Two idiots try to string a TINY BOW
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- This tiny recurve bow packs a walloping punch, and IS NOT EASY TO STRING! Good thing we have two GENIUSES on the job!
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Love the video Shad! Those reflex horsebows are very difficult and back breaking to string. My 144lb@28 MR Tiron is also a two man job to string. I recommend the waist cable method to string it (with a non slippery string). Recurve bows typically have a more challenging pull experience than the longbows, assuming the same weight @ 28. They have a higher force draw curve, which translates to more theoretical energy, because when you plot it onto a force draw curve and interpolate the area of the curve, the D - shape longbows give a triangular-like area of interpolation, while these recurves are more curved upwards to give a larger interpolation area from the graph. Excited to see more videos from you.
I watch your videos. How do you string those high poundage horse bows? Do you do those old depictions of archers bending their bows using their knees and having their buddy string it?
@@kenken8765 my highest draw weight is 120 (I can't even draw it beyond 29" yet and my full draw length is 31 lmao) and the kneeling method works very well if you can deadlift 180+ pounds (which most physically active people can, I think)
But there's actually a jig for it too, Koreans came up with one a long time ago (it's pretty much just a small steam bending form and some rope lol)
@@Sk0lzky why not look into a selway limbsaver recurve bow stringer?
I use one to string my 50lb draw re-curve longbow and I think it would work just fine for this kind of bow as well.
@@jackn2236 not designed for this kind of bow with static Narrow tips
@@HistoricalWeapons ah my mistake.
It fills me with joy seeing Shad being able to do stuff that he wasn't able to do before the surgery.
Drawing heavy weight bows like it's nothing, having fun with it, and not requiring the frequent breaks.
Seeing Shad walk around, swing weapons and fire with his bow has been amazing. I'm so happy he's been doing so well these days
I watch his vids from time to time. What was the surgery for?
@@andrewarroyo1789 he wasn't able to breathe properly because of some sort of extra flap he had.
It had a compound effect that not only did he have a hard time breathing during the day, he couldn't get proper sleep, so was extra tired from it.
@@andrewarroyo1789 I think it had to do with his air passages. He suffered from sleep apnea.
Yeah, that human augmentations are badass! :)
Shad: "Boston Bows, what are you trying to do to me?!!!"
Boston Bows: "Grow stronger"
It's like a good pair of leather shoes, it takes some time to use before gaining the desired flexibility in the design.
The customer service equivalent of "git gud."
"Maybe the real bow was the friends we made along the way."
"Screw that, my fingers hurt."
No wonder that’s a barbarians weapon
@ET Hardcorgamer in just saying, one of the barbarian hordes favorite weapons of choice was the recurve bow
High power, but small, convenient bow... hmmm... Anyone else thinking he should revisit the shooting from trees episode?
and also what an adventurer can carry. Since this is a much smaller bow it would be easier to carry and getting similar performance out of it...
@@aronnemcsik if I'm not wrong, Hercules were mentioned to carry a short bow with him in the original legend because of that
@@defalttheloner which legend when he was sent to kill a wildboar or when he was sent to capture the deer of Artemis? don't want to sound nitpicky but there is no "original legend" just the earliest written version. not to be an a*hole or anything just saying
@@aronnemcsik legends would be a better choice of words, but i remember something about the bow against the boar and the bow failing against the Lion of Nemea
As it is a short bow you can carry it in a bow case/quiver instead of in your hand.
Don't worry Shad, I believe 1 in 5 men have performance issues
Lol I understood that reference
hehe
Especially in america
@@crestfallenwarrior5719 *Sealand
Does anybody else like a little worried that they were going to hurt themselves?
No struggle, no progress. Well done 👍🎉
Shad realizing he must've gotten stronger was great xD
I loved the "I worried the bow was getting weaker but actually found that I am getting stronger" bit! A very positive finding for anyone that suspects that Old Age might be making an initial approach.
It's neat to see a popular youtuber showing that the longbow's real life genuine trait was that it was cheap and fast to produce in comparison to a more advanced recurve of laminate design. And thus cheap and faster to produce a high poundage war bow.
And logistics like this is what wins wars. It enabled the English to both train and field lots of experienced archers because the yeoman and conscripts could afford to buy and shoot such a bow for recreation.
