@@Vorael Gregor actually killed him the first time if I recall correctly. At that point he didn't know there were any second chances, so yeah, major balls right there.
@@freddiem6805 It wasn't plot armor back then, it was part of the GOT lore, the story itself. That's not what I would call plot armor. Plot armor is what all our main characters had in season 7 & 8.
@Ouissam yeah, neds first face to face exposure with tywin was him holding rhaegars mutilated kids to Robert Dude never respected Tywin, he refused to let him take Theon and tried to stop Robert giving sweetrobin to Tywin too
If Ned Stark told Robert that his children were not his own: - Robert executes Jaime and Cersei, not sure what he will do to the kids. - Table is turned. Tywin is now being the rebel, declaring war against the crown. - Stannis assembles ships at Dragonstone. Renly calls the banners of Storm's end, Highgarden automatically joins. - Ned tells Robb to call the banners of the north. - Now we have Winterfell, Highgarden, Storm's end and Riverrun against Casterly Rock. Stannis' ships as well. Tywin is fucked. ifs ifs ifs
Robert would kill the children because they are bastards and not related to him by blood. Remember he had the Targaryens slaughtered when the Mad King fell so he does have a brutality streak.
SirDobbsdaGr8 The Lannisters did it so Robert didn't have to get a bad name. Since Lannisters came so late to the war, they decided that only way to go through it was to kill the Targaryens for Robert. He never wanted to kill them, but saw it as a threat to his rule. A few bastards are not a huge threat to the crown.
You got there. it was the Lannisters, but Robert didn't punish them for the crime. Making him an accomplice and so he shares in it. I think he would've done the same thing if the Lannisters didn't. Its all hypothetical though Lannisters are a bunch of cowards
ride or die and then get resurrected and ride again and then die and then get resurrected and ride again and then die and then get resurrected and ride again and then die and then get resurrected and ride again
Ned Stark is probably the only guy who sat on the Iron Throne who actually cared about the common people and tried to deliver them some semblance of justice when the high-born mistreated them.
Ned was such a boss, he was one of the few people in game of thrones who had the balls to actually do something, instead of playing the boring game of politics.
@@Heeem13 The thing is, I don't actually think he would have been a great king. Too much corruption for a man such as him to stay there long. He was very honorable and definitely a man to admire and emulate. I don't think he had the wisdom to compromise however. Not because of this scene per se, but the way he speaks to others in the small council, to Jamie Lannister, etc. To be an effective king who didn't just create more enemies than he can handle he would have needed to play the political game a little better and leave some of his barbs unsaid. Martin has talked before about one of the ways his writing differs from Tolkien is that he doesn't assume that a good man would be a good king and vice versa.
"I cannot give you back your homes or restore your dead to life, but perhaps I can give you justice, in the name of our King, Robert." that's such an iconic line and such a Ned Stark thing to say
He wants to bring justice, but immediately foregoes the basic principle of "audi alteram partem". The legal and judicial system of the Seven Kingdoms is a real joke!
Howard Beale Yes, honestly I don't think the peasants in this scene were expecting justice to be done, they probably came to beg for any reparations they could get from the crown. So when Ned decided to not just hold Gregor, but also Tywin Lannister accountable for their actions, they were elated.
Cole Napier Elated??? LOLOL. They just had their homes and possessions burned, their wives brutally raped again and again and then butchered in front of them, their children grotesquely covered in pitch and BURNED ALIVE! If by elated you mean irreversibly scarred and traumatized for life, then yes I agree with you.
This scene is more effective after you've been introduced to Tywin Lannister. Then it becomes 10x more badass as you know who Ned Stark is boldly going up against.
yeah, and Ned essentially leaves Tywin with a dilemma: either come to Kings Landing alone and be executed, or don't come to Kings Landing and your vassals and every enemy Tywin has ever made get given a license to kill him. If Robert stumbles one way instead of the other, Cersei is executed for treasonous incestuous adultery and Tywin is executed for attacking men under the King's banner and attacking the Riverlands.
Looking back now, it's crazy how tiny of a piece of the puzzle Ned really was. I remember watching season 1 thinking ned was the main character for the entire show.
That's why Baelor (s1e9) made such an impact. They made it look like Ned was the hero throughout the season. We all looked upto him. We thought nothing would happen to him.
@@MrBurns-tf4if Ned was eaten alive. He didn't have the guile for the position. Ned would have worked if everyone else could have been decent humans along with him.
@@Nectarisa Ned 100% had the guile to be King, Eddard Stark is probably one of the only men in Westeros next to Stannis Baratheon who'd be an absolutely fantastic King, the video above irrefutably proves it-he sent for Clegane's head after immediately hearing the story, he demands Tywin Lannister of all people come to court within a fortnight (i.e. he'd literally have to pack up and head off as fast as possible to make that deadline from Casterly Rock) or be officially branded a traitor to the Crown, had he actually maintain power and if LF didn't betray them, something just like the "Hour of the Wolf" would've occurred (when Lord Cregan Stark was Hand for a day and had a few dozen men hung and was adamant on punishing the Green Supporters).
Ned would have been a terrible King with his old ways mentality. It was his meddling that started the war in the first place. He was willing to sacrifice Cersi's children in the name of his 'honor'. Robert seemed like a good king to me.
+mister8800 He would have been a very good ruler... just goddamn Ned. Honorable self righteous stubborn moron. Grr. No Joffrey... no Red Wedding... WHY NED
If we go by that logic: 1.) Then Stannis would have been a better King then all of them combined because ser Davos believed it and he was a respected Commander and soldier. 2.) Renly should have sat the Iron Throne because Loras believed he would have been a better King then all of them because he was loved by all. 3.) Robb would have been a better King because his mother believed it and he is a Stark you know. The one family who has been ruling their Kingdoms for thousands of years way before the Targaryens even heard of Westeros. Whenever ser Barristan sings Rhaegars praises I take it with a pinch of salt because just like ser Davos, Loras Tyrell and Catelyn Stark he was biased as fuck towards Rhaegar. Yes he would have made a better King then Aerys, Robert and Joffrey but so would all of the Kings I listed above. And way before he was crowned King he had already pissed of three of the Kingdoms he was supposed to rule. 1.) Stormlands for taking the betroth of Robert Baratheon the Lord Paramount of the Stormlands. 2.) Dorne for running of with Lyanna Stark while he was married to Princess Elia Martell and has fathered two children on her already. 3.) The North for running off with the Lord Paramounts daughter without an explanation or reason whatsoever. And you know if Ned Stark knew how to play the Game of Thrones and wasn't so steadfast in his believes he would have made a better King then all of them. I admit I might be biased towards him but if he rules the seven Kingdoms with a good queen and has a good small council I could see him doing great things but that's just my opinion lol.
Ned as King would have ended quickly the same way as Ned as Hand ended. With him getting betrayed and fucking killed. All the Starks are too naive to avoid getting snaked.
Funnily enough, Ned is the last person whom actually wants the Iron Throne. He had the chance to seize it for himself during Robert' Rebellion but he steered well away from that choice.
@@Serryy Stannis killed his daughter. Daenerys Targaryen should have ruled in the end. House Targaryen should have been restored for longer than a few hours. Nobody would have fucked with House Targaryen again or committed a crime without the possibility of Daenerys finding out. There would have been peace.
Agent Smith, that's a shame. I would have liked to see Stannis interact with Ned. For that matter, I would've liked to see Ned and Stannis interact with Tywin.
In the book, Loras is in this scene and volunteers himself to lead the mission but Ned overlooks him for Beric Dondarrion. In hindsight, it would've made sense to send Loras. Once Loras gets killed by the Mountain, the Tyrells would turn on the Lannisters.
The face the farmer made was priceless. Here he is probably only asking for some money, food, and a place to stay and he made the mountain public enemy number 1 and Tywin Lannister number 2.
I love how back in Season 1 they really needed to spell things out for us: Littlefinger: "Fish. Why, isn't that the sigil of your wife's house?" Ned: "Yes, Littlefinger. We both clearly know this. Why would you have to say it, unless you were informing an invisible audience?" Littlefinger: "Cut off a horse's head with one swing, Ned. Doesn't this sound like somebody we saw do just that the other day?" Ned: "..." Littlefinger: "The Mountain." Ned: "Go away, Littlefinger."
@@nicholaskenneth113 Most of the early-GoT recastings were because characters (e.g. Gregor, Beric) gained prominence from S1 to S3/4, and during S1 weren't worth casting with established, well-known actors, given budget constraints.
Petyr Baelish: Gold win wars not soldiers. Ned: Then how come Robert is king not Tywin Lannister. Writing was so strong back then. Ned's breath catching up while giving orders is one of the best dialogue delivery I have seen in GOT.
+stud20084977 Look at Stephen Dillane, then at Book-Stannis. Both are basically the same kind of person. Great casting, and great actor. A shame, D&D ruined the character, because they didn't like him in the books.
GRRM is really the best at writing lawful type characters. Ned, Tywin, Stannis, Beric. Prolly some of his richest characters can be considered "lawful" in a sense.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." To all those who think Ned was stupid for standing up to the Lannisters, the alternative is to let them get away with murder, rape and arson. Ned was under no illusion that this would be easy, he knew there were risks but he chose to challenge tyranny rather than shut up. That doesn't make him stupid, it makes him just, courageous and principled, and ten times the man cowards like Gregor and Tywin are. The only glitch was that Robert died, which he couldn't have foreseen. Maybe the stupidest and most cowardly thing was to let the Lannisters get away with their crimes and do nothing.
He should have kept his discoveries secret until Robert returned. While he couldn't have foreseen that Robert would be given stronger booze than usual, it wouldn't have hurt to wait a couple more days.
I always thought that Eddard felt untouchable and too full of himself 'cause he had Robert behind his back. Robert died, nobody remained to save Ned, Ned died because of Joffrey's stupidity
Ned's judgement sets in motion the wars that would lead to the death of hundreds of thousands including his eldest son, youngest son, and wife. Fortunately the honorable King Joffrey brought justice to the disgraced traitor.
In the books we are in Ned's mind. In this scene Ned is thinking I should go because "The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword". Lord Tywin was a step ahead and knew what House Stark believe. Tywin wanted to trap Ned, but it ended up being Beric.
King Dormak the chromosome expelling forniphile Punish Gregor for which atrocities? You mean Aegon and Elia? Tywin Lannister ruled the seven kingdoms for 16 years and the realm prospered so it's not an opinion it's a fact.
King Dormak the chromosome expelling forniphile He commanded Gregor to pillage the Riverlands because Catelyn had kidnapped Tyrion. Gregor wasn't the only one who did that either. Just look at the Stark forces.
I love how Littlefinger was obviously trying to push Ned's buttons and urge him in a certain direction (maybe finally get him to realize how enormous a threat the Lannisters are and that their feud won't be settled in simple mutual combat), but once Ned took it a few steps beyond, Littlefinger just looks at him like "... what the fuck are you doing?"
No Littlefinger is playing the tried and trued political trick.....leave some bread crumbs and let Ned come to his own conclusions. If Ljttlefinger had advised Ned to declare Clegane and Tywin traitors, Stark would have suspected Baeylish's motives. But helping Ned come to that conclusion on his own, Stark is more likely to believe it.
@@mrmofo36 Pycelle: "You are speaking to the Hand, not the King. The King is hunting." Baelish: [aside, to Stark] "He's talking about Robert Baratheon."
This scene is the best. I love the reactions from everyone in court - they are absolutely stunned to silence by the doing of justice. just shows how corrupt the city must really be.
too many fan boys here. What Ned is doing is clearly outrageous. He is the hand of the king but this is not a crisis. Its a conflict between his house (wife) and another paramount lord. He was motivated to act but was acting out of line.
