Greatest video on TH-cam. My parts should arrive soon for converting my new 201TC-M to T. If I'm going to lose an engine from running lean, it's going to be my fault. Not leaving it to chance with the Mtronic system.
Great video and conclusion, I’ve noticed exactly what you’re talking about differences in tune to cut. It’s difficult to keep it adjusted from one day to the next for optimal performance vs the M-Tronic auto turning between days or cuts.
The problem I have with the m-tronix saw is the cost to replace the ignition module, $175. The saw I have, a MS261C-M has run 5 years and the module failed. Is it less expense in the long run to convert it to a standard carb and ignition? There are a lot of after market parts available. Or maybe buying a Husqvarna saw and sell the Stihl for parts.
Have a parts # list? Mines doing just fine now but few years down the road standard carb might be the way to go!! I cut firewood not a professional logger so Mines not getting ran daily which worries me on m tronic longevity.
Look guys you proved what I have suspected for a while and that you get absolutely no gain from it. Its main purpose is too make it impossible to change your carburetor settings and make guys have to bring your saw in for expensive diagnostics because you cannot figure out what’s wrong with it. I think your wrong saying its better to use m tronic because different trees or limbing requires different carb settings, if it cut thru those blocks better then it will do everything better. All my m tronic saws stall when starting just as i saw yours do, thats not a great feature!
@davido6915 hey same issue there ! Starts easily with starter on but when I accelerate it stalls. I pump the primer bulb again and see it's empty. This happens a few times then it's all good. Any way to fix it ?
One of Mtronic's biggest failings is a lack of qualified repair people and those who are forced to shotfun a repair instead of diagnostics that point to the failed component. I suspect the non Mtronics will be running for years after the Mtronic saw is dead and buried from lack of parts or from excessive cost to repair.
Interesting. I bought a non M Tronic 462 a few months ago. Dealer said that was all he could get due to the chip shortage. I like simplicity but was thinking I should convert to electronic to always have the optimum tune without any fiddling. Maybe I should rethink that.
What does dust have to do with m-tronic working? Nothing. It's just a simple sealed solenoid instead of some adjusting screw. How often do your solenoid adjusted fuel injector in your car fail due to the solenoid going bad? Never.
I’m in the states and managed to get my hands on a standard model🤙🏼 the problem I’m running into is the stock carb adjustment only gives me less than a full turn. Did you gjys figure a solution to get past the stock adjustment stops?
I've been looking at buying a new saw and tossing up between the 491 and the 462 obviously the 462 as the mtroniks. Is it better just to get one with manual carb adjustment?
Yea but man its faster in meduim wood seems like not tryed 462 yet only held it to try the balance..afraid of those auto mtronics..like to feell and control the cutts
It’s not so much for that one second, but rather the reliable carb setup over the fail prone M-tronic. I’m not all about fixing what’s not broken so to speak, but I am in big favor of simplifying a given setup to ensure years of reliability.
@@Vickvineager People complain about the M-tronic, while in reality, it is extremely rare for that feature to go bad on a saw. In fact Stihl dealers have to do more carb work and rebuilds on regular carbs than the electronic ones, on saws the same age. Only occasionally does one not work properly, and the majority of people who talk crap about it are hardcore old-schoolers who don't like it because it's 'computerized' and 'fail-prone' lol
@@joshuamusser8893 , I have a 661 c with Mtronic... Ignition coil is busterd. Saw didn't run for 30 hours. Contacted shop, ignition coil not valid for waranty... The best thing is they not sell the mtronic version in my country, no parts available and I can't fix my saw...WTF?? I have to order igniton coil from ebay, but dont know if will fit...Have a 026 from 2002 and works without any issues...
Hi, the components you used of which model are? Here in Italy they sell only the version with m / tronic. Did you find any great differences with the classic carburetor? Thanks for the video
@@lukasebel3994 The real advantage is perfect tune at all times, so more torque and cut speed. Also, there's nothing complicated about this simple solenoid setup, it's still a regular carb in an m-tronic.
@@em4703 Yeah, perfect tune at all times until the firmware misreads or miscalculates conditions and you lean out. Now you own the upper. Mtronics is fine in concept but a chainsaw is an unforgiving environment for the electronics and wiring.
