This channel is getting exponentially more silly and contrived with each video. It looks like the guy tries hard to squeeze a cause for outrage out of anything even if there's none whatsoever Dunno, maybe it's normal for him and this is his entire goal, generating outrage from online justice warriors. I thought this was actually a Linux news channel, maybe I'm the silly one for making that assumption
Once per year, I'm not going to complain about that. Even if you couldn't turn it off, that's reasonable (and I HATE nagging popups, e.g. Firefox's constant update nag).
I'm glad they did it in such a respectful way too. Always support free software - just because it's free to acquire, doesn't mean it's free to produce.
@@CyrilCommando did you had bad experience? I had very positive, both in feature and bug report. Just get ready to wait, they sloooooooow. But hey, its free, cant complain xD
naah, 2020-24 was the period of time when trust was kiled so utterly to its gonna take decades for free and open source softwares to gain back... software code is made political, and unless its explicitly and unapologitically apolitical even when its very inconvenient i dont gonna give asingle dime.
Wait? KDE has run on roundabout €100k a year? That is absolutely nothing for the product quality. And damn good progress in the last couple of years! I'll def. Donate if they keep it once a year. Just for the respect they show with it.
You’ve got it. I was watching an interview to Nate Graham a few days ago where he says even he is surprised of how much quality work they are able to achieve with so little funding.
ublock origin has a "block element" functionality which can take care of this. Otherwise, click "I already donated" and it will hide for a whole week lol. They're too biassed to deserve donations.
As long as it's non invasive, stuff like buy me a coffee or a clean donate with tiers or any amount are great. People know it takes time and effort to develop the software. Specially if the developers often pour and maintain great features. BUT if I donate, I would like to know the money go to actually buy those people coffee or ease their work NOT be invested in some political idea that never got mentioned on the donation page.
This is why I don't donate to most projects. Time and again it's 'help us work!' and 6 months later they donate $1M to a bunch of -insert socially destructive programs-.
Oh yeah, I just donated them, as I use KDE Plasma with much pleasure for years now on Arch. I always loved KDE and I'm happy I can help. I much rather donate FLOSS project than buy commercial software TBH.
I should go back to donating. I used to donate yearly to some open-source projects, but I cut then off when they started going all in on the cod of conduct and hating straight White men. I'll need to figure out projects who don't do that.
it's honestly getting hard to not use *something*, from game engines, games, DEs, distros etc, I get the principles but like come on man, build Gentoo from scratch? use BSD? be forced to like a selection of 4 games with Commodore 64 graphics? don't enjoy new hardware? don't want to like things? sit down and bitch all day 24/7? if your not programming your own solutions from scratch then you are a part of the problem? all those things you had no problem enjoying using? yeah, don't use any of them either because such and such I'm starting to sense an air of hypocrisy with all these inferences
KDE is far from perfect, but it is overall a very good desktop environment and I enjoyed using it for the past two years. I like Plasma, Dolphin and Okular quite a lot, so donating to them, even if its just a bit, seems like a no brainer. I think their claim that most people don't follow their social media channels very closely and never heard about their fundraisers is absolutely true. Considering this and the need for funding beyond large corporate one-time donations, I really like the way they went and I am glad it seems to be working out for now. I hope that money is well spent continuing to improve the KDE desktop experience
" think their claim that most people don't follow their social media channels very closely and never heard about their fundraisers is absolutely true" I agree here, but I vehemently disagree that "most people don't know that you can donate". Not a single person would be surprised that they would take free money... Everyone takes free money.
I've been running KDE for years now. This was so unobtrusive that I didn't even notice it until I saw this video, then I went into my notifications and... there it was. I had to be told to go look for the notification to even see it.
I've been using KDE over a few different operating systems for years. This video surprised me because I thought they would be raking in the cash because they've always had badass looking desktops. I don't mind the popup and wish them the very best.
I’m glad to hear it’s working well for them as kde of the last few years have really kicked in to gear and hopefully more major distros use kde as the default desktop
If you do evil, you will become multi-billion dollar company. If you do good, your ceiling is a few million dollars a year. That's how our world works.
If any of the developers are reading these comments, as a recently returning KDE user (been awhile since I used it much and it is feeling 100x more polished!) I agree with everything he said! I saw the pop-up the other day and absolutely would not mind seeing it once a month! Those who want to donate and have the means can, and those who don't want to donate or don't have the means won't. Aannnd we can turn it off any time we want? There's nothing at all to complain about here!
My best friend took the dive from windows to Linux a few months ago. I set him up with KDE for familiarity. He got the nag the other day, said it didn’t bother him. That’s the biggest outcome of this. People aren’t being harassed.
Why you should donate: If they financially depend on you then they can never deceive you. This doesn't work with other companies like Microsoft because they have other large incomes. KDE doesn't have other large incomes.
Once a month nag, no thanks. Something about that feels like a panhandler on a street corner. Once a year or a major version release is more then okay.
The bad nags are the software that you have already bought and paid for, but they nag you for upsales and upgrades. I have a few like that but the worst I've seen is Nero who's nag popup displays in IE launching a page that won't load in IE anymore.
There’s obviously a balance between so infrequent you don’t have enough money and so frequent that it becomes click through invisible. I kind of feel once a year will prove too little, but good to see them taking a user friendly approach.
