Yeah, put the new whipple on your 2024, and you're going to make 650 to the tire. Why? Because you didn't read the fine print. They put Longtubes on it, deleted the cats, and put octane booster in it. That's how they made that number. You're NOT going to make almost 800 wheel on 93 octane on a 12:1 compression motor, or its going to pop.
We've already proven that is not the case. 3 cars with the Whipple kit running the stock manifolds and cats have made from 735-760rwhp with the blower alone on 93 ONLY. All of them using the 3.75" pulley and all done locally on the same dyno at PBD.
That sounds impressive but I will hold my thoughts until we see track numbers. I just don’t I personally dont trust dyno numbers any more. Too many people in this industry do things to promote a product vs being truthful. A dyno can read whatever you want it to. The track numbers exposes all things good and bad.
DUDE WHIPPLE IS KING!!! I just put a Gen5 Stg2 Whipple on my 22 GT and it’s freekinh amazing! I’ve ran the piss out of it pull after pull and you pull over pop the hood and put your hand on top of the blower and it’s cool actually cool! No other blower can do that !!!
Great video Jared!!! Ford released the ECM encryption to Whipple, RTR, Roush, & Ford Performance. So we didn’t have the encryption on Gen 3 Coyote engines at the equivalent time. It is only a matter of more time!!! Thanks, looking for Part II !!!!! 😄 👍👊💪😎🐎🇺🇸
Great work. I am a big fan of just running 93. I wonder if slightly bigger headers would add for horsepower. The great thing is I can wait until everything is unlocked and watching more tests unfold. This setup is pretty much maxed out I'm guessing for pump gas.
@@tylerolson5860it won't be done with these because the ecu is locked down no custom tuning available so no e85. It will be a long time before its unlocked if it ever is I have my doubts it'll ever be fully unlocked like what the s550s and before are. People just keep overlooking the tuning thing thinking they'll "figure it out" the thing is gonna be extremely hard to unlock.
Impressive! I have the gen5 3.0l stage 2, billet oil pump gear on my 2015 gt. It still only has the whipple tune. Interested to see what it will make when i get ot tuned
I have been telling everyone the 24 is going to be a big surprise and boy is it great job looking forward to seeing ken bringing all the horsepower out of the true stallion 24 mustang getting it done great stuff fellas
big surprise? you mean it makes the same power as an s550 does with the same boost and mods? its the same car bro. The "surprise" is the new whipple not the new mustang.
I personally would like to see a comparison of the MT-82 from the last gen to this new S650. On a different note, not a fan of those wheels on this car. Although I love the Whipple my issue with it is that if you go this route you lose the strut tower brace which I'm more a track guy than a stright line so for me I much prefer something like the ESS Supercharger that allows me to keep the brace for better handling and less front end weight not to mention the heat soak after a while, but this is just me.
Whipple is the way to go it’s pretty heavy top-heavy on the car but the pork the only thing I don’t really like about the Whipple is the fact that it doesn’t have the old school wine that is priceless
The whine is inefficiency so what you're wanting is for it to be more inefficient lol. I know whine is cool but the reason they don't whine on coyotes is because on pump gas with a coyote it's barely even working 10-12 psi is nothing on one of these whipples. They are high compression engines that Rev high the engine does alot of the work so the blower is doing less work and it's the most efficient design they make = less whine.
Man if I was living in the US I would totally go for one of these new Mustangs. The Whipple is pretty expensive witha price tag of 10k, but it really delivers! Sadly here in Europe due to emissions the S650 makes significantly less power and I doubt that a Whipple conversion can be done in a legal way in Germany or Austria (they confiscate your car here). Best you can get here for the money is the new BMW M2, they also make great power with downpipes and a tune.
I honestly don’t think much was left on the table from Whipple. However a custom tune for an aftermarket fuel system with larger injectors on E85 will be a different story. New numbers being released this week. We got the rev limit sorted out and it’s in the 800+ rwhp range now. ☠️☠️
@@Lethalcamp 🫨🫨🫨 new numbers?!?! Hurry up with the video, don’t be holding out on us 🤣🤣 Yea as far as pump gas goes that’s probably all, but still insanely impressive…e85 and a fuel system will have that puppy movin’
Sounds like a speed limiter issue, not rev limiter, if it doesn't do it it in third gear. Does Whipple allow the Tomahawk to change axle & tire diameter like the Gen 5 in 18-23 Mustangs? You should be able to trick it with a gear/tire size change....
It’s been fixed so we’re good. Part 2 coming right up with some very inprsssive numbers. To answer your question on the Tomahawk yes it does indeed allow for changes in tire size and axle ratios. However that wasn’t the issue we ran into and we’re glad to say it no longer exists. 💪
Straight 93 or some octane booster added for safety? My gen 2 2.9 jumped from 720 to 786 whp after adding octane booster. That stock whipple calibration loves octane!
@kyle6961 sinced you asked... I EXPECT TRANSPARENCY. Mainly for the innocent people who dont know it's a refreshed S550 called a S650. Now is that too much to ask bud?
