@@txties2730 it's good for school, I am using a tablet for way complicated stuff for high end gaming and editing, and i also have a £5000 budget so... I am getting other stuff. But other than that the ipad air 2 is good in 2020 for school.
I have an iPad and ended up purchasing a Surface Pro. The iPad is I credibly powerful, some apps available go beyond my expectations. But at the end of the day it’s still a tablet that can’t run full desktop software. I found my self carrying my iPad and MacBook. The Surface is more of a computer than a tablet but a decent bridge between both.
Man I have the same problem I need good notes and notability for windows but is not available ... I was using word with an Xp-pen 13 pro artist tablet but I don't like I need a software dedicated to take notes but I don't like office so I think that I need an iPad but is not that I want can you recommen me good software for take notes on windows?!
Thanks for the effort. iPad is a tablet that is almost a laptop and Surface is a laptop that is almost a tablet. As a distant teacher, I would prefer the Surface for having a fully functional laptop with a handwriting feature on my lap. A macbook pro with a detachable touchscreen would be the best combination ever 😃
Apple wants to make money and differentiate their product from the other products out there, all in one bundle is just gonna make them a Surface pro copy cat plus they will lose a lot of money from existing apple fans who buy both these products for their apple ecosystem. Personally I own an apple phone bought my gf the x max, but computer tablet wise i would rather carry one only and it better not worth and arm and a leg.
@@NoahHerman Hy! Can you make the onnete app to a4 paper size like in notability in ipad? For printing it would be a must, i would need it for school to show my exercise book.
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Not one sided lol he states all the time he uses iPad and half the time has no idea of what is available on Samsung or windows that outperforms any app Apple has . Apple products and tech do not go together at all. Lol 😂
@@martinsauer8856 I'm biased, but I feel like unless you're gaming, it doesn't really matter. That's not the limiting factor of how long it takes for either tablet to process an input.
As an electrical engineering student i definitely recommend surface pro. I have to do some programming a use other programs and ipad just could not do it. Also stylus us much smoother and better on surface pro for writing/drawing(at least for me and my friends). edit: typos
It's funny how Apple considers having a shitty touch based OS with limited apps as "Pro". Not to mention horrible file management, single USB C port and fixed storage. It can't run any CAD, 3D rendering, MATLAB or any programming IDE like VS or Eclipse. For engineers or scientists, the ipad pro is anything but pro.
Btw guys if you start your college with a Surface Pro - I would advise buying the extra tip pack for the Pen, too. Many ppl prefer different amounts of drag. For instance I found that I could write much faster and cleaner with the red hard tip - but I like the blue soft one for diagrams and concept drawings. So try it out.
I am an Windows fan and android fan too, will never use a mac book or an iPhone. But tablet.. This rewiew is light, don't know if i am allowed to post a link in here but I've seen compared both on running video, opening and running apps, and what I'm interested in the most was video /photo editing. Surface pro was no match whatsoever to apple one.
@@shaina992 the surface pro 5, 6 and 7 don't seem to have any issues with battery expanding. The only models I have heard having battery expanding issues is pro 4 or earlier (or surface book 1).
I was just thinking that. The two operating systems are being blended together more and more each year so I feel like that’s the next logical step. I hope they do that. I’d pull the trigger on a iPad Pro then.
@@acelakid94 That was quite literally the only deciding factor between getting the ipad and the surface. The ipad just feels and behaves like a big iphone and that's annoying. I have an ipad 5th gen and it's so mediocre.
@@baykennish1189 I have a 1st gen iPad mini and 2nd gen iPad. I stopped using them years ago because of the limited capabilities of the software. Hearing your experience with a more updated one is disappointing, but not surprising.
Just got mine in the mail today. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxhcEDB3r-OJ3_X5hQzr7k1ZofTQy1ao_U The corners of the box was a little smashed but I think that’s more of the shipping’s fault. iPad was in perfect condition though. I ordered the yellow one thinking it was going to be a bright vibrant color. Instead I looks like more of a Gold color. I personally prefer the gold look. Definitely not disappointed but just a heads up to the ones expecting a brighter cream of yellow.
I have a pretty decent windows laptop. I wanted to pair my laptop with either the surface pro or Ipad pro for note taking in school. I have tried both of them, I went with the Ipad pro. Ipad just had a better writing experience between the two.
Exactly, very well said. If someone already has a functioning (nothing fancy needed) then they can comfortably get the iPad for going paperless while doing the few tasks that the iPad is unable to do so on their laptop. And for the other set of people, getting a surface would probably be a great choice considering that it can function as both.
Noteability has the ability to change the color and style of your paper. You can go from lines to a grid pattern and different colors. And you can record your lectures directly from the app. Tracking your notes as you record. So if I want to review and hear what was being said at the exact moment I was writing, it will allow me to do that. Best note taking app hands down.
If you click the options menu in notability and select paper, you can actually change the paper from grid, lines, dotted or plain and you can also change the colors, but its not as good as good notes and I think that downloading PDFs and copying and pasting them into the note is better. Hopefully they will make an update in the future that allows us to make our own templates
Noah Herman I think with one note you get different paper backgrounds and forms too, but good note has more options and the ones you showed seemed like more authentic paper fabric, subtle differences
Noah Herman one thing about one note that’s a bit annoying is you can’t have page separation, it is just a massive blank space so it can be hard if you want to organize things by page numbers
THAT'S the video I was waiting for! Thank you so much! Suggestion for next comparison videos: If you could for the specs, prices and related stuffs write it on the screen. Would help us have a better view of the devices being shown/compared to.
I am a medical student and I recently bought an iPad Pro 2020, I got the 11inch variant and I must say it has been doing everything I could possibly think of. I use it to take notes and type documents. I never faced any issues with it and I would recommend it if you are a student like me.
@@rana2985 Hi, I only required a laptop when I started to do a lot of research work that needed me to work with Excel and SPSS a lot, so I ended up getting a laptop for that. Most of my studying and note-taking is still done on my iPad.