Actually quality wood for such high powered bows that had to be made by thousands wasn't so easy to come by in most crucial eras and frequently had to be imported from mediterranean, Spain, or even baltic for quite a price... And when capacities didn't suffice, they outsourced the job completely, for example Venice supplied some 40k yew bows for Henry VIII.
Still much cheaper and faster to make than composite bows of other, predominately nomadic cultures, but nowhere near a simple stick you cut from the nearest tree.
As for recreation... Since there was a law forcing men to train with bows... I'd imagine quite alot of them didn't want to shoot them as much as is often insinuated.
So basicly, you could use the smaller bow, shoot farer, do more damage and be more lightweighted on travels than with your 'regular bow'.
Good to know that smaler bows are in no way 'worse' than large bows.
Cant wait for the announced future dnd videos! :)
Congratulations on your fancy curvy workout stick, Shad! Been looking forward to you getting a shortbow, and can't wait to see you use it after you've been practicing for awhile. Next step: firing it from horseback! (or minionback, as your budget allows)
Shad is just like a little kid getting a new toy.🤣
I am the most famous man on YouTub! This is not bragging! This is the truth! The truth will set you free, dear jefr
@@AxxLAfrikuwe will send unto them only you th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
Well, guns are illegal in Australia
@@AxxLAfriku *GAGAGAGAGAGAGA!*
reminds me of when I get a new video game console, except those obviously don't take a massive amount of strength to use >.> how the heck you can draw a bow with that much strength Shad I will never understand but I do know I'd get nowhere close 🤣😅 that's impressive as heck to me
Hey mate looks like you've lost weight are more energetic and built some more muscle over the last year good on ya bro its not easy to stay happy/healthy in this age of pestilence
Shad is looking good, and he lost some weight by the looks of it, love ya shad.
It's the Hello Fresh
And he isn't out of breath here either. The cardio is strong with this one as well.
That was the first thing that I thought. He had lost alot weight I guess.
Agreed
I think he’s just not wearing his Gambeson
And to think you managed to string your friends along for this... Impressive that they wood help you with it, especially three times in arrow! I bow to you, Shad!
The pun never ends.
You hit the mark there
@@sillypuppy5940 Beautiful 👑
The Pun is strong with this one!
Your puns make me quiver in fear
A long bow is smoother to draw than any other bow type. I know that, because I have a scoliosis and longbows are the best, because the smoother the draw, the gentler it is on the spine.
Did you try a long manchu bow or yumi ?
I agree with you. The recurve was designed for horse back and the ramp up he talks about during training, when you hit that, it is your normal release point. Recurves can be accurate but they are more speed than anything.
Though well made 'horse' bow has much smoother release and much less hand-shock... I know that because i have damaged ligaments in bow-arm wrist...
In my experience my horsebows and recurves draw much smoother than longbows. They may have more preload early in the draw but this is a good thing.
Interesting info. Considering my lower back and neck are pretty much shot that might be much easier on me than some of the recurves I've tried. Thanks you for that, I now have a little more hope of being able to draw more than 40 lbs again.
I really like "Mongolian" style Horse bows for hunting, and this Byzintine one looks really nice
Oh, wow. You guys trying to string that bow brought back memories! When I was a kid I went to Girl Scout camp and we did archery. So, my first year of college I took a class that was half archery and half badminton. I could serve a badminton bird, but I don't think I returned a single one. However, archery was a whole other thing. The instructor told us that "you can't string a bow you can't pull." She had us pull on some 'test' bows she had already strung. She seemed surprised that I, 17 years old, 5 foot tall and 115 pounds, could pull a 35 pound bow. Then we went to select our bows and to string them. This one guy was kind of struggling with his bow, he had obviously never handled one before. The instructor had us putting the tip on the inside of the arch and string it, I showed him the leg through way as you were trying to use. Of course these were longer bows so you could put your leg through and rest the point on the outside of the food. He was still kind of fighting with it, so I said I would show him. He tried to repeat what we had been told. He was trying to string, I think, a 70 pound bow. I handed him my strung bow and proceeded to show him how to do it. Yes, I strung it. I then unstrung it and handed it back to him. Once we were all ready, we took about 5 arrows each and went out to the targets. Several people hit the target that day, I was the only one to make a bullseye. The others called me a "ringer."
Half badminton half archery?
Arminton or badmarchery?
Is that shooting shuttlecocks at targets, or hitting arrows with a racket?
