Camaro RS Comparo
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- At High Octane Classics, Steve reveals the many differences between second generation split bumper Camaro Rally Sport grilles, plus a bizarre optical illusion is revealed and the story of why GM’s Norwood, Ohio assembly plant CRUSHED 1,100 brand new cars in 1972.
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There seems to be some confusion here, a 1973 RS would still have had the round upper front lights and split bumper with the nose extension. The Z/28 in this video did not have the RS package from factory, someone has added on the split bumper. You can check this all yourself with five minutes of Googling. Factory brochures will show this and there are some low original miles Survivor RS/Z-28 1973 cars that have the same configuration as the orange one in this video.
You are correct, and saved me from having to make the same comment. I had a '73 RS, and it looked just like the earlier models. What is portrayed in this video is another poorly done RS Z/28 clone.
yes you are correct and steve is wrong on this one
Wrong. 73 is same as 70-72. You got a modified 73. Should have full bumper….
@@HeavyMetalTom Was that a reply to me? Because you said basically the same thing I did. :) And that is correct, the turn signals under the bumper always had full bumper, one reason was to fit the license plate in front and center otherwise it covered the passenger signal.
before you do a video on RS camaro you should know whats true......your "73 RS" is not a true rally sport
All R/S Camaros from 70 to 73 looked like the orange car. The burgundy car is a standard non R/S front that someone but bumperetts on. 1973 standard front bumpers also had an additional thick steel insert inside to meet the new impact standards.
Yes, you are correct. I cannot believe this video was posted, and I hope he does a retraction.
@@lizzard71 100% How was this was posted?
Correct!!
yeah youre rite.....Steves must be smokin crack
Until now I had believed the round signal lights were on SS Z28s only for all years.
I like Steve's content and he normally has everything correct, but he got it wrong about the '73 Camaro in this one. All 1970 1/2 through 1973 RS Camaro's had the split bumper, round turn signal lamps inboard of the headlights and enduro/urethane nose in front of the grill. Others have noted it, but the '73 is a normal Camaro that has the long bumper replaced with the split bumpers from an RS - it still has the turn signal lamps below the bumpers and no enduro/urethane nose - so not an RS. Those commenting on liking a particular year like 71 or 72 I guess don't realize that 70 1/2 through 73 are nearly identical except for very small differences, so if you like 1 yr you probably like them all...(70-73 that is).
i like the 1972 firebird grille
Exactly!
Yes, the 73 is a fake split bumper. Good catch.
They were 1970 models- there was no such thing as a "1970 1/2" Camaro.
@@JClark-34695 True they are 1970 models, they are just often referred to as 1970 1/2 because they came out aprox 6 months late. Kind of like 1964 1/2 Mustangs which I believe were really all 1965 models, but came out early in April rather than August
You are wrong about the 73, the one you show has the standard front end that someone just put split bumpers on. The 73 RS still had the rubber front grill surround and upper round turn signal lamps. Just look at a 73 Camaro Brochure and you will see.
I believe that even in 1973 the RS option included the circular inboard turn signals. If a gen 2 has a split bumper, it has to have the circular turn signals, and lots of guys add the split bumper to non RS Camaro's for the look, but it definitely not "correct".
Correct. 73 RS had a bigger egg crate (squares) and more reinforcement but certainly had the round signal lights and the urethane nose. This video is wrong.
I agree. All the published literature I've seen on 70-73 Camaro's has the RS using the higher mounted round signal lights. I've run to a few people claiming their square signal "RS" cars came from the factory like that. However, there's no RS code on the body tag. I theorize that the dealers probably modified a number of these to be an RS. Wasn't totally unheard of for a dealer to add or change options.
Yep. i was one of those guys that did that to a 1973...LOL
I may be going out on a limb here but my 73 RS Z28 had the parking lamps up by the headlight... And if you look at a 73 brochure it shows the RS had the parking lamp up by the headlight as well. To me people with the solid front bumper would put the short bumpers on it to try and make it look like an RS. I'm sure if you looked at the build sheet for that red one you'd find it's not an RS.
