The Original plan was never for the Boss to die, she had to retrieve the Legacy from Volgin after she “defected”, but when Volgin launched the portable nuke that is when everything went not according to plan.
The Boss had to be the most influental (or impactful) character not only in gaming but media as whole because almost everything that happen in Metal Gear saga started from her Another character that bring a very significant impact like her is Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars and DIO from JoJo, I mean even after they are long dead, the thing they leave when they are still alive still linger around
Honestly I don’t want a remake of the old games, nor a sequel. The story ended with revengence. If anything I want a game based on the boss and see what made her become the person she was first hand. We fight with her and see everything she went through. Go to ww2, meet the cobra unit…her family, see what her relationship was with the sorrow. Go to space, meet Strangelove. Fight in Cuba, and finally fight the sorrow. See how her ideals change and see her morph into the person she is now. From The joy to The boss. I want to see her story.
I don’t. There would be no point, no moral or theme that hasn’t already been covered. Besides, what then? Another prequel starring The End? The timeline has to start and end somewhere. You will always have at least two unanswered questions. I’m happy that one of those questions centers around the boss. Much like Big Boss we will never truly know her or her back story. We just have her words to interpret and live by. It’s a beautifully poetic thing to kick off every event that comes after I think.
@@TheFloodFourm You make a very good and valid point. I guess it’s best to leave her story alone. Keeping her this way makes her more memorable. Plus her screen time here and peacewalker is good enough. I guess a part of me wanted to see her again.
Whoa, thats a bold claim, although you not phrase it as a claim. However, there could be no better mother than this Apex maternal Predator, so gratz to you and your mom!
@@schaefer76 My pleasure mate, thank you for your kind words, too ^^ i really am interested, in which ways your mother was like the Boss, maybe you would like to tell some stories about her?
The Boss is the goat. I’ve been playing Metal Gear since I was little boy. Didn’t really get her. But her character hit harder when I became an adult and started having problems with my mother.
Nobody really talks about it, but I find it sweet how, even in death, the Sorrow stands with the woman he loved until the very end, knowing they would truly be together again soon.
What broke me is that this game begins with Jack desperately seeking attention from The Boss. Let's be clear: Adamska might be her biological son, but he could never have with her what Jack had.
@@juanzingarello4005 She actually know that Ocelot is her son and the hint can be seen throughout the story but it is very subtle (like when she scold and slap Ocelot) It is Ocelot who is not aware of The Boss being his mother, he only find out the truth when Cipher brainwash Venom Snake into thinking he is Big Boss..... that or The Sorrow come into his dream and tell everything
@@juanzingarello4005pretty sure she knew, unless her maternal instinct goes even beyond her comprehension, cuz the way she treats Ocelot throughout the game looks exactly like a mom scolding her child
@@crystalaluminaOne thing or the other maybe and she's already too deep in all of the conspiracy. Maybe she didn't know that Ocelot is also as deep undercover as she was.
I get that the boss was playing a role into forcing Snake to defeat her so they both can complete their missions, but some of the shit she did to him was unnecessarily cruel. Like shooting him in the leg with the fake death pill when she could have given it to him in his pocket. Or having the horse stomp on his hand. Was it to make him hate her or to make him stronger??
Probably to make him stronger. But I think its more likely that the Boss wanted Snake to give up being a soldier. She doesn't glorify the career of soldiers as being one of honour or anything but makes Snake face up to the fact that being a soldier is one of the worst jobs, in the sense that once you become a soldier you have to have undying loyalty towards completing the mission, even if it means going against a friend. All she ever wanted for Snake was to lead a normal life because she came to realize how pointless war and battle really was, since there is no eternal enemy. She felt it was too late for her to leave the army since she was in too deep. But Snake was still young and could still get out of this life. Hence why almost every time we meet her she's like "Go home Jack."
@@darthludicrous99 I think so too. That's how it felt when playing this game. She is Snakes Ideal, the person he looks up to most, and despite all that mental and physical pain she caused to him, he pushed through, broken in body and mind and against the person he admires more than anyone else. And for what? To fulfill some dumb political plot neither Snake nor Big Boss cared for and kill her along the way. Tragic.