@@benholroyd5221 well, probably a good thing I wasn't trying to hit an arrow with the racket, because I have NO depth perception and I never returned a single shuttlecock. And the next semester when I took tennis, I only hit one ball back and rocketed the thing over the fence and somewhere onto the field next to the courts. (It is a good thing the courts didn't face the army base across the highway or they would have found it decades later on Fort Hood.)
@@ElicBehexan all you need to do is poke one of your opponents eyes out then they won't have depth perception either.
Barchington?
@@benholroyd5221 well, hun, I'm not even sure how many are still alive... it was 50 years ago...
My ex had a 75lb recurve hunting bow. My favorite party trick was to draw it smoothly and then have others try ... I could not get the thing to budge trying to string it XD
Hey Shad, can always try the Hindostan way of stringing the bow, " He lies upon his back on the ground, and grasps the extremities with either hand. then pressing the middle against the soles of his feet, elevated into the air for that purpose, he bends the bow, whilst a companion fixes on the string. " that was taken from the book of archery by George Agar Hansard. its a pretty good read, very informative
I think I will need a visual guide to understand what you mean.
I have been shooting bows for 45 yrs, my max are 50 lb longbows. I am very impressed with the weight you are pulling.
The Parthian shot is a light cavalry hit-and-run tactic made famous by the Parthians, an ancient Iranian people. While performing a real or feigned retreat at full gallop, the horse archers would turn their bodies back to shoot at the pursuing enemy. The maneuver required superb equestrian skills, since the rider's hands were occupied by his composite bow and his body was twisted around.
Shad tries to create a device to measure bow strength, actually just reinvents the ballista.
I hope Shad sees this and comments on it in some way.
Don't tell him he hadn't noticed you fool now he'll weaponize it!
No...
The ballista is a torsion spring machine, not a giant crossbow.
Also, it shoots balls of rock, not bolts.
It could shoot both. But yes, tortion not big bow
I'm sure Shad wouldn't do such a thing, but I really want to see this comment made into a video by someone
Dude I struggle to string my 45lb horse bowl, I'm impressed that you managed to do it.
Hey Shad, just wanted to drop in and say that we have the exact same garden furniture, even though I'm from Germany. It felt immensely important for me to say so, so there you go. Great video by the way!
My boy looking HEALTHY good to see you so well Shad
Shad be looking good man. I know you had been working on your weight even though it never appeared to be that bad but damn you look like you are doing great and that's great to see
freshly made bow bro definitely no judgement. good on you for the rea technique attempt. imma big guy and i dont think i could string that on my own. that looked very painful even if funny hahaha
So how many innuendoes do you want in this episode?
Shad: Yes.
Great Video, i can 100% agree to all of it!
as a horsebow archer myself i cant wait to see you discover all the great things about those bows and wherther your preference might even shift from longbows to horsebows, because they are just pure AWESOME
I LOVE my korean horse bow.
That is the magic of recurved bows like this. The insane science behind how they create their force allows them to be vastly smaller and have smaller draws than a longbow and still easily have the same ranges of poundage.
Also you need to learn the technique for drawing those kind of bows as they are definitely different than a longbow and you could hurt yourself drawing it wrong.
When I went from using a western recurve to the korean bows I had to completely relearn how to draw.
Just two dudes having fun with their wood, nothing wrong here xD
This is a complete aside Shad, but you look like you've lost a bit of weight and seem healthier. Given your previous challenges, well done mate. ❤️
1+Health
He is definitely getting there, between what I am assuming is fairly intense mix of diet and exercise and the surgery he is looking healthier in just about every video.
Oz eats that mass :DD
Nothing but puns and dad jokes about wood.
Friggin love it.
The best kind of jokes haha
Who . . . wood do a thing like that?
@@Blondie42 gorsh
Well I'm not going to lie. This is another one of shads "interesting" video topics
which one?
The wit made this feel like a Schola Gladiatora video
I felt the same shin and ankle pain stringing my lovely wooden recurve bow. Much less draw weight than your one though.
The extra curves are what add the extra draw weight, first you bend the bigger limbs, and once they start maxing out you start bending the smaller ones, so the draw weight increases rapidly once you start bending those smaller curves. Absolutely genius design, can never underestimate the intelligence of medieval craftsmen.
