Top Ten Reasons Why You Need To Buy A Gen 1 Porsche Panamera Now! | Tech Tactics Live
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IJoin us for the 30th episode of Tech Tactics Live as we dive into what makes the first generation of the Panamera (2010-2016) such a great value. We will have Porsche Goldmeister Tech Peter Smith join us to discuss the pros and cons of Panamera ownership as well as a PCA member who recently his Panamera dream car.
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I have a Gen 1 Panamera Turbo; daily driver with 116k miles…. It still looks and performs like new!
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Air / suspension wear and tear. How much does it cost to service ty
Do you still the Panamera turbo looking to getting one ?
How much is your air filter service? Lol
From my experience Porsche owners take care of their cars better than other high performance cars.
My Panamera Turbo still drives like new even 10 years later. The quality of of products and the care in those cars are very impressive.
The design is also very unique compared to other sedans. Porsche lead the industry in 4 door coupe design. It was controversial at first but aged very well.
Everythings is rigth
We have a 2010 4S with 102,000 miles to date. What happened over the years: high pressure fuel pump failed and dealer replaced, air suspension failed and pump was replaced on my dime, first brake work at 99,xxx and only fronts, rear brakes are still in spec. The cam adjusters were serviced under recall, no issues there. We keep up with maintenance-especially plugs/coil packs (I am told the coil packs are problematic). Oil consumption is within spec but high in my view. Our driving is long distance mainly and in extreme comfort still. Everything you say here about the Gen 1 Panamera is consistent with our experience-best car I have ever touched!
You have the ceramic brakes ? How much did it cost you ? Or regular brakes ?
I also have a 2010 4S and absolutely LOVE it!! What colour is yours? I went with the less conspicuous silver. Less tickets! lol I had a few issues that I inherited from the last owner which I fixed immediately! The cracked windshield could not get fixed fast enough!! And so far, a year and a half later, aside from the coolant over flow cracking recently, which is nothing, ($200 ca) it's been amazing. I loved both my 911's but this car is special and you just don't see many of them on the road which I love! Still, when I step on that gas pedal, hear that engine and feel that power, I can't help but grin. And if one more youtube creator calls our sexy car ugly.....ggrrrrr I have been in LOVE with the body type since it first came out, where is this coming from??? Clearly they are just jealous! lol And it's much much sexier than the Cayenne, especially the older ones which I had and was not a fan. This is my favourite car to date and I've had some nice ones. Take good care!
Excellent video !! My wife and I just bought a 2015 Panamera Turbo S with 32,000 miles. We are very excited about this car. We've never owned a Porsche. This is a very informative video !
Good choice!
Congrats on your new baby!! I've got a 2010 4S that I'm still gushing over like a new mother! This is my 4th Porsche and I could NOT be happier! I toyed with getting the turbo...I'm a power junky but....I don't think I trust myself with more than 400 hp! lol Yours must be an absolute BEAST!! Enjoy your new baby and welcome to the club! Porsche drivers are the absolute coolest!
Just picked up a 2014 GTS and of the many cars I’ve bought without driving them first, I’m by far the most blown away by how awesome it is
Great to hear!
My buddy has a camo wrapped first gen for last 5 years I’ve known Em and he’s the reason I never took the plunge he has a turbo and his active aero is stuck outward ,fussy nav , check engine light he can’t get rid of and he done replaced the window regulators all 4 n still is under the hood everyday which made me say noooooo but they are sweet to me .
At 59:40 _"...it's as wide as a Tahoe...."_
It might be a long, large, wide car. But unlike a Tahoe (or any other oversized S.U.V. or pick up truck of the last twenty or so years) if it smashes into your car in an accident, you won't automatically be killed in the vehicle the Panamera hits.
So, big plus for the safety of other road users. Thank you Panamera owners.
Thinking about getting a 2010 turbo. Has to be turbo
Definitely get the turbo. I initially purchased a 2010 4S but wasn’t quite satisfied with the acceleration and upgraded to a 2013 Turbo.
How is the sound of the turbo? Ist it OK or ist it too quiet? I hope it's not as quiet as a cls 500
@@chuloheisenberg9409 don’t know if they all have this or it’s an option but my turbo has a button to open up the exhaust to make more sound.
They are lying,probably they are hired to tell you those tales. ....all Panameras 2010-2012 are having big issues ....stay away from those year models
@@peterobara6479 what’s the issues you are speaking of. I need to know in the market for the cheapest turbo in the market
Very useful as I am considering a gen 1 Panamera as my next car.
Great to hear!
