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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2021
- Comparison video between S&S SuperStreet 2-1 and TBR Comp S Full exhaust systems. My bike is a 2020 Harley Davidson Lowrider S with a 114 and S&S 475 Cam stage two kit. My bike was tuned initially with a power vision and base fuel map from Fuel Moto followed by an auto tune session on our local dyno. The reason for the exhaust swap was a flat spot between 2500-3800 RPMs as was shown on the dyno sheet. I will be doing a follow up video comparing the two dyno sheets once I have an opportunity to get some more pulls.
Exhaust from:
www.fuelmotousa.com/series-22... - บันเทิง
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Awesome sound quality! Was almost like I was there 🤌
Sounds and looks much better with th S&S. Im thinking about swapping my royal T for one.
I had a TBR and sold it.
I loved the look and fit but wasn't completely happy with the sound.
I think your S&S sounds better, deeper.
Sounds great!
Looks way better than the TBR, too much black is overdone. Sounds great too!
S&S engines, cams and pipes roar like a lion!
Your neighbours probably like you about as much as my neighbours like me. Lmao. S&S sounds WAY better and your video helped me make my choice. Thanks man. Nicely done.
Thank you, I appreciate it! Over the last few months though I had felt like there was a loss of power and started looking into another pipe. Very happy with this one and worth you checking out. The dyno results are on this one. This is my latest video on exhaust and now after running this one for a month I am certain that it’s the right one.
th-cam.com/video/OsIiKwHp63U/w-d-xo.html
@@robb907 I’ll be sure to check it out. I appreciate the work you put into this. Nice work man.
@@jeremyhall568 thanks dude!
Dude what's that black hex thing over the oil level dipstick?
I love the s&s sound much better hands down it's a deeper reacher sound not to mention the SNS cam and the s&s pipe work harmoniously 😎 together the way it was designed to 👌🏽
I wish that were true but not so much. I eventually went with a fuel moto jackpot Riot On this bike. I have another video on the TBR and this pipe against that one. If you’re interested check it out
th-cam.com/video/OsIiKwHp63U/w-d-xo.html
Cool looking bike.
Question, after your bike is warmed up what RPM does it idle at? I also have the S&S 475. Really like you idle set point.
950. I read lower than 900 would reduce oil pressure too much though
The s&s pipe is the only real equal length header you can get for a non bagger, underrated for sure.
Actually, there are quite a few other pipes out there. The thing about this pipe I did not like was that it’s older technology, and the step up on the diameter of the headers isn’t there or if it all adds closer to the muffler. It’s been a while since I looked at it, so I don’t remember exactly. Good looking pipe, great quality, but wasn’t impressed with the performance overall.
On top of that don't you have to use their specific brake pedal. If I'm right that thing looked like it was out of a school bus😅. I like your videos man. Do you have one on the street with that s&s kit. Thinking about doing the same thing to my lowrider
Badass man!
Thanks man!
Sounds killer
No comparison to be had with that one. S&S pipe sounds evil
Sounds good !What pegs do you have on your bike?
Harley 80 grit. They’re great pegs
Did you need to change the brake lever or add spacers for the S&S?
I don’t recall if I did because I’ve change the exhaust since then. I think that there was spacers that came with it. Definitely did not change the brake lever. I bet if you check the components list on one of the retailers like RevZilla would probably tell you.
What was the torque difference between the two pipes, as well as hp difference?
On the dyno tomorrow and I’ll put the two sheets up next vid
What were the final numbers with the s&s pipe? I have the black s&s pipe and about to get a full s&s 475 kit installed with the s&s 55mm intake manifold.
Number 1 Harley - Davidson.🌎🏍🇺🇸🦅
#Freedom.🗽❤
S & S got my vote
Yeah man, bike runs so much better now without changing the tune or anything else
HPI exhaust are excellent
That s&s sounds nasty and seems to help you rip even harder. Freaking sweet man
Hey mate, excellent comparison video. I've got a stainless bassani road rage on my 128 cube lowrider s with s&s 475 and its a bit too loud.. I was thinking of trying to tame it down a bit with that S&S pipe. I'd love to see a comparison with the dB killer installed/ removed. Just worried the cops here in Australia are going to give me a hard time with how loud it is at the moment.
