today RO came to talk me in private about my trigger discipline, he came to teach and not to DQ me. I said I learned my lesson and will train myself better habits. Most RO are good guys who just love this sport.
@petrilaakso7927: Same thing happened to me today (I was riding the reset and lit off an extra round). RO was very cool, came over after scoring and was very cool. I thanked him and told him I would do better.
I suppose my finger wasn’t off the trigger momentarily when I was moving between targets, not enough to DQ but I was happy to take feedback, I had no idea.
This is a mall cop phenomenon. You see it with online forum moderators, actual mall cops, security guards, etc. Some people just have a thing for power tripping. Organizations need to have dedicated policies to weed them out.
I briefly worked security at a condo a few years back. Most of the guys were chill, but there were a few that wanted to be called Lieutenant. They even had the rank embroidered on their security shirts. They were putting off mall cop vibes for real, it was really cringe.
@OrionCorsari Well, clearly, you knows more than me boss! I'm guessing you are an RO and just wondering if that's you in the video 😂. My point is that it should be emphasized in the same way that safety is emphasized and that perhaps there may need to be some reeducation.
Yep I’m an RO - how astute of you and no that’s not me. I disagree with this RO’s call. My only point is that those who merely participate and haven’t taken the time to really educate themselves and contribute to the sport should not be shooting off their mouths about the RO course content they know nothing about. If the shoe fits, wear it….boss.
@OrionCorsari Fair. Since you are familiar with the course content, do you think it sufficiently covers or emphasizes the importance of ambassadorship? Or does it need to be updated?
@@OrionCorsariit seems like a lot of people in these comments think that range officers in USPSA are getting paid or something. I've worked about four majors and I hate it, I only do it because I feel a duty to give back to the sport
My local range is a disaster. They inspect your tax stamp each time you check in which I indulge. sadly they have an absolute power hungry RSO that barks at you when you enter the range. He once told me to ‘stop where you are, I need to speak to you’ when I enter the trance when I was walking to my bay, which is annoying when it’s Hollared at you from behind whilst lugging 60 lbs of kit. He then, just as I was lifting up my AR to make a shot shouted at me from behind ‘have you got a tax stamp for that suppressor’. Absolute shit show. They don’t have the right and the firearm and paperwork had already been inspected. Shooters World Orlando, I’m looking at you.
Nationals level RO attempted to DQ me at a level 2 because I removed my ear pro while someone else was shooting. He said it was “unsportsmanlike”. This RO will likely continue to officiate at future nationals.
Ban FMJ ammo!?! So, I’m supposed to use JHPs or frangible ammo to practice, and increase my shooting budget by orders of magnitude? GFY, I’m finding a sane range.
Never shot uspsa. Reminds me of a time I was buying my lady her first handgun and was looking at a new CC gun for myself. Was trying the triggers between hellcat pro and 365. The guy helping me didn’t care but the boomer employee came up and started yelling at me about dry firing and how it is horrible for striker guns. I calmly explained how POSSIBLY that was true decades ago but the guns are made to be dry fired now, dry fire is how most people do the majority of their training, & how I would agree with that for rimfire but not modern striker fired handguns. He then went on a rampage how he has been teaching firearms for 30 years and if I have ever taught firearms? That attitude of absolute superiority/correctness & manner of treating others seems to very common in that age range of the firearms community. I will give him some credit though, he must have gone in the back and googled it because he called me back over 15 min later and pulled the guns out saying I could dry fire them hahaha.
I've been told by a "I've taught concealed carry for twenty years" type that you should never use the slide release lever, always grab the slide... I shoot a cz p01, the slide is small, my thumbs are long enough to reach without changing grip, and I handle it regularly so my hands never forget. Also if that's the case then why do the German duty pistols from walther and hk have such long slide release levers?
Has done a bunch of things that came to nothing. Has to work retail. Would have been dragged to his manager and fired on the spot if it was me. Id have gone somewhere else to buy guns, brought the receipts back to that store.
recently had an IDPA match where a target was placed on the 180 line, maybe off by 1-5deg (if I am being charitable) When walking the stage myself and others pointed this out and asked if the target could be moved because its really close to being a violation just from stage setup. My turn to shoot comes up and as I move through the stage I engage the targets to the front, compress to move around a barrier then shoulder again on the target to the left, at no time did my muzzle break 180 and I purposely even engaged the left half of the target to ensure I didn't get close to the 180. Confirmed by all my hits being in left side of A zone and 1 left side C zone. RO yells careful a bunch of times as I do this and says whoa whoa whoa you almost broke 80, but I had already finished the stage as it was the last target. He says he isn't going to DQ me but that I shouldn't "swing around so wildly" and that I was "being unsafe" he was exactly the sterotype you would expect, overweight boomer shooting a 1911. This was also my friends first competition match, he did fine and after seeing that moved extra slow on that stage to avoid the RO, as did everyone else after.
This kind of power trip is so unfathomable to me. Handing out a DQ is the worst feeling, and I dread having to do it, which is why I often avoid running the clock. I've had to hand out a DQ on 3 occasions and I remember all of them. The idea of WANTING to DQ someone is just alien to my mind.
I used to go to a range that had guys yell at you for how loud your guns are. Yell at you for "rapid fire." Yell at you for shooting steel, because the ricochet could hurt someone miles away. Yell at you for wearing "tactical" gear. It didnt take long for me to get trespassed.
I was yelled at an indoor range today. Shooting 25 yd bill drills and I was being mindful of the 1 shot per second BS they have. He said I was shooting too fast. I was using an SG Timer, I shot 6 rounds in 5.2 seconds. I showed him and he said it still sounded too fast. I was dumb founded. I stayed within the A Zone with a few Charlie’s , I packed up and left.
@jediknight1294 I'm not defending ridiculous rules at a gun range but those rules apply to the lowest common denominator of people. I used to shoot at a public gun range and some of the shit I saw would blow your mind. People that have never fired a gun before decide to mag dump a whole clip while holding the gun with one hand sideways and Goofy shit like that
@mariosmith8456 oh I know, I worked as an RO. My view was always look at the targets and their general handling. If you're doing 1.2s bill drills at 25m and punching the centre of the target out, clearing guns as the range goes cold and muzzle discipline is good i don't care if you're doubletapping. If yiu're shooting groups at 5y that look like my 100y buckshot pattern and waving it around like a rap video you don't get to rapid fire. Rules need to be based on Competency, like the range I worked at had the draw from Holster test and fire on the move tests for access to pistol bays vs just shooting from the benchline. It allowed for nuance.
It's only happened a couple times to me, and each time I didn't argue with the RO on the spot. I don't want to hold up the match or cause a delay for my fellow competitors just because someone is bad at their job. Instead, I went and talked to the MD and got it all sorted each time.
