i once had a nuc (skull canyon, 600 bucks) that i used for 1080p gaming. the poor single fan was always on max speed (being obnoxiously loud) while playing dark souls 3 and failed after a few weeks. how is the noise with this one? are the fans constantly in panic mode while gaming? what resolution do you play on?
Thank you so much for finally giving some results on this mini PC. You're the only reliable TH-camr that takes the time and interest for these Mini PCs. Intel and SimplyNUC ignored their own bullet point of posting Passmark speeds. I'm planning to order this NUC after I run some more tests on my own Zotac Mini PC with a RTX 2080 mobile GPU.
Im glad I found this. Im a trucker and I was thinking of taking my home pc with me on the road. Now I don't have to! I can just buy one of these and not have to worry about it getting damaged.
A770M? Interesting, very interesting. You know, this is a segment where Intel could sell a lot more Alchemist GPUs compared to desktops especially at the right price. Hopefully they go all in on these dGPU nucs.
@@191. if you are using that drive to back everything up, it makes a convenient way to have everything in one place. You don't need to use an expensive drive for this.
I am looking forward to the new RDNA3 APUs as they might get a decent performance (maybe even like an underpowered 3060 or so) with little power consumption
Well done. Not just doing a feature review but comparing the previous generation as well: Effectively a 33% performance boost from the Nuc 11. Great review.
Emulation testing please. Would love to see how the new video chipset performs given its early drivers and a few weird hiccups in windows and some apps. Thanks for the great video :-)
Reposting this as my comment seems to have been deleted or gone missing. The price i've seen on SimplyNUC's website is 1699, for the base model with 8GB of ram and 256GB of SSD storage. That's abysmal pricing and will make it DoA. Even if that pricing had 64GB of Ram and 2TB of storage included it would still be a ripoff. Spec per spec (32GB/512GB storage) it becomes obsoleted by the base model M1 Max Mac Studio for video editing since it's only 50$ cheaper but lacks 10Gbit ethernet and Apple's Neural Engine which is very important, and it prices itself out of the market for gaming/HTPC purposes. Not looking good.
Man, Arc is really good IF Intel finally gets over the jank of their GPU drivers that's been haunting them ever since Iris Xe, gonna consider them over midrange RTX cards if they build up good rapport with their drivers.
I think if you want to work with adobe and video editing than you need faster ram and cpu, so you better go with ryzen 9 6900hx or some equivalent desktop cpu and ddr5 ram..
That's a huge power usage on idle, can you test it on balanced or power saving? I'm wondering if it could work as a small server when not used for gaming.
Super nice machine, been using mine for 3 days, only issue is sometimes the shutdown takes forever, it stays in like a hibernation mode with power led on and network on but no video, same happens with reboot sometimes not always…
I'm sure they've improved the graphics over older NUCs. I got turned off on them because I was having so much trouble with no sound over HDMI in games. Intel said it only happened with older titles and wasn't their problem. Some weird resolution switching thing. But, It seemed most of the things I wanted to play fell into that category. Dedicated speakers worked fine but the box fell out of use rather quickly.
I just got this nuc and running witcher on 4k ultra gives me 30 fps and im not really sure why. Im not even close to 70 fps that is shown in the video, and thats with xess quality on performance
Not on sale through Amazon US right now. eBay is clocking them in at $1800-2000. That's a lot. Especially when you have that 3070 barebones going for $1300 with storage, OS, and ram
@@Dandre181 $1700 for first gen GPU and last gen CPU, is still a bit much. The size is absolutely insane, and I'd love to get it. But I'll wait for it to drop to $1400-1500 with some more reviews out there.
We want to see emulation of course and although I have only seen you do one thing with a VR headset I would like to know how well it performs with VR games like Skyrim, No Man's Sky and Dolphin VR with Mario Kart. Steam VR and Oculus using Link and Virtual Desktop.
I'm always against buying first gen products, but this seems very solid. I hope they come down in price well enough to buy. Looks like a great secondary PC.