Personally I see it as done to strengthen his resolve. Like she said at the beginning, enemies change with the times she was once his mentor and now she's his enemy and the only thing they have is their missions. If Snake didn't have resolve to pursue the mission above all else even when she was flat out telling him to choose and tell him to go home then he wouldn't have the resolve to fight for his country and defeat her. Like she said, they Soldiers, they have to put their personal feelings aside and it cements the Boss as an amazing character where in spite of what happened she was willing to die for her country even if said country never knew what she did for it and was branded a traitor. That is a true Solider.
Too late for the party but i have a theory. Others have said before me is true. Yes The boss doesn't want snake to do the operation. She wants snake to run away. Ocelot was set to kill the boss if snake fails. After all ocelot was a triple agent. Also there's XOF a secretive organisation built by Major Zero as an intel gatherer in snake eater operation. Also as a backup plan if snake fails. There are many backup plans for the boss.
The transmitter fell out of Snake and Volgin found it. He threw it to Ocelot who after Volgin left, slammed the transmitter back into Snake though his wound. He’s also a spy as well. That’s why he did it.
@@NRRC97 by saying The Boss isn't the nasty girl boss type pumped out by Western devs is comparing her to all other female characters? Are you implying that with the exception of The Boss all other female characters in video games are from Western devs? Please elaborate. What's unfair?
Poor Boss. So misguided. She says a lot of truth, but still decides to remain a pathetic mere soldier, no matter how talented, loyal to one already corrupted country. Which is it? We are one people on one planet, or loyal to a nation-state? She chose wrong. She's a daughter of the Philosopher's. Almost nothing she says makes sense in light of that fact. If she grew up with such knowledge and privilege and all her experiences, why did she continue to support a mere one-third of the Philosophers? Why continue to be loyal to just america? Ironically, and knowledge only available to those who really know Megaman X, this was his true problem as well if Capcom didn't have lint for brains. Heroes think that if they are the ones who pull the trigger that they can exert some sort of positive influence, constantly ignoring the fact that they still have orders. All that matters is truth and justice. Characters like the Boss and Megaman X need to stop waiting around for others and do the real job themselves. That is, to seize power and rule justly as their conflicts (their video games' stories) have taught them.
I think she was trying to get her hands on the legacy as well, and saw her position in the US military as a good headstart. No idea what she would spend the money on though, since Big Boss admits at the end of MGS4 that he misinterpreted her will.
@@MoosenOggen4343 Excuses. People who enlist are generally deadbeats with no prospects who are taken advantage of by the government's promise of education at risk of their lives. And then they are brainwashed in the process. That's your "some things go beyond words." Seems you never grew up. My brother was a marine and he regrets it's nonsense. You don't know who you are speaking to and our experience.
"Bruh why are all these heroes so stupid when all these situations are so simple." ☝🤓 Coming to the most basic of conclusions for complicated dilemmas is usually a sign of lacking any real valid or genuine insight.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltanlisten to eva's tape at the end. The Boss was such a badass she died as a villain but she was a hero, the real villain was EVA she stole the legacy for china
"I can't teach you how to think like a soldier." Proceeds to teach him how to think like a soldier (Soldiers having personal feelings is bad, don't do it. Soldiers don't question orders.) "That's not the same thing." It literally is. "A soldier is loyal to the country and does the mission and nothing else." "The times dictate the missions, not people" Is this lady on crack? Contradicting herself immediately. Her own mission in the game was dictated by people. Snake didn't even ask questions about absolute or relative enemies. He was what she initially said was good, narrowminded and unquestioning. And yet she gives a speech about it contradicting her earlier statements of soldiers not having personal feelings and not questioning orders. Despite my complaints, I'd rather have everything here than any modern garbage. I love MGS3.
@@MoosenOggen4343 Except this is a video game, made by people who never enlisted, presented to an audience who also never served. The game's audience is for non-enlistees so it needs to be effective for them since they are the customers.