Just remember it's not their job though, theyre only volunteering. that doesn't excuse people that try to screw people over, but there are a lot of honest mistakes that range officers make but once again they're only there because they're trying to help out
@@mariosmith8456that's a shit excuse for not holding people accountable for their attitude. It is the MD and RMs job to unfuck shit ro calls and they need to do it by sacking crap ros
Ben’s rebuttal to Adam Maxwell really highlights the reason why I like Ben. From my perspective as an outsider looking to get into this type of shooting I appreciate Ben’s thought process of breaking down what needs to be done to create a better environment. Looking at this situation from a broader perspective is exactly what a good leader should do.
I was DQ’d in Hotchkiss, CO at an IDPA match. Broke a rule, but did nothing unsafe. Had gun high (at window level) because I had just reloaded. Because I was shooting with my nice carry gun and not wanting to poke the window open with the muzzle, I used my other hand to poke the folding window down. I never muzzled my hand. But because my gun (pointed downrange) was at the same height as the window, the RO DQ’d me. I had a good run going too. Makes you want to not return for sure. Edited location more specifically.
I don't know IDPA all that well but that sounds like a stupid rule, in USPSA if you wave your hand with the muzzle your dq'd but just having the gun at the same height doesn't mean anything in USPSA
The fact there's a vocal minority who don't like a carry position that fuck things up by misinterpreting rules and manipulating rules to get their way REALLY needs a purge. It's incredibly frustrating for me in a wheelchair as thanks. To the shoulder rig ban (which is a dumb rule with regards to horizontal rigs) appendix is the only way I CAN carry. It's just moronic and damaging the sport
This was the biggest reason why I stopped competitive shooting in 2007.🤷♂ I still shoot, I just decided I did not need some weekend warrior that was no more experienced than I, telling me what I was doing wrong, and it was not just me.
That's how it is where I live and shoot. My home club and surrounding clubs have nothing but awesome ROs. And when I took the RO class from Jodi Humann it was awesome.
@LogisticallyMisrepresented yes equal originally. As I've thought about it more and got opinions from others, I never would of thought this was an issue, especially with skills shooters (you know). But I see alot of unskilled shooters (you know them as well). I'm leaning towards appendix, facing the 180 line, and drawing on a target directly in front of them. Would be about the same as a normal strong side shooter facing complely up range drawing one handed to a target directly on their right. Both stances the draw is intended to be on the 180 line. The holsters would be positioned similar (90 degrees). The muzzles would come out similar. The appendix people get a pass but the strong side shooter would have everyone questioning breaking the 180. This video definitely has people doing mental gymnastics. I think it all comes down to who the shooter is, as to whether or not there's any real safety issue.
You're a thoughtful person, @@TheStapler9000 . Yes, the line. In performance, was the line breached.? Was it sloppy.? Almost comes down to intent. Meant to be dangerous to save time ? Small degrees of encroachment that did not add hazardousness. The rule writing doesn't provide distinction. People point their car at you, a dangerous mechanism, frequently. Where is the r o.?
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented the guy in the video looks like he did just fine. I wouldnt worry if I was his squadmate. I'm cannot speak to rules and interpretations etc that's going into the rule weeds. While I would be comfortable with this person, the potential issue is when that C class shooter is up next, trys to mimic this guy. Unfortunately rules and laws are not written for the capable, they're written for the people that can tell you which color of crayon taste best.
So, I primarily participated (and also Match Directed) precision rifle matches. We had a similar 180 rule. Sometimes more 170 or 160 since we have more room to place targets in those windows. But, we would never have targets anywhere close to the safety limits for that exact reason. You're just tempting fate. Pistol matches don't need tarts at 179deg. You can test people with target arrays closer together but make them alternate at different positions. Going from 160 to 140 then from 140 to 90, then to 60. Etc. And still challenge your shooters.
ROs please remember the main goal is to have fun and build the sport, not kill it. Get rid of the 180 trap stages and the sport will grow. *makes it’s easier for new shooters to get invested into the awesome world of shooting sports*
I got DQ’d at the area 4 Championship match this year by an RO who called me on a 180 break that was so small… it was during a slide lock reload too, AND he waited until I finished the stage to say something. Which is how you know it wasn’t a “safety” thing. It definitely makes it hard to want to compete in major matches, as expensive as they are, when you know these type of guys will be there.
@@thomas-918 Stage five. I was reloading while moving laterally parallel to the berm right to left. My muzzle broke the 180, but never pointed uprange towards others or the RO. It was still well inside of the wall to my left. I understand these are the rules, and I also agreed that I most likely broke them (even if by a small margin). Which is why I did not contest it. The odd part was how calm everyone was. It was clear that no one felt like they were in any danger. Only one of the RO’s called it, and he waited till I had finished the reload and engage multiple targets to call stop. So it clearly wasn’t a “safety issue”
I like my local club's outlaw matches. ROs are nice and will give people warnings rather than DQs if and only if safety/range rules are getting close to be a problem. We also do funny rifle matches in a pit that's being actively quarried so our "180" rule often ends up being more narrow or wider than actually 180 degrees depending on where the stage is positioned since each stage isn't in a nice little perfectly square box like the action pistol ranges. Common sense safety is what's actually important not memorizing a rule book.
The constant rule confusion is why IDPA is unfortunately so misunderstood. I've been trying to help simplify the confusions to people because I think most shooters make the IDPA rules more complicated than they really are. I hope one day to work my way high enough in IDPA to help clarify and improve the grammar of poorly worded rules.
The first rule of RO's is "don't be a dick". I don't call a DQ unless it's really bad .I've talked to a bunch of people about things that are close to help them learn.
I don't really understand why Officer Fudd didn't ask the guy before the match, "ok, lemme see your draw dry, to make sure we are good about the rules, friend"? If something is wrong, then a talk about corrections can start.
I’ve been a ref / official for other sports and one of the ideas I was always told - you are there to enforce the rules without getting in the way of play. If you do your job right, no one should remember that you were even there. And the “not seeing his junk” comment was me. I can’t stand dudes like that RSO.
i bet that ro had already dq'd someone and this shooter saw it and was ready. also 180 traps like this should be considered range malfunction and not be allowed.
I’ve had serious issues with RO’s in my local IDPA and I know I’m not the only one who has seen/heard/had the same interactions with them and the attendance numbers reflect that.
I've shot a couple outlaw matches at local clubs but since my want is to shoot competitively, this whole situation points me more towards becoming an RO myself and trying to influence the sport in a positive way. Shooting is cool and fun and maybe those of us with a similar mindset should get certified and contribute.
I ran into a range Nazi at my first major match. He started his stage brief with a warning he’d DQ us for unsportsmanlike conduct if we didn’t do exactly as he said. Really turned me off. His name: PVH. He got his.