I've only barely dipped my toes in physics, but I'd guess it has something to do with storing potential (kinetic) energy in the multiple curves using tension instead of the single one of a longbow.
Not at all correct. The smaller ones, called siyahs, are ridgid, they do not bend, they act as a lever. In this case the levers are in use from the start of the draw, so this bow doesn't have the two stage draw of contact siyah bows, where the string is touching the knee of the siyah, so its bending the limbs first without lever assistance and after the levers start to point backwards, they start to assist more and more, resulting in rapid increase of draw weight at the early draw, that evens out for the end to increase slowly in the end because the full length of siyah leverage is in use.
Siyahs main purpose is to increase draw length, these bows are originally made from sinew, wood and horn, and most horns are not long enough to give the bow enough draw length, so they make the bow longer with the siyahs, witch are only wood, some cases strengthent with horn plates on the sides. Wood is also lighter than horn, so making wooden siyahs instead of limbs for the whole length saves moving mass and thus increasing the performance of the bow. Earliest composite bows didn't have wooden siyahs, like egyptian, assyrian etc. bows, but bows with siyahs replaced those older designs.
Siyah also increases the draw length, not only by making the bow longer, but also by altering the string angle, so that the bow reaches the 90° string angle, where the bow stacks and doesn't want to bend more, later.
Later invention of contact siyahs, gave the siyahs the ability to have the two stage draw, I already explained. This design made to extreme (manchu bow) gives the bow the most amount of stored energy of all traditional bows, and thus can send heavier arrows flying the speed of other bows lighter arrows, making the kinetic energy and momentum higher than from any other traditional bow type of same draw weight.
Thanks for sharing !
Looking forward to see more videos for this new bow!
By the way if I am not mistaken thumb draw is usually used for this kind of bow due to the size being smaller and the string will actually squeeze on your fingers when you draw it. Hope this info helps, cheers!
It's nice to see karma still has a sense of humor. Shad watches his mates get hurt and laughs. A few videos later karma pays shad back and his mates get to laugh at him. Shad and his mates are the karma meme. Thanks for the entertainment Shad and friends.
That's a cool little tester with the winch. With that you should measure your bows inch-by-inch from zero, then you could plot the full draw curve for them. Length of pull is more important than a lot of people know, not just because the weight increases with distance but also because energy is force _times_ distance, so a 200lb crossbow with a tiny length of pull might not be more powerful than a bow with less draw weight but a greater length of pull.
You got this Shad, by this time next year you'll be shooting that bow like Legolas and laughing at the thought that you struggled with it!
Thank you for making another video about pulling on stiff wood.
The puns just write themselves eh shad
Dungeons&Dragons: "Shortbows are Simple Weapons, easier to use with less range and lower damage than longbows."
Reality: [This video]
Always hated this un DnD. I have a few asiatic short bows that are a b!+ch to string.
I'd say this is a composite Shortbow, with a higher than average strength requirement
@@jamesm783 - exactly, this is what D&D refers to when they say composite shortbow. Composite longbows are probably 25% longer, but still far shorter than an English longbow and get a helluva lot of power in the package.
This isn't just a composite bow (in period often a mix of one or more types of wood and bone or horn laminated together) it is also a recurve. This shape like the cams on a compound bow makes that difference in how hard it is to draw the further it is pulled back and how easy it is to hold and aim once full draw is reached.
D&D artwork, descriptions and stats are often incorrect, especially in the simplified 5e.
A simply single wood straight bow is a simple weapon, but the D&D longbow might be as well, it's a hunting bow not a warbow.
This why I'm going to the trouble of making my own weapons tables.
D&D like every other game and movie go by the modern standard bigger is always better. But that just isn't true. Not in the case of bow performance. Bows power comes from 3 different things, witch are first stored energy, meaning the draw weight, not only the max draw weight, but a draw weight per each inch of draw makes a draw curve, witch shows the stored energy way more accurately than just the draw weight at max draw length. Second draw length, the more time for the arrow has to accelerate, the faster it is. And third the bows efficiency, meaning how much of the stored energy is actually transfered to the arrow, and that is effected by the moving mass. The stored energy has to move all the moving mass, including the mass of the bow limbs, the string and the arrow.