I can ride without ear plugs now whereas before I had to at least wear a full face helmet for the sound to be bearable. Still loud but nothing near where it was. But that’s a good idea to do a comparison with the db killer and without. I’ll see if I can get that done in the next few days and put it on here. How you like your 128? Trying to decide if that’s my winter project this year.
@@robb907 I love it! And the high compression pistons really add to the note and volume of the exhaust too.
@@aussiev8muscle Very nice! Probably going to do a similar build myself just have to commit and order the stuff I suppose. So I put the DB killer in this morning. It’s definitely a lot quieter. I’ll put up a video this week for sound comparison. I talked to technicians out Fuel Moto and they said probably an increase of 3 to 5 lbs ft of torque and negligible horsepower difference from their testing. I definitely like the way it sounds better with it in. Good classic Harley sound.
Hi, I'm in Sydney where the cops defect you if too loud. I have a FXLRS 117 with the Superstreet and tried it without the dB reducer, seems to pull better with it in plus I love the sound with it in.
I also have forward controls and no ground clearance issues at all.
@@aussiev8muscle here is the comparison I did:
th-cam.com/video/1jLstT1Dmtk/w-d-xo.html
When I did the video I was thinking I liked it louder better but after some time with it in I decided that it had a more truly classic Harley sound.
Since then I’ve gone with a Jackpot Riot by fuel Moto. But I t’s a pretty loud pipe so if you’re battling the Po-Po’s then you’ll do well with the S&S. Performance wise though nothing beats this Jackpot, at least from the four pipes that I’ve tested.
Is that a center oil dipstick ? What’s the use for ?
That is a ventilator dipstick made by fueling. Helps relieve some of the crankcase pressure that contributes to sumping
S&S got my vote. If you leave it on and don't change the exhaust it will get louder. Take another video in two or three years after 15Kmi.
S&S all day long bro! Sounds deeper and has a wayyy better bark to her
I was gonna write something about about being a good neighbor but you don't care, obviously. Ride safe.
Actually I do. I have great neighbors too.
I like the TBR sound better.
Can u tell a difference with the cam
Huge difference
What height handlebar risers are you running?
5.5 pull back. 1 1/4”. I love ‘em. www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/drag-specialties-1-14-buffalo-handlebar-risers-for-harley?sku_id=958385
@@robb907 thanks those are the exact ones I have been looking at. Did you have to extend the clutch line? It looks like I will have to on mine or possibly rout the line similar to how the brake side is.
@@sickinmyduck4017 I wanted to keep the factory routing so I went with a longer upper cable. 37 inch is what I bought and it fits perfectly. On the other hand, my buddy has a lowrider and rerouted to the other side and works pretty well that way too.
@@robb907 Thanks for the reply. Sorry to keep asking follow up questions but I have 2 more. Did you have to get new top clamp bolts for the riser to run the factory top clamp? Also it looks like you are running a larger air cleaner with the factory 114 cover plate. Could you tell me what route you went on that? I originally was looking into running arlen ness air cleaner but really liked the look of what you had.
@@sickinmyduck4017 it’s fine to ask, it’s why I put this stuff out there because I hadn’t found much info when I searched. The K&N Ventilator back plate kit is what I used originally from fuel Moto. But the oil from the air cleaner gets all over the side of the bike plus my knee noticed the fatter air cleaner and I didn’t care for the interference. So I actually am now running an Arlen Ness Monster Sucker. Originally I got one with a cover but looked too big on this bike I called Arlen Ness had them send me a new backing plate to run the filter naked. What I like about the Arlen Ness is that you don’t have the effort to clean and re-oil. Just loosen tne hose clamp it pops off and then you wash it in Dawn dish soap and water, rinse, shake the water out and let air dry for a couple of hours. Way easier.
I used the stock bolts because I’m using the stock bars and the clamp saddles are the same as factory
What seat do you have?
Saddlemen. Very comfortable
Did the S&S have catalyst?
No. Mine was the 49 state legal version.
Interested in selling that TBR? That's if it hasn't been damaged & fits a 2021 FXBBS Street Bob..
Thanks for asking but it’s long gone
thats the one S&S
I assume that the S&S was more compatible with the factory tune.