We all hate those jerk range officers, but there's a massive shortage of range officers because nobody wants to volunteer. There are a lot of decent range officers that get criticized and beat up because of a call a competitor didn't like but people need to remember it's a volunteer sport. None of those range officers are getting paid and are there simply because they want to help out
I have been to a one PRS match. Compared to our usual order we do weapon handling it is obviously overly safe but of course you should have it ready. One other guy, also first time, had no safety on upon starting. The RO saw it beforehand also and still started the cof and immediately gave him warning and so the guy lost the whole stage. You can guess if I or that guy ever did another PRS match.
At this point they should just have a vehicle inspection, make do a gear check from holsters to shoes to sunglasses, and a physical from a doctor clearing you to participate in this event
My first competition was in 1993, I was a kid but I could see how close knit these guys were. One bad RO never got invited back. Competitions have gotten bigger and have bigger problems.
From other hobbies, we have stringent community focus codes of etiquette for any volunteers in our organization. If they're being toxic and violating those codes, they're still welcome to participate (unless they overstepped our code of conduct) but they're just not welcome as volunteers or representatives of our organization. It is kind of funny how comfortable stage designers are putting deliberate 180 traps in match stages. Are those good for anything? Do they make matches more interesting to shoot somehow that us non GMs don't understand?
99% of ROs are very very friendly and supportive as they are/were amateurs. That idiot power hungry 1% is there to crush everyone, the community should need to keep them on leash with standing against their stupidity on spot that is the only way. You can't defeat them in their own game, they are 'the' rulemasters. However be prepared as you will meet them, they can't avoided for good. My personal story is about a holster which was perfectly fine due to the rulebook, buy RO didn't like it. He said it is a magazine holder with that tried to humiliate me, I didn't care I had expected that, so I quoted the rulebook, stood my ground MD came, it was fine, the RO lost the battle. Everyone was pleased, but no one from the community came to stand by me against that particular RO as if they did they will be punished by that guy later on... So please as a community try to be supportive and support the starters against the infamous jerk ROs.
I shot an IDPA match where I was DQ’ed not for flagging myself but for having the muzzle outside a box which wasn’t on the door but should have been. It was so ridiculous that I just laughed and practiced precision rifle.
I've never had a bad RO. Only DQs I've seen were reasonable. Only time a DQ corrected me was when he pointed out I was close to breaking the 180 while unholstering once
We had an RO kinda like that guy at the club I worked at. He tried to get on me about having a hot firearm at a competition even when the match director (my friend) had already said that staff could carry hot. I waved my friend over, he told the guy he was overruled, and i was allowed to shoot the stage. Shit really irked me mostly because the RO seemed to completely forget in that moment, that I work at that range and I am tasked with keeping members in line. In addition to my role at the club, I was wearing a Safariland ALS/SLS so my gun was quite secure. 😅
There have been instances where ROs and/or competitors go to the MD and say “This guy is terrible, inconsistent calls, out of control attitude.” and what’s awesome? The MD doesn’t ask them to come back.
I’ve RO’d probably thousands of shooters at this point at 2-gun matches and given the style, there are dozens of different firearms types. My rule as a RO is if you do something to make me or the crowd unsafe, you get a DQ. If you do something to make you unsafe you get a warning. No one wants to burn someone from the hobby or have them waste thousands of dollars on a technicality.
In D&D nobody likes rules lawyers. I was super popular as a DM when i still played because I made my games fun (fudged the rolls behind my screen and let players do goofy stuff with the rules if it was fun). my old group split up because we were going to college/getting full time work and the next group I found, we had a rules lawyer as a DM. Everything was as written. Dude had the rulebook memorized and could almost turn right to a rule. After about 3 sessions, I had enough. Haven't even had a drive to play since.
Had an RO say a miss wasn't a failure to engage (just a miss on a longer range target) only for the other RO holding the tablet to mark it failure to engage anyway. Guy was an ass the entire match after. Haven't been back to that range in months.
IPSC have the same problem - sometimes it seems that it is more important to know all the rules and be really carefully not to be close to them because the stages is design for rule failure competition instead a shooting competition. A good stage designer design stages that is hard and i rearing from an shooting perspect. It’s not always RO’s that is the problem even if it helps to have that are bragging after an game how they DQs shooter.
The culture at my local range is nuts. So bad that I only shoot matches where I really know the match director or the majority of people on my squad. Here’s a question, what safer, an unloaded rifle with a chamber flag or a bagged rifle?
I appreciate these vids for the following. I am not a USPSA competitor. I have considered it but I keep hearing about RO’s and others who are rule nazi’s. They usually are not the best of shooters as well. Nor do they handle changing times well. In the video I saw no safety issue and was baffled. WhT helps is hearing your take on it and hearing others who do compete as well, and the remarks you make in reply. It clarify things. With that said, at this point I would rather be a new version of an RO and not compete because I would probably choke out an RO like this guy.
I feel that any stage which makes you move backwards but point the gun in a direction that you can't simultaneously look towards while moving (and be fast enough to win) is a trap and is less safe than the 180 rule with an added Z axis rule (like pointing the gun down allows you to turn around).
The people who say this is unsafe or dude deserved a DQ are the same type of people who "Back their RO's" for standing at 181* so they can claim a 160* shot is actually past 180* because the RO claimed they could see the muzzle of the gun.
We have a local club whose rules that other ROs cannot call a DQ or cease fire for another squad. I have had a CRO that has done cross DQ/cease fire calling a few times. They also argued with me how to do a classifier CM18-05 (we were briefed wrongly by MD) I tried to speak up how to correctly do the classifier and even had videos online that I showed them… keep in mind these are videos showing the correct engagement strings. They then dismissed it as “those people are doing it wrong” How could 5 people post a video of a classifier and all 5 are wrong? Anyways They said to engage the classifier as T1-T2 and P1,P4 Then T3-T6 and P2,P3 We even had the paper in front of us The classic line from them is usually along the lines of “I am a CRO I know what I am doing” It genuinely made me frustrated that this CRO, way older than me let their title and ego get in the way when I tried to tell them what hyphens mean in terms of numbering. And how hyphens and commas are different
As a newer shooter, I wanted to be involved in some competition shooting just to improve myself. I would never win anything and don't care. However, seeing stuff like this makes me never want to step foot on a range with any competition with these ROs.
This is why I don't compete anymore... so much is subjective. I train a lot but will never compete again. The last time I competed, I got off sequence and someone screamed out he missed a target he missed a target. That was in 2020... never competed again. I've been a few times since to watch. But I would never compete. The politics are too much.
New rule: ROs can only DQ people if they are fit enough to run and catch them! This RO is an embarrassment to the sport and more importantly himself. I don't want to make it personal but the RO's actions were totally predictable based on his physicality. I enjoy shooting and training but I will never shoot USPSA because of people like this.
