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Shooting Flames! Launch Control & Flat Foot Shifting Tutorial. (Megasquirt)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Updated video with more information on Launch Control setup: • I Fixed My Launch Cont...
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Alright everyone, you know the drill. Questions or comments? Drop them below. I did my best to explain everything but I'm sure some parts were confusing. ALSO one small note: if you have a 1.6L car, you need a VTPS in order to use this feature!
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Not a miata guy, but I really enjoy your vids! Congrats on 30k!!
Thank you man it's right around the corner! (Belated) Congrats on your 20K too
TheCarPassionChannel Much appreciated dude!
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@@TheCarPassionChannel hey buddy I want to do.this to a auto car. But I want to.have a switch for it so It dont 2 step everytime i hit brakes. I want to run it off my brake light switch like how u running it off ur clutch. Would a 2 toggle switch work
Im a89 foxbody. I need to tap pin 30 at ecu. Help please.
2step and nolift shifting has never been clearer to me. Great video Greg!
zero dislikes, why people gotta like you so much...
Tyler if you jinx it I swear XD
I went for a ride in a Miata about a week ago.... I used to have very strong feelings against them... Now I want one and definitely subscribing man great cars great videos and great tech talk
These megasquirt/tunerstudio how to videos are very helpful, and well produced. Thanks for posting them
i've been building cars for a while, and i still learn something new whenever i watch your videos.
I still don't have a Miata and yet I watch your videos. I don't think I will get one but I am thinking of putting a turbo on my MR2.
I could be wrong, but wouldn't it be better (Maybe even cheaper) to just buy a turbo MR2 motor? Or is the turbo pretty easy to install? Or do you just want the fun that comes with building
Subscribed when I got really interested in Miatas. Couldn't find a decent one I could afford and gave up. Now I finally have one, and suddenly you pop back up on my front page.
I'm going to have to backtrack through all of your stuff, because mine has a long way to go.
Thankfully the ME221 ECU has anti lag and 2 step as well! Can't wait for the turbo kit and 3" catback to arrive and then SHOOT SOME FLAMES!
+Luca Car Mods You shouldnt run a cat if you are trying to shoot flames, thats something Greg forgot to mention in the video
+Weldon Marcus I know.. Cat is bad 😜
I've got the same ECU but still having issues with the clutch switch working, might have to try wiring it up like Greg shows and see if it works.
Hooray for Turbo MX5's, I can finally join in with saying how good they are
Could never get my launch control to pop and bang on meite with my me221 Luca. What's your trick
Love your Mega-tutorials! Super clean and organized
Please keep do some more!
hi Greg im a big car fan ,i just got a mk2 NB 1.6 crash damaged, you having giving the bug to turbo my car , your videos have giving me so much information ,thanks.
I love your car and your vids. I keep losing love for my Eunos, but everytime you upload a new vid like this... makes me want to finish project moneypit! Keep up the solid work!
I drive a 12 valve cummins and even i like these miata videos !
Haha that's what I like to hear! (Please don't roll coal on me)
This is fucking cool, I want this! I'm currently rebuilding my 1.6 for turbo, I've been playing with the idea of putting a zm-de head on my block from a protege because the ports are bp4w sized. I'm gonna start putting a list of questions together for you sir, prepare yourself! lol thanks man, for the inspiration
+unknown1creature That head swap sounds like the best thing you could ever do for a B6. Has it been done before?
I've found a forum where a guy posted lots of pictures and checked fitment but he never finished posting, I really want to try this as i have 2 motors, but i think it may need a custom head gasket and maybe cams, please check it out and let me know what you think, you're welcome to dm on Instagram @unkn0wncr3ature www.miataturbo.net/build-threads-57/hybrid-b6-zm-de-engine-build-62722/
I just wanted to say Your videos are extremely informative and have helped me in many ways! And I really need to stop watching before I go to sleep because It makes me want to go out and drive my miata!
