What a great event! Both communities need to understand each other more and be more involved in the processes to encourage leaders towards the solution and contribute as a society on both sides. Please continue what you are doing!
ΕΞΑΙΡΕΤΙΚΗ πρωτοβουλία. Τραγικότατο το γεγονός οτι έπρεπε να περάσουν 7 χρονια που το Γκρανς Μοντανα, τζιαι εχρειαζετουν ενας Φιδείας για να κατσουν τουτοι οι 2 οι ανθρωποι να μιλησουν μαζι δημοσια.
Συμφωνώ απόλυτα. Μας εκπλήσσει ο Φειδίας με την απλότητά και την αμεσότητά του, κατάφερε μόνος του - χωρίς τις πλάτες κανενός - αυτά που δεν έκαναν τα κόμματα (για τις δύο κοινότητες) όλα αυτά τα χρόνια.
It was a really nice movement from Fidias! This guy shows the way for all communities in our country that we can all live peaceful together again and work hard all together for prosperity!
Οι συνομιλιτές να δηλώσουν ότι είναι έτοιμοι εδώ και τώρα να επαναρχίσουν τις συνομιλίες και ότι θεωρούν το Γκρανς Μοντάνα ως ένα σταθμό και όχι το τέρμα των συνομιλιών.
The parties should declare that they are ready here and now to resume talks and that they consider Grands Montana as a stop and not the end of the talks.
Amazing conversation. Ofcourse technical issues and organizing it could be much better. I really understand a lot of things regarding the Cypriot issue. I'm also pleased with the Turkish-Cypriot negotiator and i hope we will have more of this conversations to solve the Cypriot issue. Cyprus Reunited!
A bi-communal, bi-zonal federation solution must include bi-communal, bi-zonal conversation in public. For decades we were lost in the procedure of translation. Never before, anyone dared to establish a public bi-communal conversation on Cyprus issue. Fidias u are the best, you showing the way! Keep going! Superinteresting thank you❤ P.s. please, next Q n A try to keep one woman , one man order
Mr Nami is right we have to know what we want and be honest ,you cannot be nagotiating forever . Its not certain there will be another chance anyway. There are political and economic interests that want the status quo , also the church is financing the no federal solution , i dont know what solution they want , also our education system, that is controled a lot by the church, is not prepairing us for federal solution but the oposite. Anastasiades knew that even if he reached an agreement he wouldnt be able to pass it in the referedum ,he is not stupid , he wanted to be reelected that was his priority , even Christofias of AkEL when he was in goverment he said no to Anan plan .
I am a Turkish speaking Cypriot and it breaks my heart each time when I meet a Greek speaking Cypriot for the first time they have really hard time to understand that I am Cypriot too.. most of them think all the people in the north came from Turkey in 1974. They are always surprised when I say my family used to live in the south before the war.. so maybe you are right, maybe that’s the education system..
Συγχαρητήρια στον κύπριο ευρωβουλευτή Φειδία Παναγιώτου και σε όλους τους συντελεστές του βίντεο. Ελπίζω οι επόμενοι συνομιλιτές να θέσουν το βίντεο ως αντικείμενο συζήτησης, πρότυπο και μέρος της Λύσης που θα προταθεί.
Congratulations to the Cypriot MEP Phidias Panayiotou and to all the contributors to the video. I hope that the next speakers will make the video a subject of discussion, a model and part of the Solution that will be proposed.
I would like to join one of your events and talk 🗣️ What i am struggling while i cross the to southern part of the Cyprus as a turkish speaking Cypriot. Turkish cypriot guy he just a content creator on instagram. not a liberal socialist person to about our future of the cyprus. We need proper laws to bring others to under the republic of cyprus to able to make peace. Trust building steps are the best. One nation , one army , one flag and one land !
The Golden Order was considered pivotal in addressing both mathematical and spiritual challenges. True democracy extends beyond the act of voting; it necessitates a structured order and active participation from individuals. Filotimo (a Greek concept often translated as honor, duty, or respect) is seen as foundational to this order.
I like Nami, but why is the recommendation to recognize the TRNC in case of a failure. Why not be the returning to a unitary state and immediate withdrawal of Turkish troops and settlers.
@@costasc5061 eine stratigiki opws ekatalaves win win situation. Eine poli eksipnos o typos kai nmz oti trwme koutoxorto. An ithele i plevra tou lysi tha etrexan autoi. Profanws mono thelun anagnwrisi twn katexomenon.
Because they are humans too, and they lives here for years too. True war happened but its in the past, and i think TRNC people are cypriots too. The key is to find a peaceful solution.
@ so what would be the incentive for the TC to negotiate in good faith if they know the result of a failure will lead to Turkeys long term goal of legal partition. Why not have the one I m suggesting so Turkey and TC work for a solution that guarantees Cyprus unity, territorial integrity and independence. In other words, Nami’s suggestion is sneaky and aimed against Cyprus´ interests.
@eldemkranel920 I definetely agree with the fact that turkish-cypriots are humans too and no one ever said the contrary. However, there is a reason that the status quo exists and this is beacuse it condemns the creation of a state which emerged beacuse of an illegal and forceful invasion. Unfortunately, the price that the people of "TRNC" have to pay is this and I know that it's very unfair but that is the case. I think you can understand that Mr Nami's statement is quite controversial. It could somehow be interpreted by the greek-cypriot side as a threat which implies that the greek-cypriots will have to agree to a solution (and thus could imply that the turkish-cypriot side will take advantage of that in order to put pressure and introduce terms which are towards its own favour) or else the status quo will end (which basically means accepting and legalising the actions of a forceful invasion). I think that since the turkish-cypriot side is so passionate for a solution as Mr Nami said, it would perhaps be better not to make such controversial statements. At the end of the day, believe me, we greek-cypriots are also THIRSTY for a solution. We definetely might not be internationally isolated as people in the north do, but we still have our very own reasons to understand and realise that having a divided island is not prosperous and long-lasting. And we just want to peacefully live together with our turkish-cypriot compatriots. LETS HOPE THAT CYPRUS WILL SOON BE REUNITED!
@eldemkranel920 and because TCs are humans too Cyprus needs to stay divided? What kind of logic is that? If Cyprus reunites TCs will seize to be Human?!?
Would be possible to we as society vote in an application way, indivitually each part of the total solution? Instead of let the politicians decide, can we make this choices made by the people?
Το Κυπριακό Πρόβλημα εμφανίστηκε το 1821 με τους κατοίκους της Κύπρου να εξεγείρονται κατά των κατακτητών Οθομανών. Οι Οθομανοί ενέπλεξαν το 1878 τους Άγγλους και οι Άγγλοι το 1956 ενέπλεξαν τους Τούρκους. Το 1960 ιδρύθηκε ως Λύση η Κυπριακή Δημοκρατία. Το 1964 ο ΟΗΕ έστειλε στρατό στην ΚΔ, ως ενδιαφερόμενο μέρος από το 1951 κατόπιν συναίνεσης Ελληνικήςκυβέρνησης, αρχιεπισκόπου Μακαρίου (εθναρχείας) και της εκλεγμένης κυβέρνησης Μακαρίου μετα την τουρκανταρσία (απόπειρα της Τουρκίας να διαλύσει το Κράτος που ιδρύθηκε με τις συμφωνίες Ζυρίχης Λονδίνου το 1958). Το πρόβλημα μπορεί να λυθεί όταν συμφωνηθούν όλα τα εκκρεμούντα θέματα και μετά την απελευθέρωση των κατεχομένων περιοχών της ΚΔ.
The Cyprus Problem emerged in 1821 with the inhabitants of Cyprus revolting against the Ottoman conquerors. The Ottomans involved the British in 1878 and the British involved the Turks in 1956. In 1960, the Republic of Cyprus was established as a solution. In 1964, the UN sent troops to the Republic of Cyprus, as an interested party since 1951, following the consent of the Greek government, Archbishop Makarios (ethnarchy) and the elected Makarios government after the Turkish occupation (an attempt by Turkey to dissolve the State established by the Zurich-London agreements in 1958). The problem can be solved when all outstanding issues are agreed upon and after the liberation of the occupied territories of the Republic of Cyprus.
Exactly why i voted him... we need to start thinking outside the box.. the old ideas and ways are obsolete.. world is changing fast.. every problem has a solution, instead we find a problem for every solution..
Very friendly nice talk. These people seem from same origin. Regarding what happen to KranM, I believe is already history. Little pressure from Turkey & Greece prior to meeting on secretary general mess around. As Turkey and Greece last month’s show incredible big will to solve it before Russia/Ukraine solution plan and move on, everything will be ok. Cyprus will be the second Neutral country on planet after Switzerland.
Κύριοι οι βρομισμενοι 🇬🇧 χρωστάνε πάνω από ένα δυς ευρώ για ενοίκια από το 1963 ως σήμερα... Να συμφωνισουμε να τα πάρουμε ή να τα δοσουν στην 🇪🇺 να κάνει τον πρώτο ευρωπαϊκό στρατό εδώ για εγγύηση της 🇨🇾
Mr Nami, please reconsider running for president also. The Greek Cypriot community lost its chance with Mr Mavroyiannis unfortunately. Don't deny the Turkish Cypriot side their chance also.