Not sure if you saw the comment I put on that video however I was shooting a match last week and the RO said I was slightly breaking the 180 upon reholstering I said sorry it won’t happen again. he said no problem just watch for it and that was that we went on with the day. That’s how a RO should be unless you’re doing something extremely dangerous or negligent if you’re not intentionally being reckless just a simple heads up, correct the problem and go on with the match.
I'm just getting into it after watching Ben's videos. I did my first bowling pin shoot last month. I have no interest in putting up with people like this. Not worth it. I can just time myself at the range
It’s fine you don’t want me to be an area director, but you have my position on this RO all wrong. I’ve been pretty public about wanting to change the RO culture in the same vein as what you are suggesting for years. Our club and myself accepting the role of running Multigun nationals was completely contingent on being able to train and use a fresh-to-USPSA batch of ROs to change this culture. I am actively working fixing this in the sport, so it’s ironic that you are trying to make me the face of the other camp. I simply chose to comment on a different aspect of this issue on the original post.
This kind of BS is one of the reasons I don't pursue competition more seriously. Even IF there was an actual problem, the RO set the shooter up to fail for a "gotcha" A local club went outlaw _expressly_ so they could continue to prohibit AIWB. When I asked why, the RO cited safety concerns. During that match, I saw the same RO muzzle across his entire pelvis 3 separate times and slam the pistol home in his 3 o'clock holster. Any credibility he's supposed to have was gone.
I walked away from competitive shooting years ago and vowed to stay away because of ROs and upper level individuals who were too busy to address simple problems killing the sports. I agree that the 180 rule is great but don't create scenarios that put the shooter so close to 180. Make setups a max of 145 with a 180 DQ or something. The RO should help keep the match safe, but take the time to warn the shooter if they think the shooter is about to do something that may cause a DQ. Shooters don't mine help and it promotes the sport. I have never seen a shooter pissed because I stopped them from performing an unsafe act. Sometimes they just don't understand different aspects of shooting or maybe they were never instructed on the proper format to use. You do that all the time in your classes.
Shitty RO's are why I don't shoot pistol matches anymore, I only shot steel challenge but the RO's were in my division and didn't like me beating them. The last straw was then I got to the line and they DQ'd me for my holster (no rules besides no serpas) I packed up and left and have never shot a match since. Almost 6-7 years ago now.
If this RO dude is watching this which I think he is. You’re a tyrant and should look in for a job in a teenage correction dept. Your eating to many donuts dude 🫵🏻
I avoid a local AIPSC thing because there's a core group who actively sneer at anyone who isn't interested in shooting open with a £1500 airsoft gun with a C-More. Some of the comments aimed at me when I wanted to shoot revolver when it was a provisional division... Holy shit. Same when I shot classic with a casual Iwb. They are this kind of RO as well and actively enjoy shitting on people and are totally happy to interpret the rulebook to screw people who aren't the cool kids. It ruins the sport. If il rather FLY to Brno or the channel islands to train and shoot than train here in the UK that's WRECKING the sport.
Certain professions attract power hungry people. Not sure what’s worse, TSA at the airport or range officers like this. Always some bad apples that make the other 98% of the profession look bad.
In my experience, most of these bad ROs are lifetime C class or low B class guys. Setting a minimum classification for a CRO cert would probably make a difference.
I would say as an RO my job is foremost to keep things safe and second to keep competitive equity so the match is fair. If I see a guy doing something that is going to violate a safety rule, for instance walking towards the safety table with a mag and a box of ammo, I am going to say something then rather than let it happen then DQ them for it because I'm not doing my job keeping things safe if I let a safety violation happen when I can stop it. And also, I'm not an asshole.
I have been an RO since 87 and CRO since 2022. Didn't see an issue with the shooter as presented in the video. The two things that I hate the most are as follows 180 Traps and RO Traps. See a lot of stages that are being presented over the last few years that push the edge of the 180 line and the comment is this is a big boy sport. Doesn't help the sport if what is being designed leads to folks being DQ'ED
Hey Ben, this is off topic but could you do a video on open vs closed emitters. I think either way I'll be happy with one or the other just trying to make a one time purchase. I recognize the benefits of closed with dot obstruction etc but not sure how the seals are holding up as of current aimpoint acro, trijicon rcr vs just getting an open sro or rmr
today RO came to talk me in private about my trigger discipline, he came to teach and not to DQ me. I said I learned my lesson and will train myself better habits. Most RO are good guys who just love this sport.
@petrilaakso7927: Same thing happened to me today (I was riding the reset and lit off an extra round). RO was very cool, came over after scoring and was very cool. I thanked him and told him I would do better.
What did you do to have him come talk to you if he wasn't going to DQ you?
I suppose my finger wasn’t off the trigger momentarily when I was moving between targets, not enough to DQ but I was happy to take feedback, I had no idea.
This is a mall cop phenomenon. You see it with online forum moderators, actual mall cops, security guards, etc. Some people just have a thing for power tripping. Organizations need to have dedicated policies to weed them out.
Hoa, upsa, volunteering there's a certain type of person that loves the power
Give a small man a small amount of power and he'll turn into a small dictator
I'd argue its an "all cop" phenomenon.
I briefly worked security at a condo a few years back. Most of the guys were chill, but there were a few that wanted to be called Lieutenant. They even had the rank embroidered on their security shirts. They were putting off mall cop vibes for real, it was really cringe.
ROs are the face of the Organization and ambassadors for the Sport, and that should be part of the RO training.
It is. If you took the time to study, take the course and pass the exam you would KNOW that.
@OrionCorsari Well, clearly, you knows more than me boss! I'm guessing you are an RO and just wondering if that's you in the video 😂.
My point is that it should be emphasized in the same way that safety is emphasized and that perhaps there may need to be some reeducation.
Yep I’m an RO - how astute of you and no that’s not me. I disagree with this RO’s call. My only point is that those who merely participate and haven’t taken the time to really educate themselves and contribute to the sport should not be shooting off their mouths about the RO course content they know nothing about. If the shoe fits, wear it….boss.
@OrionCorsari Fair. Since you are familiar with the course content, do you think it sufficiently covers or emphasizes the importance of ambassadorship? Or does it need to be updated?
@@OrionCorsariit seems like a lot of people in these comments think that range officers in USPSA are getting paid or something. I've worked about four majors and I hate it, I only do it because I feel a duty to give back to the sport
My local range is a disaster.
They inspect your tax stamp each time you check in which I indulge. sadly they have an absolute power hungry RSO that barks at you when you enter the range. He once told me to ‘stop where you are, I need to speak to you’ when I enter the trance when I was walking to my bay, which is annoying when it’s Hollared at you from behind whilst lugging 60 lbs of kit.