We definitely need a megasquirt in our Miata. That launch control 👌👌👌
Great video Greg.
+Cafe Sociiety Hit me up if you ever have questions on the install!
I think it would be interesting to link the brake pedal to the on/off flat foot shift switch so that it'll automatically turn off when you brake to enable heel and toe while being on otherwise to keep the turbo spooled, I haven't seen anyone do that yet though
thanks for all the useful info on Megasquirt! I'm new to the MS and watching all your videos has helped me greatly! I have a PIMPx ecu on my turbo coupe thunderbird. keep up the awesome work!
Thanks for the video ! you answered a lot of my question about setting up megasquirt in this series. your videos are about the most concise that I have seen. keep the videos rolling!
i'm planning on wiring my launch control to a toggle switch, is it as simple as just getting 12v switched into the launch control pin on the megasquirt's options port or the other way around? thanks for your burble tune video btw.
@@Tripifyy absolutely! No worries
@@TurbineResearch 🔥🔥, so just to confirm, the launch control pin coming off the options port is looking for ground to engage launch control, right?
Bummed! I will be in the mts with zero cell reception and Internet! I have some suspension and trouble shooting questions. Either way I will check the whole video Monday when I'm back. Thanks for the awesome videos with zero made up bs!
+f2rder You got it! I have way too much information to pack into these vids, no room for fluff.
sadly i can't drive a car because i am only 15 still really love your miata because of you it became my favourite car
I love your videos, very simple and easy to understand: no matter how much dayquil ive had. Keep them up!!!!
Greg makes videos for people that want all the technical wizardry that comes along with cars! (Something that MCM and other channels stray away from) if i ever meet you one day, beer is on me.
+Matthew Pearce I'm taking you up on that.
guys for those of u who are struggling to get this mod to work on your miata (like i was) i found out that 90-93 miatas that have/had cruise control will not let the megasquirt launch control function work properly. all i had to do to get this setup to work on my miata was simply unplug the cruise control switch from the clutch pedal. for whatever reason when that switch is plugged in it interferes with the signal from the starter switch and the launch control would always stay on?? anyways i found this solution to work for me and my car hope this helps! i also have a short clip of the lc on my channel!
love the videos. you should do one on closed loop idle! I'm about to pull my hair out trying to get my idle right with my headlights on
Much luck with the witchcraft of idle tuning. I just deleted the ISCV and AAV, lol.
Wow that was an awesome tech video thanks brother
Greg you are the real MVP! Awesome video man! keep it up
I solved my downshift rev limit problem by raising the enable TPS at 90% so when I'm only flooring it will my 2-step work.
+Bruce Le My problem with that is I don't launch at full throttle, sometimes 50% or less. But that can be a solution for many setups.
i just put a megasquirt pnp in my 94 miata and setup the launch control and it is all the time no matter what
Great video that made the concepts very easy even if you don’t own a Miata. Thanks!
I don't even own a Miata and this was super informative. Thanks Greg!
+Mike Shook Glad to hear!
Wonderful video. Still would love to see your set up on mega squirt. Like EVERYTHING. I'm sure a lot of us would like to know officially.
dude. This video is fantastic.
Good stuff Greg! Keep up the good work.
This video makes me want to go buy a Miata.
The Broke and Boosted series got me to go get mine. 10k miles and < 3 months later, I'm in love with this little car, and that's before I've got a snail in it. DO IT! :)
james Thaddeus How is it after 4 years now?
thank you for this awesome tutorial, so easy to follow and well explained.
Great videos, very underrated channel! Keep it up ! :D
Awesome work !!! Keep it up
nice 1! Getting realy curious on broke and boosted
+Teun 1994 Picking it up this week from the exhaust place. Got a couple tweaks to make on the street and it will be ready for the dyno.
Nice, Good luck!
Could you do a video on how to set up that switch on the tombstone?
Thanks for this video, it's so useful...