“The Open Source Initiative-which I should point out that the Open Source Initiative doesn’t actually produce anything-it’s not to say that they’re pointless… it’s just that they don’t serve a purpose.”
I think most people are more open to things asking them for donations then say 20 years ago, as we've been bombarded by TH-camrs/Streamera letting us know that's how they make a living for the last 10-15 years. That being said, this could get annoying really fast. I think once a month would be the absolute maximum I could see that message before I considered the alternatives. Operating systems I see as the foundation, the safe space, of my system and if too many things start barking at me before I've even opened a web browser, where I expect to be attacked by ads, I'm going to be pissed. Seeing ads in Windows was a big reason I left for Linux in the first place. That being said, I did get the pop up, turned it off permanently, and went about my day unbothered. As it is currently, it's fine.
I would expand this, and add an option for distro developers to add their own donation page. Like a secondary button. Because those are the two main things people choose on linux, distro and GUI environment.
6:35 Recently the menu for disabling kde daemons has disappeared from 'systemsettings' in openSUSE. Not sure if it's a bug on my system or their deliberate design.
I couldn't agree more. KDE Plasma is by far the most refined, effective and pleasant to use of all DEs I've used in my life. The "focus" (a dev thing) is always placed in the best location, saving users a lot of mouse clicks. Brilliant UX/UI! KDE Plasma is also highly customizable AND lightweight (making it a good choice even on old computers). My go-to DE for so many years now ♥
I've used Ubuntu for over a decade (still using old version, long story). I was finding a new distro to upgrade to and Kubuntu was hands-down the best. Ubuntu's UI has become too much like a smartphone, with huge icons and text. Kubuntu preserves the "Windows XP/MacOS Classic" look with smaller text so you can fit lots of information on screen at a time. Naturally variants like Arch with KDE/Neon also were great.
I just installed CachyOS KDE Plasma rather than Kubuntu; cause I wanted a change from Ubuntu and wanted an easy Arch distro to try out, so far, so good. Also when booted up KDE 2.6 Gigs ram with Gnome 3.1 Gigs ram, so saved a few megs.
Thing is, there are so many projects but they are just pieces of the whole ( like one distro usually will come so many projects within itself) But, we would need something that can distribute the donations from all people coming from one place (that will not have fees), in order to make migration from Windows Desktop to Linux Desktop viable. And especially make easier for companies to move away from Windows and ideally office. Imagine you do not have to buy latest hardware just because the next version of OS or its update requires you to do it.
I like this feature, but the issue is that all the projects need funding, so following this model, we could get thousands of popups asking for funding, significantly impacting the usability of the Linux Desktop. Even worse is the unfairness of the system, where funding gets distributed based on how visible your application is to the end-user, not how fundamental it is to your system or how much development effort is required to develop and maintain it. I would prefer that the money gets collected by the distro maintainers, and then distributed among the developers of the software packages that are being used by the distro. But that is not without issues, either, of course. I've been a KDE user since KDE 3 and ultimately I am happy that they are balancing their budgets :)
There should be a desktop service where all donation driven software you are using can register themselves, and it shows the user a consolidated list with an option to pay directly to one or more projects. Systemd-donate, basically.
Exactly. KDE should have a settings tab to add custom ones optionally, similar to how autostart works and they can have a search option for you to check out what you want to support. I highly like the idea. It doesn't give any extra pain. If you look for it, you can turn it on/expand your list. 😊
I love KDE, through Kubuntu, they got great support for drawing tablets. But i am curious as to which other desktop has similar if not beter support for drawing tablets, and working with 3D software in general. As i am considering and wanting to go over to Linux at some point next year when my new PC has been built and windows 10 support ends. I already tried cinnamon but that just frustrates me and lacks alot of things.
I actually think anything more than once a year will see diminishing returns. This sort of thing works best when you've forgotten about it and then they hit you with "please donate." If it's too common then you'll get used to it and it will be easier to ignore.
Nagware is nagware, but this is extremely respectable nagware and hearing about this(I didn't get the notif because I haven't updated in a bit) has me donating a few bucks.
12:16 once or twice a quarter seems okay. anyhow there should also be option even now to "ask me once every ... " with configuration for blank containing: week, 2 weeks, month, 2 months, quarter, half year, annually
I don't mind this for a small number of major projects, such as KDE. But I'm scared to see when everybody else notices how effective this is and you sign in to every one of the 1000+ packages on your system begging for donations all at once. This is not something you can have everybody do and still be a good thing.
I loved KDE3, after a rough start accepted KDE4, when Plasma5 launched I walked away and went full time Enlightenment and found it infinitely superior even to KDE4. There is no Desktop more customizable than Enlightenment to the point that anyone looking at an Enlightenment desktop would not be able to identify it unless the user was using the default configuration which few do.
They evidently need the funding -- I have a reasonably powerful laptop (E1545 v5 Xeon, 32 GB RAM, NVME SSD, Nvidia Quadro M2200), and KDE 6 under Wayland runs glacially slowly. XFCE, by comparison, still honks right along. I do hope the dev team eventually figures out how to streamline and make this thing faster, 'cause a lot of my friends use KDE, and some of them are already looking at upgrading their hardware. (Many of us are retired...)