Υπάρχει μς ελληνικούς υπότιτλους η συζήτηση ; Είναι πιστεύω πολλής κόσμος που θα θέλει να το δεί αλλά δεν ξέρουμε τα αγγλικά που χρειάζονται για να παρακολουθήσουμε την συζήτηση
Sovereignty is of utmost importance a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that comprises two politically equal communities weakens this Sovereignty and makes room for future aggression!!!!
To the Turkish Cypriot side: Do you believe it is fair to demand control over 29% of the territory, given that the Turkish Cypriot population was around 18% in 1960? How do you justify this territorial proportion? This is one of the many questions that need to be addressed. I personally believe that the bi-zonal, bi-communal federation (BBF) is racist and will only serve to further divide the two communities, keeping the people apart. What guarantees can you give that Turkey will not interfere or intervene in the Turkish Cypriot side under a BBF? The only reason I ask this is because, for the last 50 years, that is exactly what has been happening, while Greece does not interfere.
Feia I am not sure but I think if you gather other influencers from both sides and go to the borders and protest tear the walls down will help the negotiation
I was born in Nicosia and my family is from Turkey. They move from Turkey to North Cyprus in 1974. I want to understand that why i cant pass South Side with my TRNC identity card? Is it my mistake or sin ? Why Greek police officers reject me to pass South side?
Simply because Turkey in 1974 INVADED and displased 265.000 people. UN-ALIVED thousands of cypriots in the process.the TRNC is nowhere recognised, in fact is the protectorate state of criminal turkey. And all these are agreed by United Nations, so Turkish army should pack and leave Cyprus. Your father i assume came in 1974 as a soldier?
a solution to the guarantees is Simple . Limited Turkish Troops and the guarantee to intervene only in the northern federal state ! not to be allowed to intervene in the southern federal state ! easy why has nobody ever put this forward ?
Διαφωνώ πλήρως.. Imagine a scenario where turkey can always land turkish troops in the northern federal state. Would you ever buy property in that state? Would you ever settle in that state? No guarantees, we need a different security arrangement
Πολλά σοβαρό θέμα για να ειναι τόσο τραγική η τεχνική κατάσταση του βίντεο με τον ήχο.. βάλε ρε φίλε ενα να συντονίζει.. όπως και να έχει κουτσά στραβά, να σαι καλά για την πρωτοβουλία..
Έβαλες τους Αγγλικούς υπότιτλους ως πρώτη αυτόματη επιλογή. Υπάρχουν άλλες 8 με 10 χώρες για υπότιτλους, και την γλώσσα μας τα Ελληνικά δεν συμπεριλαμβάνεται. Τα Ελληνικά έπρεπε να ήταν πρώτη γλώσσα επιλογής. Δεν είμαστε όλοι Άγγλομαθεις.
Mr Özdil Nami said that Turkish Cypriots (TCs) are hungry for a solution to the Cyprus problem. This is true only for Mustafa Akıncı, Mehmet Ali Talat, Özdil Nami and their supporters, who do not exceed %30 of the TC population. The rest of the TC population has no such hunger; the opposite is true: most Greek Cypriots (GCs) are hungry for a solution to the Cyprus problem. However, GCs are constantly using the EU card as an incentive for the TCs to hide their hunger. GCs do not realise that the validity of the EU card has expired. The status quo in Cyprus will continue for the foreseeable future. In any case, any breach of the status quo will turn Cyprus into another Lebanon. There is no need for further negotiations because you cannot solve something already resolved.
One comment on security , Mr Mavroyannis is saying they wanted the complete abolishing of the troops, but if this was such a big problem he can tell us how many thousands of foreign troops they have in Cyprus at the moment (german, french, american, british). To me it feels like having Turkish troops on the island specifically was the issue of Greek Cypriots.
My friend, I am really sorry to tell you that but your comment is totally out of scope. No matter if there are indeed other foreign troops in Cyprus (German, French, British or whatever else), their presence is not at all the same as the presence that the turkish troops will have in Cyprus. The turkish troops will be present as a guarantor power which will be allowed to intervene with the use of their military force within the sovereing land of cyprus (contrarilly to all the other foreign powers troops that you are referring too that will not have such a legitimacy by any agreement or treaty). What needs to be understood by the turkish-cypriot delegation is that the issue of security is of key importance for the greek-cypriot community. The presence of turkish troops on the island and their ability to intervene as a guarantor power means that the greek-cypriot lives will be under a constant threat of being massacared or being endangered. It is those exact powers which led to the invasion and the loss of so many lives in 1974. With that being said, we obviously do understand that turkish-cypriots feel threatened due to the events that took place between 1963-74 which began with the bicommunal tensions in December of 1963. But turkey is grey zone for the greek-cypriot delegation because its a constant threat for us. Of course, let me clarify that no greek troops should remain on the island either nor should greece be a guarantor power (and that's exactly what has been proposed by the greek-cypriot delegation as explained by Mr Mavroyiannis in a greek-speaking podcast)! Undoubtetly, a solution which will ensure that both communities will feel safe and secured is of course required. But such a solution cannot involve any troops presence nor any guarantor powers (both greece and turkey). At the end of the day my friend, believe me, turkey does not really care about the turkish-cypriot community but only to fulfil its own goals in east meditteranean through a permanent presence in Cyprus. ITS US, THE CYPRIOTS WHO NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER AND FIND A SOLUTION WHICH WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR OURSELVES!
Wait wait. Did the British, French, American , German INVADED AND DISPLASED 260.000 PEOPLE AND UN-ALIVED THOUSANDS OF CYPRIOTS? NO! IT WAS TURKEY WHO DID THOSE ATROCITIES THATS WHY YHEY NEED TO PACK IT AND GO!
Fidias could had been a better moderator rather than recklessly shouting to the audience "i love you". Nevertheless this initiative reflects a well rounded effort.
During the program everything was going smoothly and friendly until someone said that Nicos Anastasiadis left the table in crans montana. The reaction of andreas was; " this is not true, he was in the photograph taken at the end of the negotiations so he did not leave crans montana" as if turkish negotiator meant that anastasiades got up and left the conferance. At the beginning I was thinking if this was a joke or not. Both negotiators said that they put too much effort and they reached to an aggreement on most of the subjects with very high percentages. They reached to such a point that they were invited to crans montana to finalize the agreement in the presence of community leaders and garantor powers as well. The method was to finalize the aggrement by give and take method for example one side would sacrifice on security issues and gain on property issues. So the bargain was very important and as a necessity of the method both sides preferred to play the game with closed cards to have the chance for bargain. Then all of a sudden Anastasiades puts forward a precondition on the issue of garantor powers and demands an immediate answer which was totally against the flow of method of the negotiations at such an important point that Turkey for the first time ever accepted to sacrifice about garantor powers. At this stage secretary general says the talks not going on anywhere so there is no need to continue. So the conference ended up because of Anastasiades. Even at this crusial point the two negotiators can not agree on who was responsible for the failure of the conferance. Sooo in the light of these facts how can someone expect a solution in cyprus.
My friend, I am sorry but I will have to dissagree with you. First and foremost, the fact that the turkish-cypriot delegation argues that the greek-cypriot side attempted to bargain on the terms and was not willing to make concessions is not true. And this is clearly being proven in the video, simply because when Mr Nami said that the greek-cypriot side was not willing to openly discuss about its proposals, Mr Mavroyiannis immediately replied by saying that the greek-cypriot delegation was the ONLY one from all five delegations participating in the negotiation process which SUBMITTED IN WRITING its proposals as regards to the six major points of the negotiation. When Mr Mavroyiannis replied with that statement, Mr Nami didn't show any sings of denying it (which therefore implies that what Mr Mavroyiannis said is the truth). Therefore, I do not think that there can be a valid statement that the greek-cypriot delegation attempted to use a bargain advantage since it was the ONLY delegation which SUBMITTED IN WRITING its proposals. What also needs to be understood by the turkish-cypriot delegation is that the issue of security is of key importance for the greek-cypriot community. The presence of turkish troops on the island and their ability to intervene as a guarantor power means that the greek-cypriot lives will be under a constant threat of being massacared or being endangered. It is those exact powers which led to the invasion and the loss of so many lives in 1974. With that being said, we obviously do understand that turkish-cypriots feel threatened due to the events that took place between 1963-74 which began with the bicommunal tensions in December of 1963. But turkey is grey zone for the greek-cypriot delegation because its a constant threat for us. Of course, let me clarify that no greek troops should remain on the island either nor should greece be a guarantor power (and that's exactly what has been proposed by the greek-cypriot delegation as explained by Mr Mavroyiannis in a greek-speaking podcast)! Undoubtetly, a solution which will ensure that both communities will feel safe and secured is of course required. But such a solution cannot involve any troops presence nor any guarantor powers (both greece and turkey). At the end of the day my friend, believe me, turkey does not really care about the turkish-cypriot community but only to fulfil its own goals in east meditteranean through a permanent presence in Cyprus. ITS US, THE CYPRIOTS WHO NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER AND FIND A SOLUTION WHICH WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR OURSELVES!
