Seeing Ray realize that he was talking to Egon's granddaughter was amazing. This film truly has the heart and soul of a generational film that honors the original *_Ghostbusters_* films.
I absolutely love how Ray clearly resented Egon, but hearing that he died only filled his heart with pain. He had spent the last chunk of his life hoping that he'd be able to forgive his best friend and now it was too late.
@@Michaelkayslay In this scene Ray said "Egon Spangler and rot in Hell" and then told the story of how he fell out with the others. What I liked about it was how Ray, in spite of his anger of Egon, was very saddened by his passing
I came here to say something very similar. Ray held such resentment, as we all can. But at the end of the day we will always care. Hearing that Egon died, Rays voice changed between those two lines in such a significant way.
She really delivered that whole scene beautifully and reached out to someone that her Grandfather was once friends with and a close colleague still mind blowing that we all grew up with them and 30 plus years later we get to see them again
This was Dan's way of saying goodbye to Harold. Must have been real tough for the three of them and yet, it's perfect. Also, hearing Akroyd talking about atoms and science in the extras made my day.
@@Ben-pd2bx You didn't like it, ok. It's not a perfect movie? Yes, We get it. Try Frozen 2, Jurassic World and the third Star Wars trilology. If those ain't a mess, then Hell is all ice. And don't even start with Matrix 4
@@Ben-pd2bx I got question. Were you actually paying attention or just looking for gaps? Cuz the movie DOES give u hints. But again, you didn't like it. Fine. DONT watch the clips. Some of us did and could use some conversation instead for this argument . Thank you
@@Ben-pd2bx Egon didn't went crazy. He kept on researching and found out that Gozer could return, so he decided to take action. Problem was the others were already having their own lives outside the GB business, that has broke, by the way. Hence, they didn't believe him. And when Egon saw how dangerous it was, decided to not involve anybody else. Hence, no photo. Ray thought Egon was just not willing to let go. And as for the trap, it was his way of saying "This is important". Todo bad he couldn't talk. There u go. All of them in one go. Paying attention and hearing Akroyd's insight really pays off. Good afternoon
RIP Harold Ramis (November 21, 1944 - February 24, 2014), aged 69 And RIP Ivan Reitman (October 27, 1946 - February 12, 2022), aged 75 You both will be remembered as legends.
@@brianrose8772Jason also appeared in the second movie. He was the kid who said to Ray that his father said they were full of crap. Ironically enough, that kid in that scene was also named Jason.
This acting in this film is as great as the originals. Theres heart and depth. You feel Rays resentment towards Egon, but you also see how the weight of knowing his old friend died hit him. Its also when realizing his old friends granddaughter needed them, maybe in that moment Ray realized, if he couldn't save Egon, he could try to save his family.
@MoonwalkerWorshiper actually it was just as strong. It's just that younger men have different emotions. As they aged they changed became more nostalgic
Ray: crap… I gotta make some calls. Peter: I feel a disturbance. And for once, I wanna embrace it. Winston: there’s a chill in the air, we’re back baby! Egon: good to see the old team back together one last time.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiperactually they were in the second film. Egon and Peters resentment was showing in the bookstore scene. It was their mindset and outlook and the way they treated each other in the second one when they fell in the slime .I think was letting us know how they really felt about beach other. So the split was bound to happen. Plus Ray beliefs changed over the years. Which I think drove to his Disagreements with Egon's. Ray kept switching up in the second film..he really was deep into Occult Vs Scientific theories so kinda an open book. Egon was straight forward ends justifies the means kind a guy but very much hard knowledge into world history. In turn this movie shows it. He was practically Nostradamus in the Millennium . Peter the Psychic but probably had self doubts and probably got sued by his tv show and just went through life. Winston wasn't like the rest but sadly carried the weight of the world on his shoulders. Ironically Egon's work unravels into Chaos in this one.
I love how this scene closes the gap between what's happened from the end of II, up to now. Ray's heartfelt look of absolute loss and grief hearing Egon died is such a blow to him, because they were friends for the longest time. I love Ray recapping what's happened and how the Ghostbusters ended, it's a memory he didn't like to relive, but had to because some kid called him up. This was the definitive scene that brought this whole movie together and I love it!
Just in case you didn't know about it, there is a Ghostbusters video game which is an unofficial Ghostbusters 3, it had everyone in int except Sigourney Weaver. The cutscenes are on youtube if you're interested.
@@kitsunisanIs that even canon still because it should be not to?Mention afterlife in frozen empire feel like fourth and fifth installments instead then a third and four
The memory of egon hits rey hard. The feels go beyond acting dan really miss harold for us to see. Rey Stanz is truly the heart of the team. RIP Harold Ramis / Egon Spengler.
I wish that after Ray hung up that there would have been another scene where he picks up the phone and calls either Peter or Winston. He wouldn't have had to say anything except, "Peter, this is Ray. I just got a call from Egon's granddaughter."
If I’m not mistaken isn’t there a deleted scene between Winston and Janine? I wonder if it was decided to make the focus of the Movie about Spengler’s daughter and grandchildren? If you start throwing in too many scenes with the OG not only do you shift that focus away from the New Generation but you ruin the big surprise at the end
It feels like some one forced them to focus on the kids to much. Hollywood in their standard idiotic approach thinks that you should focus on the popular actor they hired (stranger things is brain dead and overrated) instead of the story. Also Hollywood just because your making a movie for kids dose not mean you have to cast kids in it. Kids want to be adults and adults don't want to watch kids doing a bunch of unrealistic crap for 90 minutes.
1:38 McKenna Grace put on quite the performance for this. You’d physically see and hear a gulp here, as she is fighting the lump in her throat, and the urge to cry. That and the voice breaking at “He died last week.” We see her let it out in the background at the end of the movie. Really adds to the narrative that Phoebe had far more emotional ability than she showed to others, either because she was always trying to bury it, or didn’t know how to properly express it.
Left out the 5 seconds before this which is one of the best parts of the movie! The way this movie worked in “Who you gonna call?” into actual dialog was so well done! And Bokeem Woodbine delivered it perfectly too.
I smiled when he said it. I think I said "Ghostbuster". Ackroyd had a cameo in "Casper the friendly ghost" he used that now famous line. He also answered his own question. He said some thing like "Someone else!"
@@MartyMcFly88 I rolled my eyes slightly, but the more I thought about it, it feels like they worked it in well. There was going to be at least one point where they used it anyway, so I'm glad they at least put in the effort to make it clever.
This kid has a very bright future ahead of her in acting. Because she blew the part out of the water, it was played to perfecting, i dare say she was the best actor in the entire movie, besides the original ghostbusters. Hopefully she turns up in the sequel.
Dan Aykroyd could have just phoned this scene in, and just said the lines, but he put the exact right kind of emotion into it when he talked about how Egon just took everything and left. You can hear the hurt and betrayal in his voice. Still the heart of the Ghostbusters.
You're right about Dan Aykroyd being a good actor but wrong about it being the heart of Ghostbusters. Firehouse being it's old self or Starbucks, logic doesn't matter in crap movies. Everything is contradictory, upsidedown, inverted, wrong. The firehouse could've been a Ghostbuster museum with proton packs and Ecto 1 at display.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiperI'm pretty sure they did that before buying back the house. Because it shows you how far the world has moved on. That has Squandered the help of the Ghostbusters, which is why I don't help the world. I help myself, because despite everything eventually they'll hate you.If you get that reference.
Oh yeah finding out that the Ghostbusters broke up because they're a bunch of morons that abandoned their friend and left him to die because he didn't show them any of the proof of things he found (like the temple). This movie is not for the fans this is a member berries shit fest
@@grkpektis I didn't like what they did with the original cast, just didn't buy into it. You can see they're very close friends that work very well together in GB1 & 2, they way they were portrait in AL just seemed wrong and didn't seem to fit the respected relationship between them all. I don't know... i know time has passed since GB2 but it just seemed off.
@@leecroft1983 Life happened. I had great friends in my early years that I no longer see after we just drifted apart. Priorities change, etc. It;s no malicious it just the way it is.
@@Ben-pd2bx the ONLY garbage in this thread is your mind, if you had EVER watched ANY of the first 2 GB's (Not the 2016 SHITSHOW) you would understand EVERY thing in this scene
"Egon Spengler was my grandfather" - The girl was damned lucky to get that out to Ray before the connection was cut by the cop, it made all the difference!
@Jay M It's obviously what we deserved because it has sold at least 100 fold more copies than the 2016 flop that was so bad they couldn't even give it away for free
I love GB1 & 2 so was really hyped for this movie but... i don't know, it just couldn't really get into in it. Just thought it was flat, not much really to it. One of those movies where if you watched the trailer you have pretty much watched 80% of what happens. I don't know.