He then, just as I was lifting up my AR to make a shot shouted at me from behind ‘have you got a tax stamp for that suppressor’. Absolute shit show. They don’t have the right and the firearm and paperwork had already been inspected.
Shooters World Orlando, I’m looking at you.
Nationals level RO attempted to DQ me at a level 2 because I removed my ear pro while someone else was shooting. He said it was “unsportsmanlike”. This RO will likely continue to officiate at future nationals.
That's fucking insane... That should have had his card yanked.
Name him.
Lol unsportsmanlike
Ban FMJ ammo!?! So, I’m supposed to use JHPs or frangible ammo to practice, and increase my shooting budget by orders of magnitude? GFY, I’m finding a sane range.
“but it’ll piece the backstop bwaaahh”
That can have weird reasoning behind it. Usually some incident that they cant fix otherwise, can have insurance involved.
Range fudd tier rules at that point.
Never shot uspsa. Reminds me of a time I was buying my lady her first handgun and was looking at a new CC gun for myself. Was trying the triggers between hellcat pro and 365. The guy helping me didn’t care but the boomer employee came up and started yelling at me about dry firing and how it is horrible for striker guns. I calmly explained how POSSIBLY that was true decades ago but the guns are made to be dry fired now, dry fire is how most people do the majority of their training, & how I would agree with that for rimfire but not modern striker fired handguns. He then went on a rampage how he has been teaching firearms for 30 years and if I have ever taught firearms? That attitude of absolute superiority/correctness & manner of treating others seems to very common in that age range of the firearms community.
I will give him some credit though, he must have gone in the back and googled it because he called me back over 15 min later and pulled the guns out saying I could dry fire them hahaha.
I've been told by a "I've taught concealed carry for twenty years" type that you should never use the slide release lever, always grab the slide...
I shoot a cz p01, the slide is small, my thumbs are long enough to reach without changing grip, and I handle it regularly so my hands never forget.
Also if that's the case then why do the German duty pistols from walther and hk have such long slide release levers?
@@Blobertbigly my pistol's manual says not to use it as a slide release...
Has done a bunch of things that came to nothing. Has to work retail. Would have been dragged to his manager and fired on the spot if it was me. Id have gone somewhere else to buy guns, brought the receipts back to that store.
recently had an IDPA match where a target was placed on the 180 line, maybe off by 1-5deg (if I am being charitable) When walking the stage myself and others pointed this out and asked if the target could be moved because its really close to being a violation just from stage setup.
My turn to shoot comes up and as I move through the stage I engage the targets to the front, compress to move around a barrier then shoulder again on the target to the left, at no time did my muzzle break 180 and I purposely even engaged the left half of the target to ensure I didn't get close to the 180. Confirmed by all my hits being in left side of A zone and 1 left side C zone. RO yells careful a bunch of times as I do this and says whoa whoa whoa you almost broke 80, but I had already finished the stage as it was the last target. He says he isn't going to DQ me but that I shouldn't "swing around so wildly" and that I was "being unsafe"
he was exactly the sterotype you would expect, overweight boomer shooting a 1911. This was also my friends first competition match, he did fine and after seeing that moved extra slow on that stage to avoid the RO, as did everyone else after.
So they want you to go slow... in a competition? 🙈
Was this at BGSL last weekend?
That target was there during the night match, too, but the ROs weren't assholes.
This kind of power trip is so unfathomable to me. Handing out a DQ is the worst feeling, and I dread having to do it, which is why I often avoid running the clock. I've had to hand out a DQ on 3 occasions and I remember all of them.
The idea of WANTING to DQ someone is just alien to my mind.
I used to go to a range that had guys yell at you for how loud your guns are. Yell at you for "rapid fire." Yell at you for shooting steel, because the ricochet could hurt someone miles away. Yell at you for wearing "tactical" gear. It didnt take long for me to get trespassed.
I was yelled at an indoor range today. Shooting 25 yd bill drills and I was being mindful of the 1 shot per second BS they have. He said I was shooting too fast. I was using an SG Timer, I shot 6 rounds in 5.2 seconds. I showed him and he said it still sounded too fast. I was dumb founded. I stayed within the A Zone with a few Charlie’s , I packed up and left.
if you factor a 1.2 second draw then you shot 6 shots in 4 seconds. Not saying I agree with the rule but sounds like you broke it LOL
@ no sir , no drawing at my range big dawg. Just from compressed ready but rUlEz aRE rUlEsz.
I loathe those rules... Should be about your targets and safe handling not speed it actively encourages people to be garbage
@jediknight1294 I'm not defending ridiculous rules at a gun range but those rules apply to the lowest common denominator of people. I used to shoot at a public gun range and some of the shit I saw would blow your mind. People that have never fired a gun before decide to mag dump a whole clip while holding the gun with one hand sideways and Goofy shit like that
@mariosmith8456 oh I know, I worked as an RO. My view was always look at the targets and their general handling.
If you're doing 1.2s bill drills at 25m and punching the centre of the target out, clearing guns as the range goes cold and muzzle discipline is good i don't care if you're doubletapping.
If yiu're shooting groups at 5y that look like my 100y buckshot pattern and waving it around like a rap video you don't get to rapid fire.
Rules need to be based on Competency, like the range I worked at had the draw from Holster test and fire on the move tests for access to pistol bays vs just shooting from the benchline.
It allowed for nuance.
It's only happened a couple times to me, and each time I didn't argue with the RO on the spot. I don't want to hold up the match or cause a delay for my fellow competitors just because someone is bad at their job. Instead, I went and talked to the MD and got it all sorted each time.
Just remember it's not their job though, theyre only volunteering. that doesn't excuse people that try to screw people over, but there are a lot of honest mistakes that range officers make but once again they're only there because they're trying to help out
@@mariosmith8456that's a shit excuse for not holding people accountable for their attitude.
It is the MD and RMs job to unfuck shit ro calls and they need to do it by sacking crap ros
Ben actually got hyped up. Hot damn!
Ben’s rebuttal to Adam Maxwell really highlights the reason why I like Ben. From my perspective as an outsider looking to get into this type of shooting I appreciate Ben’s thought process of breaking down what needs to be done to create a better environment. Looking at this situation from a broader perspective is exactly what a good leader should do.
I was DQ’d in Hotchkiss, CO at an IDPA match. Broke a rule, but did nothing unsafe. Had gun high (at window level) because I had just reloaded. Because I was shooting with my nice carry gun and not wanting to poke the window open with the muzzle, I used my other hand to poke the folding window down. I never muzzled my hand. But because my gun (pointed downrange) was at the same height as the window, the RO DQ’d me. I had a good run going too. Makes you want to not return for sure.
Edited location more specifically.