@lethalcamp any word yet what guys are using or going to use for boost gauge on the s650? Do you see ford ever doing an update for the auxiliary gauge screen or will it just have to be an old school pillar style? GREAT video by the way keep them coming!
Still not sure on that one. As much we we’d love Whipple to have the ability to calibrate a boost gauge into the factory gauges I don’t really know if that’s feasible. We may just install a mechanical/electrical one off of the port on the blower manifold which can then be ran into the car.
Quick thought about your max engine speed limit. I think you are hitting the vehicle speed limiter in 4th gear, I think you have a car without a performance pack which is limited to 145mph. The larger wheels/tires on the car are probably the reason. To do a pull in 4th I'd either reset the tire size in the BCM so it thinks the vehicle is traveling slower than it is or put the factory wheels/tires back on for the dyno work.
Thanks for your reply and insight. The rev / speed limit issue has been resolved. We'll be dropping part 2 of our dyno testing here shortly. It's in editing now. Wait till you see what this thing made once it was able to be revved out.
Impressive numbers, but I would also like to know what the numbers on a stock car would be. Obviously the modified exhaust is responsible for some of those insane numbers.
Whipple has already released dyno footage and sheets of their test car which is 100% stock. It makes more than 700rwhp on 91 octane. You’ll see more with 93 for sure and obviously adding stuff like aftermarket exhaust will increase numbers too. Hope that helps.
Easy 900 crank HP car. Pretty amazing stuff. Car companies adding electric motors to combine power to get to a reliable 1000 crank HP. Whipple and Ford doing it with a five liter and a big twin screw. Flawless victory lol And before someone says this isn't s factory setup blah blah blah, well that doesn't really matter. This is easy HP no matter how you cut it.
I haven't seen anyone saying you need dual TB to make power. What i've been saying is whipple took the cheaper/easier way out. It will be interesting to see if VMP can make the dual throttle bodies work with a PD blower. Almost 800whp is impressive though and no, it doesn't look that bad. I prefer the old school look of the whipple SC i guess. Looking for a 03 cobra to mod now. not a fan of these new mustangs.
Just to clarify VMP won’t be releasing a dual throttle body kit. The irony in this is pretty funny but you’ll see for yourself shortly. I’m unable to speak about this any further at the moment. Let us know if there anything else we can help you with in the meantime. Thanks!
Cletus McFarland makes 1100hp and almost 1000tq to the tires in his F150 with Coyote with Gen 6 Whipple through a 10spd auto AWD. You have much catching up to do.
Cletus’s truck is a 2020 which has a lot more capabilities for custom tuning at the moment. That played a big role in the type of power that truck makes. The ability to run a full return style fuel system, larger injectors and E85 are imperative to being able to make and support that type of power. We did the same thing with our 2018 mustang GT which made over 1100rwhp with a pre production Gen 5 3.0l whipple. However on that car custom tuning available as well to where we could run an aftermarket fuel system, injectors and E85. This car currently runs the stock fuel pump assembly with one of our fuel pump boosters and the supplied 55lb injectors that come with the Whipple kit. The calibration is done by Whipple and will be 50 state legal once it goes through the approval process. I’m sure as time goes on with the s650 platform we will be able to push it harder just like we did with our 2018 car and what Cletus did with his truck.
What I find interesting is people bang all over the ecoboost because it's a turbo 4 cylinder but get all wet over the whipple supercharger. Sure it pumps out more power but it's a turbocharger!
With all the torque reduction. The car probably doesn’t see wot until 80 mph. The whipple calibrations suck stock and you won’t be able to put a good tune on the car unless you have access from ford what’s the point of 740whp if you’re not making 700whp until 90mph
Is it true that octane was added to the car? I really don't mind, and I hope it was if you are increasing the boost with a pulley. I wouldn't want you or anyone to hurt a motor without a calibration specified for additional boost. Ken with respect is a calibrator, but the public should know. That being stated as you are promoting a part that you sell.
Octane booster was not used for these or previous dyno testing. Part 2 which hasn’t been released yet used 93 with some Octanium unleaded. We finally got to rev it out to 7800 in 4th with both the 3.75” and 3.625” pulleys and the results are impressive. That video should be released shortly.
So we don't need Tuning shops anymore? Is that what this video is pushing? I can just buy this kit, install it myself and expect same numbers from factory whipple calibration?
Never really said we don’t need tuning shops as that’s certainly not the case. Whipple however did an amazing job with this kit and it’s calibration. It’s their most advanced calibration they’ve ever made and it took a ton of testing and expertise for that to happen. If you’ve followed the build you’ll see that we do have headers and exhaust on the car. So for you to make similar power as we did you would need those in addition to just the kit to replicate these numbers. Going forward hopefully we have the ability to tune them for things such as aftermarket fuel systems and injectors so we can run e85 as that’s where the true potential of this kit will shine.
@@Lethalcamp ThankYou for proving my point. It seems you guys are working yourselves out of a job like in refinery work, and you are doing it with a big smile on your face. Instead of resisting the product that is pushing non tuning capabilities. Hope you guys making a deal with whipple unlike hoping to get E85 calibrating access from Ford.