That's reasonable. Some distros have KDE minimal installs, and KDE has option to turn off all the fancy effects. It helps a lot with old computers. You can make KDE pretty slim TBH
@@progste Yup. We don't use systemd, and that makes the vulkan drivers somewhat problematic as I understand it. I could put an AMD WX4150 in, but that would be a major step-down in performance. I'm just not paying good money for a downgrade. Maybe I should figure out how to shift to the Intel UHD video that's on the processor die?
@@horusfalcon I don't know if it's possible to use the iGPU while also having the quadro available to accelerate other software but it's worth looking it up. Otherwise you could just try using kde in x11 mode or just stay on xfce.
@@progste Sounds like a good flowchart to me. The system is Optimus, so maybe Bumblebee will light up the Intel? I'm thinking about dual booting Commodore OS Vision. Fun Stuff!
It's a great idea but i think it's a little disingenuous that they don't also have a checkbox on the pop-up to 'do not sure this message again?' option. You instead have to go find the option in settings somewhere?
I'd like to see more software and websites move towards this model of asking for donations, instead of making their money through ads and selling your data.
As long as its done tastefully, I am wholly on board with these projects adding donation links/notifications as long as it doesn't impede functionality, block or distract the main focus, and can be disabled.
The great thing about this is most donations would be $5 or $10 which would add up over time, but also you would get the odd person who can afford to donate more, say $100 or so. People won't feel like they were forced into it, if they can disable the popup. My guess is that because it only shows 1 time per year most people will leave it unless they have multiple computers, then they might turn it off on the other computers which is fine. Personally I would keep it on my desktop, then turn it off on my other computers.
I had been meaning to but it kept slipping my mind, so I was glad they sent the notification I don't think the average project could have convinced me to donate but for KDE? It's on a short list. I think arch & endeavourOS I will give to next after the holiday spending wears off.
Not a KDE user; been using Gnome since the late 90's or early 2000's, later switching to Cinnamon on most of my systems. Although I dabbled with KDE before Gnome and liked it too. Latest laptop came with KDE Plasma preinstalled. Even though I'm not impressed with their panel management (I switch between docked 3-monitor and on-the-go laptop scenarios frequently), there's nothing that gives me a strong incentive to replace it, so I don't bother; it works well enough for me, and I know the clunky workaround for my main issue with it. So sure. I'll chip in a couple of bucks. I keep using it, after all. Done the same for Thunderbird, I got Linux Mint on Patreon, and occasionally donate to Wikipedia. Although the aggressive way Wikipedia asks for donations is kind of off-putting, so this year I skipped them.
I'd like to see this combined with the debian popularity contest. once a year, ask for a donation, and then it gets distributed around the various apps you use. There are issues about what should go to who. If you use a linux spinoff distro, how much should go to the distro, how much to ubuntu, etc. how do you weigh your ls usage against your firefox usage etc. Hell, you could turn it into a humble indie bundle type thing. I'm sure the community could rustle up a game or 2, some wallpapers etc.
Linux Mint has the same transparency in donations and pulls in even less. I used to send them money also once per year. The OS you use definitely deserves your money. They even accept donations in XMR I was pleasantly surprised.
I tried KDE briefly, and granted it has been several years so things might have changed by now, but it was way too resource intensive. It was like having a desktop environment designed by the Chrome team.
I use a WM instead of a DE, but Plasma was my preference back when I did, and I still use its related apps for some things, such as Dolphin, Krita, etc. If I am looking for a GUI application to do something, I typically will look in the KDE ecosystem before GNOME, unless there are significant differences in their functionality. I just wish that Qt was written in C.
All Distros should have a donation button at the Sign in page Quarterly, and have one donation button for each Application you use. This would make deveolpment way better.
I like it too! Very nice way to receive more income, but not force Ads on users like Microsoft Does, which is pure greed. KDE is being completely reasonable, as you've said. Great video!
KDE could extend their nag prompt to allow other software to register a donation request. Once per year the nag pops up with all of the donation requests. You would then be allowed to turn off requests for various pieces of software if so desired. That it better than the wild west of everyone nagging in their own way at random intervals and times.
Does Mr Lunduke like Gnome better than KDE ? Or is he talking about XFCE because as much as I love i3, awesome and fluxbox they're not in the same category (DE vs WM) ? Damn I posted this just before he mentionned XFCE/IceWM ... stupid me.
I noticed this too. But honestly, I wasn't really bothered by it. They're not a monopoly, but still need funds to keep going. I'd love to give a little bit, but money is way too tight these days. But it doesn't keep hounding you and it keeps it at a minimum, so I'm cool with it.
I like this, because you can opt out in the settings. Great work KDE on a great implementation. Every project needs development funds. I would only have a problem with this if they forced it, and did not give the option to turn it off.
I've seen videos criticizing that move. We get the software for free. Least we can do is let them nag us during the holidays. Glad that the title was misleading haha was assuming you would criticize it
Thunderbird is it's own entity separate from Mozilla? Or is it just tracked differently because they have different contribution channels, but it all goes to Mozilla in the end?
