Historian: So these two men died holding hands in the same bed Everyone: yes Historians: And we found letters from one to the other talking about how soft the other mans lips are Everyone: Yes Historians: Well then clearly they weren't just friends. Everyone: YES Historians: They must've been something much more Everyone: YES YES YES YES YES Historians: They were *BEST* friends: Everyone: FUC-
Well, it can be said that of at least some of Ancient Greece, that they saw it as it's not gay if you're on top. Similar to Old Norse, except for the Norse it was illegal to be a bottom, not illegal to be the top, mind you... just the bottom.
We really can’t say they were gay tho. They didn’t look at sex or sexuality the same way we do. In Athens way back then men of means had a wife, and they did have sex with her. But they viewed the sex as only being for the purpose of creating children. Sex for pleasure was usually something they did with younger men they were mentoring. And they still thought of anal sex as something shameful for the receptive partner. And who knows how all of this worked for poor people? Anyway my point is that you can’t attach the word “gay” to them because sexual orientation really is a modern concept that didn’t exist before the 19th century.
‘Where did all the ace/aro and all the rest who aren’t recognised come from they can’t possibly exist’ Me: no, we are just a new beta Minecraft idea that will soon infiltrate the world slowly until we become recognised
Yeah, screw that. As an AFAB person, everyone but one person in my family insists I'm just straight and "going through a phase" and the one person that did believe me keeps calling me lesbian and thinks I'm only into women. NO. I THINK WOMEN ARE ATTRACTIVE. I ALSO THINK MEN ARE ATTRACTIVE. I COULD SEE MYSELF DATING AND MARRYING EITHER. IT'S NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND. -nb people too but it's not like anyone in my family believes we exist- EDIT: by the way, to anyone who still thinks bi people are gay people in denial, I feel I should put it out there that I used to identify as lesbian and thought I was only into women. In reality, my attraction to women kicked in before my attraction to men, and I eventually came to terms with me being bi and not gay. I was in a lot of denial at first because I didn't want to admit I made a mistake on my sexuality, and also was worried as a few of my friends were bisexual also. Do you honestly, truly think I'm using my label as a "stepping stone" for something I already came out as with no issue years ago?
Thank you! I couldn't find any comment correcting him on his horrendous pronounciation, glad someone did (f.e I know he didn't know it's just awful to hear his name butchered, as a Pole who heard his name probably since birth)
@@ololo518 A lot of people struggle with his Kate Chopin's names, including me. However, I feel I have an excuse: when I was growing up there was someone in my class with the name, but their family had anglicized it to "choppin'" and they once actually corrected a substitute teacher who obviously knew about F. Chopin and assumed it was the same :D
@@cgg2621 There is a part of me that dies a little whenever I hear female with -ski ending name, like Mia Wasikowski, because I know, that was male surname but was left because English don't differentiate between genders of bearer. I know why it happens, I know it's not a big deal and stuff, but it's just... a lil' bit sad.
@Bren & Bren not really, he wasn't French, so we say the last "n". Although you could try to sound fancy and end on "ę" which would sound more like french version I guess. But that's not what I heard through my life. Oh, and one more thing. Since we decline almost every word, you could have forms like "Chopina" (in fact my friend lives on Chopina Street) and you have to put "n" there
Yeah same. I once read an analogy describing friendship and romance an two different lanes on a highway, asking your friend to be your romantic partner is equal switching from the friendship lane to the romantic lane, not ‘progressing’ further as a romantic relationship is ‘more’ or ‘better’ than a friendship.
My best friends are amazing and they are what’s keeping me sane (even though one of them introduced me to naruto and now I’m hooked on anime to the point where I don’t appear sane sometimes) but other than that I would be lost without them
YES as an acearo person it upsets me when people think romantic relationships are somehow more meaningful than platonic ones. i love my friends more than life itself and it kinda hurts to think that people see that as lesser because i don't want a romantic relationship
“Gay people were suddenly invented one day” Yeah, there’s a factory in the sky that makes gay people and sends them down from the clouds. That’s how rainbows in the sky are formed.
Yup, every time a rainbow is in the sky, 6 gays are born into the world. One for each color in the rainbow, but if you see it as a double rainbow, watch out. Those are the extremely gay people being born. Spoiler, I was one of them lol
i watched this with my girlfriend and all week when we are out in public and people ask us if we are a couple she says "according to historians we are probably just really good friends" and every time i cant stop laughing. lol
Okay look, yes ancient Greece was gay, like Apollo is right there. But Im Greek, we studied the Iliad in school, and it's just one of those things that like it really could've been "non romantic/non sexual / platonic " whatever you want to call it
@@eleftheriak.8889 Oh I completely agree, I'm against the idea that they're gay. I've written essays and been in debates about it. But when people are just like, "Oh, I studied it in 6th Grade" or "Oh, I read it once" and then go to say that their opinion is the only one that's right or that matters, it gets really annoying. I'm just making fun of how anyone could ever think that they're the end-all, know-all when it comes to this, especially with something so unquantifiable as the previously mentioned request. It just really pisses me off.
@@imaginaryfoe2178 no yeah I agree obviously. Not to mention that it's ancient greek. If we don't know the meanings of words from writings 200 years ago how we can pretend that we know exactly what they were talking about over 1000 years ago is beyond me
The erasure of gay relationships from history is infuriating. People hold claims of homosexuality in history to a burden of evidence no one requires for straight relationships. Nobody has a problem saying that man and a woman who never get married but who live together and write each other love letters were lovers. But when it comes to people being gay it's all "we'll never know", "it's all just speculation", "we shouldn't read anything into these words".
Well, to be fair, Bayesian reasoning requires a higher standard of proof for more improbable claims, and statistically gay people are less numerous in the general population than straight people. BUT That’s the general population, and not the appropriate prior to select for this situation. The appropriate population for comparison is “pairs of people who behave romantically toward one another” - in which platonic friends are much less common than homosexual couples.
Fun gay fact: Gay penguins are absolutely a thing. Pairings of male penguins will often adopt and raise abandoned eggs as their own (doing a super good job btw). Furthermore, iirc, female penguins will have an egg with a male and then leave the male to raise the chick with a female partner.
They did that at the zoo of Berlin. They have a gay penguin couple who "adopted" a rock and they took so good care of it the zoo workers gave them an actual egg to adopt. I heard the same happened at a zoo in Madrid, only it was a lesbian penguin couple.
@@moiaussi7722 Aw! I remember that from a children’s book I found at this little library I went to with my family. I tried to read it to my really little brother because I was so excited but he just wanted to go play so I sat there on the ground and “read” the whole picture book by myself whilst watching out that my mom didn’t see. Random anecdote, I know, but it’s late at night and I feel like it
You've heard of Sappho and her friend... Now I present to you... *Achilles and his cousin* Edit: in case people are confused, there was this movie called Troy which everyone and their mom apparently saw in which Achilles and Patroclus were portrayed as cousins and everyone just ran with that
Real story of erasure: as a baby gay, I tried to test the compatibility between me and some straight girl I fancied on an astrology site. I ticked my gender as female and then her gender as female (along with date of birth and other data) and pressed show results. The site automatically corrected my crush's gender to male, because it wasn't designed to take into account gay relationships. I was outraged. I tried multiple times, yet the site only accepted male and female.
That's rough, my friend, I'm sure you'll fall for a girl who really loves you(unless you're Aro and/or Ace, in which case I hope you have happy and healthy friendships, etc.)