I liked this movie. At least with this one, I didn't cringe as hard as I did when I watched that stupid 2016 movie. I feel this one was an apology for the mistake we got 6 years ago.
@@Josh_D78 It was also so bad, the planned sequel was immediately cancelled. I would have hated to see what that would have been like. Wait, I think I know. More fart (or queef) jokes. Melissa McCarthy trying to have all the screen time. Plus whatever other garbage was in that movie that, thankfully, I cannot remember, but would have been more of in the cancelled sequel.
@Jay M Yea, it sucked so bad it was significantly better than the 2016 movie. The one where the director cried to Sony to include his film in the Ghostbuster legacy pack they were releasing before the THIRD real movie was set to release.
I felt so sad and the emotional pain in this clip I could imagine Ray standing up digging through his basement finding the pack while fubling with his phone staring at a picture of the four of them "Oscar! I need you to call your dad now ! "
@@Agent_1701-D my idea is the near the end of the credits bit where they are talking in Winston's office is when Ray and Petter barge in in full gear yelling loudly Ray manically flipping through tobins spirit guide
I feel like the sequence of events that led to the Original GBs coming to help in the end played out something like this... -Egon told Janine of his plan to trap Gozer before the start of Afterlife, and asks her to do 3 things and to Check on him/visit regularly. And if he should no longer be of this world on one of her check-ins, for her to..... 1. Make sure his last will and testament was enforced, giving Callie the house. 2. Tell Callie (hense the phone call) 3. Tell Peter, Winston, and Ray, With Ray being the last, because Egon knew that his word, whether direct or indirect through Janine wouldn't be enough to convince him after the nature of their parting of ways. It would likely take the convincing of the others to finally get Ray back aboard this train... -After meeting with Callie, Trevor and Phoebe, while the events of the next couple days plays out in Summerville, Janine flies back to New York, and meets with Dana and Peter AFTER the post-credits scene cuts off (where Dana was using the cards and shocking Peter.). Janine explains that something is going on in Summerville, and eventhough Peter is VERY reluctant at first (still feeling hurt by Egon's departure with their equipment, minus Peter, Ray, and Winston's proton Packs and Uniforms.), but after Janine explains that Egon had passed, Peter with his heart of gold feels like he needs to go, not just to help the Spengler family, but for a sense of closure. Peter's heart of gold would shine through here. Then We see Janine paying Winston a visit in his office (2nd post-credits scene). Winston isn't as hard to convince as Peter and Ray would be. Then we see Ray in his Occult Book Store. Ray and Phoebe had just spoken on the phone. Ray was about to inquire for more information, as well as mourn the loss of his old friend, lamenting the time that was spent hating him. Ray wished that there was something he could do to help the Spengler's, and make it up to Egon, because he felt he owed his old friend that much, and get closure as well. Then suddenly, a familiar face reappears. One that Ray likely hasn't seen or heard from for some time, probably because of how close she was to Egon. However, after the conversation he just had with Phoebe, Ray would be more likely to hear Janine out, half guessing what this contact/visit was about before she even spoke a word. Winston would then front the travel expenses for himself, Ray and Peter, and then after days flight, likely on a private plane/jet, makes it out to Summerville. And if Janine hadn't informed them of where Egon's farmhouse was, I'm sure the swirling vortex of clouds with glowing lights coming out of it would've been a major clue.
@@youkai3785 & have them pull up in a limo the moment after Callie possessed by Zuul busts through the window & the kids run out behind her. Louis Tully is the limo driver & he opens the door with the music from GB2 when they go into the museum to investigate the Vigo painting. & Winston sends Louis to a hotel in Tulsa to wait for him to call Louis. Louis then says to the kids "Don't worry about anything. Even that weird woman that just burst through the window. Even if any of you turn into a dog dont worry. I turned into a dog once & these guys saved me! So they're ok! I gotta go to the hotel now. Gotta have a shower!" Then he cant open the limo door for a few seconds while everybody else looks on in amusement. I think we just needed a little more of the original Ghostbusters & wish Rick Moranis would have done something in this movie. Afterlife would have been perfect if we could have gotten just a little bit more with the ogs
1:40 hearing Ray say that and everything else makes us realize we grew up with them during those times and now seeing them 30 plus years later is really bittersweet such an a amazing moment
Dan Aykroyd received an Academy Award Nomination for Supporting Actor for his role of Boolie Werthan in DRIVING MISS DAISY. Denzel Washington won that year for GLORY. Thanks for honoring Harold's artistry and humanity.
A lot of people say Ray seems a bit out of character in this scene, in that it’s not like him to be bitter or not believing Egon despite everything they’ve been through and seen. Tbh I think this brings a lot more depth to the characters. Let me explain. It’s several years after defeating Vigo in 1989 (or Shandor in 1991), the paranormal activity is starting to drop, finances are becoming an issue and there seems to be no sign of another Big Twinkie/World threatening entity, yet Egon keeps insisting to the guys that the apocalypse is coming and in the process he scares off any chances the guys have with clients to maintain their business. Idk about you but if I were Ray, I would MOST definitely be concerned and angry at him for what’s happening to him and what he’s doing. Cause again, even though there was absolutely NO signs or suspicions about any upcoming threat that could destroy the world, Egon is still frantically saying that the world is gonna end, so why believe him? Ray and the others would presume that he’s suffering a mental breakdown and when he cleaned out the firehouse, the guys would’ve been like, “That’s it!! Egons gone nuts and we’re not gonna last longer as the ghostbusters so let’s walk away!!” Although after the anger tones down, I imagine Ray would suddenly feel sad that he essentially just lost one of his best friends and can’t really do anything to help him. Then when Egon phoned him a decade later and is still acting as frantic and insane as he did back then, Ray would’ve been thinking “Oh god he hasn’t regained any sanity back since then…..” So yeah I think his attitude is justified. Although instead of saying he can rot in hell, he should’ve said something like this to show he still somewhat worry about him, Phoebe: “I’m…I’m calling about Egon Spengler.” Ray: (in a bit of a stern/worry delivery) “….Egon Spengler. What about him whats he done this time?” Phoebe: (surprised and confused) “Well…He died last week.” Ray: (instantly saddened) “ (pause) Ah man. No kidding.”
But see that's the thing, I think that's exactly where Ray's mind was going, until Phoebe said _"Egon Spengler was my grandfather. "_ and the tone shifted. Because now Ray is realizing, Egon went off and had a family, and this wasn't some crank calling Ray, it was family calling Ray and asking for his help.
Yeah I can understand Ray’s anger and reaction honestly, heck his “Egon Spengler can rot in hell” line feels less like anger and more like disappointment. Honestly the fact that Ray says he wanted to believe Egon speaks volumes to his character that he wanted so badly to believe that there was another shot at The Ghostbusters saving the world but the evidence just wasn’t there and Egon’s attitude made it even harder to believe
Saying Egon can rot in Hell was harsh, but that's what it was meant to be. Ray felt betrayed by a friend so there would be some resentment. I agree with everything else you said.
It was quite harsh for him to say that to a little kid, you'll see how much he regrets it finding out she's related. When theirs falling out among friends people change, resentments hang on. He did the mature thing and wised up.
I loved the realism of this scene. But when Ray said that Egon could rot in hell I (and others) gasped for air. However when he explained why he said that I was like, yeah I'd hate him too. The explanation was very well done. She even understood why. But her loyalty to her grandfather was great. Even after that explanation she remained loyal to him. A very deep scene executed beautifully. Great job.
I think it was kind of dumb for Ray to say that, especially since he said he wanted to believe Egon. I mean, Egon is the reason why the Ghostbusters even exist and also correctly predicted the end of the world in the first movie, where it almost did happen, so it makes no sense for Ray to doubt Egon.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who gasped. All I thought was "What happened?" because I get where friendships can fall apart, even ones that seemed destined to last. But yeah, the explanation was understandable. Such a good scene.
It's still a testament to Dan Aykroyd's acting as evident by Ray's facial expressions and guilt the moment he realized he told a child that her now dead grandfather can rot in Hell.
But the INSTA Regret he felt when Phebs tells him he died was even more gut wrenching cus you SEE despite what egon did Ray still held Egon as a true friend.
