Why Was Ripley Lost in Space for 57 Years? Out of the Shadows - Explained
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- Ripley awoke to find decades lost from her life while in hyperleep. Why was she off course for so long? This video explores an explanation found within Tim Lebbon's novel Alien: Out of the Shadows.
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You know, I always assumed that Ripley drifted in space for 57 years because she used the engines of her ship to burn up the Alien in the original movie. With out proper course correction, a single instance of acceleration would send Ripley's vessel adrift in such away that she would just fly right past her intended stop.
Good point
I awalys thought some of the xenomorphs blood got inside or it was just damaged when she opened the airlock. They said they found no evidence of the creature she described, but they could have been lying.
It was capable of travelling for several parsecs of space. That quick blip of the engines wouldn't have made much difference. It had a navigation system and should have easily been able to correct its course. Her drifting is just bad writing imo.
@@nodak81 No not true at all. In fact, at such a massive distance even a 0.0001s burn at 1% power could put her billions of kilometers off course. Of course it would probably be just as easy to correct for the burn, assuming the ship could still steer.
@@tonyking7714 u
Actually, the ship failed to make that left turn at Albuquerque.
Frieza intercepted the ship
And wound up in Hoboken. Ripley then said, "Hoboken! OOOOHHHH I'm dying"
Welcome to Pismo Beach!
@Brian....Is that a quote from a Bugs Bunny flick?
@@jeffreyjeziorski341 Yup. It is a common thread from Bugs Bunny cartoon(s).
The explanation from "Aliens" was always sufficient to me. Space is big and the Narcissus is too small to show up on long range scans. Even if a rescue mission was launched, they were looking in the wrong place, as they would search along the original official course. Ash secretly re-routed the Nostromo to LV-426 as per Special Order 937. Without knowledge of this deviation, nobody knew where the Nostromo was headed and neither wreckage nor survivors were ever found. Understandibly, the people behind 937 kept it a secret, avoiding any liability for the loss of ship, crew and cargo. Ripley surely did program the Narcissus' computer with a correct course, but after decades of floating in space the navigation systems simply might have ceased to operate. They were probably not designed to function over that long period of time. This, however, can also be said about Ripley's hibernation chamber. It's a mystery to me, how she could be alive after 57 years in that pod.
In the novel of Aliens, it's said the freezers can work for a maximum of 65 years.
The problem with the plot development of ASH uploading himself into MU/TH/UR is that if he had done that from the beginning , the could have shutdown the Nostromo's life-support systems and carried out the Company's orders right away.
Yeah this book was one massive plot hole. Seriously why set a story in between Alien and Aliens while Ripley was supposed to be asleep for 57 years. To keep it remotely canon, Ripley would have to forget about everything that happened during this magical time awake. So unbelievably stupid.
@@Lawrence_Talbot they did wipe her memory in the end as a PTSD treatment
The directive was “crew expendable” not “eliminate the crew”
He needed their help to contain the creature, and would have not rushed to killing all of them if he felt they were useful
Because its common sense guys. If sailors on earth can get lost for 5 months in the Pacific Ocean then in space it will be even more difficult to locate one of these life saving shuttles.
I know, right. Don't get why people are skeptical of being lost in space. In space you're dealing with 3 dimensions, not just 2 - as in the case of sailors on the ocean.
@Viscous Shear that's right, and even with all our fancy tech we still have a lot of difficulty finding people on the ocean and even on land.
"Space is big. REALLY BIG." -The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
"... His eternal power having been clearly seen, being perceived through what has been made so they are without excuse."
If you have galaxy traversing technology a simple gps ping shouldn’t be that hard
Ash, fucking things up in the name of science both before and after his death.
I blame the corporation that programmed Ash. Ash is just a product of his creator. And while I don't believe any single person in the corporation wakes up each day intending to do evil, their prime directive to maximize shareholder profits results in making everything else, including morality, secondary.
It's much simpler an explanation that she was simply blasted off course by the detonation of the Nostromo and due to her systems being offline to save power, was simply drifting on a ballistic course. Doesn't need any villainy for her to be the most unlucky woman in the universe.
Yeah, but a distress beacon would use virtually no power at all (for a ship with a 9 GigaWatt fusion reactor) and she should have been broadcasting it the whole time. Not to mention that it wouldn't have been "blasted off course". The shuttle was capable of FTL travel and landing on planets, it could handle a simple course correction.
@@nodak81 How do you know it was capable of any of those things? They both seem extremely unlikely for a life shuttle (landing on planets *maybe*, but FTL travel on a life shuttle?). Also if it was capable of FTL travel why not just FTL travel back to earth?