Something that I just thought of by someone asking me, is what's better "an iPad Pro or the Surface Pro 7?" When I began to think about that question, that automatically made me think of a pro's and con's list. It did not take me long to arrive to answer the person asking the question. What you have to realize, is that as great as the iPad Pro is, it's still an iPad at the end of the day. An iPad still runs a trimmed-down operating system that relies on apps. Whereas the Surface Pro 7 runs a full version of Windows, which has both an App Store, and you can download outside programs if you can't find what you're looking for in the Microsoft app store, on an iPad you can't. On an iPad, you are restricted to the app choices through the app store. This means, if what you are wanting to do, can not be accomplished through an app, then you are out of luck when it comes to working on an iPad. Also, the iPad does not support full screen when connected to an external display. Now some apps do support full-screen mode on an external display, but they can sometimes be unstable. On the Surface Pro 7, you do not have this issue. You can either set it to mirror your display or extend it to another screen and it will display in full screen. I had tried using an iPad as my primary work computer, but could not find an app for everything I do. Although Safari is supposed to be a full-functioning web browser, it does operate all the time as a full browser like Chrome. If you rely on Chrome extensions, you will not be able to replicate them on an iPad. As great as an iPad is, you have to really think about what your needs are? How can those needs be met? What is my budget and which device offers me the best value? If the work output outweighs the cost of the device, then you have your winner. Great video Noah.
Great Video, man! To the people who're complaining for a tablet being more expensive than a full-fledged computer - Many don't realize this, but if you're comparing prices of the compared devices, then also consider their integration with the ecosystem. On Notes app on iPad, the moment you take a note (handwritten or text) it instantly reflects on your Mac and your iPhone, no 3rd party installations, no lag, no refresh needed! And it works perfectly! You can argue that OneNote does the same, but for anyone who's tried using OneNote on 2-3 different devices will vouch how inconsistent its performance is.
In Noteability you CAN change the form of paper and add lines etc. Furthermore it has an inbuilt ruler, meaning if you draw a line and hold, it will make it completely straight. The same can be done with triangles, squares and circles. The same applies for highlighting, which makes it much more visually appealing when highlighting. Additionally I feel that the eraser tool on the Pencil is better, because you just double tap rather than flipping the pencil. This is faster and more convenient when taking handwritten notes imo.
I have a love/hate relationship with Apple. I have no love for Windows and almost a love for Android. Your contrast and compare was more than interesting and gave some good points about each. I'll still be saving up for an iPad Pro being one of the oldest students who watches here (in my early 6th decade).
Good video, but I recommend that you spend a little bit more time playing around with each app and learning its features before doing a comparison. There were several things I noticed about a couple of the apps. As has already been mentioned, Notability does offer a choice of different background papers. They also offer the ability to import or purchase linked PDF planners, calendars, etc. (So that if you click a link in the PDF it opens another section/tab of the PDF.) Notability has poor text editing abilities, and very poor RTL (right-to-left) support. While they offer handwriting-to-text conversion for most Latin alphabet based languages, they don't offer it for more complex scripts like Hebrew or Arabic. I use Notability for taking notes in a mixed language setting, (I'm a graduate student in Israel so I often have readings in either Hebrew or English, while the class discussion might be conducted in the other language.) I will handwrite Hebrew notes, but I don't attempt to type Hebrew in Notability because it will only left justify, not right justify. That's an easy fix, and I have written them about it, but they have not implemented that feature yet. Regardless, the ability to simultaneously record audio while writing notes, and have both synced to each other is the main reason I use Notability. I used to use OneNote for that feature on a Surface Pro, but the iPad's superior handwriting speed and recognition caused me to switch. I find the Surface Pro lags too much, and it makes my handwriting look like a preschool child when I'm trying to write quickly, while my handwriting on the iPad looks exactly the same as if I wrote on paper. OneNote is a much more powerful app than you let on. It offers research integration for students, an almost infinite workspace, the ability to quickly add space between things that you have already written, etc. You also did not mention, which is a huge omission, that OneNote on the iPad doesn't offer the ability to record audio while you take notes. The Windows version does, but the iPad version doesn't. Microsoft knows that if they offer feature parity between the Surface versions of their apps and the iPad versions of their apps, that more people would get the iPad. Seriously, there is no hardware or software limitation preventing them from adding the feature, and if you go to their OneNote features request page for iOS, you'll see that the most requested feature is audio recording while taking notes. But they refuse to offer it. Too bad. I actually prefer OneNote, but I like the handwriting experience on the iPad better. So I use Notability instead of OneNote. :( The video is well made, and I enjoyed it, but the content could use a little more polishing.
I don't understand why people use Windows tablets in desktop mode and say they aren't touch friendly. Windows 10 did a great job giving you a immersive full screen tablet experience with every program if you activate tablet mode while keeping the same desktop experience. But not many people seem to use it.
OneNote in windows has a lot more features- eg 1. In Ipad you need to reach the to portion and select color of highlighter EVERY single time, vs in windows, it pops, the moment you run mouse over it by selecting it 2. You can record while you take notes in windwos - can't do so in ipad 3. Tagging is present in windows, not in ipad AND MANY MORE.....
Hugo The Normal iPad is a horrible writing experience imo. The non laminated display and 60hz refresh rate with a paperlike screen protector would make you still pull out a real notebook
@@natskar I've tried it from a friend in uni and it was a really solid experience. He also had paper like screen protector and i felt like it was pretty good. I also had an Surface before and now switched to a Lenovo Yoga. If only for the writing experience, id say the ipad feels the most natural of the three. I wouldn't pay $700 extra just for my note taking device tbh.
Hugo Yeah no the iPad Pro is great, I was only referring to the normal iPad, I mainly just hatee the non laminated screen, it always feels as if you’re never actually touching the surface of the display
I’d recommend you the 11 inch version If you carry it around a lot, I actually retuned the 12,9 for the 11‘ cause it just got too heavy and bulky to take on the go
Although I just bought iPad Pro 12.9 inch, glad to know we have another good choice. Bought iPad Pro, magic keyboard, air pod, it turns out that I don’t good safe to bring them to school or to library. They cost me two or three thousands CAD.
I have had both but the pen experience with iPad is more life-like. What I have done is install remotix and run a remote PC for situations where I need a Windows environment. Then o have both worlds at hand.