@@aaronnantz2289Everything The Star Wars equal trilogy should have done. Especially showing the characters saving the world to last times right? Even mark was very p***** off that he wasn't going to get to hang out with Harrison Ford again, even though that was more of his own fault since he wanted to kill off Han Since he got sick of dealing with star awards fans and such And giving it how it turned out, I can't say, I blame him
This film is sort of an allegory to Harold Ramis and Bill Murray’s friendship. They were friendly up until Groundhog Day (1993) but then they refused to work together again until Ghostbusters (2009). When Harold was on his deathbed, Brian Doyle Murray convinced his brother to finally make amends.
What basically happened; Harold directed Groundhog Day whilst Bill obviously starred in it; they had very different ideas on how to go about the film. Bill wanted to focus on the philosophical elements, whilst Harold wanted to direct it as a comedy first snd foremost. Bill’s known for being a bit temperamental to work with sometimes and he very much was there; the two fell out severely and didn’t speak for over twenty years, barring some brief exchanges at events. Harold was apparently keen to make up, but Bill less so; he barely spoke of Harold in interviews and wouldn’t accept any role Harold offered him. Harold and Bill are both heard in Ghostbusters The Video Game (2009), but recorded their dialogue separately; Bill apparently recorded all his at a golf resort whilst Harold did his at a proper studio with most of the others. Come 2014, Harold’s on his deathbed and Bill’s brother Brian-Doyle urges him to reconcile with Harold, so they do. Bill and Brian now speak fondly of Harold. The real-life estrangement is sort-of mirrored in Afterlife, but to a much lower extent than what happened after Groundhog Day. Nobody really did anyone “dirty”, but the disagreement must have really rankled for two close collaborators to not speak for over two decades.
@@TheBritFromOz008 I think at roughly the same time, Bill Murray was going through the divorce of his wife Margaret Kelly? Or at least, the marriage was not a happy one and divorce was looking like an eventuality.
In 1993, Harold attributed how sour Bill was to “problems going on in his life”, one of which was the divorce. It wasn’t the only thing probably but it certainly wouldn’t have helped matters.
When he said that Egon can rot in hell, I felt the clouds in the sky opened up and God shot a lightning bolt into my soul. I understood Ray's pain about feeling let down by a friend because I've been down that road myself.
I admit like some of the fans, I was taken aback when Ray said Egon should rot in hell. But how they played this out in the story was beautiful. Especially when Ray appologizes to Egon later for not believing him. Of coarse I wonder too about Bill Murray in the last close up considering his last moments in real life with Ramis before he passed away. The look on the actors face really conveys a lot in the performance.
@@joetophat2121 And Janine. If anyone had inside information on what the situation and eventual plan was, it would have been Janine. And I’m willing to bet dollars to Twinkies that Egon left behind some folder that had all the necessary information in the event of his passing, entrusted to Janine when the time came.
As much as I loved Afterlife, we really could have used a few extra scenes with the OG cast. I would love to see Ray trying to convince Peter to get out to Oklahoma.
@@berliner0I'm sure he did, but they had their own problems to deal with at that time and since Egon was going nuts more than usual. It's not that right to entrust him. It's more like, do I trust of how he does things that has always been evident in the films? And they would always question about how he would do things Even dana.
Watch this then go watch the scene where Egon talks to Vinz Clortho near the end of the first movie. Vinz tells Egon everything, he probably started seeing the signs of Gozer's return and panicked. In a way Egon knew Gozer better than anyone.
I think this is one of the best scenes from Afterlife (I lost my grandfather a few years ago so I know how Phoebe feels) and the acting from McKenna and Dan is brilliant. Phoebe does show emotions occasionally and she certainly does some wonderful expressions on that expressive face of hers aswell. Phoebe is neurodivergent so she's on the spectrum and she's super, super intelligent (and funny). Yes she doesn't dress like a girl but she can dress how she likes. This scene was really well written aswell
Well we dont care how she dresses ^^, in the movie she is on the spectrum. She is a nerdy teenager that is willing to save the world. She is a true tomboy thats into science. I really really like her character bc she 100% fits the role of girly tomboy nerd. And she was well written, plus she had her brother and other nerd friend. I loved this movie cant wait for the next one, and yes ive seen the trailer already!
actually i think i saw somewhere an interview where he was asked about the house and he said they lost the house after the first Gozer encounter because they were sued so much.
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Great scene, so marvelously done. Though it tore my heart out to hear Ray say those things about Egon. But sometimes that's what good writing and acting does. It breaks your heart a little bit. And you hope in the end it will be mend.
When I watch this movie, sometimes I think part of the message of the film was being able to say goodbye when you thought you couldn't. Not just for the OG crew, but for Egon's family as well. I don't know how close Harold and Dan were, but when I watch this scene in particular, it makes me wonder if it was in part theraputic to get out some of that emotion over losing a friend. This is in no way denigrating Dan Ackyrod's talent as an actor, as he does fantastically in this scene, but damn, does that emotion really hit hard.
This was great movie and an awesome tribute to Harold. Although, if you notice Bill Murray character is the only one to not make amends with Egon's ghost.
Bill made his peace with Harold before he died, went to visit him a few weeks/days before he passed. Just a good reminder to always try to make things right with the people you hold close. Lord knows I've lost my share even after trying to make it right.
As a huge fan of the original ghostbusters I went to see this at the cinema and I hoped that it would not ruin the first 2 and I now watch this weekly without fail and I hope that there will be a follow on
Then what are you doing here? Stop what you are doing and go watch this movie NOW. Virtually every fan of the original Ghostbusters Movie seems to just love this one. Myself included. I have watched it five times already and still wonder how it turned out so great. A bit different in style than the original ones. Not only a great action comedy movie but with a lot of heart on top. Now go! GOOO!!! ;)
Something I was thinking about in relation to this part: I can't help but feel that there is a deleted scene were Ray, after the call with Phoebe, starts to wonder if Egon was right. After a bit of mental back and forth he calls up Winston and Peter, telling them about his conversation with Phoebe, in the end convincing them that they need to get to Oklahoma on the double.
@@es330td Really wish we could have had that scene shot though. It could even end ambiguously, with a seed of doubt that Venkman would want to be anywhere near this situation. This would preserve the surprise appearance at the end, although when I saw this in the theater I pretty much expected that being that they said they were in the movie and really didnt see them 75% of the movie.
@@rickyhyppa7960 They could have ended this scene with Ray opening a pocket notebook and leafing through to one with U-V-W on the tab, cutting away to one hand picking up a phone, the other dialing and us hearing the phone ring.
Ray and Callie's HUGE resentment towards Egon in Ghostbusters: Afterlife had definitely mirrored the real life relationship of Bill Murray and Harold Ramis. They both involve a once great relationship that turned into hatred in the 1990s, but eventually got to make up with each other many years later as peace before moving on with life.
I'm willing to bet Dan Aykroyd ad-libbed most of this scene before he actually read the whole script. He was wrong about the firehouse and about how Egon took all the proton packs, when the other Ghostbusters clearly had them.
I would love to meet Dan Aykroyd and tell him how much he means to me as an actor. For more than 50 to almost 60 years this incredible man has changed the world in views of Comedy and has worked with the most legendary people in existence. But also if Rays Occult was an actual store I'd like to do a lot of research.
They still sound out of character to me. Ray, much like Aykroyd himself, was the one in the team ready to believe anything. He was the least buisness oriented of the original group. It's so odd that, of all people, HE is the one who does not believe in Egon's warnings. Just like how it's odd that in Frozen Empire, it's Winston of all the people who is recreating and bankrolling the Ghostbusters.
0:55 The slammer, huh? Been there myself… You should listen to the story about how my brother and I were on a mission from God to put the band back together to save our orphanage…
@@doomsday2703 He’s a senator in Payday 2 that hires the gang for several heists like rigging elections, exposing a corrupt democrat and more. At the end of the game it’s also revealed that he, Vlad Kozak, and the dentist are kings that have lived for thousands off years.
any number of reasons why Ray may have been mistaken, it could have been and it went under, they moved sites because of lower profits from the surrounding neighborhood, or the deal fell through due to possible complications at the location, like the rent or costly renovations. I doubt Ray really kept an eagle eye on its current state since he has clearly distanced himself from it, so as far as he knows theres a Starbucks there, and not an abandoned firehouse.
2:07 "...and we lost the firehouse. It's a Starbucks now." At the end of the movie though, you see the firehouse, and it's still the same, just worn down and looks abandoned. It even has the ghost trap installed in the basement.
@@Linmyra Unless Hook and Ladder No. 8 became a Star Bucks in 2020-Now, it was and always has been a functioning firehouse. It was renovated in 2018 and, as far as I can tell, it is still a firehouse.