@normalguycap well he still misunderstood, and I think that having 'military advisors' on the game speaks for itself, and soldiers can, poetically enough, describe things eerily accurate to how the game speaks through cutscenes and characters. Where your loyalties lie. When you fight, you're not fighting for a country. That's never at the forefront of your mind. Your unit, your life, their lives, that's what you're thinking of. And the Boss' whole point is to be Loyal to yourself, and she plays around the statement itself, because she wants snake to learn it, and be loyal to himself, not be told it and follow it like doctrine. It was definitely made for those who never serve, I'm just saying, what sounds nonsensical makes sense after experiencing it. It's, funnily enough, just as chaotic as the minds of people who serve and fight a LOT.
Oh it's YOU not he, I thought you were different. Also, it's not 'meant' for people who never served. It's meant for a broad audience, and that's why I applaud Kojingles for getting military advice and presenting things in his classic, goofy, campy, yet dramatic as fuck form.
@@tylerdurden1923 perhaps we are all not patriots of the same nation nor where there ever any distinctions asides from the commandments we follow rather who gives them with there hot finger upon chilled grantite producing a smoke of indefiniteness upon it
th-cam.com/video/uLFXJUS47oA/w-d-xo.html most emitional Cutscene in any video game i ever had the pleasure of enjoying. Thats how you use SloMo btw., not to make look Violence more cool, but to underline an important moment for a character.
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Best female character put into a video game
After Lara Croft
@@thomasromano9239lara croft is so mid
@@SCP-3143- She is pretty much the first iconic female character in an action adventure game... she's basically Chun-li level of awesomeness
I've beaten this game over a dozen times but never realized The Boss gave herself away at 4:46.
The Original plan was never for the Boss to die, she had to retrieve the Legacy from Volgin after she “defected”, but when Volgin launched the portable nuke that is when everything went not according to plan.
The Boss had to be the most influental (or impactful) character not only in gaming but media as whole because almost everything that happen in Metal Gear saga started from her
Another character that bring a very significant impact like her is Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars and DIO from JoJo, I mean even after they are long dead, the thing they leave when they are still alive still linger around
SoMe hOw pALpaTine rEtUrNED
Imagine another mgs installment as the boss fighting the sorrow
I don't know I think Jesus is bigger
@@HanoKMakatona So, for you, Jesus is a fictional character?
@@yonakakurai1737 no, he said in media as a whole , which includes movies magazines books games
The whole time during her “defection”, she was still mentoring Jack. Till the very end, she never stopped mentoring him.
Is it just me or Does anybody else find The Boss attractively beautiful???
I most definitely do
Nah. I find her beautifully attractive
@@ceqerses IMO: The Boss was too beautiful to die.
@@ceqerses same
Yeah everyone of us does, it’s best not to talk about it
Honestly I don’t want a remake of the old games, nor a sequel.
The story ended with revengence. If anything I want a game based on the boss and see what made her become the person she was first hand.
We fight with her and see everything she went through.
Go to ww2, meet the cobra unit…her family, see what her relationship was with the sorrow. Go to space, meet Strangelove. Fight in Cuba, and finally fight the sorrow.
See how her ideals change and see her morph into the person she is now. From The joy to The boss. I want to see her story.
Beautifully said, a prequel to a prequel if you will.
I don’t. There would be no point, no moral or theme that hasn’t already been covered. Besides, what then? Another prequel starring The End?
The timeline has to start and end somewhere. You will always have at least two unanswered questions. I’m happy that one of those questions centers around the boss.
Much like Big Boss we will never truly know her or her back story. We just have her words to interpret and live by. It’s a beautifully poetic thing to kick off every event that comes after I think.
@@TheFloodFourm
You make a very good and valid point.
I guess it’s best to leave her story alone.
Keeping her this way makes her more memorable.
Plus her screen time here and peacewalker is good enough.
I guess a part of me wanted to see her again.
@@БогданКрименюк
Yeah lol exactly like that
@@TheFloodFourm We need an Sorrow game, screw the Boss.