@@pikachuwu5195 Thank you very much, you're really nice. (And also, really inclusive). I'm a lesbian (an allosexual one) and your comment made me smile.
historians like to claim chopin's letters "were not homoerotic in his native polish language". well i'm polish, i read the letters in their original form, and i can confirm they are gay as FUCK. you're welcome. EDIT: Thanks for the likes, ya'll! I actually translated some of my favourite lines from his letters for myself and my friends when I was reading them, so here they are for those of you who asked! These are all in letters addressed to other men! (mainly to Titus tho) - "I know you don't like to be kissed, but I wish you would let me kiss you right now" and "'right on your lips, will you let me?" - "And how sad it is to not have someone to go to in the mornings, share with him my sadness, joy; how wicked it is when something is so heavy, and I have nowhere to put it. You know what I'm alluding to." - "If you could write even just two words back to me, it will make me happy for weeks. And forgive me that I have sent you a waltz, which might make you angry with me, but know I wanted to please you with it, because I am madly in love with you." - "You're asking for my portrait - if only I could steal one from Queen Elise and send it to you! [...] And afterwards believe me, I am always beside you, I do not step away from you and so it will be unto death, I am your most devoted F. Ch." - "I don't want to write you anymore news, I just want to fondle you." - "My dearest life! I have never missed you like how I do now; I have no-one to pour my heart out to, I don't have you. One look from you after my concerts meant more to me than all the praises from the newspapers and aristocrats." - "How blissful it will be for me, to receive your letter and truly ensure that you love me, or at least look at the hand and writing of the only one whom I can love!" - "So write to me of when you will arrive in Warsaw, because I would be even more heart-broken than the first time, to play the main act without you. No, you don't know, don't know just how much I love you, so much I cannot possibly prove it to you - and I've been wanting for so long for you to know. Ah, if I could just hold your hand, what I would give, you couldn't guess... half of my wretched life." - "I beg of you - love me."
This is like Hamilton's letters to Laurens. *Historians are like:* nah they were just bros man *The letters:* dick jokes, inviting him to a threesome with his wife, asking laurens to draw him naked, saying "i love you" to each other, laurens calling hamilton "my dear boy" seems pretty gay to me...
Pansexuals: are invalidated, called biphobic and attention seekers, etc and are annoyed because of that The rest of the lgbt community: aww someone must have said they are attracted to pans again
Alexander Hamilton: "Cold in my professions, warm in my friendships, I wish, my Dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by action rather than words, to convince you that I love you." Historians: "He's definitely straight"
Lafayette also liked Hamilton. After he went back to France, he wrote a letter basically saying his love for Hamilton grew stronger as time went by. (at least I think so. that's how I remember it).
My teacher actually mentioned that one of the classical authors we were studying was gay! This is even more surprising when you realize I attended a Christian school. The teacher turned it into a small lecture abt how being gay is bad but we can still enjoy the poetry and all my friends (who aren’t rlly supportive) were like “o-o” and I was practically bouncing in my seat xD
My art teacher had no problem telling us that Leonardo da Vinci (who gave his name to my school) was gay... Though my school is quite "liberal" and "diverse", especially considering that I live in Italy. I know many teachers wouldn't mention an LGBT person's belonging to the community in class.
I had a teacher in grade 8 who spent a whole class talking about how gay people were going to hell. It was extremely uncomfortable. Luckily, the next year me and one of the other girls in the class started dating and rubbed it in her face a bit (bc we were the star students) it was fun.
“Gay people were just suddenly invented one day” Me, who wanted to be a scientist when I was 9: *“Now is my time....”* Sorry to be this person but honestly tysm for 1k likes I'm genuinely so happy wow y'all are amazing 💖 stay safe
This reminds me of a gag that I thought after I heard that one of the dudes in the new "beauty and the beast" remake was gay (despite the fact that he being gay had no impact on the story or the plot and no one knew until someone that worked on the movie said it) The gag would basically go like this Gaston: calls gay dude Gay dude: what is it sir Gaston: remember when you told me about your new idea... what was it called? Gd: homosexuality(slowly) Gaston: exactly, well when you told me about it I was baffled, shocked, I couldn't understand it for the life of me but than I took one of mine hourly looks at the mirror and realized that a man's body couldn't possibly be only adored by women, there is simply too much to love Gd: specially in your case sir The rest of the gag would be he explains sexualities to gaston and his reactions That probably wouldn't have worked in the movie and no one at Disney would let it exist for more than a second but I liked it
@@chronicallyunsupervised I don't wanna be a scientist anymore lMAO- I just remembered that I wanted to be a scientist when I was 9 and I thought that was funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*Alexander Hamilton:* literally wrote Lafayette saying “You know how truly I loved him" when referring to Laurens and his death. *John Laurens:* closes a letter with “You know the unalterable sentiments of your affectionate Laurens.” *Historians:* good bros! such close friends.
I remember someone saying something like: *"Why is it that when two men stand too close together, someone yells 'GAAYYY' but it takes a 14 point presentation, 3 long essays and a speech to convince someone that two women are dating?"*
I think I saw a TedTalk about something like this, apparently society as a whole is obsessed with the penis, everyone presumably loves the penis, so if a guy is bi then people think he's secretly gay and if a girl is bi then she's secretly straight.
They yell "gay" in a bad way. Because it's kind of 'bad' or at least not normal when two men show tenderness to each other. In society it's almost forbidden, when for women such behavior is considered as normal. I see more homophobia towards men here.
“Sunshine of my life for 52 years.” I mean I’ve been friends with my best friend for a long time but I never introduce her as “my greatest partner of 12 years” LMAOO
Suffix refers to Jr., Sr., III, IV, etc. I think you're thinking of prefix or title, which would be Dr., Ms., Mr., etc. Traditionally, women aren't named after their parents (which probably has sexist roots anyway) but that's why they don't have suffixes.
Achilles talking about how the thousands of days he worshipped patrocluses thighs Zeus having to personally step in so the Trojan war wouldn't end quickly because Achilles was so furious about patrocluses death Thousands of letters and historical instances saying Achilles and patroclus was together Historians: just two dudes. Two friends. Loving each other's thighs. Being bros. Dudes. Yep.
Apollo, telling Achilles his grief went far beyond that of a normal love Achilles literally asking for their ashes to be mixed so they could be together forever in death (sidenote while I'm here, Apollo turning his bf into a flower after the West Wind killed him a jealous rage *RIP Patroclus and Hyacinthus*) my Patrochilles heart is so angry
I was just thinking about Achilles as I was watching this, another thing worth mentioning is the male equivalent of "Sapphic" is literally "Achillean".
Oh man, I read a quora answer once responding about whether Achilles and Patroclus were lovers in the Iliad, and they replied no, the Iliad is “homoerotic, not homosexual”. I wanted to flip my bloody table! Like SERIOUSLY? Is it so fucking hard to say that your hero was gay and was in a romantic and loving relationship with another man, that you deny it as just “homoerotic”????? Just just ARGHHHHHGH taking the “best friend” to another level for fucks sake
Sappho being married to "Dick Allcocks from Man Island" actually was a joke created by ancient comedians! She herself never wrote about her husband at all, though she did most likely have one since she wrote about having a daughter.
There should be equivalent of being "stuck in the closet" for heterosexual people who are not aware that gays exist. Like they are stuck in the fridge. Stuck in the closet = most people are not aware that you are gay Stuck in the fridge = you are not aware that some people are gay
Bumps up against the term "fridging"-- check TV Tropes-- but a good idea in theory. How about "stuck in the hallway" instead? As in, they're not even in the room to know what's going on. ;-)
I didn’t really know being gay or lgbt was a thing till I was in middle school cuz nobody really told me and of course I didn’t see it much in like movies or shows Ten years later and I’m real gay so I was stuck in both the closet and fridge, stuck in the mini fridge in the closet one would say
I once saw a comment on a movie about two woman falling in love and someone commented “it’s so strange that they didn’t put there boyfriends in the trailer. I thought this was a romance.”
