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I know, I was thinking the same, not only is it susceptible to kids wanting to stick things into the fan but it looks awful too, I bet the neighbours aren't too happy.
Only started to watch video but I think this may be the exception and not the norm. I noticed within seconds that his boundary appears to be beyond the curve or cut off corner of the wall. Maybe I am wrong...I need to watch the video.
Also interested to know why it's virtually out on the street. Realise I wouldn't be saying that if it was your EV chargepoint, but still surprised by the location.
I thought that, created a really quick and easy step up to look into the garden and pop over the wall.. Looks hideous, also lets hope there are no problems as Octopus repairs are basically non existant.
I am generally a big fan of new technology but my word, I can't believe this is considered progress. Going from that little boiler hidden away in a kitchen cupboard to a washing machine size unit on your drive with all that hideous looking trunking across the wall and up your house! Forgive me for this, as I appreciate this is your home. If this represents the future I've got to say I am really disappointed. Incidentally, what's the noise level like when the unit is on?
Are you telling me the supply and return pipeline runs along the length of that wall and then all the way to the top of the house into the loft space? Seriously? Then miles of pipes in the loft space as well? With a hot water tank in the bloody loft as well….🤔blimey I’m not sure Octopus energy get this ?
Why have you sited the heat pump in the public domain rather than on the other side of the stone wall which would also keep the trunking hidden.Is this not at risk of vandalism?
You are brave locating this where the public can gain access. Can you give us an update in 6 months time of any stolen pipes or vandalism please? Good luck 😂😂😂😂
perfect spot, the local yobs will have a nice cosy bench to hang out on; also I'm sure will make the perfect football target for the younger one's or even cricket stumps. It nice to see consideration being given to the younger generation. well done.
Designed by the Telly Tubbies. A visual eye sore to the area A magnet to vandals who only have to ram a stick in the fan to cripple your home heating. The lowest efficiency gas Air Source heatpumps make sense in principal. But seriously this install won't ever be coming to my house and id never buy a house with it.
I understand constraints on location, just wondered if you had considered the impact on potential sale of your property? There is no way I'd buy a property where the primary heat source for the whole home was totally exposed to risk of vandalism, impact or other issues. If I was buying it would be a condition it was relocated to a secure location within the property. A mortgage / property surveyor may even restrict funds till it was moved.
@@alandupre951 expect locations like this to be far more in the coming months and years as propane units need to be further away from windows and doors. There’s plenty of air con units on display just like this all over the country
@@NicolasRaimo just mount it on a wall! oh yeah you can't do that with the octopus one... another thing they didnt think of. Octopus are usually great but this unit and the way they're being installed (like this insanely inefficient one) is not helping the industry grow.
I can only assume it's noisy based on the positioning as far away from the property as possible, along with the inefficiencies from miles of pipework running externally, and it being open to vandalism and being a general eyesore, it's likely devalued the property and neighbouring properties.
that placement is insane. you'll have people shoving their cigarette butts in it and dogs weeing on it. i've got a vaillant attached to the side of my house. nice airflow, short pipe runs and out of view from me and most of the neighbours.
Came down in the morning and the house was cold... shall I check if the heat pump is still outside... set the householder to the octopus energy company😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😱 wow the whole lot looks so unsightly. Ive installed a split air conditioning system, cooling in winter, and battery storage. Looks and works way better than a wet heat pump system.
@NicolasRaimo split systems, now, are cheap, and they heat straight away as its air driven and they cool. Solar with split elec supply to the hot water. I weighed up both inc how it would look once done. The air conditioning in summer makes the house comfortable all year round. Take up on heat pumps are slow due to what you have been through, I guess. A spilt ac system is a heat pump, 800w electricity to get circa 3000w of heat. As with all these solutions, it's payback time and adding (not loosing valve) to the house. Each to their own.
Interesting video Nic, thanks. We’ve had our Daikin Altherma 3H HT ASHP for 3.5 years. SCOP of 4. Replaced an oil boiler. No radiator or pipe changes (and we have 10mm micro bore pipe drops from 28mm main lines in loft). 210m2 2001 bungalow with some insulation improvements. Very pleased with our installation. Best wishes with yours. Keep up the good work
Many thanks for posting this Nicolas, you asked all the questions I wanted to know the answers for. I had a survey much earlier in the year but my 1920s house needs something a bit more powerful than the 6kW unit. I'm waiting for the larger units to come out (I've heard it may be a Cosy 10 at the beginning of next year). I'd be really interested in what you performance data looks like after running it for a bit.
Whilst Octopus are to be applauded for disrupting the U.K. energy market, the design of the Cosy 6 is a bit of an eyesore and its footprint seems larger than tradition heat pumps? Also did the local council approve installation of the heat pump on the street?
Looking at it it is in his property, his property probably includes the house, garden and garage and driveway, you can see the dividing line, not sure why so many people think it is in the street, it's just visible from the pavement.
@@AaronCocker looks outside his walls to me but either way, inside or out, that is one hideous install, pipes and cables all over the stonework and judging by other commenters, the external unit appears to be like marmite and I hate marmite too LOL
I cannot believe, even with the insulation, the sheer length of the pipework OUTSIDE and in the coldest area of the property. It’s got the bloody water tank pipe work and buffer all in the cold loft space and by Jesus the pump in that heat pump is going to have to work hard to push all that water around.
Genuinely great video! Please do follow ups! Would love to see how it’s going, SCOP, running costs and how solar/battery in autumn/winter and a heat pump mix.
@@nic47531 assume you not been near a normal ashp for air to water there really not noisy and running longer means lower overall compressor work so more quiet
@@nic47531 I cannot say about the cosy6 but I have a air2air one and its virtually silent, you have to get really close and listen to hear it, I once had a delivery driver ask if its noisy when running except it was already running they just couldn't hear it, modern ones with variable speed compressors are just very quiet, its not like the older ones that were either on or off.
Hi,I have watched all your videos,so I understand your installation.My concern is as others have stated is the unit's vaunability...by people or cars... Could you not have installed it in the garden on the other side of the wall ..away from others .