For me it's just a fun fiction. They should stop recycling the same characters over and over again. Alien: Isolation's story was just okay with Amanda in lead, but novels like Labyrinth were much better in my opinion. New characters, new locations and situations. The universe is huge it can't be just about Ripley and LV426
I agree, I love Alien Isolation to death but I would have preferred if 1: The alien infestation originated from the alien that was blasted out of the Narcissus, rather than a bunch of explorers going down into the derelict for the umpteenth time, and 2: If the main character wasn't related to Ripley. It's just too implausible for both mother and daughter to experience such similar events.
wedgeGTX yes. It can.
@James Millership i 100%agree but who would play arnold?
@James Millership I always thought a moofie about the future war by james cameron is what i had always hoped for as a kid in the 90s. It could be set in the time of when the T-600 with rubber skin is the standard issue before the new T-800(arnie) shows up as kyle states the T800 was a new design with living tissue.
Alien isolation had a decent story and to be honest it feels like the kind of sequel people probably expected after the first movie.
She said she needed some luck in being detected when she left her final report at the end of alien. It was never explained in aliens why she was out there for 57 years, because it didn't need to be explained. This is a non-theory. Because it's just following what Ripley had already stated in the original movie, that she knew she wasn't automatically going to be found.
Never made any sense to me that in Alien, Parker and Lambert were gathering "coolant" cylinders for their trip in the shuttle. Yet Ripley ends up leaving without any extra coolant at all and the ship sustains her for 57 years. So....what was the coolant for again? The slushie machine? lol
Absolutely, who wants to go on a tiny shuttle in the vastness of space without any sweets, HEHE! I always thought it was so the hibernation machine could handle more people, that needed to hibernate. It was only designed for one person, not three.
For the strawberry milkshake ! 🥤
Based on the ending of Alien 3, I always assumed that Ripley was deliberately left to wander aimlessly in the Narcissus by the Company as a sort of punishment. They probably always knew where she were because hey, the Narcissus is surely a "substantial dollar value investment" and might have carried traces of the alien. As Bishop says in Alien 3, everything on the Sulaco was logged and sent to the Network, so there's nothing saying that the same wasn't true for the Nostromo. Of course, the randomness of her being lost and accidentally found is also an option.
Given that Wayland-yutani didn't know that Ripley got rid of the xenomorph and all traces of it, they would have wasted no time to rescue the Narcissus if they had the chance. Getting the specimen and info on it was of great importance to them.
Sounds too much like fan fiction. More reasonable that Ripley was just adrift for a really long time.
Well, you're right: Burke put it this way, " 57 years. That's right you've been out there for 57 years. What happened was that you drifted right through the core systems. And it was blind luck that a deep space salvage team had picked you up..." That's what really happened as far as the plot goes.
@@luthermcgee432 That was in a dream sequence tho...
@@alexscott730 , got it.
57 years was in a dream sequence too. Maybe it was just a couple of years, bit she landed in a different section near earth?
Ryan Marquez
I mean sure, but hearing the audio drama with Rutger Hauer it didn’t feel like fan fiction, it might as well have been Alien 2.
you love xenos, I love xenos
Everybody loves Xenos (some of us)
Ha, ha, ha, ha... You know? When you say "I love xenos" it sounds funny since in Spanish the name for "boob" is "seno", which sounds just like "xeno". And when you write "I love xenos" it sounds like "I love boobs". That being said, so do I! 😄
Heretic
Hunting them?
@@alphacrusaders6535 all Xenos must be purged. For the Imperium.
Is this canon? It doesn't seem to line up with the dialogue and events of Aliens. It seemed to me Ripley had been asleep the entire 57 years. I could definitely see Ash attempting to do this, but also in the films we've never seen a Synthetic transfer its mind to a computer
i believe part of the book hints that the guy tried to erase her memory of these events because of the mental toll it had on her
Yeah, I can't tell if this was meant to be canon or just a story. If its continuity can be addressed in a future video, that'd be great.
Tim Lebbon's novel is officially in line with continuity.
Out of the Shadows is canon.
Allegedly, it's canonical - but as the 'Colonial Marines' debacle proved, that's a very malleable concept and liable to reversal at any time.
There are things in the novel trilogy which simply don't match up with what was shown in the films and, honestly, they're not exactly greatly written.
I listened to the novel on Audible. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great stuff.
Legends say that the great Alien Theory hunts predators with nothing but a sharp stick.😆
can't confirm or deny this
And sonic electronic ball breakers.
theres actually a dark horse comic with a primitive alien who has to survive an alien being brought its planet by crashed human vessel .. I think they did one episode and left it... if not can someone let me know what series it is? cheers! Poor alien just had a spear!! hahaha
I heard he can kill one with a single thought,that's powerful!
+Paul Alexander That was a one-shot story simply titled "Alien". It's pretty good. Those interested in reading it can find it in the Aliens Omnibus Volume 5.
"Ash uploaded his conciousness into the NOstromo computer....and the Narcissus shuttle."