@@harvestmoon1033 Me Too! I thought he was actually going to be the main character of the show so I was completely surprised and devastated when he was executed because I really liked him:(
@@austinlamonge4741 How ? The man who hid in casterly rock and when he saw the winning side he join them killed little children plunder kings landing, Killed his enemy in his wedding he was nothing but a clever fox
@@aestheticambience6712 Tywin from what you just said and the time we spent with him was leagues smarter and more capable of ruling than Ned was and ended up winning the war
Ned was such a badass. He and Robb were the only men in Westeros who didn't care WHO Tywin was. In a fair fight, army against army, general to general, Tywin didn't stand a chance. Hence the Red Wedding.
the books dont tell us is the starks and their bannerman would have been stronger than the lannister. most people believe that lannister are richer and so on even though we know that its not true
z4easy Westerland are like 4 to 5 time more populated than the North and countless times more richer .. They had 64.000 men army and 10.000 more new regruts, Rob and the North bannermens had like 18.000 .. How the fuck they were stronger ? Only reason that they didn't get demolis was that Tywin divided his army in two and that they had Riverlands bannermans to help them .. People are to Starkfanboish when they look at stuff like this ..
+glorilol 95 They call him an idiot because he didn't prepare for the consequences. I loved Ned and he was really fucking honourable, but he didn't care about the Game of Thrones and thats why he died.
Karl Tanner karl!you fookin' legend whadya doing here? yeah i know the story thanks...but that was not the point i was talking about that scene when he try to do to do justice...the game doesn't mean you have too forget your ideals...honor isn't a stupid thing ned just use it badly...
@@glorilol9546 Ned was an idiot because he cared more about having a peaceful conscience than having a peaceful realm, he judged the lives of innocents to be worth less than his personal honour, this makes him a scumbag. Also he trusted littlefinger like a retard
@@firstnamett4656 It was his actions after Robert's mortal wounding that made him a retard. Trusting littlefinger, not taking Renly or Cersei's offer. Changing any of these choices might've been less 'honourable' but it would've saved the lives of thousands of innocents from war. He ultimately cared more about his personal honour than his duty to the lives of the people in his care
@@AeneasGemini he trusted littlefinger because his wife trusted him. The realm would have never been peaceful because The seeds of corruption were already there.
This scene is so epic. Robert brought in Ned because this is who he is. He's just. He's not afraid to do the right thing. But Robert was in such debt to the Lannisters, everyone knew he would have let this go with a slap on the wrist. Ned not only gives the Mountain what he deserves, he then doubles down and extends justice and responsibility to a man everyone in the room recognizes as untouchable. Even the guy who came there to complain about his lands being burned and his people being killed is like, "Whoa Ned, you serious?"
***** He wouldn't have joined the Kingsguard, he wouldn't have killed King Aerys and thus King's Landing would've burned to the ground, and thus the children of Cersei wouldn't have been crazy bastards, thus meaning that everyone would've lived happily ever after...until the Others(Whitewalkers) come around and slaughter them all.
"Isn't that your wife's House? Tully, your Lord Hand?" "Sounds like someone we know. The Mountain" Thanks Littlefinger. I don't think Ned remembered his wife's House or its sigil or what the Mountain looked like.
This was season 1 of the show, most viewers wouldn’t understand that Catelyn is a Tully who’s house sigil is fish, or that Gregore Clegane is also called the mountain and works for the Lannisters. It’s obvious to us now, but the show needed to explain these things to the viewer, which they did via Littlefinger in this scene.
He's being sarcastic, it was tongue in cheek. Littlefinger was "rubbing it in" for ignoring his advice. He warned Ned about not messing with the Lannisters
Eddard could have taken the throne for himself but he passed it up. It was he, not Robert, who arrived at King's Landing. The Lannisters had sacked the city and were waiting for Ned's army to arrive; and when Ned arrived he found Jaime sat on the Iron Throne. Ned removed him from the throne: all Ned had to do was sit in it himself and he would've been King. Even Robert says that Ned should've been King. The whole war was between the Starks and Targaryens. It started because the Mad King executed Eddard's older brother and his father. The Mad King then ordered that Eddard be executed too. Ned was a ward under Jon Arryn at the time alongside Robert Baratheon. Jon Arryn refused to obey the command and revolted prompting the rebellion. I think that the fact that he had lost so much in the south was the reason he refused the throne. His father, older brother and his sister were all dead. He just wanted to go home. *Massive Spoiler?*: He also promised something to his sister that likely prompted him to return home rather than take the throne: he had to keep Jon's identity a secret and keep him out of the way of the watchful eyes of King's Landing and "hidden away up north" as Cersei would say. Remember, Rhaegar Targaryen + Lyanna Stark = Jon (Snow). Given what happened to the other Targaryen children it makes sense to hide him away.
creepyd444 It's his fault. Robert never wanted to be king, had Ned volunteered for the throne, Robert, being Robert, would've supported him. But no, Ned didn't want to be king either, and let Robert take the throne on the basis of his Targaryen blood rather than Right of Conquest. As his friend, he should've have known what Robert can and cannot do; while the man was a skilled warrior and commander, he was a shit ruler and administrator. And now the Seven Kingdoms are paying for that awful decision they made several years ago when deciding "who gets to sit in the world's most uncomfortable chair?"
3:45 It's so sad to see just how happy the common people are with Eddard as hand, all of their faces light up and glow. The only time justice was ever served in the whole show. I just noticed another really cool small detail at 3:37, look how far he bows down! A huge gesture of respect.
@@stsk1061Ned wasn't Hand for long, these commoners were probably thinking well of him, but that doesn't mean he was well liked by all of them. Most probably didn't care or even know who he even was. In fact, even these commoners thought he was the King, shows how far removed the High Nobility truly is from the average Person. There's also the fact that Eddard wasn't actively working on improving the Life of the commoners. When he was in a situation in which helping a commoner was honorable, then he did so, but he never went out of his way to champion their cause. Margaery actively works on endearing herself to the common folk to gain their support as part of her schemes, and they didn't even rise up in support of her so it would have been really illogical if they did so for Eddard.
Ned made no mistake, neither he was outfoxed by the Lannisters. He died because: 1) Betrayed by littlefinger; 2) Betrayed by Renly (who betrayed both his brothers); 3) Betrayed by the whole court (including Ser Baristan) for ignoring the king's will; 4) Had a ridiculous amount of bad luck on Robert's death (yeah, Cersei was poisoning him, but a fatal wound from a boar in that hunt? Cersei was damn lucky, she shouldn't be relying on that if she really was smart) If only one of the facts above didn't happen, things would have been different. Lannister schemings are overrated.
Leandro CM i don't think that Renly betrayed him, Renly gave him the opportunity to take the iron throne, Ned refused. He was betraying Stannis if that would've been done, hence Ned said no
Christian Mesquida renly left ned alone in Kingslanding and crowned himself while ned was trying to do the right thing.He shouldve done his duty and helped ned secure the throne for stannis...
***** I agree that Ned made some mistakes if you look on the politcs perspective, but I didn't get the general feeling that it was foolishness or that he was naive, but that he made his "mistakes" consciously. He did know he was in a nest of rats and he didn't really trust in anyone, but he chose to take the risks doing what he thought was "right", because that's the perspective that moved him. And I do think Renly could have saved Ned and the throne later by mobilizing his armies right to King's Landing instead of opposing them against Stannis.
Ned may not have been subtle or cunning enough to have ever had a chance against Cersei or Littlefinger but no one can deny that he had balls of valyrian steel
This man just represents what we all really love in fantasy and games of this genre. Boldness, royal manners, wisdom and justice. And of course a magical voice
I love this scene. Robert picked Ned as hand for exactly this reason, his no nonsense style of ruling. But Robert would have likely objected to this in order to avoid civil war. Ned Stark stands up with the aid of his cane, levies the harshest of sentences onto Gregor Clegane, and if everyone wasn't shocked enough by his aggressive use of power to hold an anointed knight accountable for his crimes, he then takes it ten steps further and informs everyone that he plans to hold Clegane's lord, Tywin Lannister, responsible as well.
Robert would have stopped ned instantly tywin is the one he is in debt too and the one who gives him the money for his feasts and tourneys not too mention this would cause a war robert is not in the mood to fight
@@hafeezasif7932 I doubt it. If that happened then the Tully’s would’ve had no choice but to raise their banners and wage war against the Westerlands. This would’ve drawn the Starks in and their vassals since Catelyn is also a Tully. Robert appreciates Tywin’s assistance but he still isn’t too keen of him and will side with the Starks. Which means the Vale would’ve sided with the crown and so would the Reach (especially if Renly still married Margaery in this scenario). This was definitely the best route for Eddard to go down out of bad options.
That end quote sends shivers down my spine: "Gold wins wars not soldiers!" "Then how come Robert is king, and not Tywin Lannister?" Ned would have been a good just king, if only because he would never do wrong to the common people. He absolutely goes out of his way to make sure all is well, even if it's a responsibility he hates. All the rest are not worthy of a bag of shit.
The end Qoute actually demonstrates how Ned Stark was really poor at the game. It's the gold that the soldiers fight for and no one has more of it than the mighty Tywin Lannister.
@@Aaditttyaaa Yes, he was poor at the game but he was thrice the man of any one of them there. I also feel "Northerners" are much more direct in how they handle situations, suitable in many affairs, but unsuitable in the political machinations of the south where everyone wears a blade beneath their robes. Mercenaries fight for gold. In Medieval times, soldiers fought because they are summoned by their lords to do so, otherwise their land and holdings are confiscated, so there is great pressure to answer the call to war, hence the oaths they swear when given titles.
"You're a fool if you think [current king] is king". -Tywin Lannister Ned is a great man but the whole point of his arc was that honor and morals get people killed in the capital. He would have been a great king to the people for a really short time before someone eventually kills him.
And thats exactly how you lose the keys to power (see CPG Gray's video on the matter), TL;DR tyrants throughout history were most likely tyrants because they needed key supporters to keep them in power (along with the obvious psychopathic disregard for human life), diverting resources for the betterment of the common folk means that you are diverting them away from the hands of lords, generals, bureaucrats.. etc (the keys) that ensure the actual longevity of your rule and keep the peasants in check, they will be more inclined to not keep them in check and thus enticing successful rebellion against your """autocratic""" rule that is also why tyrants rule longer than "benevolent" autocrats
I feel so bad for the little dude pleading to Ned, he looks so sweet and harmless, I'm heartbroken when I realize he is likely dead by now amidst the Chaos in Westeros, he seems like an honest person, scared and distraught.
+Legendary Niwatori these are the people that have been caught between the high lords playing their games, think of all the rapes and atrocities that have been committed against people like him
Season 5 and 6 the show is basically all about the rise of the common man.I was bored at first but then i realized how they have been trampled over and ignored by most characters AND us !.
Starry Eyed Sam I want whatever drugs you are smoking. Season 5 and 6 are a shift in power, but not between the powerful and the commonfolks. With the High Sparrow, sure. But that is not a season-wide theme, more rather it's just the plot of one story. The theme seems more like The Bad People making one wrong choice, and the domino effect it creates until they meet their end. Cersei entrusts the High Sparrow, she gets ruined. Ramsey kills his father, loses his military advantages and will inevitably die. The Nightswatch kills Jon Snow, he comes back and executes them. The ultimate rise and fall will be Daenarys before long, she is destined to become a villain with her horde of barbarian rapists that she plans on invading Westeros with. She will not be a benevolent ruler, she will be worse than the Mad King. At least the Mad King's immediate madness only stretched as far as the walls of King's Landing from the Red Keep. Daenarys will be spreading her madness throughout Westeros, and ultimately be killed. So the theme is more "Good Guys Winning For A Change" which has NOTHING to do with the smallfolk.
He was MY acting teacher as well, and I remember you. You once shat yourself in class and tried to frame the fat kid for it then he sat on you and you squeezed out some more turds.