I wish Meteor lake igpu is souped up with A750M just to make Amd be more proactive..Intel can keep the same 16c24t config like in 12900K while keeping the tile gpu bigger Current gen i9 already sips 250-300w why not just make it go 350W tdp and begone with dgpu
Great video! How does the machine perform with productivity softwares? Like Adobe Photoshop, Premiere Pro (especially video rendering), Blender, etc? Can we expect a review with this tools? Thanks!
Hi - Just a side note for Linux @ETA PRIME There is no support for Arc natively in Linux yet, to get it working you'll need to compile Kernel 6 from source and then tell the distro you're using to use that.
Arch already has kernel 6 in repos and I'm running it right now 😉 As @N Vingesh pointed out, I'm more concerned about the right Mesa version and stuff. Glad that Michael Larabel already tested it and wrote something about it so that I know at least this 🙂
I think a big thing missed in this video is the issues that the Arc GPU can run into on older titles. If you play a game that does not have dx12 support, your FPS could potentially crash hard. Not an issue if you playing current gen games, but could be one if your playing older or retro titles.
i wish you should have showed the power gpu pulling since it stated to be 120-150w🙌 but still great video on new arc a770m gpu and i am first time seeing a video of it
Thanks a lot for this presentation on Intel's Serpent Canyon. I'm not so much a gamer as I am interested in the creativity side of usage. i.e., 4K video NLE productions, etc. What I really want to see is where the heck to be able to buy the device in the first place (other than Simply NUC). I want to get a bare bones kit and install my own memory and storage. I don't want to have to be 'forced' to buy aging tech components from a system builder/integrator. If I can not get it before the end of the year, I may have to compromise and opt for ASUS' new PN53 miniPC kit. I might consider Dragon Canyon but then that starts to become building your own PC again, finding a graphics card for the kit which raises the price, and more fundamentally, the overall size increases as well. I currently have Hades Canyon which is due for replacement if/when the solution becomes available.
@@Withnail1969 Actually I managed to purchase one through NewEgg (they have them) back around mid-November. But TBH, I suddenly became disinterested in it for reasons and restrategizing my needs. I currently have it on auction.
Just curious how well an installation of Proxmox would do with IOMMU pass-through. Not as a heavy-duty VM but as a quick way to open a specific OS and have the environment available for testing.
👍👍👍Hey hey hey... was thinking about using tt as a server - baremetal or VM. Just recently setup a Proxmox pfSense firewall with Six 2.5G ports on a miniPC form-factor. Just wonder if price make sense...
@@bobwong8268 - I agree, the price would probably push it out of the economical range. I was thinking it would be small enough to be portable so you could take it on a trip without a huge hassle.
About World of Warcraft. The Ardenveld location loads the system the most. It will be right if you conduct the World of Warcraft test in this location.
I recently sold my phantom canyon on a quest for my next pc is it possible to do a side by side comparison on some games with the serpent and phantom 🙏
OpenGL and Vulkan are also very good, so linux gaming should be a non issue As for DX9 titles on linux, if you run them through Proton, DX9 gets translated to Vulkan anyways so there shouldn't be any performance hit
Not so much testing wise, but im wondering if you can disassemble it to the point where the plastic frame is removed (just leaving the hardware and coolers etc) and tell me the height of the unit? Weird request i know but im intending on building it into a specific application. Thanks!
Do more gaming videos about this product & changed the performance in the control panel Intel graphics to performance by default it’s on balanced changed the PCIE link power management to off for full performance when you click balance recommended on control panel
Arc is improving, if you have time I'd love to see the improvements arc has made especially with rhe latest driver updates. I appreciate the WoW testing also. I'd love to see some more heavy fps titles in the loop, stuff like Warhammer Darktide, battlefield etc.
No Linux support for Arc in any distro as of yet. Only supported on Kernel 6 which isn't used by any mainstream distro. If you want to use Arc on Linux you'd have to compile Kernel 6 from source and test with Linux.
thanks and nice but I don't like the cooling. this is like laptop cooling where there is high chance of killing built-in graphics. would have been nice to reuse the cooler from the Arc A770
This what I expected from a mobile variant. A really decent gpu. It can even run very demanding games properly. This might be my next mini desktop as i use Razer Blade 15 as my primary. It definitely comes close in some games to 3070. I am saying this because that is what I have in a laptop. The best example is CP 2077. Its runs better on Arc.