32:1 only hahahahahahahaha what a waste. 50:1 thats what Stihl recommends you guys running all that oil in the gas thinking you are adding protection kills me. You are doing nothing but letting less gas through the carb. fuel cools and makes power not oil!!
Greatest video on TH-cam. My parts should arrive soon for converting my new 201TC-M to T. If I'm going to lose an engine from running lean, it's going to be my fault. Not leaving it to chance with the Mtronic system.
Awesome video,I've been wanting to switch my362 from mtronic to reg carb. Tired of solenoid problems and no way of fixing in the field. Thanks.
Great video and conclusion, I’ve noticed exactly what you’re talking about differences in tune to cut. It’s difficult to keep it adjusted from one day to the next for optimal performance vs the M-Tronic auto turning between days or cuts.
I have a 462 at his shop! Can’t wait to get that thing back lol
What a great test. Thx for all your knowledge what you guys share with us. Greetz from Germany
That Tsumura bar is a thing of beauty!!!
I am a tsumura dealer if you want one shoot me an email :) ammotesting@gmail.com
Out of all the reduced weight bars who has the lightest?
In a 28"
Nice work,thank you for sharing.
:)
The problem I have with the m-tronix saw is the cost to replace the ignition module, $175. The saw I have, a MS261C-M has run 5 years and the module failed. Is it less expense in the long run to convert it to a standard carb and ignition? There are a lot of after market parts available. Or maybe buying a Husqvarna saw and sell the Stihl for parts.
I bought the MS - 261 pro saw less the m - tonic. Glad Sthil is still offering them with or without the m- tronic. Like the carburetor model myself.
nice video .here in the philippine we only have a standard carb for the 462 which is good.
greetings! 462 carb is a great saw
yes i manage to get one after two weeks of long waiting. its true ,this saw rips.
Nice work , thanks for the upload !
:)
I see Julian has been sweeping
Have a parts # list? Mines doing just fine now but few years down the road standard carb might be the way to go!! I cut firewood not a professional logger so Mines not getting ran daily which worries me on m tronic longevity.
Look guys you proved what I have suspected for a while and that you get absolutely no gain from it. Its main purpose is too make it impossible to change your carburetor settings and make guys have to bring your saw in for expensive diagnostics because you cannot figure out what’s wrong with it. I think your wrong saying its better to use m tronic because different trees or limbing requires different carb settings, if it cut thru those blocks better then it will do everything better. All my m tronic saws stall when starting just as i saw yours do, thats not a great feature!
Aflleet comnand said can buy the parts cheaper ..but dont know about them
@davido6915 hey same issue there !
Starts easily with starter on but when I accelerate it stalls. I pump the primer bulb again and see it's empty. This happens a few times then it's all good.
Any way to fix it ?
New carb and a rocked chain.
I love m tonic we need to find a way to tune it, they need a bit more fuel.
One of Mtronic's biggest failings is a lack of qualified repair people and those who are forced to shotfun a repair instead of diagnostics that point to the failed component. I suspect the non Mtronics will be running for years after the Mtronic saw is dead and buried from lack of parts or from excessive cost to repair.
Interesting. I bought a non M Tronic 462 a few months ago. Dealer said that was all he could get due to the chip shortage. I like simplicity but was thinking I should convert to electronic to always have the optimum tune without any fiddling. Maybe I should rethink that.
I hate the new mtronic crap. Just found 2 261s with out it still on shelf had to buy them while I still could
The M tronics are prone to fail in very dry dusty conditions such as a wildland fire application the air filters stop up way to fast
That's why I run the stokel stack's from red beard saws they work really really well
What does dust have to do with m-tronic working? Nothing. It's just a simple sealed solenoid instead of some adjusting screw. How often do your solenoid adjusted fuel injector in your car fail due to the solenoid going bad? Never.
So to swap over not only do I need the carb but also the new coil and fly wheel? Would it still work with the mtronic coil and an adjustable carb?
Kick ass !!! nice work :)
I have a 462 from Greece. Excellent saw. Is Scott doing better? Sure hope so
Put some full skip chain on that bad boy 🤘
Why if it has the speed and power to pull full?
I’m in the states and managed to get my hands on a standard model🤙🏼 the problem I’m running into is the stock carb adjustment only gives me less than a full turn. Did you gjys figure a solution to get past the stock adjustment stops?