I partially agree with your statement but after this video i really thing that the issue will be solved with future presidents because most people of the two sides really want. I hope it will!
@@trelliparea6262 it was clearly stated by both negotiators that at this last stage of the conference in crans montana the method was give and take. To compromise in one and to gain on the other. So my understanding is that at this stage you can not come out and put a condition. If you had that condition you should have put it far before you went to crans montana.
@@tanjucandas4145 a give and take process cannot be the way forward when discussing about a solution which will involve a state where human beings are going to live in. It is not a bazar, it is a state which involves human lives. It is a place where people need to feel safe. Where they need to know that their lives and their identity will not be under threat. That is going to be longlasting and propserous. I doubt that this is what was being said or meant. And it is very well known to the UN and the turkish as well as the turkish-cypriot delegation that the issue of security and guarantess is a grey-zone because it simply relates to the greek-cypriots survival.
@@trelliparea6262 was it clearly stated by both negotiators that it was a give an take method at crans montana? As far as I understood the answer is yes. If you dont agree with this then it is another matter
@mrk1224 επειδή ξεχνάς ή αν είσαι νεαρός δεν γνωρίζεις να σε πληροφορησω λίγα πράγματα να μάθεις. 1ον οι Τούρκοι είναι εχθροί μας. Το 2004 στο δημοψήφισμα. του σχεδίου Ανάν οι τ/κ στην μεγάλη τους πλειοψηφία ψήφισαν ΝΑΙ. Δηλαδή διχοτόμηση. 2ον στην παράνομη τουρκική εισβολή οι Τούρκοι σκότωσαν έξι χιλιάδες Ε/κ και δύο χιλιάδες αγνοουμένους. 3ον εκτόπισαν διακόσιες χιλιάδες πρόσφυγες. 4ον κατακρατούν γιά πενήντα χρόνια τα εδάφη μας. 5ον κατά την διάρκεια της εισβολής βίαζαν και βασάνιζαν Ε/κ. 6ον απειλούν την Ελλαδα και απαιτούν το μισό Αιγαίο και ολόκληρη την Κυπρο. Η Δ.Δ.Ο θα είναι η καταστροφή της Κύπρου, δηλ. εκ περιτροπής προεδρία και συνεταιρικό κράτος κ.α δεινά. Αν αγαπάς την Πατρίδα σου πρέπει να είσαι πατριώτης, να υπερασπίζεις την οικογενεια σου και τον τόπο που γεννήθηκες. Αν συνεχίζεις να διαφωνείς μην μου ξαναγράψεις σχόλιο.
@@mrk1224 μόνοντον Γιάννο Χαραλαμπίδη να παρακολουθείς και ΟΧΙ τα κοπελλούθκια. Παρασύρεσαι εύκολα. Την πολιτική με σοβαρούς ανθρώπους μαθαίνεις την αλήθεια.
English and especially French mourn today. Otherwise, on topic, these people are out of their minds. The only viable solution is liberation from Turkish occupation
@@mrk1224 abutted bit of everything? That's the turk. No longer 100% Mongol but a mixed fruit salad, dna doesn't lie but dna testing banned in turkey.
Χωρίς ίχνος ειρωνείας θέλω να ρωτήσω τον Φειδια πως μπορεί να συζητά ένα τόσο μεγάλο και σοβαρό θέμα όσο το κυπριακό;;;; Δυστυχώς φίλε μου δεν πάει έτσι!!!Για να συζητήσει κάποιος πρέπει να γνωρίζει μέσα έξω την ιστορία,όλες τις πλευρές να είναι ενήμερος για την κάθε λεπτομέρεια.
@@floratheodorou9824 exei akousei polla to teleutaio kairo kai kserei arketa, apla mila stin mwrfi pou niwthei aneta, an arxisei na filtrarei to eauto tou logika tha stamatisei na skeftete. Eine apomenos alla kserei oso kratame apostaseis o kosmos den tha enowthei... Twra an thelune Kipro elliniki eine allo thema pou den to vlepw na ginete. Ektos an ginei toso kali i zwi kai i xwra mas eine filiki wste oi Tourkokiprioi na pistevun exoun perisotera dikaiwmata kato apo Ellines para stin Tourkia.
Το κάνει ο Φειδίας γιατί; Γιατι μπορεί και θέλει. επίσης ο Φειδιας δεν είπε κατι έφερε τους ανθρώπους που διαπραγματευόταν το Κυπριακό τόσα χρόνια. Επίσης πες μας ποιος εν ο ειδικός; Ο Φειδίας χωρίς να ξέρει ενημερώνει τους ανθρώπους μέσα από την πηγή και μόνο έτσι πάμε μπροστά αλλιώς ξέχασε και το μέλλον. Θα περιμένουμε μόνο για θαύμα.
Sometimes looks Karagiozis but he is who is he. I stop to see any more when he makes appomata. I thing today represent the junger people of boths sides who see the reality and the future.
@@stoso9864 yes life is a joke and so you should try to be a joke sometimes cause we all going to the same place, some will be remembered as a joke and some will not be remembered at all cause they never existed. Or their existance wasnt so important to know who they were.
The Greeks' strategy of refusing all peace plans to force the Turkish side to make more concessions hit a solid rock at Crans-Montana. It was the last stop for a federal solution in Cyprus. The Turkish side will not sit at the table unless the Greek side accepts a two-state solution as a precondition. Also, membership in the EU lost its importance for the Turkish side, so there is no incentive the EU can use anymore on the Cyprus issue. The Greek side will never agree to a two-state solution, which means the status quo will remain in Cyprus for the foreseeable future. In any case, a federal solution in Cyprus will lead to renewed intercommunal fighting and bloodshed, which will create another Lebanon. 1955-1974 were years of communal infighting and bloodshed. A federal solution will bring these dark/bloody days back, so continuing the status quo is the best option if Cyprus is to avoid becoming another Lebanon.
There is no possibility that the greek-cypriot side will accept a two-state solution simply because the so called "TRNC" emerged as a result of a forceful invasion. What also needs to be understood is that there is a wrong impression about the greek-cypriots trying to make the turkish-cypriot side to make more concessions, on the contrary, the greek-cypriot side is only trying to find a balance between making equal concessions with the turkish-cypriot side but on a basis of what would be fair, longlasting and propserous. Unfortunately, what seems to emerge from the discussion between Mr Mavrogiannis and Mr Nami is that our turkish-cypriot compatriots (due to the fear that they have from the events between 1963-1974 and especially the events of 1963-64 and which is completely understandable on their behalf to be insecure about) is that without them realising it (or at least that's what I hope), they may want certain terms which are actually more in turkey's favour rather than the turkish-cypriot communities favour (e.g., the issue of securities and guarantees). What the turkish-cypriot community has to realise is that turkey does not really care about them but only cares to ensure that its goals as a super-power will be met. Therefore, the turskish-cypriot community needs to raise its own voice and try to think what will be beneficial for the community and not for turkey as a super power. I hope that our turkish-cypriot compatriots will realise that and the Cyprus issue will soon find its solution.
What a great event! Both communities need to understand each other more and be more involved in the processes to encourage leaders towards the solution and contribute as a society on both sides. Please continue what you are doing!
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Feidias and everyone involved in this initiative, thank you and well done!
ΕΞΑΙΡΕΤΙΚΗ πρωτοβουλία. Τραγικότατο το γεγονός οτι έπρεπε να περάσουν 7 χρονια που το Γκρανς Μοντανα, τζιαι εχρειαζετουν ενας Φιδείας για να κατσουν τουτοι οι 2 οι ανθρωποι να μιλησουν μαζι δημοσια.
Συμφωνώ απόλυτα. Μας εκπλήσσει ο Φειδίας με την απλότητά και την αμεσότητά του, κατάφερε μόνος του - χωρίς τις πλάτες κανενός - αυτά που δεν έκαναν τα κόμματα (για τις δύο κοινότητες) όλα αυτά τα χρόνια.
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Αφέλειες. Μόνο ένας ανεγκέφαλος ναιναίκος τα χάφτει αυτά
It was a really nice movement from Fidias!
This guy shows the way for all communities in our country that we can all live peaceful together again and work hard all together for prosperity!
Thank you Fidias and EU Parliament for this amazing event ❤❤l
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Φειδία! Μπράβο! Και ευχαριστούμε! Δώστα ούλλα σου, κάμε ότι μπορείς, εκπροσωπείς τους νέους αναπάντεχα όμορφα!
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Ναι, μπράβο Φειδια. Δώστε τα όλα στους κατακτητές μας. Μπράβο!
Ανεξαρτήτως αποτελεσμάτων είναι σημαντικό η συζήτηση να γίνεται δημόσια και όχι πίσω από κλειστές πόρτες
Οι συνομιλιτές να δηλώσουν ότι είναι έτοιμοι εδώ και τώρα να επαναρχίσουν τις συνομιλίες και ότι θεωρούν το Γκρανς Μοντάνα ως ένα σταθμό και όχι το τέρμα των συνομιλιών.
The parties should declare that they are ready here and now to resume talks and that they consider Grands Montana as a stop and not the end of the talks.
Amazing conversation. Ofcourse technical issues and organizing it could be much better.