There are several firehouse's in New York city. The ghostbusters lost their own firehouse but then they found another firehouse at the end of the movie. But granted their own firehouse was torn down for a Starbucks.
Even if Phoebe told the cop who ended her phone call with Ray Stantz selfishly that her grandfather was one of the Ghostbusters who operated in New York City, and that she was talking to one of his friends on the phone, a fellow Ghostbuster, he wouldn't care less.
First time I watched,this was heartbreaking. In between the 2nd movie & the 08 video game,I figured business only got better for the boys,but turns out that wasn't the case. ☹️ It would make sense why Egon just bailed out, since Shandor & Gozer reappeared in the game,he researched and found out those two had more tricks up their sleeves,but Ray of all of em not believing what was going on was questionable after what they've been through.
Man her character really brings Egon's into the things clearly. It was her mannerisms that did it all. She like him in his Adult life and her brother I feel was Egon in his younger years probably with His Daughters mom. Her" awkwardness " was also with his daughter and makes sense. Sadly His daughter didn't see it. Then again the relationship between her daughter and her is everything and at the same time is go sadly Egon to her. Poor Peobe is kinda neglected by her in turn she's the one who has to save her mom. Her character Arc is so brilliant unlike the 2016 film.
Stantz says the firehouse is a starbucks, but **spoiler** The post credits scene show the ecto-1 returning to the old firehouse and the ghost containment system still functioning... who supervises the continuity?
Why do you think Starbucks coffees are so expensive? Lot of power being used. You'd think they notice their abnormally high utility bill and ask some questions.
Has anyone ever noticed that this was the first time in the movies where the car was verbally referred to as Ecto-1 and that the firehouse is in Tribeca? It was nice to actually hear those little details, especially from Dan Aykroyd.
One thought. As done with ghost busting as he sounds in this conversation, he’s only having it because he’s still using their old phone number. He could quite easily have gotten a new phone number when he opened his shop, but after all these years the Ghostbuster’s phone number connects you directly to him.
@@JakeLlavore When I watched this movie for the first time, it shocked me when Mckenna Grace threatened Woodbine with Egon's proton blaster. Jason Reitman did a fantastic job making Grace look like Egon's granddaughter.
I think to make it more believable that Ray wouldn't of believed Egon's rants about the psychic storm he should of said something like "I used to be the one with my head in the esoteric, finding the fringe parts of a case, then it went to egon, and it worried me"
Well _that_ cop is getting his ass fired & sued! Your legally-mandated phone call does not have a time limit, you're guaranteed privacy, and they cannot just decide to cut the call.
Not according to California penal code, which while not applicable in the state this is presumed filmed in at least implies it can apply there without violating federal law. Since it is not a LOCAL call and is being billed to the law enforcement institution, versus calling collect or using a calling card, he was entitled to cancel the call the moment he realized the kid was calling a New York City area code
I know the practical reason was because of Harold Ramis’ death. But i never understood why ray didnt believe Egon. Given their roles if anyone were to have found this out it would have been ray
Seeing Ray realize that he was talking to Egon's granddaughter was amazing. This film truly has the heart and soul of a generational film that honors the original *_Ghostbusters_* films.
& then the realization that Egon is dead. A mixed bag of emotions comes into play. STONE COLD.
@McFrozenNuggets I agree
I absolutely love how Ray clearly resented Egon, but hearing that he died only filled his heart with pain. He had spent the last chunk of his life hoping that he'd be able to forgive his best friend and now it was too late.
What did Ray resent Egon?
@@Michaelkayslay In this scene Ray said "Egon Spangler and rot in Hell" and then told the story of how he fell out with the others. What I liked about it was how Ray, in spite of his anger of Egon, was very saddened by his passing
@@Michaelkayslay Sorry, should've stamped - Ray says it at 1:15, the story following
I came here to say something very similar. Ray held such resentment, as we all can. But at the end of the day we will always care. Hearing that Egon died, Rays voice changed between those two lines in such a significant way.
@@Ben-pd2bx he resented Egon because he killed Ghostbusters, he stole the vital equipment meaning they couldn’t operate anymore
“Egon Spengler was my grandfather” 😢 makes me cry every time. The way McKenna Grace delivered that line was beautiful.
She really delivered that whole scene beautifully and reached out to someone that her Grandfather was once friends with and a close colleague still mind blowing that we all grew up with them and 30 plus years later we get to see them again
Pull yourself together miss Lucas.
Probably just thought about her own grandfather and used her natural reaction to having someone say they hope he rots in hell.
@@adamb89Straight from Stachinsky's book. McKenna really did her homework.
❤
This was Dan's way of saying goodbye to Harold. Must have been real tough for the three of them and yet, it's perfect. Also, hearing Akroyd talking about atoms and science in the extras made my day.
@@Ben-pd2bx Whatever makes your boat float.
@@Ben-pd2bx You didn't like it, ok. It's not a perfect movie? Yes, We get it. Try Frozen 2, Jurassic World and the third Star Wars trilology. If those ain't a mess, then Hell is all ice.
And don't even start with Matrix 4
@@Ben-pd2bx I got question. Were you actually paying attention or just looking for gaps? Cuz the movie DOES give u hints. But again, you didn't like it. Fine. DONT watch the clips. Some of us did and could use some conversation instead for this argument . Thank you
@@Ben-pd2bx Aye.
@@Ben-pd2bx Egon didn't went crazy. He kept on researching and found out that Gozer could return, so he decided to take action. Problem was the others were already having their own lives outside the GB business, that has broke, by the way. Hence, they didn't believe him. And when Egon saw how dangerous it was, decided to not involve anybody else. Hence, no photo. Ray thought Egon was just not willing to let go. And as for the trap, it was his way of saying "This is important". Todo bad he couldn't talk.
There u go. All of them in one go. Paying attention and hearing Akroyd's insight really pays off. Good afternoon
RIP Harold Ramis (November 21, 1944 - February 24, 2014), aged 69
And
RIP Ivan Reitman (October 27, 1946 - February 12, 2022), aged 75
You both will be remembered as legends.
Did Reitman finish directing Afterlife before he died?
@@christianloubardias6375 Yes he did.
@@LPJack02 Ivan now in heaven with Harold driving the Ecto 1 let's not forget the two legends that created Ghostbusters
@@christianloubardias6375 His son directed this one, actually. Jason Reitman.
@@brianrose8772Jason also appeared in the second movie. He was the kid who said to Ray that his father said they were full of crap.
Ironically enough, that kid in that scene was also named Jason.
McKenna Grace’s acting is like a diamond, she really put her heart and soul into this role, especially in this scene.
That's a girl? Sheesh, I thought it was a boy!
I couldn't agree more she really filled the shoes of a Spengler and managed to reach out to Ray
I think @JeremyJahns said something along the lines of "hope her back is ok after carrying this film"
@@BrowncoatInABoxShe absolutely carried this film and thats not a disrespect to everyone else - they were great too she was just THAT good.
She's the one who act as Paige in Young Sheldon
This acting in this film is as great as the originals. Theres heart and depth. You feel Rays resentment towards Egon, but you also see how the weight of knowing his old friend died hit him. Its also when realizing his old friends granddaughter needed them, maybe in that moment Ray realized, if he couldn't save Egon, he could try to save his family.
The acting in the originals wasn't this sentimental.
@MoonwalkerWorshiper actually it was just as strong. It's just that younger men have different emotions. As they aged they changed became more nostalgic
Ray: crap… I gotta make some calls.
Peter: I feel a disturbance. And for once, I wanna embrace it.
Winston: there’s a chill in the air, we’re back baby!
Egon: good to see the old team back together one last time.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiperactually they were in the second film. Egon and Peters resentment was showing in the bookstore scene. It was their mindset and outlook and the way they treated each other in the second one when they fell in the slime .I think was letting us know how they really felt about beach other. So the split was bound to happen. Plus Ray beliefs changed over the years. Which I think drove to his Disagreements with Egon's. Ray kept switching up in the second film..he really was deep into Occult Vs Scientific theories so kinda an open book. Egon was straight forward ends justifies the means kind a guy but very much hard knowledge into world history. In turn this movie shows it. He was practically Nostradamus in the Millennium . Peter the Psychic but probably had self doubts and probably got sued by his tv show and just went through life. Winston wasn't like the rest but sadly carried the weight of the world on his shoulders. Ironically Egon's work unravels into Chaos in this one.
@@timafiggy Egon was becoming unhinged, which was both alienating & sad. He gets passionate but said emotions lead to a catastrophe.