I would highly recommend it! I've got a 2010 4S. It's an amazing car, very few minor issues, most from past owner. I am in love! And I've had 2 911's but soooo happy to have a car I can drive all year and it handles like a sports car but with a lot more room!!
No, you shouldnt buy it. UNLESS its from a dealship with a warrenty. So many expensive things can break and its going to cost you a small fortune for the smallest parts.
Love my 2011 Panamera V-6.. From Charlotte NC.. Got mine wrapped in Green
Do you recommend purchasing from an individual or dealer?
I got one of the first V-6 and sold them due to unreliability of Engine Control Module.. loved it for driving ,but hated it as was with dealer for repairs,and warranty was running out.
Hello,
So which one is the best one to buy with no air suspension? And best engine and trans. Thx
You guys should consider having a second off-line camera just for posting to TH-cam after the livestream is over.
That way the people who tuned in live get the ‘“live experience” and the people who see it later get a more curated experience.
Watching recorded video where the audio *and* the video resolution are going up and down and in and out is very jarring!
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll look into it.
Any problems with the Panamera v6 diesel.
Why have the BS count down of a minute forcing people to wait or fast forward ??? Why not just start the damn video? 🤷♂️🙄😃
Great episode and thanks for covering the Panamera - I love my 2013 Platinum 2 and I can’t get enough knowledge from porsche experts- mahalo - Sco
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i got a 2013 4 platinum! Love this car
GTS vs. Turbo vs. Turbo S? Pros/Cons? Which one is better overall? Which one sounds better?
GTS sounds best, has the ducting from engine bay so you can hear the engine intake sounds. Just bought one and I freakin love it
Very pleased with my 2010 V8 Panamera S. Purchased with 66k miles and only regular maintenance needed. Better than any, newer Bmw's that I have owned
The maintenance how it’s? It’s more then the bmw ?
I have a V6 4, also 66k miles! Best car I ever had!
I’m really thinking about buying one. I’ve always wanted one.
@@noble78b DO IT!!!! You won't regret it!!! I'm thrilled with my 2010 4S!
Hello, have you serviced/ replaced the air suspension on your S
Why doesn’t the 2014+ panamera 4s (3.0 v6 tt) EA389 have any tuning aftermarket support ?
Wow, those resale prices! $30k for an 11 year old Porsche with 95k miles and no warranty is asking for a walletectomy. As much as I like these, I know brake jobs are $1500 for the front only. $30 grand isn't really an indication of the maintenance required for these.
Ideally you should be able to turn an occasional wrench to make these cars more affordable. Brakes, spark plugs, coils are definitely DIY projects.
No way should it cost that much!
Frankly, I've been disappointed with the dealerships. High prices and "service advisors" that don't know cars and oversell. I've bought OEM brakes, rotors and sensors that my reliable independent German car mechanic will put on. All for less than $500.
Again, it's not cheap like my Toyota 4Runner, but that's a ridiculous price quote.
If I was younger, I'd do it myself.
We have a 2012 Panamera S Hybrid that was a manufacturers buy back vehicle, that was a complete electric motor replacement and the head lights. We purchased it from Brumos Porsche in Jacksonville, FL with 102,370 miles, and the cars is simply magnificent. Not a single blemish on the inside or outside. Black on Black, get excellent gas mileage at 29 to 31MPG. My wife and I just love it.
still good year later?
Absolutely, just an awesome Porsche. Regular maintenance and new tires and brakes. Like a new car. @@sardororipov1302
is that mpg low for the hybrid, I have watched a video with the owner stating he gets low 40mpg....... making it my favourite model I intend to purchase?
best video i seen on a porsche panamera real help make me more comfortable to buy one now . thank you
Glad it helped!
Does the base cayenne have non air suspension? The mercedes s430 also has air suspension and they also have an after market non air suspension kit.
just hit 101k on my 2010 S. Never getting rid of it. things a beast!
Enjoy every mile!
I have a 2011base model V6 with about close to 200k on it. Some small issues I had nothing too big. Have to replace the motor an trans mounts soon along with the wheel bearing to bring the car back to a smother running condition.
Good to know! Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe.
I would go with one of these cars if Porsche would let the PDK get repaired...my local shop says it is a 15-25k bomb that is affecting a lot of cars, not just the panamera. Shame on Porsche. I had a 996tt and that had glue issues (why did they glue things on the panamera again...ug porsche).
So if porsche would help owners fix issues from their design (glue) and open up repairs to the transmissions...sure.
Until then, buying a porsche with a pdk is a silly thing for anyone. They are cheap because they hid huge costs.