Will be great to see how it performs and practical use. I have a conventional HP and love it, but took a lot of trial and error to get perfect. 6kw is really small so will be interesting. Not too sure about the location there. Might be me just being a Londoner but would be worried about it drawing attention or going for a walk... hopefully that wont happen.
Joined octopus 3 months ago. I had smart meters fitted and got the in home display that has never shown any figures it shows not commissioned nothing but problems trying to get this fixed.Customer service are awful, they say they will look into it and then go silent. The last lady I spoke to said give it another 6 weeks and you can take us to the ombudsman
The home mini has never even been mentioned to me, I will look into this although even my octopus app doesn't show my usage either and octopus have been no help at all.@@NicolasRaimo
I understand the efficiency benefits of a heat pump. The problem for me, and I suspect many others, is the complexity and size. The internal components are at least 2 to 3 times the size of a combi boiler.
What’s crazy is 20/30 years ago this 2/3 times the size was normal and we ripped tanks out for combi and changed how the boiler warmed the home now we going back to what houses had in past
That is an outrageously stupid place to put that and having gone through some of your responses to comments, you seem completely oblivious to reality. That thing is going to be vandalised at the very least and straight up knicked for the copper scrap at worst. You're seriously suggesting that couldn't have gone on the other side of the wall?
and not a cat in hells chance of getting an insurer to cover that and frankly you would need good public liability cover with that thing on the street, I mean how long before some kid shoves something in the fan. Absolutely moronic place to put it.
@@birdingbillySeems they put the isolator behind the unit (judging by the sloppy cable run?) so it will get turned off by a kid or a disgruntled neighbour as it's his land I would have thought a cage would have been a safety minimum or better still extend the wall to square off the garden turn it round and point in inwards so it's properly in his demise. Pipe runs couldn't have been longer if they tried which reduces efficiency and increases response times and water volume It really should be at least 300mm above ground for proper drain run off. Come winter that unit will be in 6" of ice as the defrost water will not be able to get away before it re-freezes. By January it will be refitted either up or somewhere else IMHO. I'm surprised Octopus want this install as a show piece IMHO
Two issue for me straightaway. First is of course the HP on the street. The second is that power unit box the restricting path. Good luck. Something I became aware from one of his videos I believe Nicolas said he'd request them to point the unit at his property. And seems decided against from video. Would be interesting to know why.
Put in rounded top black/gold painted fleur-de-lis fencing to avoid misunderstandings? Likely means the shrubs need hand clippers. No cold well building up in the garden, never realised they could be that far away.
I've done 40 years in the building industry and seen all the new products, but this install has pipe runs that are excessive in copper, air locks, freezing pipes, and theft, and vandalism but just a few, I hope at 3 am in the morning when it starts humming down the street that you still got Neighbours to talk to. what I would like to see in modern housing estates have theses installs and other technology at the start of the build and not added on, this way you would not see the installations and would be fit for purpose .
Really is that why I have to leave it on all the time to get hot water. And when I go on holiday in the winter. Back in the dark ages of the 80's we used to turn the water off got it on demand
They wanted to put the water tank in my kitchen sticking out in the gangway and the heat pump in the middle of my drive way. I wanted the pump situated at the back of the house but was told it couldn’t be done because of the amount of piping. Needless to say I didn’t go ahead.
Luddites alone will destroy this unit, let alone thieves and general vandals. The amount of internal piping and gear needed is 5x more than I expected so I’ll not be getting one until I have a big, new house.
Just had my survey done for a Cosy 6, 1st stumbling block was that because it runs on Propane it is not allowed near any house events, which eliminated basically all the sensible places it would go. Furthermore, My roof pitch is quite low so couldn't fit in a vertical standing water tank, The horizontal one were an extra cost of £800. No heat pump for me.
What’s the total quote? Without the extra £800? Also could you get a smaller tank but just heat it to 60c more? Also how long you had your boiler? If nearing replacement could be worth getting it now before grant goes bye bye
@@NicolasRaimo Hello! Thanks for the Reply. Original quote was £597 (£497 with your referral code) Then quoted the extra £800 for the Horizontal tank, also because we couldn't go with the Cosy6 (propane issues) the Daikin would have breached noise regulations so potentially £200 for non guaranteed planning permission, that with a structural survey of the loft.... total outlay would be in the region of £1,650 including your referral discount. (Combi Boiler is 9 years old btw)
@@AudioGraphics worth noting they all going propane route so bear that in mind! It’s only marginally more than I paid (£1350) work out if it’s worth it for you in payback and potential of boiler breaking remember your save £100 a year in standing charge
@@NicolasRaimo I also forgot to mention, because of my low pitched roof I would have to move my loft hatch to get the water tank in (I have no idea what that would cost.) The only place we could potently have the Daikin was right next to the front door and it was still breaching noise regulations. And it looks a bugger. Also It would be hard to give up my Intelligent Go tariff for our EV'S. (so decided against it) Do you know the reason why they're going propane? They engineer/survey that came round said he had only one sign up for the Cosy6 in the last month or so because of the issues with it using propane, its seems to becoming a big stumbling block for people.
It's funny how many think the condenser unit looks ugly; I don't mind it, and many larger split air conditioning units have the condenser fan on the top - that doesn't seem to cause reliability issues. However, the location chosen for the condenser makes it very vulnerable, and I'm disappointed that the pipe runs are excessively long.
What did you do to get them to put the tank in the loft? We had a survey from Octopus. They came, measured up and left. A while later they sent a mail saying 'Our tank won't fit in your airing cupboard. Bye'
That's an interesting placement Nic, is that officially on your property? Some commercial properties put a cage around their HP to protect from vandals if they are publicly accessible.
@@NicolasRaimoWon’t it impact the efficiency having it so far from the property? I was informed you want it as close as possible to your hot water tank, ideal within a couple of feet, but you must have at least a 30 foot run there, probably more.