No. No. This is basically saying Androids in Alien are omniscient but somehow choose to act completely pedestrian, even when their lives are in danger. If the Nostromo was compatible with and capable of absorbing ash's conciousness and allowing him to run it's operations undetected, why the hell, would Ash need to be aboard as a physical being? Why couldn't he shut down the auto-destruct, why couldn't he compartmentalize the Alien and vent the crew quarters to space? Why did he have to divulge anything to the crew when he was reconnected? If he was operating on WY special order 937, why not contact the company directly with the lifeboat's position after the evacuation?
Why did he try to Kill Ripley with a magazine, why did he try to choke parker? These decisions impelled Ripley to blow up the ship-how could they have possibly fit into Ash's plan going forward? Why would Ash need Ripley? Ash knew more about the Alien and it's origins than anyone else? Why would he keep alive the one person most inclined to fight further attempts to acquire one?
See, if the androids are omniscient or capable of evading death this way, all of the motivation for their actions goes out the window.
If David showed anything it's that the Androids weren't infallible and emotionless-they had fears, they acted out of desperation, they had neuroses, they were mortal, their thinking was distorted and fucked up because they were the product of distorted priorities and fucked up values. Ash, died in impotent rage and his last words were pathetic because his cause and quest were empty: fullfillment of ambition without entanglements. He disdained human bonds and attachments and yet was completely sexually frustrated by his inability to secure them.
Besides, Neither Ash nor the Nostromo could plausibly be part of this plan. The Nostromo was a Lockmart CM-88 and Ash was a Hyperdyne Systems 120/A2-niether of these were Weyland Yutani designs and Nostromo was old and in disrepair. It'd be like installing Call of Duty on an gas pump.
That leaves two possibliities, all ships have this AI transfer integration-which the crew would know about or ASH's personality was a meaningless adjunct layer to his true nature as a starship control system which would make his involvement in this backstory pointless. You could execute the same story by saying the MU/TH/UR 6000 computer system did all that. It was in on the plot to contain the Alien, it deliberately withheld information from the crew. Ash wasn't needed as a computer resource unless he provided a function it could not emulate.
Ash was an air-gap interface system, designed to work with humans and machines.
The second part of the story is also problematic, because Ripley wakes up from hypersleep exactly the person she was when she went into hypersleep. She shows signs of initial trauma, she recalls only events aboard the Nostromo. If she'd been woken in the interum and was made to deal with an Alien infestation again, she'd have evolved coping mechanisms, personality changes and insights on the creatures which is exactly what happened in Aliens and subsequent movies.
This is a couch job and an even less reputable one than Colonial Marines.
You put it better than I could.
nailed it 👍
Except Ripley did have her memories erased at the end of the book. You goofed a bit.
And Ash himself notes without a physical body his actions are limited.
Maybe synthetics can only operate on one system at a time?
Sacrificing the Nostromo to trap Ripley with the Alien in the shuttle is more advantageous. Ripley cannot go guns blazing in her only escape plan. Without a body to affect these events, Ash can only hope for the proper outcome.
@Ferrus Manus Primarch of the Iron Hands
_"Except Ripley did have her memories erased at the end of the book. You goofed a bit."_
"It All REALLY Happened, But the Character's Mind Was Erased So It Doesn't Violate Canon"
Thank you for further proving that this is some of the shittiest writing to ever be conducted and this shit-tier book should be ignored.
I think they said in the director's commentary that they picked 57 years because the number "fifty-seven" just sounded cooler. They knew they wanted her to have been gone a long time for the story and 57 just sounded cool.
Thanks for the audible recommendation! I just got it and I love the story and sound effects, it seriously feels like it deserves a spot in the franchise
I want to see an "Alien: Out of the Shadows" and "Alien: Sea of Sorrows" movie
Or better yet, as a game in the vein of Alien Isolation.
The 3 audio dramatisations by Audible are SO good, They wouldn’t even need to write a script as it’s basically done.
Isolation movie or phalanx tv series.
@@madnatty have you listened to the Alien 3 audio drama? It's very different to the film. Lance Henriksen and Michael Biehn reprise their roles as Bishop and Hicks.
Interesting. Nostromo was diverted by the company to investigate a signal and bring back lifeform, priority one and then a few days later it exploded. You'd think the company would have sent another ship to the area to investigate. You'd expect the lifeboat to be sending out some sort of distress or tracking signal.
I suppose it was done for the sake of the story, more than for realism.
You make great videos. Please keep it up.
Narration, background music, layout and pacing.... all great.
You’re videos are so good! I am a fan of the Alien franchise and your content is so incredibly addictive to browse through
+James C thank you so much I'm glad you're enjoying! :)
'Why was Ripley lost in space for 57 years'
Ripleys phone ran out of data so her GPS wouldn't work
Brendan Stanley Her ship had T-Mobile data.....soooooo.......