If Ned were any smarter or sneakier, he'd know that him being king is what was best for the realm. The funny thing about this show and politics in general is that the people who would actually be great rulers and truly care about their constituents are the ones who are never devious enough to win the seat. It's a catch 22, that's why we'll never have any worthy presidents.
+Matt Josh his honor blinded him also Robert mentioned that Ned had the chance of being a king after the rebellion and Robert wouldn't say a word about it but he didn't want to which makes one love him even more and more
Lord Eddard Stark, honorable man. A good man. He has no business in the world of liars and traitors. Every good and just leader that sat in the Iron Throne even the Hand of The King/King Regent of the Throne meet very tragic ends. Even the benevolent King Aegon V of House Targaryen met a very heartbreaking end. He knew how the life of common people were, he felt their suffering and their joys firsthand when he served as squire to a humble and honorable knight Ser Duncan The Tall. A song of Ice and Fire universe is not a place for good and honorable men/women, only people who can dip their legs knee-deep in shit and corpses survive long enough.
Think that's the whole point though. I don't think Robert was that bad considering they were so close and ned fought lead his successful rebellion. Ned didn't change. Robert did being king. As soon as ned was asked to make calls for the king, he also changed. A position of power is very hard to stay true to you're character
Looking back on season 1, it's so clear how Littlefinger is doing everything in his power to manipulate the court and instigate a war to reach his ultimate goal, the Iron Throne. He's a genius.
And now he is fawning over Sansa and revealing shit he shouldn't be revealing publically (that he wants the throne) and declaring for a house thats not clearly the strongest (Starks) thereby cutting off his whole play all sides manipulation. As Cersei said - "Do you know why Varys is the most dangerous man in the kingdoms?" "He has no cock to do half his thinking for him" LF finally into the pussy trap lol
Ned Stark looked more like a King than anyone else who ever sat on the throne throughout this show. With the recent crime of Tywin & the Mountain here, Ned was ready to give them justice that was 17 years overdue.
Not a bad move actually. Ned couldn't have forseen that Robert would die, so if Robert had come back from the hunt unharmed, Tywin would've either been forced to admit to giving Clegane the order to wreak havoc in the Riverlands and risk the consequences, or he would have been forced to deny it, cutting all ties from house Clegane and losing one of his most valuable tools for terror. In any case Grecor would have been done. No titles, no lands, no protection by Tywin and probably with a price on his head. And a guy like him would have trouble to not be recognised everywhere he goes. Even if nobody could take him head-on, a well-prepared trap with a couple of crossbowmen, and the Mountain would ride no more.
+Wurzelknecht hell the hound would succeed him in house clegane, sandor might hop into the mountain smashing brigade even on tywin's order or the kings, and the hound is the best man over than oberyn we have seen in going toe to toe with the mountain
twiliblade Yeah I could totally see that happen. The day Gregor would be declared an outlaw and free game for anyone with enough guts and a weapon in hand, would probably be one of the happiest days...ok one of the less miserable days in Sandor's life.
You do know that all this was just a trap for Ned, right?? :) Tywin knew the throne couldn't ignore this, he knew Robert would be furious and he would send men to capture him. In this case: the Hand: Ned.... The Mountain would have waited with a much bigger force and capture him. But Jaime hurt him unexpectedly and everything fell to pieces. But yeah, it was a good move from Ned... it had a pretext to force the hand of the Lannisters and Robert would have backed him. Hell, even if he had been captured.... it was a very risky move from Tywin, it could have started a huge war and the same alliance that killed Aerys would have fought for him... maybe even more kingdoms.
Vlad Bayard With all his flaws Robert Baratheon was not a man to rest until his until enemies had bitten the dust, whether it was the Targaryens, or Greyjoys.. If Tywin lifted a hand against the king he could expect no mercy. The same alliance that ended the Targaryens would have ended the Lannisters. This time the Lannisters would be facing Robert, Ned and the north, Robb, Stannis, the Tyrells etc. The Lannisters would be finished. Ned knew what he was about when he called out Tywin.
Almost forgot how incredibly well done season 1 of this show was. Up to tywin's death being very good as well. Sure... the littlefinger expositing is unrealistic for book readers but forgivable and useful. Then you have pycelle's Lannister loyalties and corruption in the kings court being flashed brilliantly. Ned's slight expression of irritation at their pestering as he just wants to listen to the plaintiff . Then the great reaction of astonishment and the subsequent admiration of the countrymen at ned's decicive pledge for justice to be brought upon the lannisters. Then the little baelish and ned dialogue at the end. Sean bean captures a brilliant physical presence and vocal character that has tones of steadfastness, courage and power, mixed with clear traces of fear, concern, confusion and strain. I particularly like his commanding conviction when he shuts up Pycelle towards the end. Great characters in a great scene in a great show.
@@lordlossize if it was only that part I'd partly believe that, but I have to admit, Petyr in this scene just felt like they needed him to poorly to convey worldbuilding. "Oh a fish, that's your wife's house's sigil! Don't you know your wife's house?" "Wait, a tall big man, that's The Mountain. Remember not-viewer, the big mad man is The Mountain and a Lannister lackey." "Oh they attacked your territories, almost like you being attacked while in public, almost like this is a political maneuver, huh? Huh? Nudge nudge wink wink!"
@@SteelBallRun1890 to save time and effort ill label your quotes as 1,2, and 3. 1. he was mocking ned, and saying without saying "oh wow look someone wants your wifes house dead, i wonder why?" 2. i would agree with you there, he didnt make much of a snide comment when mentioning the mountain, but later on he gives his sarcastic "can you think of any reason why the lannisters are pissed at your wife" comment, so i think it kind of evens out. 3. he was mocking the fact that ned got attacked openly in the street and got his leg busted. he didnt outright say it because he wanted to twist the knife and humiliate ned in front of the whole room without them knowing he was being humiliated
@@SteelBallRun1890 I would have gotten rid of pycelle and Baelish if I was Ned. Better to have the enemies outside then in your own government. Same way Tyrion got rid of that one guy when he was acting hand.
This is a perfectly normal and correct choice by Ned. The Riverlands are under the protection by the crown. Had Robert not died and Ned had told him about his false children all Lannisters would have been killed in Kings Landing och most Kingdoms and most bigger families would have it easy to join forces against the Westerlands. Tywin did not have a plan or anything until Robert and Neds death. Even so, it tooked him until he was at Kings Landing until he really started to get a grip of things there. Before that he tried to save his armies since Robb kicked his ass, and during that time it was Tyrion who saved the realm and especially the city. I love Tywin, a lot. But he has never been so deeply involved with everything that has happaned. Two other people however, have!
Tywin was nuts to ever attack the Riverlands in my opinion, the fact that it actually worked out for him is almost beyond belief, it relies on: •The Baratheon's not being united. •Cersei killing Robert with no knowledge on his part. •the north declaring independence •Lysa being insane and under LF's control •Littlefinger siding with the Lannisters •Robb sleeping with Talisa/Jeyne •Roose Bolton betraying the Starks •Karstark going nuts •Edmure being a fairly incompetent battle commander If literally any of those things hadn't happened then Tywin would have been fucked from the start.
***** True, you can understandably dispute what Ned does here. To elaborate there's Pycelle, and others of Tywin's minions and accomplices strategically placed around King's Landing that are appearing to have no motive and creating the thus illusion that conditions to move against them were in his favour. But Ned had a pretty crappy hand at this point anyhow, largely due to Tywin's plans/manipulations already being very much in place all around him, and Catelyn's (also rather rashly) invoking the wrath of the Lannisters by taking a hostage to begin with (all on a misunderstanding, and to some degree manipulation from Littlefinger). Also his main, solid ally was Robert, which in theory being King is quite strategic, but he was so unreliable...
Loved this scene in both the books and show, even though they were very different. The book version had Loras stepping forward and wanting the honour of bringing the Mountain to justice, but Ned turned him down. and went with Ser Beric. I think it was Littlefinger that later pointed out to Ned the missed opportunity of not picking Loras, and of how he could have gained favour with the Tyrell's. It was suppose to be a win/win situation for Ned in this case, first was Loras being successful in bringing in the Mountain. That would help bring both Houses closer, and if Loras failed and got killed by the Mountain, would add another enemy to the Lannister's long list of enemies and making the Tyrell's allies to Ned. But of course, Ned being Ned didn't see it that way.
Big oof, but maybe Ned was worried that he was sending Loras on such a difficult mission that it might bring the enmity of the rest of House Tyrell? Would've have been a brilliant political play like you said
@@nkl7345 Nope! Loras stepped up for that honour and we know the Reach to me one of the more chivalrous in Westeros. That would have brought House Tyrell against the Lannisters and on Ned and Robert's side, mainly if they also found out Cersei's kids were Jamie's. They would not pass the chance to wed Margaery to Robert, even if it meant losing Loras. Look at it like a chess move, sacrificing a piece for something much bigger. Loras also a third son with nothing to inherit, no big loss when you still have Willas and Garlan. And we also know from Ned's chapters that he was not thinking about that, it was more of him looking down on Loras as not fit or capable for the job, when in reality he was the best option. Good fighter from a wealthy family and had a much larger host with him at King's Landing that was capable of getting the job done.
@@juve96 as far as i can remember ned turned loras down because it was more of revenge for him than justice because mountain attacked him in the tourney and he wanted to get back at him.
God it was so nice to see someone sitting in that chair who actually gave a damn about the people and wanted war criminals brought to justice. Shame it was just a fleeting moment, before madness took over.
But indeed madness must take over all the thrones and the wicked Games to win them ; as they are madness itself; subject to : The universal law of Cause and Conditions that made them.
This is why I love Ned Stark: he is wise, just and has an unbendable honor. He wants what is best for Seven kingdoms and takes his duty seriously, says the truth and does the right thing. In King's Landing, the court is full of lying selfish vipers, and Ned was like a breath of fresh air
I dont think this was a stupid move at all. This wasnt a period of chaos but "peace". Meaning, the Seven Kingdoms were pretty much united. Tywin either sacrifices The Mountain to the Kings Justice or gets labeled as enemy of the crown, causing another war. Its just not worth it. Tywin is not powerful enough to go against the whole realm or even take a gamble and risk it. And he is not stupid.
You're right. It is revealed in the books however that this was a ruse intended to draw Ned into a trap set by Tywin. Jaime shit all over this when he attacked Ned and wounded him, preventing him from riding out and seeing to the King's Justice on his own.
Rob Em in this case though, ned didn't have a choice. he couldn't ignore the fact that the mountain was riding around, blatantly insulting his wife nor slaughtering smallfolk, but he had to send people he could trust to actually deal with the problem. and since this is the mountain we are talking about he needed to send ALOT of people he could trust to deal with the mountain. Ned loses either way.
The Kings Hand wouldnt have left to strike justice. Ned knows his place and he is aware of what sort of place the south is. Ned himself strikes justice when he is in The North.
Yeah, it seems like people are quick to label Ned an idiot for this, though he really did the right thing. He knew beyond all reasonable doubt that it was Clegane, and despite being a despicable psychopathic brute Gregor wouldn't do anything like this unless ordered to, which Ned knows as well. He realises that Robert let's the Lannisters get away with too much, but he is supposed to keep the king's peace so had no choice but to do what he did. And as far as Ned's concerned at this point, Robert has behind him: the North, the Stormlands, the Narrow Sea houses, the Riverlands and possibly the Vale. He has no idea that the Baratheon brothers will fight, his son will ve the KitN and Lysa is completely nuts.
But Tywin is more powerful, than the Starks and the Baratheons. Rest of the Lords will ally with anyone they deem to be more likely to win. If Ned would've summoned Tywin to court, and negotiated over Clegane, then they could've avoided war.
Ned's a great man, no doubt. Problem is he wasn't dealing with other men like him. I think he made the terrible misconception that people viewed honor in the same way he did.