My school has a neutral bathroom, but because of Covid people can only use 1 stall and it sucks for my friend because they have to run across the school and
Not my teacher calling my girlfriend my "friend or,, partner or whatever you said" like?? I was giving a presentation about my future plans and dreams and she was in the love and family section? I called her my partner the whole time and talked about our plans to have kids in the future?? HOW MUCH CLEARER DO I HAVE TO BE???
A make-out between mates. A peck between pals. A french between friends. A canoodle between comrades. A buss between buddies. (feel free to add more gay erasure alliteration :)
If I was in history: She was very close to her best friend Isabella and Isabella's sister, they all lives together. She dressed masculine and was even said to turn down every man she saw. She was even seen kissing Isabella, therefore, she was very close friends with her. Spoiler: We're lesbians and Bella's sister is bi
I find it sad, that my great Aunt never felt comfortable coming out even within the family. Even when she ran into my Mom in SF holding hands with another woman. My Mom didn't care, she was just so excited to see her Aunt. The Aunt acted as if she didn't know my mom, so my mom never brought it up again. The thing was the whole family knew she was gay and nobody cared they just loved her the way she was. But born in the early 1900's I am sure coming out to even family was even scary. Just so sad that she took that to the grave when everyone already knew about it.
Just wanted to thank you for educating us and speaking about discrimination in general. I'm a straight, cis, white man, so I have the privilege of not being in any group who is discriminated, but I think it's important for me to learn as much as possible to not hurt my fellow humans. I also have small kids and I try my best to have them grow up accepting all people and helping them accept themselves, whatever preferences they might get when they grow up. Channels like yours help me in that since I don't have any personal experience.
This means a lot to the community, thank you. So many cishet men don’t recognize their privilege and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard them tell us to get over the homophobia. I had to drop a friend because he excused homophobia and said we should get over it. Thank you for educating yourself and wanting to understand us.
Historians be like "Beatrice and Gladys would hang out all day. Then, they would go back to their one bedroom home and make sweet love. They were great friends."
Jamie saying "Lesbians exist, M I K E" in such a stern voice made me laugh so hard lmao. "Bisexual women exist, M I K E", "Non-straight women exist, M I K E". Me, a bisexual, non-straight woman: the king has spoken
Historians: two male skeletons were found holding eachother Us: yes Historians: they both died in eachothers embrace Us: yes Historians: And it seems their skulls were touching, so possibly a kiss Us: YES!! Historians: they were very close *friends* Us: NO!!
@Zara Gupta do you like, get off from imagining them as lesbians? y'know these are real ppl right. you could just be a normal person instead of projecting ur fetish onto his videos. maybe watch a movie or like, read a non-picture book and u'll calm down.
7:59, yes it's true (though not a literal translation), "Kerkylas" is derived from "kerkos", which means "penis", and "andros" means "man" and is also a name of a Greek island.
Parents when a cartoon has sexual harrassment but its between a girl and guy : Awwww so cute Parents when 2 girls in a cartoon like eachother and its wholesome and cute : Disgustangggggg
history: they were two women, who lived together their entire lives, and never married a man, and were often seen in a loving embrace and were occasionally seen kis- historians: BEST FRIENDS
Once I was dating a girl (I'm a bi girl) and once we were hanging out at her house and her little brother asked me "Did you know {my girlfriend's name} has a boyfriend? His name is {My name}" It took me 20 minutes to stop laughing
Me: majoring in history, writing my first serious paper in the uni My prof: why is there so little homosexuality in your paper? There should be more! Me: but there is so little homosexuality in my sources... Prof: ADD THE HOMOSEXUAL SOURCES
As a student of history, I feel kind of called out. I guess that's a sign to be cognizant of my own biases and avoid erasure when I become a historian.
All of my best high school science teachers, and I had many of them, were men. They and their passion for what they were teaching are the reason that I am going in to the medical field. The only thing that a teacher needs is the ability to work with children and a passion for what they are teaching, neither of which are defined by gender. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never shared any passion of their own.
Agreed. My primary school teacher for years 4-6 was male and he was kinder and better at his job than all of the female teachers I had combined. My current drama teacher is male and he is, again, kinder and better at his job than the female drama teacher I had in years 7-8.
"I wish, my dear Laurens, it were in my power, by actions, rather than words, to convince you that I love you" "you should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent" historians reading the letters between Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens: ha wow they were such great, hetero bros. Hete-bros, if you will.
OMG, one of my favorite YT creator bringing up one of my fav web comics. Foxes in love is so cute. And yes, I instantly read that particular comic as them being gay (especially the "called it") but I saw the people trying to make it straight and it's always adorable and disheartening at the same time.
"She just says she's gay to keep men away/a low profile" - buddy, I don't know to tell you this, but every woman knows the "If I say I'm gay he'll leave me alone" trick, and every woman who's tried it can tell you that it DOESN'T WORK. Also, SHE'S MARRIED TO A WOMAN
Yeah. A lot of the time they say "I cAn ChAnGe YoU!" or "YoU jUsT hAvEn'T bEeN wItH a REAL mAn!" or worse, "CaN I wAtCh/JoIn YoU?" These people cannot fathom why any woman wouldn't want to date them unless she's already dating another man. Even then, sometimes they don't stop.
My sister once told me that when she went to a club with a friend, she was told that they should "pretend to be coming on to each other" and then guys would flock to them, eager to show them the straight. That was in the 1990s.
It's frustrating that even on subreddits like that there is misinformation and well... erasure. Chopin was not gay, nor was he straight, he was bi. When he was younger he wrote love letters to a guy (if I remember correctly he also wrote him a song), and later in life, he was in a loving relationship with a woman. So yeah, he was bi.
two people from history: literally kissing, living together, and writing poetry about how much they love each other historians: no gay stuff here boys, just homiesexual
I don't cry easily(even when I want to) but "my darling and sunshine of my life for 52 years" has got me /sobbinggggg/ Edit: I keep tearing up again everytime i think about it- they were together for 52 YEARS, they must have been so in LOVE, I am SOFT
"What is so funny about two women falling in love?" It's not the absurdity, because it's totally normal and okay, unlike the person who commented seems to think. Have a look into r/actuallesbians, and there are tons of stories of lesbians, just, not getting when a relationship has started. There is a goldmine of rom/com fuel there. It's an unfortunate part of lesbian erasure. I would love to see a rom/com featuring a lesbian couple though, that would be great.
I saw this comment on another video but i cant stop thinking about it. Picture this: a story where the Joanns employee and the person who comes there everyday to get cloth for projects fall in love and every day she asks about what project the cloth is for and she explains passionately about every project. And they were ~GAY~. :D
Oh my gosh... and they were historical roommates?
Just dudes bro-ing and gals pal-ing, nothing to see here
dang
It's just Bros helping Bros
-Blaine Anderson
Omg, they were historical roommates! :0
@@grimsongreen3217 I guess they were friends with benefits but still not gay
Woman in history: damn i love women i wanna kiss women and love them
Historians: like, in a friendship way?
and thus, r/SapphoAndHerFriend was born to showcase how dumb those historians are
Me: NoOoOoOo MiIiIiKkEe!!!! *face palm*
Girls : literally have x
Historians: nope nope nope- just gal pals
Sappho: and that woman and I had s*x
Historians: and they were roomates....
@@nishkiboo4506 Me hearing this from a historian knowing it isnt correct: oMg tHeY wErE rOoMmAtEs
Everyone knows that gay people were created when Lady Gaga released “Born This Way” and the gays popped out of the ground like dandelions.