+TheCarPassionChannel as far as flat-foot shifting goes, if the limiter is interfering with rev-matched downshifting, you could put a second switch under the gas pedal and put it in series with the clutch switch. you can still rev out freely and rev match when necessary, but you still get flat-foot shifting benefits.
TheCarPassionChannel good point, I didn't think about that.
Just an idea that I had for you about this switch on the dashboard what if you were to use in Old headlight dimmer switch from a car from the 70s era that's mounted on the floor put it right next for you to put it on the left foot rest at the top then that way you could hit it real for hit it real quick with your foot
This is awesome. Any way to set it up to 'disable' flat foot shifting/launch based on braking? This way you could use it on a road course/track day but not have to manually intercept it.
There are a couple ways you could do this, I used to have a physical switch that would activate/deactivate it so if I was canyon running or AX etc, I could just turn it off. Now that you mention it, I think you could put such a switch somewhere on the brake pedal arm so it would deactivate under braking only, allowing free revs for downshifts. Good idea!
After watching this video my street cred is already up 1000%
i had a thought, if you changed the position of you switch to the start of the clutch press cycle not the end you shouldnt get the rev jump between gears
Congrats on 30k
This is Mega Awesome!
Another great video 👌
I just set up a MSD 6al box and the 2 step on a 94 mustang GT... I tried -5° and +20° timing spark cut only and either way it sounds like a 50cal... I’ve had 2 steps on other cars all straight piped but never anything like this!!! I’m gonna try spark/fuel cut and see if it’s not so bad... it’s so loud right now it hurts 😂
*_Awesome video! I like it_*
finally decided i needed to subscribe
your videos are awesome man!! lots of info and very detailed about everything👍👍👍
I subbed cause I love ur info n miata. :)
does it have to be boosted in order to get launch control?
Nope!
Hot damn thats cool features. My car weirdly has that launch thingy stock.
huge question is what vtps is usable??? i have had such a headache trying to find something that would work without having to shell out the $200 for the flying miata conversion kit! if you had any tips i would really appreciate it! thanks man love the vids keep it up!!!!!!!! you've helped me decide to turbo my car. love Myles DeSha
Can you make a switch that turns on/off spark cut only? I want to be able to be loud when needed but be able to downshift when I’m cruising in the hills. If you can you should make a tutorial!
Very easy, just wire a simple on/off switch into the clutch signal wire. Used to run that same exact setup.
you should do a cooling system video!
s12c and js9 needs to have a jumper, i use a ms3x idk if the others need it
amazing video
can you please change the time to the afternoon. A lot of people have school around that time. thanks you for reading, love the videos keep it up.
That's what they get for having school on a Saturday!!!!!!!!!!! (I was considering night time but I figured everyone would be out partying). A large portion of the followers are in the U.S. so I figured that'd be the best time to do it.
Okay, that's understand able. Thanks for replying quickly.
have you ever thought hooking up a switch the the brake pedal (or using the stock brake switch) to open the circuit instead? Would probably allow some awesome flat foot action, without interfering with you heal tow (rev matching). its something I've worked out a few years ago, but never had time to implement.
That's a genius idea. The only thing it wouldn't prevent is 2-step interfering with rev-match downshifting without the brake pedal (Like downshifting to pass on the highway).
+TheCarPassionChannel True, hadn't thought about that. Apart from having all over the freezing place, you got to use what's best for you. (Could use a "NOS" button on the steering wheel for a press to pass, Fast and furious stile! lol)
forgot to put a "switches" in there
Where is the neutral switch on the 1.8 miata 1996?? How does the wiring look like?? I tried to unplug it and it will not work.
Do you need an aftermarket tps (throttle position sensor) in an earlier Miata (90-93) to setup launch control??? Please help!! I've been reading but can't find much anywhere:(
Babymiata93 you need a vtps
clutch / neutral switch
huh, can't you just reprogram the ecu to that case?