You could be right if running the cat version maybe? This is the non-cat version so I would definitely want a new tune but this bike is stage to build at the time I made this video
@@robb907 The bike sounds wicked with either pipe. Hard to tell in the vid but it looks like the bike goes like hell with the S&S. Tune must be good!
@@chromesporty4984 it sure did. Just finished an S&S big bore install. I have been filming it and next week will try to see if I can piece the footage together to make something worth watching.
I like them both, the S&S seems quiter but it sounds more authentic than the TBR
Yes, I agree
@@robb907 I watched it again and yes the S&S sounds fantastic, and it doesnt have that raspy declaration. I have a set of pythons 2 into 2 and that's one of the best qualities is the decel is just a nice deep bass but the revs are spanky
Have you got the Dyno done ?
Of the S&S pipe, yes. But I have since swapped to a Fuel Moto Jackpot pipe. My local shop has been too busy so hoping to have done today or tomorrow. Then I’ll post a vid of dyno sheets on all 3
@@robb907 I have fat bob 107 with S&S475 TBR 2-1 Turnout and I am not happy with performance that pipe provides. Lack of low TQ feels like it was better with a Stock exhaust and Rinehart mufflers.
Did you feel that you gain more performance with S&S ? Than with TBR ?
@@amg5795 I had the same experience. The SNS pipe was steady power band without a torque dip down low, but overall torque and horsepower was quite low. The Fuel Moto pipe is really strong bottom to top. Really looking forward to the dyno numbers
@@amg5795 get the hike dynoed to get rid of the flat spots. I have the same bike same cam but with a bassani and my low end up killer compared to stock
Did you consider that it was the cam that was killing your torque? That S&S 475 is notorious for having no torque down low.
Heard a lot of people talk about that, but it wasn’t the case. And I did this video later on with the jackpot exhaust. I put dyno sheets in this vid with all three exhausts, same tune. Lots of talk about the S&S 475 being a torque killer, but my experience was that it was the exhaust, not the cam.
th-cam.com/video/OsIiKwHp63U/w-d-xo.html
@@robb907 I just saw your other video. In that one, you don't show the dyno results compared to any baseline, only against the other pipes. So, for me trying to decide on a performing cam,,,,
Anyway, your bike sounds real nice under load! I found a set up for me that I LOVE at idle, but under load, not as much.
@@tyroneshoelace4872 no I did not include the baseline in this one but at the very end of the video I have an overlay dyno sheet with the three pipes I tested and you can see the dips in the TBR and the S&S and it was the same tune for all three pipes. Since then though on that bike I built an S&S 128, with a .520 lift cam, Fuel Moto Level A heads, etc.
What set up did you go with? I’d like to know, I geek out on this stuff! I have heard a lot of other’s cams and I like the sound of the S&S the best for stage two but I have started liking the Wood cams a lot more. I have seen several of the TBR pipes not hold up to the big doors, whereas the jackpot pipes are designed for up to 160 HP.
Just finished a big bore on my ‘22 Road Glide ST. “Roadiculous”. SE 131 cylinders 11.5:1 pistons, Ward +1 heads, .600 lift Wood 9960 cam, HPI 62mm Throttle body, and some other goodies. Heat cycle is done now waiting on clutch parts and will then tune it. Looking forward to that one.
@robb907 Man, you are really going for it! There's so much to learn when getting into this stuff. Are you doing any of the engine work?
I wasn't planning to go past stage I, but the 114 just doesn't sound very good with that. So, now because of that I have to go to stage II.
I've researched this, and yes, the S&S 475c sounds the best, but it really lacks torque until you rev up, and I don't rev up. Other cams perform better, but if it won't improve my sound much I won't do it. I saw a TH-cam video of someone who has maybe the best sound I've heard on an M8 but he's using the 475, and we never know about the performance when you mix & match components until you dyno it (another $700.00?). I could send the link to you but you're off with other work now.
@@tyroneshoelace4872 I did all the work on that Lowrider but TBH, I’m kinda over it. I was a wrench bender for a long time so one and done! Plus Anchorage House of Harley has always treated me really well.
S&S sounds so much better IMO.