Great comparison video Noah❗️ I do use Notes on my iPad Pro but not a lot. If I took more notes I would look at the different Note Apps that are available but the Apple Notes is working great for me and I continue to learn that it can do more than I thought. I really do like the Native Apps that come with the iPad, I use Reminders, Pages, and Numbers also and the scan tool on the iPad is super.👍✅✏️
@@tahanumansimsek Yeah but I won't invest 800$ for an iPad which cannot help me in competitive coding and also Machine Learning requires a lot of storage which is not possible on ipad and App development is a far thought.
You cover a certain niche in YT. For varying your content within this niche, i suggest you also start testing out Chromebooks and 2 in 1 devices. I’m sure your viewers will agree. Especially comparing them like you have in this video, since the ones out there currently aren’t thorough enough. Ex- Chromebook vs iPads, why an XPS 2 in 1 could be a great device students for note taking and working on. So on and so forth. Vary it up, theres plenty you can do in this niche youve cared yourself. IDM lesser smartphone content either (personally)
Excellent review, I have both Surface Pro and Go and the first gen iPad and I agree with everything you say here. Goodnotes is simply the best note taking app around. I need windows hence I have the surfaces. Thanks for the heads up to penbook I will definitely download it to the surface.
Hiiii, I own a surface go and macbook pro 2015. I'm looking for a new replacement for my surface go that I can use for note taking and to replace my macbook sometimes when I'm outside of my home. I can't decide between surface pro 7 vs ipad pro. I wouldnt use it much for multimedia but mostly for note taking during lectures. What would you recommend for me between theses two devices.
Tbh you must be crazy to pay more for an iPad(which is just a very very good tablet) than for a Surface Pro that is really a Windows computer. You can do way more than just note taking with the Surface Pro than you can with the iPad. And if you're only interested in note taking, I'd say iPad 10.2 is a better deal
Guess some ppl just have a whole set of apple system that syncs better, but now there are lots of windows clouds apps that should be no problem. I have a MacBook and just wanted a tablet for note taking so I got the iPad Air 10.5 256, it’s not too high a price with a newer processor, but I will consider getting surface definitely when I need to change my laptop
@@serenazhang676 yeah that's possible. Apple ecosystem is a great thing and it's hard to get out from it once you really get used to it. Personally I'm waiting for some discounts on Surface Pro 7 with i7 processor as I'll really need all that extra horsepower during next few years and I love how versitile Surface Pro is
I remember having issues using iPad as a leftie, specifically palm rejection not being very reliable. Did you find this an issue too? I am now using an SP7 and left handed support is perfect for me.
But actually tablet UI on windows 10 quite suck 😂, tablet experience in desktop UI (come with Windows 10 May 2020 update) is better. And I hope that we will have new UI after windows 10X come out
I would prefer to have a surface pro with FHD screen with 144hz rather than QHD. Seriously the tablet screen is only 12" compared when we used to have 32" TV and monitors in FHD which was working fine.
@@novaltomy8336 No, but for me it's a lot easier to write on screen protectors with paper-like texture. My hand gets tired way faster trying to write on a glass surface because of the lack of friction, especially because the Surface Pen is heavier than most regular pencils/pens.
I just wish that Android tablets received more support than they do. I bought one recently and while I can use any app pretty much, the majority aren't optimized for it.
Man I really hope microsoft makes the surface pro 8 be a clone of the surface pro x, but with a regular CPU. I wanted the surface pro x, but the whole arm thing was a no-go. I just sold my ipad pro 12.9 because the multitasking absolutely sucks, so I’m due for a new computer very soon.
I mean again, surface runs a full desktop os. Why do we keep comparing these two. Try coding something on iPad. Run vs code, webstorm, install ionic, write a java program, open terminal and do an ssh ?? Sorry its still an iPad.
Yeah this is kinda the deal breaker for the ipad. its still too limited if you want to do more than media consumption and take notes. the surface is really versatile if you need to occasionally use it for working.
Writing experience with apple pencil on ipad can't be explained in words.Its just so smooth and fluid.For students who take notes, I would definitely recomend, iPad pro,with very high quality notes taking apps like notability and good notes. Moreover battery life on ipad is way better.
Right, I only had to replace my battery once in the 5 years I had my surface pro 4. The pen’s battery life is pretty damn good especially since I used to use it for illustration.
Surface for productivity is everything However if you want down time and use a lot of apps that you’re accustom to using on Apple products It won’t be available on surface That’s the part that sucks for me I’m going to keep the surface pro and buy an iPad Pro I just wish there was a full tablet/laptop experience that you can have productivity and fun 🙄 If anyone has suggestions I’m open to listen Thanks
Notability has paper backgrounds. Also, you don’t need a ruler because the lines self-rule if you hold at the end of your line draw. Try using it more, and I think you’ll find it more capable than you appear to think it is.
So I upgraded my sixth gen iPad for the 2020 12.9” pro and knowing I have the extra power (even though the sixth gen was good already) makes me feel more confident, I do a lot of photo editing and some recreational drawing and it just runs so flawless, and if you’re already in the ecosystem I say go for it.
Great video. The title has the iPad on the left but on the video the iPad is on the right. Also it would've been nice to have a label showing identifying each device on the video.
Surface Pro for people who,d like a better computer, experience (in a tablet) The iPad for the better tablet experience. I had both, to many compromises on the iPad Pro, the pencil has a better flow for drawing but still exilent for writing. The Surface Pen I found better at writing notes than drawing. Still as a tablet the iPad can’t be beat. Using the Surface as a tablet is a pain, better as a mobile laptop that can also take notes. I unfortunately can,t use an iPad as my only machine, thats why I sold the Surface, bought a Macbook Pro and kept the iPad.
Hiiii, I own a surface go and macbook pro 2015. I'm looking for a new replacement for my surface go that I can use for note taking and to replace my macbook sometimes when I'm outside of my home. I am going to keep my macbook and give the surface. I can't decide between surface pro 7 vs ipad pro. I wouldnt use it much for multimedia but mostly for note taking during lectures. What would you recommend for me between theses two devices.
Notability app is really awesome. You can have your pdf and notes all in one app. Windows you need pdf app like drawboard and one note for notes. Now you need to also add remarkable tablet if we are getting serious about note taking experience
There is one defining factor to wether Wich one you should buy, because ipad is clearly better in note taking, but surface is also very good and has WINDOWS, which for engineering students or anything that requires a little bit of specific software is the real game changer, so if you are just going to take notes and do normal stuff, buy ipad, if you need a little bit more of a 1000dolars computer, buy surface.