In your 2024 Mustang GT project, to which you placed a supercharger, short axles, header and other parts, do you plan to change the differential? Can you install an oil separator and a Mishimoto universal thermostatic oil cooler kit, 25 rows? Thank you.
We have no plans to change the differential at the moment. The car currently has UPR's Dual Catch Can oil separator for the 2024 Mustang GT's, which is slightly modified to fit with the Whipple Supercharger (slightly different hose routing). They will be releasing a version for the Whipple Supercharger cars here shortly. At the moment, since we do not plan to road course the car or give it any long durations of high rpm, oil temperatures aren't too much of a concern. Of course it's something we will monitor once we do hit the drag strip or do some hard driving.
@@Lethalcamp In a Steeda video, they fitted a Whipple supercharger and a Roush Mustang Max Cooling Upgrade system to a Mustang Mach 1, it seemed like a perfect adaptation to me.
781 Horsepower on pump. gas is impressive. Lethal Performance and Palm beach are two of the best when it comes to creating horsepower with a Coyote based engine. I believe the Gen 4 Coyote has so much high revving, horsepower potential when after market tunes become available.
@@eliteghost0001this I don't understand why people can't see this car is not an upgrade at all potential wise its actually a step back because of tuning. It will be a long long time before tuning is available outside of Ford approved tunes if it EVER happens at all (which wouldn't surprise me at all at this point). This thing is locked up tight and it may not ever be fully tunable. Even if it was it's basically same as an s550. Even rides on the same chassis. It's the most disappointing "all new" mustang ever made imo. Never before has an all new mustang been this much like the precious model going as far as riding on the same s550 chassis. It looks almost the same from the side. They prob take the same side mirrors they sure look alot alike. These companies keep hyping it up to sell parts and all of yall buy into it hook line and sinker. If this car runs an s550 custom tuned similar setup in the same power range the s550 will smoke it because there is more to it than peak power. These overly conservative Ford approved tunes are always super lazy feeling and performing compared to a real tune even if peak hp is similar. The tuning thing REALLY holds these cars back and people refuse to see the light. They're willing to put up with whatever to have the latest greatest mustang when you could just buy an s550 for way less money and have the same thing with more potential. Just because it's newer don't mean better. Think for yourself.
@@midnight347 honestly it’s because people aren’t very bright and believe whatever the big corp says. I’m sick of it just like you. Videos like this only play into it. It’s disingenuous and they know it. They don’t care though because as long as “product A” sells, they don’t care. The car is pretty much the exact same with more limitations as you said. It’s a clown world man
You gotta love TH-cam hotrodders. They do crazy shit so we don't have to. I don't think that motor will live more than a few months before it goes boom, it will be a lot of fun before then.
Why would it go boom? It has a super conservative Whipple tune on it them being overly conservative is why "Ford approved" tunes suck which is why the s650 sucks among other reasons.
@midnight347 If you do some research, you will find that Whipple tunes were blowing up Gen 3 Coyotes in the past. Perhaps they have learned from previous experience.
😂🎉😢😮😅😊😊😊 thanks Ken you’re the man with the plan you’re awesome keep it up with the Mustang you guys are doing awesome I like your videos and I like it when Evan was on there too. He was in those Mustang magazines about 1012 years ago I believe cause I have quite a few of him in that magazine, take care Bros
There is a cel light as Whipple doesn’t tune for headers. The MT82 is doing well so far. We’ll see how it goes once we hit the strip with it. If it doesn’t work out we have already been in contact with Calimer for a Stage 3 upgrade.
Nice BUT if you carry the 3 into the 5 and place around the 2 then divide into 4 the 5 will be more upity downity into the 6 will soon see my Gen2 Gen3R still zooming byyyyyy lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@bigpower7777 my 2018 GT with the stock motor and only an oil pump gear and crank sprocket made over 1100rwhp with a pre-production Gen 5 Whipple. Went 8.64@157 and cut 1.27 60fts like nothing. That however was done on E85 with a full return system, larger injectors, built trans, converter and custom tuning. Hard to compare that car or Cletus’s truck to this one as this 2024 is a pretty basic setup. This is only the beginning so let’s see what she can do as we move along with the build.
To be honest I really don’t like driving that fast on the street. No promises but we’ll see. With that said this car will indeed be hitting the drag strip which should make things pretty clear of what type of power the car is making and it’s capabilities. Although I suck at driving manuals. I’d much rather take my Darkhorse with the 10 speed down the track once the blower goes on it. Those 10 speeds drive so well and are much easier to launch and take down the track.
As someone who has blown up a coyote because they were on 93 octane, this is stupid. If these numbers were made on 93 octane, it probably wasn't safe to daily drive. Because 93 octane at one gas station, isn't 93 octane at another. And you're just rolling the dice on blowing up your motor. The motor is still 12:1 compression, and engine knock didn't magically vanish in 2024. I have a feeling real world dyno numbers will be much more tame.