BRUH
Boah
not one dislike on this comment XD
When she fired the engines to kill the Xenomorph it blew the Narssisus off coarse
I really enjoy your videos please make more
duane farnsworth same here.
duane farnsworth I concur :-)
Since I am a big Aliens franchise fan I decided to check out the audiobook through Audible. I enjoyed everything about it from the action packed sound quality to the character voice overs. It does a great job to continue the Aliens storyline, other good audiobooks to follow up are Aliens “River of Pain” & “Sea of Sorrows”👍🏾🤓
I just assumed that because Ripley failed to get the cooling that Lambert and Parker gathered in the last part of Alien and then she did something to the Alien on the shuttle by blowing all the pressure on it to get it out in the open before blowing the air lock she had used up something necessary to keep the ship on course. That is why she drifted so long.
I quite like the theory that OotS is a hypersleep nightmare. When you've been through an event that leaves a negative impact on you, you have dreams that create an amalgam of it and other images in your memories.
It was an amazing audiobook. I've listened to many here on TH-cam but book of shadows is my favorite
The whole Ash ghost-in-the-machine narrative seems to have been lifted, call Sal from a number of old Larry Niven books (fir example: The Smoke Ring 1987) with Kendy in the same position as Ash. Kendy’s consciousness has been transferred into the computer, and he continues to pursue his primary mission, manipulating events from the background.
I'd love to read/listen to this! It sounds like a great piece of the puzzle!
Your vids, knowledge and narration are TOP NOTCH ! Voice print is COMPLETE PROFESSIONALISM ! You seem as if YOU'RE a previous employee of Weyland Corporation, doing a tell all and exposing them for what they are/were. That's how knowledgeable you are. And with that, please continue to enlighten us ALL ! You're the MAN ! ! ! :-)
+cirethgr8 you've made my day, thank you so much! :D
“Star Beast” was the original name of “Alien”, thank goodness they changed the name.
I enjoyed the audio drama a lot more than I expected. Of course it's "shoehorned" in between ALIEN and ALIENS, but it's very well made and enjoyable.
My gripes are:
1. Rutger Hauer does a fantastic job, but I think that getting a hold of Ian Holme would have made this an 11/10 production.
2. The idea of the surviving crew using the Narcissus to escape the Marion, even though it was established towards the end of ALIEN that the shuttle couldn't handle more than three crew.
Still a very enjoyable story and performance.
From the ending of 'ALIEN: Covenant' I take it that David has transferred his being/program into the body of Walter. In 'Out of the Shadows' it is explained how Ash transferred his being/program into the Narcissus.
I suspect, in the long term, that it will be revealed that David eventually inhabits Ash in ALIEN. It ties some pretty little details together nicely.
Here's something to consider:
In stasis , does one still dream?
And if so, consider Ripley and all she encountered-what kept her from going mad?
Remember her nightmare of being infected after her retrieval in the clinic, this thought struck me when viewing Alien recently and how peaceful she looked in the shuttle.
Only to be thrown into the horror again, how many of us would be mentally stable?
One last note : credit for Dan O Bannon for his oringal idea and story line and of course..HR Giger
the dark genius behind the creature and of it's universe.
Such a great video, it really shows that you put a lot of time and effort into videos. Many thanks and here's to the next one!
Just listened to out of the shadows. And I agree top notch production. Thank you for your hard work and keeping the horror alive :)
I was a consumer of the OG Dark Horse comics, had the Jaguar for the AVP game. I have a tattoo of The Spell by Giger on my arm. I started purchasing and reading the Alien novels because of this channel and I am currently reading this one. Thank you for informing me there was so much Alien literature/novels out there. Isolation was the weakest so far in the timeline.
I really enjoyed this audio book. The voice acting, script and sound effects were brilliantly executed and I sincerely hope we get more quality work like this again.
I did have one major complaint and sadly it's against the late Rutger Hauer's portrayal of Ash. Didn't like it one bit and it was cringy. I know others like the author of this video loved his portrayal.
yeah i dont care for this theory.
The life boat just wasn't meant to be out there for so long, so it just lost power to actively keep it going on any specific course.
I reckon the power was left to keep power to the freezer.
Or, like, whatever. You know?
I always sort of assumed the shuttle was too small and didn't have any kind of FTL drive. Nor did it have enough fuel to maintain a course, basically it blew most of its fuel when it launched and it was just drifting from then on. More of an escape pod than a shuttle. Probably had a reactor for electrical power.
@Jimmy De'Souza Well, not exactly. Space may be a (near) vacuum, but there are more concerns to plotting a course through space than just: Point there and accelerate. You may not need fuel to maintain your speed, but as soon as you have to correct your course and have no fuel left to do so you're fubar. This is what actually may have happened. The gravitational pull of one bigger Asteroid or Planetesimal crossing the path / coming near the Narcissus may actually have altered its course enough to miss the targetted sector entirely. And maybe Ripley was blowing away the last fuel reserves when she roasted the Xeno outside. Or at least there was not enough left for the autopilot to correct / maintain the course in case of an interfering astronomical object.