Bigger bow means more mass, more mass means more of the bows stored energy is used to move the bow it self, so less energy is used to move the arrow. Longer limb also means more bendier, so for the same draw weight longer limb also has to be more thicker. So extra mass not only from the length, but from the thickness also. String weight also affects on the speed, and longer the string is, the heavier it is.
How ever shorter bows stacks earlier than longer ones, that is caused by the string angle reaching 60 (where the draw weight starts to increase more per inch of draw than earlier, meaning the stacking starts and 90 degrees sooner, witch is the point where the string no longer bends the limbs, but tries to pull them backwards, where the stacking is so high, the bow doesn't wanna be drawn any further.. Luckily with design that string angle can be changed, so by recurving the bow, the shorter bow can be drawn longer than without recurves, and this short bows draw length can match longer bows draw length, or even exceed it. This shads little bow doesn't have enough recurve to match shads longbows draw lengths, it would have to be either longer or have more aggressive recurves in order to do so. This little bow just isn't made for as long draw length, but it doesn't mean than any same size bow couldn't do more. The 60 degree start of the stacking can come earlier than in longbows, meaning that the stored energy is less in the stacking bow than in the longbow that doesn't stack, that evens out little bit of the advantage of the lighter moving mass design of the shorter bow, but even still the shorter bow many times can out perform the longbow, and it will outperform it, if the both bows are equally well made, but higher quality longbow can outperform lower quality short recurve bow.
Bowyers skill has huge impact on the bows efficiency, the bowyer needs to know how much material is enough to handle the stress, but also how much is too much to have too much mass. Both over stressing and too much mass lowers the bows efficiency. And ofcourse if its way too little bit of material, the bow will break, and if too much the mass will slow it down and cause hand shock.
Wait, the bowyer is from Serbia AND works in Belgrade?
I guess I now know where to buy my next bow! I was worried I'd have to order it from abroad and pay a crap ton of shipping fees, but now I know I can go and get it with a car ride!
Ah, that pinched finger got me remembering the magnet video... Fun times! Almost killed me at the time though! 😆
even though this isnt your normal content, im thoroughly enjoying this! i hope to see more vids like this in the future of just you unboxing and nerding out over cool historical weapons and such
Welcome to horsebows Shad! Once I discovered them, I never looked back! Looks almost like Atillas work. Its a nice toy!
Hey Shad I was just watching some of your old Conan Exiles videos and I decided to hop on the game for a bit and it turns out they've released a new a DLC called the people of the dragon. In the DLC they FINALLY introduced a true medieval build set within the limits of the game. The aesthetics of the buildings look very Anglo-Saxon with there being a good mix of wood and stone and they've also gave it new roof caps that have far more of a peak so it looks like a proper tower roof for 1x1 towers. And also I believe they added machicolations of some sort. Would love to see you check it out and hear your thoughts on it.
That awesome Shad!
(Whisper: “Team Oz”)
It’s not about the size of the bow, it’s how you use it. AKA, a harder poundage. A good, hard poundage can make up for lack of size - of the bow, of course
Can't wait to watch you play with the different types of hard wood you have, even if some of them are difficult to perform with, I'm sure you can get a tight grasp on things. I'm very curious as to how far the short wood can shoot. I'm sure you won't blow it. This looks like a fun ride.
It feels wrong not seeing Shad in his brigandine
We're in the wrong timeline
Right ? I'm so used to seeing him in it.
He's basically naked
I thought he just suddenly lost a lot of weight.
Or suit.
His casual peasant clothes is causing me distress.
Title: Two idiots + Description: Two Genius = Two Normal dudes
It's inspiring that Shad wrote a novel yet still calls himself an idiot lowkey saying if he did it anyone could too xD
anyone can write a novel
@Bard_Bols but you need a knowledge, experience and intelligent to write a well written one.
I love watching Shad play with his stiff, hard wood.
Holy moly. I was looking forward to a bow like this! Especially since it's made by a countryman of mine!
Congratulations! Enjoy your weapons.
Love on how he catches himself multiple times about to rant and saves it for another vid
shad you have nothing to worry about you have just gotten stronger. if you look back at your older videos, you were much less in shape, and far heavier of a guy back when i subscribed back before the shadlands, before your book, i think even back all the way to when you told us about the tiger snake you killed.
This is my favorite kind of bow. Mostly because it was first invented in the Eurasian Steppe, and that's where I live, but it's also extremely practical and can be used on horseback. It's also very easy to transport and could be shot by women(that is why real Amazons came from Scythia).