Being a ghost boi.
23:16 I love how the boss notices snake was watching the whole time
The same thing happens at 19:38 in the swamp area.
it's interessting there is also a tunder wich mean The Sorrow show her where is Snake
The world is trying to divide us but Metal Gear Solid is bringing us all together! It's really wonderful!
The Boss reminded me so much of my own mother, which is why I was driven to tears during the final duel
Whoa, thats a bold claim, although you not phrase it as a claim. However, there could be no better mother than this Apex maternal Predator, so gratz to you and your mom!
@@masterbruce7592 Thank you for your kind words, friend 😁
@@schaefer76 My pleasure mate, thank you for your kind words, too ^^ i really am interested, in which ways your mother was like the Boss, maybe you would like to tell some stories about her?
damn your mother taught you CQC, what a mother
"The boss' defection was a ruse". Cue the tears.
18:07 damn nice shot
Ocelot got grounded
55:21 oh snap I didn't catch that when I played this.
The Boss is the goat. I’ve been playing Metal Gear since I was little boy. Didn’t really get her. But her character hit harder when I became an adult and started having problems with my mother.
Nobody really talks about it, but I find it sweet how, even in death, the Sorrow stands with the woman he loved until the very end, knowing they would truly be together again soon.
absolutely, it's really wonderful. his last words to his lover are really beautiful too.
What broke me is that this game begins with Jack desperately seeking attention from The Boss.
Let's be clear: Adamska might be her biological son, but he could never have with her what Jack had.
What saddens me is that The Boss died never knowing her son was there with her the whole time.
@@juanzingarello4005 She actually know that Ocelot is her son and the hint can be seen throughout the story but it is very subtle (like when she scold and slap Ocelot)
It is Ocelot who is not aware of The Boss being his mother, he only find out the truth when Cipher brainwash Venom Snake into thinking he is Big Boss..... that or The Sorrow come into his dream and tell everything
@@juanzingarello4005pretty sure she knew, unless her maternal instinct goes even beyond her comprehension, cuz the way she treats Ocelot throughout the game looks exactly like a mom scolding her child
Oh, she knew, she was the frikkin Boss
@@crystalaluminaOne thing or the other maybe and she's already too deep in all of the conspiracy. Maybe she didn't know that Ocelot is also as deep undercover as she was.
These codec scenes are so visceral. The tone of Snake Eater is just incredible! 👍 So nostalgic..!
My favorite character in the game and second favorite character in the entire series, right under Solid Snake.
never liked seeing the boss in this game, cause every encounter meant "say goodbye to all that crap you had on you"
Can we get a Metal Gear where we play as The Boss? Because if so I'D TOTALLY BUY IT!
It may be the best video game ever made, even now when i watch it, it feels epic, the perfect blend of cinematic story telling and gameplay.
I get that the boss was playing a role into forcing Snake to defeat her so they both can complete their missions, but some of the shit she did to him was unnecessarily cruel. Like shooting him in the leg with the fake death pill when she could have given it to him in his pocket. Or having the horse stomp on his hand.
Was it to make him hate her or to make him stronger??
Probably to make him stronger.
But I think its more likely that the Boss wanted Snake to give up being a soldier. She doesn't glorify the career of soldiers as being one of honour or anything but makes Snake face up to the fact that being a soldier is one of the worst jobs, in the sense that once you become a soldier you have to have undying loyalty towards completing the mission, even if it means going against a friend.
All she ever wanted for Snake was to lead a normal life because she came to realize how pointless war and battle really was, since there is no eternal enemy.
She felt it was too late for her to leave the army since she was in too deep. But Snake was still young and could still get out of this life. Hence why almost every time we meet her she's like "Go home Jack."
@@darthludicrous99 I think so too. That's how it felt when playing this game. She is Snakes Ideal, the person he looks up to most, and despite all that mental and physical pain she caused to him, he pushed through, broken in body and mind and against the person he admires more than anyone else. And for what? To fulfill some dumb political plot neither Snake nor Big Boss cared for and kill her along the way. Tragic.