@@169abr I don't see why they would lie especially Ken from Palm Beach Dyno since he is a tuner and the better the Whipple tune does the less likely people would want any custom tuning once the ECU's are unlocked.
Most of the parts for our build were gifted to us from our amazing partners in the industry. However if you wanted to see what retail cost on all of the items we used for our build come out to check the link below as we list it all on our 2024 mustang build page. www.lethalperformance.com/info/lethal-s650-build-plans
Not sure. We’ll run it till it breaks and rebuild it better and stronger. The Lethal way! Hoping that it holds up for a bunch of passes at the track though. Over the years we’ve actually had really good success with the MT82. Ran the piss out of our 2011 car and went low 10’s with it. Went 9.70’s in our 2015 MT82 car as well and never had an issue. We’ll see.
Boy am I sold. It has teen a year yet and Whipple already has a supercharger kit for the s650 mustang. And over 750 whp to the rear🤯😱?! If that’s on the manual what of the 10-speed Dino runs?
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Yeah, put the new whipple on your 2024, and you're going to make 650 to the tire. Why? Because you didn't read the fine print.
They put Longtubes on it, deleted the cats, and put octane booster in it. That's how they made that number. You're NOT going to make almost 800 wheel on 93 octane on a 12:1 compression motor, or its going to pop.
We've already proven that is not the case. 3 cars with the Whipple kit running the stock manifolds and cats have made from 735-760rwhp with the blower alone on 93 ONLY. All of them using the 3.75" pulley and all done locally on the same dyno at PBD.
That sounds impressive but I will hold my thoughts until we see track numbers. I just don’t I personally dont trust dyno numbers any more. Too many people in this industry do things to promote a product vs being truthful. A dyno can read whatever you want it to. The track numbers exposes all things good and bad.
Feel the same way
It runs high 11’s. Very impressive😂
@@dansherwood9851runs 12s brotha 😭💀
Oh my goodness. It’s almost as fast as my 6.2 denalli. That’s a wowser.
@@dansherwood9851 could've been a chevy but theh dont make the Camaro no moe🤣
I'll hold all my comments till after it makes a quarter mile past at the track, then we will see that trap speed in the quarter mile
They should be able to trap low 140s if everything is working well I’d think.
indeed.
Lets see a 3.0 whupple on a stock 5.0 with oil pump gears ran 9.2 but has a built 10 speed and lund tuned made 1100 whp
I seen one at the test n tune with same setup. It was unbelievable. It ran high 11’s. I was really impressed😮
@@commycomentor9695so 10s pass
DUDE WHIPPLE IS KING!!! I just put a Gen5 Stg2 Whipple on my 22 GT and it’s freekinh amazing! I’ve ran the piss out of it pull after pull and you pull over pop the hood and put your hand on top of the blower and it’s cool actually cool! No other blower can do that !!!
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May I ask what the price ran you?
Great video Jared!!! Ford released the ECM encryption to Whipple, RTR, Roush, & Ford Performance. So we didn’t have the encryption on Gen 3 Coyote engines at the equivalent time. It is only a matter of more time!!!
Thanks, looking for Part II !!!!! 😄
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Wow, that beat my expectations. Nice work gents and looking forward to Part 2!!
Great work. I am a big fan of just running 93. I wonder if slightly bigger headers would add for horsepower. The great thing is I can wait until everything is unlocked and watching more tests unfold. This setup is pretty much maxed out I'm guessing for pump gas.
50-state legal supercharger with 0-state illegal long tube headers. The irony in that.
Now imagine the potential with a custom tune, hopefully they unlock the ecu this year
John Lund uses HP tuners on his with stock computer
They won't unfortunately it will take 3 years
@@edddiaz4202 yeah, but now that the Whipple tuning file is out maybe they can somehow use it to gain access to the ecu.
@@sneezinhatch pretty sure Jr.'s got the car tuned with their LRX now.
@@sneezinhatch Lund doesn’t own a 2024 though. At the moment HP tuners and SCT don’t offer support for the 24’s.
Thanks guys! I’m dying for a tune on my dark horse. Great numbers, I bet close to 900 whp on e
Not with just a super charger
@@robertstoute3944 why? LOL whipple gen3s make 900 on E with ease. Its been done a zillion times.
With a cystom tune @@tylerolson5860
@@tylerolson5860it won't be done with these because the ecu is locked down no custom tuning available so no e85. It will be a long time before its unlocked if it ever is I have my doubts it'll ever be fully unlocked like what the s550s and before are. People just keep overlooking the tuning thing thinking they'll "figure it out" the thing is gonna be extremely hard to unlock.
@@midnight347 agree 1000% look how look it took for a C8 solution.
Impressive! I have the gen5 3.0l stage 2, billet oil pump gear on my 2015 gt. It still only has the whipple tune. Interested to see what it will make when i get ot tuned
I have been telling everyone the 24 is going to be a big surprise and boy is it great job looking forward to seeing ken bringing all the horsepower out of the true stallion 24 mustang getting it done great stuff fellas
*Ken isn’t doing anything it’s on a Whipple tune*
@@SupremeVsualshe didn’t say ken did a great job on the tune, he said he’s “looking forward to seeing” what he does whenever he can
You know this is bullshit right?
big surprise? you mean it makes the same power as an s550 does with the same boost and mods? its the same car bro. The "surprise" is the new whipple not the new mustang.