I love heat pumps and their efficiency, but surely the angled fan design of the compressor unit is welcoming rain/snow ingress. Seems a little odd to me, maybe I'm wrong?
Commercial heat pumps (The ones on the roofs of tall buildings) tend to all have their fans pointing straight up. When heating, the outside unit will produce condensation (Hence the defrost cycle) and must already have a drainage system setup.
If nothing else, it is definitely going to impact on the lifespan. Just the fact that heat pumps are installed outside impacts on the lifespan, because nothing, especially metal components, do not survive outside in the UK weather. My 25 year old gas boiler in the garage still looks and works like new. I strongly doubt you'll be able to say the same about this heat pump.
@@farab4391 I suspect that your boiler doesn't work like new. It works like a 25 year old boiler, with 25 year old boiler lower efficiency. I think the rep from Octopus mentioned that they have chosen a plastic case so that it will weather better than metal. I'm also guessing that the intention is not for heat pumps installed now to be still used in 25 years time. Things move on, develop, improve and get replaced. Your boiler may look good, may be running without problem, but it will probably have an efficiency of about 60-70% compared to a new one with 90+% efficiency.
Will be interested into how you get on with running it, happy to exchange data with you as I am running my Vaillant 7 Arrotherm plus only at my Octopus Go Inteligent 6 hours then set back zone temperatures & if needed top up temperatures running it from battery storage. Mine runs with 200l buffer so I can add solar pv during the day if its not needed elsewhere.
Thanks for you videos so far... looking forward to further updates. I've just put my order in with Octopus for a Cosy6 and used your referral code, so expect your account to be updated
It looks good. I have one of the Red heatpumps they were making before Octopus took them over and... well, definite mixed feelings. The Octopus buy-out basically killed the product line, and although I've had no problems with getting it fixed, eventually I do wonder if it's going to be difficult to get the custom parts they were using. There was never an app released for the old product and they turned off all Internet activity on the panel (which allowed THEM to inspect how the installation was doing if you had a problem). I don't even think I can buy the Octopus heat pump as a replacement as they don't seem to be service Northern Ireland. To be fair after some initial problems it's been trucking on for about a year and a half now and dealing with Red was always super pleasant (obviously Octopus will have their own service team on the mainland). Still, kinda feel like I should have gone with a Mitsubishi.
I wouldn't tear my house apart to fit a heat pump, and like others have commented, why is it apparently situated out on the street? I'd rather buy a zero-emissions boiler from Tepeo if I was spending that amount, just plugs into the existing flow and return water supply without having to fit new radiators or rip out the walls.
Brave experiment, thanks😳 So much intervention. Think I'll stay with my gas boily 😲 Last year electric+gas bills summer, spring, autumn £50 per month when no heating on, winter £150 per month with everyday heating. Heating always set to keep 20 degrees celsius 24/7 . 3 bed semi, 1000 sq feet. Wondering what are bills on this throughout the year.
I guess the saving are mainly from the standing charge of the gas supply. The current technology just make the heat pump to complicated and used up too much space inside and outside the house.
@@waterloowar I see. Will wait just a bit more. Maybe there will be size improvements while technology advances. Similar as the size from cabinet hard disk drive went to size of cigarette pack...
I'm guessing that the cosy6 could be running for 3+ times the amount of time your boiler is running, for the same cost. Boiler: 1 unit in, max 0.9 unit out. Cosy6: 1 unit in, 3+ units out. Units of energy.
This must be a CO2 footprint disaster replacing a gas boiler with this. The manufacture of that huge thing, all the piping, the large tank, plus all the materials for installation. Part of of newbuild maybe, but as a replacement you're not doing the environment any favours.
Great vlog and hope the position brings extra sales 👍. The scrap man’s nose it twitching with all that copper pipe. Have you seen Gone in 5 seconds? 😂👍
Excellent video, thank you. I am thinking of getting a heat pump. Just a slight query. You said "pods" and "obviously" in the same sentence. What are pods?
Why have you positioned it out side your garden wall for the rest of the street to view planning required? Also be a magnet for kids sticking twigs in and be tempted to give it a kick 😬
@@G3RTH when you look at the effort that the architects and builders have gone to to make it a pleasant and attractive estate and then someone basically says “I don’t care about my neighbours and I won’t have to see it” I’m quite keen to get a heat pump and have an active quote from Octopus at the moment but that location is really selfish in my opinion.
Very good video, well done with the content and production. I am curious to know how much power it drives from your solar inverter in its peak :) I have a 3.6kW inverter and upgrade my battery to roughly 10kW storage on prep for the heat pump. Would you be able to share how much power you have drained from the battery when out of the off-peak times? Although we have not seen the winter months on it yet 🤪
Looks like a street bin! Is this install for real? Why no sweeping bends on the high flow pipes? As for Octopus I'll never use them for anything ever again! Sorry.
I’m hanging out for their higher capacity units, probably the 10kW version. Octopus said they couldn’t do my house as my underfloor heating section would cause a pressure drop. That was designing with the Daikin. I wish they would give an indication of when they expect them to be available
Love that location. It says to me it's your land, otherwise might be getting an 8m high 5g mast there. For national infrastructure they are allowed to use private land with the right compensation and updated records and deeds. Do they do this, or see what they can get away with?
I have to say I'm a bit indifferent on its design. And why have you had it installed outside the front of your home? If that huge fan has a failed bearing after a while it'll make a right racket. I like the app integration though.
@@NicolasRaimo I find it shocking the tax payer has to foot the bill for most of his install when, the poorest and most needy get sod all help. Wrong on so many levels. If you want the eco option, then pay for it yourself.
@@Steven-bh3uk grants are designed to increase demand and lower costs in industry long term everyone will benefit from lower install costs even if they don’t wish to be an early adopter. Regarding the poorer of our society well the grants are higher for them including insulation grants to improve insulation so the home stays warmer for longer, and council homes benefit from even free solar panel installs
@@JohnR31415 thanks for your reply. But it does need to be connected to the home energy system in a way that allows it to draw from the battery. Mine isn’t so doesn’t.