Personally I see it as done to strengthen his resolve. Like she said at the beginning, enemies change with the times she was once his mentor and now she's his enemy and the only thing they have is their missions. If Snake didn't have resolve to pursue the mission above all else even when she was flat out telling him to choose and tell him to go home then he wouldn't have the resolve to fight for his country and defeat her.
Like she said, they Soldiers, they have to put their personal feelings aside and it cements the Boss as an amazing character where in spite of what happened she was willing to die for her country even if said country never knew what she did for it and was branded a traitor. That is a true Solider.
Too late for the party but i have a theory.
Others have said before me is true. Yes The boss doesn't want snake to do the operation. She wants snake to run away.
Ocelot was set to kill the boss if snake fails. After all ocelot was a triple agent.
Also there's XOF a secretive organisation built by Major Zero as an intel gatherer in snake eater operation. Also as a backup plan if snake fails.
There are many backup plans for the boss.
Men love Eva, legends love the Boss
I never knew/ noticed The Boss gave the Ocelot salute to Ocelot (her son) after the torture scene
I have to ask the question. Did the Boss ever know that Ocelot was her child?
Yes, she knew.
Why do you think she slapped him like that?
The fact that this woman is also voiced by the same person that voiced a flipping teenage whale speaks volumes about Lori Alan as a voice actress!!!
Ok,she did tell us why she is doing this in the beginning
14:58 "You're not even armed."
Snake: "Well, I was 'till you broke my ish!!!"
Jack où devrais-je dire Snake ?
6:21 8:30 9:06 10:40 11:17 12:18 14:16 17:00 18:07 18:38 19:41 22:21 26:38 28:08 28:17 28:42 31:11
2022 that into hits so different now.
54:18 Me: I…I just can’t do it!!
Ngl when I was younger I was like hurry up then the ending happened and it hit me in the guts so bad like a brick.
Lori Alan doesn’t get enough credit for her voice in this game… kinda like The Boss
32:01 did ocelot plant something on snake or he just hit him?
I guess it was a fake death pill or a transmitter, you have both stashed in your body if you go to the cure screen after this
The transmitter fell out of Snake and Volgin found it. He threw it to Ocelot who after Volgin left, slammed the transmitter back into Snake though his wound. He’s also a spy as well. That’s why he did it.
Ya it took me 10 times playing this game to notice he did that lol
Wouldve been so bad if he accidentally set the patriot on full auto😂😂
This is a excellent example of a strong female character in gaming. She's not the nasty girl boss types pumped out by western game devs.
Touch grass
@@miketrujillo3677 Big brained rebuttal there. So witty and original. 😃👍🏾
It's a bit unfair to compare all other female characters to The Boss
@@NRRC97 by saying The Boss isn't the nasty girl boss type pumped out by Western devs is comparing her to all other female characters? Are you implying that with the exception of The Boss all other female characters in video games are from Western devs? Please elaborate. What's unfair?
15:38 …bullets… aren’t supposed to do that, are they?
Diane Simmons
Pearl Krabs.
39:58.
I hated the boss and enjoyed CQC ing her into the ground
*[Insert Pearl Krabs comment]*
41:43 get lold on kojimba
Poor Boss. So misguided. She says a lot of truth, but still decides to remain a pathetic mere soldier, no matter how talented, loyal to one already corrupted country. Which is it? We are one people on one planet, or loyal to a nation-state? She chose wrong. She's a daughter of the Philosopher's. Almost nothing she says makes sense in light of that fact. If she grew up with such knowledge and privilege and all her experiences, why did she continue to support a mere one-third of the Philosophers? Why continue to be loyal to just america?
Ironically, and knowledge only available to those who really know Megaman X, this was his true problem as well if Capcom didn't have lint for brains. Heroes think that if they are the ones who pull the trigger that they can exert some sort of positive influence, constantly ignoring the fact that they still have orders.
All that matters is truth and justice. Characters like the Boss and Megaman X need to stop waiting around for others and do the real job themselves. That is, to seize power and rule justly as their conflicts (their video games' stories) have taught them.