I love how this scene closes the gap between what's happened from the end of II, up to now. Ray's heartfelt look of absolute loss and grief hearing Egon died is such a blow to him, because they were friends for the longest time. I love Ray recapping what's happened and how the Ghostbusters ended, it's a memory he didn't like to relive, but had to because some kid called him up. This was the definitive scene that brought this whole movie together and I love it!
Just in case you didn't know about it, there is a Ghostbusters video game which is an unofficial Ghostbusters 3, it had everyone in int except Sigourney Weaver. The cutscenes are on youtube if you're interested.
@@kitsunisanIs that even canon still because it should be not to?Mention afterlife in frozen empire feel like fourth and fifth installments instead then a third and four
The memory of egon hits rey hard. The feels go beyond acting dan really miss harold for us to see. Rey Stanz is truly the heart of the team. RIP Harold Ramis / Egon Spengler.
that's Ray not with E silly 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁
Rey is in this movie?! I thought it was just Ray. Never expected a star wars crossover.
I wish that after Ray hung up that there would have been another scene where he picks up the phone and calls either Peter or Winston. He wouldn't have had to say anything except, "Peter, this is Ray. I just got a call from Egon's granddaughter."
I was thinking the same thing.
If I’m not mistaken isn’t there a deleted scene between Winston and Janine? I wonder if it was decided to make the focus of the Movie about Spengler’s daughter and grandchildren? If you start throwing in too many scenes with the OG not only do you shift that focus away from the New Generation but you ruin the big surprise at the end
@@MrSheckstr That was the post-credit scene. -Fennett
@@MrSheckstr its on youtube that scene just watched it.
It feels like some one forced them to focus on the kids to much. Hollywood in their standard idiotic approach thinks that you should focus on the popular actor they hired (stranger things is brain dead and overrated) instead of the story. Also Hollywood just because your making a movie for kids dose not mean you have to cast kids in it. Kids want to be adults and adults don't want to watch kids doing a bunch of unrealistic crap for 90 minutes.
1:38 McKenna Grace put on quite the performance for this. You’d physically see and hear a gulp here, as she is fighting the lump in her throat, and the urge to cry. That and the voice breaking at “He died last week.” We see her let it out in the background at the end of the movie. Really adds to the narrative that Phoebe had far more emotional ability than she showed to others, either because she was always trying to bury it, or didn’t know how to properly express it.
Left out the 5 seconds before this which is one of the best parts of the movie!
The way this movie worked in “Who you gonna call?” into actual dialog was so well done!
And Bokeem Woodbine delivered it perfectly too.
I thought that line was cringeworthy
I smiled when he said it. I think I said "Ghostbuster".
Ackroyd had a cameo in "Casper the friendly ghost" he used that now famous line. He also answered his own question. He said some thing like "Someone else!"
@@MartyMcFly88 I rolled my eyes slightly, but the more I thought about it, it feels like they worked it in well. There was going to be at least one point where they used it anyway, so I'm glad they at least put in the effort to make it clever.
i didn't see this in the cinema. but i did wonder if anyone called out ghostbusters when that line came up. it made me smile
This kid has a very bright future ahead of her in acting. Because she blew the part out of the water, it was played to perfecting, i dare say she was the best actor in the entire movie, besides the original ghostbusters. Hopefully she turns up in the sequel.
Dan Aykroyd could have just phoned this scene in, and just said the lines, but he put the exact right kind of emotion into it when he talked about how Egon just took everything and left. You can hear the hurt and betrayal in his voice. Still the heart of the Ghostbusters.
You're right about Dan Aykroyd being a good actor but wrong about it being the heart of Ghostbusters.
Firehouse being it's old self or Starbucks, logic doesn't matter in crap movies. Everything is contradictory, upsidedown, inverted, wrong. The firehouse could've been a Ghostbuster museum with proton packs and Ecto 1 at display.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiperI'm pretty sure they did that before buying back the house. Because it shows you how far the world has moved on. That has Squandered the help of the Ghostbusters, which is why I don't help the world. I help myself, because despite everything eventually they'll hate you.If you get that reference.
That was everything to the original fans.
Oh yeah finding out that the Ghostbusters broke up because they're a bunch of morons that abandoned their friend and left him to die because he didn't show them any of the proof of things he found (like the temple). This movie is not for the fans this is a member berries shit fest
Don't listen to the haters. Afterlife is a worthy sequel.
@@grkpektis I didn't like what they did with the original cast, just didn't buy into it. You can see they're very close friends that work very well together in GB1 & 2, they way they were portrait in AL just seemed wrong and didn't seem to fit the respected relationship between them all. I don't know... i know time has passed since GB2 but it just seemed off.
@@leecroft1983 look at so many of the great bands that break up.
@@leecroft1983 Life happened. I had great friends in my early years that I no longer see after we just drifted apart. Priorities change, etc. It;s no malicious it just the way it is.
This one scene really did make the entire movie come together!
@@Ben-pd2bx the ONLY garbage in this thread is your mind, if you had EVER watched ANY of the first 2 GB's (Not the 2016 SHITSHOW) you would understand EVERY thing in this scene
"Egon Spengler was my grandfather" - The girl was damned lucky to get that out to Ray before the connection was cut by the cop, it made all the difference!
Dan Aykroyd sounds like he could've done radio before movies. He has a soothing voice.
Finally, the Ghostbusters movie we deserved.
@Jay M It's obviously what we deserved because it has sold at least 100 fold more copies than the 2016 flop that was so bad they couldn't even give it away for free
I love GB1 & 2 so was really hyped for this movie but... i don't know, it just couldn't really get into in it. Just thought it was flat, not much really to it. One of those movies where if you watched the trailer you have pretty much watched 80% of what happens. I don't know.
I liked this movie. At least with this one, I didn't cringe as hard as I did when I watched that stupid 2016 movie. I feel this one was an apology for the mistake we got 6 years ago.
@@Josh_D78 It was also so bad, the planned sequel was immediately cancelled. I would have hated to see what that would have been like.
Wait, I think I know. More fart (or queef) jokes. Melissa McCarthy trying to have all the screen time. Plus whatever other garbage was in that movie that, thankfully, I cannot remember, but would have been more of in the cancelled sequel.
@Jay M Yea, it sucked so bad it was significantly better than the 2016 movie. The one where the director cried to Sony to include his film in the Ghostbuster legacy pack they were releasing before the THIRD real movie was set to release.
One of the most enjoyable experiences in a movie theater that I've had in a long time. Rip Harold
I felt so sad and the emotional pain in this clip I could imagine Ray standing up digging through his basement finding the pack while fubling with his phone staring at a picture of the four of them "Oscar! I need you to call your dad now ! "
Then likely calling Winston and Janine shortly after that.
@@Agent_1701-D my idea is the near the end of the credits bit where they are talking in Winston's office is when Ray and Petter barge in in full gear yelling loudly Ray manically flipping through tobins spirit guide
I feel like the sequence of events that led to the Original GBs coming to help in the end played out something like this...
-Egon told Janine of his plan to trap Gozer before the start of Afterlife, and asks her to do 3 things and to Check on him/visit regularly. And if he should no longer be of this world on one of her check-ins, for her to.....
1. Make sure his last will and testament was enforced, giving Callie the house.
2. Tell Callie (hense the phone call)
3. Tell Peter, Winston, and Ray, With Ray being the last, because Egon knew that his word, whether direct or indirect through Janine wouldn't be enough to convince him after the nature of their parting of ways. It would likely take the convincing of the others to finally get Ray back aboard this train...
-After meeting with Callie, Trevor and Phoebe, while the events of the next couple days plays out in Summerville, Janine flies back to New York, and meets with Dana and Peter AFTER the post-credits scene cuts off (where Dana was using the cards and shocking Peter.). Janine explains that something is going on in Summerville, and eventhough Peter is VERY reluctant at first (still feeling hurt by Egon's departure with their equipment, minus Peter, Ray, and Winston's proton Packs and Uniforms.), but after Janine explains that Egon had passed, Peter with his heart of gold feels like he needs to go, not just to help the Spengler family, but for a sense of closure. Peter's heart of gold would shine through here.
Then We see Janine paying Winston a visit in his office (2nd post-credits scene). Winston isn't as hard to convince as Peter and Ray would be.
Then we see Ray in his Occult Book Store. Ray and Phoebe had just spoken on the phone. Ray was about to inquire for more information, as well as mourn the loss of his old friend, lamenting the time that was spent hating him. Ray wished that there was something he could do to help the Spengler's, and make it up to Egon, because he felt he owed his old friend that much, and get closure as well.