Awesome video, so the parts you need for this swap are the Carb, flywheel and ignition coil from a non M-TRONIC 462 and you're good to go?
also a wiring harness and air filter / carb base
I've been looking at buying a new saw and tossing up between the 491 and the 462 obviously the 462 as the mtroniks. Is it better just to get one with manual carb adjustment?
Me to kinda
Yea but man its faster in meduim wood seems like not tryed 462 yet only held it to try the balance..afraid of those auto mtronics..like to feell and control the cutts
Seems like it's got more torque with the standard carb setup
It just seems.
Color me dumb. However, do the 462 c machines have the m tronic system? Or only the 462 cm inits have m tronic system?
If there’s an M that means M-Tronic. If there’s no M then it’s just a regular carb.
Got a ms441c with mtronic. Is it possible to do the conversion? If so where can I find it? Thanks. Great video!
honestly i don't know sorry
Bravo
What was the point to change it??
If it’s not broke don’t fix it .....reg carb has worked just fine...good job
Id like to tell that to all the software engineers out there.
NVG So has the two man buck saw..progress is a good thing.
You could say the same about car engines. But we would be stuck with 4.0l snails barely doing 200hp.
I bought a 462 carb with the manual tuning I'd like to convert it to m tronic. Any idea what that would run me in parts?
whats the point of messing with them for 1 sec difference ? I don't get it
They didn't know what the result would be before they tried it.
It’s not so much for that one second, but rather the reliable carb setup over the fail prone M-tronic. I’m not all about fixing what’s not broken so to speak, but I am in big favor of simplifying a given setup to ensure years of reliability.
@@Vickvineager People complain about the M-tronic, while in reality, it is extremely rare for that feature to go bad on a saw. In fact Stihl dealers have to do more carb work and rebuilds on regular carbs than the electronic ones, on saws the same age. Only occasionally does one not work properly, and the majority of people who talk crap about it are hardcore old-schoolers who don't like it because it's 'computerized' and 'fail-prone' lol
@@joshuamusser8893 , I have a 661 c with Mtronic... Ignition coil is busterd. Saw didn't run for 30 hours. Contacted shop, ignition coil not valid for waranty... The best thing is they not sell the mtronic version in my country, no parts available and I can't fix my saw...WTF?? I have to order igniton coil from ebay, but dont know if will fit...Have a 026 from 2002 and works without any issues...
Hi, the components you used of which model are?
Here in Italy they sell only the version with m / tronic.
Did you find any great differences with the classic carburetor?
Thanks for the video
bought a non mtronic 462 in greece.
@@Redbull661 but the different between mtronic and normal carb?
Is still 6kg with the carb or its more lighter?
Thanks and sorry for my English
@@mariosupertramp9396 Same weight,but I prefer normal carb,M-tronic has problem with solenoid.
@@arpadgyulai5534 do you know why stihl used zama carburator on the 462 and not the traditional walbro?
@@mariosupertramp9396 Because Stihl has Zama carburator factory in China,but dont worry I have Stihl FS 250 with zama carb. without any problem.
Can be this done with stihl FS560 c em brushcutter?
which mark of this bar ?
Thanks guys!
:)
So there is no use for an unlimited coil here?
both coils are limited by timing.
Put a coil on off a 440 or 460
Can this be done with the 661
yes. don't need to change the flywheel though. so that is nice. join opeforum.com there is a guy in the for sale section who sells kits from Europe.
Not as good ..... no sticker hahaha thanks J &TM
:)
A company.puts a wire on something and every old timer in the world craps their pants
But it makes stuff more complicated, harder to fix and more complicated, while offering no real advantage.
@@lukasebel3994 The real advantage is perfect tune at all times, so more torque and cut speed. Also, there's nothing complicated about this simple solenoid setup, it's still a regular carb in an m-tronic.
@@em4703 Yeah, perfect tune at all times until the firmware misreads or miscalculates conditions and you lean out. Now you own the upper. Mtronics is fine in concept but a chainsaw is an unforgiving environment for the electronics and wiring.
32:1 only hahahahahahahaha what a waste. 50:1 thats what Stihl recommends you guys running all that oil in the gas thinking you are adding protection kills me. You are doing nothing but letting less gas through the carb. fuel cools and makes power not oil!!