I really understand a lot of things regarding the Cypriot issue. I'm also pleased with the Turkish-Cypriot negotiator and i hope we will have more of this conversations to solve the Cypriot issue.
Cyprus Reunited!
Let's make you two presidents and solve this.
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Πολλά πολλά βαθύ. Μακάρι
Took an hour and 52 mins for somebody to ask a valid question. But an interesting and educating conference
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Φειδία εκέρδησες το σεβασμό μου μετά που τούτο. Μπράβο
Λέγεται ὅτι στὴν κατεχόμενην Κύπρον οἱ παράνομοι Τοῦρκοι ἔποικοι συνιστοῦν περίπου τὸ 67% τοῦ πληθυσμοῦ. Τὸ ὑπόλοιπο 33% (μπορεῖ νὰ‘ν’ τζαὶ πολλὺν τὸ ποσοστὸν ποὺ γράφω) ἔν’ οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι ποὺ ἐπαραμείνασιν εἰς τὴν Κύπρο. Ὁπότε μὲ τὶς παράνομες ἐκλογὲς ποὺ γίνουνται στὰ κατεχόμενα ἒν ἐκλέγεται ἀντιπρόσωπος τῶν Τουρκοκυπρίων, ἀλλὰ ἐκλέγεται ἀντιπρόσωπος τῶν ἐποίκων. Ἐὰν πραγματικὰ θέλουμεν νὰ συνομιλοῦμε μὲ ἀντιπρόσωπον τῶν Τουρκοκυπρίων, τότε χρειάζεται νὰ ὀργανωθοῦν ἐκλογικὰ κέντρα σὲ περιοχὴ ποὺ ἐλέγχεται ‘ποὺ τὰ Ἡνωμένα Ἔθνη (π.χ. στὸ Ἀεροδρόμιο τῆς Λευκωσίας, στὴν Πύλα, στὴν Ἀθηένου), ὅπου νὰ περνοῦν ‘ποὺ τζειαμαὶ οὗλλοι οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι τζαὶ νὰ ψηφίζουν τὸν ἀντιπρόσωπόν τους σὲ περιοχὴ ποὺ δὲν ἐλέγχεται ‘ποὺ τὴν κατοχικὴν Τουρκία. Εἰδ’ ἄλλως ἒν συνομιλοῦμεν μὲ ἀντιπρόσωπον τῶν Τουρκοκυπρίων, ἀλλὰ μὲ ἀντιπρόσωπον τῶν παρανόμων Τούρκων ἐποίκων.
Ἕναν τζι ἕναν κάμνουν δκυό… οὗλλοι οἱ ἰθαγενεὶς Κυπραῖοι («Ἑλληνοκύπριοι», «Τουρκοκύπριοι») ἔχουμεν τὸ ἴδιον γαῖμα... βάσει ἐρευνῶν τζι ὅλας, οὖλλοι οἱ ἰθαγενεῖς Κυπραῖοι ἔχουμεν Ἑλληνικὴν καταγωγή. Ἡ μόνη διαφορὰ μεταξὺ «Ἑλληνοκυπρίων» τζαὶ «Τουρκοκυπρίων» ἔν’ ἡ πολιτισμική («Ἑλληνοκύπριοι»: Ἕλληνες Ρωμηοί , «Τουρκοκύπριοι»: τουρκόφωνοι κοσμικοὶ Σουνίτες Μουσουλμάνοι).
Οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι δὲν εἶναι Τοῦρκοι, εἶναι ἀπόγονοι ἐξισλαμισθέντων Ἑλλήνων τῆς Κύπρου ἀπὸ τὴν ἐποχὴν τῆς Οθωμανικῆς κατοχῆς. Στὸ γαῖμαν ἔν’ Ἕλληνες. Μόνον πολιτισμικὰ ἔν’ διαφορετικοί 'ποὺ τοὺς Ἑλληνοκυπρίους, τζαὶ ἐπίσης οἱ παραπάνω Τουρκοκύπριοι ἐξέραν να συντυχάννουν Ἑλληνικά, εἰδικὰ πρὶν το 1974.
Ἐὰν οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι θέλουν νὰ κανονίζουν τὰ ἐσωτερικὰ κοινοτικά τους θέματα μεταξύν τους, ἂς τὸ κάμουν, ὥστε νὰ μὲν κατηγοροῦν τοὺς Ἑλληνοκύπριους ἡγέτες γιὰ τὰ ἐνδοκοινοτικά τους προβλήματα. Τζαὶ ‘γειά τους τζαὶ χαρά τους. Ἐμεῖς σὰν Κύπριοι ὅμως θέλουμεν τὰ ἑξῆς:
α) Ἀποχώρηση ὅλων τῶν κατοχικῶν καὶ λοιπῶν στρατευμάτων τῆς Τουρκίας ἀλλὰ καὶ ὅλων τῶν ξένων στρατευμάτων ἀπὸ τὴν Κύπρο (Βρεττανικῶν, Ἑλλαδικῶν-NATOϊκῶν, κ.λπ.)
β) Ἀποχώρηση ὅλων τῶν Τούρκων ἐποίκων ποὺ διαμένουν παράνομα στὴν Κύπρο
γ) Ἀνάκτηση τοῦ δικαιώματος διαχείρισης περιουσίας ὅλων τῶν Ἑλληνοκυπρίων προσφύγων στὴν σήμερα κατεχόμενη περιοχὴ τῆς Κύπρου
δ) Ἐπιστροφὴ ὅσων Κυπρίων προσφύγων θέλουν, εἴτε Ἑλληνοκυπρίων, εἴτε Τουρκοκυπρίων, στὶς πατρογονικές τους ἑστίες
ε) Περιβάλλον εἰρήνης, ἀσφάλειας, ἐλεύθερης διακίνησης καὶ ἐλεύθερης ἐγκατάστασης σὲ ὅλη τὴν ἔκταση τῆς Κύπρου
στ) Ἰσονομία μεταξὺ ὅλων τῶν πολιτῶν (ὄχι πολιτικὴ ἰσότητα μεταξὺ τοῦ 82% καὶ τοῦ 18%)
Τοῦτον ποὺ δὲν μᾶς ἀπαντᾶτε εἶναι, θα γίνει κάτι ‘ποὺ ὅσα ἐσυναφέραμεν πιὸ πάνω; Ὀξὰ ἓν νὰ περιπαιζούμαστεν ἁπλὰ ὥσπου πάει;
Ἔν’ ξεκάθαρον ὅτι τὸ πρόβλημαν ἒν ἔν’ ἡ πολιτισμικὴ διαφορὰ μεταξὺ Ἑλληνοκυπρίων τζαὶ Τουρκοκυπρίων, ἀλλὰ το πρόβλημαν ἔν’ η πολιτικὴ διαφορά. Ἐβάλαν μας νὰ τρωούμαστεν μεταξὺ μας σὰν νὰ εἴμαστεν 2 λαοί, ἐνῷ στὴν πραγματικότηταν εἴμαστεν ἕνας λαός. ‘Ποὺ τοῦτον τὸ status quo ἐπωφελοῦνται συγκεκριμένα ἄτομα, εἴτε Ἑλληνοκύπριοι, εἴτε Τουρκοκύπριοι, ποὺ συγκεντρώνουν πάνω τους πολιτικὲς τζαὶ οἰκονομικὲς ἐξουσίες. Γιὰ νὰ ἔχουν τοῦτοι οἱ ὀλιγάρχες τὰ προνόμια ποὺ ἔχουν, ὑποφέρουμεν οὗλλοι οἱ ὑπόλοιποι, εἴτε Τοῦρκοι, εἴτε Ρωμηοί.
This gave us all hope 🙏🏼
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A bi-communal, bi-zonal federation solution must include bi-communal, bi-zonal conversation in public. For decades we were lost in the procedure of translation. Never before, anyone dared to establish a public bi-communal conversation on Cyprus issue. Fidias u are the best, you showing the way! Keep going! Superinteresting thank you❤
P.s. please, next Q n A try to keep one woman , one man order
EXCELLENT INITIATIVE! FIDIAS KEEP IT UP LIKE THIS AND DONT LISTEN TO THE HATERS!
Mr Nami is right we have to know what we want and be honest ,you cannot be nagotiating forever . Its not certain there will be another chance anyway. There are political and economic interests that want the status quo , also the church is financing the no federal solution , i dont know what solution they want , also our education system, that is controled a lot by the church, is not prepairing us for federal solution but the oposite. Anastasiades knew that even if he reached an agreement he wouldnt be able to pass it in the referedum ,he is not stupid , he wanted to be reelected that was his priority , even Christofias of AkEL when he was in goverment he said no to Anan plan .
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I am a Turkish speaking Cypriot and it breaks my heart each time when I meet a Greek speaking Cypriot for the first time they have really hard time to understand that I am Cypriot too.. most of them think all the people in the north came from Turkey in 1974. They are always surprised when I say my family used to live in the south before the war.. so maybe you are right, maybe that’s the education system..
Συγχαρητήρια στον κύπριο ευρωβουλευτή Φειδία Παναγιώτου και σε όλους τους συντελεστές του βίντεο. Ελπίζω οι επόμενοι συνομιλιτές να θέσουν το βίντεο ως αντικείμενο συζήτησης, πρότυπο και μέρος της Λύσης που θα προταθεί.