That moment when you realize the song came out before you did
No wonder I loved that song so much and sang it all the time when I was like 9 lol
Can confirm, I popped right out at the beat drop
@@moiaussi7722 sooo youre 9?
@@user-xs1pp9oi5z 14 actually, I meant come out as in come out of the closet
"Lesbians exist, Mike, bisexual women exist, Mike, non-straight women exist, Mike" has "Harold, they're lesbians" and "they're gay, Susan" energy
YES
Lmao yesss
Im not jealous Flavio, I’m gay
Jeah forget about it someone already commented it xD
(also bisexual men)
The straights would be so pissed if I called Romeo and Juliet best friends.
PLEASE can we make that a thing, along with saying that any young straight couple (irl or in media) are too young to know their sexuality?
@@bugbear2357 i mean juliet was like 13 and commited auicide because od an older guy who stalked her
I too go to my friends balconies and shout nonsense at them
@@thelolitasystem6403 she was 13?? How old was Romeo?- Now that's creepy if he's like 20-
@@somerandomgaykid1959 i think he was 16 or something-
Historian: So these two men died holding hands in the same bed
Everyone: yes
Historians: And we found letters from one to the other talking about how soft the other mans lips are
Everyone: Yes
Historians: Well then clearly they weren't just friends.
Everyone: YES
Historians: They must've been something much more
Everyone: YES YES YES YES YES
Historians: They were *BEST* friends:
Everyone: FUC-
Haha so funny and so true
Soooooo truuuueee.
Historians: Clearly they weren’t just friends-
Everyone: 😱 YES
Historians: They were roommates!
Everyone: aNd ThEy WeRe RoOmMaTeS
@@kaded_cat Lmao
Patroclus and Achilles really were done dirty
@Éloïse Delvat (Sorry if I typed your name wrong) Deadass tho. Like...they were gay. They were so, so gay. But no.
Cishets: *gays did not used to exist*
The Ancient Greeks: *am I a joke to you*
Really though. So many ancient Greeks were just about anything other than straight
Werent women at some point encouraged to present more masculine so men would get used to being straight
Well, it can be said that of at least some of Ancient Greece, that they saw it as it's not gay if you're on top.
Similar to Old Norse, except for the Norse it was illegal to be a bottom, not illegal to be the top, mind you... just the bottom.
P e r c y J a c k s o n S e r i e s.
We really can’t say they were gay tho. They didn’t look at sex or sexuality the same way we do. In Athens way back then men of means had a wife, and they did have sex with her. But they viewed the sex as only being for the purpose of creating children. Sex for pleasure was usually something they did with younger men they were mentoring. And they still thought of anal sex as something shameful for the receptive partner. And who knows how all of this worked for poor people? Anyway my point is that you can’t attach the word “gay” to them because sexual orientation really is a modern concept that didn’t exist before the 19th century.
As a non binary person who isn't acknowledged by the government, am I above the law?
of course!!!
Above the law and under me bby!
Yep
@@jessicadelgado8473 I wanted to say something witty in response but honestly that's just a really sweet reply
As you should be
“Where did all the gays come from?”
Me: *we became a new mob in Minecraft and someone spammed our spawn egg*
‘Where did all the ace/aro and all the rest who aren’t recognised come from they can’t possibly exist’
Me: no, we are just a new beta Minecraft idea that will soon infiltrate the world slowly until we become recognised
can someone please make a MC mod where theres literally a gay spawn egg and its just like a random animal that spawns but the animal is rainbow-
@@theentirecastof_eeef Jeb_
@@tenaciousjoda8605 I FORGOT ABOUT THAT-
Minecraft cows are lesbian. You can milk any cow but also breed any cow
The whole "if you're bi, you're halfway out of the closet" thing is SO FUCKING FRUSTRATING. Ugh! I hate it so much...
Same its so stupid
It doesn’t even make sense
it's just like *NO*
Agreed it is so stupid and frustrating
Yeah, screw that. As an AFAB person, everyone but one person in my family insists I'm just straight and "going through a phase" and the one person that did believe me keeps calling me lesbian and thinks I'm only into women.
NO.
I THINK WOMEN ARE ATTRACTIVE.
I ALSO THINK MEN ARE ATTRACTIVE.
I COULD SEE MYSELF DATING AND MARRYING EITHER.
IT'S NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
-nb people too but it's not like anyone in my family believes we exist-
EDIT: by the way, to anyone who still thinks bi people are gay people in denial, I feel I should put it out there that I used to identify as lesbian and thought I was only into women. In reality, my attraction to women kicked in before my attraction to men, and I eventually came to terms with me being bi and not gay. I was in a lot of denial at first because I didn't want to admit I made a mistake on my sexuality, and also was worried as a few of my friends were bisexual also. Do you honestly, truly think I'm using my label as a "stepping stone" for something I already came out as with no issue years ago?
F. Chopin(pronounced "Sho-pan), to his male "friend": "If you were right next to me, I'd kiss you"
Historians: No homo, though, right?
Thank you! I couldn't find any comment correcting him on his horrendous pronounciation, glad someone did
(f.e I know he didn't know it's just awful to hear his name butchered, as a Pole who heard his name probably since birth)
@@ololo518 I thought it was cute that he had a crisis over which one of the three incorrect pronunciations was the correct one :D
@@ololo518 A lot of people struggle with his Kate Chopin's names, including me. However, I feel I have an excuse: when I was growing up there was someone in my class with the name, but their family had anglicized it to "choppin'" and they once actually corrected a substitute teacher who obviously knew about F. Chopin and assumed it was the same :D
@@cgg2621 There is a part of me that dies a little whenever I hear female with -ski ending name, like Mia Wasikowski, because I know, that was male surname but was left because English don't differentiate between genders of bearer. I know why it happens, I know it's not a big deal and stuff, but it's just... a lil' bit sad.
@Bren & Bren not really, he wasn't French, so we say the last "n". Although you could try to sound fancy and end on "ę" which would sound more like french version I guess. But that's not what I heard through my life.
Oh, and one more thing. Since we decline almost every word, you could have forms like "Chopina" (in fact my friend lives on Chopina Street) and you have to put "n" there
I don’t like the phrase “just friends”. That implies that friendship is a disappointment and my best friend is NOT a disappointment!
Yaaaay friends are amazing !
Yeah same. I once read an analogy describing friendship and romance an two different lanes on a highway, asking your friend to be your romantic partner is equal switching from the friendship lane to the romantic lane, not ‘progressing’ further as a romantic relationship is ‘more’ or ‘better’ than a friendship.
My best friends are amazing and they are what’s keeping me sane (even though one of them introduced me to naruto and now I’m hooked on anime to the point where I don’t appear sane sometimes) but other than that I would be lost without them
@@brightbird4195 that is an amazing analogy, i like that a lot
YES
as an acearo person it upsets me when people think romantic relationships are somehow more meaningful than platonic ones. i love my friends more than life itself and it kinda hurts to think that people see that as lesser because i don't want a romantic relationship
“Gay people were suddenly invented one day”
Yeah, there’s a factory in the sky that makes gay people and sends them down from the clouds. That’s how rainbows in the sky are formed.
Yup, every time a rainbow is in the sky, 6 gays are born into the world. One for each color in the rainbow, but if you see it as a double rainbow, watch out. Those are the extremely gay people being born. Spoiler, I was one of them lol
Well it might have started with one baby droped by a Bird to a rainbow factory. Maybe..?
Wouldn’t you like to know, weather boi?
Of course that is common knowledge
They took the machine that made cishets and improved it
Jamie: "Lesbians exist, Mike."