Still takes plenty of strength to draw, so not that women friendly, unless she's quite strong.
@@ineshvaladolenc6559 they did make less poundage composite bows
Some one needs to make a meme of your face at 18:30-32 capped “This IS my happy face!”
Two guys, one bow
It's like a reverse compound bow. Relatively light at first, but gets really heavy at the end.
My experience stringing bows like that is that you put the middle on you knee and lean back while sitting on the ground and grabbing the ends. Kind of like rowing. Then someone else then can string it for you. Still a two person job but pretty easy. But then again never tried it with such a high poundage one. But I have to do it that way for my Mongolian bow of the same shape.
Intuitively, for me as a layman it seems like it should be easier to pull the bow in the direction that it is meant to bend. It isn't meant to overextend forward.
If this is a 120 lb bow, they may have been pushing it up 140 or 150 lb in the opposite direction.
There are multiple ways of stringing heavy bows like this one. Like the one you mentioned. I'm surprised Shad didn't invest 5 minutes in looking it up on TH-cam.
That sounds like a lot of pain if it slips from your knee up :D
@@texasbeast239 They did actually string it in the direction it was intended to bend. Recurves *LOOK* like they're intended to be used the opposite way when unstrung, but they get a lot of their power from that forward curve being pulled against. It's pretty much the whole point of their design. Stringing and using them in the opposite direction isn't good for them, though yes, they will be a fair bit weaker that way as well.
@@orciencor6001 This
That morning wood is indeed super strong. The unparalleled power of hydraulics!
"Yeah but flat so people don't have to look at it sideways"
* on my computer not realizing I had tilted my head a full 90 to look at the numbers
Oh yeah, the man makes good points haha
It's handy the Mr Bows went into business making bows.
So this is what the fantasy super archers with tiny bows are using when they fire through enemies!
After a long day, this video was exactly what I needed! Now I will have to string my bow for some target practice! Keep up the great work!
Is Shad going to start training horse archery?
Can't wait for horse unboxing video.
This is not the first time I've heard a uterus referred to as a box but it is the first time I've heard such language used to describe parts of a horse
But can you train a horse to not shy away when he shouts "Machicolations!"?
Shad; "I cannot wield this!" ...Every viking in the room; "Grow stronger."
Couldn't resist.
On a more serious note, I assume that the bows are over-strong because they will relax/age into their designed draw weight over time. So it is compensatory to lengthen the life of the bow. I have heard that there is a different draw technique as well that might be worth trying (if it is even valid); instead of pulling the draw back, start with the bow close in, string at draw position. Step forward while pushing the bow out, keeping the string where it should be when readied to loose.. Mechanically, it lets you push out from your center mass instead of trying to pull something in from outside of center mass.
Whenever my friends and I do something it can best be described as __ idiots try to do ____
Use a limb saver...its a string with a pouch on one end and a loop on the other. Stand on your limb saver string pull the center of the bow until you notch the bow string...
I was waiting for this! Finally Shad gets his hands on a proper recurve bow, exactly so he could see you don't need a 2 meter stick to make a 100 pound draw weight war bow.
And now Shad, remember, those can be shot... from horseback.
And about the D&D reference... even D&D had the "composite bow" (at least in 3.x) which was essentially a historical recurve (they were called composite because they weren't made from only wood, but also included leather and parts made out of goat or cow horn) and allowed to add some of the Strength modifier (I think they went up to 3) to damage without being magical.
Composite long and shortbows are in 2e as well, and are our (1e/2e players) go-to bows due to both strength modifiers for high strength, and far more power in tiny packages for rogues :D
Actually cow horn isn't good for bows, it delaminates. Hungarian grey cattle can be used, but it isn't the best. Best horn for bows is water buffalo horn. Also whale baleen was used, at least by koreans, and maybe others also, but water buffalo was still the most wanted even by the koreans.
I want Shad to train until his arms can bend a bow of bronze. And I want the video.