Please test Switch and Wii U emulation. It'd help my decision of whether to cancel my backorder of Arc A770. My main concern is whether emulation on Arc has the same bug/performance issues that integrated Intel graphics has.
What else do you want to see tested on the Serpent Canyon NUC? Looking into Linux Drivers now
DNF DUEL
HOLOISO :D
or SteamOS 3.0 if and when Valve release it to public :
Steam OS plz 😁
More PC game test to be sure if it's stable to buy or not
And please this machine compare to MINISFORUM HX90G
I have this and the drivers keep getting better and better. Performance is surprisingly good.
i once had a nuc (skull canyon, 600 bucks) that i used for 1080p gaming. the poor single fan was always on max speed (being obnoxiously loud) while playing dark souls 3 and failed after a few weeks. how is the noise with this one? are the fans constantly in panic mode while gaming? what resolution do you play on?
I have skull canyon too, use it for batocera. Not great for modern games but retro console it plays everything up to PS2.@@thewildcard600
Arc is possibly the best GPU.
How is it 1 year after
That is a seriously impressive NUC performance. Thanks for the review.
No shit for the price
The price is also impressive, it more impressive the performance.
@@8bitchiptune420 What's the price? Unfortunately the Amazon and eBay links won't show me this pc :( I am in Montreal Canada
@@JavierDiazdeLeon it’s about 2,000 USD on ebay.
I can afford it for 836$, new, is it a good deal?
Or i can get Ethusiast 11 (rtx 2060) for 668$.
Thank you so much for finally giving some results on this mini PC. You're the only reliable TH-camr that takes the time and interest for these Mini PCs. Intel and SimplyNUC ignored their own bullet point of posting Passmark speeds. I'm planning to order this NUC after I run some more tests on my own Zotac Mini PC with a RTX 2080 mobile GPU.
Im glad I found this. Im a trucker and I was thinking of taking my home pc with me on the road. Now I don't have to! I can just buy one of these and not have to worry about it getting damaged.
can't wait for the one million! you've come a long way dude
A770M? Interesting, very interesting. You know, this is a segment where Intel could sell a lot more Alchemist GPUs compared to desktops especially at the right price. Hopefully they go all in on these dGPU nucs.
😬 that never happened
Yup that didnt happen but this NUC is still a beast
Awesome to see three m.2 slots in such a tiny thing! ❤
One of the cool uses of these multiple drives is using one as bootable install media. This makes future reinstalls a very simple process.
@@bruceharrisonjr.2634 Sounds like a waste of an m.2 slot to me. You can use a flash drive for that.
@@191. if you are using that drive to back everything up, it makes a convenient way to have everything in one place. You don't need to use an expensive drive for this.
Wanna see this bigboi on emulation. So stoked. Looking forward to it!
Is it possible that we get Intel Arc in handhelds one day? It'd be really exciting to have another competitor in that space!
I was actually thinking about this, it would be really nice if they designed a chip specifically for handheld with Arc for sure
Meteor Lake will have integrated ARC
I am looking forward to the new RDNA3 APUs as they might get a decent performance (maybe even like an underpowered 3060 or so) with little power consumption
There is a new custom compute group in Intel it seems that aims at providing optimized custom silicon for companies so there may be a chance in future
Later down the line when they have ARC as an Igpu like what AMD did with RDNA2
Well done. Not just doing a feature review but comparing the previous generation as well: Effectively a 33% performance boost from the Nuc 11. Great review.
Emulation testing please. Would love to see how the new video chipset performs given its early drivers and a few weird hiccups in windows and some apps. Thanks for the great video :-)
Reposting this as my comment seems to have been deleted or gone missing. The price i've seen on SimplyNUC's website is 1699, for the base model with 8GB of ram and 256GB of SSD storage. That's abysmal pricing and will make it DoA. Even if that pricing had 64GB of Ram and 2TB of storage included it would still be a ripoff. Spec per spec (32GB/512GB storage) it becomes obsoleted by the base model M1 Max Mac Studio for video editing since it's only 50$ cheaper but lacks 10Gbit ethernet and Apple's Neural Engine which is very important, and it prices itself out of the market for gaming/HTPC purposes. Not looking good.