Me, a gay trans man named Mike whose best friend since childhood is a lesbian: "I am aware"
😂
You need a bi friend, so you can be L, G, B and T together. (Please forgive my stupid attempt to make a joke)
It really is incredible how us gays find eachother young
@@questionablepersonwithques7338 no no no you’re on to something
Lesbians exist, other Mike!
i watched this with my girlfriend and all week when we are out in public and people ask us if we are a couple she says "according to historians we are probably just really good friends" and every time i cant stop laughing. lol
“Gay people don’t exist”
Ah, that’s why I’ve been clipping through things...
Assigned Speedrunner at Birth
my physical form has been replaced with a giant, flashing ERROR
@@indridcold9593 yes me too now i know why...
This explains so much.
@@i.dont..exist_ *enbyphobe or transphobe
Sappho was literally from an island called lesbos that’s where we get the word lesbian from, could it be more obvious
*Lesbian/Gay Suffering*
and her name itself is where the word Sapphic comes from
Could be called the gay island of Lesbianica maybe?
XD
@@mywither7878 the island was called Lesbos... tho
@@ussinussinongawd516 i know that, I'm just joking. How do does it have to go for people to realize things?
Achilles: When I die bury me with Patroclus so we can be together forever.
Historians: F is for friends who do stuff together
Okay look, yes ancient Greece was gay, like Apollo is right there. But Im Greek, we studied the Iliad in school, and it's just one of those things that like it really could've been "non romantic/non sexual / platonic " whatever you want to call it
@@eleftheriak.8889 Oh I completely agree, I'm against the idea that they're gay. I've written essays and been in debates about it. But when people are just like, "Oh, I studied it in 6th Grade" or "Oh, I read it once" and then go to say that their opinion is the only one that's right or that matters, it gets really annoying. I'm just making fun of how anyone could ever think that they're the end-all, know-all when it comes to this, especially with something so unquantifiable as the previously mentioned request. It just really pisses me off.
@@imaginaryfoe2178 no yeah I agree obviously. Not to mention that it's ancient greek. If we don't know the meanings of words from writings 200 years ago how we can pretend that we know exactly what they were talking about over 1000 years ago is beyond me
Also no ‘historian’ is commenting on the sexuality of characters in literature. It’s a totally different topic.
(In the song of achilles its canon though obviously, its not even debatable)
When you don't even have to buy school supplies because the erasure is so strong 😌
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don’t even need to get a binder 😌
😂 that's good! Also I wish I could help with the school supplies
I WHEEZED
@@TheChaoticAsexual THAT'S TOO GOOD
The erasure of gay relationships from history is infuriating. People hold claims of homosexuality in history to a burden of evidence no one requires for straight relationships. Nobody has a problem saying that man and a woman who never get married but who live together and write each other love letters were lovers. But when it comes to people being gay it's all "we'll never know", "it's all just speculation", "we shouldn't read anything into these words".
Well, to be fair, Bayesian reasoning requires a higher standard of proof for more improbable claims, and statistically gay people are less numerous in the general population than straight people.
BUT
That’s the general population, and not the appropriate prior to select for this situation. The appropriate population for comparison is “pairs of people who behave romantically toward one another” - in which platonic friends are much less common than homosexual couples.
“Nobody knows when gays were invented!”
Me: *side eyes Ancient Greece*
Ancient Greece: *side eyes back*
Then you kiss
Squid Satan
Perfect
Didja know Greek philosophers used to have sex because they believe it made them temporarily smarter
APOLLO IS A GREAT BEAUTIFUL BISEXUL GOD AND SO IS THE WEST WIND SPIRIT COME ON THEY FOUGHT OVER HYACINTHUS
BTW Some horrible person made a "kid" version of that myth where Hyacinthus was female
Sappho: And they were girlfriends
Historians: Oh my god they were roommates
Well they could be two things
Bahaha
Fun gay fact: Gay penguins are absolutely a thing. Pairings of male penguins will often adopt and raise abandoned eggs as their own (doing a super good job btw). Furthermore, iirc, female penguins will have an egg with a male and then leave the male to raise the chick with a female partner.
They did that at the zoo of Berlin. They have a gay penguin couple who "adopted" a rock and they took so good care of it the zoo workers gave them an actual egg to adopt. I heard the same happened at a zoo in Madrid, only it was a lesbian penguin couple.
@@moiaussi7722 Aw! I remember that from a children’s book I found at this little library I went to with my family. I tried to read it to my really little brother because I was so excited but he just wanted to go play so I sat there on the ground and “read” the whole picture book by myself whilst watching out that my mom didn’t see. Random anecdote, I know, but it’s late at night and I feel like it
My friend has a gay horse so that’s something
Also, another gay penguin fun fact, it happened recently. Still at the zoo of Berlin, a gay penguin couple stole a lesbian couple's foster egg
Hello!!! Penguin here!!! I’m not gay but gay penguins are amazing and super important!!! :)
The 4 pages of Anne Frank's diary kept out of school history books: 😔✌
Me having read the original in German knowing at some point she writes about wanting to touch her bff's boobs: 😎
She glued them shut because she didn’t want anyone reading them.
@@moiaussi7722 I LITERALLY WROTE THAT IN A PIECE OF PAPER AND HANDED IT OUT IN CLASS ONCE
@@rebbecawitt581 Madperson
@@moiaussi7722 ikr, I didn't even know I was a lesbian at the time, I'd even a woman. The class was all boys, including the teachers.
You've heard of Sappho and her friend...
Now I present to you...
*Achilles and his cousin*
Edit: in case people are confused, there was this movie called Troy which everyone and their mom apparently saw in which Achilles and Patroclus were portrayed as cousins and everyone just ran with that
Hol up-
Wait no-
Achilles and his comrade
@@hoeplessatlantis1198 Much better, thank you
We proudly ship Achilles and Patrocalous
Real story of erasure: as a baby gay, I tried to test the compatibility between me and some straight girl I fancied on an astrology site. I ticked my gender as female and then her gender as female (along with date of birth and other data) and pressed show results. The site automatically corrected my crush's gender to male, because it wasn't designed to take into account gay relationships. I was outraged. I tried multiple times, yet the site only accepted male and female.
That's rough, my friend, I'm sure you'll fall for a girl who really loves you(unless you're Aro and/or Ace, in which case I hope you have happy and healthy friendships, etc.)
@@pikachuwu5195 Thank you very much, you're really nice. (And also, really inclusive). I'm a lesbian (an allosexual one) and your comment made me smile.
@@purplekitten6637 I'm glad! :)
@@pikachuwu5195 I hope you have a really nice day!:)))
@@purplekitten6637 You too!
Historians: What was Sappho’s sexuality?
Sappho’s poetry: Am I a joke to you?
When I read about her on Wikipedia, it literally implied that Sappho being a lesbian is just speculation and has no solid evidence. T_T
The word “lesbian” and “sapphic” were literally made in Sappho’s honour...how can people think she’s straight...
@@strawberry_sapphic5007 well she might be bisexual? lol WIKIPEDIA BOYCOTT.
historians like to claim chopin's letters "were not homoerotic in his native polish language". well i'm polish, i read the letters in their original form, and i can confirm they are gay as FUCK. you're welcome.
EDIT: Thanks for the likes, ya'll! I actually translated some of my favourite lines from his letters for myself and my friends when I was reading them, so here they are for those of you who asked! These are all in letters addressed to other men! (mainly to Titus tho)
- "I know you don't like to be kissed, but I wish you would let me kiss you right now" and "'right on your lips, will you let me?"
- "And how sad it is to not have someone to go to in the mornings, share with him my sadness, joy; how wicked it is when something is so heavy, and I have nowhere to put it. You know what I'm alluding to."
- "If you could write even just two words back to me, it will make me happy for weeks. And forgive me that I have sent you a waltz, which might make you angry with me, but know I wanted to please you with it, because I am madly in love with you."