See this is where it is so great: recall that vid you made about how much payload in equipment and weapons an adventurer could carry? There was a section about longbow being too cumbersome to carry together with the rest of stuff but also mention of shortbows and a sheath for them to carry on person. this sexy little beast can be far easiercarried on a side sheath without being too cumbersome and weighting a lot less too and still being powerful AF when you need it (provided of course you carry it strung).Obviously such a shotbow was thepreference of cavalry archers andit it actualy reminiscent ofthe mongolian onesthough not lookingas composite as them with the horn parts
Composite bows were carried strung, they can be strung months in a time, and only loosing about 10% of the draw weight, witch has been tested multiple times. The bows were so strong that they were still strong enough even after losing that 10% of the draw weight. And that draw weight can be restored to them after wards. Witch isn't the case with wooden bows, witch is why wooden bows needed to be carried unstrung and only just before battle strung. That gives composite bows extra advantage in ambushes, when the longbows would still be unstrung when the fighting starts, but composite bow is strung and quickly accessable in its holster.
While you’re at it, there is some incredible information about “steel bows circa 600 BC“ I loved your video on the sword of Laban. I would be happy to share some of the research I have done on Israeli “steel bows“
Shad, you are just the guy to explore the physics of bows. For reference, may I recommend “the traditional Bowyers Bible“ books 1 through four.
I think you’ll find the relationship between limb speed and arrow velocity and momentum to be very interesting.
Shad. Could we classify your Mary Rose bow. As one of thoughs special issue Longbows for special Archers?
Also that Despot thing. Looking forward to you shooting that thing. And maybe have a match up with all 3 against each other. That be fun I reckon.
It's Mary Rose bow, and yes, it was Henry VIII's flag ship, so the archers would have been the best of the best, so their bows were also the best. That's why there is bows up to 200 pounds draw weight, that wasn't the norm, it was just the elite, and even quite rare in the elite. Most of the mary rose bows are around 150 pounds.
Because of Mary Rose bows, many believe that english longbows were always made out of yew, but that's not true. The amount of yew was running low, because of longbow mass production, so there was a rule that bowyers had to make 2 bows from other woods for every yew bow they made. That means that 2 thirds of all bows were other woods and the other woods were elm, ash and oak, maybe some others, but mainly those 3.
@@jkre interesting... ty for sharing your knowledge! 😃
@@szurmatpl my pleasure
@@jkre Ah. Thanks for the spelling mistake.
I was semi-aware of the 200 pounder bows, previous mentioned by Shad in his other videos. But thanks for the exact info.
@@calumdeighton happens to me also more than i care to admit
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With the equipment you have, if you put notches at every inch starting at like 12, you actually could just chart out the draw/pound curve. Graphs!
GOOD POINT! What about the Graphs! GRAPHS SHAD!
Yes, and I'd be interested to see if it's close to the ideal spring i.e. linear
I'd recommend marks over notches, marker or bright fabric paint meant for movement. Wouldn't want to damage the bow itself.
Damn I developed a passion for graphs at physics labs (in highschool and 1st year uni) I did so many graphs and so much data analysis....
Science requires documentation, if you're not writing anything down it's just goofing off.
I don't want you to get hurt Shad but I found this to be very funny.
Gratz on your Lvl Up!
This is the best episode of "Pat and Mat" in a long time.
Being able to draw a bow that's 117 pounds is really good, I think you could definitely get to the point where you can draw the 150 pound bow with some practice!
Love these guys. They remind me of "me" lol
SHAD! Dear God please make him stop and look up how to safely string a high poundage Asi... STOP! Oh geez nononono. * lays head on desk and waits for the pain to stop.*
Ok so I agree that it is a European medieval bow BUT don't forget it has it's roots in Asia and the Middle East. The same can be said with the bows from medieval Poland. I would still lump your new bow an Asiatic style bow for ease of classifying. Love the archery vids! Keep 'em coming.
Nope, its a European bow. Sorry. By far the oldest bows ever found are from Europe, meaning all bows have European roots as far as we can tell. Does this make all bows European?
@@dgriswold93 I already said it was, Just like Hungarian or Polish bows were made by and used in Europeans. That doesn't mean the other part of my statement is invalid. We have classifications to describe bows. Bows that tended to come out of Asia all have similar characteristics. Curvy, reflexed, with nonbending stadic tips. Also if you look at the region of the Byzantine Empire is located it is easy to deduce where its lineage came from. It would make since to still call it an Asiatic style bow.
@@bigernbladesmith Of course bows of similar materials and design come out of Asia. That does not make this an asiatic bow. It isn’t. It’s 100% European. Horn bow or composite bow is perhaps a more appropriate classification.