@Jimmy De'Souza Sorry mate to dissapoint you on that. ;) While that may apply to most oft the regular and bigger objects, there are billions of trillions of rogue objects that may have not been charted simply for the fact they never appeared before - because of their vast trajectories. Heck, we probably don't even know a fraction of all our irregular AOs in our own solar system and the near vicinity, despite monitoring it for decades. Turned out space isn't that empty at all, but indeed quite busy with objects flung out of their system and roaming around. Absolutely possible (albeit not very likely) to come near one when travelling long distances through space. And given the enormous distances in space, even quite small objects may alter your course enough to give you a new trajectory. Having a small object on a near parallel course for some time should do the trick. Both, the ship and the AO, would alter their course by just a tiny bit.
Heck, even coronar outbursts of a nearby star you're passing could accomplish that. And even going off your course by 0,001% may have you ending up lightyears from where you wanted to go. Cf: Asteroid impact avoidance -> Asteroid gravity tractor.
@@donarktos6400 except if you launch from space in such a small craft the amount of fuel you would need to correct your course and maintain your speed would basically be nothing. Literally a short burst to account for any unforseen objects, which would be astronomically unlikely to be encountered in unpopulated sectors of space, would be enough to maintain course. We do this daily with space stations we have in orbit. We have to refuel semi regularly but seeing as the nostromo has to tow a large mining rig several light years away from earth it it reasonable to assume that the fuel it uses is way more efficient than the fuel imployed now. This means they need less of it not only because it was engineered in space but because it creates more thrust and less heat as a byproduct meaning more energy is transferred into pushing the ship. This means that the life boat could probably steer itself indefinitely as long as it has something intelligent enough to steer it indefinitely, aka an onboard ai. I just don't see fuel being the crippling factor in the Narcissus, especially because it was built with suvivability in mind.
From what is presented in this video, the referenced novel seems a fanciful divergence. If the first two films are taken to be canon, then an interruption of Ripley's drift 'through the Core systems' makes no sense in light of Ripley's reaction to learning from Burke that she has been gone for 57 years.
As I told you before on facebook, I absolutely love your voice when reading parts of a novel. I was unaware about where exactly the timeline had been for this book, having just bought it recently. But now I'm more into wanting to liseen to the audio! I didn't know there was a good cast for it!
I wasn't blown away by out of the shadows when I read it, the book would of been better if she wasn't included in the story at all. However I did like the interactions of Ripley and Ash throughout the novel, but I did find it overall a little bad fan ficcy. Best Alien book I've read so far had to be phalanx, fantastic book.
Your voice has that hopeless humanity will destroy itself feel totally works with this series 👍great vids
Good stuff bro! Very enjoyable presentation.
If you actually listened to the end of the audio the mechanic put Ripley in the med pod cause she got injured by a xeno in the mines and not only did he program pod to repair her but also to wipe her memory of this certain event that happened here in out of the shadows, thus her having no recollection of the event when she was on gate way station. Also another great audio is RIVER OF PAIN. Tales what happened on lv426 at Hadleys Hope.
That explanation just makes this story even more idiotic. Selective mind wiping by a mining mechanic, gtfo!!!!!!!
Well the mind mechanic didn’t do it, the medical office suggested it, but ash had already infiltrated every system on the ship and decided to let the wipe go ahead. Ash then rigged the mws pod to rip apart the medical office when she tried to repair herself. Ash made it impossible for hooper to leave with Ripley by forcing him to release the shuttle manually, he gets away in the drop ship but he knows he has little to no chance of surviving. Ash is wiped from all the systems except the main ship which burns up in the atmosphere anyway. I have listened to the audio drama about 10 times plus the other two in the series which I highly rate.
IMO.... River of Pain was a way better novel than Out of the Shadows (but also liked Sea of Sorrows). Of course any story about Xenos get my blood pumping.... I’m such a nerd... but a proud one.
Which makes this story all the more stupid. Author need an ex machina to conveniently make his story canon without violating the lore established by the movies. Oh good news, here’s this magic machine to fully heal Ripley head to toe of all broken bones, burns, and giant gaping wounds, and bonus points it’s a literal mind wipe. Come on, that’s just lazy writing.
Should’ve done the story without Ripley. Being trapped in mines/an ancient alien city with xenos was very cool and terrifying. The dog aliens and their unique ship/.tech also very cool and very nice break from throwing in Predators or the Engineers. Keep the same characters minus Ripley and it still could’ve been great.
I only discovered this audio book exists because of your channel, I've listened to it twice now, good stuff, thanks.