Honestly the part with Barristen Selmy where Ned shows him the letter from Robert is supppppperrr upsetting. Like he reads it.. Confirms its the late King Robert Baratheons hand writing and then hands it to Cersei where she rips it up and says no.... Like Selmy should have told the kings guard to rip Joffery and Cersei right of the throne after that. So out of character from Selmy. It just didnt make sense. I feel he could have changed everything. The inbred Lannisters stole the crown and i can't wait till Cersei gets choked to death.
I dunno. Ned's honorable, but very susceptible to manipulation. Even here, he's sentencing a man to die and risking a war based on evidence consisting of a bag of fish, and one random guys description of a large man.
That's the first appearance of Sir Berrick in GoT. No dialogue no extravaganza. No one could have realised that he will be such an important character of the series. Though the actor was changed.
+Peter Griffin He really would have. Can you imagine... no Joffrey... no Red Wedding... dammit. Moron. Self righteous. Stubborn. Honor obsessed. Just why Ned... GODDAMMIT
Apparently Westeros has a history of getting rid of rulers who were too good. King Orys I was just, but his reign lasted only a year and was succeeded by a tyrant.
It's really a shame Ned didn't live long enough to have his confrontation with Tywin Lannister over this event. Just imagine how awesome it would have been to have scenes with both Ned and Tywin in them.
To this day I think this is still one of my fav scenes of the entire show, I love how he completely roasts Gregor, and on top of that, threatens Tywin. Even the peasants are like "holy shit is this guy for cereal"
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man. sean bean is so perfectly suited for medieval fantasy roles.
+maxten his characters always die :(
Straight Outta Markarth right? He had to of been in the medieval times in a past life of his.
Even in video games as well (Oblivion)
Well, this role was a no-death cert 😄
yeh this is why he'd be the best HALT in ranger's apprentice show
He actually acted kingly
Heinz Guderian Shamely he did not have your tanks
Chen Alex I know right? Imagine Stannis and Eddard coming down from the North with a Tiger.
Heinz Guderian I am sorry mein General, but Roose Bolton had some T-34 at Winterfell...
***** lmao =)))))
***** Stannis had some Tiger tanks aswell,but they deserted..that's why he lost the war.
Ladies and gentlemen, the only justice to ever come from the Iron Throne.
+John Sutton When did he ever sit on it?
+Filip Lindkvist he is the one true king by the bloodright.
+LEGOMANIAC419 Yep, that's why Stannis need to sit on the iron throne.
Daenerys (or possibly a certain other character) has the bloodright. Robert was a conqueror. Stannis is neither.
Filip Lindkvist Robert became king that means targaryen bloodline is no longer royal.That makes last surviving Baratheon heir which is Stannis.
Legend says that, if you listen closely, you can almost hear Oberyn Martell cheering all the way from Dorne during this scene.
good one )
YES!
I dunno, Oberyn wanted a public confession and to kill Mountain himself.
Imagine a men like Oberyn Martel protecting/counseling Ned Stark
@@naveenparashar6062 that would've been pretty fuckin badass
Ned meeting Tywin would have been fucking great
***** Yeah seeing Jon Snow and Stannis were cool but Ned and The Mannis wouldve been great
***** But I do think Ned would have the same opinions as Davos on Melisandre
Ben Cook Ned was the one to inform Stannis of Joffrey's parentage, Stannis corrected the grammar in the letter the proceeded to circulate it...
Ben Cook that makes allot of sense... wish I could read the books.
Ned meeting Oberyn would have.
Beric Dondarrion before he got killed. 6 times.
He looks so different in the brotherhood, maybe a different actor?
+Nebuchadnezzar The Third Yes
Wait what...? But he is not the same guy who Arya met with Hound..
Shaleen Dalal As I wrote above, there were 3 actors that played him.
+MCShvabo I think just two. 3 was for the mountain
Love that last line. "Gold wins wars, not soldiers." "Then how come Robert is King, not Tywin Lannister?"
Who was king tho?
Tywin was king all but in name.
I think it was because Tywin felt more comfortable controlling things from the sidelines
yeah but if Robert declared Tywin to be hanged he would be hanged.
Korey Jordan I don't think Tywin would willingly let himself be hanged lol.
I love how Lord Beric Dondarion does not hesitate even one bit even though he'll being facing The Mountain.
What's Gregor gonna do, kill him? The other Clegane did that and it was barely an inconvenience.
@@Vorael Gregor actually killed him the first time if I recall correctly. At that point he didn't know there were any second chances, so yeah, major balls right there.
@@Vorael gregor killed him too. Beric just had the thickest plot armour 😂
And little did Gregor Clegane know the man he thought he killed would return to inconvenience him and his men many times more.
@@freddiem6805 It wasn't plot armor back then, it was part of the GOT lore, the story itself. That's not what I would call plot armor. Plot armor is what all our main characters had in season 7 & 8.
It’s a shame that we never got a scene with Ned and Tywin together.
@Ouissam yeah, neds first face to face exposure with tywin was him holding rhaegars mutilated kids to Robert
Dude never respected Tywin, he refused to let him take Theon and tried to stop Robert giving sweetrobin to Tywin too
Ouissam they would have been comrades during the Greyjoy rebellion.
Ikr
@Prithu Lol what books where you reading to even have that notion?
@Prithu you can imagine all you want, tywin lannister has never been sorry
If Ned Stark told Robert that his children were not his own:
- Robert executes Jaime and Cersei, not sure what he will do to the kids.
- Table is turned. Tywin is now being the rebel, declaring war against the crown.
- Stannis assembles ships at Dragonstone. Renly calls the banners of Storm's end, Highgarden automatically joins.
- Ned tells Robb to call the banners of the north.
- Now we have Winterfell, Highgarden, Storm's end and Riverrun against Casterly Rock. Stannis' ships as well. Tywin is fucked.
ifs ifs ifs
+ The Vale since they don't want to be called traitors or cowards when the results were already clear.
gg tywin gg.
Robert would kill the children because they are bastards and not related to him by blood. Remember he had the Targaryens slaughtered when the Mad King fell so he does have a brutality streak.
SirDobbsdaGr8 The Lannisters did it so Robert didn't have to get a bad name. Since Lannisters came so late to the war, they decided that only way to go through it was to kill the Targaryens for Robert.
He never wanted to kill them, but saw it as a threat to his rule.
A few bastards are not a huge threat to the crown.
You got there. it was the Lannisters, but Robert didn't punish them for the crime. Making him an accomplice and so he shares in it. I think he would've done the same thing if the Lannisters didn't. Its all hypothetical though Lannisters are a bunch of cowards
dont forget the vale because lysa is catelyns sister and also the martells because they hate the lannisters the most due to elia being killed
The greatest king Westeros never had.
Baelor Breakspear, Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, Maester Aemon, Aegon the Uncrowned, Orys Baratheon
Jaehaerys 1
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Aemon was never king, neither was Orys.
@@jonathandevers6609 i know that. the OP was claimign about Ned that he is the "best king they never had". i said the same could be true of others.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Sorry, I misread
Berric Dondarian was 100% ride or die for every single freaking season. He's the actual hero of the whole freaking story.
This. So much this.
Absolutely love Beric Dondarrion
I mean, his name really have a main character feels
Beric Dondarrion ....
That such a cool name
He's from the Stormlands so he's 100% for Robert.
who the fuck is berric dondarian?
ride or die and then get resurrected and ride again and then die and then get resurrected and ride again and then die and then get resurrected and ride again and then die and then get resurrected and ride again
Ned Stark is probably the only guy who sat on the Iron Throne who actually cared about the common people and tried to deliver them some semblance of justice when the high-born mistreated them.
A true king!
3:00 even the commoner was shocked to receive any kind of justice.
Tyrion Lanister is by far the best suited to rule the throne after Eddard.
There were others in the history of the Targaryens. Jahaerys I, Aegon V and Aenys and Baelor I just to name a few.
Yerrt Tube I like Tyrion as hand of the king better.
Ned was such a boss, he was one of the few people in game of thrones who had the balls to actually do something, instead of playing the boring game of politics.
Gamer2478 So he died
Chen Alex lmao
Gamer2478 you just jinxed it, those 2 characters will die next now :P
Chris vd Explain how Jaqen hagar can die? the guy is basically immortal lol, If they do kill him off it'l probably be in a bullshit way.
Gamer2478 How are politics boring?
Ned rocking that throne like a boss.
Nick Sibilla sometimes, I think he should’ve been king
Ebrahim Mostafa sometimes?
Lord Beric was a good knight with good skills, in the fight with the hound, it was visible.
@@Heeem13 Sometimes? Look at him, that is THE FUCKIN KING!
@@Heeem13 The thing is, I don't actually think he would have been a great king. Too much corruption for a man such as him to stay there long. He was very honorable and definitely a man to admire and emulate. I don't think he had the wisdom to compromise however. Not because of this scene per se, but the way he speaks to others in the small council, to Jamie Lannister, etc. To be an effective king who didn't just create more enemies than he can handle he would have needed to play the political game a little better and leave some of his barbs unsaid. Martin has talked before about one of the ways his writing differs from Tolkien is that he doesn't assume that a good man would be a good king and vice versa.
"I cannot give you back your homes or restore your dead to life, but perhaps I can give you justice, in the name of our King, Robert."
that's such an iconic line and such a Ned Stark thing to say
He said dead, not debt. But who knows. Restoring peoples debt probably means you can cash in twice. :D
@@FallenxMalo I subconsciously knew that
but my conscious brain is an idiot
He wants to bring justice, but immediately foregoes the basic principle of "audi alteram partem". The legal and judicial system of the Seven Kingdoms is a real joke!
@@Ar1AnX1x What would be even cooler is to hear out what Clegane has to say in his own defence, before he is condemned in absentia.
this line alone is better than all of the lannisters combined
that peasant is an excellent actor
Yeah, that expression he makes when Lord Eddard gives his order makes me chill...>w
Howard Beale Yes, honestly I don't think the peasants in this scene were expecting justice to be done, they probably came to beg for any reparations they could get from the crown. So when Ned decided to not just hold Gregor, but also Tywin Lannister accountable for their actions, they were elated.
Niall Cusack is the actor's name
I don't think he is a peasant. I think he is a lord in the Riverlands.
Cole Napier Elated??? LOLOL. They just had their homes and possessions burned, their wives brutally raped again and again and then butchered in front of them, their children grotesquely covered in pitch and BURNED ALIVE!
If by elated you mean irreversibly scarred and traumatized for life, then yes I agree with you.
This scene is more effective after you've been introduced to Tywin Lannister. Then it becomes 10x more badass as you know who Ned Stark is boldly going up against.
So true!!!!
Yep. Uts a whole different perspective now finishing the show and re-watching
yeah, and Ned essentially leaves Tywin with a dilemma: either come to Kings Landing alone and be executed, or don't come to Kings Landing and your vassals and every enemy Tywin has ever made get given a license to kill him. If Robert stumbles one way instead of the other, Cersei is executed for treasonous incestuous adultery and Tywin is executed for attacking men under the King's banner and attacking the Riverlands.
@@whyiaskyou Conclusion: The boar killed the King, the Hand and a lot of other people through the seasons.
It was the boar!!!
@@whyiaskyou Tywin would definitely bring all his bannerman, No way he gets executed
Looking back now, it's crazy how tiny of a piece of the puzzle Ned really was. I remember watching season 1 thinking ned was the main character for the entire show.
That´s why they casted Sean Bean who, at the time, was most famous actor in the show.
He is main character..he is remembered all the season
@@haskapaska I thought you would say that they casted Sean Bean because he always dies. lol
@@carolinarodolpho2951 I mean...you're not wrong. lol
That's why Baelor (s1e9) made such an impact. They made it look like Ned was the hero throughout the season. We all looked upto him. We thought nothing would happen to him.
I think the reason this scene is so beloved by fans is because that’s who should have been on the Iron Throne. Ned really belonged up there.
If by Ned you mean Stannis then, yup.