I think she was trying to get her hands on the legacy as well, and saw her position in the US military as a good headstart. No idea what she would spend the money on though, since Big Boss admits at the end of MGS4 that he misinterpreted her will.
You'll understand one day, kid. I didn't know until I enlisted. Some things go beyond words. Plus, translation.
@@MoosenOggen4343 Excuses. People who enlist are generally deadbeats with no prospects who are taken advantage of by the government's promise of education at risk of their lives. And then they are brainwashed in the process. That's your "some things go beyond words." Seems you never grew up. My brother was a marine and he regrets it's nonsense. You don't know who you are speaking to and our experience.
"Bruh why are all these heroes so stupid when all these situations are so simple." ☝🤓
Coming to the most basic of conclusions for complicated dilemmas is usually a sign of lacking any real valid or genuine insight.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltanlisten to eva's tape at the end. The Boss was such a badass she died as a villain but she was a hero, the real villain was EVA she stole the legacy for china
"I can't teach you how to think like a soldier." Proceeds to teach him how to think like a soldier (Soldiers having personal feelings is bad, don't do it. Soldiers don't question orders.)
"That's not the same thing." It literally is.
"A soldier is loyal to the country and does the mission and nothing else." "The times dictate the missions, not people" Is this lady on crack? Contradicting herself immediately. Her own mission in the game was dictated by people. Snake didn't even ask questions about absolute or relative enemies. He was what she initially said was good, narrowminded and unquestioning. And yet she gives a speech about it contradicting her earlier statements of soldiers not having personal feelings and not questioning orders.
Despite my complaints, I'd rather have everything here than any modern garbage. I love MGS3.
His heart was still in the wrong place. After playing these, if you ever enlist, then you'll understand. Some ideas and ideals go beyond words.
@@MoosenOggen4343 Except this is a video game, made by people who never enlisted, presented to an audience who also never served. The game's audience is for non-enlistees so it needs to be effective for them since they are the customers.
@normalguycap well he still misunderstood, and I think that having 'military advisors' on the game speaks for itself, and soldiers can, poetically enough, describe things eerily accurate to how the game speaks through cutscenes and characters. Where your loyalties lie. When you fight, you're not fighting for a country. That's never at the forefront of your mind. Your unit, your life, their lives, that's what you're thinking of. And the Boss' whole point is to be Loyal to yourself, and she plays around the statement itself, because she wants snake to learn it, and be loyal to himself, not be told it and follow it like doctrine.
It was definitely made for those who never serve, I'm just saying, what sounds nonsensical makes sense after experiencing it. It's, funnily enough, just as chaotic as the minds of people who serve and fight a LOT.
Oh it's YOU not he, I thought you were different.
Also, it's not 'meant' for people who never served. It's meant for a broad audience, and that's why I applaud Kojingles for getting military advice and presenting things in his classic, goofy, campy, yet dramatic as fuck form.
@@MoosenOggen4343 Doubling down, not addressing the issues. Cliche internet dweller. We're done here.
Sorry, but i hated the casting of Lori Allen as the Boss. Cause every time she talked, i heard Diane Simmons from the early seasons of Family Guy
She's also Pearl from SpongeBob.
@ZorroCeleste1 yup, forgot about that one. another point against Lori Allen as Boss
@@mikeking1948 - oof
@mikeking1948 lmaooo child. It's the best possible choice, and completely has a different cadence, and pattern to her speeches.
@@MoosenOggen4343 - He has not found an emotion to carry into battle.
Boss is a villain
Not really she is a patriot
@@tylerdurden1923 perhaps we are all not patriots of the same nation nor where there ever any distinctions asides from the commandments we follow rather who gives them with there hot finger upon chilled grantite producing a smoke of indefiniteness upon it
th-cam.com/video/uLFXJUS47oA/w-d-xo.html most emitional Cutscene in any video game i ever had the pleasure of enjoying. Thats how you use SloMo btw., not to make look Violence more cool, but to underline an important moment for a character.