Thanks so much for this video Bryan! I'm a long time user and lover of KDE, but only donated once... 😞 That WILL change very soon! ✌ (with a monthly donation)
How many FOSS project could really do with a financial injection. Sometimes we forget that the folks doing to work behind the scenes still need to feed their families and pay the mortgage.
As long as whatever software I'm donating to is good software. I couldn't care less about politics when the result is amazing. I pay and support software and the people that make it, I don't discriminate just because you have a different view than mime.
@@nezu_cc I think you misunderstand. It's not about their views merely being different, it's about the fact that woke people do not share the same live -and-let-live philosophy. They try to destroy groups. Supporting people who are out to destroy what you love is called pathological altruism.
I know NOTHING about KDE, but it's nice to see them go the Blender route where they ask very in a very non intrusive way. Ask nicely, and ye shall receive.
If something so small contributes to vastly more donations and better software long term it's a no brainer to do it maybe once per quarter like you suggested.
Many podcasts dedicate 30s or so *every episode* to holding out their hat (even after I've subscribed) which adds up if you listen to many podcasts and it's a bit excessive (if understandable). Striking a balance between calling out your value periodically and burying users in pleas for funds is a necessary and welcome part of the world using more FLOSSoftware. The "if: good for one; then: good for all" problem is real, especially if the lesson learned is 1x/yr is good so 12x/yr is better. That said an annual call for donations isn't unreasonable, and combined with a per/release (doesn't have to be major versions, significant point releases that come out on a 2-4x/yr basis would be perfect for this sort of thing) where you'd often see a release notes or "new features" notification could also include a short "if you like this, consider supporting" blurb along with the other information would also be welcome imho.
I feel that model like Voicemeeter and Fan control is perfectly reasonable. You have trial period and then it's fully featured nagware. I'm happy to pay you as I have reason and use for your product so I don't feel like wasting money upfront on product that just plain and simple f-ing sucks.
Bryan please no - more is not better. I 100% support this popup, but if they increase the repetition rate it will turn me off, and I suspect many others.
Pretty clever of them. They let users know they can donate, but they're not forcing it or harassing anyone because you can turn it off in settings.
it should be opt in though, set during installation. Next we will have servers with tip menus each time you try to exit out of ssh.
This channel is getting exponentially more silly and contrived with each video. It looks like the guy tries hard to squeeze a cause for outrage out of anything even if there's none whatsoever
Dunno, maybe it's normal for him and this is his entire goal, generating outrage from online justice warriors. I thought this was actually a Linux news channel, maybe I'm the silly one for making that assumption
Once per year, I'm not going to complain about that. Even if you couldn't turn it off, that's reasonable (and I HATE nagging popups, e.g. Firefox's constant update nag).
no , i think what they do it perfect imo@@pluto8404
@@NJ-wb1cz Not once has Bryan said that he dislikes this change, quite the opposite actually (19:02). Where is the outrage being generated?
I'm glad they did it in such a respectful way too. Always support free software - just because it's free to acquire, doesn't mean it's free to produce.
Or maybe not because I've seen how they treat people who ask for features.
@@CyrilCommando did you had bad experience? I had very positive, both in feature and bug report. Just get ready to wait, they sloooooooow. But hey, its free, cant complain xD
@@CyrilCommandoThe effort at implementing requests is proportional to the payments for those requests.
naah, 2020-24 was the period of time when trust was kiled so utterly to its gonna take decades for free and open source softwares to gain back... software code is made political, and unless its explicitly and unapologitically apolitical even when its very inconvenient i dont gonna give asingle dime.
@@vytah Then it's not free.
If the "donation" is mandatory then it's no longer a donation...
Wait? KDE has run on roundabout €100k a year? That is absolutely nothing for the product quality. And damn good progress in the last couple of years! I'll def. Donate if they keep it once a year. Just for the respect they show with it.
I should donate to Krita for how much I'm using it. Also Blender, great pos. (piece of software)
@@CheeseOfMasters I’m sorry but I don’t think most people think of the pos acronym in that way 😅
You’ve got it. I was watching an interview to Nate Graham a few days ago where he says even he is surprised of how much quality work they are able to achieve with so little funding.
They shouldn’t get too wasteful with the money, they’re so good with it now because they have to be efficient. But if they can afford not to be lean…
@@Cr_nch Yeah, since half of them think only Point Of Sale (?)
Wikipedia could learn a lot about how to make an unobtrusive donation request.
God I hate them so much. NAGS for money, also very biased.
@@htx80nerdWhere does all that money to wikipedia even go to?
Yeah and they lie about it as well. They are well packed with cash and still state that Wikipedia gonna die any day if you don't lol
ublock origin has a "block element" functionality which can take care of this. Otherwise, click "I already donated" and it will hide for a whole week lol. They're too biassed to deserve donations.
I would NEVER donate to that cesspool.. website full of misinfo that ONLY leans one way politically
As long as it's non invasive, stuff like buy me a coffee or a clean donate with tiers or any amount are great.
People know it takes time and effort to develop the software. Specially if the developers often pour and maintain great features.
BUT if I donate, I would like to know the money go to actually buy those people coffee or ease their work NOT be invested in some political idea that never got mentioned on the donation page.
With KDE, you can actually adopt an app and specify which app the funds go to.
This is why I don't donate to most projects. Time and again it's 'help us work!' and 6 months later they donate $1M to a bunch of -insert socially destructive programs-.