Thanks for the informative video Noah, I am just curious about the paperlike, is it possible to layer it with a glass film, like I would put the glass film first and then the paperlike, would that affect the efficiency of the apple pen?
I owned the smaller version of both tablets, Surface Go and iPad Mini and currently torn which bigger version to buy and integrate into my work flow. So far I find the Mini a bit useless. I'm using Go much more as a note taking device during meeting etc and it also act as my main work device. But, since I'm using an iPhone and already got iPad Mini, I really wanted to complete the sets and buy an iPad Pro. I'm currently leaning towards Surface Pro though. But I'll wait for the next batch of new stuffs both company will offer and decide than 🤗
The apple app store is larger than the Windows store but lets not forget that the surface can run countless actual full version softwares from the browser, something which the ipad cannot do
I mean surface pro is easier to use. Thought about getting the iPad Pro, but the fact it bends so easily n you need some dedicated apps to take notes on pdfs, and other documents kept me away from getting it. whereas on surface pro, you can just open the document up in Edge and take notes with no problems. idk if things are gonna change with the new update of iPad OS 14, but defo not gonna get the 2020 iPad Pro.
As a physics student that plans on attending graduate school in about a year, I'm torn on whether I should go with a Surface Pro (or some other cheap 2 in 1 laptop for notetaking) or if I should just get an Ipad (or other writing tablet). It seems like the Surface Pro or other 2 in 1 is a cheaper, unless I buy an older model Ipad, and the writing of the Surface Pro is better. But I really want to get a Mac because it is apparently the standard for laptops among theorists, due to it being built on Unix and using the Linux operating system. I also want to eventually invest in a good gaming desktop, to replace my six year old gaming laptop, which will almost certainly use Windows. So it seems like a waste of money to get a 1000 dollar windows laptop, if I will later get a Mac and a much more powerful Windows desktop. I think I would much rather get a cheap writing tablet, so I can get a Mac now but I don't want to sacrifice writing quality by getting something cheaper. This all overall seems pretty expensive overal, so maybe the best solution is just settle for a decent gaming laptop with a touch screen for now and then I can get a Mac later.
I'm also joining graduate school. I just want to buy one product on which I could run visual studio, matlab, and other softwares which can run on windows. Also I want to take notes as well. So I'm confused between dell xps13 2 in 1 and surface pro 9
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Ipad air 2 in 2020 please
@@txties2730 even broke people will not buy it.
@@ak788ak why? I'm broke and I'm planning to buy that one
@@txties2730 it's good for school, I am using a tablet for way complicated stuff for high end gaming and editing, and i also have a £5000 budget so... I am getting other stuff. But other than that the ipad air 2 is good in 2020 for school.
I have an iPad and ended up purchasing a Surface Pro. The iPad is I credibly powerful, some apps available go beyond my expectations. But at the end of the day it’s still a tablet that can’t run full desktop software. I found my self carrying my iPad and MacBook. The Surface is more of a computer than a tablet but a decent bridge between both.
Man I have the same problem I need good notes and notability for windows but is not available ... I was using word with an Xp-pen 13 pro artist tablet but I don't like I need a software dedicated to take notes but I don't like office so I think that I need an iPad but is not that I want can you recommen me good software for take notes on windows?!
nicolastramites 2017 honestly, one note is great when you learn how to use it.
I totally agree, but after apple transition to arm architecture on their computers it will change dramatically.
You never experience screen problems in your MSP? I heard a lot of problems on screens
@@lingm31 I have the surface pro 4. No problems at all.
Thanks for the effort. iPad is a tablet that is almost a laptop and Surface is a laptop that is almost a tablet. As a distant teacher, I would prefer the Surface for having a fully functional laptop with a handwriting feature on my lap.
A macbook pro with a detachable touchscreen would be the best combination ever 😃
Seriously... MBP with a detachable screen would be a killer!
microsoft has that exact detachable laptop you want.
Apple wants to make money and differentiate their product from the other products out there, all in one bundle is just gonna make them a Surface pro copy cat plus they will lose a lot of money from existing apple fans who buy both these products for their apple ecosystem. Personally I own an apple phone bought my gf the x max, but computer tablet wise i would rather carry one only and it better not worth and arm and a leg.
DroneZone360 haha that would be great if Apple never got me 🙄 their ecosystem is amazing
YD5NA that’s absolutely right 🤗 wish they will do it
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@@NoahHerman Hy! Can you make the onnete app to a4 paper size like in notability in ipad? For printing it would be a must, i would need it for school to show my exercise book.
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Not one sided lol he states all the time he uses iPad and half the time has no idea of what is available on Samsung or windows that outperforms any app Apple has .
Apple products and tech do not go together at all. Lol 😂
The frequency of the iPad seems to make it seamless while taking notes through it.
@Rohan Siddharth 120 hz refresh rate
@@martinsauer8856 I'm biased, but I feel like unless you're gaming, it doesn't really matter. That's not the limiting factor of how long it takes for either tablet to process an input.
As an electrical engineering student i definitely recommend surface pro. I have to do some programming a use other programs and ipad just could not do it. Also stylus us much smoother and better on surface pro for writing/drawing(at least for me and my friends).
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Can confirm - for engineers this isn't even a debate. There is ONLY Surface Pro on the market - nothing else.
It's funny how Apple considers having a shitty touch based OS with limited apps as "Pro". Not to mention horrible file management, single USB C port and fixed storage. It can't run any CAD, 3D rendering, MATLAB or any programming IDE like VS or Eclipse. For engineers or scientists, the ipad pro is anything but pro.
Btw guys if you start your college with a Surface Pro - I would advise buying the extra tip pack for the Pen, too. Many ppl prefer different amounts of drag. For instance I found that I could write much faster and cleaner with the red hard tip - but I like the blue soft one for diagrams and concept drawings.
So try it out.
Im slowly coming to conclusion that it is better to just buy iPad pro for writing and a actual laptop for anything harder than writing
Czekerowiec Not really. Surface is just much better than a normal laptop.
