 speed makes it nearly impossible to dodge.
Got a new one for you @Turin when a Gunnery Wight is on the crab it isn't Skabscrath it is Crabscrath.
4 of the 5 races I care about all lose in the first round. makes for a short stream at least.
Hey @Turin isn’t Bretonnia missing their Bertrand the Brigand and the Bowmen of Bergerac? I’d love to have him as a bowmen-centric lord! Hope he goes Robin Hood against those snooty nobles 😛
Good to see Beastmen bringing the hurt
Felkon/Enticity : Yeah, Crab rashes, pardon, rushes ; are a well-known itch for Imperial armies…
Crazy how many Brettonian units didn't get a single kill
cant wait for total war warhammer 3 factions in this too
Palpatine sending a powerful message!
Beastmen did suprisingly good this time
Awesome tournament format, thanks!
It's a little sad to see the unbalancing of the factions that was always present on the tabletop creep into the total war version of warhammer. Everytime a new Army Book was released the balance for that faction would be thrown off, usually to make it much better than before to help sell the book and the new models. I wish ca made more of an effort toactually balance the factions as well as possible, as well as buffing and nerfing the various options for each army as needed.
So right now we have OP greenskins because the last DLC for them added some ridiculously good things.
In addition to the fact that their skirmishers and archers are just way too good. In the lore, greenskin dakka is supposed to be super inaccurate except for the guided missiles of the doom diver. And okay yes goblins are supposed to have better aim but they can't draw anything stronger than a tiny shortbow so they should have low damage and almost no AP.
Or super short range
To be fair, goblins already have pretty short range and low AP. I think it has more to do with how ranged damage is applied. Always one damage more arrow and they just bring so many.
Palestine vs Hadres was such a shame, but entirely accurate to Skaven! The mortar team pummelled into the backs of the Skaven slaves without hitting the ungors and it let the Beastmen into the cookie jar so much faster than it should have.
That autocorrect! Ha ha ha!
I’m looking forward to the those WH3 faction wars! Nurgle! Ogre Kingdoms!
Death guard for life i got the death guard heroes 6 pack recently if you dont have them do it they are goddamn beautiful
Ladies and Gentleman,
welcome to Estalia!
Very nice battles apart from the finals, GG!!
i would also love to try dwarnen food. the closest i've been was in rural germany: golden potatoes and meat with brown sauce
and 11 beers
Lol. Nameless played my exact Vampire build vs Dwarfs. Down to the unit. Maybe a coincidence but i dont think so. Either way he made some huuge mistakes in the game. Moreover he forgot to bring pans pelt which is one of the reasons you bring the necrarch in the first place. You want to stack it with dark protection and get up to 69% resistance against Dwarfen missiles.
Spider riders really need a cost increase and possibly some other nerfs. I think they’re even more of problem than grom
It's baffling how the most oppressive aspect of greenskins play is their skirmish cavalry. It is ridiculous that they can out-skirmish an army that has fully committed to skirmish. They really do not get properly taxed for having smaller hitboxes and more armor than any other skirmish cavalry in the game.
Funnily enough, Greenskin skirmish cav used to be cheaper/stronger than it is right now. For several years, until it took a nerf quite recently. And it was never an issue, and it wasn't even that popular. Because it doesn't actually win games on its own. What it does mostly is provide fast mass and insurance against your opponent kiting you. GS foot archers are unable to provide that kite insurance due to their low range, and GS cav are too specialist to provide mass efficiently.
Long time fan of the channel man, keep up the great work. Loving the Mullet memes, ironically enough I finally cut my hair into one recently. Couldn't do it for a long time while I was in the army but now, Mullets for the mullet god!
Hell yeah brother! Mullet strong!
Beastmen almost pulled off the one trick pony victory
That's a cool tidbit to know, the background story of your name. I was wondering about that myself! :)
What I usually do when I'm working is set up a message replier to phone calls and then set my phone to vibrate only. that way when somebody calls me when I'm busy I can just tap my phone to send them an automated reply, convenient feature. What about the games and the casting? well I'm new to warhammer so there are many unit names and spells that I hardly recognize but man oh man how entertaining it is to see a medieval epic fantasy chess of iron, blood, magic, and orc heads flying around.