Congratulations to the Cypriot MEP Phidias Panayiotou and to all the contributors to the video. I hope that the next speakers will make the video a subject of discussion, a model and part of the Solution that will be proposed.
I would like to join one of your events and talk 🗣️ What i am struggling while i cross the to southern part of the Cyprus as a turkish speaking Cypriot. Turkish cypriot guy he just a content creator on instagram. not a liberal socialist person to about our future of the cyprus. We need proper laws to bring others to under the republic of cyprus to able to make peace. Trust building steps are the best. One nation , one army , one flag and one land !
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His excellency he said,
And punishing the side that doesn’t accept their expansionist bloody plan.
ENOUGH.
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The Golden Order was considered pivotal in addressing both mathematical and spiritual challenges. True democracy extends beyond the act of voting; it necessitates a structured order and active participation from individuals. Filotimo (a Greek concept often translated as honor, duty, or respect) is seen as foundational to this order.
I like Nami, but why is the recommendation to recognize the TRNC in case of a failure. Why not be the returning to a unitary state and immediate withdrawal of Turkish troops and settlers.
@@costasc5061 eine stratigiki opws ekatalaves win win situation. Eine poli eksipnos o typos kai nmz oti trwme koutoxorto. An ithele i plevra tou lysi tha etrexan autoi. Profanws mono thelun anagnwrisi twn katexomenon.
Because they are humans too, and they lives here for years too. True war happened but its in the past, and i think TRNC people are cypriots too. The key is to find a peaceful solution.
@ so what would be the incentive for the TC to negotiate in good faith if they know the result of a failure will lead to Turkeys long term goal of legal partition. Why not have the one I m suggesting so Turkey and TC work for a solution that guarantees Cyprus unity, territorial integrity and independence. In other words, Nami’s suggestion is sneaky and aimed against Cyprus´ interests.
@eldemkranel920 I definetely agree with the fact that turkish-cypriots are humans too and no one ever said the contrary. However, there is a reason that the status quo exists and this is beacuse it condemns the creation of a state which emerged beacuse of an illegal and forceful invasion. Unfortunately, the price that the people of "TRNC" have to pay is this and I know that it's very unfair but that is the case. I think you can understand that Mr Nami's statement is quite controversial. It could somehow be interpreted by the greek-cypriot side as a threat which implies that the greek-cypriots will have to agree to a solution (and thus could imply that the turkish-cypriot side will take advantage of that in order to put pressure and introduce terms which are towards its own favour) or else the status quo will end (which basically means accepting and legalising the actions of a forceful invasion).
I think that since the turkish-cypriot side is so passionate for a solution as Mr Nami said, it would perhaps be better not to make such controversial statements. At the end of the day, believe me, we greek-cypriots are also THIRSTY for a solution. We definetely might not be internationally isolated as people in the north do, but we still have our very own reasons to understand and realise that having a divided island is not prosperous and long-lasting. And we just want to peacefully live together with our turkish-cypriot compatriots.
LETS HOPE THAT CYPRUS WILL SOON BE REUNITED!
@eldemkranel920 and because TCs are humans too Cyprus needs to stay divided? What kind of logic is that? If Cyprus reunites TCs will seize to be Human?!?
Would be possible to we as society vote in an application way, indivitually each part of the total solution? Instead of let the politicians decide, can we make this choices made by the people?
Το Κυπριακό Πρόβλημα εμφανίστηκε το 1821 με τους κατοίκους της Κύπρου να εξεγείρονται κατά των κατακτητών Οθομανών. Οι Οθομανοί ενέπλεξαν το 1878 τους Άγγλους και οι Άγγλοι το 1956 ενέπλεξαν τους Τούρκους. Το 1960 ιδρύθηκε ως Λύση η Κυπριακή Δημοκρατία. Το 1964 ο ΟΗΕ έστειλε στρατό στην ΚΔ, ως ενδιαφερόμενο μέρος από το 1951 κατόπιν συναίνεσης Ελληνικήςκυβέρνησης, αρχιεπισκόπου Μακαρίου (εθναρχείας) και της εκλεγμένης κυβέρνησης Μακαρίου μετα την τουρκανταρσία (απόπειρα της Τουρκίας να διαλύσει το Κράτος που ιδρύθηκε με τις συμφωνίες Ζυρίχης Λονδίνου το 1958). Το πρόβλημα μπορεί να λυθεί όταν συμφωνηθούν όλα τα εκκρεμούντα θέματα και μετά την απελευθέρωση των κατεχομένων περιοχών της ΚΔ.
The Cyprus Problem emerged in 1821 with the inhabitants of Cyprus revolting against the Ottoman conquerors. The Ottomans involved the British in 1878 and the British involved the Turks in 1956. In 1960, the Republic of Cyprus was established as a solution. In 1964, the UN sent troops to the Republic of Cyprus, as an interested party since 1951, following the consent of the Greek government, Archbishop Makarios (ethnarchy) and the elected Makarios government after the Turkish occupation (an attempt by Turkey to dissolve the State established by the Zurich-London agreements in 1958). The problem can be solved when all outstanding issues are agreed upon and after the liberation of the occupied territories of the Republic of Cyprus.
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Anisixa me to username su 😂
@damathequeen6434 men anisixas 😄
Μπράβο για την πρωτοβουλία!! 🇨🇾
Great initiative.
Exactly why i voted him... we need to start thinking outside the box.. the old ideas and ways are obsolete.. world is changing fast.. every problem has a solution, instead we find a problem for every solution..
Well done keep going 🫶🇨🇾🫶🇨🇾🫶🇨🇾🫶🇨🇾🫶
Very friendly nice talk. These people seem from same origin. Regarding what happen to KranM, I believe is already history. Little pressure from Turkey & Greece prior to meeting on secretary general mess around. As Turkey and Greece last month’s show incredible big will to solve it before Russia/Ukraine solution plan and move on, everything will be ok. Cyprus will be the second Neutral country on planet after Switzerland.
Μπράβο Φειδία 👏👏👏
Κύριοι οι βρομισμενοι 🇬🇧 χρωστάνε πάνω από ένα δυς ευρώ για ενοίκια από το 1963 ως σήμερα... Να συμφωνισουμε να τα πάρουμε ή να τα δοσουν στην 🇪🇺 να κάνει τον πρώτο ευρωπαϊκό στρατό εδώ για εγγύηση της 🇨🇾
"Our" point of view. Who is "we"? Turkey? Turkish-Cypriots?
Mr Nami, please reconsider running for president also. The Greek Cypriot community lost its chance with Mr Mavroyiannis unfortunately. Don't deny the Turkish Cypriot side their chance also.
Conhecimento nos liberta
Υπάρχει μς ελληνικούς υπότιτλους η συζήτηση ;
Είναι πιστεύω πολλής κόσμος που θα θέλει να το δεί αλλά δεν ξέρουμε τα αγγλικά που χρειάζονται για να παρακολουθήσουμε την συζήτηση
Sovereignty is of utmost importance a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that comprises two politically equal communities weakens this Sovereignty and makes room for future aggression!!!!
Το Κυπριακό θα λυθεί αφου η Τουρκία ξεκουμπιστη
To the Turkish Cypriot side: Do you believe it is fair to demand control over 29% of the territory, given that the Turkish Cypriot population was around 18% in 1960? How do you justify this territorial proportion? This is one of the many questions that need to be addressed. I personally believe that the bi-zonal, bi-communal federation (BBF) is racist and will only serve to further divide the two communities, keeping the people apart. What guarantees can you give that Turkey will not interfere or intervene in the Turkish Cypriot side under a BBF? The only reason I ask this is because, for the last 50 years, that is exactly what has been happening, while Greece does not interfere.
Feia I am not sure but I think if you gather other influencers from both sides and go to the borders and protest tear the walls down will help the negotiation
I was born in Nicosia and my family is from Turkey. They move from Turkey to North Cyprus in 1974. I want to understand that why i cant pass South Side with my TRNC identity card? Is it my mistake or sin ? Why Greek police officers reject me to pass South side?
Can you enter the US without a visa? Countries have rules. Go ask your parents this question.
Simply because Turkey in 1974 INVADED and displased 265.000 people. UN-ALIVED thousands of cypriots in the process.the TRNC is nowhere recognised, in fact is the protectorate state of criminal turkey. And all these are agreed by United Nations, so Turkish army should pack and leave Cyprus. Your father i assume came in 1974 as a soldier?
@ No country in the world would prevent a person from traveling because of his/her family, because this is against human rights.
Fidia sinexise etsii!!!!
Θα ήταν καλύτερο αν εμιλούσαν και για ρεαλιστικές λύσεις που να κάμνουν το κράτος βιώσιμο.
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Συνομιλιτές διορίζονται από τους Ηγέτες των δυο πλευρών. Η Λύση επικυρώνεται από ένα Δημοψήφισμα και μετά εφαρμόζεται στα πλαίσια της ΕΕ.