10:56 You CAN change background color and toggle grid or lines
i was 100% team surface. then i tried both out at a local store. and ipad feels so good to use
Same experience. Writing on the Ipad is just more natural. I also felt surface pro struggled with palm rejection.
Except when you need both a full PC and a tablet but don't want to buy 2 devices
I am an Windows fan and android fan too, will never use a mac book or an iPhone. But tablet.. This rewiew is light, don't know if i am allowed to post a link in here but I've seen compared both on running video, opening and running apps, and what I'm interested in the most was video /photo editing.
Surface pro was no match whatsoever to apple one.
When the ipad starts running MacOS we'll talk
When the surface products stop having expanding battery issues, we’ll talk.
@@shaina992 the surface pro 5, 6 and 7 don't seem to have any issues with battery expanding. The only models I have heard having battery expanding issues is pro 4 or earlier (or surface book 1).
I was just thinking that. The two operating systems are being blended together more and more each year so I feel like that’s the next logical step. I hope they do that. I’d pull the trigger on a iPad Pro then.
@@acelakid94 That was quite literally the only deciding factor between getting the ipad and the surface. The ipad just feels and behaves like a big iphone and that's annoying. I have an ipad 5th gen and it's so mediocre.
@@baykennish1189 I have a 1st gen iPad mini and 2nd gen iPad. I stopped using them years ago because of the limited capabilities of the software. Hearing your experience with a more updated one is disappointing, but not surprising.
Just got mine in the mail today. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxhcEDB3r-OJ3_X5hQzr7k1ZofTQy1ao_U The corners of the box was a little smashed but I think that’s more of the shipping’s fault. iPad was in perfect condition though. I ordered the yellow one thinking it was going to be a bright vibrant color. Instead I looks like more of a Gold color. I personally prefer the gold look. Definitely not disappointed but just a heads up to the ones expecting a brighter cream of yellow.
I have a pretty decent windows laptop. I wanted to pair my laptop with either the surface pro or Ipad pro for note taking in school. I have tried both of them, I went with the Ipad pro. Ipad just had a better writing experience between the two.
Exactly, very well said. If someone already has a functioning (nothing fancy needed) then they can comfortably get the iPad for going paperless while doing the few tasks that the iPad is unable to do so on their laptop. And for the other set of people, getting a surface would probably be a great choice considering that it can function as both.
Btw, you can set the paper background on notability. I believe it’s in the settings, and I think you could also change it inside an open note.
Yes you can in one note, it's literally in the top task bar (view) lol
As a finance student the iPad is basically unusable for me. While the Surface allows me to take notes as well as run all functions in Excel
Noteability has the ability to change the color and style of your paper. You can go from lines to a grid pattern and different colors. And you can record your lectures directly from the app. Tracking your notes as you record. So if I want to review and hear what was being said at the exact moment I was writing, it will allow me to do that. Best note taking app hands down.
My surface pro 7 just got delivered a few days ago on friday. I am in love with it.
Mine comes tomorrow and I'm super excited too! 🥰
Jalisa Brooks you will love it 🖤
@@GothicSarah543 yaaass I cant wait! 💖
What do u think of it after 3 months now?
@@saradelice7438 still love it
If you click the options menu in notability and select paper, you can actually change the paper from grid, lines, dotted or plain and you can also change the colors, but its not as good as good notes and I think that downloading PDFs and copying and pasting them into the note is better. Hopefully they will make an update in the future that allows us to make our own templates
Thanks for this comparison! I’m currently choosing between the two
Which one did you end up going with?
Which one did you choose, mate
Can you review it plz
u know, u can get a paper background on notability as well by selecting the three dots, paper and then clicking on which ever paper type u want
Thank you for telling me this :D
Noah Herman I think with one note you get different paper backgrounds and forms too, but good note has more options and the ones you showed seemed like more authentic paper fabric, subtle differences
Noah Herman one thing about one note that’s a bit annoying is you can’t have page separation, it is just a massive blank space so it can be hard if you want to organize things by page numbers
THAT'S the video I was waiting for!
Thank you so much!
Suggestion for next comparison videos:
If you could for the specs, prices and related stuffs write it on the screen. Would help us have a better view of the devices being shown/compared to.
You have nice penmanship, dude!
surface pro really really needs to reduce its bezels
Surface Pro X
Surface Pro X is bad, but the normal Surface Pro is very good.
@@mp2557 I think he's on about surface pro x vs surface pro 7
With the way the keyboard attaches and tilts, not sure that's practical without a major design change.
@@mp2557 You did not understand the comment, I meant that the ARM Surface Pro X is not great. I rather prefer the X86 Surface Pro 7.
I am a medical student and I recently bought an iPad Pro 2020, I got the 11inch variant and I must say it has been doing everything I could possibly think of. I use it to take notes and type documents. I never faced any issues with it and I would recommend it if you are a student like me.
Have ever needed a laptop or you just do everything with the iPad?
@@rana2985 Hi, I only required a laptop when I started to do a lot of research work that needed me to work with Excel and SPSS a lot, so I ended up getting a laptop for that. Most of my studying and note-taking is still done on my iPad.
I was on the fence about which product to buy, macbook or surface pro 7 and I'm so happy I went with the surface
Something that I just thought of by someone asking me, is what's better "an iPad Pro or the Surface Pro 7?" When I began to think about that question, that automatically made me think of a pro's and con's list. It did not take me long to arrive to answer the person asking the question.
What you have to realize, is that as great as the iPad Pro is, it's still an iPad at the end of the day. An iPad still runs a trimmed-down operating system that relies on apps. Whereas the Surface Pro 7 runs a full version of Windows, which has both an App Store, and you can download outside programs if you can't find what you're looking for in the Microsoft app store, on an iPad you can't. On an iPad, you are restricted to the app choices through the app store.
This means, if what you are wanting to do, can not be accomplished through an app, then you are out of luck when it comes to working on an iPad. Also, the iPad does not support full screen when connected to an external display. Now some apps do support full-screen mode on an external display, but they can sometimes be unstable.
On the Surface Pro 7, you do not have this issue. You can either set it to mirror your display or extend it to another screen and it will display in full screen.