Bore scoring.....coolant tube engine out fix (literally called a shop and yep, 2500 for a cheap part...designers need to design things for repairability...). I really want one of these cars but from my point of view they are just too much of a risk. Air suspension - shop said these can be costly at 4k per corner...
Anyway, Porsche needs to open up on the tranny fully. And cover standard dumb design fixes including bore scoring. Finally, they need to sell a standard non air suspension retrofit ... Simpler can be better....
Would yo recommend buying one
You're quoting prices from a shop, you'd probably want to buy one newer with a warranty. No one ever complains about issues that serious. I wouldn't trust a local shop to change my cabin air filter...or a dealer for that matter.
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Every Tech hates this type of complainy whiny customer
2014 Panamera suspension - I recently drove a 2014 model 4 , 80k miles, and the front had a bad knocking over bumps. I see from others posts that these models have a problem with cheap A arm bushings. Has that been a problem on newer ones? The oil consumption v-8 is a shame. These should not leak internally like a Wakisha lubing the valves. Sounds like a design issue too costly to fix so lower the standard. I would still own one but be selective on which model. Good info and thanks for sharing.
I want to thank Porsche for manufacturing this car, unlike cayenne and macan, Panamera is a bona-fide Porsche and its cheaper so it has enabled me to join the Porsche owners club which was my childhood dream.
Welcome!
owning a 2010 panny turbo, black on carbon black. only 11,400 miles so far.
Had a 2010 turbo, only changed the plenum and upgraded the exhaust + ran a tune...car easily kept up eith exotics...sold it and looking to get back into one
Thanks for sharing!
I have a 2013 and the car is still beautiful. Most people think it’s brand new. The only negative thing is it draws too much attention.
Not a bad problem to have!
I got a 2013 4 with 66k miles, Best car I ever had!
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I have been toying with the idea of buying one. This is the kind of information I needed to see and hear. Thanks well done. Boxster S owner from Lavalette WV.
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This was awesome...been considering a panamera for a while. This is very informative. Thanks PCA.
As an owner of one myself, all I can say to anyone pondering... just DO IT! You can get an amazing one for not much money and there is nothing quite like it!! This is my 4th Porsche and so far....I loved them all, except for the Cayenne Turbo...ugh... but this one is truly unique, handles amazing and is an absolute BEAST!
@@Poetessa2 thanks they seem like the affordable go fast. Trying to find a non thrashed V8
@@thereissomecoolstuff There's never any guarantees of course but from what I've researched and having found my own first gen V8 that's in great shape, yours is just waiting for you to find it. Good luck!
I've wanted to take a chance on a panamera for a while now. I've watched tons of videos. I'm leaning torwards a AWD 2015 or newer.
Great choice!
Hello, from Scotland. I have a Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid Gen 2 (2014) the car has been faultless with the exception of the secondary air pump. Do you have an advise on replacing the unit? I can't visually locate it under the bonnet.
Thanks, in advance,
Simon
Did you ever get this sorted out okay?
Thanks to Peter for all the info. Wonder if 2012 vs 2014 Panamera is better… almost 10k difference in price too.
I have a 2011 Panamera S 57k miles. I can’t imagine selling it. It is fast and it floats down the freeway. 400 hp is plenty. Just make sure the recalls have been done along with the thermostat housing. Fantastic car.
@@Survival4theFamily Thank you for the information! I have a cayman and a 944 but having a bigger car would be great.
@@Survival4theFamily Hey on the housing replacement,do that require for the engine to be remove?
@@kennberr3804 the top comes off. It costs around $2,500. There is a bit of labor and new gaskets while they are in there.
@@Survival4theFamilyThanks,For much needed info,before I make my final decision I just want to full understand what I'm getting myself into
I love mine (2011 Turbo) and also love the warranty I bought (12K repairs in a year from suspension failure, electrical issues in the spoiler/tailgate). Amazing car, would not own a Turbo out of warranty (GTS, maybe .. simpler suspension and engine)
Thanks for sharing!
What warranty did you purchase?
@@ameermir4002 Liberty Shield. They’ve been great.
How much was the liberty shield warranty? For your turbo. And how much about was the air suspension replacement service for both fronts or all around ? Thanks
@@torocars9227 I think the warranty was ~7k. Pretty sure the air suspension service was for just the two fronts (without digging up paperwork).
Sooooo stay away GTS?
Change out air suspension to coil overs?
I appreciate this video hugely!
Thank you
On the contrary, we love the GTS. Just keep in mind that down the road the air suspension may have to be replaced, which can be $$$. You could switch over to coilovers, if you don't want to face future air suspension expenses.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica How far down the road? I'm waiting on a 2022 Panamera GTS.