- "You're asking for my portrait - if only I could steal one from Queen Elise and send it to you! [...] And afterwards believe me, I am always beside you, I do not step away from you and so it will be unto death, I am your most devoted F. Ch."
- "I don't want to write you anymore news, I just want to fondle you."
- "My dearest life! I have never missed you like how I do now; I have no-one to pour my heart out to, I don't have you. One look from you after my concerts meant more to me than all the praises from the newspapers and aristocrats."
- "How blissful it will be for me, to receive your letter and truly ensure that you love me, or at least look at the hand and writing of the only one whom I can love!"
- "So write to me of when you will arrive in Warsaw, because I would be even more heart-broken than the first time, to play the main act without you. No, you don't know, don't know just how much I love you, so much I cannot possibly prove it to you - and I've been wanting for so long for you to know. Ah, if I could just hold your hand, what I would give, you couldn't guess... half of my wretched life."
- "I beg of you - love me."
👏👏👏 fuck yeah
as a pole, I can confirm that as well. very gay indeed
Thank you for this information, I will make sure to spread the word lol
What does it say though?
This is like Hamilton's letters to Laurens.
*Historians are like:* nah they were just bros man
*The letters:* dick jokes, inviting him to a threesome with his wife, asking laurens to draw him naked, saying "i love you" to each other, laurens calling hamilton "my dear boy"
seems pretty gay to me...
Person: I am non-binary
Media: Are they non-binary?
Person: Yes, that's what I said. I'm non-binary
Media: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
That‘s not true! Media would never use the correct pronouns. They would use he or she.
Media: But are they really non-binary? We asked a man....
The Media: so as we can see, SHE is going through a phase.
correction:
Media: is she non-binary?
@@ritikadhakerr true, that’s what they would say. the commenter was probably just trying to be respectful, unlike the media.
Me, a non-binary pansexual: *aight so I guess I don’t exist anymore*
Pansexuals: are invalidated, called biphobic and attention seekers, etc and are annoyed because of that
The rest of the lgbt community: aww someone must have said they are attracted to pans again
Hehe, I'm on a discord server with u
Same I'm nb and pan
I'm Genderqueer and Pansexual
Amazing
“They did not used to exist”
15th president of the US: 👀
Sappho: 👀
Yes, I remember my friend telling me about this. Wasn't he supposably in a relationship with the governor of Alabama at the time or something?
*wait he* *_what_*
@Jenna De Killer Buchanan, who lived with William Rufus King, his "very close friend," and never married.
16th President used to share a bed with a man.
“Bi people don’t exist.”
Me: mr stark, I don’t feel so good...
Heh
Biderman
**fades out of existence**
Masako Adachi has entered the chat
Alexander Hamilton: "Cold in my professions, warm in my friendships, I wish, my Dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by action rather than words, to convince you that I love you."
Historians: "He's definitely straight"
YES
I was looking for someone to say this! Yesss!! They were TOTALLY "s t r a i g h t best friends".
I thought it was a movie quote and I started singing it in front of my family
i was looking for a comment like this-
Lafayette also liked Hamilton. After he went back to France, he wrote a letter basically saying his love for Hamilton grew stronger as time went by. (at least I think so. that's how I remember it).
My teacher actually mentioned that one of the classical authors we were studying was gay! This is even more surprising when you realize I attended a Christian school. The teacher turned it into a small lecture abt how being gay is bad but we can still enjoy the poetry and all my friends (who aren’t rlly supportive) were like “o-o” and I was practically bouncing in my seat xD
I hope you find more supportive friends soon 💛
My art teacher had no problem telling us that Leonardo da Vinci (who gave his name to my school) was gay... Though my school is quite "liberal" and "diverse", especially considering that I live in Italy. I know many teachers wouldn't mention an LGBT person's belonging to the community in class.
I had a teacher in grade 8 who spent a whole class talking about how gay people were going to hell. It was extremely uncomfortable. Luckily, the next year me and one of the other girls in the class started dating and rubbed it in her face a bit (bc we were the star students) it was fun.
Was the poet Catullus?
@@clownfromclowntown No it was one I can’t remember the name of...If I saw his name I’d know it though!
Broke: Bisexuals are halfway out of the closet
Woke: Bisexuals come out of a cabinet
I am pan and I came out of the pantry
We Aces come out of the deck 😉
@@laurainathunderstorm so good
sadly us trans people come out of the transhcan. i’m oscar the grouch. hi.
We polysexuals come out from under the bed.
"Cuz' in history, gayness did not existory." - Jammidodger 2020
Straight people: *forgets gay people exist*
Me, a bisexual: *forgets straight people exist*
Me-
I genuinely forget all the time that not everyone finds everyone attractive and I still can’t wrap my head my head around it.
Oh my god this
Oh my gosh i do that all the time, it's actually becoming a problem lmao 😂🤚
Me- an asexual: forgets attraction exists all together.
“Gay people were just suddenly invented one day”
Me, who wanted to be a scientist when I was 9: *“Now is my time....”*
Sorry to be this person but honestly tysm for 1k likes I'm genuinely so happy wow y'all are amazing 💖 stay safe
I hope my belief in you will help you on this journey
This reminds me of a gag that I thought after I heard that one of the dudes in the new "beauty and the beast" remake was gay (despite the fact that he being gay had no impact on the story or the plot and no one knew until someone that worked on the movie said it)
The gag would basically go like this
Gaston: calls gay dude
Gay dude: what is it sir
Gaston: remember when you told me about your new idea... what was it called?
Gd: homosexuality(slowly)
Gaston: exactly, well when you told me about it I was baffled, shocked, I couldn't understand it for the life of me but than I took one of mine hourly looks at the mirror and realized that a man's body couldn't possibly be only adored by women, there is simply too much to love
Gd: specially in your case sir
The rest of the gag would be he explains sexualities to gaston and his reactions
That probably wouldn't have worked in the movie and no one at Disney would let it exist for more than a second but I liked it
@@chronicallyunsupervised I don't wanna be a scientist anymore lMAO- I just remembered that I wanted to be a scientist when I was 9 and I thought that was funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well i hope my belief in you helps you in life
@@wheeze8762 I would have funded your research
*Alexander Hamilton:* literally wrote Lafayette saying “You know how truly I loved him" when referring to Laurens and his death.
*John Laurens:* closes a letter with “You know the unalterable sentiments of your affectionate Laurens.”
*Historians:* good bros! such close friends.
I remember someone saying something like:
*"Why is it that when two men stand too close together, someone yells 'GAAYYY' but it takes a 14 point presentation, 3 long essays and a speech to convince someone that two women are dating?"*
I think I saw a TedTalk about something like this, apparently society as a whole is obsessed with the penis, everyone presumably loves the penis, so if a guy is bi then people think he's secretly gay and if a girl is bi then she's secretly straight.
Am I the only one who thinks of the instances where the person who needs convincing is one of the women?
They yell "gay" in a bad way. Because it's kind of 'bad' or at least not normal when two men show tenderness to each other. In society it's almost forbidden, when for women such behavior is considered as normal. I see more homophobia towards men here.
Just came out to my parents. I haven't started transitioning yet, but the hardest part is finally finished. ❤️
Congrats!!! 💜💜💜 best of luck
Congratulations on coming out Its so hard to do and Im happy for you ❤️ Good luck on your transition
Proud of you! that's awesome!