I gave "Out of the Shadow" and the other two audio dramas by Audible a listen and I liked all three of them. really well done and really great stories.
Part 3 even had a decendant of Ellen Ripley as the protagonist, who *SPOILERS* is an empath, so he can feel the Xenomorph's thoughts, as is the Ripley clone in the fourth movie
You guys effin ROCK!!!!! Please, keep doing what you do.I had no idea audio books existed on the Alien Franchise until you. I love you guys!!!!
Nice videos man! Keep it going!
I'm choosing to not consider this story as canon. I've never read the books, but from what's been explained in the video and the comments I've read, it just doesn't match up with the beginning of Aliens. Ignoring the inconsistencies of the single cryotube (book) and dual-cryotube (movies), and the harpoon still being in the hatch in Aliens, and I can even accept that Ash had wiped Ripley's memory as the reason why she didn't remember these events in the beginning of Aliens. What ruins it is that apparently Ripley realized Ash was the reason that she drifted off-course and was in cryosleep for 37 years, and with that knowledge in her head, WHY would she get back into the same cryosleep tube, controlled by the same homicidal A.I., that had caused her to sleep for 37 years? Ignoring the fact that it would be lonely and boring as fuck just sitting on the ship by herself, realistically Ripley would be extremely hesitant about getting back into the cryotube and giving Ash the opportunity to get her killed yet again, or wipe her memory in this case. Ripley getting back in the cryotube even though she know's Ash controls it ruins the Ripley character and make's her look stupid. If there's an explanation in the book on why she got back into the cryotube, I'm sure someone will enlighten me.
Update: So I read a comment explaining that Ripley had been injured by the Xenomorph, and had been put into the cryotube to heal, and a mechanic decided to wipe Ripley's memory. This brings up new questions. Why would this mechanic decide to wipe her memory? Unless he had ties to WY. Ignoring that it was some fantastic aiming to wipe the one memory that ruins the connection between this story and Aliens, everything just seems too... "convenient".
In addition, if one is undergoing a medical procedure they are generally in the anatomical position- legs and arms straight, head erect, arms at sides palms up. Ripley is shown during her rescue scene in Aliens in the exact same position she is just before the credits roll in Alien- lying on her side, hand on her chest- not the anatomical position. There's no reason they would place her in the cryotube in that position.
None of the events after Alien have happened. Every book, every movie, every idea about what takes place after Alien has been individual dreams that Ripley has had as she drifts along in the shuttle forever. Never having been found.
That's it.
I'm not really into audio books, and I read "Out of the Shadows" a long time ago, but now that you tell me that Rutger Hauer performed in this... I'll buy it week after next when I can afford it! Thanks for telling me about this!
I think Cameron put Ripley out there for 57 years was one it was an interesting story arc and two so he could up the weapons and the tech of ridley Scott's universe.
I think it basically lays the foundation of the relationship between Ripley and Newt. Ripley loses her daughter through drifting past her daughters life, Newt loses her parents to the monsters.
Ripley needs a daughter, Newt needs a mother.
The moment when the two are reunited right after Ripley has defeated the Queen, Newt throws herself at Ripley wrapping her arms around her crying "Mommy!" is very moving.
It is all clever writing.
Sadly this story starting and ending the film is destroyed by 1986 editing.
@@mortenBP yes I forgot to mention that. Good point.
I wasnt aware that this was something that needed explanation. Clearly the shuttle craft she entered did not have an FTL drive, so she was out adrift hoping that someone would happen by. As Burk states in Aliens, its blind luck that ANYONE found her at all. Getting lost in deep space isnt like going off the side of the highway on a lonely stretch of road. Its about a trillion times more remote.
I also doubt that shuttle had the comm hardware needed to get a timely distress call out to the network
LV-426 is roughly 39 ly away from earth. thats a lot of space. and the nostromo secretly changed course to investigate. No wonder the shuttle got lost.
I found it interesting that the Wayland corporation had really good record keeping. For 57 years Ripley was drifting in cryo sleep . Then she gets picked up and is then standing in front of the Wayland board of directors they show the crew of the Notromo’s pictures. A lot of those people wouldn’t have been born yet.
Still the entire lose of a ship like the *Nostromo* is gigantic profit lose, and a mystery that needs to be answered. If in 1968 the Captain of the USS *Cyclops* landed in a life boat at Norfolk naval base, you'd better blieve heads would role, extreme circumstances or not over the lose if such a large ship
why not? over a hundred year and we still know who the majority of people were on the Titanic. few pictures, but that was back in the day.
James Cameron kind of screwed up on that scene. The CEO or the guy at the head of the table tells Ripley that the Nostromo costs $44 million dollars! Maybe money did a reverse split of 1000 to 1. The Nostromo was this gigantic ship and it would have cost tens of billions of dollars. Her paycheck for 57 years plus interest would have been $44 million. $44 million will not buy an F-18. Maybe an A-10.