@@hahahano2796 That's gnome you're talking about.
@@t3n3t No, that's linux as a whole.
Bro literally just asked politely for money and received it because they know we know they know we know they deserve it
I had to draw a (small) diagram.
Godzilla had a stroke reading this
That's the most respectable nagware implementation I've ever seen. I like it.
at this point it is a nagware but more of a reminder which i accept
KDE Plasma is basically Windows 7 2
Oh yeah, I just donated them, as I use KDE Plasma with much pleasure for years now on Arch. I always loved KDE and I'm happy I can help. I much rather donate FLOSS project than buy commercial software TBH.
Came in with my pitchfork ready, but that is actually reasonable. Nice clickbait Lunduke 7/10
I should go back to donating. I used to donate yearly to some open-source projects, but I cut then off when they started going all in on the cod of conduct and hating straight White men. I'll need to figure out projects who don't do that.
That's not just OSS lol its the entirety of the west at this point 💀
it's honestly getting hard to not use *something*, from game engines, games, DEs, distros etc, I get the principles but like come on man, build Gentoo from scratch? use BSD? be forced to like a selection of 4 games with Commodore 64 graphics? don't enjoy new hardware? don't want to like things? sit down and bitch all day 24/7? if your not programming your own solutions from scratch then you are a part of the problem?
all those things you had no problem enjoying using? yeah, don't use any of them either because such and such
I'm starting to sense an air of hypocrisy with all these inferences
@@StephenMcGregor1986he didn't say to not use them, he said not to paying them and he's right.
Honestly, I'd donate if I had the means. Stuff like this should be rewarded and encouraged.
KDE is far from perfect, but it is overall a very good desktop environment and I enjoyed using it for the past two years. I like Plasma, Dolphin and Okular quite a lot, so donating to them, even if its just a bit, seems like a no brainer. I think their claim that most people don't follow their social media channels very closely and never heard about their fundraisers is absolutely true. Considering this and the need for funding beyond large corporate one-time donations, I really like the way they went and I am glad it seems to be working out for now. I hope that money is well spent continuing to improve the KDE desktop experience
" think their claim that most people don't follow their social media channels very closely and never heard about their fundraisers is absolutely true"
I agree here, but I vehemently disagree that "most people don't know that you can donate".
Not a single person would be surprised that they would take free money... Everyone takes free money.
I'm definitely going to donate. I love KDE and want to help sustain it.
I've been running KDE for years now. This was so unobtrusive that I didn't even notice it until I saw this video, then I went into my notifications and... there it was. I had to be told to go look for the notification to even see it.
I've been using KDE over a few different operating systems for years. This video surprised me because I thought they would be raking in the cash because they've always had badass looking desktops. I don't mind the popup and wish them the very best.
KDE is one of the best things ever so i guess it is fair
"That's not to say they are pointless, but they don't actually serve a purpose"
x'D
I’m glad to hear it’s working well for them as kde of the last few years have really kicked in to gear and hopefully more major distros use kde as the default desktop
If you do evil, you will become multi-billion dollar company.
If you do good, your ceiling is a few million dollars a year.
That's how our world works.
If any of the developers are reading these comments, as a recently returning KDE user (been awhile since I used it much and it is feeling 100x more polished!) I agree with everything he said! I saw the pop-up the other day and absolutely would not mind seeing it once a month! Those who want to donate and have the means can, and those who don't want to donate or don't have the means won't.
Aannnd we can turn it off any time we want? There's nothing at all to complain about here!
My best friend took the dive from windows to Linux a few months ago. I set him up with KDE for familiarity. He got the nag the other day, said it didn’t bother him. That’s the biggest outcome of this. People aren’t being harassed.
Why you should donate:
If they financially depend on you then they can never deceive you.
This doesn't work with other companies like Microsoft because they have other large incomes. KDE doesn't have other large incomes.
And yet KDE comes with built in spyware you can't turn off...
@@LordVarkson ?
Once a month nag, no thanks. Something about that feels like a panhandler on a street corner. Once a year or a major version release is more then okay.
and in December, the month of giving back to those you love and support, is a chefs kiss.
@@BroNapartay I don't give christmas presents, so why would I give kde money?
The bad nags are the software that you have already bought and paid for, but they nag you for upsales and upgrades. I have a few like that but the worst I've seen is Nero who's nag popup displays in IE launching a page that won't load in IE anymore.
2:30 Back in 2021 Thunderbird development was practically suspended. It resumed only in 2022. So where all that money gone?
Into trashing the UI and performance by what I can tell.
There’s obviously a balance between so infrequent you don’t have enough money and so frequent that it becomes click through invisible. I kind of feel once a year will prove too little, but good to see them taking a user friendly approach.
“The Open Source Initiative-which I should point out that the Open Source Initiative doesn’t actually produce anything-it’s not to say that they’re pointless… it’s just that they don’t serve a purpose.”
"Once per year" - it's just the tip, okay? Just the tip. Not the whole thing. Sheesh.