You should have gone with the Woods 22xe cam. It performs better than that S&S. Comes on sooner too
Nope! Although Wood cams are my favorite for big bores, stage II are better with the S&S. My buddy had a Wood22XE in his fat Bob and the S&S outputted it every time whether from a dig or rolling. That being said, I used a Wood WM8 408 in my 128 build and it performed really well. This winter I’m bidding a SE 131 w/ 11.5:1 pistons, ward +1 heads, and a wood WM8 9FX .530 lift cam. Should be a screaming build.
Sound wise the shorter pipe will be louder...But the longer one will give you the better lowend...
True. I have a Jackpot Riot now. Superb.
@@robb907 I run a V@H 2 into 1 Propipe on my Dyna FatBob...Have you heard of Stealth of Cali they make short 2into1 Stainless Steel pipes...Not terribly loud but make good power across the power band i hear...
@@bradlozano2571 I have not, but I do like the V&H. Here my Jackpot vid. Dyno sheet at the end if your interested in those numbers th-cam.com/video/OsIiKwHp63U/w-d-xo.html
@@robb907 Great Bro...glad you found the pipe you were looking for👍😎
TBR all the way
Sounds more like a Harley
I prefer the TBR
Not a bad pipe at all. The loss in torque at the bottom made it frustrating for me. Love the look and the sound though. The S&S pipe had a better power band but less power and torque. Last night I put on a Jackpot Riot pipe. I’ll put that on the dyno next week and put up a vid with all 3 pipes’ dyno sheets. So far I am impressed with the Jackpot.
@@robb907 when comes the dyno? :D
@@the_luki Hopefully in a couple of days. Our dealer here has been backed up
Longer pipes = more torque!
Most definitely. This video is pretty outdated. The same summer I made this video I ended up with a fuel Moto jackpot riot, and I use the jackpot RTX on my baggers. Hands-down best of all the pipes I have tried, and I’ve tried a lot.
TBR.
D&D FAT CAT supposedly makes the most power. W that said I'm not impressed w the quality of materials used to make it. They cheap out on the stainless used to make it.
I have no experience with that one but I can tell you that I just put a Jackpot Riot on a couple days ago and it is the best one yet. It sounds the best, performs the best and looks awesome. As soon as I took it out of the box I could tell that the pipes are pretty thick compared to everything else. Not the latest exhaust system but we are talking Harleys here LOL. Going to try to get that on the dyno in a day or two and then I’m going to do a wrapup video on the three pipes that I’ve been testing.
@@robb907 all good lol, you wanna test it get a magnet. If it's good real stainless it won't stick. If it sticks it's the same stainless that a Chinese grill is made out of lol. Fat cat it sticks to it and it shows as it's rusty. I'll have to look into the jackpot. I put fat cat on my fat Bob. I bought it second hand dirt cheap. I don't think the guy knew how much they cost new. I'm real glad I didn't pat new price as like I mentioned junk stainless. Pipes are thick yes but cheap stainless no Bueno.
@@parkersgarage4216 ah yes, good idea. I’ll put a magnet to them when I get home and hit ya back.
@@robb907 awesome lmk what you find out bro as I'm curious.
@@parkersgarage4216 The magnet only stuck in the elbow area of the rear cylinder. Otherwise the rest of the headers and the muffler, el no stick-o
Go for the stainless turnout tbr :)
Tbr sounds better to me
Wanna sell the tbr ?
I already did. But truthfully two weeks in now, I have been having some tuning issues with this S&S pipe. I have one more thing to work with but may end up going back to the TBR. This cam is pretty sensitive and I’m thinking it likes the shorter exhaust. I ran some auto tune sessions on a different map and now I am making the same power as with the TBR but I have gotten rear cylinder Rich codes twice. Will have my Target Tune wide band set up today so we’ll see if that cures it. Soon as I get my results together I’m going to post another video with the dyno sheets.
@@robb907 i have a 15 street bob with thunder header but I really like the tbr. My opinion the tbr sounded better on your bike. Thanks for responding
@@randysutton5395 after trying this pipe for a couple of weeks I tend to agree. Probably going to go back to TBR just for that one reason right there. But I’m also kind of a data geek so while I’m at it I’m gonna finish my comparison I guess lol
TBR sucks til 3500 rpm
S&S sounds much much nicer 2 me
S&S = adult rider
TBR = Teenager
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TBR is well known to be garbage, particularly in the sport bike world.. it offends me they’ve expanded to HD
Agreed. Not a fan.