I don't know IDPA all that well but that sounds like a stupid rule, in USPSA if you wave your hand with the muzzle your dq'd but just having the gun at the same height doesn't mean anything in USPSA
That's just an example of a moronic rule... Wow
Gabe White was the original concealed AIWB guy shooting USPSA. He got tired of defending AIWB and had a few "almost DQ's" and eventually gave it up.
The fact there's a vocal minority who don't like a carry position that fuck things up by misinterpreting rules and manipulating rules to get their way REALLY needs a purge.
It's incredibly frustrating for me in a wheelchair as thanks. To the shoulder rig ban (which is a dumb rule with regards to horizontal rigs) appendix is the only way I CAN carry.
It's just moronic and damaging the sport
This was the biggest reason why I stopped competitive shooting in 2007.🤷♂ I still shoot, I just decided I did not need some weekend warrior that was no more experienced than I, telling me what I was doing wrong, and it was not just me.
Been lucky
I have had some awesome ROs
Taking my RO class soon and I hope to be as productive/fair as the ones I had
That's how it is where I live and shoot. My home club and surrounding clubs have nothing but awesome ROs. And when I took the RO class from Jodi Humann it was awesome.
This has been living in my head today rent free. I can see it both ways.
Equal.?
@LogisticallyMisrepresented yes equal originally. As I've thought about it more and got opinions from others, I never would of thought this was an issue, especially with skills shooters (you know). But I see alot of unskilled shooters (you know them as well).
I'm leaning towards appendix, facing the 180 line, and drawing on a target directly in front of them. Would be about the same as a normal strong side shooter facing complely up range drawing one handed to a target directly on their right. Both stances the draw is intended to be on the 180 line. The holsters would be positioned similar (90 degrees). The muzzles would come out similar. The appendix people get a pass but the strong side shooter would have everyone questioning breaking the 180.
This video definitely has people doing mental gymnastics. I think it all comes down to who the shooter is, as to whether or not there's any real safety issue.
You're a thoughtful person, @@TheStapler9000 .
Yes, the line. In performance, was the line breached.? Was it sloppy.? Almost comes down to intent. Meant to be dangerous to save time ? Small degrees of encroachment that did not add hazardousness. The rule writing doesn't provide distinction. People point their car at you, a dangerous mechanism, frequently. Where is the r o.?
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented the guy in the video looks like he did just fine. I wouldnt worry if I was his squadmate. I'm cannot speak to rules and interpretations etc that's going into the rule weeds. While I would be comfortable with this person, the potential issue is when that C class shooter is up next, trys to mimic this guy.
Unfortunately rules and laws are not written for the capable, they're written for the people that can tell you which color of crayon taste best.
So, I primarily participated (and also Match Directed) precision rifle matches. We had a similar 180 rule. Sometimes more 170 or 160 since we have more room to place targets in those windows.
But, we would never have targets anywhere close to the safety limits for that exact reason. You're just tempting fate.
Pistol matches don't need tarts at 179deg. You can test people with target arrays closer together but make them alternate at different positions. Going from 160 to 140 then from 140 to 90, then to 60. Etc. And still challenge your shooters.
When there's targets placed so close that it's about avoiding a movement that's the obvious movement you'd actualy make it's so incredibly dumb
ROs please remember the main goal is to have fun and build the sport, not kill it. Get rid of the 180 trap stages and the sport will grow. *makes it’s easier for new shooters to get invested into the awesome world of shooting sports*
I got DQ’d at the area 4 Championship match this year by an RO who called me on a 180 break that was so small… it was during a slide lock reload too, AND he waited until I finished the stage to say something. Which is how you know it wasn’t a “safety” thing. It definitely makes it hard to want to compete in major matches, as expensive as they are, when you know these type of guys will be there.
I did not argue with the RO, or the MD. I also did not contest it at all. I packed up my things. Watched a few more stages and left.
@@TheDrPepperFairy23what stage Clayton?
@@thomas-918 Stage five. I was reloading while moving laterally parallel to the berm right to left. My muzzle broke the 180, but never pointed uprange towards others or the RO. It was still well inside of the wall to my left. I understand these are the rules, and I also agreed that I most likely broke them (even if by a small margin). Which is why I did not contest it. The odd part was how calm everyone was. It was clear that no one felt like they were in any danger. Only one of the RO’s called it, and he waited till I had finished the reload and engage multiple targets to call stop. So it clearly wasn’t a “safety issue”
He's slowly turning into Rick Grimes of USPSA
I like my local club's outlaw matches. ROs are nice and will give people warnings rather than DQs if and only if safety/range rules are getting close to be a problem. We also do funny rifle matches in a pit that's being actively quarried so our "180" rule often ends up being more narrow or wider than actually 180 degrees depending on where the stage is positioned since each stage isn't in a nice little perfectly square box like the action pistol ranges. Common sense safety is what's actually important not memorizing a rule book.
8 minutes in and I almost wish this was Pranka sipping on alcohol reacting to these comments
bring pranka back
Better than Hop and Brass cuddling in a camper.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Brass and Hop only cuddle to keep warm ... I think.
Watching pranka make a drunken fool of himself is pretty hilarious.
The constant rule confusion is why IDPA is unfortunately so misunderstood. I've been trying to help simplify the confusions to people because I think most shooters make the IDPA rules more complicated than they really are. I hope one day to work my way high enough in IDPA to help clarify and improve the grammar of poorly worded rules.
The first rule of RO's is "don't be a dick". I don't call a DQ unless it's really bad .I've talked to a bunch of people about things that are close to help them learn.
I don't really understand why Officer Fudd didn't ask the guy before the match, "ok, lemme see your draw dry, to make sure we are good about the rules, friend"? If something is wrong, then a talk about corrections can start.
Makes sense
Because it was never about safety. It was about exerting "power" and ruining a shooter's match.
I’ve been a ref / official for other sports and one of the ideas I was always told - you are there to enforce the rules without getting in the way of play. If you do your job right, no one should remember that you were even there.
And the “not seeing his junk” comment was me. I can’t stand dudes like that RSO.
I want to get into this but they need a culture of teaching instead of a culture of canceling
Most matches aren’t actually like this. Go try it out.
i bet that ro had already dq'd someone and this shooter saw it and was ready. also 180 traps like this should be considered range malfunction and not be allowed.
I’ve had serious issues with RO’s in my local IDPA and I know I’m not the only one who has seen/heard/had the same interactions with them and the attendance numbers reflect that.
I've shot a couple outlaw matches at local clubs but since my want is to shoot competitively, this whole situation points me more towards becoming an RO myself and trying to influence the sport in a positive way. Shooting is cool and fun and maybe those of us with a similar mindset should get certified and contribute.