These whipple salesman are doing a great job convincing S650 fans.
Cool to see that Old Guys still rule.
I personally would like to see a comparison of the MT-82 from the last gen to this new S650. On a different note, not a fan of those wheels on this car. Although I love the Whipple my issue with it is that if you go this route you lose the strut tower brace which I'm more a track guy than a stright line so for me I much prefer something like the ESS Supercharger that allows me to keep the brace for better handling and less front end weight not to mention the heat soak after a while, but this is just me.
Last muscle car standing 💪🏼
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Whipple is the way to go it’s pretty heavy top-heavy on the car but the pork the only thing I don’t really like about the Whipple is the fact that it doesn’t have the old school wine that is priceless
The whine is inefficiency so what you're wanting is for it to be more inefficient lol. I know whine is cool but the reason they don't whine on coyotes is because on pump gas with a coyote it's barely even working 10-12 psi is nothing on one of these whipples. They are high compression engines that Rev high the engine does alot of the work so the blower is doing less work and it's the most efficient design they make = less whine.
it's a factory speed limiter, because most likely the tires that came on the vehicle are only rated for 155 miles an hour. that's my guess.
Okayyy, we Ready for Part 2 😮💨
Lebanon Ford sells a new 2024 Mustang with a Whipple that produces 810 HP for $49,995 with a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty.
Man if I was living in the US I would totally go for one of these new Mustangs. The Whipple is pretty expensive witha price tag of 10k, but it really delivers! Sadly here in Europe due to emissions the S650 makes significantly less power and I doubt that a Whipple conversion can be done in a legal way in Germany or Austria (they confiscate your car here). Best you can get here for the money is the new BMW M2, they also make great power with downpipes and a tune.
Whipple power 💪 would be very interesting to see what improvements could be had with custom tuning
I honestly don’t think much was left on the table from Whipple. However a custom tune for an aftermarket fuel system with larger injectors on E85 will be a different story. New numbers being released this week. We got the rev limit sorted out and it’s in the 800+ rwhp range now. ☠️☠️
@@Lethalcamp 🫨🫨🫨 new numbers?!?! Hurry up with the video, don’t be holding out on us 🤣🤣
Yea as far as pump gas goes that’s probably all, but still insanely impressive…e85 and a fuel system will have that puppy movin’
When did ZZTop start dyno tuning?
Sounds like a speed limiter issue, not rev limiter, if it doesn't do it it in third gear. Does Whipple allow the Tomahawk to change axle & tire diameter like the Gen 5 in 18-23 Mustangs? You should be able to trick it with a gear/tire size change....
It’s been fixed so we’re good. Part 2 coming right up with some very inprsssive numbers. To answer your question on the Tomahawk yes it does indeed allow for changes in tire size and axle ratios. However that wasn’t the issue we ran into and we’re glad to say it no longer exists. 💪
Wow totally impressive numbers, and it's only scratching the surface, it has way potential left in it, can't
wait to see more, awesome guys.
Straight 93 or some octane booster added for safety?
My gen 2 2.9 jumped from 720 to 786 whp after adding octane booster. That stock whipple calibration loves octane!
These runs were on pump 93. Part 2 where we are finally able to rev it to the limiter and put a smaller pulley on use 93 with some VP Octanium.
I'll be putting this on my Dark Horse. Can't wait!
VMT is also getting 810 RWHP AND WITH THE 10 SPEED AUTO THEY RAN 9.99 143 MPH
So no difference from the S550?
What did you expect? It’s not a whole engine refresh it’s got minor adjustments, it was mostly a styling upgrade rather then engine
@kyle6961 sinced you asked... I EXPECT TRANSPARENCY. Mainly for the innocent people who dont know it's a refreshed S550 called a S650. Now is that too much to ask bud?
@lethalcamp any word yet what guys are using or going to use for boost gauge on the s650? Do you see ford ever doing an update for the auxiliary gauge screen or will it just have to be an old school pillar style? GREAT video by the way keep them coming!
Still not sure on that one. As much we we’d love Whipple to have the ability to calibrate a boost gauge into the factory gauges I don’t really know if that’s feasible. We may just install a mechanical/electrical one off of the port on the blower manifold which can then be ran into the car.
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Quick thought about your max engine speed limit. I think you are hitting the vehicle speed limiter in 4th gear, I think you have a car without a performance pack which is limited to 145mph. The larger wheels/tires on the car are probably the reason. To do a pull in 4th I'd either reset the tire size in the BCM so it thinks the vehicle is traveling slower than it is or put the factory wheels/tires back on for the dyno work.
Thanks for your reply and insight. The rev / speed limit issue has been resolved. We'll be dropping part 2 of our dyno testing here shortly. It's in editing now. Wait till you see what this thing made once it was able to be revved out.