@@MrBurns-tf4if Ned was eaten alive. He didn't have the guile for the position. Ned would have worked if everyone else could have been decent humans along with him.
@@Nectarisa who just has a trustworthy and suitably clever council to cover his weakness. He'll Ned was holding his own except for LF.
@@Nectarisa Ned 100% had the guile to be King, Eddard Stark is probably one of the only men in Westeros next to Stannis Baratheon who'd be an absolutely fantastic King, the video above irrefutably proves it-he sent for Clegane's head after immediately hearing the story, he demands Tywin Lannister of all people come to court within a fortnight (i.e. he'd literally have to pack up and head off as fast as possible to make that deadline from Casterly Rock) or be officially branded a traitor to the Crown, had he actually maintain power and if LF didn't betray them, something just like the "Hour of the Wolf" would've occurred (when Lord Cregan Stark was Hand for a day and had a few dozen men hung and was adamant on punishing the Green Supporters).
Ned would have been a terrible King with his old ways mentality. It was his meddling that started the war in the first place. He was willing to sacrifice Cersi's children in the name of his 'honor'. Robert seemed like a good king to me.
Stark justice, I love it.
No justice happened though, Mountain didn't die and Beric was the one who actually perished (later revived).
+Rohan Kishibe and Heaven's Door *7 times
TenguBE that was a foolish action
Like the hour of the wolf. No one ever sees Starks in the south but when they turn up, watch out
TenguBE dunno if this counts as a spoiler but Ned loses against Tywin.
That man right there would have been the best King in history in all of the 7 kingdoms.
+mister8800 He would have been a very good ruler... just goddamn Ned. Honorable self righteous stubborn moron. Grr. No Joffrey... no Red Wedding... WHY NED
+Reckoning lol no
If we go by that logic:
1.) Then Stannis would have been a better King then all of them combined because ser Davos believed it and he was a respected Commander and soldier.
2.) Renly should have sat the Iron Throne because Loras believed he would have been a better King then all of them because he was loved by all.
3.) Robb would have been a better King because his mother believed it and he is a Stark you know. The one family who has been ruling their Kingdoms for thousands of years way before the Targaryens even heard of Westeros.
Whenever ser Barristan sings Rhaegars praises I take it with a pinch of salt because just like ser Davos, Loras Tyrell and Catelyn Stark he was biased as fuck towards Rhaegar. Yes he would have made a better King then Aerys, Robert and Joffrey but so would all of the Kings I listed above.
And way before he was crowned King he had already pissed of three of the Kingdoms he was supposed to rule.
1.) Stormlands for taking the betroth of Robert Baratheon the Lord Paramount of the Stormlands.
2.) Dorne for running of with Lyanna Stark while he was married to Princess Elia Martell and has fathered two children on her already.
3.) The North for running off with the Lord Paramounts daughter without an explanation or reason whatsoever.
And you know if Ned Stark knew how to play the Game of Thrones and wasn't so steadfast in his believes he would have made a better King then all of them. I admit I might be biased towards him but if he rules the seven Kingdoms with a good queen and has a good small council I could see him doing great things but that's just my opinion lol.
Lol no. He is incredibly foolish. The attitude that got him killed himself would have put the Kingdom in peril.
Ned as King would have ended quickly the same way as Ned as Hand ended. With him getting betrayed and fucking killed. All the Starks are too naive to avoid getting snaked.
Nobody deserves the Iron Throne more then Ned.
+Itachi Uchiha Stannis does.
The problem with Ned is that he would be dead within a month.
Funnily enough, Ned is the last person whom actually wants the Iron Throne. He had the chance to seize it for himself during Robert' Rebellion but he steered well away from that choice.
@@Serryy not. Hi killed his family.
Stannis never killed his family. Davos saved Edric, remember?
@@Serryy Stannis killed his daughter. Daenerys Targaryen should have ruled in the end. House Targaryen should have been restored for longer than a few hours. Nobody would have fucked with House Targaryen again or committed a crime without the possibility of Daenerys finding out. There would have been peace.
"Lord Beric Dondarrion. You will be recast immediately."
along with the Mountain
@@northernsupernova1 That's because the actor that played Beric forgot it was a tv show and killed the mountain actor.
@@Yue_Jin HAHAHYAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
@@Yue_Jinthat’s also why Beric was recasted. The original actor was in prison for Gregor’s actor’s murder.
@@Polo-wk7zlDuh
Four season and books later and I still miss Ned. :(
Stannis would have approved.
Stannis would've been hard
Ned should have sent Stannis. He would have got the job done.
Still Searching Dragonstone was under lockdown at the time
Agent Smith, that's a shame. I would have liked to see Stannis interact with Ned. For that matter, I would've liked to see Ned and Stannis interact with Tywin.
setting children on fire? Oh yes he would...
In the book, Loras is in this scene and volunteers himself to lead the mission but Ned overlooks him for Beric Dondarrion. In hindsight, it would've made sense to send Loras. Once Loras gets killed by the Mountain, the Tyrells would turn on the Lannisters.
Yeah that's a good idea.
+Harry Drake You really think Ned would've thought of that? 'cause I don't
+Magnus47damkier exactlly. it was a good political move...which is why Ned would have never thought of it, LOL.
+xaithoj I love Ned with all my heart, but when it comes to cunning political tactics, he's just plain stupid. Great lad though.
loras had good chances pf killing the Mountain if he was on his horse though
"that would be almost as brazen as attacking the hand of the King in the streets of the capital"
"well...."
lmao
Stark thinking "fuck it then"
Littlefinger doing his thing. 🤦🏿♀️
Yeah, Ned is like, "thanks, Littlefinger. Now I HAVE to do something."
Pycelle: “well….you’ve got me there”
Fucking Littlefinger just stirring the pot
The face the farmer made was priceless. Here he is probably only asking for some money, food, and a place to stay and he made the mountain public enemy number 1 and Tywin Lannister number 2.
Yeah, even he looked shocked, which I never noticed before.
😂😂😂 good call out
Lol Tywin number two'd alright. Wasn't gold though
Well, how often would a peasant in that society ever see a high lord doing true justice
Idk, man, in the book, Sir gregor clegane, actually gang raped under age girls.
And did many atrocities! I don't see it beyond him to do this.
I love how back in Season 1 they really needed to spell things out for us:
Littlefinger: "Fish. Why, isn't that the sigil of your wife's house?"
Ned: "Yes, Littlefinger. We both clearly know this. Why would you have to say it, unless you were informing an invisible audience?"
Littlefinger: "Cut off a horse's head with one swing, Ned. Doesn't this sound like somebody we saw do just that the other day?"
Ned: "..."
Littlefinger: "The Mountain."
Ned: "Go away, Littlefinger."
+James Gardner exactly what i thought
+James Gardner i think he just wants to make sure that Ned understands what happen, and kinda force him to take action in order for the war to start
+Reckoning so true
Gotta disagree. Thats just littlefinger being a no it all.
I think Little Finger is just narrating for the audiences sake so they understand what is going on.
I'm very glad to say my acting teacher played Beric in this scene. He's a cool dude and a great teacher.
Do you know the reason he wasnt ultimately cast as the Beric we know?
@@PRubin-rh4sr Scheduling issues probably, as with so many other characters
Cool
@@nicholaskenneth113 Most of the early-GoT recastings were because characters (e.g. Gregor, Beric) gained prominence from S1 to S3/4, and during S1 weren't worth casting with established, well-known actors, given budget constraints.
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Petyr Baelish: Gold win wars not soldiers.
Ned: Then how come Robert is king not Tywin Lannister.
Writing was so strong back then. Ned's breath catching up while giving orders is one of the best dialogue delivery I have seen in GOT.
And some deep irony in that one, too.
Well Ned clearly missed the possibility that Tywin simply wished to rule from the shadows, more or less.
"is he though"?
Yep and this dialogue isn’t in the book
@@CastlesKingSide He didn't really do that either though.
Sean Bean was the best actor of this show.
No he wasn't, he was great on the show, but Charles Dance and Stephen Dillane were better
+Flying Spectacles Charles Dance sure, Stephen Dillane nope
***** Stephen Dillane is a great actor, his character on the other hand.
Their all great awesome actors end of. But.. none of them compare to the mighty conleth hill.
+stud20084977 Look at Stephen Dillane, then at Book-Stannis.
Both are basically the same kind of person. Great casting, and great actor. A shame, D&D ruined the character, because they didn't like him in the books.
Ned's biggest mistake was assuming that anyone in the court had even a shed of honor in them.
aris theoh hehe yeah he truly thought they served the realm.
+aris theoh Beric Dondarrion
Yea berrick did
Barristan Selmy, Berric Dondarrion
tyrion does and debatably cersei and tywin a little bit
God I miss Ned and his Honer
Oops, thanks
+DisLB Maybe he meant to spell Boner. The H is above de B
No, I didn't
+Aa Bb He obviously has a boner for honor
+TheAdminSlayer Eddard Stark, ladies and gentlemen- the only man who would refuse being the ruler cause he was horny for honor
I love Beric Dondarion. Dude took his oath to the end of the road.
GRRM is really the best at writing lawful type characters. Ned, Tywin, Stannis, Beric. Prolly some of his richest characters can be considered "lawful" in a sense.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." To all those who think Ned was stupid for standing up to the Lannisters, the alternative is to let them get away with murder, rape and arson. Ned was under no illusion that this would be easy, he knew there were risks but he chose to challenge tyranny rather than shut up. That doesn't make him stupid, it makes him just, courageous and principled, and ten times the man cowards like Gregor and Tywin are. The only glitch was that Robert died, which he couldn't have foreseen. Maybe the stupidest and most cowardly thing was to let the Lannisters get away with their crimes and do nothing.
He should have kept his discoveries secret until Robert returned. While he couldn't have foreseen that Robert would be given stronger booze than usual, it wouldn't have hurt to wait a couple more days.
Luke Yin Not him physically, but what do you think Robert would have done to Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen?
I always thought that Eddard felt untouchable and too full of himself 'cause he had Robert behind his back.
Robert died, nobody remained to save Ned, Ned died because of Joffrey's stupidity
ArdoBlueMoon Tywin a coward? Lol.. ok kid.
Yes, some people pick on those weaker than them and pretend to be brave, when in actual fact, it's cowardly.
Ned's judgement sets in motion, the events leading to the formation of The Brotherhood Without Banners.
No need for a comma
prolly why they used 2 different actors for Beric.
Damm man...its true...i didnt remembered that Ned send Beric to bring Gregor.
Ned's judgement sets in motion the wars that would lead to the death of hundreds of thousands including his eldest son, youngest son, and wife. Fortunately the honorable King Joffrey brought justice to the disgraced traitor.
In the books we are in Ned's mind. In this scene Ned is thinking I should go because "The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword". Lord Tywin was a step ahead and knew what House Stark believe. Tywin wanted to trap Ned, but it ended up being Beric.
Ned would have been an excellent king
Tywin Lannister would have been a better king.
***** Ned is a good king of a area with less politics
King Dormak the chromosome expelling forniphile Punish Gregor for which atrocities? You mean Aegon and Elia? Tywin Lannister ruled the seven kingdoms for 16 years and the realm prospered so it's not an opinion it's a fact.
King Dormak the chromosome expelling forniphile He commanded Gregor to pillage the Riverlands because Catelyn had kidnapped Tyrion. Gregor wasn't the only one who did that either. Just look at the Stark forces.
King Dormak the chromosome expelling forniphile Perhaps but his soldiers still did those acts. Just look at the brave companions.
I swear every line this man says sounds like poetry
ned stark is such a fucking honourable badass.
Too bad he has to be in Kings Landing. His kind is only meant to rule the north.
badass- NO, fool- aye
Ser Bronn
"Isn't that your wife's house?" Like Littlefinger wouldn't know that...