Congratulations! I'm so happy for you!
congratulations! i hope it went well for you. best of luck with your transition! ❤️
“Sunshine of my life for 52 years.” I mean I’ve been friends with my best friend for a long time but I never introduce her as “my greatest partner of 12 years” LMAOO
The marriage certificate one is even worse in that only the groom has the option for a sufix?? As if the bride can't be a doctor or something...
sexism? in my gay erasure?
it's more likely than you think
Suffix refers to Jr., Sr., III, IV, etc. I think you're thinking of prefix or title, which would be Dr., Ms., Mr., etc. Traditionally, women aren't named after their parents (which probably has sexist roots anyway) but that's why they don't have suffixes.
@@zoesnortum-phelps1438 I had so many friends in elementary named after their moms and they were all traditional mennonites. Like 5000 Susanna Jrs.
Achilles talking about how the thousands of days he worshipped patrocluses thighs
Zeus having to personally step in so the Trojan war wouldn't end quickly because Achilles was so furious about patrocluses death
Thousands of letters and historical instances saying Achilles and patroclus was together
Historians: just two dudes. Two friends. Loving each other's thighs. Being bros. Dudes. Yep.
Apollo, telling Achilles his grief went far beyond that of a normal love
Achilles literally asking for their ashes to be mixed so they could be together forever in death
(sidenote while I'm here, Apollo turning his bf into a flower after the West Wind killed him a jealous rage *RIP Patroclus and Hyacinthus*)
my Patrochilles heart is so angry
I was just thinking about Achilles as I was watching this, another thing worth mentioning is the male equivalent of "Sapphic" is literally "Achillean".
@@Wuffskers RIGHT
@@Wuffskers I have always wonder about that, thank you for this blessed information.
Oh man, I read a quora answer once responding about whether Achilles and Patroclus were lovers in the Iliad, and they replied no, the Iliad is “homoerotic, not homosexual”. I wanted to flip my bloody table! Like SERIOUSLY? Is it so fucking hard to say that your hero was gay and was in a romantic and loving relationship with another man, that you deny it as just “homoerotic”????? Just just ARGHHHHHGH taking the “best friend” to another level for fucks sake
"All erasure, no gay"
EraserMic shippers: *_Are you sure about that?_*
OH MY GOD I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT I- SKLDJHGIUDSHG
"a smooch between pals, a make-out between. . . I can't think of any" Meanwhile me screaming at my pc a make-out between mates!!!!
*Two people of the same gender clearly having a romantic relationship in the past*
*historians* : They're just friends!
“Lesbian women exist, MIKE”
“Bisexual women exist, MIKE”
“Not straight women exist, MIKE”
Me: I don’t think Mike got the message yet
Sappho being married to "Dick Allcocks from Man Island" actually was a joke created by ancient comedians! She herself never wrote about her husband at all, though she did most likely have one since she wrote about having a daughter.
Not doubting that that was a joke, but Andros really exists.
There should be equivalent of being "stuck in the closet" for heterosexual people who are not aware that gays exist. Like they are stuck in the fridge.
Stuck in the closet = most people are not aware that you are gay
Stuck in the fridge = you are not aware that some people are gay
Bumps up against the term "fridging"-- check TV Tropes-- but a good idea in theory. How about "stuck in the hallway" instead? As in, they're not even in the room to know what's going on. ;-)
they're not even stuck in the past, cause people have been gay all throughout time
@@astrinymris9953 y e s
though it might sound better if you say "corridor" instead (random thought lol)
I didn’t really know being gay or lgbt was a thing till I was in middle school cuz nobody really told me and of course I didn’t see it much in like movies or shows
Ten years later and I’m real gay
so I was stuck in both the closet and fridge, stuck in the mini fridge in the closet one would say
I once saw a comment on a movie about two woman falling in love and someone commented “it’s so strange that they didn’t put there boyfriends in the trailer. I thought this was a romance.”
Can I ask which movie that was if you remember?
Good news:
I got a gender neutral bathroom at our school
Bad news:
It’s the disabled bathroom
✨break your ankles✨
@@froo5667 alternatively break their ankles
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie
Hopefully u get unisex bathrooms some time that sucks :(
If you are nonbinary you are disabled lol. (sarcasm nonbinary people are valid)
My school has a neutral bathroom, but because of Covid people can only use 1 stall and it sucks for my friend because they have to run across the school and
Not my teacher calling my girlfriend my "friend or,, partner or whatever you said" like?? I was giving a presentation about my future plans and dreams and she was in the love and family section? I called her my partner the whole time and talked about our plans to have kids in the future?? HOW MUCH CLEARER DO I HAVE TO BE???
*HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM*
But... hear me out, platonic partners, buddies, pals
the audacity, even after you were crystal clear!!
A make-out between mates.
A peck between pals.
A french between friends.
A canoodle between comrades.
A buss between buddies.
(feel free to add more gay erasure alliteration :)
If I was in history:
She was very close to her best friend Isabella and Isabella's sister, they all lives together. She dressed masculine and was even said to turn down every man she saw. She was even seen kissing Isabella, therefore, she was very close friends with her.
Spoiler: We're lesbians and Bella's sister is bi
"Close friends and roomates. Sadly they both never found a husband. How tragic."
@Zara Gupta LMFAO----------
@@nirair9650 No what? No to me being lesbian? Like whatttt
@@ILuvMeowMeows no i was talking to zara gupta haha
@@nirair9650 Yeah, I got that a few minutes after I replied lol
when they say “help will be provided to every man and woman” and you just *sweats in enby*
I feel you
enby?
@@clownfromclowntown Short for non-binary.
Dear non-binary pals, y'all are valid!
💛🤍💜🖤
when the leaflet says 'we will help your son or daughter' when it WOULD LITERALLY TAKE LESS TIME AND BE MORE INCLUSIVE TO JUST SAY CHILD
I find it sad, that my great Aunt never felt comfortable coming out even within the family. Even when she ran into my Mom in SF holding hands with another woman. My Mom didn't care, she was just so excited to see her Aunt. The Aunt acted as if she didn't know my mom, so my mom never brought it up again. The thing was the whole family knew she was gay and nobody cared they just loved her the way she was. But born in the early 1900's I am sure coming out to even family was even scary. Just so sad that she took that to the grave when everyone already knew about it.
Just wanted to thank you for educating us and speaking about discrimination in general. I'm a straight, cis, white man, so I have the privilege of not being in any group who is discriminated, but I think it's important for me to learn as much as possible to not hurt my fellow humans. I also have small kids and I try my best to have them grow up accepting all people and helping them accept themselves, whatever preferences they might get when they grow up. Channels like yours help me in that since I don't have any personal experience.
This means a lot to the community, thank you. So many cishet men don’t recognize their privilege and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard them tell us to get over the homophobia. I had to drop a friend because he excused homophobia and said we should get over it. Thank you for educating yourself and wanting to understand us.
I wish everyone thought like this.
Historians be like "Beatrice and Gladys would hang out all day. Then, they would go back to their one bedroom home and make sweet love. They were great friends."
Hmm
"being bi isnt being halfway out of a gay closet, its being fully out of the bisexual closet."
PERIODT JAMMIE
✨ my teacher seriously snuck me into the staff bathroom so I didn’t have to use the gendered bathroom ✨
I wish i had a teacher like that except I’m in online school and not out as non binary yet
That’s wonderful!
“Gay people exist MIKE”
my grandma: a friendship kiss. a peck of companionship. a smooch between pals.
my sister with her wife: ...no
Jamie saying "Lesbians exist, M I K E" in such a stern voice made me laugh so hard lmao.
"Bisexual women exist, M I K E", "Non-straight women exist, M I K E".
Me, a bisexual, non-straight woman: the king has spoken
Some people: LGBTQ+ don’t exist
Me: *vanishes into gayland*
@Riley Harper same
@Riley Harper same
@Riley Harper same
Walks back into the gay lake from which I came
Historians: two male skeletons were found holding eachother
Us: yes
Historians: they both died in eachothers embrace
Us: yes
Historians: And it seems their skulls were touching, so possibly a kiss
Us: YES!!