Meanwhile they cannot even fix their desktop icons becoming a mess for dumb non-reasons like switching monitor on/off
I think most people are more open to things asking them for donations then say 20 years ago, as we've been bombarded by TH-camrs/Streamera letting us know that's how they make a living for the last 10-15 years. That being said, this could get annoying really fast. I think once a month would be the absolute maximum I could see that message before I considered the alternatives. Operating systems I see as the foundation, the safe space, of my system and if too many things start barking at me before I've even opened a web browser, where I expect to be attacked by ads, I'm going to be pissed. Seeing ads in Windows was a big reason I left for Linux in the first place.
That being said, I did get the pop up, turned it off permanently, and went about my day unbothered. As it is currently, it's fine.
I would expand this, and add an option for distro developers to add their own donation page. Like a secondary button. Because those are the two main things people choose on linux, distro and GUI environment.
6:35 Recently the menu for disabling kde daemons has disappeared from 'systemsettings' in openSUSE. Not sure if it's a bug on my system or their deliberate design.
KDE is awesome, thank you devs for making an awesome Desktop Environment. :3
I couldn't agree more.
KDE Plasma is by far the most refined, effective and pleasant to use of all DEs I've used in my life. The "focus" (a dev thing) is always placed in the best location, saving users a lot of mouse clicks. Brilliant UX/UI!
KDE Plasma is also highly customizable AND lightweight (making it a good choice even on old computers).
My go-to DE for so many years now ♥
I've used Ubuntu for over a decade (still using old version, long story). I was finding a new distro to upgrade to and Kubuntu was hands-down the best. Ubuntu's UI has become too much like a smartphone, with huge icons and text. Kubuntu preserves the "Windows XP/MacOS Classic" look with smaller text so you can fit lots of information on screen at a time. Naturally variants like Arch with KDE/Neon also were great.
I just installed CachyOS KDE Plasma rather than Kubuntu; cause I wanted a change from Ubuntu and wanted an easy Arch distro to try out, so far, so good. Also when booted up KDE 2.6 Gigs ram with Gnome 3.1 Gigs ram, so saved a few megs.
Thing is, there are so many projects but they are just pieces of the whole ( like one distro usually will come so many projects within itself)
But, we would need something that can distribute the donations from all people coming from one place (that will not have fees), in order to make migration from Windows Desktop to Linux Desktop viable.
And especially make easier for companies to move away from Windows and ideally office.
Imagine you do not have to buy latest hardware just because the next version of OS or its update requires you to do it.
I like this feature, but the issue is that all the projects need funding, so following this model, we could get thousands of popups asking for funding, significantly impacting the usability of the Linux Desktop.
Even worse is the unfairness of the system, where funding gets distributed based on how visible your application is to the end-user, not how fundamental it is to your system or how much development effort is required to develop and maintain it.
I would prefer that the money gets collected by the distro maintainers, and then distributed among the developers of the software packages that are being used by the distro. But that is not without issues, either, of course.
I've been a KDE user since KDE 3 and ultimately I am happy that they are balancing their budgets :)
There should be a desktop service where all donation driven software you are using can register themselves, and it shows the user a consolidated list with an option to pay directly to one or more projects. Systemd-donate, basically.
Exactly. KDE should have a settings tab to add custom ones optionally, similar to how autostart works and they can have a search option for you to check out what you want to support. I highly like the idea.
It doesn't give any extra pain. If you look for it, you can turn it on/expand your list. 😊
I‘d also like to see if the project has stated anything about a political agenda or even promote it. I‘d definitely base my donations on that.
Organize an association of nags. Have click boxes for details on the finance of each project.
Oooh, I like that!
Nice idea. Well, not the systemd part. Not as part of KDE though. Some of us don't use KDE.
I love KDE, through Kubuntu, they got great support for drawing tablets. But i am curious as to which other desktop has similar if not beter support for drawing tablets, and working with 3D software in general.
As i am considering and wanting to go over to Linux at some point next year when my new PC has been built and windows 10 support ends.
I already tried cinnamon but that just frustrates me and lacks alot of things.
I actually think anything more than once a year will see diminishing returns. This sort of thing works best when you've forgotten about it and then they hit you with "please donate."
If it's too common then you'll get used to it and it will be easier to ignore.
> once per year, easy to dismiss
> "nagware"
It's a very respectful way of a stable donation drive. 5 seconds of attention, respects your answer, and stays out of your way till next year.
@@asbjo elementary OS devs want to implement this thing too, though I fear in their case it will be a popup 1 time per day :D
Nagware is nagware, but this is extremely respectable nagware and hearing about this(I didn't get the notif because I haven't updated in a bit) has me donating a few bucks.
>2k packages installed in an average linux system
>each one generates a popup once a year
Yes, this is definitely not a Pandora's box.
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> can be disabled
12:16 once or twice a quarter seems okay. anyhow there should also be option even now to "ask me once every ... " with configuration for blank containing:
week, 2 weeks, month, 2 months, quarter, half year, annually
If it's once after any major upgrade, I don't see a problem. But they do need money to maintain all the feature richness. Fall of Gnome shows it well.
I don't mind this for a small number of major projects, such as KDE.
But I'm scared to see when everybody else notices how effective this is and you sign in to every one of the 1000+ packages on your system begging for donations all at once.
This is not something you can have everybody do and still be a good thing.
I agree that a reminder within reason when done tastefully is fine.