Jake you're right. The car on the right is a non RS with the RS split bumpers. All RS cars from 70 thru 73 had the round turn signals
You are 100% correct. The burgundy car is a standard front with the full width bumper removed and R/S bumperetts installed.
I have a 73 split bumper and I love Steve and I know he's very knowledgeable so I was doubting the validity of my own car! As far as I know all split bumpers were the same 70 to 73 .
@@vittobonofiglio8976 steve is wrong 75% of the time
@@carmineredd1198 LOL
The RS front end was unchanged from 70.5-73. That feller cganged that to a split bumper, but not an RS. I feel weird correcting you lol. Great content, and, as always, thanks for takin us along...
RS was the same from 70-73 not 70-72.
I own a 70 Z22 and a 73 Z22.
The only difference was RS Rally Sport versus a non RS Rally Sport.
The. RS had the slit bumper due to the urethane nose that stuck out too far for the straight front bumper of the non Rally Sport bumper to fit. Creating the bumperttes known as the split.
The RS has a different grill, front header panel, lower valance, fog lights, bracing, and grill divider. This was the same from 70-73. Not 70-72 and then changing in 73 like you said.
I know more details but refrain from going on and on. I was very surprised that you said something wrong. I know you know your stuff. Just not the differences of a second-generation Camaro apparently.
Love ya Steve.
Hope you're not upset with my correction.
The non Rally Sport you refer to as 73 only was actually just a 70-73 non RS model. They along with the RS both were around since 70. That 73 in your video is in NO WAY a Rally Sport. Not unless the front clip was changed out for a non RS.
You should redo this entire video and then make me your consultant lol.
By now it looks like you'll be in a long line of consultants, so many of us now have corrected Steve. :D
@@spamanator666 Yeah that's what happens when you get ahead of yourself and drop a comment before reading others. Crazy to see such a encyclopedia of automotive information get something so wrong. But that's the great thing about cars is you don't really know anything until you own one and immerse yourself in it.
@@roadsideguy5902 I think Steve is more of a Mopar guy...
@Robert C for sure. You can tell he is just sending videos out as fast as possible to drive up his revenue. It's just crazy that he could be so off. But he could have just been in a hurry idk. I have said things like 383 small blocks referring to a mopar. I knew it was a big block, but in the moment, I said it wrong, and my buddy felt he had to teach me. I was just standing there listening to him explain what I already knew. I deserved it, so I listened, lol.
Love the videos Steve, but as many have noted the 73 RS cars had round parking lights too And while you are correct that SS (RPO Z27) and Z28 badges superseded the Rallysport emblems on the fenders, there was no SS grill emblem on an RS-optioned Super Sport. RS 2nd gen cars also have an extra chrome ring in the taillights so you can ID them from the back as well.
The circular headlamps being in that location always made those earlier models look better to my eye... and I love how the 4th gen f-bodies have the pointed nose & recessed grill like these older models! So many similar lines.
Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us, Steve!
I still lament the loss of wing windows and drip rails on all cars. So much function from those simple pieces.
They gave us astro ventilation instead which was nice, but would be nice to have both. Thank the bean counters.....
Awesome content again Steve! Can't wait for some longer videos! Could watch your stuff all night!
That orange SS Camaro is just beautiful!
The split bumper Camaro with the round directional/parking lights are my favorite! Thanks for the comparison Steve. You are The Guru of Car Specs 👍
Back in the late '80's I had two '71 RS-350 two barrel automatics in Garnett Red, black standard interior, and with black vinyl tops. The only difference was that one of them was a dealer installed vinyl top and the other was factory. It was interesting seeing them both parked in my driveway, but the strangest thing was that both had been painted white after removing the vinyl tops. I was lucky to have them, but sadly they were both sold like all the other dumb things I did in the past.
The splittys pre 73s are my fav Chevy's ever made! Wicked looking cars!
Agreed, beautifully styled vehicles.
Another cool video. Thank you for your time.