I wouldve thought it could be done that way too, maybe he lacks the programming skills and it was just easier to do it physically
Clutch switch and neutral switch wiring issue... many manufacturers wire the car for auto and manual and use the same harness. This may be the source of that issue.
Aww yeah now I can actually join the stream, so excited! Now I have a question, do non cruise control cars have the cruise control switch, because that could be why my LC/FS doesn't work.. It doesn't even work with the car in neutral. Also, do you need a vTPS for it to work? I'm running the car with no TPS at the moment because of MegaSquirt and not being able to find a BMW one yet, but it would be a reason for me to upgrade the TPS (which I'm gonna do anyway but still)
+JaguarJay Crap, totally forgot to mention that you need a vtps. That's most likely the reason yours does not work.
+TheCarPassionChannel Fair enough, guess who's ordering one really soon :P Thanks for the ultra fast reply, I love these longer how-to videos!
JaguarJay Excellent man, I try not to let it get too boring, and keep a wide variety of installs/etc coming.
Okay so I finally got a TPS installed and my launch control works.. in neutral :\ Problem is, since I have a euro spec MX5, I don't seem to have the starter interlock switch "clutch switch" which is depressed when the clutch is fully depressed. I only have the clutch switch on top that's depressed when the clutch is fully engaged. So I can't wire the neutral switch to the clutch switch. It's probably because in Europe we are more used to driving manuals so it's not needed to have the starter interlock switch or something like that... It sucks but I guess I'm gonna use a reed switch and haggard something up sometime :P
Any tips on setting this up on the 97? I have mine set to the the Launch input in tunerstudio and i got nothing. Did you have to do any wiring for the existing clutch switch? ps im running a MSPNP2
awesome video bro !
!very nice! We need more budget megasquirt people around! Go e85, use GM sensor and crank up the timing! ohh it was worth it for me..
I run straight E85 without a flex sensor. And yes, very worth it.
I ran straight E85 for the first year, ended up going Flex because E85 pumps are few and far between I like to drive the car to work and back. Easy install, not bad to tune takes some fiddling which is what we like to do :). I used GM # 13577429..
Detonation MS2 or MS3?
+TheCarPassionChannel MS3x currently. I came across a 3X really cheap on eBay, someone had given up their project. I was using MS2 a few years ago. it's not on a miata though, I have a sr20 powered 240sx. I've been using megasquirt since the ms1 on a Mazda mx6 turbo. I really believe that megasquirt has taught me more about cars than anything.
Detonation Me too, I owe a lot of my education to MS.
Fire ballzzzz
You could have put a switch in the gas pedal so that it only activates the flatshift at full throttle, making your on/off system automatic.
What if I want to launch the car at less than full throttle?
@@TheCarPassionChannel You would need a switch to bypass the gas pedal switch
@@eduardomargutti So the on/off system would again become, not automatic. Lol
@@eduardomargutti Besides, you don't need a switch to activate launch control at certain throttle %, Megasquirt does that already.
@@TheCarPassionChannel My line of thought wasnt including launches, only going foward, like in a race. So you wouldnt need to flick a switch every time you needed to rev match. And if you wanted to do a launch, you flick the switch and the gas pedal switch will be non-existent.
Hi & great vid, Greg. So you have changed the turbo already, what hp is your car making now? Can't wait for the next one, B&B hint hint
+Bobbie Wahab I haven't had it on the dyno, but looking at several virtial dyno pulls it's around the 260whp mark at only 12psi. I'm not going to push it too hard until I get on the dyno.
Your channel is going to drive the price of Miata's up I better act quickly and get one now.
Greg, great video love the channel, but i have a NC, do you know any channels out there that have content like yours but for the NC?
What made you go with mega squirt vs. adaptronic I know on the forums there is controversy over which one is the best to run?
Way more turbo Miata people run MS than anything else, so I figured that would be the best way to go.
question? on the flat foot shifting getting in the way of heal/toe, could you add a interrupter type switch to the break pedal so whenever you're on the brake it disables the flat shift causing you to heal/toe in a normal fashion then when your back on the gas you have your flat shifting again?. Just a thought so you wouldnt have to physically do anything.