For the moment, I am using KDE Plasma 6. With the right customization, it almost as "lightweight" as LXQt, never mind lighter than xfce! :)
I loved KDE3, after a rough start accepted KDE4, when Plasma5 launched I walked away and went full time Enlightenment and found it infinitely superior even to KDE4. There is no Desktop more customizable than Enlightenment to the point that anyone looking at an Enlightenment desktop would not be able to identify it unless the user was using the default configuration which few do.
They evidently need the funding -- I have a reasonably powerful laptop (E1545 v5 Xeon, 32 GB RAM, NVME SSD, Nvidia Quadro M2200), and KDE 6 under Wayland runs glacially slowly. XFCE, by comparison, still honks right along. I do hope the dev team eventually figures out how to streamline and make this thing faster, 'cause a lot of my friends use KDE, and some of them are already looking at upgrading their hardware. (Many of us are retired...)
That's reasonable. Some distros have KDE minimal installs, and KDE has option to turn off all the fancy effects. It helps a lot with old computers. You can make KDE pretty slim TBH
I have it on a 7th gen i3 laptop and it runs super fast, your issue is probably the nvidia drivers with wayland.
@@progste Yup. We don't use systemd, and that makes the vulkan drivers somewhat problematic as I understand it. I could put an AMD WX4150 in, but that would be a major step-down in performance. I'm just not paying good money for a downgrade. Maybe I should figure out how to shift to the Intel UHD video that's on the processor die?
@@horusfalcon I don't know if it's possible to use the iGPU while also having the quadro available to accelerate other software but it's worth looking it up.
Otherwise you could just try using kde in x11 mode or just stay on xfce.
@@progste Sounds like a good flowchart to me. The system is Optimus, so maybe Bumblebee will light up the Intel? I'm thinking about dual booting Commodore OS Vision. Fun Stuff!
It's a great idea but i think it's a little disingenuous that they don't also have a checkbox on the pop-up to 'do not sure this message again?' option. You instead have to go find the option in settings somewhere?
I'd like to see more software and websites move towards this model of asking for donations, instead of making their money through ads and selling your data.
As long as its done tastefully, I am wholly on board with these projects adding donation links/notifications as long as it doesn't impede functionality, block or distract the main focus, and can be disabled.
I remember how Shareware used to be, a yearly nag might as well be non existent as far as annoying-ness goes.
They should do one on April 1st, where if you close it opens a full screen ad.
I'll try not to start a war in the chat today ... KDE is good. I've been using it since it was a grey XP-like experience, it was sensible.
I have to admit,this beats PBS and their beg-a-thons. Once a year and you can disable it is very chill.
KDE won't exist without my support just like Wikipedia became a multi-billion dollar company without my support so pretty smart.
Unlike Wikimedia, KDE is veeeeery transparent with their funding and their spending. They also don't pay super high salaries to a CEO
Wikipedia, now that's a name I haven't heard in years. It became a shitshow.
The great thing about this is most donations would be $5 or $10 which would add up over time, but also you would get the odd person who can afford to donate more, say $100 or so. People won't feel like they were forced into it, if they can disable the popup. My guess is that because it only shows 1 time per year most people will leave it unless they have multiple computers, then they might turn it off on the other computers which is fine. Personally I would keep it on my desktop, then turn it off on my other computers.
I had been meaning to but it kept slipping my mind, so I was glad they sent the notification
I don't think the average project could have convinced me to donate but for KDE? It's on a short list.
I think arch & endeavourOS I will give to next after the holiday spending wears off.
What desktop does Lunduke use?
Not a KDE user; been using Gnome since the late 90's or early 2000's, later switching to Cinnamon on most of my systems. Although I dabbled with KDE before Gnome and liked it too. Latest laptop came with KDE Plasma preinstalled. Even though I'm not impressed with their panel management (I switch between docked 3-monitor and on-the-go laptop scenarios frequently), there's nothing that gives me a strong incentive to replace it, so I don't bother; it works well enough for me, and I know the clunky workaround for my main issue with it. So sure. I'll chip in a couple of bucks. I keep using it, after all.
Done the same for Thunderbird, I got Linux Mint on Patreon, and occasionally donate to Wikipedia. Although the aggressive way Wikipedia asks for donations is kind of off-putting, so this year I skipped them.
Begware is the preferred term. 😂 I’m glad you finally brought this up.
I did donate to support the project. Excellent stuff even though i am still watching your video^^
I'd like to see this combined with the debian popularity contest.
once a year, ask for a donation, and then it gets distributed around the various apps you use.
There are issues about what should go to who.
If you use a linux spinoff distro, how much should go to the distro, how much to ubuntu, etc. how do you weigh your ls usage against your firefox usage etc.
Hell, you could turn it into a humble indie bundle type thing. I'm sure the community could rustle up a game or 2, some wallpapers etc.
Better than to have it pop up every month offer a recurring donation. Every month 5 dollars. Sounds fair.
Linux Mint has the same transparency in donations and pulls in even less. I used to send them money also once per year. The OS you use definitely deserves your money. They even accept donations in XMR I was pleasantly surprised.
Meanwhile Canonical annual revenue - $250 million
Red Hat - $3.4 billion
I tried KDE briefly, and granted it has been several years so things might have changed by now, but it was way too resource intensive. It was like having a desktop environment designed by the Chrome team.