You don't need to wire it into your battery if your battery was fitted correct the CT clamps for the battery should be nearest to the meter meaning the battery powers it no issue as it seems entire grid supply, if yours isn't move the CT clamp to see ENTIRE house load... Ocotopus split tails at meter if your electrians wired your CT near home consumer unit as they were lazy then yes the battery won't support the HP
@@NicolasRaimo my ASHP is connected directly at the metering point it doesn’t sit near the rest of the domestic system at all. This is what I need to question with Octopus. I’d have thought they would have ensured it was capable of running from my battery/solar systems. But ‘no’!
@@mollyandtrix9572 this isn’t an octopus issue this is a who installed your battery issue. Your battery has a CT clamp with it when installed CT is a current transformer it read the amount of electricity passing threw it in either direction all manufacturers instructions are clear as day that this needs to be installed next to the supply meter (smart meter) however some battery and solar installers are lazy and put it near your home system it shouldn’t be there and needs to be moved
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Ta. Used your code today ahead of a Friday survey, fingers crossed!
Don’t like the idea that the heat pump and and copper pipes are situated outside your property boundary. Basically on the street
I know, I was thinking the same, not only is it susceptible to kids wanting to stick things into the fan but it looks awful too, I bet the neighbours aren't too happy.
My immediate first thought!
Only started to watch video but I think this may be the exception and not the norm. I noticed within seconds that his boundary appears to be beyond the curve or cut off corner of the wall. Maybe I am wrong...I need to watch the video.
Someone will try to use it to salt the road in winter....
Agreed, plus the loss of efficiency from those pipe runs!!!
Wonder how long before someone either nicks the heat pump or the copper pipes??
Why on earth have you mounted that out in the street? Totally barmy. I recon it'll be gone in a month
There is an elephant in the room.!!!
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Also the insane length of the flow and return mean there will be heaps of heat lost in transit.
@hypnoboutique this was what I thought straight away 😅
Can’t believe where they put that, how long before someone puts something through the vents?
Also interested to know why it's virtually out on the street. Realise I wouldn't be saying that if it was your EV chargepoint, but still surprised by the location.
Wait for someone to complain when it does a defrost cycle 😂
@@Pepperthestaffie Building Regulations combined with a getting decent airflow give limited options.
What a shame for the aesthetics of the street.
See his previous videos for location reasoning
The local dogs will have something to piss against
And the local kids will jam it up with sticks and twigs or put that gravel in it.
Insane location for outdoor unit and piping. Local vandals must think Christmas has come early
I thought that, created a really quick and easy step up to look into the garden and pop over the wall.. Looks hideous, also lets hope there are no problems as Octopus repairs are basically non existant.
Yep and yep
@@steve11211 I had a small leak near the frost protection valve. A engineer was at my door with in 3 hours of making a call.
@@bryanhindle8307 You got lucky, there are all sorts of issues with car chargers with Octopus energy fobbing off customer to manufacturer.
Apparently it's been stolen
The location and length of external pipework is ridiculous
Why's it not inside Your garden 🏡?? That's literally mental
Don’t want to look at it because it’s ugly and probably because of the noise as well
Thanks for posting this video, I know what not to do when I get my Octopus install.
That pipe run is ridiculous you must lose so much heat by time it gets to the Tank.
Exactly my thoughts as well, it's way too long to be efficient.
I am generally a big fan of new technology but my word, I can't believe this is considered progress. Going from that little boiler hidden away in a kitchen cupboard to a washing machine size unit on your drive with all that hideous looking trunking across the wall and up your house! Forgive me for this, as I appreciate this is your home. If this represents the future I've got to say I am really disappointed. Incidentally, what's the noise level like when the unit is on?
They have 500% efficiency but I got quoted £10k and this video shows me I have no room at all for the tank etc
Are you telling me the supply and return pipeline runs along the length of that wall and then all the way to the top of the house into the loft space? Seriously? Then miles of pipes in the loft space as well? With a hot water tank in the bloody loft as well….🤔blimey I’m not sure Octopus energy get this ?
Did you consider putting the outdoor unit in your neighbour's yard 😂
Yea but sadly neighbor wanted me to pay to pipe it to there’s also
Why have you sited the heat pump in the public domain rather than on the other side of the stone wall which would also keep the trunking hidden.Is this not at risk of vandalism?
I live in London so I placed my pump in Glasgow, just need to run the pipework.
lol
You are brave locating this where the public can gain access. Can you give us an update in 6 months time of any stolen pipes or vandalism please? Good luck 😂😂😂😂
Police searching for items? That'll be South London.
@@plinble Good news though I've just got a heat pump real cheap of a chap called Del.
perfect spot, the local yobs will have a nice cosy bench to hang out on; also I'm sure will make the perfect football target for the younger one's or even cricket stumps. It nice to see consideration being given to the younger generation. well done.
Designed by the Telly Tubbies.
A visual eye sore to the area
A magnet to vandals who only have to ram a stick in the fan to cripple your home heating.
The lowest efficiency gas
Air Source heatpumps make sense in principal. But seriously this install won't ever be coming to my house and id never buy a house with it.
I understand constraints on location, just wondered if you had considered the impact on potential sale of your property?
There is no way I'd buy a property where the primary heat source for the whole home was totally exposed to risk of vandalism, impact or other issues.
If I was buying it would be a condition it was relocated to a secure location within the property.
A mortgage / property surveyor may even restrict funds till it was moved.
@@alandupre951 expect locations like this to be far more in the coming months and years as propane units need to be further away from windows and doors. There’s plenty of air con units on display just like this all over the country
@@NicolasRaimo just mount it on a wall! oh yeah you can't do that with the octopus one... another thing they didnt think of. Octopus are usually great but this unit and the way they're being installed (like this insanely inefficient one) is not helping the industry grow.
I’m one of those property surveyors and I won’t hold any funds until it’s moved. 100% guaranteed!