Then suddenly, a familiar face reappears. One that Ray likely hasn't seen or heard from for some time, probably because of how close she was to Egon. However, after the conversation he just had with Phoebe, Ray would be more likely to hear Janine out, half guessing what this contact/visit was about before she even spoke a word.
Winston would then front the travel expenses for himself, Ray and Peter, and then after days flight, likely on a private plane/jet, makes it out to Summerville.
And if Janine hadn't informed them of where Egon's farmhouse was, I'm sure the swirling vortex of clouds with glowing lights coming out of it would've been a major clue.
@@youkai3785 & have them pull up in a limo the moment after Callie possessed by Zuul busts through the window & the kids run out behind her. Louis Tully is the limo driver & he opens the door with the music from GB2 when they go into the museum to investigate the Vigo painting. & Winston sends Louis to a hotel in Tulsa to wait for him to call Louis. Louis then says to the kids "Don't worry about anything. Even that weird woman that just burst through the window. Even if any of you turn into a dog dont worry. I turned into a dog once & these guys saved me! So they're ok! I gotta go to the hotel now. Gotta have a shower!" Then he cant open the limo door for a few seconds while everybody else looks on in amusement. I think we just needed a little more of the original Ghostbusters & wish Rick Moranis would have done something in this movie. Afterlife would have been perfect if we could have gotten just a little bit more with the ogs
1:40 hearing Ray say that and everything else makes us realize we grew up with them during those times and now seeing them 30 plus years later is really bittersweet such an a amazing moment
Great non-verbal acting from Aykroyd here.
Dan Aykroyd received an Academy Award Nomination for Supporting Actor for his role of Boolie Werthan in DRIVING MISS DAISY. Denzel Washington won that year for GLORY. Thanks for honoring Harold's artistry and humanity.
A lot of people say Ray seems a bit out of character in this scene, in that it’s not like him to be bitter or not believing Egon despite everything they’ve been through and seen. Tbh I think this brings a lot more depth to the characters. Let me explain.
It’s several years after defeating Vigo in 1989 (or Shandor in 1991), the paranormal activity is starting to drop, finances are becoming an issue and there seems to be no sign of another Big Twinkie/World threatening entity, yet Egon keeps insisting to the guys that the apocalypse is coming and in the process he scares off any chances the guys have with clients to maintain their business.
Idk about you but if I were Ray, I would MOST definitely be concerned and angry at him for what’s happening to him and what he’s doing. Cause again, even though there was absolutely NO signs or suspicions about any upcoming threat that could destroy the world, Egon is still frantically saying that the world is gonna end, so why believe him? Ray and the others would presume that he’s suffering a mental breakdown and when he cleaned out the firehouse, the guys would’ve been like, “That’s it!! Egons gone nuts and we’re not gonna last longer as the ghostbusters so let’s walk away!!”
Although after the anger tones down, I imagine Ray would suddenly feel sad that he essentially just lost one of his best friends and can’t really do anything to help him. Then when Egon phoned him a decade later and is still acting as frantic and insane as he did back then, Ray would’ve been thinking “Oh god he hasn’t regained any sanity back since then…..” So yeah I think his attitude is justified.
Although instead of saying he can rot in hell, he should’ve said something like this to show he still somewhat worry about him,
Phoebe: “I’m…I’m calling about Egon Spengler.”
Ray: (in a bit of a stern/worry delivery) “….Egon Spengler. What about him whats he done this time?”
Phoebe: (surprised and confused) “Well…He died last week.”
Ray: (instantly saddened) “ (pause) Ah man. No kidding.”
But see that's the thing, I think that's exactly where Ray's mind was going, until Phoebe said _"Egon Spengler was my grandfather. "_ and the tone shifted. Because now Ray is realizing, Egon went off and had a family, and this wasn't some crank calling Ray, it was family calling Ray and asking for his help.
Yeah I can understand Ray’s anger and reaction honestly, heck his “Egon Spengler can rot in hell” line feels less like anger and more like disappointment. Honestly the fact that Ray says he wanted to believe Egon speaks volumes to his character that he wanted so badly to believe that there was another shot at The Ghostbusters saving the world but the evidence just wasn’t there and Egon’s attitude made it even harder to believe
Saying Egon can rot in Hell was harsh, but that's what it was meant to be. Ray felt betrayed by a friend so there would be some resentment. I agree with everything else you said.
People were saying the same about Luke Skywalker. Something tells me people have no concept of character development based on that statement alone
It was quite harsh for him to say that to a little kid, you'll see how much he regrets it finding out she's related. When theirs falling out among friends people change, resentments hang on. He did the mature thing and wised up.
I loved the realism of this scene. But when Ray said that Egon could rot in hell I (and others) gasped for air. However when he explained why he said that I was like, yeah I'd hate him too. The explanation was very well done. She even understood why. But her loyalty to her grandfather was great. Even after that explanation she remained loyal to him. A very deep scene executed beautifully. Great job.
grand father not uncle
@@TimeMasterOG oops. Thank you
I think it was kind of dumb for Ray to say that, especially since he said he wanted to believe Egon. I mean, Egon is the reason why the Ghostbusters even exist and also correctly predicted the end of the world in the first movie, where it almost did happen, so it makes no sense for Ray to doubt Egon.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who gasped. All I thought was "What happened?" because I get where friendships can fall apart, even ones that seemed destined to last. But yeah, the explanation was understandable. Such a good scene.
It's still a testament to Dan Aykroyd's acting as evident by Ray's facial expressions and guilt the moment he realized he told a child that her now dead grandfather can rot in Hell.
This scene hurt my soul as a Ghostbusters fan. Hearing Ray say "Egon Spengler can burn in hell" was traumatic as fuck!
But the INSTA Regret he felt when Phebs tells him he died was even more gut wrenching cus you SEE despite what egon did Ray still held Egon as a true friend.
Yea great writing to this truly holds up to the original Ghostbusters
@@aaronnantz2289Everything The Star Wars equal trilogy should have done. Especially showing the characters saving the world to last times right? Even mark was very p***** off that he wasn't going to get to hang out with Harrison Ford again, even though that was more of his own fault since he wanted to kill off Han Since he got sick of dealing with star awards fans and such And giving it how it turned out, I can't say, I blame him
This film is sort of an allegory to Harold Ramis and Bill Murray’s friendship. They were friendly up until Groundhog Day (1993) but then they refused to work together again until Ghostbusters (2009). When Harold was on his deathbed, Brian Doyle Murray convinced his brother to finally make amends.
What happened?
Sounds like somebody did somebody very very dirty
What basically happened;
Harold directed Groundhog Day whilst Bill obviously starred in it; they had very different ideas on how to go about the film. Bill wanted to focus on the philosophical elements, whilst Harold wanted to direct it as a comedy first snd foremost.
Bill’s known for being a bit temperamental to work with sometimes and he very much was there; the two fell out severely and didn’t speak for over twenty years, barring some brief exchanges at events.
Harold was apparently keen to make up, but Bill less so; he barely spoke of Harold in interviews and wouldn’t accept any role Harold offered him.
Harold and Bill are both heard in Ghostbusters The Video Game (2009), but recorded their dialogue separately; Bill apparently recorded all his at a golf resort whilst Harold did his at a proper studio with most of the others.
Come 2014, Harold’s on his deathbed and Bill’s brother Brian-Doyle urges him to reconcile with Harold, so they do. Bill and Brian now speak fondly of Harold.
The real-life estrangement is sort-of mirrored in Afterlife, but to a much lower extent than what happened after Groundhog Day.
Nobody really did anyone “dirty”, but the disagreement must have really rankled for two close collaborators to not speak for over two decades.
@@TheBritFromOz008 I think at roughly the same time, Bill Murray was going through the divorce of his wife Margaret Kelly? Or at least, the marriage was not a happy one and divorce was looking like an eventuality.
In 1993, Harold attributed how sour Bill was to “problems going on in his life”, one of which was the divorce.
It wasn’t the only thing probably but it certainly wouldn’t have helped matters.
This scene is one seriously hardcore blast of nostalgia.
It's very bittersweet. One last movie with all four of then would have been epic.
In that scene Dan looked like he regretted saying that
As if he thought she hung up intentionally
When he said that Egon can rot in hell, I felt the clouds in the sky opened up and God shot a lightning bolt into my soul. I understood Ray's pain about feeling let down by a friend because I've been down that road myself.
You mean Ray looked like he regretted saying that. Im sure Dan regretted participating in this movie entirely.
@@leesweets4110 Dan was the executive producer, sir. Get a clue...🙄
@@peterm.torres5273 As if he thought she was in trouble.
McKenna Grace really should have won the Oscar for Best Actress.