@@dgriswold93 And where did horn bows/wood, horn, and sinew laminated bows originate?
@@bigernbladesmith That is quite hard to say. Somewhere in Eurasia is likely. My initial point is simply that the location in which they were invented is irrelevant. Unless the bow comes from Asia, it isn’t an asiatic bow. People used long straight limbed mulberry self bows in northern China for many thousands of years. Would you call those European bows because Europe is the likely place of the invention of the selfbow?
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Loved the video you seem to have a lot of fun
Don't mess your shoulder up, that thing is a different animal from a longbow. You're contorting yourself in weird ways trying to draw to 28". Pound per pound the shorter the bow the harder it's going to be to draw with all that string pinch, especially since you're describing it stacking up around 27". You're used to drawing to the ear with longbows at 32", it's really only the longbow guys who ever seem to draw that far. You're way over bowed and a bad injury can happen all at once with no warning that it's even coming, then you're out of action for an untold amount of time, often a long time.
All that out of the way, recurves are usually going to shooter harder pound per pound, it stores the energy more efficiently. You probably only need a 75# to equal your longbow. I can tell you my 75#@28" Martin Hunter shoots a 700 grain arrow at 170-175 fps with b-50 string (drawn to 28"), I'd wager that's probably comparable energy if not even exceeding your longbow. I've read plenty of accounts of horsebows often being very fast bows, surprising even the regular recurve guys. So that horsebow might be a little monster when you work yourself up to shooting it well. There's a reason warbow archers get so much credit for their insane draw weights, it's likely because they were making up where their gear was lacking. Longbows are still amazing, little change since the stone ages, very timeless.
Actually in comparison to asiatic archery, longbows 32" draw is on the shorter end. This bysantine bow maxes out in that 28" (27 from the belly) of draw length, because of its design, it's at 28" already a string angle of 90°, and after that point the string just pulls the limbs back, instead of bending them and the bow stacks.
And about that draw length, 32-33" is very common in most asian countries, some draw less like 28-30" like turkish bows, and some draw longer like 36" for manchu bows and from tall guys in japanese yumis even up to 40". These long draws are possible with thumb draw, that naturally gives 2" more draw length than finger draw, just because thumb is closer to the palm of the hand, and in addition the wrist position is more natural so it is easier to draw longer just because of that.
I can give my self as an example. I'm 162cm or 5'4" i believe for americans. So pretty hobbit. My modern draw to the corner of my mouth is 25,5" from the back of the bow, like it is officially measured. My medieval english style draw is just shy of 29", my comfortable thumb draw is 30", my max thumb draw is 32" and with manchu thumb ring that's design gives extra inch, is 33". So even a hobbit like me can draw (instead of 25,5") 33" easily, bit uncomfortable, but still easily. Armin hirmer of malta archery has were nice youtube archery channel, possibly the very best one, in terms of asiatic archery (modern mostly, some real composites also, but very few, and very cheap and crappy ones). He about average in hight, and he can draw full 36" manchu draw.
Recurve is also release when you hit the ramp up, where the long bow has the ramp early on
@@an3582 instead of being upset that someone knows more about something than you do, you could take the opportunity to learn. He spent his time writing that when he didn't have to.
Just a tip, if you are right handed, hook one end over you left shin and with the grip behind your right leg so you can use your stronger arm to bend the bow and string it with your left.
I haven't seen the video yet, but I expect Shad to put on a cupid costume.
I deeply regret imaging him in a cupid costume.
my brain hates my eyes for reading that and it hates itself for thinking about it
Halloween costume idea for Shad!
that's a $600+ bow! Gorgeous. Been actually looking for one like this thx Shad!
It takes a strong man to handle such a hard bow, I'm happy to see you play with it like that and overall have fun with that little thing
Composite and recurved bows are by far my favorites
Oh my god that shirt is so cool! Actually seeing someone wear it is a great advertisement! Might just have to buy one now hahaha
1 stand up.
2 place one end of bow on left foot.
3 put right leg through the centre of the bow between shaft and string(string in front of you) and use your right thigh to push the handle out while pushing/pulling the top end down.
4 string bow.
5 stand up straight and bring leg out of bow.
Just leaving a comment to boost the algorithm. I love short bows and can't wait to see more Shad!
Great video, Lord Shad! I’m going to dedicate my first fantasy novel to you.