I can only assume it's noisy based on the positioning as far away from the property as possible, along with the inefficiencies from miles of pipework running externally, and it being open to vandalism and being a general eyesore, it's likely devalued the property and neighbouring properties.
that placement is insane. you'll have people shoving their cigarette butts in it and dogs weeing on it. i've got a vaillant attached to the side of my house. nice airflow, short pipe runs and out of view from me and most of the neighbours.
In all fairness it does resemble a bin put there by the council.
Came down in the morning and the house was cold... shall I check if the heat pump is still outside... set the householder to the octopus energy company😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Cosy6 looks like the local binmen might try to empty it on collection day.
Heat pump installed on the street, this is a wind up correct?
😱 wow the whole lot looks so unsightly. Ive installed a split air conditioning system, cooling in winter, and battery storage. Looks and works way better than a wet heat pump system.
But would of cost more than £1350 this was installed for and id still need to find a way to heat my water
@NicolasRaimo split systems, now, are cheap, and they heat straight away as its air driven and they cool. Solar with split elec supply to the hot water. I weighed up both inc how it would look once done. The air conditioning in summer makes the house comfortable all year round. Take up on heat pumps are slow due to what you have been through, I guess. A spilt ac system is a heat pump, 800w electricity to get circa 3000w of heat. As with all these solutions, it's payback time and adding (not loosing valve) to the house. Each to their own.
@@dant4432 split air system was far far more than £1350 install price
Interesting video Nic, thanks. We’ve had our Daikin Altherma 3H HT ASHP for 3.5 years. SCOP of 4. Replaced an oil boiler. No radiator or pipe changes (and we have 10mm micro bore pipe drops from 28mm main lines in loft). 210m2 2001 bungalow with some insulation improvements. Very pleased with our installation. Best wishes with yours. Keep up the good work
Thanks Julian!
I've just told my household insurance that my heat pump is outside on the street😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How long is the run between the cylinder and the HP? The losses will be huge and will trash the COP
Many thanks for posting this Nicolas, you asked all the questions I wanted to know the answers for. I had a survey much earlier in the year but my 1920s house needs something a bit more powerful than the 6kW unit. I'm waiting for the larger units to come out (I've heard it may be a Cosy 10 at the beginning of next year). I'd be really interested in what you performance data looks like after running it for a bit.
Whilst Octopus are to be applauded for disrupting the U.K. energy market, the design of the Cosy 6 is a bit of an eyesore and its footprint seems larger than tradition heat pumps? Also did the local council approve installation of the heat pump on the street?
Depends who you ask I prefer look of it over normal heat pumps and many neighbours commenting same and interested in getting same now
@@NicolasRaimo even more of a target for the local metal robbers, frankly I'm amazed you were able to get the necessary consents for that.
Looking at it it is in his property, his property probably includes the house, garden and garage and driveway, you can see the dividing line, not sure why so many people think it is in the street, it's just visible from the pavement.
@@AaronCocker looks outside his walls to me but either way, inside or out, that is one hideous install, pipes and cables all over the stonework and judging by other commenters, the external unit appears to be like marmite and I hate marmite too LOL
I cannot believe, even with the insulation, the sheer length of the pipework OUTSIDE and in the coldest area of the property. It’s got the bloody water tank pipe work and buffer all in the cold loft space and by Jesus the pump in that heat pump is going to have to work hard to push all that water around.
For your sake, Nick, really hope the next teen TicTok trend isn't: "What happens when a Cody 6 meets Mr Sticky, Lucy Glue or Terry Treacle". 😮
I was thinking it will be nicked, or vandalised. Nicked by some kind sole.
Take care M.
Genuinely great video! Please do follow ups! Would love to see how it’s going, SCOP, running costs and how solar/battery in autumn/winter and a heat pump mix.
Coming soon! Stay tuned
That’s an eyesore for everyone else in the neighbourhood
Outside your garden wall facing your neighbours, probably not considered the done thing.
No different to caravans or trailers sat outside or bins
@@NicolasRaimo what about constant humming? It going to run 24/7 in winter?
@@nic47531 assume you not been near a normal ashp for air to water there really not noisy and running longer means lower overall compressor work so more quiet
@@nic47531 I cannot say about the cosy6 but I have a air2air one and its virtually silent, you have to get really close and listen to hear it, I once had a delivery driver ask if its noisy when running except it was already running they just couldn't hear it, modern ones with variable speed compressors are just very quiet, its not like the older ones that were either on or off.
Hi,I have watched all your videos,so I understand your installation.My concern is as others have stated is the unit's vaunability...by people or cars...
Could you not have installed it in the garden on the other side of the wall ..away from others .
What does the electrical regulation stand on putting this equipment in the area of the general public
Like at outside light… or an outside socket…
Brave choice of install. Not for everyone
It looks like a rubbish bin!
Will be great to see how it performs and practical use. I have a conventional HP and love it, but took a lot of trial and error to get perfect. 6kw is really small so will be interesting.
Not too sure about the location there. Might be me just being a Londoner but would be worried about it drawing attention or going for a walk... hopefully that wont happen.
Joined octopus 3 months ago. I had smart meters fitted and got the in home display that has never shown any figures it shows not commissioned nothing but problems trying to get this fixed.Customer service are awful, they say they will look into it and then go silent. The last lady I spoke to said give it another 6 weeks and you can take us to the ombudsman
Your aware in home displays are pretty useless ask them for a home mini to replace it… also the amount shown on the in home isn’t what your pay
The home mini has never even been mentioned to me, I will look into this although even my octopus app doesn't show my usage either and octopus have been no help at all.@@NicolasRaimo
Your garden looks a good size, any reason you didn’t get it installed nearer to you house on the other side of the wall?
See heat pump series on my channel page, my garden is pretty small and locations inside limited
You wouldn't want that sitting in your garden. Better putting it where only your neighbours have to see it, it would appear.
I understand the efficiency benefits of a heat pump. The problem for me, and I suspect many others, is the complexity and size. The internal components are at least 2 to 3 times the size of a combi boiler.