I had tried using an iPad as my primary work computer, but could not find an app for everything I do. Although Safari is supposed to be a full-functioning web browser, it does operate all the time as a full browser like Chrome. If you rely on Chrome extensions, you will not be able to replicate them on an iPad.
As great as an iPad is, you have to really think about what your needs are? How can those needs be met? What is my budget and which device offers me the best value? If the work output outweighs the cost of the device, then you have your winner. Great video Noah.
Great Video, man! To the people who're complaining for a tablet being more expensive than a full-fledged computer - Many don't realize this, but if you're comparing prices of the compared devices, then also consider their integration with the ecosystem. On Notes app on iPad, the moment you take a note (handwritten or text) it instantly reflects on your Mac and your iPhone, no 3rd party installations, no lag, no refresh needed! And it works perfectly!
You can argue that OneNote does the same, but for anyone who's tried using OneNote on 2-3 different devices will vouch how inconsistent its performance is.
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In Noteability you CAN change the form of paper and add lines etc. Furthermore it has an inbuilt ruler, meaning if you draw a line and hold, it will make it completely straight. The same can be done with triangles, squares and circles.
The same applies for highlighting, which makes it much more visually appealing when highlighting.
Additionally I feel that the eraser tool on the Pencil is better, because you just double tap rather than flipping the pencil. This is faster and more convenient when taking handwritten notes imo.
In the sense of taking notes and using as a laptop, surface pro 7 is much more convenient and useful
I have a love/hate relationship with Apple. I have no love for Windows and almost a love for Android. Your contrast and compare was more than interesting and gave some good points about each. I'll still be saving up for an iPad Pro being one of the oldest students who watches here (in my early 6th decade).
Doesn't matter sir that u r the oldest one here as people say age doesn't matter in studies.
Good video, but I recommend that you spend a little bit more time playing around with each app and learning its features before doing a comparison. There were several things I noticed about a couple of the apps.
As has already been mentioned, Notability does offer a choice of different background papers. They also offer the ability to import or purchase linked PDF planners, calendars, etc. (So that if you click a link in the PDF it opens another section/tab of the PDF.) Notability has poor text editing abilities, and very poor RTL (right-to-left) support. While they offer handwriting-to-text conversion for most Latin alphabet based languages, they don't offer it for more complex scripts like Hebrew or Arabic. I use Notability for taking notes in a mixed language setting, (I'm a graduate student in Israel so I often have readings in either Hebrew or English, while the class discussion might be conducted in the other language.) I will handwrite Hebrew notes, but I don't attempt to type Hebrew in Notability because it will only left justify, not right justify. That's an easy fix, and I have written them about it, but they have not implemented that feature yet. Regardless, the ability to simultaneously record audio while writing notes, and have both synced to each other is the main reason I use Notability. I used to use OneNote for that feature on a Surface Pro, but the iPad's superior handwriting speed and recognition caused me to switch. I find the Surface Pro lags too much, and it makes my handwriting look like a preschool child when I'm trying to write quickly, while my handwriting on the iPad looks exactly the same as if I wrote on paper.
OneNote is a much more powerful app than you let on. It offers research integration for students, an almost infinite workspace, the ability to quickly add space between things that you have already written, etc. You also did not mention, which is a huge omission, that OneNote on the iPad doesn't offer the ability to record audio while you take notes. The Windows version does, but the iPad version doesn't. Microsoft knows that if they offer feature parity between the Surface versions of their apps and the iPad versions of their apps, that more people would get the iPad. Seriously, there is no hardware or software limitation preventing them from adding the feature, and if you go to their OneNote features request page for iOS, you'll see that the most requested feature is audio recording while taking notes. But they refuse to offer it. Too bad. I actually prefer OneNote, but I like the handwriting experience on the iPad better. So I use Notability instead of OneNote. :(
The video is well made, and I enjoyed it, but the content could use a little more polishing.
Noah: uploads video
Me: likes without seeing it knowing it is gonna be excellent
Hey!Noah Herman deserves it! Also I have to agree with you
I don't understand why people use Windows tablets in desktop mode and say they aren't touch friendly. Windows 10 did a great job giving you a immersive full screen tablet experience with every program if you activate tablet mode while keeping the same desktop experience. But not many people seem to use it.
Yo considering the way your holding both styluses, the way you wrote “hello” looks really nice 👌
That’s ludicrous. 🤣
OneNote in windows has a lot more features- eg 1. In Ipad you need to reach the to portion and select color of highlighter EVERY single time, vs in windows, it pops, the moment you run mouse over it by selecting it
2. You can record while you take notes in windwos - can't do so in ipad
3. Tagging is present in windows, not in ipad
AND MANY MORE.....
i already have a windows laptops, so i'm going to save up to buy the ipad for digital note taking 🤩,its look so smooth on the 120hz screen
If you'll only be using it for note taking, the normal iPad is more than enough.
Hugo The Normal iPad is a horrible writing experience imo. The non laminated display and 60hz refresh rate with a paperlike screen protector would make you still pull out a real notebook
@@natskar I've tried it from a friend in uni and it was a really solid experience. He also had paper like screen protector and i felt like it was pretty good. I also had an Surface before and now switched to a Lenovo Yoga. If only for the writing experience, id say the ipad feels the most natural of the three. I wouldn't pay $700 extra just for my note taking device tbh.
Hugo Yeah no the iPad Pro is great, I was only referring to the normal iPad, I mainly just hatee the non laminated screen, it always feels as if you’re never actually touching the surface of the display
I’d recommend you the 11 inch version If you carry it around a lot, I actually retuned the 12,9 for the 11‘ cause it just got too heavy and bulky to take on the go
I wanted to know more about the pen's reaction time/ lag while note-taking or drawing.
Same
Although I just bought iPad Pro 12.9 inch, glad to know we have another good choice. Bought iPad Pro, magic keyboard, air pod, it turns out that I don’t good safe to bring them to school or to library. They cost me two or three thousands CAD.
I have had both but the pen experience with iPad is more life-like.
What I have done is install remotix and run a remote PC for situations where I need a Windows environment.
Then o have both worlds at hand.