Man, Arc is really good IF Intel finally gets over the jank of their GPU drivers that's been haunting them ever since Iris Xe, gonna consider them over midrange RTX cards if they build up good rapport with their drivers.
Their janky drivers have been a thing since their very first Iris GPUs. They've been having issues with drivers for at least 8 years now.
Agreed honestly compared to AMD's jank drivers in the past Intel got a better first pass.
to be fair amd was the king of jank drivers for years, hopefully intel can turn it around faster than they did
@@LUCKIPUP I still remember AMD GPUs getting their own sections in the patch notes of games
I think if you want to work with adobe and video editing than you need faster ram and cpu, so you better go with ryzen 9 6900hx or some equivalent desktop cpu and ddr5 ram..
That's a huge power usage on idle, can you test it on balanced or power saving? I'm wondering if it could work as a small server when not used for gaming.
Your contents are on point & ultimately, important.
You deserve more subscribers & views.
Super nice machine, been using mine for 3 days, only issue is sometimes the shutdown takes forever, it stays in like a hibernation mode with power led on and network on but no video, same happens with reboot sometimes not always…
Try removing hdd/ssd sleep timeout
can't wait for handhelds to come with these arc GPUs
Hi,
The Amazon link does not lead to a the product. Just a list .
Can you double check ?
Eran
This the best your money can buy now, all the other mini pc are not a the same level of quality
I'm sure they've improved the graphics over older NUCs. I got turned off on them because I was having so much trouble with no sound over HDMI in games. Intel said it only happened with older titles and wasn't their problem. Some weird resolution switching thing. But, It seemed most of the things I wanted to play fell into that category. Dedicated speakers worked fine but the box fell out of use rather quickly.
Could you do a update on this nuc since they had a few updates ?
I think a really excellent test would be seeing if and how Batocera would perform on this machine, along with its emulators.
Agreed!!!
He would need v36 for Arc graphics
Hello, it's not an optical audio port but a hybrid analog/optical audio jack.
I just got mine yesterday!! love it!! Just started learning Blender and Unreal with it!
I like it, but would mind one built a few inches wider to allow larger slower running fans to keep noise down.
Is this better at gaming than Minisforum NUCXi7? Is QuickSync useful for gaming+streaming/recording with no or little fps loss?
I just got this nuc and running witcher on 4k ultra gives me 30 fps and im not really sure why. Im not even close to 70 fps that is shown in the video, and thats with xess quality on performance
Make sure your graphics drivers, BIOS, chipsets, etc. are all up to date.
Emulation follow up?
Hi, Amazon link is not correct. Doesn't show product.
Finally a good NUC
to edit videos with adobe premiere
Would love to have this such a machine 💪
this one can hid inside cabinet pretty cool, nice perf too
Not on sale through Amazon US right now. eBay is clocking them in at $1800-2000. That's a lot. Especially when you have that 3070 barebones going for $1300 with storage, OS, and ram
Go to the direct website, It's only $1699
@@Dandre181 $1700 for first gen GPU and last gen CPU, is still a bit much. The size is absolutely insane, and I'd love to get it. But I'll wait for it to drop to $1400-1500 with some more reviews out there.
We want to see emulation of course and although I have only seen you do one thing with a VR headset I would like to know how well it performs with VR games like Skyrim, No Man's Sky and Dolphin VR with Mario Kart. Steam VR and Oculus using Link and Virtual Desktop.
I'm always against buying first gen products, but this seems very solid. I hope they come down in price well enough to buy. Looks like a great secondary PC.
Once they fix they're messed up drivers, I'd consider this, also if they make a version that will support ddr5 and Gen 5 nvme
How about some photo and video editing that would be exciting
90'C looks scary hot to me
I wish Meteor lake igpu is souped up with A750M just to make Amd be more proactive..Intel can keep the same 16c24t config like in 12900K while keeping the tile gpu bigger
Current gen i9 already sips 250-300w why not just make it go 350W tdp and begone with dgpu
Something like that connected to a hotel tv can be a nice little travel setup.