What’s crazy is 20/30 years ago this 2/3 times the size was normal and we ripped tanks out for combi and changed how the boiler warmed the home now we going back to what houses had in past
i've just noticed its right next to your garage entrance as well, that is so vulnerable to damage from people parking. wow.
That is an outrageously stupid place to put that and having gone through some of your responses to comments, you seem completely oblivious to reality. That thing is going to be vandalised at the very least and straight up knicked for the copper scrap at worst. You're seriously suggesting that couldn't have gone on the other side of the wall?
and not a cat in hells chance of getting an insurer to cover that and frankly you would need good public liability cover with that thing on the street, I mean how long before some kid shoves something in the fan. Absolutely moronic place to put it.
@@archibaldoctavion3851 I think consideration to neighbours would mean inside the garden wall would've been a must but 🤷
@@birdingbillySeems they put the isolator behind the unit (judging by the sloppy cable run?) so it will get turned off by a kid or a disgruntled neighbour
as it's his land I would have thought a cage would have been a safety minimum or better still extend the wall to square off the garden turn it round and point in inwards so it's properly in his demise.
Pipe runs couldn't have been longer if they tried which reduces efficiency and increases response times and water volume
It really should be at least 300mm above ground for proper drain run off. Come winter that unit will be in 6" of ice as the defrost water will not be able to get away before it re-freezes. By January it will be refitted either up or somewhere else IMHO.
I'm surprised Octopus want this install as a show piece IMHO
It’s so ugly he doesn’t want to see it inside his garden😂, he may as well have stuck the thing on the roof as at least it would look like a chimney 👍
Battery angle grinder, sack truck, two strong lads and thats away in under 2 minutes, unless the invisible anchor bolts stop this@@birdingbilly
Two issue for me straightaway. First is of course the HP on the street. The second is that power unit box the restricting path. Good luck.
Something I became aware from one of his videos I believe Nicolas said he'd request them to point the unit at his property. And seems decided against from video. Would be interesting to know why.
Put in rounded top black/gold painted fleur-de-lis fencing to avoid misunderstandings? Likely means the shrubs need hand clippers. No cold well building up in the garden, never realised they could be that far away.
Great to see these finally coming to market and I like the look of it. I think a protective cage round it would be a good move though.
Won’t stop kids trying to flick crisp packets etc into it.
Oh yeah that will look much better.......not.
I've done 40 years in the building industry and seen all the new products, but this install has pipe runs that are excessive in copper, air locks, freezing pipes, and theft, and vandalism but just a few, I hope at 3 am in the morning when it starts humming down the street that you still got Neighbours to talk to.
what I would like to see in modern housing estates have theses installs and other technology at the start of the build and not added on, this way you would not see the installations and would be fit for purpose .
What an ugly piece of kit. Hope they don’t become the norm. Also seems silly to put on a public street….just asking for vandalism
Did you re-enforce the loft joists? thats a lot of weight in that hot water tank. Can’t see why the heat pump would be located there .
Thanks for the video mate, I signed up earlier and used your code for splitting the £200.
What a crazy job and set up , no thanks 😂
Really is that why I have to leave it on all the time to get hot water. And when I go on holiday in the winter. Back in the dark ages of the 80's we used to turn the water off got it on demand
They wanted to put the water tank in my kitchen sticking out in the gangway and the heat pump in the middle of my drive way. I wanted the pump situated at the back of the house but was told it couldn’t be done because of the amount of piping. Needless to say I didn’t go ahead.
Luddites alone will destroy this unit, let alone thieves and general vandals.
The amount of internal piping and gear needed is 5x more than I expected so I’ll not be getting one until I have a big, new house.
Just had my survey done for a Cosy 6,
1st stumbling block was that because it runs on Propane it is not allowed near any house events, which eliminated basically all the sensible places it would go. Furthermore, My roof pitch is quite low so couldn't fit in a vertical standing water tank, The horizontal one were an extra cost of £800.
No heat pump for me.
What’s the total quote? Without the extra £800? Also could you get a smaller tank but just heat it to 60c more? Also how long you had your boiler? If nearing replacement could be worth getting it now before grant goes bye bye
@@NicolasRaimo Hello! Thanks for the Reply. Original quote was £597 (£497 with your referral code) Then quoted the extra £800 for the Horizontal tank, also because we couldn't go with the Cosy6 (propane issues) the Daikin would have breached noise regulations so potentially £200 for non guaranteed planning permission, that with a structural survey of the loft.... total outlay would be in the region of £1,650 including your referral discount. (Combi Boiler is 9 years old btw)
@@AudioGraphics worth noting they all going propane route so bear that in mind! It’s only marginally more than I paid (£1350) work out if it’s worth it for you in payback and potential of boiler breaking remember your save £100 a year in standing charge
@@NicolasRaimo I also forgot to mention, because of my low pitched roof I would have to move my loft hatch to get the water tank in (I have no idea what that would cost.) The only place we could potently have the Daikin was right next to the front door and it was still breaching noise regulations. And it looks a bugger. Also It would be hard to give up my Intelligent Go tariff for our EV'S. (so decided against it)
Do you know the reason why they're going propane? They engineer/survey that came round said he had only one sign up for the Cosy6 in the last month or so because of the issues with it using propane, its seems to becoming a big stumbling block for people.
@@AudioGraphics risk of release, propane has a co2 release of 2 or 3 and others are like 50 or more
Weather compensation curve controls?
Can you go into more details about the control system integration etc
Future videos will follow
Some unusual installation choices across the board here. Are the fitters former heating installers, or is this all new?
The choices are mine as the customer
@@NicolasRaimo I mean things like a consumer unit mounted directly onto the outside wall, pipe runs etc.
Is that your land beyond that wall?
Will be interested to see scop/cop numbers in your use case
Updates and more to come
@@NicolasRaimo Will you be fitting an open energy monitor?
Why not instal in the loft and core hole a vent through the gable?
It's funny how many think the condenser unit looks ugly; I don't mind it, and many larger split air conditioning units have the condenser fan on the top - that doesn't seem to cause reliability issues. However, the location chosen for the condenser makes it very vulnerable, and I'm disappointed that the pipe runs are excessively long.