Now they are all gonna do it in more aggressive ways.
I use a WM instead of a DE, but Plasma was my preference back when I did, and I still use its related apps for some things, such as Dolphin, Krita, etc. If I am looking for a GUI application to do something, I typically will look in the KDE ecosystem before GNOME, unless there are significant differences in their functionality. I just wish that Qt was written in C.
The open source licenses are a barrier to selling software at a profit, and they were always meant to be that way.
I'm OK with this. They only ask like 1 time per year I think. Donated to KDE before the popup thing came around.
They can make it more effective by making clicking "no" result in it showing a small picture of the KDE mascot crying.
All Distros should have a donation button at the Sign in page Quarterly, and have one donation button for each Application you use. This would make deveolpment way better.
I like it too! Very nice way to receive more income, but not force Ads on users like Microsoft Does, which is pure greed. KDE is being completely reasonable, as you've said. Great video!
KDE could extend their nag prompt to allow other software to register a donation request. Once per year the nag pops up with all of the donation requests. You would then be allowed to turn off requests for various pieces of software if so desired. That it better than the wild west of everyone nagging in their own way at random intervals and times.
If I were a KDE user, since it's a once per year notification, I would leave it as a reminder the next year.
Does Mr Lunduke like Gnome better than KDE ? Or is he talking about XFCE because as much as I love i3, awesome and fluxbox they're not in the same category (DE vs WM) ? Damn I posted this just before he mentionned XFCE/IceWM ... stupid me.
I noticed this too. But honestly, I wasn't really bothered by it. They're not a monopoly, but still need funds to keep going. I'd love to give a little bit, but money is way too tight these days. But it doesn't keep hounding you and it keeps it at a minimum, so I'm cool with it.
summary 17:24 of my thoughts: having an DE level support i.e. a freedesktop environment standard for such donation nags is probably the way to go.
2:42 Thunderbird used to recieve more donations than blender. woah. whats the situation now?
in 2021
I used KDE once and went back to xfce.
I like this, because you can opt out in the settings. Great work KDE on a great implementation. Every project needs development funds. I would only have a problem with this if they forced it, and did not give the option to turn it off.
I've seen videos criticizing that move. We get the software for free. Least we can do is let them nag us during the holidays.
Glad that the title was misleading haha
was assuming you would criticize it
Thunderbird is it's own entity separate from Mozilla? Or is it just tracked differently because they have different contribution channels, but it all goes to Mozilla in the end?
this approach is great i want more programs to use it
Thanks so much for this video Bryan! I'm a long time user and lover of KDE, but only donated once... 😞
That WILL change very soon! ✌ (with a monthly donation)
Done ✅
(10 € / month)
If they make a lot more money already because of this pop-up, then I support this pop-up. 👍
But does it have a progress bar?
How many FOSS project could really do with a financial injection.
Sometimes we forget that the folks doing to work behind the scenes still need to feed their families and pay the mortgage.
Asking for donations once a year is MORE than reasonable.
Just as long as whatever software I'm donating to isn't woke. I can't support that.
As long as whatever software I'm donating to is good software. I couldn't care less about politics when the result is amazing. I pay and support software and the people that make it, I don't discriminate just because you have a different view than mime.
@@nezu_cc I think you misunderstand. It's not about their views merely being different, it's about the fact that woke people do not share the same live -and-let-live philosophy. They try to destroy groups. Supporting people who are out to destroy what you love is called pathological altruism.
I got my first popup earlier. It was no bother at all. I almost donated, until I remembered I'm broke.
If it's once a month or written in little letters in the start menu , why not
I know NOTHING about KDE, but it's nice to see them go the Blender route where they ask very in a very non intrusive way. Ask nicely, and ye shall receive.
As long as it's just that little popup I don't mind.
If something so small contributes to vastly more donations and better software long term it's a no brainer to do it maybe once per quarter like you suggested.
They should do it in the summer and not December. Cash in December goes mostly to Christmas gifts..
Many podcasts dedicate 30s or so *every episode* to holding out their hat (even after I've subscribed) which adds up if you listen to many podcasts and it's a bit excessive (if understandable). Striking a balance between calling out your value periodically and burying users in pleas for funds is a necessary and welcome part of the world using more FLOSSoftware.
The "if: good for one; then: good for all" problem is real, especially if the lesson learned is 1x/yr is good so 12x/yr is better. That said an annual call for donations isn't unreasonable, and combined with a per/release (doesn't have to be major versions, significant point releases that come out on a 2-4x/yr basis would be perfect for this sort of thing) where you'd often see a release notes or "new features" notification could also include a short "if you like this, consider supporting" blurb along with the other information would also be welcome imho.
I feel that model like Voicemeeter and Fan control is perfectly reasonable. You have trial period and then it's fully featured nagware. I'm happy to pay you as I have reason and use for your product so I don't feel like wasting money upfront on product that just plain and simple f-ing sucks.
They should do it atleast twice a year. In Christmas and Summer (Juin)
If Mozilla makes gecko Firefox happen on iOS, I am willing to donate or straight out buy it for say 20€, maybe even 40€.
Bryan please no - more is not better. I 100% support this popup, but if they increase the repetition rate it will turn me off, and I suspect many others.