Historians: they were very close *friends*
Us: NO!!
Post: "But boys don't get periods"
Jamie: *Insert Vault Boy* "Excuse me what the heck"
@Zara Gupta u smoke crack? is that what u smoke?
@Zara Gupta LMAOOO nvm u've commented over 200 times on his videos. get help please ♥️. no one who has sex cares about this shit that much
@Zara Gupta do you like, get off from imagining them as lesbians? y'know these are real ppl right. you could just be a normal person instead of projecting ur fetish onto his videos. maybe watch a movie or like, read a non-picture book and u'll calm down.
@Zara Gupta hon the only one with a disorder here is you
@Zara Gupta aww, poor baby, are you learning that your words, actions, and deliberate provocations have consequences? :(
"Lesbians exist, Mike.
Bisexual women exist, Mike!
Non-straight women exist, MIKE!!!"
Why was this so funny to me? XD
7:59, yes it's true (though not a literal translation), "Kerkylas" is derived from "kerkos", which means "penis", and "andros" means "man" and is also a name of a Greek island.
"Two women kissing is not gay"
And if you asked the same person about two guys they would say it was gay.
Or holding hand
“Men shouldn’t be teachers”
My favorite teacher: *am I a joke to you*
Same, he is awesome
"toxic people shouldn't be teachers" fixed it
Me ADHD and Pansexual: so according to about 25% I either don’t exist or am lying to everyone
Me, an ADD Aro/Ace: Haha, same! Welcome to the double not-real club!
Parents when a cartoon has sexual harrassment but its between a girl and guy : Awwww so cute
Parents when 2 girls in a cartoon like eachother and its wholesome and cute : Disgustangggggg
This
Ikr
Also Toko Fukawa
Exactly
Omg exactly
I didn’t have any tea so I had to go make some then come back to this comment and spit out my tea
history: they were two women, who lived together their entire lives, and never married a man, and were often seen in a loving embrace and were occasionally seen kis-
historians: BEST FRIENDS
Once I was dating a girl (I'm a bi girl) and once we were hanging out at her house and her little brother asked me "Did you know {my girlfriend's name} has a boyfriend? His name is {My name}" It took me 20 minutes to stop laughing
Historians are the embodiment of the “2 bros, chilling in a hot tub” vine.
"Non-straight women exist MIKE"
Me: majoring in history, writing my first serious paper in the uni
My prof: why is there so little homosexuality in your paper? There should be more!
Me: but there is so little homosexuality in my sources...
Prof: ADD THE HOMOSEXUAL SOURCES
Ah yes gay people are new and totally have not been around forever but just surpressed and not recognized
Jamie - trans men have periods, hi!
Me on my p being a trans, gay, demiboy - hi there!
As a student of history, I feel kind of called out. I guess that's a sign to be cognizant of my own biases and avoid erasure when I become a historian.
Thank you! You are part of a turning tide.
All of my best high school science teachers, and I had many of them, were men. They and their passion for what they were teaching are the reason that I am going in to the medical field. The only thing that a teacher needs is the ability to work with children and a passion for what they are teaching, neither of which are defined by gender.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has never shared any passion of their own.
All my best teachers were men. They had the passion for their subjects (especially history, math, and science)
Agreed. My primary school teacher for years 4-6 was male and he was kinder and better at his job than all of the female teachers I had combined. My current drama teacher is male and he is, again, kinder and better at his job than the female drama teacher I had in years 7-8.
“Two women cannot fall in love”
Sappho: 👁👄👁
"I wish, my dear Laurens, it were in my power, by actions, rather than words, to convince you that I love you"
"you should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent"
historians reading the letters between Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens: ha wow they were such great, hetero bros. Hete-bros, if you will.
You got me with the hete-bros XD
Oh no that pronunciation of Chopin had me wheezing 😭
It's pronounced Show-pan btw! 😊
ah good found someone commenting the correct pronunciation 😁
I'll now forever wonder which show that pan was playing in. 😂
*show-pon
My Gran: gays didnt exist until the 30s
me: *points at ancient greece* explain this then
OMG, one of my favorite YT creator bringing up one of my fav web comics. Foxes in love is so cute. And yes, I instantly read that particular comic as them being gay (especially the "called it") but I saw the people trying to make it straight and it's always adorable and disheartening at the same time.
"I don't think men should be teachers"
wait were practically all my teachers fake then?
Probably.
damn my teachers just got thanos snapped-
dang, my grandfather and great grandfather disappeared
No just wrong for existing. Mmm super logical and not insane sexist gender bias at all.
A make-out between mates.
A tounge twist between teams
That last bit of frustration where you're telling Mike off is my new favorite thing
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i mean i’ll take ur word for it-
"She just says she's gay to keep men away/a low profile" - buddy, I don't know to tell you this, but every woman knows the "If I say I'm gay he'll leave me alone" trick, and every woman who's tried it can tell you that it DOESN'T WORK. Also, SHE'S MARRIED TO A WOMAN
Yeah. A lot of the time they say "I cAn ChAnGe YoU!" or "YoU jUsT hAvEn'T bEeN wItH a REAL mAn!" or worse, "CaN I wAtCh/JoIn YoU?"
These people cannot fathom why any woman wouldn't want to date them unless she's already dating another man. Even then, sometimes they don't stop.
My sister once told me that when she went to a club with a friend, she was told that they should "pretend to be coming on to each other" and then guys would flock to them, eager to show them the straight. That was in the 1990s.
It's frustrating that even on subreddits like that there is misinformation and well... erasure. Chopin was not gay, nor was he straight, he was bi. When he was younger he wrote love letters to a guy (if I remember correctly he also wrote him a song), and later in life, he was in a loving relationship with a woman. So yeah, he was bi.
“Gay people were invented”
Is that why I’m so fabulous, because I was made up in a lab? 😂
two people from history: literally kissing, living together, and writing poetry about how much they love each other
historians: no gay stuff here boys, just homiesexual
I don't cry easily(even when I want to) but "my darling and sunshine of my life for 52 years" has got me /sobbinggggg/
Edit: I keep tearing up again everytime i think about it- they were together for 52 YEARS, they must have been so in LOVE, I am SOFT
Gay people be like: the inherent tenderness of calling someone "my darling"
"What is so funny about two women falling in love?" It's not the absurdity, because it's totally normal and okay, unlike the person who commented seems to think. Have a look into r/actuallesbians, and there are tons of stories of lesbians, just, not getting when a relationship has started. There is a goldmine of rom/com fuel there. It's an unfortunate part of lesbian erasure. I would love to see a rom/com featuring a lesbian couple though, that would be great.
I saw this comment on another video but i cant stop thinking about it. Picture this: a story where the Joanns employee and the person who comes there everyday to get cloth for projects fall in love and every day she asks about what project the cloth is for and she explains passionately about every project. And they were ~GAY~. :D
@@nightshade8928 YES 👏
Sounds bloody great and like great episodic TV, with a 'couple of the week' story type in 50+ minute episodes.
IT HAS TO BE ALL OF THE GAY
also animal crossing on Christmas Eve w y'all was really fun :D
And then there's me, one month late (November 27th) because I wanted to catch up to were I left XDDD
I loved Christmas on Animal Crossing! My favorite present was when Diva moved out the next day 😄
I love your pfp
@@autumnnal that's an amazing present bro
@@clowncage Thanks :D
*Jamie:* Hey spuds!
*Subtitles:* Hey squids!
When he's exasperated he sounds like someone doing an impression of an old wizard