Impressive numbers, but I would also like to know what the numbers on a stock car would be. Obviously the modified exhaust is responsible for some of those insane numbers.
Whipple has already released dyno footage and sheets of their test car which is 100% stock. It makes more than 700rwhp on 91 octane. You’ll see more with 93 for sure and obviously adding stuff like aftermarket exhaust will increase numbers too. Hope that helps.
Nice! Dark Horse with a PBD tune is in my future!
Epic gents. Man that is awesome! I'm a turbo guy at heart but can't knock the whipple power curve. Stoked to get my kit in for the DH!
Good heads plus boost that hold up across RPM.
Easy 900 crank HP car. Pretty amazing stuff.
Car companies adding electric motors to combine power to get to a reliable 1000 crank HP. Whipple and Ford doing it with a five liter and a big twin screw.
Flawless victory lol
And before someone says this isn't s factory setup blah blah blah, well that doesn't really matter. This is easy HP no matter how you cut it.
I haven't seen anyone saying you need dual TB to make power. What i've been saying is whipple took the cheaper/easier way out. It will be interesting to see if VMP can make the dual throttle bodies work with a PD blower. Almost 800whp is impressive though and no, it doesn't look that bad. I prefer the old school look of the whipple SC i guess. Looking for a 03 cobra to mod now. not a fan of these new mustangs.
Just to clarify VMP won’t be releasing a dual throttle body kit. The irony in this is pretty funny but you’ll see for yourself shortly. I’m unable to speak about this any further at the moment. Let us know if there anything else we can help you with in the meantime. Thanks!
Sick freaking color dude😍😍😍
Thank you!
I have a question, how long would this last at stock engine internals? Would there be any need to upgrade rods/pistons?
So it’s making what Gen 3 made? Nice
Definitely doing this to my s650.. saving up now for it 😩
Freaking amazing!!!!
Great job fellas. amazing power. Cant wait
Cletus McFarland makes 1100hp and almost 1000tq to the tires in his F150 with Coyote with Gen 6 Whipple through a 10spd auto AWD. You have much catching up to do.
Cletus’s truck is a 2020 which has a lot more capabilities for custom tuning at the moment. That played a big role in the type of power that truck makes. The ability to run a full return style fuel system, larger injectors and E85 are imperative to being able to make and support that type of power. We did the same thing with our 2018 mustang GT which made over 1100rwhp with a pre production Gen 5 3.0l whipple. However on that car custom tuning available as well to where we could run an aftermarket fuel system, injectors and E85.
This car currently runs the stock fuel pump assembly with one of our fuel pump boosters and the supplied 55lb injectors that come with the Whipple kit. The calibration is done by Whipple and will be 50 state legal once it goes through the approval process.
I’m sure as time goes on with the s650 platform we will be able to push it harder just like we did with our 2018 car and what Cletus did with his truck.
Imagine when the twin turbo kits come out 🎉
Wow, I’m floored.
Insane rwhp with a tune but with the cost of a dark horse and supercharged I'll rather have a gt500 spending the same money great video
that MT 82 isn't gonna last very long at that power level.
WOW!!! 700 plus horsepower!!!
Damn… Wouldn’t you like to see one of those strapped to a bagged performance pack S650🥰
What I find interesting is people bang all over the ecoboost because it's a turbo 4 cylinder but get all wet over the whipple supercharger. Sure it pumps out more power but it's a turbocharger!
Man oh man when does mine get built😎. Ordered mine in December can’t wait to put her on my DH.
With all the torque reduction. The car probably doesn’t see wot until 80 mph. The whipple calibrations suck stock and you won’t be able to put a good tune on the car unless you have access from ford what’s the point of 740whp if you’re not making 700whp until 90mph
The whipple is a gift from god. Mr doubled his power. Hellcat power in a smaller chassis😖
YAH BRAHHH! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻 GREAT JOB 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Did you still need to do oil pump gears and crank sprocket or did ford fix that weak point? Thanks
Is it true that octane was added to the car? I really don't mind, and I hope it was if you are increasing the boost with a pulley. I wouldn't want you or anyone to hurt a motor without a calibration specified for additional boost. Ken with respect is a calibrator, but the public should know. That being stated as you are promoting a part that you sell.
Octane booster was not used for these or previous dyno testing. Part 2 which hasn’t been released yet used 93 with some Octanium unleaded. We finally got to rev it out to 7800 in 4th with both the 3.75” and 3.625” pulleys and the results are impressive. That video should be released shortly.
Thank you for the clarification. I look forward to that content for my viewing pleasure.
@@Lethalcamp looking back at the graphs I'd imagine 815 rev out and 836-840 on octane booster no tune changes.
So we don't need Tuning shops anymore? Is that what this video is pushing? I can just buy this kit, install it myself and expect same numbers from factory whipple calibration?
Never really said we don’t need tuning shops as that’s certainly not the case. Whipple however did an amazing job with this kit and it’s calibration. It’s their most advanced calibration they’ve ever made and it took a ton of testing and expertise for that to happen. If you’ve followed the build you’ll see that we do have headers and exhaust on the car. So for you to make similar power as we did you would need those in addition to just the kit to replicate these numbers.