So the question is… this or the HX99G
How does this perform in comparison to say the Minisforum hx99g? Which is more capable of 1440p/4k gaming?
emulation?
i'd love to see a head-to-head comparison between this and the hxg90. although the hxg90 isn't like the highest end mobile gpu from amd...
Yes, and especially in creative applications like photoshop and lightroom
Also M1 mac mini. So it would be Apple vs Intel vs Amd
How's the fan noise as compared with the NUC 11 Enthusiast?
Are the 12's fans audible for non-gaming in Quiet settings? Thx!
Pls. test som Premiere pro... .maybe live scrubbing in a 4K timeline in H.264 and H.265?? maybe some puget benchmarks also? videoediting?
Great review Prime, but the Amazon link doesn't take you to this item.
I am impressed by the arc. I was thinking maybe it wouldn't be able to hit 60 fps at high resolutions. But it proved me wrong
Great video!
How does the machine perform with productivity softwares? Like Adobe Photoshop, Premiere Pro (especially video rendering), Blender, etc?
Can we expect a review with this tools?
Thanks!
Second this request for photo/video editing. Please.
Wasnt expecting any benchmarks as they weren't mentioned in the title ! Nice , Thank you 👍👍
I would like to see how these Intel Arc gpus run on Linux.
Are temps not high? 90+c
The Amazon link does not bring you to this specifically.
Does the BIOS have XMP settings?
Hi - Just a side note for Linux @ETA PRIME There is no support for Arc natively in Linux yet, to get it working you'll need to compile Kernel 6 from source and then tell the distro you're using to use that.
I think it also needs a new mesa install
Arch already has kernel 6 in repos and I'm running it right now 😉
As @N Vingesh pointed out, I'm more concerned about the right Mesa version and stuff. Glad that Michael Larabel already tested it and wrote something about it so that I know at least this 🙂
Can this run Switch Emulation at 1080p/60 fps?
I think a big thing missed in this video is the issues that the Arc GPU can run into on older titles. If you play a game that does not have dx12 support, your FPS could potentially crash hard. Not an issue if you playing current gen games, but could be one if your playing older or retro titles.
i wish you should have showed the power gpu pulling since it stated to be 120-150w🙌 but still great video on new arc a770m gpu and i am first time seeing a video of it
Cannot wait for Linux Kernel 6 to be fully utilised by distros
I am planning to buy that NUC myself in a near future and run Linux Mint off it
Thanks a lot for this presentation on Intel's Serpent Canyon. I'm not so much a gamer as I am interested in the creativity side of usage. i.e., 4K video NLE productions, etc.
What I really want to see is where the heck to be able to buy the device in the first place (other than Simply NUC). I want to get a bare bones kit and install my own memory and storage. I don't want to have to be 'forced' to buy aging tech components from a system builder/integrator. If I can not get it before the end of the year, I may have to compromise and opt for ASUS' new PN53 miniPC kit. I might consider Dragon Canyon but then that starts to become building your own PC again, finding a graphics card for the kit which raises the price, and more fundamentally, the overall size increases as well. I currently have Hades Canyon which is due for replacement if/when the solution becomes available.
Lots of barebones ones on ebay but the price is eye watering currently.
@@Withnail1969 Actually I managed to purchase one through NewEgg (they have them) back around mid-November. But TBH, I suddenly became disinterested in it for reasons and restrategizing my needs. I currently have it on auction.
With gpu prices dropping can you do another budget emulation from 200-500 I wanna get into emulation but there’s been no new videos on emulation pcs
At this point, the console market should be paying attention.
i like this thing, power saving mode for my electricity bill
Just curious how well an installation of Proxmox would do with IOMMU pass-through. Not as a heavy-duty VM but as a quick way to open a specific OS and have the environment available for testing.
👍👍👍Hey hey hey... was thinking about using tt as a server - baremetal or VM. Just recently setup a Proxmox pfSense firewall with Six 2.5G ports on a miniPC form-factor.
Just wonder if price make sense...
@@bobwong8268 - I agree, the price would probably push it out of the economical range. I was thinking it would be small enough to be portable so you could take it on a trip without a huge hassle.