Looking at a 2014 any warnings or call outs?
Wactching from Peru right now...
Thanks for making this informative and helpful video
Glad it was helpful!
Worst video .. skipped too many details after you brought them
Up and sound is terrible and there was a fat sound in minute 23:23
Well I guess I’m a year late but a big hello from the UK. Lived right downtown Burlingame “on the avenue “ 1995 -2000. Miss the Bay Area. “Also owned a 996 I bought from RoadSport In Campbell Ca.
"these motors are pretty indestructible"
Proceeds to describe plastics that last 40k miles and require thousands spent on replacing. Most modern engines will go 150-200k miles, but most cars don't require this amount of parts replacement over and over.
This brainwashing is not working for me
LOL
Arek from Poland first time here. Great topić for me. Good luck
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Very well done gentlemen!
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Great and we need and wish videos in Real Best 4K 60fps HDR resolution clarity quality soon please and Sound in full HD 3D Stereo Surround
2012 panamera turbo s from china,it cost me about 3700000rmb, about 350000usd today，really nice car！
I was excited to watch this video as I love Porsches and the (used) Panamara is within my budget. So you are ostensibly giving us 10 reasons to buy one, but number 5: air suspension replacement which WILL be required doesn't sound like a good reason. Additionally, if it fails, it will leave one stranded.
I still am thinking about purchasing one but at least I am a bit more equipped to make an informed decision once I find out how costly it is.
Thanks for a good video, I learned quite a bit.
Thanks, that was the reason we did this video, help inform folks.
I heard gen 1 panameras are known to failed pdk and front suspension issues that costs aloot. I really would like to have a turbo saw a sub 35k with 134000km
Sorry, I like the facelift versions, rear
Ty for the thorough review, in the market now for one of these, helped with what questions to ask previous owner
Happy hunting!
GTS vs. Turbo vs. Turbo S? Pros/Cons? Which one is better overall? Which one sounds better?
GTS!! Best Sound!!
I am from Saudi Arabia Jeddah I love your videos ❤ keep up the good works.
Thank you so much!
one side of folding mirror not working, any advice? thx
This video helped me determine, I don’t want a G1 Panamera.
Happy to help.
Well this help been thinking and doing some research on the panamera gts . Thanks
Happy to hear that.
Great video. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I don’t know what’s the purpose of this video but definitely not to encourage people to buy the car thank you for the enthusiasm
Just want to make sure people go in "eyes wide open".
Yeah this made no sense at all
In uk we have a 2014 970.2 turbo s at 570ps with 800nm torque with an upgraded air suspension and racing components. With this facelift version did they improve the reliability of the suspension.
Don't tell 'emm.
The price will go up.
Why do you say that? I absolutely love mine, but it just doesn't seem like the kind of car that goes up in value.
I’m thinking about getting a Porsche Panamera
Solid choice. Best of luck!
Great info, ty!
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I just want to add, I had the worst experience at my local Porsche dealer and would NEVER go back!! Unless they replace their head mechanic who is a monster! Worst service in history and overpaid on many things! And that is truly sad.
Sorry to hear. Hopefully there is another dealer you can go to.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica Yes, I found one a bit further away but they sound MUCH nicer!! Thanks and take good care.
Unfortunately ALL main dealers are the same! I had an XKR that Jag insisted all they could do was follow a flow chart, and change part X, if that did not work change part Y, if that did not work change part Z - do they refund you for fitting wrong parts - don't be silly!. I have ZERO faith in any main dealer in the UK.
@@jwilson2453 That's just a thief and or a terrible mechanic! The best mechanics I've found who were actually honest and good at their jobs were NOTat main dealers, ever!! As a woman I find most of them even more slippery than my male friends but I don't take any BS!!
How many kms on average do you see the suspension fail?
I love my 2010 TurboS. Great information! Thank you!
I recently sold my 997.1 Turbo. It was fun and absolutely brutal. I can' t even imagine something newer, let alone an S model. I ended up getting one of the last Cayenne Turbos in 4.8L. It's amazing and drives awesome for an SUV. I'm not going to kid anyone by saying it's like my 911 - it's not. But the tech, the ride and the sound of the V8 is incredible. One of these days I'll grab another 911. If I get my way it will be a 997.2 Turbo S with PDK. For me that was the last real 911 Turbo. The 991 and 992 are just so big. Not sure I could ever be happy...... There is no substitute.
Great to hear!
@@greggagnon6173 992 is amazing!!! so smooth and excellent turning radius
I have a gen1 Panamera s 4.8 love it
Enjoy! Thanks for watching.
Intro too long Thumbs Down
We've cut them down since this video.