I ran into a range Nazi at my first major match. He started his stage brief with a warning he’d DQ us for unsportsmanlike conduct if we didn’t do exactly as he said. Really turned me off. His name: PVH. He got his.
Great topic.
We all hate those jerk range officers, but there's a massive shortage of range officers because nobody wants to volunteer. There are a lot of decent range officers that get criticized and beat up because of a call a competitor didn't like but people need to remember it's a volunteer sport. None of those range officers are getting paid and are there simply because they want to help out
I have been to a one PRS match. Compared to our usual order we do weapon handling it is obviously overly safe but of course you should have it ready. One other guy, also first time, had no safety on upon starting. The RO saw it beforehand also and still started the cof and immediately gave him warning and so the guy lost the whole stage.
You can guess if I or that guy ever did another PRS match.
At this point they should just have a vehicle inspection, make do a gear check from holsters to shoes to sunglasses, and a physical from a doctor clearing you to participate in this event
Thunder Ranch requires frangible ammo since they moved from TX to Oregon.
That’s more of a lead ban because they live there.
My first competition was in 1993, I was a kid but I could see how close knit these guys were. One bad RO never got invited back. Competitions have gotten bigger and have bigger problems.
From other hobbies, we have stringent community focus codes of etiquette for any volunteers in our organization. If they're being toxic and violating those codes, they're still welcome to participate (unless they overstepped our code of conduct) but they're just not welcome as volunteers or representatives of our organization.
It is kind of funny how comfortable stage designers are putting deliberate 180 traps in match stages. Are those good for anything? Do they make matches more interesting to shoot somehow that us non GMs don't understand?
99% of ROs are very very friendly and supportive as they are/were amateurs. That idiot power hungry 1% is there to crush everyone, the community should need to keep them on leash with standing against their stupidity on spot that is the only way. You can't defeat them in their own game, they are 'the' rulemasters. However be prepared as you will meet them, they can't avoided for good. My personal story is about a holster which was perfectly fine due to the rulebook, buy RO didn't like it. He said it is a magazine holder with that tried to humiliate me, I didn't care I had expected that, so I quoted the rulebook, stood my ground MD came, it was fine, the RO lost the battle. Everyone was pleased, but no one from the community came to stand by me against that particular RO as if they did they will be punished by that guy later on... So please as a community try to be supportive and support the starters against the infamous jerk ROs.
Ben you need to calm down with the blue steel.
I know a 75 year old RSO HATE to see me coming. Lucky for them I never train on a flat range.
I shot an IDPA match where I was DQ’ed not for flagging myself but for having the muzzle outside a box which wasn’t on the door but should have been. It was so ridiculous that I just laughed and practiced precision rifle.
Power trippers !!
I've never had a bad RO. Only DQs I've seen were reasonable. Only time a DQ corrected me was when he pointed out I was close to breaking the 180 while unholstering once
Here for the Beard Arc of the channel.
If someone wanted to compete, are there alternatives to these organizations?
Where can I find the original video?
Banning FMJ?! That is completely insane 😂
Why the only organization I stick to is PCSL
We had an RO kinda like that guy at the club I worked at. He tried to get on me about having a hot firearm at a competition even when the match director (my friend) had already said that staff could carry hot. I waved my friend over, he told the guy he was overruled, and i was allowed to shoot the stage. Shit really irked me mostly because the RO seemed to completely forget in that moment, that I work at that range and I am tasked with keeping members in line. In addition to my role at the club, I was wearing a Safariland ALS/SLS so my gun was quite secure. 😅
There have been instances where ROs and/or competitors go to the MD and say “This guy is terrible, inconsistent calls, out of control attitude.” and what’s awesome? The MD doesn’t ask them to come back.
STAHHHHHHHPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!
Go home you’re drunk again!
I’ve RO’d probably thousands of shooters at this point at 2-gun matches and given the style, there are dozens of different firearms types. My rule as a RO is if you do something to make me or the crowd unsafe, you get a DQ. If you do something to make you unsafe you get a warning. No one wants to burn someone from the hobby or have them waste thousands of dollars on a technicality.
In D&D nobody likes rules lawyers. I was super popular as a DM when i still played because I made my games fun (fudged the rolls behind my screen and let players do goofy stuff with the rules if it was fun). my old group split up because we were going to college/getting full time work and the next group I found, we had a rules lawyer as a DM. Everything was as written. Dude had the rulebook memorized and could almost turn right to a rule. After about 3 sessions, I had enough. Haven't even had a drive to play since.
Had an RO say a miss wasn't a failure to engage (just a miss on a longer range target) only for the other RO holding the tablet to mark it failure to engage anyway. Guy was an ass the entire match after. Haven't been back to that range in months.
IPSC have the same problem - sometimes it seems that it is more important to know all the rules and be really carefully not to be close to them because the stages is design for rule failure competition instead a shooting competition. A good stage designer design stages that is hard and i rearing
from an shooting perspect. It’s not always RO’s that is the problem even if it helps to have that are bragging after an game how they DQs shooter.
Whoa, shots fired at D&D! Nerdy girls throw down don't hate!
The culture at my local range is nuts. So bad that I only shoot matches where I really know the match director or the majority of people on my squad.
Here’s a question, what safer, an unloaded rifle with a chamber flag or a bagged rifle?
Link to original video? I want to see this.
th-cam.com/video/iiNAKoE7kr0/w-d-xo.html
Never realized how rule lawyer'y competition shooting is.
Go to an IDPA match. The lawyering is insane. Like 10x worse than uspsa.
Im a member of a gun club. No RO. Bad thing is no rifles either.
I appreciate these vids for the following. I am not a USPSA competitor. I have considered it but I keep hearing about RO’s and others who are rule nazi’s. They usually are not the best of shooters as well. Nor do they handle changing times well.
In the video I saw no safety issue and was baffled.
WhT helps is hearing your take on it and hearing others who do compete as well, and the remarks you make in reply. It clarify things.
With that said, at this point I would rather be a new version of an RO and not compete because I would probably choke out an RO like this guy.
Targets should be at a maximum of 160 degree. Targets shouldn’t be at 178/179
I feel that any stage which makes you move backwards but point the gun in a direction that you can't simultaneously look towards while moving (and be fast enough to win) is a trap and is less safe than the 180 rule with an added Z axis rule (like pointing the gun down allows you to turn around).
Is it difficult to find people who want the job?
Stages built with 180 traps, or nearly so, are kinda bullshit too.
The people who say this is unsafe or dude deserved a DQ are the same type of people who "Back their RO's" for standing at 181* so they can claim a 160* shot is actually past 180* because the RO claimed they could see the muzzle of the gun.
Hopefully the RO sees this video and contacts you to explain himself.