@@johncnorris 👍portable is a definite advantage here and real-estate cost & availability is another.😊
About World of Warcraft. The Ardenveld location loads the system the most. It will be right if you conduct the World of Warcraft test in this location.
I recently sold my phantom canyon on a quest for my next pc is it possible to do a side by side comparison on some games with the serpent and phantom 🙏
I would like to see a refresh of the ace AMR5. Really like the design but we could do with a little spec bump since it's stuck on integrated graphics
great video as usual, I'd like to see this NUC running MW2'22
Would we be able to have an emulation benchmark soon ? :-)
Wow, I love this computer!
chromeOSFlex and cloud gaming?
ARC handles DX12 better than anything else, so how about some DX9 and Vulkan tests?
OpenGL and Vulkan are also very good, so linux gaming should be a non issue
As for DX9 titles on linux, if you run them through Proton, DX9 gets translated to Vulkan anyways so there shouldn't be any performance hit
Name of the music of your intro ? ♥ and thank you for your uploads, you are great and deserve this success from our niche community.
Check your event viewer for rapid fire error 3 events from NUC software studio. Intel is refusing to fix this on the NUC 11 enthusiast.
Any plans on testing how this will perform with Plex? Maybe attached to a Nas mainly for transcoding?
i love that chassis
Not so much testing wise, but im wondering if you can disassemble it to the point where the plastic frame is removed (just leaving the hardware and coolers etc) and tell me the height of the unit? Weird request i know but im intending on building it into a specific application. Thanks!
Do more gaming videos about this product & changed the performance in the control panel
Intel graphics to performance by default it’s on balanced changed the PCIE link power management to off for full performance when you click balance recommended on control panel
amazing video need a comparation with Neptune HX90G
I like your reviews.
Arc is improving, if you have time I'd love to see the improvements arc has made especially with rhe latest driver updates. I appreciate the WoW testing also. I'd love to see some more heavy fps titles in the loop, stuff like Warhammer Darktide, battlefield etc.
It would be interesting to see the state of the linux drivers for arc. These mini pc are my ideal Linux boxes.
No Linux support for Arc in any distro as of yet. Only supported on Kernel 6 which isn't used by any mainstream distro. If you want to use Arc on Linux you'd have to compile Kernel 6 from source and test with Linux.
@@SOF006 Manjaro already has the new kernel ready to be installed directly from the GUI
Fedora 37 will be released on the 25th, it uses 6.0
Thanks, always like your content. Any chance for total warhammer 3 benchmarks? Always nice to see some strategy games represented :)
Just wondering what keyboard and keycaps set is that?
DX11 and below still completely borked?
wich mini pcs its the best of the best right now?
Looking at the price of this thing...did Intel not know the HX90G is a thing? Or their own NUC X i7 that looks like it uses their NUC laptop board?
How would the serpent canyon stack up against a PS5 or an Xbox series X? also how would it do with PS2 PS3 and Xbox emulation?
Is it louder than the minis forum nuc x?
thanks and nice but I don't like the cooling. this is like laptop cooling where there is high chance of killing built-in graphics. would have been nice to reuse the cooler from the Arc A770
This what I expected from a mobile variant. A really decent gpu. It can even run very demanding games properly.
This might be my next mini desktop as i use Razer Blade 15 as my primary. It definitely comes close in some games to 3070. I am saying this because that is what I have in a laptop. The best example is CP 2077. Its runs better on Arc.
I'd love to see a comparison to an M1 Mac Mini in photo and video editing!
That would be awesome
can u compare this to regular a770?
cybrepunk looks really blurry for some reason, is it 1440p for sure?
He's probably got the resolution scaling on and forgot to say
so which one is better this one or NUCXI5/NUCXI7
What you say about HX90G against Serpent Canyon NUC?
Minisforum has a bad quality control. I got my hx90g and the main board is dead. how could they ship out a dead machine?
Please test Switch and Wii U emulation. It'd help my decision of whether to cancel my backorder of Arc A770.
My main concern is whether emulation on Arc has the same bug/performance issues that integrated Intel graphics has.
Please, can you make new proofs actually 2024 with new drivers and egpu thunderbolt 4 ?
Got my serpent canyon nuc a week before. Amazing. What is the name of the tool you use to show ingame fps?