Interlocutors are appointed by the Leaders of both sides. The Solution is ratified by a Referendum and then implemented within the EU.
a solution to the guarantees is Simple . Limited Turkish Troops and the guarantee to intervene only in the northern federal state ! not to be allowed to intervene in the southern federal state ! easy why has nobody ever put this forward ?
Έξω από την Κύπρο όλα τα ξένα στρατεύματα. Η Ασφάλεια του Κράτους στηρίζεται στο στρατό του και της συμμαχίες.
All foreign troops out of Cyprus. The security of the State is based on its army and its alliances.
Διαφωνώ πλήρως.. Imagine a scenario where turkey can always land turkish troops in the northern federal state. Would you ever buy property in that state? Would you ever settle in that state?
No guarantees, we need a different security arrangement
@ i did say Limited turkish troops
New level of cringe unlocked
Πολλά σοβαρό θέμα για να ειναι τόσο τραγική η τεχνική κατάσταση του βίντεο με τον ήχο.. βάλε ρε φίλε ενα να συντονίζει.. όπως και να έχει κουτσά στραβά, να σαι καλά για την πρωτοβουλία..
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Mono o fidias prospathi monos oi alloi tous psifisame gia volema
Μπραβο
Έβαλες τους Αγγλικούς υπότιτλους ως πρώτη αυτόματη επιλογή. Υπάρχουν άλλες 8 με 10 χώρες για υπότιτλους, και την γλώσσα μας τα Ελληνικά δεν συμπεριλαμβάνεται. Τα Ελληνικά έπρεπε να ήταν πρώτη γλώσσα επιλογής. Δεν είμαστε όλοι Άγγλομαθεις.
Mr Özdil Nami said that Turkish Cypriots (TCs) are hungry for a solution to the Cyprus problem. This is true only for Mustafa Akıncı, Mehmet Ali Talat, Özdil Nami and their supporters, who do not exceed %30 of the TC population. The rest of the TC population has no such hunger; the opposite is true: most Greek Cypriots (GCs) are hungry for a solution to the Cyprus problem. However, GCs are constantly using the EU card as an incentive for the TCs to hide their hunger. GCs do not realise that the validity of the EU card has expired. The status quo in Cyprus will continue for the foreseeable future. In any case, any breach of the status quo will turn Cyprus into another Lebanon. There is no need for further negotiations because you cannot solve something already resolved.
One comment on security , Mr Mavroyannis is saying they wanted the complete abolishing of the troops, but if this was such a big problem he can tell us how many thousands of foreign troops they have in Cyprus at the moment (german, french, american, british). To me it feels like having Turkish troops on the island specifically was the issue of Greek Cypriots.
My friend, I am really sorry to tell you that but your comment is totally out of scope.
No matter if there are indeed other foreign troops in Cyprus (German, French, British or whatever else), their presence is not at all the same as the presence that the turkish troops will have in Cyprus. The turkish troops will be present as a guarantor power which will be allowed to intervene with the use of their military force within the sovereing land of cyprus (contrarilly to all the other foreign powers troops that you are referring too that will not have such a legitimacy by any agreement or treaty).
What needs to be understood by the turkish-cypriot delegation is that the issue of security is of key importance for the greek-cypriot community. The presence of turkish troops on the island and their ability to intervene as a guarantor power means that the greek-cypriot lives will be under a constant threat of being massacared or being endangered. It is those exact powers which led to the invasion and the loss of so many lives in 1974. With that being said, we obviously do understand that turkish-cypriots feel threatened due to the events that took place between 1963-74 which began with the bicommunal tensions in December of 1963. But turkey is grey zone for the greek-cypriot delegation because its a constant threat for us. Of course, let me clarify that no greek troops should remain on the island either nor should greece be a guarantor power (and that's exactly what has been proposed by the greek-cypriot delegation as explained by Mr Mavroyiannis in a greek-speaking podcast)!
Undoubtetly, a solution which will ensure that both communities will feel safe and secured is of course required. But such a solution cannot involve any troops presence nor any guarantor powers (both greece and turkey). At the end of the day my friend, believe me, turkey does not really care about the turkish-cypriot community but only to fulfil its own goals in east meditteranean through a permanent presence in Cyprus.
ITS US, THE CYPRIOTS WHO NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER AND FIND A SOLUTION WHICH WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR OURSELVES!
Wait wait. Did the British, French, American , German INVADED AND DISPLASED 260.000 PEOPLE AND UN-ALIVED THOUSANDS OF CYPRIOTS? NO! IT WAS TURKEY WHO DID THOSE ATROCITIES THATS WHY YHEY NEED TO PACK IT AND GO!
@@trelliparea6262 I agree with you 👏🏻independent countries do not need guarantors! Well.. ours did nothing good for us; a coup and an invasion…
Great Effort Fedia but sadly sound is terrible.
İbrahim reis
poly kali protovoulia, tin alli fora an ginete me mikrofona na einai o hxos kai gia tous theates apo konta kai apo to spiti opws prepei.
Fidias could had been a better moderator rather than recklessly shouting to the audience "i love you". Nevertheless this initiative reflects a well rounded effort.
During the program everything was going smoothly and friendly until someone said that Nicos Anastasiadis left the table in crans montana. The reaction of andreas was; " this is not true, he was in the photograph taken at the end of the negotiations so he did not leave crans montana" as if turkish negotiator meant that anastasiades got up and left the conferance. At the beginning I was thinking if this was a joke or not. Both negotiators said that they put too much effort and they reached to an aggreement on most of the subjects with very high percentages. They reached to such a point that they were invited to crans montana to finalize the agreement in the presence of community leaders and garantor powers as well. The method was to finalize the aggrement by give and take method for example one side would sacrifice on security issues and gain on property issues. So the bargain was very important and as a necessity of the method both sides preferred to play the game with closed cards to have the chance for bargain. Then all of a sudden Anastasiades puts forward a precondition on the issue of garantor powers and demands an immediate answer which was totally against the flow of method of the negotiations at such an important point that Turkey for the first time ever accepted to sacrifice about garantor powers. At this stage secretary general says the talks not going on anywhere so there is no need to continue. So the conference ended up because of Anastasiades. Even at this crusial point the two negotiators can not agree on who was responsible for the failure of the conferance. Sooo in the light of these facts how can someone expect a solution in cyprus.
My friend, I am sorry but I will have to dissagree with you.
First and foremost, the fact that the turkish-cypriot delegation argues that the greek-cypriot side attempted to bargain on the terms and was not willing to make concessions is not true. And this is clearly being proven in the video, simply because when Mr Nami said that the greek-cypriot side was not willing to openly discuss about its proposals, Mr Mavroyiannis immediately replied by saying that the greek-cypriot delegation was the ONLY one from all five delegations participating in the negotiation process which SUBMITTED IN WRITING its proposals as regards to the six major points of the negotiation. When Mr Mavroyiannis replied with that statement, Mr Nami didn't show any sings of denying it (which therefore implies that what Mr Mavroyiannis said is the truth). Therefore, I do not think that there can be a valid statement that the greek-cypriot delegation attempted to use a bargain advantage since it was the ONLY delegation which SUBMITTED IN WRITING its proposals.
What also needs to be understood by the turkish-cypriot delegation is that the issue of security is of key importance for the greek-cypriot community. The presence of turkish troops on the island and their ability to intervene as a guarantor power means that the greek-cypriot lives will be under a constant threat of being massacared or being endangered. It is those exact powers which led to the invasion and the loss of so many lives in 1974. With that being said, we obviously do understand that turkish-cypriots feel threatened due to the events that took place between 1963-74 which began with the bicommunal tensions in December of 1963. But turkey is grey zone for the greek-cypriot delegation because its a constant threat for us. Of course, let me clarify that no greek troops should remain on the island either nor should greece be a guarantor power (and that's exactly what has been proposed by the greek-cypriot delegation as explained by Mr Mavroyiannis in a greek-speaking podcast)!
Undoubtetly, a solution which will ensure that both communities will feel safe and secured is of course required. But such a solution cannot involve any troops presence nor any guarantor powers (both greece and turkey). At the end of the day my friend, believe me, turkey does not really care about the turkish-cypriot community but only to fulfil its own goals in east meditteranean through a permanent presence in Cyprus. ITS US, THE CYPRIOTS WHO NEED TO TRUST EACH OTHER AND FIND A SOLUTION WHICH WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR OURSELVES!
I partially agree with your statement but after this video i really thing that the issue will be solved with future presidents because most people of the two sides really want. I hope it will!
@@trelliparea6262 it was clearly stated by both negotiators that at this last stage of the conference in crans montana the method was give and take. To compromise in one and to gain on the other. So my understanding is that at this stage you can not come out and put a condition. If you had that condition you should have put it far before you went to crans montana.
@@tanjucandas4145 a give and take process cannot be the way forward when discussing about a solution which will involve a state where human beings are going to live in. It is not a bazar, it is a state which involves human lives. It is a place where people need to feel safe. Where they need to know that their lives and their identity will not be under threat. That is going to be longlasting and propserous. I doubt that this is what was being said or meant. And it is very well known to the UN and the turkish as well as the turkish-cypriot delegation that the issue of security and guarantess is a grey-zone because it simply relates to the greek-cypriots survival.