Focus should have them on and then question his pedigree. And call him a MiG-15
Focus needs to have them on. And Ben needs to call him a MiG-15
We have a local club whose rules that other ROs cannot call a DQ or cease fire for another squad.
I have had a CRO that has done cross DQ/cease fire calling a few times.
They also argued with me how to do a classifier CM18-05 (we were briefed wrongly by MD)
I tried to speak up how to correctly do the classifier and even had videos online that I showed them… keep in mind these are videos showing the correct engagement strings. They then dismissed it as “those people are doing it wrong”
How could 5 people post a video of a classifier and all 5 are wrong?
Anyways
They said to engage the classifier as
T1-T2 and P1,P4
Then
T3-T6 and P2,P3
We even had the paper in front of us
The classic line from them is usually along the lines of “I am a CRO I know what I am doing”
It genuinely made me frustrated that this CRO, way older than me let their title and ego get in the way when I tried to tell them what hyphens mean in terms of numbering. And how hyphens and commas are different
My girlfriend got me playing DND now 😂
Elitism Mindset: The Fudd club doesn't care that you all don't want to participate, you're just not good enough to be on the range with them.
As a newer shooter, I wanted to be involved in some competition shooting just to improve myself. I would never win anything and don't care. However, seeing stuff like this makes me never want to step foot on a range with any competition with these ROs.
This is why I don't compete anymore... so much is subjective. I train a lot but will never compete again.
The last time I competed, I got off sequence and someone screamed out he missed a target he missed a target. That was in 2020... never competed again.
I've been a few times since to watch. But I would never compete. The politics are too much.
New rule: ROs can only DQ people if they are fit enough to run and catch them! This RO is an embarrassment to the sport and more importantly himself. I don't want to make it personal but the RO's actions were totally predictable based on his physicality. I enjoy shooting and training but I will never shoot USPSA because of people like this.
Not sure if you saw the comment I put on that video however I was shooting a match last week and the RO said I was slightly breaking the 180 upon reholstering I said sorry it won’t happen again. he said no problem just watch for it and that was that we went on with the day. That’s how a RO should be unless you’re doing something extremely dangerous or negligent if you’re not intentionally being reckless just a simple heads up, correct the problem and go on with the match.
I'm just getting into it after watching Ben's videos. I did my first bowling pin shoot last month. I have no interest in putting up with people like this. Not worth it. I can just time myself at the range
And it's funny cuz im a lawyer 😂
It’s fine you don’t want me to be an area director, but you have my position on this RO all wrong.
I’ve been pretty public about wanting to change the RO culture in the same vein as what you are suggesting for years. Our club and myself accepting the role of running Multigun nationals was completely contingent on being able to train and use a fresh-to-USPSA batch of ROs to change this culture. I am actively working fixing this in the sport, so it’s ironic that you are trying to make me the face of the other camp.
I simply chose to comment on a different aspect of this issue on the original post.
This kind of BS is one of the reasons I don't pursue competition more seriously.
Even IF there was an actual problem, the RO set the shooter up to fail for a "gotcha"
A local club went outlaw _expressly_ so they could continue to prohibit AIWB.
When I asked why, the RO cited safety concerns.
During that match, I saw the same RO muzzle across his entire pelvis 3 separate times and slam the pistol home in his 3 o'clock holster. Any credibility he's supposed to have was gone.
I walked away from competitive shooting years ago and vowed to stay away because of ROs and upper level individuals who were too busy to address simple problems killing the sports. I agree that the 180 rule is great but don't create scenarios that put the shooter so close to 180. Make setups a max of 145 with a 180 DQ or something. The RO should help keep the match safe, but take the time to warn the shooter if they think the shooter is about to do something that may cause a DQ. Shooters don't mine help and it promotes the sport. I have never seen a shooter pissed because I stopped them from performing an unsafe act. Sometimes they just don't understand different aspects of shooting or maybe they were never instructed on the proper format to use. You do that all the time in your classes.
Shitty RO's are why I don't shoot pistol matches anymore, I only shot steel challenge but the RO's were in my division and didn't like me beating them. The last straw was then I got to the line and they DQ'd me for my holster (no rules besides no serpas) I packed up and left and have never shot a match since. Almost 6-7 years ago now.
DnD catching strays lol
I've picked up girls playing D&D. I've played D&D with most of my girlfriends and with my wife.
Some body needs to tell the r o,
dont be That Guy
ha ha, all the AH's felt targeted.
I started volunteering to RO because I got tired of shitty ROs
If this RO dude is watching this which I think he is. You’re a tyrant and should look in for a job in a teenage correction dept. Your eating to many donuts dude 🫵🏻
Cadê os brasileiros aqui em busca de conhecimento? 😂
I avoid a local AIPSC thing because there's a core group who actively sneer at anyone who isn't interested in shooting open with a £1500 airsoft gun with a C-More.
Some of the comments aimed at me when I wanted to shoot revolver when it was a provisional division... Holy shit. Same when I shot classic with a casual Iwb.
They are this kind of RO as well and actively enjoy shitting on people and are totally happy to interpret the rulebook to screw people who aren't the cool kids. It ruins the sport.
If il rather FLY to Brno or the channel islands to train and shoot than train here in the UK that's WRECKING the sport.
This video at 00:50 is an example of an RO not trying to DQ someone. th-cam.com/video/cD2mOMuH0ZI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FHA8CzHFlA_YAD-q
Certain professions attract power hungry people. Not sure what’s worse, TSA at the airport or range officers like this. Always some bad apples that make the other 98% of the profession look bad.
The real problem is that if this guy isn’t going to be an RO, who is?
Maybe it should be the other competitors?
Hey, hey hey Sir.... this is the internet, we are supposed to comment without knowing the context.
In my experience, most of these bad ROs are lifetime C class or low B class guys.
Setting a minimum classification for a CRO cert would probably make a difference.
I would say as an RO my job is foremost to keep things safe and second to keep competitive equity so the match is fair. If I see a guy doing something that is going to violate a safety rule, for instance walking towards the safety table with a mag and a box of ammo, I am going to say something then rather than let it happen then DQ them for it because I'm not doing my job keeping things safe if I let a safety violation happen when I can stop it. And also, I'm not an asshole.
I have been an RO since 87 and CRO since 2022. Didn't see an issue with the shooter as presented in the video. The two things that I hate the most are as follows 180 Traps and RO Traps. See a lot of stages that are being presented over the last few years that push the edge of the 180 line and the comment is this is a big boy sport. Doesn't help the sport if what is being designed leads to folks being DQ'ED
Hey Ben, this is off topic but could you do a video on open vs closed emitters. I think either way I'll be happy with one or the other just trying to make a one time purchase. I recognize the benefits of closed with dot obstruction etc but not sure how the seals are holding up as of current aimpoint acro, trijicon rcr vs just getting an open sro or rmr