All split bumper Camaros had extended front grill and round parking lights
Man those where and are great looking beautiful Camaros! I knew a guy that had one back in 1979, great to know the history and sad ending of some of them beautiful cars being crushed! I never knew about it! Wow! Great stuff Steve!
The iin depths info u give is really appreciated! On all your vids keep it up!!!! Great content!!!!!
Steve that 73 did not leave the factory with that bumper. It would have had the full length bumper. Someone has added it. Very common modification by an owner. The 73 is NOT an RS. Love your shows.
The second generation camaro especially the 70 to 72 was my favorite back in the day on the week ends there was one that cam from a few cities away to find me and want to race I had a 66 chevelle running 12.0s and every week end he would go home a looser but his 72 z28 was a beautiful car I loved that car. Awesome content Steve keep up the great work 👍
My first car was 71 RS camaro. Thanks for the info, Steve!
Optional drip rails! I've heard it all now!
Another awesome informative video. Thanks
Thanks again for a great video....learn something new every time.
Amazing history on the 2nd gen camaro Steve. Man I’m heavy hearted about the Norwood 1100 story. Thanks for sharing. Kutgw
Steve, I owned a 73 Camaro Rally Sport that I bought in 1974 & it had the split bumper with the round parking lights & the rubber nose like the car on the left, are you sure that the car on the right is a Rally Sport?
I have lived in Norwood off and on since 1968 and almost cried when I saw them crushing the cars
Nice good info thanks, Steve
Fascinating story on the Norwood plant.
Great report Thx !
I cannot believe that a tv network hasn't picked this guy up!
I think it used to be pretty common for guys to stick RS noses on standard Camaro’s, I’m sure it led to a lot of confusion years later, when the cars had changed hands a few times.
Steve great video. I’m a 2nd Gen owner myself
Back in the 70's dad had a 71 RS camaro with a 307 it was sungold yellow with a black interior, it had hub caps and was a low optioned car. The grille was similar but there was no badge on the grille and the leading edge of the grille was polished.
I love the split bumper I even love the Vega with that front end thanks for the video Steve I would like to see more about the evolution of the Camaro
Both are very beautiful automobiles, then there's a license plate half the size of the grill . Goodness gracious what the heck!! Keep up the good information videos Steve. I remember that article on the grill reflection back in the day.
How interesting. My friend had a split bumper 1970s Camaro with a 307 and 3 speed manual. Cool car for a 16 year old.....
I own a 1971 RS/SS, with build sheet. Van Nuys , CA. built car. Never had an SS emblem in the grill center. And the grill face was silver painted to match the chrome.
I remember back in the early 70's having a neighbor with a white Camaro with the blue stripes, I'm thinking it was a Z car cuz i believe it had the open grill and twin bumperettes,i think it had some kind of hood treatment too.but that was my first memories of a muscle car that got me into them. Along with the rat fink art work on T shirts and in magazines and I think there were stickers too if I'm not mistaken. A few years before the Camaro,my landlord at another house had a 63 or 4 red Impala that he bought new and garaged it daily,not sure if it was an SS,but he kept this car meticulously clean and well loved! This was in the early 70's, and although I loved the car for its sheer beauty,cuz man,he had her gleaming! I loved going for rides in her! But i didn't see it as a muscle car like the Z was,ya know? The 70's restyle of the Camaros grill really reminds me of the Vega grill too! I also remember someone having a SS grill badge with a RS underneath it mirroring the SS,it was pretty funky for sure!
My mom had a metalic green '70 Camaro with a white interior, which she said my dad and her bought new off the showroom floor. She wasn't happy when my dad traded it in for a new Chevy four-wheel drive pick-up (which also happened to be metalic green) in 1974. I don't know if anything else about the Camaro and its options, just that my mom was very sad to see it go.
I could never claim to be as knowledgeable as steve and love his channel but hes wrong on this 73
Thanks for the comparison on the gen 2 Camaro. I really like that ‘71.
Excellent video!
Magnante operates in his house shoes...props.