Great tournament, as always.
That was not an act of a sportmen, to dropnthe second game so quickly.
Ok, I never thought the gunners on crabs are a thing.
Btw Turin, have you considered running some of these as no Legendary Lords tournaments? I feel this might shake things up and make for a very interesting tournament or two.
Grombrindal just threw the moment he saw the Greenskin army. Grombrindals army was a chariot killer. It had no chance against a greenskin ranged army. These weren't mistakes. This was an instant gg by grombrindal
If it were an instant GG, he would have conceded earlier, not run around with his lord for a couple of minutes after he hit army losses!
Really came down to player skill more than anything
I probably missed it but what are the gold values for these battles?
12.4k
Hey, great video! One amateur question: I notice that these armies don't use as many monsters as I usually see in armies -- is that some high level strategy?
does anyone know how I would be able to join the discord? I'd like to get into multiplayer!
Only if Chaos had final transmutation instead of searing doom :o
I really hate where greenskins meta is right now, the same thing every time, mass skirmish cavalry and stone trolls.
Is this game alive? I cant find much on it. Does it have a ranked ladder? I feel like 2v2 would be dope! Any info would be awesome
It'll likely get one in the new game coming this year. ATM no, though, the competitive scene is mostly community run. It's def alive though, most people just play singleplayer. 42k average playing on Steam charts.
Have you considered changing the unit banners so you can see each unit's status without having to hover over them?
Warlions are good vs undead because theyre immune to fear so they dont break as easy as alot of your other troops would :^)
On the other hand, all the units they are fighting are immune to the fear they cause.
@@ViciousSatsuma Well of course each unit has pros and cons, when you weigh lions vs your other high mobility options though, thats the cheapest one that cant get fear routed and it has armor piercing to boot, and beats their low tier high mobility chaff in a 1 on 1 so it's harder for them to screen for it
after the last game, when one of the players droped out after 3 minutes... i really would love to hear from the players what they where thinking. after every football game you have players answerings questions. why wouldnt you do that here?
Some players get a little Salty so it may not be best
i feel like if this was re-done after the upcoming Silence and the Fury DLC comes out, Taurox would just wipe the deck
As if a 10% speed nerf through wounds to someone like Grimgor or the Dwarf Lords isn't a huge nerf. I think it is for sure. Depends on the base speed of the single entity. You can't generalize that and say its no biggie.Combine that wound ability with a faction that has strong missile play and those missile units are hybrid units who are decent or even strong in melee as well and you have a potentially op combination right there, which would mean they'd need to be more expensive or lower in number. They also have fast and hard hitting cav which on strongly to the already good combination as well. But i guess especially at the start the new and shiny faction will dominate the old ones anyway.
not in a single streamed tournament ive ever seen bretonnia win anything. If anyone has a video with Bretonnia actually winning something in a tournament please send me a link...
bretonnia was too ambitious, he brought too many micro intensive units and didn't have the crazy skills needed for all that micro.
Nerf greenskins. I appreciate the lack of Grom but it’s still so one sided
Your voice sounds so much like Adam Crigler :D
Hi, im new in this game , why bretonian dont have legendary units in campaign?
Bretonia was a free DLC faction in game 1.
You can play them in game 2 either:
if you own the first game with the original bretonia free dlc on the mortal empires combined map in game 2
or
if you install the free Dlc for game 2 that adds the Legendary Lord Repanse as a free lord in game 2 directly.
Was that what you meant?
@@FUNBadTime thank you for answering, but that's not what it was about.
I asked about Legendary units that are unlocked after lvl by the lord.
In a lord's army, I don't even see a button to recruit them.
@@SuperTyphus You must mean Regiments of Renown. Check out this blog.
www.totalwar.com/blog/birthday-regiments-faq/
TL:DR you gotta register on that website, link your steam and claim these RoR for Beastmen, Bretonnia, Chaos Warriors, Norsca and the Wood Elves.
There are also some FLC heroes through same website
@@DANgeonsNDragons yes ,thank you for help!
It really sucks that the tomb kings always lose to everyone
That was poor Brettonia play 😭😭
Wow High Elves advanced past the first game... O_o What is happening Turin?
Ah, High Elves lose in second tier, balance restored. Seriously, when will CA give a little bit something to make High Elves competitive?