You're in jail, you get one call...Who ya gonna call? yeah that's right.
I admit like some of the fans, I was taken aback when Ray said Egon should rot in hell. But how they played this out in the story was beautiful. Especially when Ray appologizes to Egon later for not believing him. Of coarse I wonder too about Bill Murray in the last close up considering his last moments in real life with Ramis before he passed away. The look on the actors face really conveys a lot in the performance.
"Slammer huh. Been there. Well I'm not a lawyer but I'm listening."
Good Ole Ray. 😁
After the disconnect Ray knew rite then EXACTLY what he had to do 💖🌹🦋🌍🌎
Call the guys and save the day.
@@joetophat2121 And Janine. If anyone had inside information on what the situation and eventual plan was, it would have been Janine.
And I’m willing to bet dollars to Twinkies that Egon left behind some folder that had all the necessary information in the event of his passing, entrusted to Janine when the time came.
@@Agent_1701-D Never thought about that, but you're right. Janine would've been entrusted by Egon with the important information.
As much as I loved Afterlife, we really could have used a few extra scenes with the OG cast. I would love to see Ray trying to convince Peter to get out to Oklahoma.
@@rickyhyppa7960 That would've been cool, but I doubt Bill Murray would have agreed to that.
"Some actor bought most of Tribeca." Ok, that made me laugh out loud.
Ok, I feel I missed something there. Which actor is he refering to?
@@quatarsr6217 I _assume_ it's DeNiro, since he owns a bunch of businesses in Tribeca.
@@roystonlodge Ah thank you
There's a mistake. He said that the firehouse was a starbucks then at the end, the firehouse is abandoned when winston bought it.
@@gitsnshiggles Maybe it's a flashback and Winston was the one to turn it into a Starbucks. ;-)
Hearing Ray Stanz saying "Don't go chasing ghosts" is the equivalent of Superman saying "There is no hope"
Or hearing Scotty say that anything other than impulse power was an impossible fantasy in Star Trek.
So many emotions
You got that right!
Ray was thinking when she hung up, crap, he was right.
Yep we should’ve believed him and went with him
@@berliner0I'm sure he did, but they had their own problems to deal with at that time and since Egon was going nuts more than usual. It's not that right to entrust him. It's more like, do I trust of how he does things that has always been evident in the films? And they would always question about how he would do things Even dana.
My favorite character always and forever , I love Ray so very much.
The looks on rays face said it all. When she disconnected his first thought was I gotta call venkmen and zedmore.
Is Ray, Venkman and Zeddmore.
@@baotrannguyenngoc9964 get the band back together
Watch this then go watch the scene where Egon talks to Vinz Clortho near the end of the first movie. Vinz tells Egon everything, he probably started seeing the signs of Gozer's return and panicked. In a way Egon knew Gozer better than anyone.
I think this is one of the best scenes from Afterlife (I lost my grandfather a few years ago so I know how Phoebe feels) and the acting from McKenna and Dan is brilliant. Phoebe does show emotions occasionally and she certainly does some wonderful expressions on that expressive face of hers aswell. Phoebe is neurodivergent so she's on the spectrum and she's super, super intelligent (and funny). Yes she doesn't dress like a girl but she can dress how she likes. This scene was really well written aswell
Well we dont care how she dresses ^^, in the movie she is on the spectrum. She is a nerdy teenager that is willing to save the world. She is a true tomboy thats into science. I really really like her character bc she 100% fits the role of girly tomboy nerd. And she was well written, plus she had her brother and other nerd friend. I loved this movie cant wait for the next one, and yes ive seen the trailer already!
@@maxnum1sgameclub263 " Podcast " sort of resembles Aykroyd. I think that this may have been ON PURPOSE ( ? ).
Ray felt bad after he found out about Egon spengior death
Spangler.
Spengler
I guess the rot in hell is definitely official
@@cjg3496 he didn’t mean to say that now his friend died 😞
I think it's not scripted since Harold 'Egon' are passed
Rays still paying the mortgage on his parents house
actually i think i saw somewhere an interview where he was asked about the house and he said they lost the house after the first Gozer encounter because they were sued so much.
Don't you know? Even today people are still paying three mortgages on their houses. 😂
My childhood was complete after this.....thank you!
I'm a big fan of the Ghostbusters the fan club I wish the Ghostbusters become if in person and I wish the Ghostbusters become a big fan club to get a new car for to get a house for rent in person I wish I wish I have a ride car I wish I had a car on don't make a noise 😊 I wish to be
I'm a big fan of the Ghostbusters the fan club I wish the Ghostbusters become if in person and I wish the Ghostbusters become a big fan club to get a new car for to get a house for rent in person I wish I wish I have a ride car I wish I had a car on don't make a noise 😊 I wish to be
It went from oh just a random kid calling to " this is a family issue " real fast
This scene gets me every time. What a great movie.
Great scene, so marvelously done. Though it tore my heart out to hear Ray say those things about Egon. But sometimes that's what good writing and acting does. It breaks your heart a little bit. And you hope in the end it will be mend.
They did such a good job on this movie.
When I watch this movie, sometimes I think part of the message of the film was being able to say goodbye when you thought you couldn't. Not just for the OG crew, but for Egon's family as well. I don't know how close Harold and Dan were, but when I watch this scene in particular, it makes me wonder if it was in part theraputic to get out some of that emotion over losing a friend. This is in no way denigrating Dan Ackyrod's talent as an actor, as he does fantastically in this scene, but damn, does that emotion really hit hard.
This was great movie and an awesome tribute to Harold. Although, if you notice Bill Murray character is the only one to not make amends with Egon's ghost.
Or be as emotive. When Venkman saw his friend, I think just seeing him was his way of saying, “I’m sorry, buddy.”
@@Agent_1701-D I disagree. I think it was more he refused to make amends with him.
Peter and Egon always have that kind of relationship where they clash, but highly respect each other. Peter was always teasing him.
"I thought you'd show up" is perfectly in line with what Venkman would say to Egon's ghost. Bill Murray doing this film means he already made amends.
Bill made his peace with Harold before he died, went to visit him a few weeks/days before he passed. Just a good reminder to always try to make things right with the people you hold close. Lord knows I've lost my share even after trying to make it right.
As a huge fan of the original ghostbusters I went to see this at the cinema and I hoped that it would not ruin the first 2 and I now watch this weekly without fail and I hope that there will be a follow on
One of the actors from the original Ghostbusters aw men shit I can't believe it I love the original Ghostbusters it was my favorite movie of all time
Then what are you doing here? Stop what you are doing and go watch this movie NOW. Virtually every fan of the original Ghostbusters Movie seems to just love this one. Myself included. I have watched it five times already and still wonder how it turned out so great. A bit different in style than the original ones. Not only a great action comedy movie but with a lot of heart on top.
Now go! GOOO!!! ;)
@@caliginousstarfire This is why the female Ghostbusters film has been wiped form history and this is the third film.
This movie is a def love letter. I loved it
Something I was thinking about in relation to this part: I can't help but feel that there is a deleted scene were Ray, after the call with Phoebe, starts to wonder if Egon was right. After a bit of mental back and forth he calls up Winston and Peter, telling them about his conversation with Phoebe, in the end convincing them that they need to get to Oklahoma on the double.
While that is certainly what *did* happen, we won't see it because it spoils them showing up.
@@es330td True
@@es330td Really wish we could have had that scene shot though. It could even end ambiguously, with a seed of doubt that Venkman would want to be anywhere near this situation. This would preserve the surprise appearance at the end, although when I saw this in the theater I pretty much expected that being that they said they were in the movie and really didnt see them 75% of the movie.
@@rickyhyppa7960 They could have ended this scene with Ray opening a pocket notebook and leafing through to one with U-V-W on the tab, cutting away to one hand picking up a phone, the other dialing and us hearing the phone ring.
Ray and Callie's HUGE resentment towards Egon in Ghostbusters: Afterlife had definitely mirrored the real life relationship of Bill Murray and Harold Ramis.
They both involve a once great relationship that turned into hatred in the 1990s, but eventually got to make up with each other many years later as peace before moving on with life.
This was a really good emotional scene
Such great acting from both of them. Love this scene.
its the story that was never told so sad , i love the GB MOVIES
I'm willing to bet Dan Aykroyd ad-libbed most of this scene before he actually read the whole script. He was wrong about the firehouse and about how Egon took all the proton packs, when the other Ghostbusters clearly had them.
0:35 That tattoo... isn't that the verse he and Winston talked about in Ecto-1 right before the EPA shut down the grid?