Thank you!
Great information
Glad you think so!
All I ever wanted was a Panamera coupe.
so a 911? haha
@@JorgeAlvarez-oy6vr maybe a 911 with 4-more inches of legroom
Where are the best places to shop for a used Panamera?
Porsche Certified Pre Owned program is a good start.
Thanks so much!
Been looking for a while. Looking for a 2013 or 14, many great options, fell in love with a GTS with a real yacht I.P. Dash. Beautiful!
I’ll keep looking.
Is there a chance that a 13 or 14 is still under certified pre owned?
Thanks again.
I'd like to know the answer as well.
Hey Vu, thank you and PCA for this episode. As a 970 owner the information was excellent.
Brady
PCA FLC Region
Glad you enjoyed it!
was planning to sell my pan turbo with 60k kms thanks to you i m not considering that anymore
So is it right to say GTS wins? Is that the best choice?
Our favorite!
@@PorscheClubofAmerica thank you for the advice it’s very important for me right now I am going to buy GTS nearly. The idea standing behind your live is very helpful for Porsche fans I have subscribed your channel with pleasure take care and stay creative Marry Christmas and Happy New Year
I heard it's $25k if the air suspension goes out when you don't have warranty. I was looking for a gen1 until I looked up "reliability" issues on Panamera forums, now I'm re-thinking my choices. On a bit more positive note, they also mentioned 2010 Panameras have the in-house Porsche engines while 2011 and up use Audi engines. Not sure how that translates into reliability though :( Couldn't find enough info.
yes. it's true. get the 2010. they are far more reliable than the audi ones
It's definitely not $25k. The air springs themselves are a bit less than $2k a piece for genuine Porsche. Compressor is priced similarly. If you're looking to save money, get the base model with the 6 cylinder and traditional spring/struts.
@@mixwellusa thank you got the 2012 base model, Panamera only no air shocks etc 😅😅😅
I LOVE this video, I'm a total car geek and have been a proud Porsche owner since 1998 when a bought a 2 year old Carrera 4s which was a total BEAST. I loved the old style, old clutch, it was my pride and joy but it was a job to drive! It was not a smooth drive but who cares!!?? lol I briefly had a 2004 Cayenne turbo for my winter car and......wasn't a fan of the look and it had never- ending issues, spent more time in the garage, so I gave it to hubby and got a Range Rover sport to pull my horse trailer! Then I got a 2005 Carrera 2 which was great, super fast being so light but I missed my 4 wheel drive gunning it around corners like an animal and found my front end very light. I felt like my front tires were coming off the ground coming out 2nd gear!!
So, last year I traded it for my favourite Porsche YET!! My 2010 silver PANAMERA 4S!! I absolutely LOVE it! I am getting used to not driving a manual.... but it's great to have a choice with the paddles! It is gorgeous, I love the big wide sexy body and it's an absolute beast on the road. I think I gave the salesmen a heart attack when I test drove it!!! HAHA I LOVE LOVE LOVE my 400 HP and my V8!! I love how easy it is to handle but it's no granny car, you want to really drive it. And it's super comfortable to drive in that cockpit! It has every bell and whistle. The only thing I found interesting was getting used to driving such a huge vehicle that is the same size as an SUV!!! It doesn't look that wide and long from the outside! I laughed when you compared it to a Tahoe! It is very LONG!! Yet it is still low like a 911. With the visibility in the back window being a tad small and faaaaar away...the sensors and cameras come in handy when parking is tight!
I tend to really drive my cars the way nature intended and push them and this car eats it up and asks for more!! And so far, the only issue I've had is happening right now, the check engine light came on, took it in right away....biting my nails and....and the good news is, it's only a leak in the coolant reservoir, a $200 plastic part. The bad news is, it's out of stock everywhere and has to be ordered from Germany but it's only 2 weeks to wait. What a huge relief!! And this car doesn't garner the same amount of dirty looks and angry men in mini vans lol...being a women driving a red 911, I got way too many cranky men giving me attitude but this one, it's so unassuming....a silver 4 seater....but I still smoke them when the light turns green and they never see me coming! lol I really want to get on track and opener her up this summer!
Thanks for sharing. Get out and drive!
@@PorscheClubofAmerica Yessss!! I am, as soon as Germany sends that part! Very excited!🤣
When did Porsche upgrade the coolant pipe to the screw on type?
It kept failing and leaking.
lost interest 8 seconds in...
Sorry to hear that🥲
Great video- I was shopping for a used panamera but after watching, nahhhhhh. That air suspension is sus
thank you for watching. Hope it was beneficial in your decision.