@@trelliparea6262 was it clearly stated by both negotiators that it was a give an take method at crans montana? As far as I understood the answer is yes. If you dont agree with this then it is another matter
Λογαριάζετε χωρίς τον ξενοδόχο. Αδικος ο κόπος σας.
Ακόμη μιά αποτυχία.😢
@Aristos-u4l to na exun mia epikinwnia sinexia estw kai an eine o laos mono tou den eine kako. An perimenoun apo 3enodoxous kaikame.
@mrk1224 επειδή ξεχνάς ή αν είσαι νεαρός δεν γνωρίζεις να σε πληροφορησω λίγα πράγματα να μάθεις.
1ον οι Τούρκοι είναι εχθροί μας.
Το 2004 στο δημοψήφισμα. του σχεδίου Ανάν οι τ/κ στην μεγάλη τους πλειοψηφία ψήφισαν ΝΑΙ. Δηλαδή διχοτόμηση.
2ον στην παράνομη τουρκική εισβολή οι Τούρκοι σκότωσαν έξι χιλιάδες Ε/κ και δύο χιλιάδες αγνοουμένους.
3ον εκτόπισαν διακόσιες χιλιάδες πρόσφυγες.
4ον κατακρατούν γιά πενήντα χρόνια τα εδάφη μας.
5ον κατά την διάρκεια της εισβολής βίαζαν και
βασάνιζαν Ε/κ.
6ον απειλούν την Ελλαδα και απαιτούν το μισό Αιγαίο και ολόκληρη την Κυπρο.
Η Δ.Δ.Ο θα είναι η καταστροφή της Κύπρου,
δηλ. εκ περιτροπής προεδρία και συνεταιρικό κράτος κ.α δεινά. Αν αγαπάς την Πατρίδα σου πρέπει να είσαι πατριώτης, να υπερασπίζεις την οικογενεια σου και τον τόπο που γεννήθηκες.
Αν συνεχίζεις να διαφωνείς μην μου ξαναγράψεις σχόλιο.
@mrk1224 ΝΤΡΟΠΗ ΣΑΣ ΗΤΤΟΠΑΘΕΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΙΙΔΟΤΕΣ, ΦΙΛΟΤΟΥΡΚΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΙΛΟΙ.
@@mrk1224 μόνοντον Γιάννο Χαραλαμπίδη να παρακολουθείς και ΟΧΙ τα κοπελλούθκια. Παρασύρεσαι εύκολα. Την πολιτική με σοβαρούς ανθρώπους μαθαίνεις την αλήθεια.
Ευτυχώς είρτεν ο φίλος σου ο τούρκος ρε, εβοήθησεν πολλά
Μπορεί να μην μίλησε πολύ αλλά καλά που ήρθε έστω και συμβολικά ως η αντιπροσωπεία ενός νέου Τουρκοκύπριου.
Ἂν ἐμίλαν ἦταν να εὕρεις κάτι νὰ πεῖς γιὰ τζεῖνον ποὺ εἶπε. Τωρὰ ποὺ ἒν ἐμίλησε, ἐνῷ ἐμποροῦσες νὰ σεβαστεῖς τὸ γεγονὸς ὅτι ἀντιλαμβάνεται πὼς ἒν ἔσιει γνώσην περὶ τοῦ θέματος, τζαὶ γι' αὐτὸν ἐπέλεξεν νὰ μὲν μιλήσει, αντ' αὐτοῦ σχολιάζεις τον ὅτι "ἒν ἐβοήθησε". Ἡ ἄρνηση ὁδηγεῖ μόνον σὲ παραπάνω ἄρνηση.
Ἐπίσης νὰ ποῦμεν κάτι ποὺ ἂν τὸ ἐκαταλαβαίναμεν ὀμπρίττερα σὰν λαός, ἒν θὰ εἴχαμεν τοῦν'τὰ προβλήματα σήμερα·
Οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι δὲν εἶναι Τοῦρκοι, εἶναι ἀπόγονοι ἐξισλαμισθέντων Ἑλλήνων τῆς Κύπρου ἀπὸ τὴν ἐποχὴν τῆς Οθωμανικῆς κατοχῆς. Στὸ γαῖμαν ἔν' Ἕλληνες. Μόνον πολιτισμικὰ ἔν' διαφορετικοί 'ποὺ τοὺς Ἑλληνοκυπρίους, τζαὶ ἐπίσης οἱ παραπάνω Τουρκοκύπριοι ἐξέραν να συντυχάννουν Ἑλληνικά, εἰδικὰ πρὶν το 1974.
English and especially French mourn today. Otherwise, on topic, these people are out of their minds. The only viable solution is liberation from Turkish occupation
Kali glastra o pareas sou o tourkokiprios
Να βάλεις υπότιτλους
Αντιλαμβανεται ο Φειδιας οτι βρισκεται σε κινδυνο η εθνικη επιβιωση και η φυσικη υπαρξη των Κυπριων στην πατριδα τους; πολυ αμφιβαλλω...
Λόγον παρ’ εχθρού μη ποθ’ ηγήση φίλον.
- Τα λόγια του εχθρού σου μην τα θεωρήσεις ποτέ φιλικά.
Μένανδρος
Λέγεται ὅτι στὴν κατεχόμενην Κύπρον οἱ παράνομοι Τοῦρκοι ἔποικοι συνιστοῦν περίπου τὸ 67% τοῦ πληθυσμοῦ. Τὸ ὑπόλοιπο 33% (μπορεῖ νὰ‘ν’ τζαὶ πολλὺν τὸ ποσοστὸν ποὺ γράφω) ἔν’ οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι ποὺ ἐπαραμείνασιν εἰς τὴν Κύπρο. Ὁπότε μὲ τὶς παράνομες ἐκλογὲς ποὺ γίνουνται στὰ κατεχόμενα ἒν ἐκλέγεται ἀντιπρόσωπος τῶν Τουρκοκυπρίων, ἀλλὰ ἐκλέγεται ἀντιπρόσωπος τῶν ἐποίκων. Ἐὰν πραγματικὰ θέλουμεν νὰ συνομιλοῦμε μὲ ἀντιπρόσωπον τῶν Τουρκοκυπρίων, τότε χρειάζεται νὰ ὀργανωθοῦν ἐκλογικὰ κέντρα σὲ περιοχὴ ποὺ ἐλέγχεται ‘ποὺ τὰ Ἡνωμένα Ἔθνη (π.χ. στὸ Ἀεροδρόμιο τῆς Λευκωσίας, στὴν Πύλα, στὴν Ἀθηένου), ὅπου νὰ περνοῦν ‘ποὺ τζειαμαὶ οὗλλοι οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι τζαὶ νὰ ψηφίζουν τὸν ἀντιπρόσωπόν τους σὲ περιοχὴ ποὺ δὲν ἐλέγχεται ‘ποὺ τὴν κατοχικὴν Τουρκία. Εἰδ’ ἄλλως ἒν συνομιλοῦμεν μὲ ἀντιπρόσωπον τῶν Τουρκοκυπρίων, ἀλλὰ μὲ ἀντιπρόσωπον τῶν παρανόμων Τούρκων ἐποίκων.
Ἕναν τζι ἕναν κάμνουν δκυό… οὗλλοι οἱ ἰθαγενεὶς Κυπραῖοι («Ἑλληνοκύπριοι», «Τουρκοκύπριοι») ἔχουμεν τὸ ἴδιον γαῖμα... βάσει ἐρευνῶν τζι ὅλας, οὖλλοι οἱ ἰθαγενεῖς Κυπραῖοι ἔχουμεν Ἑλληνικὴν καταγωγή. Ἡ μόνη διαφορὰ μεταξὺ «Ἑλληνοκυπρίων» τζαὶ «Τουρκοκυπρίων» ἔν’ ἡ πολιτισμική («Ἑλληνοκύπριοι»: Ἕλληνες Ρωμηοί , «Τουρκοκύπριοι»: τουρκόφωνοι κοσμικοὶ Σουνίτες Μουσουλμάνοι).
Οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι δὲν εἶναι Τοῦρκοι, εἶναι ἀπόγονοι ἐξισλαμισθέντων Ἑλλήνων τῆς Κύπρου ἀπὸ τὴν ἐποχὴν τῆς Οθωμανικῆς κατοχῆς. Στὸ γαῖμαν ἔν’ Ἕλληνες. Μόνον πολιτισμικὰ ἔν’ διαφορετικοί 'ποὺ τοὺς Ἑλληνοκυπρίους, τζαὶ ἐπίσης οἱ παραπάνω Τουρκοκύπριοι ἐξέραν να συντυχάννουν Ἑλληνικά, εἰδικὰ πρὶν το 1974.