+canelia Thank you, catapin obvious!
rhetorical question not actual question
Gotta remind the audience!
i think he was instigating there
They had some moments like that early in the first season, they needed some kind of not too obvious exposition.
Ned Stark was the embodiment of *Noblesse oblige*. That the nobility should act nobly.
360Nomad I used the same phrase in one of my speeches. Ned, such man even in the French Revolution would be executed by the fanatic revolutionary
Chen Alex I actually first learned that phrase when reading about the French Revolution.
And it got him killed.
Dr J Reefer True enough. Joffrey is not the kind of person who listens to reasons.
360Nomad Had he not been injured/broken and in a nest of vipers
The Direwolf would of torn the Lion to shreads ...
I love how Littlefinger was obviously trying to push Ned's buttons and urge him in a certain direction (maybe finally get him to realize how enormous a threat the Lannisters are and that their feud won't be settled in simple mutual combat), but once Ned took it a few steps beyond, Littlefinger just looks at him like "... what the fuck are you doing?"
Littlefinger is actively encouraging conflict between Stark and Lannister. This is just him moving a bishop or rook.
No Littlefinger is playing the tried and trued political trick.....leave some bread crumbs and let Ned come to his own conclusions. If Ljttlefinger had advised Ned to declare Clegane and Tywin traitors, Stark would have suspected Baeylish's motives. But helping Ned come to that conclusion on his own, Stark is more likely to believe it.
No, lol. Littlefinger literally wants this. He wants to create chaos that he can benefit from.
i know he's a prick but this really was just for the sake the audience to know wtf was happening
@@mrmofo36 Pycelle: "You are speaking to the Hand, not the King. The King is hunting."
Baelish: [aside, to Stark] "He's talking about Robert Baratheon."
This scene is the best. I love the reactions from everyone in court - they are absolutely stunned to silence by the doing of justice. just shows how corrupt the city must really be.
+shrimpanzee001 More likely they are just stunned because there are few who dared to do something so bold as to earn Tywin's ire.
Charlie0l9 then they should have been surprised when it turned out that tywin ordered it, not when ned ordered the right thing be done
too many fan boys here. What Ned is doing is clearly outrageous. He is the hand of the king but this is not a crisis. Its a conflict between his house (wife) and another paramount lord. He was motivated to act but was acting out of line.
I still get goosebumps when Ned stands up and lay down the law in Roberts name! one of my favorite GoT moments.
Such a powerful moment. Sean Bean does a great job of delivering and acting this scene
Just a small taste of King Ned Stark :(
Never really expected he would die that quick
@@harvestmoon1033 Me Too! I thought he was actually going to be the main character of the show so I was completely surprised and devastated when he was executed because I really liked him:(
@@Lalvon_Zelpharr I forgot was Ned stark one of the kings?
@@epicgameboy2752 he was warden of the north and hand to king robert
Eddard Stark. By far the greatest character of game of thrones...by a mile
finally someone who says ot how it is
After his death, everything went downhill for everyone.
Idk Tywin is on par in my opinion
@@austinlamonge4741 How ? The man who hid in casterly rock and when he saw the winning side he join them killed little children plunder kings landing, Killed his enemy in his wedding he was nothing but a clever fox
@@aestheticambience6712 Tywin from what you just said and the time we spent with him was leagues smarter and more capable of ruling than Ned was and ended up winning the war
Ned was such a badass. He and Robb were the only men in Westeros who didn't care WHO Tywin was. In a fair fight, army against army, general to general, Tywin didn't stand a chance. Hence the Red Wedding.
Traye76 You can add Stannis and Oberyn to the list as well ..
Traye76 the only people that didnt give a fuck about tywin were basically all the lords of the great houses on his level in nobility rank
the books dont tell us is the starks and their bannerman would have been stronger than the lannister. most people believe that lannister are richer and so on even though we know that its not true
z4easy Westerland are like 4 to 5 time more populated than the North and countless times more richer .. They had 64.000 men army and 10.000 more new regruts, Rob and the North bannermens had like 18.000 .. How the fuck they were stronger ? Only reason that they didn't get demolis was that Tywin divided his army in two and that they had Riverlands bannermans to help them .. People are to Starkfanboish when they look at stuff like this ..
Traye76 Tywin had four times bigger army and far more resources than the north so i doubt ..
ned
still my favorite character
balls of steel, heart a gold
that is justice....and everyones in that realm call him idiot because he had balls
+glorilol 95 They call him an idiot because he didn't prepare for the consequences. I loved Ned and he was really fucking honourable, but he didn't care about the Game of Thrones and thats why he died.
Karl Tanner karl!you fookin' legend whadya doing here? yeah i know the story thanks...but that was not the point i was talking about that scene when he try to do to do justice...the game doesn't mean you have too forget your ideals...honor isn't a stupid thing ned just use it badly...
@@glorilol9546 Ned was an idiot because he cared more about having a peaceful conscience than having a peaceful realm, he judged the lives of innocents to be worth less than his personal honour, this makes him a scumbag. Also he trusted littlefinger like a retard
@@firstnamett4656 It was his actions after Robert's mortal wounding that made him a retard. Trusting littlefinger, not taking Renly or Cersei's offer. Changing any of these choices might've been less 'honourable' but it would've saved the lives of thousands of innocents from war.
He ultimately cared more about his personal honour than his duty to the lives of the people in his care
@@AeneasGemini he trusted littlefinger because his wife trusted him.
The realm would have never been peaceful because The seeds of corruption were already there.
This scene is so epic. Robert brought in Ned because this is who he is. He's just. He's not afraid to do the right thing. But Robert was in such debt to the Lannisters, everyone knew he would have let this go with a slap on the wrist. Ned not only gives the Mountain what he deserves, he then doubles down and extends justice and responsibility to a man everyone in the room recognizes as untouchable. Even the guy who came there to complain about his lands being burned and his people being killed is like, "Whoa Ned, you serious?"
What would've happened if Bran never climbed that fkin wall
What would happen if Jamie didn't like his sister? wow, its jamies fault! i get it now! THE MORAL OF GAME OF THRONES, NO INCEST!!!!
***** you can fuck whoever you are pleased to fuck. you dont kill witnesses who accidentally watching you fuck
***** He wouldn't have joined the Kingsguard, he wouldn't have killed King Aerys and thus King's Landing would've burned to the ground, and thus the children of Cersei wouldn't have been crazy bastards, thus meaning that everyone would've lived happily ever after...until the Others(Whitewalkers) come around and slaughter them all.
Im pretty sure Aerys still wouldve lost the war without Jaimes help
Little Finger ... what if he never started the whole thing
A scene with Tywin answering for his bannermen crimes before Ned Stark would've been absolutely awesome. Damn it, they robbed us that chance.
+asel1124 Ned should have stayed for some more
Would have been too quick a series in fairness
A scene that starts civil war :D
FOR GONDOR!
FOR GONDOR!
FOR GONDOR!
Lmao
FOR GONDOR!!!!!!
Muster the Rohirrim
The Horn of Helm Hammer Hand shall sound in the deep! One! Last! Time! YES!!!! Now for wrath! and for Ruin! and the Red Dawn!!!! Forth Eorlangas!!!!
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Boromor is from Gondor? Not Rohan? lololol
"Isn't that your wife's House? Tully, your Lord Hand?"
"Sounds like someone we know. The Mountain"
Thanks Littlefinger. I don't think Ned remembered his wife's House or its sigil or what the Mountain looked like.
Yea that didn’t fit at all. Little finger wouldn’t point simple stuff like that out.
This was season 1 of the show, most viewers wouldn’t understand that Catelyn is a Tully who’s house sigil is fish, or that Gregore Clegane is also called the mountain and works for the Lannisters. It’s obvious to us now, but the show needed to explain these things to the viewer, which they did via Littlefinger in this scene.
Dude they needed to explain stuff for people who didn't read the books.
He's being sarcastic, it was tongue in cheek. Littlefinger was "rubbing it in" for ignoring his advice. He warned Ned about not messing with the Lannisters
Littlefinger’s whole MO in season one is to stoke the flames between Lannister and Stark. Whatever he can do to keep pushing this conflict, he’ll do.
"Then how come Robert is king, and not Tywin Lannister?"
Give it a couple of days, Ned...
+C. Potter yeah.. except not, he was never a king
+Jindřich Dolejš : He was king in all but name.
+C. Potter Couldn't say it any better.
C. Potter: great answer. who pulls the strings ? The mighty Tywin...
"He was king in all but name."
Only after Robert's death.
Eddard Stark would have been such a great king. So honorable. So powerful.
ye...unfortunately as we have seen so many times, honorable men dont seem last long in Westeros....
he is a idiot to say the least ..
Eddard could have taken the throne for himself but he passed it up. It was he, not Robert, who arrived at King's Landing. The Lannisters had sacked the city and were waiting for Ned's army to arrive; and when Ned arrived he found Jaime sat on the Iron Throne. Ned removed him from the throne: all Ned had to do was sit in it himself and he would've been King. Even Robert says that Ned should've been King. The whole war was between the Starks and Targaryens. It started because the Mad King executed Eddard's older brother and his father. The Mad King then ordered that Eddard be executed too. Ned was a ward under Jon Arryn at the time alongside Robert Baratheon. Jon Arryn refused to obey the command and revolted prompting the rebellion. I think that the fact that he had lost so much in the south was the reason he refused the throne. His father, older brother and his sister were all dead. He just wanted to go home.
*Massive Spoiler?*: He also promised something to his sister that likely prompted him to return home rather than take the throne: he had to keep Jon's identity a secret and keep him out of the way of the watchful eyes of King's Landing and "hidden away up north" as Cersei would say. Remember, Rhaegar Targaryen + Lyanna Stark = Jon (Snow). Given what happened to the other Targaryen children it makes sense to hide him away.
Kiciner Jems *an idiot..
creepyd444 It's his fault. Robert never wanted to be king, had Ned volunteered for the throne, Robert, being Robert, would've supported him. But no, Ned didn't want to be king either, and let Robert take the throne on the basis of his Targaryen blood rather than Right of Conquest. As his friend, he should've have known what Robert can and cannot do; while the man was a skilled warrior and commander, he was a shit ruler and administrator. And now the Seven Kingdoms are paying for that awful decision they made several years ago when deciding "who gets to sit in the world's most uncomfortable chair?"
3:34 , the look of triumph in Littlefingers eyes. He just successfully instigated a war! "chaos is a ladder". Brilliant
Littlefinger is a fucking web web weaver, I love and hate it haha.
+Fallout3131 he should have been named the spider
+subject18blueknight woah now
*chaos is a laddah
Fuckin hate littlefinger
3:45 It's so sad to see just how happy the common people are with Eddard as hand, all of their faces light up and glow. The only time justice was ever served in the whole show.
I just noticed another really cool small detail at 3:37, look how far he bows down! A huge gesture of respect.
@@knova7597 Yeah, those dirty little men…
@@knova7597 это жители Речных земель, а те что приветствовали казнь Неда были жители Королевской гавани
That's a pretty big inconsistency. If he is so beloved, why didn't the people rally to him when he was taken prisoner?
@@stsk1061Ned wasn't Hand for long, these commoners were probably thinking well of him, but that doesn't mean he was well liked by all of them. Most probably didn't care or even know who he even was. In fact, even these commoners thought he was the King, shows how far removed the High Nobility truly is from the average Person.
There's also the fact that Eddard wasn't actively working on improving the Life of the commoners. When he was in a situation in which helping a commoner was honorable, then he did so, but he never went out of his way to champion their cause.
Margaery actively works on endearing herself to the common folk to gain their support as part of her schemes, and they didn't even rise up in support of her so it would have been really illogical if they did so for Eddard.
Ned made no mistake, neither he was outfoxed by the Lannisters.