Yes I love these cars. I remember my dad had some original rs ss badges
Love the history lesson! Gary
youve been misinformed about the rally sport ,the 73 has round turn lights ,my 73 RS split bumper endura nosed definately round lights its my favorite camaro of gen 2 the 73 rs and 1 other used rounds only
My aunt had the rally sport RS/SS I loved that car just like the orange one best looking one ever
I had a 1975 LT Camaro that I ordered new from the factory equipped as close to what a Z28 would have been if they hadn't dropped the Z28 option in 1975. 350 (145 HP net ) four speed, Posi traction, quick ratio power steering and handling package. I got the LT option because it came with the front & rear spoilers and upgraded interior. Also 1975 was the last year for the 150 MPH speedometer because starting in 1976 all cars sold in the US had government mandated 80 MPH ones.
I'm not sure about that year being mandated. The Pontiac Firebird/Trans am could still be had with 100 MPH speedometers in 77-79. I think 1980 was ironically when they only went to 80MPH
Another great video, I learn so much!
my brother had a 70 camaro that had the park lights below the bumper. I always preferred that look instead of the round park lights next to the headlights.
Excellent Sir!
In 1971 in Fort Dodge, IA there was a beautiful example of this generation of Camaro. Cruising there was called "Shagging the Drag." That car had beautiful custom paint. White base with orange or blue fish scales on the hood. I'm not sure if it was two different cars or the same car with changes to the paint job. It really caught my 8-9 year old imagination. We moved away at the end of '71, and I never saw the car again. I'd love to see pictures of it.
Digging the 2nd generation Supra in the background @ 5:05!
I just seen you on Barrett-Jackson auction ❤
Nice I too will take the one with the split bumper
I learned something new today, I always thought the 73 style was a regular Camaro that someone put RS bumpers on. Thanks for the correct info Steve!
It is.
They were
Steve’s wrong here
Wow, I had never heard any of this.
Thank you for showing some bowtie love, and especially my favorite gen camaro!
Hey Steve nice work again!, when might we see the show #57 podcast and beyond?
All RS cars had round parking lights beside the headlights. That burgundy car is a non RS car that somebody installed the better looking bumperetts on.
Steve, please don't take this as being critical or me being a know-it-all, but I think maybe you should look into this one a little further. The 1973 model you showed is actually a regular, non-RS Camaro that has had its full-width bumper replaced with RS bumperettes. This is a common customization technique on these cars, and sometimes the guy doing the job will just lop the ends off of the full-width bumper to leave the grille exposed. Also, the grille surround was actually a part of the bumper system. I don't think the car would have passed the new-for-1973 5 mph impact standards without bumper protection for the grille.
I thought this might help in your research: I got the first model car I ever built for Christmas, 1972. It was the MPC 1973 Camaro Z/28, based on a Rally Sport optioned body. It had the round turn signals between the headlights and the grille, the grille surround, and the small bumperettes. I know that model manufacturers have cut some corners occasionally, but I don't think GM would have signed off on something like that. Look through your huge model stash and see if you have one of those kits.
On the subject of models, when are you going to be making more model car videos? I really enjoy them. Your enthusiasm for the hobby shows, and I would think that those videos have brought some people back into the hobby. You didn't need to bring me back, 'cause I never left it!
Steve is the king of our knowledge
Another great video Steve, your knowledge of muscle cars is amazing. Thanks!
73 is just cleaner looking. Always been my favorite 😁
What a nice car indeed! Steve👽👍
My Grandpa owns a RS SS 69 Camaro its hugger orange and is in some very good condition. But after he past now my grandma owns it while it sits under a cover in the backyard with no garage. Kinda sad but im hoping i might get it one day.
All 70-thru 73 RS Camaro's are the same. GM did not make a split bumper with the signal lights under the bumper ever.
Split bumper is my preferred bumper of choice. Thanks for schooling me on Z28 and the Z22? Never heard of the Z22 although that code might have been used on Cavalier 2 drs for some option in around 2008 ish? (Maybe newer) I never heard the story of the strike and crushing of those bodies. I am a MPOPAR guy but would not have wanted that done back then to those cars.