Dont buy ziemniak stole my heart.
I need a new faction war 😤
Sad mooing
My hard wood got soft!!!!!!! Noooooooooo!!!!!
Greenskins ...what a surprise
Gets kind of old to just see GS win almost every game because they can max out on cheap poison skirmish cav and drag down anything fun or worth value in the game. Not to even say anything of how strong their front line is. Like how in the world did we get to a point where greenskins are one of the best front line AND probably the best skirmish faction because clearly some drunken goblins on spiders can outshoot ancient well trained wood elves?
Sad but happy moos
Lmfao the giggle when he said 69😂
Poor sportsmanship by IcePowerTW there. Disservice to the fans and to the people who take the time to host and cast these tournaments.
When I conceded the battle result was decided. It's a 5/95 matchup and my shards were compromised, lord was half hp, frontline was crushed. It was over. I've trained this a lot, I know when it wasnt worth playing. If you just want to watch the spectacle of the graphics, just watch campaign battles, no?
It was a service. It spared us all from having to watch Satsuma's boring skirmisher build game after game after game
@@Skulleagleable I wasn't the one bringing a skirmish build. I offered a front line engagement every single game and indeed pushed for a front line engagement in most games. The skirmish cav is just something you need in most matchups to counter your opponent's potential skirmish options. As you could see in game 1 of the finals, without skirmish cav I would have nothing to deal with that. Game 2 of the finals I won with frontline while my skirmish cav had been totally zoned out.
@@ViciousSatsuma I get you're trying to win. I just personally don't find the games entertaining as a spectator since they're more or less the same. The wood elves were interesting with completely different builds each game or Felkon bringing rarely used units as High Elves. Greenskins bring the same things game after game when they could surely get away with more meme units/unconventional playstyles considering how OP they are.
@@Skulleagleable I deliberately didn't take their strongest lord all tournament. I took artillery. I took foot archers, not just skirmish cav. I took a lot of different inf options. I took trolls in some matches but not others. I took a giant spider. I'm deliberately not taking the same stuff each game (with exception of final game because I didn't have a different non-grom build saved and didn't want to keep people waiting). I'm not sure what you're looking for, it's fine if you don't like GS, but I made a very conscious effort to switch it up.
2:44:08 Wood Elves use aimbot confirmed
Love the time stamps.
Goddamnit Felkon, love the memes but not against Enticty's Coast!
Why do people even play the DE when they don't even try and make use of their unique units? Yes, Ice did well, but he could have done just as well using a race more geared around hammer and anvil tactics. I never see shades, black arc corsairs, I never see death hags, I never see witch elves...etc. Just use a different race!
Greeeeeenn Furrrryyz
Greenskins pretty much rolling over any other faction in multiplayer.
please SOTM i need to be part of your clan!!!!
Icepower was so f-in boring. Every single game the same build and the same tricks. Thankfully the other players brought interesting and varied builds. It was a nice tournament.
Soul stealer can be cast way too many times per game
Factor in that Slaanesh's Harvesters (RoR Doomfire Warlocks) have a bound Soul Stealer that is much weaker than the true version. Also, it's kinda like Fey Enchantress conundrum cuz it's THE spell that holds the entire already struggling faction afloat. Nerf it and DE are unplayable in 60+% of match-ups...
@@viktorvh5511 it is just such a lazy way to do it tho. This huge AOE spell that just fucks over huge awesome pit fights is the only thing that makes your faction playable. The fey can atleast be gooned out or some missile play or something, but the soul stealer is just cheap
Greenskins are in this game and here you are complaining about soulstealer? Just don't blob lol. Note the first games of the finals. Satsuma didn't blob as voidlolz did in the ECL Q, so it was a useless spell. Not to mention I'm spending 2313 gold on a caster lord who isn't great in combat just for those spell casts. Start looking at the bigger picture and you'll realise it's not unbalanced at all.
Bit sad to see that two good players - playing dwarfs and dark elves respectively - were so sick of playing against the greenskins that they threw the game. Not sure what has to change here, but it certainly makes me think some adjustment is needed.
It is one thing if people lose after a hard fight. But if veterans cannot even be bothered to play against a certain match-up? Does not look good.