Great comparison video Noah❗️ I do use Notes on my iPad Pro but not a lot. If I took more notes I would look at the different Note Apps that are available but the Apple Notes is working great for me and I continue to learn that it can do more than I thought. I really do like the Native Apps that come with the iPad, I use Reminders, Pages, and Numbers also and the scan tool on the iPad is super.👍✅✏️
Would probably be satisfied with a Surface Pro (X) but having had an iPad Pro since the 2018 re-design it's very, very hard to top IMHO 🥳
Pls make reviews for Budget laptops as colleges are starting soon....
Just buy an used iPad Pro and thats it
@@marioterrazas1544 YOU CANT CODE ON IPAD
@@ak788ak kinda true but you can in some languages. Even though it is much more complicated and far more expensive than usual
@@tahanumansimsek Yeah but I won't invest 800$ for an iPad which cannot help me in competitive coding and also Machine Learning requires a lot of storage which is not possible on ipad and App development is a far thought.
@@ak788ak fair enough
Notability had paper backgrounds, rules, grid, etc. click the top right. Stickies can also have custom paper.
I’m so surprised this video was sponsored by Paperlike lol
Thank you! This was just the comparison I wanted to see.
Mary Wanders which one do you like?
You cover a certain niche in YT. For varying your content within this niche, i suggest you also start testing out Chromebooks and 2 in 1 devices. I’m sure your viewers will agree. Especially comparing them like you have in this video, since the ones out there currently aren’t thorough enough. Ex- Chromebook vs iPads, why an XPS 2 in 1 could be a great device students for note taking and working on. So on and so forth. Vary it up, theres plenty you can do in this niche youve cared yourself. IDM lesser smartphone content either (personally)
Definitely looking to acquire more comparable devices :)
Excellent review, I have both Surface Pro and Go and the first gen iPad and I agree with everything you say here. Goodnotes is simply the best note taking app around. I need windows hence I have the surfaces. Thanks for the heads up to penbook I will definitely download it to the surface.
Hiiii, I own a surface go and macbook pro 2015. I'm looking for a new replacement for my surface go that I can use for note taking and to replace my macbook sometimes when I'm outside of my home. I can't decide between surface pro 7 vs ipad pro. I wouldnt use it much for multimedia but mostly for note taking during lectures. What would you recommend for me between theses two devices.
Even more down-to-earth content! Nice :)
Tbh you must be crazy to pay more for an iPad(which is just a very very good tablet) than for a Surface Pro that is really a Windows computer. You can do way more than just note taking with the Surface Pro than you can with the iPad. And if you're only interested in note taking, I'd say iPad 10.2 is a better deal
Guess some ppl just have a whole set of apple system that syncs better, but now there are lots of windows clouds apps that should be no problem. I have a MacBook and just wanted a tablet for note taking so I got the iPad Air 10.5 256, it’s not too high a price with a newer processor, but I will consider getting surface definitely when I need to change my laptop
@@serenazhang676 yeah that's possible. Apple ecosystem is a great thing and it's hard to get out from it once you really get used to it. Personally I'm waiting for some discounts on Surface Pro 7 with i7 processor as I'll really need all that extra horsepower during next few years and I love how versitile Surface Pro is
Thankyou so much I showed to this to my mom since she was looking a video about this and has made her decision.
What did she buy?
Just bought a new iPad Pro 2020 and it’s arriving in 2 days. Can’t wait to use it for college and photography.
I remember having issues using iPad as a leftie, specifically palm rejection not being very reliable. Did you find this an issue too?
I am now using an SP7 and left handed support is perfect for me.
enable tablet UI on windows 10 when comparing to other tablet next time noah! good video
Yes, i do not understand why using that in desktop mode...
But actually tablet UI on windows 10 quite suck 😂, tablet experience in desktop UI (come with Windows 10 May 2020 update) is better. And I hope that we will have new UI after windows 10X come out
I actually use it in desktop mode all the time I just prefer it
I would prefer to have a surface pro with FHD screen with 144hz rather than QHD. Seriously the tablet screen is only 12" compared when we used to have 32" TV and monitors in FHD which was working fine.
Hey Paperlike, can you make some screen protectors for Surface devices too?
Does the pen scratch the screen?
@@novaltomy8336 No, but for me it's a lot easier to write on screen protectors with paper-like texture. My hand gets tired way faster trying to write on a glass surface because of the lack of friction, especially because the Surface Pen is heavier than most regular pencils/pens.
I just wish that Android tablets received more support than they do. I bought one recently and while I can use any app pretty much, the majority aren't optimized for it.
Man I really hope microsoft makes the surface pro 8 be a clone of the surface pro x, but with a regular CPU. I wanted the surface pro x, but the whole arm thing was a no-go. I just sold my ipad pro 12.9 because the multitasking absolutely sucks, so I’m due for a new computer very soon.
I mean again, surface runs a full desktop os. Why do we keep comparing these two. Try coding something on iPad. Run vs code, webstorm, install ionic, write a java program, open terminal and do an ssh ?? Sorry its still an iPad.
Yeah this is kinda the deal breaker for the ipad. its still too limited if you want to do more than media consumption and take notes. the surface is really versatile if you need to occasionally use it for working.
I think just like you, surface gives you more options and works for more specific task, like coding or specific software
Writing experience with apple pencil on ipad can't be explained in words.Its just so smooth and fluid.For students who take notes, I would definitely recomend, iPad pro,with very high quality notes taking apps like notability and good notes.
Moreover battery life on ipad is way better.
I've had a surface pen for 4 years and it's still 43% insane
Amazing
Right, I only had to replace my battery once in the 5 years I had my surface pro 4. The pen’s battery life is pretty damn good especially since I used to use it for illustration.
Surface for productivity is everything
However if you want down time and use a lot of apps that you’re accustom to using on Apple products
It won’t be available on surface
That’s the part that sucks for me
I’m going to keep the surface pro and buy an iPad Pro
I just wish there was a full tablet/laptop experience that you can have productivity and fun 🙄
If anyone has suggestions I’m open to listen
Thanks
Really like your content and how you present. Keep up the good work mate!
Notability has paper backgrounds. Also, you don’t need a ruler because the lines self-rule if you hold at the end of your line draw. Try using it more, and I think you’ll find it more capable than you appear to think it is.
Just really want the Ipad more
yup go with if u will buy its a beast in gaming and awesome for watching videos and it has great cameras
If you have an iPhone, you have an iPad. Same OS and does 99% of the same things...