I would love to meet Dan Aykroyd and tell him how much he means to me as an actor. For more than 50 to almost 60 years this incredible man has changed the world in views of Comedy and has worked with the most legendary people in existence. But also if Rays Occult was an actual store I'd like to do a lot of research.
I teared up when he said he can rot in hell,these guys were friends what had happened,it made me sad to think these buddies ended up like that
Phoebe - Spengler Jr
Trevor - Venkman jr
Podcast - Stantz jr
Lucky - Zeddmore jr
That's both interesting and kinda cool
“Egon Spengler can rot in hell.”
Those words coming from Ray, seriously hurt. And they were the last words I ever expected to hear from him.
They still sound out of character to me. Ray, much like Aykroyd himself, was the one in the team ready to believe anything. He was the least buisness oriented of the original group. It's so odd that, of all people, HE is the one who does not believe in Egon's warnings.
Just like how it's odd that in Frozen Empire, it's Winston of all the people who is recreating and bankrolling the Ghostbusters.
0:55 The slammer, huh? Been there myself…
You should listen to the story about how my brother and I were on a mission from God to put the band back together to save our orphanage…
Today I finally got the chance to watch this movie I really regret not watching this movie in the theater three years ago
Like alot of people here when Phoebe says "Egon Spengler was my grandfather" that one line gets to me and I'm not a terribly emotional person
When Egon showed up near the end, I tossed away the pieces of my man - card & cried like a kid who lost their favorite toy.
Never thought the Elephant was the police chief in that town. Guess it makes sense in a way, but that’s hard to explain.
Elephant?
@@doomsday2703 the Elephant is a character you work for in the game Payday 2
@@doomsday2703 He’s a senator in Payday 2 that hires the gang for several heists like rigging elections, exposing a corrupt democrat and more.
At the end of the game it’s also revealed that he, Vlad Kozak, and the dentist are kings that have lived for thousands off years.
...and I love the tiny details of Eggy shown in this one....like the Nestlé crunch he likes so much lol.....I remember Venky giving him one in part 1
Ray said the firehouse was a Starbucks now, but then Winston stepped into the old firehouse (not a Starbucks) at the end of the movie.
Oversight I am sure.
I'm guessing he bought it out.
Even Starbucks can fail with NYC commercial rents.
any number of reasons why Ray may have been mistaken, it could have been and it went under, they moved sites because of lower profits from the surrounding neighborhood, or the deal fell through due to possible complications at the location, like the rent or costly renovations. I doubt Ray really kept an eagle eye on its current state since he has clearly distanced himself from it, so as far as he knows theres a Starbucks there, and not an abandoned firehouse.
That is a bad ass scene…..very well written….
I guess that explains why he was alone in Casper.
This is the movie's big " who you going to call?" moment.
2:07 "...and we lost the firehouse. It's a Starbucks now." At the end of the movie though, you see the firehouse, and it's still the same, just worn down and looks abandoned. It even has the ghost trap installed in the basement.
Believe this was an Easter egg referring to the irl location of the firehouse which did become a Starbucks.
@@Linmyra Unless Hook and Ladder No. 8 became a Star Bucks in 2020-Now, it was and always has been a functioning firehouse. It was renovated in 2018 and, as far as I can tell, it is still a firehouse.
Yep and the containment unit looks like it’s about to go red…
Realized that and went "huh?" ... script didn't match film.
There are several firehouse's in New York city. The ghostbusters lost their own firehouse but then they found another firehouse at the end of the movie. But granted their own firehouse was torn down for a Starbucks.
It was an excellent ending to fabulous story! Love them all.❤
RAY!! Don't say that about Egon.
Much better than the Answer The Call crap they came out with a few years ago!
So true
We don't talk about that in this part of the jungle. It angers the village.
Even if Phoebe told the cop who ended her phone call with Ray Stantz selfishly that her grandfather was one of the Ghostbusters who operated in New York City, and that she was talking to one of his friends on the phone, a fellow Ghostbuster, he wouldn't care less.
First time I watched,this was heartbreaking. In between the 2nd movie & the 08 video game,I figured business only got better for the boys,but turns out that wasn't the case. ☹️
It would make sense why Egon just bailed out, since Shandor & Gozer reappeared in the game,he researched and found out those two had more tricks up their sleeves,but Ray of all of em not believing what was going on was questionable after what they've been through.
When I saw this in theaters, the audience GASPED when Ray said “Egon Spengler can rot in hell”. I was one of em
She's a child here. They grow up so quickly!
Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters!
0:55 Do an NYPD lockup (GB1) and a psychiatric hospital (GB2) count as ‘the slammer’?
yes
They got arrested in GB2 for destroying the power grid when they went underground and found the slime river
@@xTheGregx And violating the judicial restraining order they got after first stopping Gozer.
It’s also possible he did some time in between movies or a couple drunk and disorderly’s
I’d say so.
Man her character really brings Egon's into the things clearly. It was her mannerisms that did it all. She like him in his Adult life and her brother I feel was Egon in his younger years probably with His Daughters mom. Her" awkwardness " was also with his daughter and makes sense. Sadly His daughter didn't see it. Then again the relationship between her daughter and her is everything and at the same time is go sadly Egon to her. Poor Peobe is kinda neglected by her in turn she's the one who has to save her mom. Her character Arc is so brilliant unlike the 2016 film.
Stantz says the firehouse is a starbucks, but
**spoiler**
The post credits scene show the ecto-1 returning to the old firehouse and the ghost containment system still functioning... who supervises the continuity?
Winston probably bought it back. He could probably afford to do so after all.
Why do you think Starbucks coffees are so expensive? Lot of power being used. You'd think they notice their abnormally high utility bill and ask some questions.
@@optimumultimaomega I think Ray lied there they don't need any one poking around especially a star bucks employee
@@leesweets4110 Winston actually owning the Starbucks isn’t out of the question.
Actually i thought the same thing, maybe this is why the post credit scene is a post credit scene! i don't know!
Has anyone ever noticed that this was the first time in the movies where the car was verbally referred to as Ecto-1 and that the firehouse is in Tribeca? It was nice to actually hear those little details, especially from Dan Aykroyd.
"Some actor bought up most of Tribeca."
Robert DeNiro.
Loved that scene
Phoebe is Egon’s grand daughter ❤️
One thought. As done with ghost busting as he sounds in this conversation, he’s only having it because he’s still using their old phone number. He could quite easily have gotten a new phone number when he opened his shop, but after all these years the Ghostbuster’s phone number connects you directly to him.
The fact they didn’t get a statue dedicated to them in this universe is a Great injustice.
This was a great movie.
What do you think Ray was thinking when Phoebe said Egon was her grandfather?
My Favourite Ghostbusters Movie are Ghostbusters Afterlife and Original Ghostbusters
The actor who plays the sheriff in this movie is the same actor who plays the Shocker in Spiderman: Homecoming.
B. Cena
*IKR.*
I remember the actor *Bokeem Woodbine,* who played *Herman Schultz/Shocker #2* in *SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING (2017).*
@@JakeLlavore When I watched this movie for the first time, it shocked me when Mckenna Grace threatened Woodbine with Egon's proton blaster. Jason Reitman did a fantastic job making Grace look like Egon's granddaughter.
@@JakeLlavore Also I realized that Spider-Man: Homecoming came out five years ago. Feels like yesterday.
Wow, that was a pretty harsh thing for ray to say
At least he looked remorseful after finding out Egon died.
When he said it, I knew there was a story behind it. And when Phoebe stated that he passed, that was the springboard to tell it.
I enjoyed this movie a whole lot more than the reboot from 6 years ago
I think to make it more believable that Ray wouldn't of believed Egon's rants about the psychic storm he should of said something like "I used to be the one with my head in the esoteric, finding the fringe parts of a case, then it went to egon, and it worried me"
Well _that_ cop is getting his ass fired & sued! Your legally-mandated phone call does not have a time limit, you're guaranteed privacy, and they cannot just decide to cut the call.
Not according to California penal code, which while not applicable in the state this is presumed filmed in at least implies it can apply there without violating federal law.
Since it is not a LOCAL call and is being billed to the law enforcement institution, versus calling collect or using a calling card, he was entitled to cancel the call the moment he realized the kid was calling a New York City area code
I’d love to have 10 minutes alone with that sheriff. That gun and badge doesn’t make him untouchable.
I know the practical reason was because of Harold Ramis’ death. But i never understood why ray didnt believe Egon. Given their roles if anyone were to have found this out it would have been ray
My favorite scene in the movie.
Like the scene when we gotta see old friends
@@MARIO14CB and find out what really happened.