Going forward hopefully we have the ability to tune them for things such as aftermarket fuel systems and injectors so we can run e85 as that’s where the true potential of this kit will shine.
@@Lethalcamp ThankYou for proving my point. It seems you guys are working yourselves out of a job like in refinery work, and you are doing it with a big smile on your face. Instead of resisting the product that is pushing non tuning capabilities. Hope you guys making a deal with whipple unlike hoping to get E85 calibrating access from Ford.
In your 2024 Mustang GT project, to which you placed a supercharger, short axles, header and other parts, do you plan to change the differential? Can you install an oil separator and a Mishimoto universal thermostatic oil cooler kit, 25 rows? Thank you.
We have no plans to change the differential at the moment.
The car currently has UPR's Dual Catch Can oil separator for the 2024 Mustang GT's, which is slightly modified to fit with the Whipple Supercharger (slightly different hose routing). They will be releasing a version for the Whipple Supercharger cars here shortly.
At the moment, since we do not plan to road course the car or give it any long durations of high rpm, oil temperatures aren't too much of a concern. Of course it's something we will monitor once we do hit the drag strip or do some hard driving.
@@Lethalcamp In a Steeda video, they fitted a Whipple supercharger and a Roush Mustang Max Cooling Upgrade system to a Mustang Mach 1, it seemed like a perfect adaptation to me.
How will the stock motor hold up to that boost
781 Horsepower on pump. gas is impressive. Lethal Performance and Palm beach are two of the best when it comes to creating horsepower with a Coyote based engine. I believe the Gen 4 Coyote has so much high revving, horsepower potential when after market tunes become available.
yup, the exact same potential as an s550 (which is already tuneable)
In 3rd gear which isn't 1:1
@@eliteghost0001this I don't understand why people can't see this car is not an upgrade at all potential wise its actually a step back because of tuning. It will be a long long time before tuning is available outside of Ford approved tunes if it EVER happens at all (which wouldn't surprise me at all at this point). This thing is locked up tight and it may not ever be fully tunable. Even if it was it's basically same as an s550. Even rides on the same chassis. It's the most disappointing "all new" mustang ever made imo. Never before has an all new mustang been this much like the precious model going as far as riding on the same s550 chassis. It looks almost the same from the side. They prob take the same side mirrors they sure look alot alike. These companies keep hyping it up to sell parts and all of yall buy into it hook line and sinker. If this car runs an s550 custom tuned similar setup in the same power range the s550 will smoke it because there is more to it than peak power. These overly conservative Ford approved tunes are always super lazy feeling and performing compared to a real tune even if peak hp is similar. The tuning thing REALLY holds these cars back and people refuse to see the light. They're willing to put up with whatever to have the latest greatest mustang when you could just buy an s550 for way less money and have the same thing with more potential. Just because it's newer don't mean better. Think for yourself.
@@midnight347 honestly it’s because people aren’t very bright and believe whatever the big corp says. I’m sick of it just like you. Videos like this only play into it. It’s disingenuous and they know it. They don’t care though because as long as “product A” sells, they don’t care. The car is pretty much the exact same with more limitations as you said. It’s a clown world man
You gotta love TH-cam hotrodders. They do crazy shit so we don't have to. I don't think that motor will live more than a few months before it goes boom, it will be a lot of fun before then.
Why would it go boom? It has a super conservative Whipple tune on it them being overly conservative is why "Ford approved" tunes suck which is why the s650 sucks among other reasons.
@midnight347 If you do some research, you will find that Whipple tunes were blowing up Gen 3 Coyotes in the past. Perhaps they have learned from previous experience.
Whipple FTW!!
😂🎉😢😮😅😊😊😊 thanks Ken you’re the man with the plan you’re awesome keep it up with the Mustang you guys are doing awesome I like your videos and I like it when Evan was on there too. He was in those Mustang magazines about 1012 years ago I believe cause I have quite a few of him in that magazine, take care Bros
I'm curious how the Whipple tune does with headers and catles downpipes? id imagine there's a CEL on. also wonder how the MT82 will hold up?
There is a cel light as Whipple doesn’t tune for headers. The MT82 is doing well so far. We’ll see how it goes once we hit the strip with it. If it doesn’t work out we have already been in contact with Calimer for a Stage 3 upgrade.
You just saw how it does with LTH and no cats....
Nice BUT if you carry the 3 into the 5 and place around the 2 then divide into 4 the 5 will be more upity downity into the 6 will soon see my Gen2 Gen3R still zooming byyyyyy lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The new F150 single cab driven by Cleetus makes 1000+ hp with that whipple. Coyote+whip makes a great combo 😎
Just to clarify, it’s not a 2024 F150.
@@mikablep2369 your right it’s like a 2020, but still has coyote in it making 1100 ponies 😎
@@bigpower7777 my 2018 GT with the stock motor and only an oil pump gear and crank sprocket made over 1100rwhp with a pre-production Gen 5 Whipple. Went 8.64@157 and cut 1.27 60fts like nothing. That however was done on E85 with a full return system, larger injectors, built trans, converter and custom tuning. Hard to compare that car or Cletus’s truck to this one as this 2024 is a pretty basic setup. This is only the beginning so let’s see what she can do as we move along with the build.