I would like to see your take on the Pontiac and Oldsmobile versions of Chevrolet like the Ventura and the Omega
As a kid i had a 1973 z28 , i built up from a shell to street beast drag car big block, turbo 400..
I had a 78 with a straight 6. Handled awesome. It could definitely lose a V8 in the corners just due to better steering
Hey Steve, Really appreciate your incredible knowledge of Automobiles.
It's quickly becoming a lost Art.
And another thing, that Camaro on the right has a front end for the full perimeter bumper. Those bumperettes are for RS only.
1973 you could STILL get the split bumper Camaro with the extended grill and round turn signals. The red car is just a clone!
yep. I have a 73 with RS package and it of course has round turn signals. I love the full bumpers too. I hate the full bumper cars people put split bumpers on.
I found a ‘73 Camaro brochure and it TOUTS the RS package showing split bumpers, “extended” frame around the grill AND “round” turn signal lights. Maybe the strike caused this anomaly???
@@Barry_Davis The strike messed up the final production numbers but I do not know of any changes to the front with the exception of the added bumper/grille strength requirements that the government mandated. They were internal only. My 73 has those.
My favorite rides love em both man goosebumps!!
Sorry Steve. You need to print a retraction on this one.
Can always learn something from the Great M. I always thought the split bumper was a one year thing?
The way the header panels mount are different and the fenders are different between the 70/71 to the 72's
Hey Steve, how about some model builds when it's too cold or snowy?
IDK Steve, looks like the full bumper was swapped for the RS bumpers on that 73. That's very common.
Nice head lights.
I had a '73 trans am, And I had heard a story like this once before that that's one of the factors that limited the production numbers for the '73 trans am.
P.S. mine also had the unitized ignition.
I'm going to rephrase my previous comment. On a 70 RS Z28 how uncommon was it to order a automatic transmission without the console option? I have seen plenty of these cars that were automatics but all had a console I have seen four speeds without a console. So is a 70 RS Z28 ordered that way with the automatic on the column make it an oddball ? Do you know Steve? Thanks.
Steve, I haven't watched the video yet but people have already explained what I noticed in seconds. The car on the right is not an original split bumper. I've never liked that look, and it's the first thing I look for when I see split bumpers.
It appears you have helped me solve a mystery regarding my brothers medium blue with black stripes Z 28 fall factory gauges front and rear factory spoilers Z 28 wheels 350/365 horse with the added Hollie 650 double pumper. The car had a tall gear and we could run it to high school going about 145 mile an hour. We lived out in the country. The confusion all these years since I’m not really a Camaro nut is I knew it was a 73Z 28 but it had a split bumper so obviously I now know someone had put a 7172 clip on it before he bought it.
Not necessarily... Steve usually gets it right, but this time the research was not 100%. A 73 RS or RS/Z-28 in your case might have been real, it would still have the round upper signals, split bumper and nose.
Beautiful camaro comparo. I didn't know that about the 73 not having the round park lights. Mine was an L46 Z22. Most fun without being too dangerous. How about the charcoal Supra in the background?
Nobody knew that because Steve made it up! Is is all BS about the 73!
I'm wondering if those Norwood 1100 could not have been finished for export.
Love the 70 I had one & foolishly sold it
Get well Steve!
Had a '72 w/307 AT...loved it...body by Fisher...not so gr8
My brother still has his 70 full bumper big block ss
You should do the nova
Hate the way the RS bumpers look like on a regular Camaro.
And yeah, that's not a 73 RS.
I own a 73 Z28 standard and I prefer the full bumper also.
I prefer a cross-bred version. The turn signals of the 71 on the 73. Also prefer the less tall rear spoiler.
Camaro Comparo Crawl! 🤗 👀That orange one is quite the looker. 👀
I ordered a Z28 in 72, but never got it due to the stupid strike 😢
We R Pulling 4 U Steve !!!