@Frank L Good point...but in that scene does he actually say Dollars??...edit Yes he does say Dollars...my mistake. Still 42 million dollars for massive starship does seem a bargain lol
Out of The Shadows was excellent. Expectations were low initially as I was worried about them bridging the gaps between 2 of the greatest movies ever made. Lebbon completed that task with precision and the care that he took over the franchise was noticeable and appreciated. Especially the tension filled scenes such as them trying to empty the Samson for use. This book tells an amazing story and is 100% canon. Would love to see this as a movie.
For me, I really dont care for books that try to tie into the film. At the end of the day, the universe is huge. A small shuttle like the Narcissus would be considered "space junk" . If you're a true Alien fan you know what I'm saying.
These are so informative and I really enjoy all of these, keep up the great work.
Out of the Shadows is an excellent story. I return to the dramatization as often as I re-watch Aliens. The very least. And there aren't very many movies I re-watch. Or books that I re-read. The rest of the dramatizations are also nice!
Try River of Pain as well it’s the story of what happened directly before Aliens on Acheron/Hadley’s Hope
The problem is this doesn't gel well with Alpha Canon (at least to me). Ripley was found and the Company quickly tried to pin the costly loss of the Nostromo (57 years late or not) on her and her crew's incompetance. When it was implied that all the Company knew was they investigated an alien distress beacon and only the Ash was aware of the Xenomorph and its value (by virtue of extrapolating Company Protocols)...that behavior made sense. It was a textbook case of a megacorp shitting on the little guy to square their books away.
THIS implies the company was ENTIRELY in the loop for decades and had direct knowledge of the xenomorph from reports by the time Ripley was properly unearthed 57 years after the original Nostromo incident. They would know she was telling the truth; that they'd need to do way more than just demote and humiliate her to make the situation go away. Additionally this makes their handling of the Hadley's Hope situation infinitely more stupid.
I listened to Out of The Shadows on audible and enjoyed it immensely.
Out of the Shadows is No. 2 on my list of favorite Alien books. Sea of Sorrow is my No.1
I really enjoyed your review. I wish you'd cover more of the books and comics in the future. Another option could be the scenarios in the tabletop rpg by Free League (adventures by Andrew Gaska--same author in the backs of nobels such as ALIEN: Enemy of My Enemy).
Thanks again!
I always assumed that Ripley was intentionally left adrift in space by Weyland Yutani as a kind of "Fuck you" and it was only dumb luck that she was picked up by a salvage team. At that point the company were like "Fuck it - let's see what she has to say for herself."
Mother didn't want to wake up Ripley as she felt Ripley might torch her too
Read this book about a year ago and was pleasantly surprised...do u plan on reviewing the 2 other books that follow in this "series"? Alien: River of Pain & Alien: Sea of Sorrows. I would love those from this channel!
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i always thought or figured ash had preplanned ripley’s course as a fail safe in the event she survives and uses the shuttle to escape...that guy was so greasy but 57 years was low...im glad ripley got her revenge...sadly in 3 she got paid back
Damn here I thought Ash was completely out of the story and dead. Ash is to Ripley, as Sephiroth to Cloud, as Joker to Batman. It’ll be a never ending battle I can’t wait to see more.
It's called "Space," there's lots of it.
I've been listening to out of the shadows and the other ones, and I was honestly shocked Ripley WASN'T voiced my Sigourney Weaver. I was so convinced that really WAS og Ripley, so I was dumbfounded after hearing someone else's name. Even if you actively try to say its not Weaver playing her iconic role, it just sounds so damn identical
Seriously? This needs to be answered? I'll save you 8 minutes. Because space is very, very, very, very, very, vast.
I actually got this story as a free audiobook on Audible and didn't listen to it for a long time afterwards due to 1. I have alot of audiobooks, 2. Not a huge Alien fan (Thx Prometheus and AvP) and 3. I forgot I had it. Been listening to it and yeah it's a great listen (almost wish I'd read the book, I'm weird like that). Character performance are excellent and the story is engaging. A definite must read/listen if your an Alien fan....
I'm glad I haven't seen this story before. I love Ripley but her shoehorning into so many aspects of the Alien universe really shrinks the universe down and limits its scope. Movies 1-3 is all I need of Ripley in the Alien universe. We didn't need to make her another Skywalker (another even more limited universe) through clunky retconning. I assume your video explains why all that alien evidence wasn't in her company report in Aliens but I couldn't get through it all, I like Ripley too much to keep torturing her beyond the three good movies.
I never knew there was another novel. Let alone an audio drama based on Out of the Shadows. Eager to find it and give a listen.