@@Lethalcamp that’s great! Can’t wait to see the progress. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Well done Jared and Dustin!! ❤❤
When are they saying this package will be available
We all knew Whipple would be able to tune them. That much was known before the car was released. Can PBD tune it?
Damn Jared! That Gray Has just taken over your beard man!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Getting prepared early for Christmas 🤶
Very cool! Running that much hp on 93 octane and no knock?
All of the datalogs looked great. We didn’t have any issues with knock or the car pulling timing.
The Octane booster helped with that. This is a 650 - 680 car on 93
Have you Dynoed any with the 10 speed auto
With the supercharger added will this mustang keep up with a c8 zo6 or would be faster than the c8 zo6?
It will beat a C8 Z06 pretty handily, as shown by our man StreetSpeed717 here: th-cam.com/video/VjUR9HkvIME/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VN5SaADr3K5Zp0_I&t=390
Will you do a dragy video next ??
To be honest I really don’t like driving that fast on the street. No promises but we’ll see. With that said this car will indeed be hitting the drag strip which should make things pretty clear of what type of power the car is making and it’s capabilities. Although I suck at driving manuals. I’d much rather take my Darkhorse with the 10 speed down the track once the blower goes on it. Those 10 speeds drive so well and are much easier to launch and take down the track.
So all it’s proving is the Gen 6 Whipple is better than the Gen 5 on any platform.
Making demon 170 pump gas power with half the boost.
What engine in these? Gen 4 Coyote?
Yes it's the gen 4 coyote.
@@Lethalcamp Thanks.
Wanna quarter mile run.....
It’s coming. Just waiting on a private rental to pop up and we’re there.
As someone who has blown up a coyote because they were on 93 octane, this is stupid. If these numbers were made on 93 octane, it probably wasn't safe to daily drive. Because 93 octane at one gas station, isn't 93 octane at another. And you're just rolling the dice on blowing up your motor. The motor is still 12:1 compression, and engine knock didn't magically vanish in 2024. I have a feeling real world dyno numbers will be much more tame.
for real tho, that must have been the spiciest 93 octane ever sold lol
Ain’t no way they did this without octane booster lol
@@169abr I don't see why they would lie especially Ken from Palm Beach Dyno since he is a tuner and the better the Whipple tune does the less likely people would want any custom tuning once the ECU's are unlocked.
@@sd24734 they’ve admitted it had octane booster in it… they lied for clout.
Could you elaberate how Whipple was able to tune these Mustangs they supposedly have their ECUs locked?
Ford works with Whipple and allowed them to unlock and tune.
That's what I was starting to suspect. @@Zerogivengarage
Where are we on total $$ so far?
Most of the parts for our build were gifted to us from our amazing partners in the industry. However if you wanted to see what retail cost on all of the items we used for our build come out to check the link below as we list it all on our 2024 mustang build page.
www.lethalperformance.com/info/lethal-s650-build-plans
with a MT82 trans???? what's your guess before MT82 explodes?
Not sure. We’ll run it till it breaks and rebuild it better and stronger. The Lethal way! Hoping that it holds up for a bunch of passes at the track though. Over the years we’ve actually had really good success with the MT82. Ran the piss out of our 2011 car and went low 10’s with it. Went 9.70’s in our 2015 MT82 car as well and never had an issue. We’ll see.
@@Lethalcampisn't 5th gear the 1:1 ratio for dyno testing?
Is Whipple and Ford going to provide an e85 tune?
All of a sudden i want a dark horse
gotta love whipple ots tunes.
Did you do oil gears or are they not needed?
How bout them knock sensors.? 🤔
Holy crap it made custom tune Gen2 numbers LOL
I ain’t trusting pbd dyno for shit. Let alone after rob left. Get it to the track and show us trap mph.
What gearing does it have for it to run 4th gear to 160!?
We have 3.73’s and 4th is the 1:1 gear ratio for this model MT82 trans.
Lets see if the tic (bad block) shows up to the party first .😮
What about an automatic transmission?
Our Dark Horse is an auto and we will be installing that one here soon so we will have numbers for it.
So all the stuff thats done to this stang, how much money spent to get to 780. 10 grand probably.
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What would be the max speed with all the moods on ?
It's hard to say. The power should easily push it past 200mph, however, I'm fairly certain we'll never get it up that high due to the risk.
Boy am I sold. It has teen a year yet and Whipple already has a supercharger kit for the s650 mustang. And over 750 whp to the rear🤯😱?! If that’s on the manual what of the 10-speed Dino runs?
how much power do these motors handle even with decent tuning?
Probably 1000whp if not a little bit more
Over 1000rwhp
4:16 AND FORD STILL PUTS THE MT82 IN, OH MY WORD!! 🙆🙇
Does it have a crank support?
No it does not. Stock lower setup without a crank support at the moment.