Yes. The only issue with that is if you're just rev-matching without braking, it will still interfere. (I do that when exiting a highway or if traffic starts to slow down, etc)
You could also have a button and install it on your shifter or something similar to his toggle switch to where you could have it on all the time, but it will disable it if you press a button on your shifter as you are doing a maneuver.
I don’t know if you’ll see this, but I want to do megasquirt on my z31 300zx na and I’d like to do my own harness and of course have 2 step and all that good stuff. What do I need and how can I learn how to do all of the tuning?
can you make a tutorial on setting up anti lag on megasquirt?
so by putting the jumper in the connector you can start the car without pressing the clutch in?
Good reviews greg I didn't get which Rev liter I should used also you said you can used it on a stock ecu? Also do you have any car passion steakers?
So one of my wires from my clutch switch goes to the ms2 clutch switch Lin or the launch control pin. I have the 26 pin ms2 pnp. I thought one wire from clutch switch goes to ground. And the other one just goes into the ms2.. I just don't know if it goes to the clutch switch pin or launch control pin
Want to get ecu and minor mods before turboing and tune car up/do maintainence before I dump money into the turbo set up, would I still be able to make noises and flames without turbo? Lol and have 2 step/launch controll on a switch. Sorry for my basic ass question 😅
Exactly what kit and components did you purchase for the mega squirt program and ecu? I would like to know for my car. Thanks man. Keep it up.
MS2PnP with IAT kit and Serial - USB adaptor. Mega Log Viewer and Tuner Studio MS both have free versions, but I have the registered versions.
You didn't get it quite right. Launch control builds boost on full throttle when you're standing still. antilag builds boost when the car is rolling and the throttle plate is fully closed and it needs an extra air supply to get air for the combustion in the exhaust manifold when you shut the throttle plate. I am building antilag on my Sierra Cosworth and I'm going to use a modified idle control valve to supply the extra air. I allready have the anti lag wired and enabled in the ECU but it doesn't work yet because it doesn't get enough air through the stock ICV.
+cossiedrifter This style of launch control will not build boost with the car standing still.
+TheCarPassionChannel That's probably why it's called 2-step. Mostly just a second rev limiter. Allmost no one uses that in Sweden. It's boost building launch control or nothing. I have launch control on my Cosworth. It shoots flames and builds boost. But no antilag yet.
+TheCarPassionChannel But the system you use looks like "real" launc control (my definition).
Hey cool videos, I have a question, leaving only spark cut will let injectors still working. So fuel will be kind of "washing" the lubrication out of the cylinders if it's not ignited and the friction between piston rings and walls will increase a lot? I am not sure if I'm wrong, but this sound like bad idea for the engine, what do you think?
I have a 1991 miata and I’m confused about 2- step what do I need to have it or how?
Hey Greg ,I need some help I got a 93 miata with pnp2 and I just got the flying Miata vtps. I installed it and I even flipped the wires like people have said to do and I got no reading on my ecu. I have jumper on the variable pins on the ecu and still no change. I can’t figure this out. Please help !!
So probably a noob question here but I'm trying to make 2 step work on my MS2PNP on my Nissan but Everytime it engages and i launch the car it kicks back on and doesn't let me rev over the value i have set? I have the clutch switch wired to my clutch switch input on my options port
I have a 1.8 NA. So all I would do is just unplug the neutral safety switch? I have bought a block off plate to block the clutch switch so I could start the car without the clutch (switch on firewall, not the one above). Would that matter?
My megasquirt is arriving this week so this video could not have come at a better time! Thanks buddy, enjoying your videos very much.
Also quick question, would it be detrimental if my ecu receives a permanent clutch-out signal? What I mean is, when you intercept the signal to trick the ecu, does it affect anything else? fuel/spark tables, cruise etc. etc.
+iXiiN I'm not sure what you mean by a permanent clutch-out signal?