@@RK-um9tu yup but some people only take it for boye taking i reccomend iPhone
So I upgraded my sixth gen iPad for the 2020 12.9” pro and knowing I have the extra power (even though the sixth gen was good already) makes me feel more confident, I do a lot of photo editing and some recreational drawing and it just runs so flawless, and if you’re already in the ecosystem I say go for it.
@John Alvarado I'm not in the apple eco system yet but I really want to experience it
I love them both but I think I like the IPad Pro 2020 more because of the screen size, I have them both
Notability has paper selection with background colour. Just wanted to let you know.
Great video. The title has the iPad on the left but on the video the iPad is on the right. Also it would've been nice to have a label showing identifying each device on the video.
6:10 whoa! What kind of stylus is that?! Oh it’s your arm 😂😂😂
LMAO
on the surface pro you can write and it turns into normal text
Surface Pro for people who,d like a better computer, experience (in a tablet) The iPad for the better tablet experience. I had both, to many compromises on the iPad Pro, the pencil has a better flow for drawing but still exilent for writing. The Surface Pen I found better at writing notes than drawing. Still as a tablet the iPad can’t be beat. Using the Surface as a tablet is a pain, better as a mobile laptop that can also take notes. I unfortunately can,t use an iPad as my only machine, thats why I sold the Surface, bought a Macbook Pro and kept the iPad.
Hiiii, I own a surface go and macbook pro 2015. I'm looking for a new replacement for my surface go that I can use for note taking and to replace my macbook sometimes when I'm outside of my home. I am going to keep my macbook and give the surface. I can't decide between surface pro 7 vs ipad pro. I wouldnt use it much for multimedia but mostly for note taking during lectures. What would you recommend for me between theses two devices.
I think many of us have a lot more time on our hands to be using our tablets more! Great video, thank you for posting it
Notability app is really awesome. You can have your pdf and notes all in one app. Windows you need pdf app like drawboard and one note for notes. Now you need to also add remarkable tablet if we are getting serious about note taking experience
Why are you demonstrating the iPad in horizontal mode?
When on the go, it's simply far easier and less cumbersome in portrait mode.
Another great video Noah! 🙌
Much love from Philippines! 🇵🇭
Also, keep in mind Notability is only on iOS/padOS for now.
Review some budget laptops that are good for school now that school is starting and its online. Thanks!!
There is one defining factor to wether Wich one you should buy, because ipad is clearly better in note taking, but surface is also very good and has WINDOWS, which for engineering students or anything that requires a little bit of specific software is the real game changer, so if you are just going to take notes and do normal stuff, buy ipad, if you need a little bit more of a 1000dolars computer, buy surface.
Ease of use an better audio processing? Go with ipad.
Productivity and emulation? Surface.
Media consumption? Your preference.
Thanks for the informative video Noah, I am just curious about the paperlike, is it possible to layer it with a glass film, like I would put the glass film first and then the paperlike, would that affect the efficiency of the apple pen?
Most likely yes,the whole Point ir paperlike is to simulate paper ,so with any kind of harder Surface it Will most probably ruin the whole Point of ir
Thanks I have been waiting for this.
Which device among these two should I use as a medical student?
Thanks for your review, it was really helpful!!!!
Not sure if you are aware but Penbook is also available for IOS.
Just watched my first video on your channel, like the way you narrate, subscribed
I owned the smaller version of both tablets, Surface Go and iPad Mini and currently torn which bigger version to buy and integrate into my work flow. So far I find the Mini a bit useless. I'm using Go much more as a note taking device during meeting etc and it also act as my main work device. But, since I'm using an iPhone and already got iPad Mini, I really wanted to complete the sets and buy an iPad Pro. I'm currently leaning towards Surface Pro though. But I'll wait for the next batch of new stuffs both company will offer and decide than 🤗
Great review! Thnx!
Comparing the apps was a great idea!!
I love all your videos! Keep up the amazing work! ❤️❤️😀
Not to be *that* guy but on 0:24 the plural form of stylus is “styli” not “styluses”
Really, interesting
"styluses" is in the dictionary (along with "styli") as an acceptable plural form of stylus
The apple app store is larger than the Windows store but lets not forget that the surface can run countless actual full version softwares from the browser, something which the ipad cannot do
Not sure if it was said on the video or not but can you convert handwriting to text on the surface pro?
I mean surface pro is easier to use. Thought about getting the iPad Pro, but the fact it bends so easily n you need some dedicated apps to take notes on pdfs, and other documents kept me away from getting it. whereas on surface pro, you can just open the document up in Edge and take notes with no problems. idk if things are gonna change with the new update of iPad OS 14, but defo not gonna get the 2020 iPad Pro.
Keep it up im loving your content Noah
Your thumbnails are amazing. It makes me want to click on the video lol
Great video!!! Felt very open, and no sway either way very honest.
Surface pro 7 looks great
My opinion? You are great! Thanks for giving me some answers today!
that's more like drawing rather than note-taking. How about a comparison using these devices as a student notebook, completely replacing paper?
This is what I’ve been waiting forrr
As a physics student that plans on attending graduate school in about a year, I'm torn on whether I should go with a Surface Pro (or some other cheap 2 in 1 laptop for notetaking) or if I should just get an Ipad (or other writing tablet). It seems like the Surface Pro or other 2 in 1 is a cheaper, unless I buy an older model Ipad, and the writing of the Surface Pro is better. But I really want to get a Mac because it is apparently the standard for laptops among theorists, due to it being built on Unix and using the Linux operating system. I also want to eventually invest in a good gaming desktop, to replace my six year old gaming laptop, which will almost certainly use Windows. So it seems like a waste of money to get a 1000 dollar windows laptop, if I will later get a Mac and a much more powerful Windows desktop. I think I would much rather get a cheap writing tablet, so I can get a Mac now but I don't want to sacrifice writing quality by getting something cheaper. This all overall seems pretty expensive overal, so maybe the best solution is just settle for a decent gaming laptop with a touch screen for now and then I can get a Mac later.
I'm also joining graduate school. I just want to buy one product on which I could run visual studio, matlab, and other softwares which can run on windows. Also I want to take notes as well. So I'm confused between dell xps13 2 in 1 and surface pro 9