See last week and it will make more sense
What did you do to get them to put the tank in the loft? We had a survey from Octopus. They came, measured up and left. A while later they sent a mail saying 'Our tank won't fit in your airing cupboard. Bye'
Will you be adding another video of it operational? We've recently signed our agreement and it'd be interesting to hear noise levels, etc.
All to come hit subscribe and the bell 🔔
That's an interesting placement Nic, is that officially on your property? Some commercial properties put a cage around their HP to protect from vandals if they are publicly accessible.
It’s my land yes, I own that entire strip, heat pumps don’t get nicked there’s plenty of other places with easier things to steal and resell
Just thinking of a cheeky kid damaging it rather than nicking it, I'm sure it's too heavy to lift @@NicolasRaimo
@@Lewis_Standing I live in a nice area with cctv on 2 neighbors homes everyone in village knows everyone if I lived where my old home was I’d agree
@@NicolasRaimolooks good mate. I'm jealous I need to get off gas asap.
@@NicolasRaimoWon’t it impact the efficiency having it so far from the property? I was informed you want it as close as possible to your hot water tank, ideal within a couple of feet, but you must have at least a 30 foot run there, probably more.
I love heat pumps and their efficiency, but surely the angled fan design of the compressor unit is welcoming rain/snow ingress. Seems a little odd to me, maybe I'm wrong?
Commercial heat pumps (The ones on the roofs of tall buildings) tend to all have their fans pointing straight up. When heating, the outside unit will produce condensation (Hence the defrost cycle) and must already have a drainage system setup.
it's a non issue
No reason to assume you are not wrong.
If nothing else, it is definitely going to impact on the lifespan. Just the fact that heat pumps are installed outside impacts on the lifespan, because nothing, especially metal components, do not survive outside in the UK weather. My 25 year old gas boiler in the garage still looks and works like new. I strongly doubt you'll be able to say the same about this heat pump.
@@farab4391 I suspect that your boiler doesn't work like new. It works like a 25 year old boiler, with 25 year old boiler lower efficiency.
I think the rep from Octopus mentioned that they have chosen a plastic case so that it will weather better than metal. I'm also guessing that the intention is not for heat pumps installed now to be still used in 25 years time. Things move on, develop, improve and get replaced.
Your boiler may look good, may be running without problem, but it will probably have an efficiency of about 60-70% compared to a new one with 90+% efficiency.
Sometimes I watch TH-cam and think I'm watching an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Will be interested into how you get on with running it, happy to exchange data with you as I am running my Vaillant 7 Arrotherm plus only at my Octopus Go Inteligent 6 hours then set back zone temperatures & if needed top up temperatures running it from battery storage.
Mine runs with 200l buffer so I can add solar pv during the day if its not needed elsewhere.
Thanks for you videos so far... looking forward to further updates. I've just put my order in with Octopus for a Cosy6 and used your referral code, so expect your account to be updated
Thanks so much Matt
i wonder how long the bearings will last with the fan on the slope
as opposed to what? its been designed with the tilt rather than its been tilted
@ bearings last better horizontal or vertical, less wear
Thank you for sharing Nicholas, I will be interested in the follow up performance outcomes. Are you fitting Open Energy Monitor equipment?
Maybe….
Is this even placed on your property?
I’d have thought that outside wall was your boundary?
Another video see follow up
Nice position for Vandals to prat about with it, if that is your boundary then why not rebuild the wall so it is inside your property
I quite like the look of the Cosy6.
It makes a nice change from the bland looking white boxes you normally see.
Totally agree why we got it
Have you seen the original Red heat pump? Quick plunger mod and you'd have yourself a Dalek.
It looks good. I have one of the Red heatpumps they were making before Octopus took them over and... well, definite mixed feelings. The Octopus buy-out basically killed the product line, and although I've had no problems with getting it fixed, eventually I do wonder if it's going to be difficult to get the custom parts they were using. There was never an app released for the old product and they turned off all Internet activity on the panel (which allowed THEM to inspect how the installation was doing if you had a problem).
I don't even think I can buy the Octopus heat pump as a replacement as they don't seem to be service Northern Ireland. To be fair after some initial problems it's been trucking on for about a year and a half now and dealing with Red was always super pleasant (obviously Octopus will have their own service team on the mainland).
Still, kinda feel like I should have gone with a Mitsubishi.
I love the red HP! Again another marmite look like others, I suspect octopus will move to NI, and should help keep unit supported
Looks like a nice neat installation Nick 👍🏻
Especialy this BAZOKA on the street NOOO
Yeah, if you ignore the great big heat pump on the pavement
I wouldn't tear my house apart to fit a heat pump, and like others have commented, why is it apparently situated out on the street? I'd rather buy a zero-emissions boiler from Tepeo if I was spending that amount, just plugs into the existing flow and return water supply without having to fit new radiators or rip out the walls.
Could you show where the condensate\defrost drains please?
Brave experiment, thanks😳
So much intervention.
Think I'll stay with my gas boily 😲
Last year electric+gas bills summer, spring, autumn £50 per month when no heating on, winter £150 per month with everyday heating. Heating always set to keep 20 degrees celsius 24/7 .
3 bed semi, 1000 sq feet.
Wondering what are bills on this throughout the year.
I guess the saving are mainly from the standing charge of the gas supply.
The current technology just make the heat pump to complicated and used up too much space inside and outside the house.
@@waterloowar I see. Will wait just a bit more. Maybe there will be size improvements while technology advances.
Similar as the size from cabinet hard disk drive went to size of cigarette pack...
I'm guessing that the cosy6 could be running for 3+ times the amount of time your boiler is running, for the same cost. Boiler: 1 unit in, max 0.9 unit out. Cosy6: 1 unit in, 3+ units out. Units of energy.