+TheCarPassionChannel Trying to word this is harder than it should be haha.
When you turn your switch off so that Launch/FS no longer activates, this is because the ecu is tricked into thinking the clutch is 'out' or not depressed, so the entire time you drive with that switch off, the ecu believes the clutch is not being pressed, even if it is.
Did that make more sense?
iXiiN You're asking if that affects anything? No it does not. At least not on my setup.
Okay cool that's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks. I wassn't sure what the ecu really uses the clutch switch for apart from launch/FS but I guess nothing is the answer haha.
iXiiN To my knowledge, nothing important.
What pin is the clutch wire on? I'll be running a microsquirt on an LS swap 944, I'll have to wire in a clutch switch
I got it working on my 97 - great fun :) - the clutch switch is independent.
I want to set it up on my friends 95 miata, is it the same setup as yours ? short the clutch switch and wire the neutral switch as the input on MS ?
Why can't just short the natural switch and use the clutch switch as your input ?
Thanks !
I have no idea, seems like each year has a different problem with the launch control circuit.
Hey Greg t.j here from Phoenix next to Mike the Miata king. At Miatameca I have a 94 1.8 turbo Miata with a ms2 PNP full program of tunerstuido. I have a db26 connector to add stuff so I tried to setup lunch control by hard wireing in to a switch to turn on and off using clutch switch and the lunch control but the switch is not working when I turned lunch control on it's always on clutch in or out luanch control is always on but I trying to make it work at the flip of a switch any ideas hope to here back
Maby i missed it but is this only for turbos, or for naturally aspirated too
8:39 for those that came for gunshots :D
+KoNLaR Don't forget 10:35
+TheCarPassionChannel 10:24 Why did you lift your throttle foot the first shift, but not the second shift (flat-footed)? If the feet shifting clip and the tail end clip were filmed at the same time, then that would mean that the backfire was caused by the opened BOV on the first shift.
Also, I get that the engine experiences spark cut during flat foot shift but does it also cut fuel as well? I'm assuming that it does or else you'd get backfires.
Eddie Trevizo I lifted partially on the first shift just by habbit, lol. Actually the GoPro runs were filmed completely separate from all of the in-car runs. If you run spark cut only, you might still get through a flatshift without any backfire if the revs never drop low enough to hit the secondary limiter.
Eddie Trevizo Apparently people are liking it, I was afraid it was a bit boring.
hey Greg, ive been working on my 1990 1.6 miata and i bought an assembled DIY ms2 from diyauto and after wiring up my harness im not getting any tac signal.. and my ms2 is not seeing any tac either and giving me an error. and in turn the car is not starting...all the wiring diagrams for 1.6's from the internet are different... do you know or have a diagram that will work?
dude that was u at margerum park. could hear u from a mile away. lol. i live down the street from that park
Hahaha my bad man, didn't mean to terrorize the neighborhood.
+TheCarPassionChannel didnt mind hearing a nice car.
Orion Shea This thing is noticeably louder with the new turbo on. I kinda wanna straight pipe it for a couple days to see how it sounds.
+TheCarPassionChannel do it. it would sound so good
+TheCarPassionChannel straight piped spitting woupd be so sick
For some reason it activates without my clutch pushed in. It will activate even if I'm just driving and i hit that rpm. For some reason selecting launch as my input will send me a error and my car won't start. I know i have a clutch sensor but it looks like it's pushed in all the time when the clutch isn't pushed in. Any suggestions for what I should do?
I know this vid is 5 years old but I’m trying to get a miata as a first car. What year do you recommend and what are things I should look out for when buying one or owning it?
I have an even older video called "how to buy a used Miata" that's got some tips in it. As far as the year, it depends on if you plan to modify it and if you like the NA or NB body style. Basically the newer engines are a little more powerful and make more power with mods. The 1990-1991 have a "short nose" 1.6 that's less desirable due to possible crank failure if neglected.