Ἐὰν οἱ Τουρκοκύπριοι θέλουν νὰ κανονίζουν τὰ ἐσωτερικὰ κοινοτικά τους θέματα μεταξύν τους, ἂς τὸ κάμουν, ὥστε νὰ μὲν κατηγοροῦν τοὺς Ἑλληνοκύπριους ἡγέτες γιὰ τὰ ἐνδοκοινοτικά τους προβλήματα. Τζαὶ ‘γειά τους τζαὶ χαρά τους. Ἐμεῖς σὰν Κύπριοι ὅμως θέλουμεν τὰ ἑξῆς:
α) Ἀποχώρηση ὅλων τῶν κατοχικῶν καὶ λοιπῶν στρατευμάτων τῆς Τουρκίας ἀλλὰ καὶ ὅλων τῶν ξένων στρατευμάτων ἀπὸ τὴν Κύπρο (Βρεττανικῶν, Ἑλλαδικῶν-NATOϊκῶν, κ.λπ.)
β) Ἀποχώρηση ὅλων τῶν Τούρκων ἐποίκων ποὺ διαμένουν παράνομα στὴν Κύπρο
γ) Ἀνάκτηση τοῦ δικαιώματος διαχείρισης περιουσίας ὅλων τῶν Ἑλληνοκυπρίων προσφύγων στὴν σήμερα κατεχόμενη περιοχὴ τῆς Κύπρου
δ) Ἐπιστροφὴ ὅσων Κυπρίων προσφύγων θέλουν, εἴτε Ἑλληνοκυπρίων, εἴτε Τουρκοκυπρίων, στὶς πατρογονικές τους ἑστίες
ε) Περιβάλλον εἰρήνης, ἀσφάλειας, ἐλεύθερης διακίνησης καὶ ἐλεύθερης ἐγκατάστασης σὲ ὅλη τὴν ἔκταση τῆς Κύπρου
στ) Ἰσονομία μεταξὺ ὅλων τῶν πολιτῶν (ὄχι πολιτικὴ ἰσότητα μεταξὺ τοῦ 82% καὶ τοῦ 18%)
Τοῦτον ποὺ δὲν μᾶς ἀπαντᾶτε εἶναι, θα γίνει κάτι ‘ποὺ ὅσα ἐσυναφέραμεν πιὸ πάνω; Ὀξὰ ἓν νὰ περιπαιζούμαστεν ἁπλὰ ὥσπου πάει;
Ἔν’ ξεκάθαρον ὅτι τὸ πρόβλημαν ἒν ἔν’ ἡ πολιτισμικὴ διαφορὰ μεταξὺ Ἑλληνοκυπρίων τζαὶ Τουρκοκυπρίων, ἀλλὰ το πρόβλημαν ἔν’ η πολιτικὴ διαφορά. Ἐβάλαν μας νὰ τρωούμαστεν μεταξὺ μας σὰν νὰ εἴμαστεν 2 λαοί, ἐνῷ στὴν πραγματικότηταν εἴμαστεν ἕνας λαός. ‘Ποὺ τοῦτον τὸ status quo ἐπωφελοῦνται συγκεκριμένα ἄτομα, εἴτε Ἑλληνοκύπριοι, εἴτε Τουρκοκύπριοι, ποὺ συγκεντρώνουν πάνω τους πολιτικὲς τζαὶ οἰκονομικὲς ἐξουσίες. Γιὰ νὰ ἔχουν τοῦτοι οἱ ὀλιγάρχες τὰ προνόμια ποὺ ἔχουν, ὑποφέρουμεν οὗλλοι οἱ ὑπόλοιποι, εἴτε Τοῦρκοι, εἴτε Ρωμηοί.
Cyprus is Greek 🇬🇷🇨🇾
yes a little bit turksih, and little bit of everything. eixame vasilia palia, elliniki mporei na itan polla palia.
@@mrk1224 abutted bit of everything? That's the turk. No longer 100% Mongol but a mixed fruit salad, dna doesn't lie but dna testing banned in turkey.
@@mrk1224 ti les re, aman leei elliniki ennoei upo elladas? ksipna
@@0xbillybambam egw na ksipnisw , i esi lol. Nmz oti thes katalaves. Otan leei elliniki enoei anikei stin Tourkia.
Cyprus is only Cyprus.. Cyprus need more patriots.
Χωρίς ίχνος ειρωνείας θέλω να ρωτήσω τον Φειδια πως μπορεί να συζητά ένα τόσο μεγάλο και σοβαρό θέμα όσο το κυπριακό;;;;
Δυστυχώς φίλε μου δεν πάει έτσι!!!Για να συζητήσει κάποιος πρέπει να γνωρίζει μέσα έξω την ιστορία,όλες τις πλευρές να είναι ενήμερος για την κάθε λεπτομέρεια.
γιαυτο εφερε τους επιστημονες εκει , ειδες καθολου ποιους ειχε
Ξέρουμεν ὅμως κανέναν ἄθρωπον ποὺ τὰ ξέρει οὗλλα 'π' ὄξω τζι ἀνακατωτά; Ἔν' ἡ πολλὴ "προετοιμασία" ποὺ μᾶς ἔφαε. Ναὶ ἔν' καλὸν νὰ ξέρουμεν κάποια βασικὰ πράματα, ἀλλὰ ἐξ ἴσου βασικὸν ἔνι νὰ ξεκινοῦμεν κάτι. Ἡ ἀρκὴ ἔν' τὸ ἥμισυ τοῦ παντός.
@@floratheodorou9824 exei akousei polla to teleutaio kairo kai kserei arketa, apla mila stin mwrfi pou niwthei aneta, an arxisei na filtrarei to eauto tou logika tha stamatisei na skeftete. Eine apomenos alla kserei oso kratame apostaseis o kosmos den tha enowthei... Twra an thelune Kipro elliniki eine allo thema pou den to vlepw na ginete. Ektos an ginei toso kali i zwi kai i xwra mas eine filiki wste oi Tourkokiprioi na pistevun exoun perisotera dikaiwmata kato apo Ellines para stin Tourkia.
Όχι δεν πρέπει
Το κάνει ο Φειδίας γιατί; Γιατι μπορεί και θέλει. επίσης ο Φειδιας δεν είπε κατι έφερε τους ανθρώπους που διαπραγματευόταν το Κυπριακό τόσα χρόνια. Επίσης πες μας ποιος εν ο ειδικός; Ο Φειδίας χωρίς να ξέρει ενημερώνει τους ανθρώπους μέσα από την πηγή και μόνο έτσι πάμε μπροστά αλλιώς ξέχασε και το μέλλον. Θα περιμένουμε μόνο για θαύμα.
,Δεν ακούεται ΤΙΠΟΤΕ
Τα πρωτα 1-2 λεπτά έχουν τεχνικές δυσκολίες! Κάνε το fast forward και αξίζει να το παρακολουθήσεις.
Fidias is a joke
έλα εσύ ήρθες τώρα να μας πείς αυτό. κλάψε
Yes... He didn't learn how watanic is European Union.
As your life is
Sometimes looks Karagiozis but he is who is he. I stop to see any more when he makes appomata.
I thing today represent the junger people of boths sides who see the reality and the future.
@@stoso9864 yes life is a joke and so you should try to be a joke sometimes cause we all going to the same place, some will be remembered as a joke and some will not be remembered at all cause they never existed. Or their existance wasnt so important to know who they were.
The Greeks' strategy of refusing all peace plans to force the Turkish side to make more concessions hit a solid rock at Crans-Montana. It was the last stop for a federal solution in Cyprus. The Turkish side will not sit at the table unless the Greek side accepts a two-state solution as a precondition. Also, membership in the EU lost its importance for the Turkish side, so there is no incentive the EU can use anymore on the Cyprus issue. The Greek side will never agree to a two-state solution, which means the status quo will remain in Cyprus for the foreseeable future. In any case, a federal solution in Cyprus will lead to renewed intercommunal fighting and bloodshed, which will create another Lebanon. 1955-1974 were years of communal infighting and bloodshed. A federal solution will bring these dark/bloody days back, so continuing the status quo is the best option if Cyprus is to avoid becoming another Lebanon.
There is no possibility that the greek-cypriot side will accept a two-state solution simply because the so called "TRNC" emerged as a result of a forceful invasion.
What also needs to be understood is that there is a wrong impression about the greek-cypriots trying to make the turkish-cypriot side to make more concessions, on the contrary, the greek-cypriot side is only trying to find a balance between making equal concessions with the turkish-cypriot side but on a basis of what would be fair, longlasting and propserous.
Unfortunately, what seems to emerge from the discussion between Mr Mavrogiannis and Mr Nami is that our turkish-cypriot compatriots (due to the fear that they have from the events between 1963-1974 and especially the events of 1963-64 and which is completely understandable on their behalf to be insecure about) is that without them realising it (or at least that's what I hope), they may want certain terms which are actually more in turkey's favour rather than the turkish-cypriot communities favour (e.g., the issue of securities and guarantees). What the turkish-cypriot community has to realise is that turkey does not really care about them but only cares to ensure that its goals as a super-power will be met. Therefore, the turskish-cypriot community needs to raise its own voice and try to think what will be beneficial for the community and not for turkey as a super power.
I hope that our turkish-cypriot compatriots will realise that and the Cyprus issue will soon find its solution.
Peace? What about freedom?
Take your pills as your doctor advised because you make no sense.
Cyprus has no benefits to recognise an northern state. Cyprus is the legitimate owner of the whole island. Stay isolated.
Said like a mainland Turk. The green line has been transversible for the past 20 years. Not a single death has occurred. Cyprus can unite peacefully.
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