@ you are right. The electricity is also three times higher. Which means break even
Boost on the hot water would be useful for short Octopus Agile price plunge events too
Did you have to get a structural survey for the cylinder in the loft? Who did it, and how much did it cost please? Octopus said I need one.
Wasn’t needed for my loft type unless I wanted a larger tank as that required it for size plus I’d of needed calcs for changing loft hatch size
@@NicolasRaimo Thank you! It concerns me how cold it will get in the loft making it really inefficient.
@@mackay250 5am I heated mine to 53c it’s now 9am and 51.3 it will hold above 49c till 7pm
@@NicolasRaimoMaybe it will be ok. I suppose you have to wait until it’s really cold to be sure but looks promising.
@@mackay250 they are well insulated but of course it won’t preform as well as if in heated area but in summer your be happy it’s in loft
Why does the hot water cylinder need lighting to function?
It doesn’t it’s for engineers to work up their
How did you get/force Cozy 6?
what time does it go dark?
can rain get in the sloping top
How is heating a 250L cylinder energy efficient unless you heat it by solar? We are going backward.
Heat pump for water heating uses 1kw of electricity to make 3kw of heat gas would be a lot less using more energy
This must be a CO2 footprint disaster replacing a gas boiler with this. The manufacture of that huge thing, all the piping, the large tank, plus all the materials for installation. Part of of newbuild maybe, but as a replacement you're not doing the environment any favours.
Great vlog and hope the position brings extra sales 👍.
The scrap man’s nose it twitching with all that copper pipe. Have you seen Gone in 5 seconds? 😂👍
What's a vlog? 😜
How have you been allowed and why have you put the heat pump in the street?
I haven’t put it on the street..
Wow bet the neighbours are buzzing 😂 It's virtually invisible 🫣🤓
Excellent video, thank you. I am thinking of getting a heat pump. Just a slight query. You said "pods" and "obviously" in the same sentence. What are pods?
Pods are sensors in the home room temperature sensors
@@NicolasRaimo Thank you. I wonder why they are called pods? It makes it sound like they do something different.
@@t4bs594 they can be pressed to boost temperature and report humidity
@@NicolasRaimo Oh. OK, thanks.
I had a look at our home for heat pump. Good to see that a heat pump can be located few meters from wall of house..
It’s located in Bristol while his house is in Newbury 👍😂🌧️
Why have you positioned it out side your garden wall for the rest of the street to view planning required? Also be a magnet for kids sticking twigs in and be tempted to give it a kick 😬
See previous videos explaining why
@@G3RTH when you look at the effort that the architects and builders have gone to to make it a pleasant and attractive estate and then someone basically says “I don’t care about my neighbours and I won’t have to see it”
I’m quite keen to get a heat pump and have an active quote from Octopus at the moment but that location is really selfish in my opinion.
@@NatGooner If you want control over how a plot of land looks, you're welcome to buy it. Otherwise, let people do what they want on their own land.
Very good video, well done with the content and production.
I am curious to know how much power it drives from your solar inverter in its peak :)
I have a 3.6kW inverter and upgrade my battery to roughly 10kW storage on prep for the heat pump. Would you be able to share how much power you have drained from the battery when out of the off-peak times?
Although we have not seen the winter months on it yet 🤪
Looks like a street bin! Is this install for real? Why no sweeping bends on the high flow pipes? As for Octopus I'll never use them for anything ever again! Sorry.
I like it. Interested to know if octopus include radiator changes within the quote ie. The Daiken quote i had included quite a few rad swaps.
It did indeed include rad swaps and fitting tank cheap as hell
I’m hanging out for their higher capacity units, probably the 10kW version. Octopus said they couldn’t do my house as my underfloor heating section would cause a pressure drop. That was designing with the Daikin. I wish they would give an indication of when they expect them to be available
Love that location. It says to me it's your land, otherwise might be getting an 8m high 5g mast there. For national infrastructure they are allowed to use private land with the right compensation and updated records and deeds. Do they do this, or see what they can get away with?
I have to say I'm a bit indifferent on its design. And why have you had it installed outside the front of your home? If that huge fan has a failed bearing after a while it'll make a right racket. I like the app integration though.
Did I miss the heat loss calculation for your house ? Be interested on a new build what it was
Previous video in the series
That is crazy, why would you put it there?
So, in a nutshell. How much did you fork out for the installation and comission?
£1350 to octopus
£100 for plaster
@@NicolasRaimo I find it shocking the tax payer has to foot the bill for most of his install when, the poorest and most needy get sod all help. Wrong on so many levels. If you want the eco option, then pay for it yourself.
@@Steven-bh3uk grants are designed to increase demand and lower costs in industry long term everyone will benefit from lower install costs even if they don’t wish to be an early adopter. Regarding the poorer of our society well the grants are higher for them including insulation grants to improve insulation so the home stays warmer for longer, and council homes benefit from even free solar panel installs
Did the octopus electrician wire it into you battery system? Or did you have to get someone else in to do that?
It takes power, battery will supply power, no special wiring…
@@JohnR31415 thanks for your reply. But it does need to be connected to the home energy system in a way that allows it to draw from the battery. Mine isn’t so doesn’t.
You don't need to wire it into your battery if your battery was fitted correct the CT clamps for the battery should be nearest to the meter meaning the battery powers it no issue as it seems entire grid supply, if yours isn't move the CT clamp to see ENTIRE house load... Ocotopus split tails at meter if your electrians wired your CT near home consumer unit as they were lazy then yes the battery won't support the HP
@@NicolasRaimo my ASHP is connected directly at the metering point it doesn’t sit near the rest of the domestic system at all. This is what I need to question with Octopus. I’d have thought they would have ensured it was capable of running from my battery/solar systems. But ‘no’!
@@mollyandtrix9572 this isn’t an octopus issue this is a who installed your battery issue.
Your battery has a CT clamp with it when installed CT is a current transformer it read the amount of electricity passing threw it in either direction all manufacturers instructions are clear as day that this needs to be installed next to the supply meter (smart meter) however some battery and solar installers are lazy and put it near your home system it shouldn’t be there and needs to be moved