There should be an alternate universe where Ripleys ship was intercepted by a Yautja Star Cruiser and taken to Yautja Prime.
shut up
See, in Aliens, isn't Ripley suprised that she has gone for 57 years
She had her memory wiped by a med pod
@@DMS_Knighted_Drifter well no. Whilst asleep in stasis she had no conscious knowledge of passing of time , so from Ripleys perspective, it would have felt like only 8 hours had passed. But because she knew we she was in a hyper sleep she would be guessing a few months at most , so was surprised she drifted passed the quarantine zone and was picked up by a deep space salvage team. I guess the quarantine zone is just outside our solar system so she had drifted through that, possibly past Pluto and out the other side of our solar system , away from our solar system. The small shuttle most likely shut down all other systems including navigation systems, to just keep the cryo chamber functional.
The thing is we dont know how far away lv426 and its solar system is away from our own solar system. So it's all quite plausible
@@adamduffield7782 that would be incredibly valid if this book wasn't apart of the main cannon. Also forgot to tell Dan that in the director's cut of Aliens Ripley was not only surprised but every pissed about how long she had been gone
@@DMS_Knighted_Drifter and who says it's part of the main cannon? I only take the movies a main cannon , everything else is fan fiction
@@adamduffield7782 um James Cameron , some rando at Fox and even our very own Alien Theorist to name a few. Also id be careful calling some of those movies main cannon
Edit: swaped an if for an id
I have read all the comics, read all the books, watched all the movies. The production was great, and in the spirit of the franchise. No wonder fox wants this dead.
Enjoy your videos keep them coming. The dramatized audiobooks of Out of the Shadows, River of Pain and Sea of Sorrows are absolutely stunning additions to the Alien universe. I've thoroughly enjoyed multiple listen throughs.
These would have made much better films to have added instead of the Prometheus timeline. It sticks to the story that started with Alien and ties everything in nicely.
I highly recommend them.
Alien's Universe is richer because of great stories like Alien Out Of Shadows. Hope this would become a movie as well. It would be fantastic! What r they waiting 4?
This completely screws up the shock that Ripley experiences when learning its been 57 years and then getting herself stuck on the thought that she didn't make it home for the 11th birthday. She would already know these things had she woken earlier for any reason and not being home in time would not be a shock or sticking point for her. Nice story, needs to stay away from canon.
I have listened to it and thought it was terrific!
This would partly explain Ripley's nightmare about the alien trying to burst out of her with Jonesy the cat hissing out of fright because of it in Aliens.
From where did you get all this info and clios i want to watch them too. I'm really admire your passion with which you follow the movie and explain every detail. A lot of thinks i understand because of your clips, thank you for that. I wish you all the best and keep up the work.
I’ve listened to Out of the Shadows and River of Pain (which is even better), and they are so top notch. These are the type of prequels that should be movies rather than what Scott is dishing out.
I absolutely love your content.
I just finished the book today and I thought it was great. I really enjoyed the characters and I liked the idea of Ash coming back in a different form.
Would love to hear more of these style audiobooks.
New sub here, your channel is great 👍
Oh sweet! Out of the Shadows has been uploaded (with Ash’s AI:)) to TH-cam…a 10hr audiobook!
I always thought it was due to Ripley roasting the Xenomorph with the shuttles engines.
I think this all is over-complication. Truth is that Space is BIG. Nostromo strayed a lot from "known path" to reach Alien planetoid and shuttle was launched, again, from poorly explored and rarely visited area to frontier. This shuttle isnt big, and probably doesnt have much of resources to actively broadcast its presence and location constantly, its need power for life support anyway. And no "superlight" engines too. So, no surprise here...
If ash “became” mother how would he allow the self destruct to work? Would of been a cool add in if his voice was played as she was going through the halls at the end though....it would be like ash funneled the alien to the shuttle as mother....or maybe he did?
It was actually on TH-cam for quite a while, but it's no longer here and nor are the other audio books surrounding the alien sagas. Do you know why they were removed?
I really enjoyed Out of the Shadows. It's worth a listen.
From what I remember the only time they said 57 years was when Burke told her in a dream.
Was there other evidence that she had actually been adrift for that long. I haven’t seen the movie in a long time.
No. Just the chestburster coming out was the dream.
@@willk4862 I thought it was during her conversation with Burke in the hospital bed. He tells her she’s been out there for 57 years, Ripley kind of zones out, the cat hisses and runs, he tries to give her a glass of water and she knocks it away and it breaks. I think it all slow motion. The code response team comes in. She says “please kill me” they hold her down and we see the alien start to burst out, she wakes up screaming. Then she calls Burke and agrees to go on the mission.
Not to study, not to bring back, but to wipe them out”
Buy again I haven’t seen it in a really long time. I’m waiting for a rerelease in theatres that may never come.
I listened to the audiobooks. They were Great!
as a kid i listened to radio play/drama once in a while. nothing but nothing beats imagination