He died because:
1) Betrayed by littlefinger;
2) Betrayed by Renly (who betrayed both his brothers);
3) Betrayed by the whole court (including Ser Baristan) for ignoring the king's will;
4) Had a ridiculous amount of bad luck on Robert's death (yeah, Cersei was poisoning him, but a fatal wound from a boar in that hunt? Cersei was damn lucky, she shouldn't be relying on that if she really was smart)
If only one of the facts above didn't happen, things would have been different. Lannister schemings are overrated.
Baristan was Kingsguard, who would he defend ofcourse Joffrey.
Leandro CM i don't think that Renly betrayed him, Renly gave him the opportunity to take the iron throne, Ned refused. He was betraying Stannis if that would've been done, hence Ned said no
Christian Mesquida renly left ned alone in Kingslanding and crowned himself while ned was trying to do the right thing.He shouldve done his duty and helped ned secure the throne for stannis...
***** I agree that Ned made some mistakes if you look on the politcs perspective, but I didn't get the general feeling that it was foolishness or that he was naive, but that he made his "mistakes" consciously. He did know he was in a nest of rats and he didn't really trust in anyone, but he chose to take the risks doing what he thought was "right", because that's the perspective that moved him. And I do think Renly could have saved Ned and the throne later by mobilizing his armies right to King's Landing instead of opposing them against Stannis.
Leandro CM Maybe Cersei had a vision of Robert's death on the hunt?
yes I have some tin foil theories on the matter
Peasant: "none your - hand"
Eddard: "Are you fucking kidding me right now"
Lmfao
"My lord hand" I think is the proper wording
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Ned may not have been subtle or cunning enough to have ever had a chance against Cersei or Littlefinger but no one can deny that he had balls of valyrian steel
This man just represents what we all really love in fantasy and games of this genre. Boldness, royal manners, wisdom and justice. And of course a magical voice
I agree.
I love this scene. Robert picked Ned as hand for exactly this reason, his no nonsense style of ruling. But Robert would have likely objected to this in order to avoid civil war. Ned Stark stands up with the aid of his cane, levies the harshest of sentences onto Gregor Clegane, and if everyone wasn't shocked enough by his aggressive use of power to hold an anointed knight accountable for his crimes, he then takes it ten steps further and informs everyone that he plans to hold Clegane's lord, Tywin Lannister, responsible as well.
@Someguy136 I like to think that the old warrior side of him may have immediately gathered a host to march on Casterly Rock
Robert would have stopped ned instantly tywin is the one he is in debt too and the one who gives him the money for his feasts and tourneys not too mention this would cause a war robert is not in the mood to fight
@@hafeezasif7932 I doubt it. If that happened then the Tully’s would’ve had no choice but to raise their banners and wage war against the Westerlands. This would’ve drawn the Starks in and their vassals since Catelyn is also a Tully. Robert appreciates Tywin’s assistance but he still isn’t too keen of him and will side with the Starks. Which means the Vale would’ve sided with the crown and so would the Reach (especially if Renly still married Margaery in this scenario). This was definitely the best route for Eddard to go down out of bad options.
@@Allegiancy what are the westerlands whose side are they on? I think you made that word up
@@hafeezasif7932 Robert is always in the mood to fight
That end quote sends shivers down my spine:
"Gold wins wars not soldiers!"
"Then how come Robert is king, and not Tywin Lannister?"
Ned would have been a good just king, if only because he would never do wrong to the common people. He absolutely goes out of his way to make sure all is well, even if it's a responsibility he hates.
All the rest are not worthy of a bag of shit.
The end Qoute actually demonstrates how Ned Stark was really poor at the game. It's the gold that the soldiers fight for and no one has more of it than the mighty Tywin Lannister.
@@Aaditttyaaa Yes, he was poor at the game but he was thrice the man of any one of them there. I also feel "Northerners" are much more direct in how they handle situations, suitable in many affairs, but unsuitable in the political machinations of the south where everyone wears a blade beneath their robes. Mercenaries fight for gold. In Medieval times, soldiers fought because they are summoned by their lords to do so, otherwise their land and holdings are confiscated, so there is great pressure to answer the call to war, hence the oaths they swear when given titles.
"You're a fool if you think [current king] is king".
-Tywin Lannister
Ned is a great man but the whole point of his arc was that honor and morals get people killed in the capital. He would have been a great king to the people for a really short time before someone eventually kills him.
And thats exactly how you lose the keys to power (see CPG Gray's video on the matter), TL;DR tyrants throughout history were most likely tyrants because they needed key supporters to keep them in power (along with the obvious psychopathic disregard for human life), diverting resources for the betterment of the common folk means that you are diverting them away from the hands of lords, generals, bureaucrats.. etc (the keys) that ensure the actual longevity of your rule and keep the peasants in check, they will be more inclined to not keep them in check and thus enticing successful rebellion against your """autocratic""" rule
that is also why tyrants rule longer than "benevolent" autocrats
@@shamsuaddinrachedi792 You are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
I feel so bad for the little dude pleading to Ned, he looks so sweet and harmless, I'm heartbroken when I realize he is likely dead by now amidst the Chaos in Westeros, he seems like an honest person, scared and distraught.
+Legendary Niwatori these are the people that have been caught between the high lords playing their games, think of all the rapes and atrocities that have been committed against people like him
Season 5 and 6 the show is basically all about the rise of the common man.I was bored at first but then i realized how they have been trampled over and ignored by most characters AND us !.
Starry Eyed Sam I want whatever drugs you are smoking. Season 5 and 6 are a shift in power, but not between the powerful and the commonfolks. With the High Sparrow, sure. But that is not a season-wide theme, more rather it's just the plot of one story. The theme seems more like The Bad People making one wrong choice, and the domino effect it creates until they meet their end. Cersei entrusts the High Sparrow, she gets ruined. Ramsey kills his father, loses his military advantages and will inevitably die. The Nightswatch kills Jon Snow, he comes back and executes them. The ultimate rise and fall will be Daenarys before long, she is destined to become a villain with her horde of barbarian rapists that she plans on invading Westeros with. She will not be a benevolent ruler, she will be worse than the Mad King. At least the Mad King's immediate madness only stretched as far as the walls of King's Landing from the Red Keep. Daenarys will be spreading her madness throughout Westeros, and ultimately be killed. So the theme is more "Good Guys Winning For A Change" which has NOTHING to do with the smallfolk.
Legendary Niwatori
Ok you win.
The actor playing the Riverlands refugee is Niall Cusack
David Scott, who played Beric Dondarion in this scene, was my old acting teacher. Such a wonderful man who's lived such an interesting life
He was MY acting teacher as well, and I remember you. You once shat yourself in class and tried to frame the fat kid for it then he sat on you and you squeezed out some more turds.
I really wish that Tywin and Ned would try and roast each other.
+Nero Toxin shame they never met
They probably did meet, just not on screen.
thats his point. they never met on screen
Ned would shut Tywin down.
Charles Dance and Peter Dinklage beg to differ
If Ned were any smarter or sneakier, he'd know that him being king is what was best for the realm. The funny thing about this show and politics in general is that the people who would actually be great rulers and truly care about their constituents are the ones who are never devious enough to win the seat. It's a catch 22, that's why we'll never have any worthy presidents.
+Matt Josh his honor blinded him also Robert mentioned that Ned had the chance of being a king after the rebellion and Robert wouldn't say a word about it but he didn't want to which makes one love him even more and more
reason to love Jon Snow and not so much Sansa, who clearly will become power hungry (if she isn't already) for her own ends ("revenge")
@@youngmyth I see you thoroughly predicted D&D's shitty writing lol
@@youngmyth this aged well
he said 'I dunnt wannit"
That's a bold move Eddart Stark, let's see if it pays off.
13thforswarn Good dodgeball reference
You comment with no honour
+13thforswarn I'm sure everything turned out fine for him in the end. :)
Yet here we stand on the edge of the world
No, but he did
When you first time watch first season, you really don't understand these scenes, but later you realize how brilliant this scene is.
Lord Eddard Stark, honorable man. A good man. He has no business in the world of liars and traitors. Every good and just leader that sat in the Iron Throne even the Hand of The King/King Regent of the Throne meet very tragic ends.
Even the benevolent King Aegon V of House Targaryen met a very heartbreaking end. He knew how the life of common people were, he felt their suffering and their joys firsthand when he served as squire to a humble and honorable knight Ser Duncan The Tall. A song of Ice and Fire universe is not a place for good and honorable men/women, only people who can dip their legs knee-deep in shit and corpses survive long enough.
Think that's the whole point though. I don't think Robert was that bad considering they were so close and ned fought lead his successful rebellion. Ned didn't change. Robert did being king.
As soon as ned was asked to make calls for the king, he also changed. A position of power is very hard to stay true to you're character
The last time justice was ordered within this throne room.
Looking back on season 1, it's so clear how Littlefinger is doing everything in his power to manipulate the court and instigate a war to reach his ultimate goal, the Iron Throne. He's a genius.
And now he is fawning over Sansa and revealing shit he shouldn't be revealing publically (that he wants the throne) and declaring for a house thats not clearly the strongest (Starks) thereby cutting off his whole play all sides manipulation.
As Cersei said - "Do you know why Varys is the most dangerous man in the kingdoms?"
"He has no cock to do half his thinking for him"
LF finally into the pussy trap lol
He's the prince, from Niccolo Machiavellis book of the same name in the flesh.
Ned Stark looked more like a King than anyone else who ever sat on the throne throughout this show. With the recent crime of Tywin & the Mountain here, Ned was ready to give them justice that was 17 years overdue.
Not a bad move actually. Ned couldn't have forseen that Robert would die, so if Robert had come back from the hunt unharmed, Tywin would've either been forced to admit to giving Clegane the order to wreak havoc in the Riverlands and risk the consequences, or he would have been forced to deny it, cutting all ties from house Clegane and losing one of his most valuable tools for terror. In any case Grecor would have been done. No titles, no lands, no protection by Tywin and probably with a price on his head. And a guy like him would have trouble to not be recognised everywhere he goes. Even if nobody could take him head-on, a well-prepared trap with a couple of crossbowmen, and the Mountain would ride no more.
+Wurzelknecht hell the hound would succeed him in house clegane, sandor might hop into the mountain smashing brigade even on tywin's order or the kings, and the hound is the best man over than oberyn we have seen in going toe to toe with the mountain
twiliblade
Yeah I could totally see that happen. The day Gregor would be declared an outlaw and free game for anyone with enough guts and a weapon in hand, would probably be one of the happiest days...ok one of the less miserable days in Sandor's life.
You do know that all this was just a trap for Ned, right?? :) Tywin knew the throne couldn't ignore this, he knew Robert would be furious and he would send men to capture him. In this case: the Hand: Ned.... The Mountain would have waited with a much bigger force and capture him. But Jaime hurt him unexpectedly and everything fell to pieces. But yeah, it was a good move from Ned... it had a pretext to force the hand of the Lannisters and Robert would have backed him. Hell, even if he had been captured.... it was a very risky move from Tywin, it could have started a huge war and the same alliance that killed Aerys would have fought for him... maybe even more kingdoms.
Vlad Bayard With all his flaws Robert Baratheon was not a man to rest until his until enemies had bitten the dust, whether it was the Targaryens, or Greyjoys..
If Tywin lifted a hand against the king he could expect no mercy. The same alliance that ended the Targaryens would have ended the Lannisters.
This time the Lannisters would be facing Robert, Ned and the north, Robb, Stannis, the Tyrells etc.
The Lannisters would be finished.
Ned knew what he was about when he called out Tywin.
Nice to see Ned act like a boss and not take any of the Lannister's shit.
To bad it was short lived.
Ned was such a badass. He was real af. I miss that dude
yea after that jon snow revelation you can just admire him
Almost forgot how incredibly well done season 1 of this show was. Up to tywin's death being very good as well. Sure... the littlefinger expositing is unrealistic for book readers but forgivable and useful. Then you have pycelle's Lannister loyalties and corruption in the kings court being flashed brilliantly. Ned's slight expression of irritation at their pestering as he just wants to listen to the plaintiff . Then the great reaction of astonishment and the subsequent admiration of the countrymen at ned's decicive pledge for justice to be brought upon the lannisters. Then the little baelish and ned dialogue at the end. Sean bean captures a brilliant physical presence and vocal character that has tones of steadfastness, courage and power, mixed with clear traces of fear, concern, confusion and strain. I particularly like his commanding conviction when he shuts up Pycelle towards the end. Great characters in a great scene in a great show.
he wasnt expositing, he was mocking ned and openly humiliating him by pointing out his leg injury in a roundabout, smarmy way
As well as stating the obvious as if Ned did not know his wife's house.
@@lordlossize if it was only that part I'd partly believe that, but I have to admit, Petyr in this scene just felt like they needed him to poorly to convey worldbuilding.
"Oh a fish, that's your wife's house's sigil! Don't you know your wife's house?"
"Wait, a tall big man, that's The Mountain. Remember not-viewer, the big mad man is The Mountain and a Lannister lackey."
"Oh they attacked your territories, almost like you being attacked while in public, almost like this is a political maneuver, huh? Huh? Nudge nudge wink wink!"
@@SteelBallRun1890 to save time and effort ill label your quotes as 1,2, and 3.
1. he was mocking ned, and saying without saying "oh wow look someone wants your wifes house dead, i wonder why?"
2. i would agree with you there, he didnt make much of a snide comment when mentioning the mountain, but later on he gives his sarcastic "can you think of any reason why the lannisters are pissed at your wife" comment, so i think it kind of evens out.
3. he was mocking the fact that ned got attacked openly in the street and got his leg busted. he didnt outright say it because he wanted to twist the knife and humiliate ned in front of the whole room without them knowing he was being humiliated
@@SteelBallRun1890 I would have gotten rid of pycelle and Baelish if I was Ned. Better to have the enemies outside then in your own government. Same way Tyrion got rid of that one guy when he was acting hand.
This is a perfectly normal and correct choice by Ned. The Riverlands are under the protection by the crown. Had Robert not died and Ned had told him about his false children all Lannisters would have been killed in Kings Landing och most Kingdoms and most bigger families would have it easy to join forces against the Westerlands.
Tywin did not have a plan or anything until Robert and Neds death. Even so, it tooked him until he was at Kings Landing until he really started to get a grip of things there. Before that he tried to save his armies since Robb kicked his ass, and during that time it was Tyrion who saved the realm and especially the city.
I love Tywin, a lot. But he has never been so deeply involved with everything that has happaned.
Two other people however, have!
Tywin was nuts to ever attack the Riverlands in my opinion, the fact that it actually worked out for him is almost beyond belief, it relies on:
•The Baratheon's not being united.
•Cersei killing Robert with no knowledge on his part.
•the north declaring independence
•Lysa being insane and under LF's control
•Littlefinger siding with the Lannisters
•Robb sleeping with Talisa/Jeyne
•Roose Bolton betraying the Starks
•Karstark going nuts
•Edmure being a fairly incompetent battle commander
If literally any of those things hadn't happened then Tywin would have been fucked from the start.
***** True, you can understandably dispute what Ned does here. To elaborate there's Pycelle, and others of Tywin's minions and accomplices strategically placed around King's Landing that are appearing to have no motive and creating the thus illusion that conditions to move against them were in his favour. But Ned had a pretty crappy hand at this point anyhow, largely due to Tywin's plans/manipulations already being very much in place all around him, and Catelyn's (also rather rashly) invoking the wrath of the Lannisters by taking a hostage to begin with (all on a misunderstanding, and to some degree manipulation from Littlefinger). Also his main, solid ally was Robert, which in theory being King is quite strategic, but he was so unreliable...
Ned has the biggest balls. One of my favorite chararters
***** its an expression
+scythianhero I think Lord Stannis was hinting that you should comment on the size of his testicles.
+scythianhero 3:15 "Grand Maester Pycelle: before you send that raven, look around your chambers and see if you can find a fuck for me to give."
;)
My god Ned looks so good on that Throne.
The one true king
Loved this scene in both the books and show, even though they were very different. The book version had Loras stepping forward and wanting the honour of bringing the Mountain to justice, but Ned turned him down. and went with Ser Beric. I think it was Littlefinger that later pointed out to Ned the missed opportunity of not picking Loras, and of how he could have gained favour with the Tyrell's. It was suppose to be a win/win situation for Ned in this case, first was Loras being successful in bringing in the Mountain. That would help bring both Houses closer, and if Loras failed and got killed by the Mountain, would add another enemy to the Lannister's long list of enemies and making the Tyrell's allies to Ned. But of course, Ned being Ned didn't see it that way.
Big oof, but maybe Ned was worried that he was sending Loras on such a difficult mission that it might bring the enmity of the rest of House Tyrell? Would've have been a brilliant political play like you said
@@nkl7345 Nope! Loras stepped up for that honour and we know the Reach to me one of the more chivalrous in Westeros.
That would have brought House Tyrell against the Lannisters and on Ned and Robert's side, mainly if they also found out Cersei's kids were Jamie's. They would not pass the chance to wed Margaery to Robert, even if it meant losing Loras.
Look at it like a chess move, sacrificing a piece for something much bigger. Loras also a third son with nothing to inherit, no big loss when you still have Willas and Garlan.
And we also know from Ned's chapters that he was not thinking about that, it was more of him looking down on Loras as not fit or capable for the job, when in reality he was the best option. Good fighter from a wealthy family and had a much larger host with him at King's Landing that was capable of getting the job done.
@@juve96 as far as i can remember ned turned loras down because it was more of revenge for him than justice because mountain attacked him in the tourney and he wanted to get back at him.
The evolution of Littlefinger's accent is probably more interesting than anything else in this show lmao.
DAAHK FOWCES
I really dislike it in the later season. It feels like a really forced voice.
@@eddymannylow8216 it wasn't forced, the latter one is the actor's actual accent, he spoke in the same accent in peaky blinders!
@@prajjwaltripathi8468 That is NOT his real voice. Mf sounds like he's auditioning for Batman in every season after 1.
I honestly thought littlefinger was the worst character in the show, his accent didn't fit, and it just gets worse as it goes on
My favorite Ned Stark moment ever.
God it was so nice to see someone sitting in that chair who actually gave a damn about the people and wanted war criminals brought to justice. Shame it was just a fleeting moment, before madness took over.
But indeed madness must take over all the thrones and the wicked Games to win them ; as they are madness itself; subject to : The universal law of Cause and Conditions that made them.
This is why I love Ned Stark: he is wise, just and has an unbendable honor. He wants what is best for Seven kingdoms and takes his duty seriously, says the truth and does the right thing. In King's Landing, the court is full of lying selfish vipers, and Ned was like a breath of fresh air
Ned's wife taking Tyrion on the assumption that he was the one who tried to kill Bran was the turning point in the series
One of many. Lysa writing to Ned and Cat telling them that the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn on LIttlefingers behalf set the ball rolling.
Rob Yeah, we should not forget who started all this. "Chaos is a ladder".
mark belmares the actual turning point was when "someone" was stupid enough to attempt to murder Bran in Winterfell!
X Xavier It was joffery most likely. The knife was one of Roberts, and Joffery thought killing bran would be "humane" and would impress his dad.
Rob no, that was planned. Cats move wasn't intentionally, it was surprising.
I dont think this was a stupid move at all. This wasnt a period of chaos but "peace". Meaning, the Seven Kingdoms were pretty much united. Tywin either sacrifices The Mountain to the Kings Justice or gets labeled as enemy of the crown, causing another war. Its just not worth it. Tywin is not powerful enough to go against the whole realm or even take a gamble and risk it. And he is not stupid.
You're right. It is revealed in the books however that this was a ruse intended to draw Ned into a trap set by Tywin. Jaime shit all over this when he attacked Ned and wounded him, preventing him from riding out and seeing to the King's Justice on his own.
Rob Em in this case though, ned didn't have a choice. he couldn't ignore the fact that the mountain was riding around, blatantly insulting his wife nor slaughtering smallfolk, but he had to send people he could trust to actually deal with the problem. and since this is the mountain we are talking about he needed to send ALOT of people he could trust to deal with the mountain. Ned loses either way.
The Kings Hand wouldnt have left to strike justice. Ned knows his place and he is aware of what sort of place the south is. Ned himself strikes justice when he is in The North.
Yeah, it seems like people are quick to label Ned an idiot for this, though he really did the right thing. He knew beyond all reasonable doubt that it was Clegane, and despite being a despicable psychopathic brute Gregor wouldn't do anything like this unless ordered to, which Ned knows as well. He realises that Robert let's the Lannisters get away with too much, but he is supposed to keep the king's peace so had no choice but to do what he did.
And as far as Ned's concerned at this point, Robert has behind him: the North, the Stormlands, the Narrow Sea houses, the Riverlands and possibly the Vale. He has no idea that the Baratheon brothers will fight, his son will ve the KitN and Lysa is completely nuts.
But Tywin is more powerful, than the Starks and the Baratheons. Rest of the Lords will ally with anyone they deem to be more likely to win. If Ned would've summoned Tywin to court, and negotiated over Clegane, then they could've avoided war.
Dude ned would have been the best king
+Skip40T0 he honestly would've. Ned is honorable and just, but those qualities also failed him, and in the end got him killed.
Ned's a great man, no doubt. Problem is he wasn't dealing with other men like him. I think he made the terrible misconception that people viewed honor in the same way he did.
Honestly the part with Barristen Selmy where Ned shows him the letter from Robert is supppppperrr upsetting. Like he reads it.. Confirms its the late King Robert Baratheons hand writing and then hands it to Cersei where she rips it up and says no.... Like Selmy should have told the kings guard to rip Joffery and Cersei right of the throne after that. So out of character from Selmy. It just didnt make sense. I feel he could have changed everything.
The inbred Lannisters stole the crown and i can't wait till Cersei gets choked to death.
the kings guard are probably on the lannister payroll
I dunno. Ned's honorable, but very susceptible to manipulation. Even here, he's sentencing a man to die and risking a war based on evidence consisting of a bag of fish, and one random guys description of a large man.
That's the first appearance of Sir Berrick in GoT. No dialogue no extravaganza. No one could have realised that he will be such an important character of the series.
Though the actor was changed.
I always thought he was recasted.
littlefinger "gold wins wars, not solders"
ned "then how come robert is king, not tywin lannister"
BURNED!!!
Littlefinger also said information is power before Cersi said power is power.
Damn it, Ned woulda been such a good ruler.
+Peter Griffin He really would have. Can you imagine... no Joffrey... no Red Wedding... dammit. Moron. Self righteous. Stubborn. Honor obsessed. Just why Ned... GODDAMMIT
Stannis The Mannis nah, King's Landing is too toxic for him.
Apparently Westeros has a history of getting rid of rulers who were too good. King Orys I was just, but his reign lasted only a year and was succeeded by a tyrant.
Ned stark has balls of valyrian steel
It's really a shame Ned didn't live long enough to have his confrontation with Tywin Lannister over this event. Just imagine how awesome it would have been to have scenes with both Ned and Tywin in them.
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To this day I think this is still one of my fav scenes of the entire show, I love how he completely roasts Gregor, and on top of that, threatens Tywin. Even the peasants are like "holy shit is this guy for cereal"
I cannot give you back your homes, or restore your dead to life....
But I can give you a great tariff on O2
Only British people would get that joke. He doesn't do voice overs anymore though.
Iam not british and I get it lol.......
I should've said British or lives in the UK.
Khaled S I dont live in the UK :)
LOL
RIP Beric Dondarrion I'm going to miss your amazing voice.
I hoped he would be alive till the end but the writers fucked up the good characters
My man Eddard.The best character in the show.Intense,fair,disciplined ,honorable.