Would you ride this beast??!! Video Time Stamps below. 0:00 - Intro and Reveal 1:55 - General Bike Specs and Design 2:22 - First Impressions of Bike Spec 3:33 - Bike Geometry and Build Options 4:07 - Vital Tester Spec Preferences 4:35 - Interested in Pedaling High-Pivot on Trail 5:05 - Chainstay Protection and Possible Chainslap Noise 5:48 - Using Norco's Ride Aligned Fit and Setup Guide 6:54 - Fox 38 Fork Setup 7:44 - FOX DHX2 Coil Shock Setup 8:12 - Do Riders Even Use All the Suspension Settings? 8:53 - Difficult Rebound Adjuster on Fox DHX2 Shock 9:26 - Maxxis Tires Terminology 9:57 - Is There Drivetrain Drag Because of the Idler Pulley? 10:55 - Coil Shock Only - Progressive Design 11:27 - Norco Shore Model Prices 12:26 - Norco Shore Weight 13:06 - The Parking Lot Test 13:55 - First Ride Impressions at Bogus Basin
Honestly love that some companies like Norco and Rocky Mountain are doing “park” versions of their big hitting enduro bikes with a dual crown fork. Just a very playful dh bike basically
Love the format of the video with first impressions and setup and the conversation around it. It's what's fun about getting/trying a new bike and it's nice to see other people have a genuine reaction and opinion on a product.
@Bill P. first of all, if you're planning on riding freeride like this bike is intended, you probably don't care about weight, definitely not a single pound of weight difference (this bike is a shuttle and park bike for big freeride features, the fact you can pedal it up hills is just a bonus) second, the weight difference between the fox and marzocchi is incredibly small for the price difference (both run by the same company: fox suspension) for a marzocchi z1 and a marzocchi coil it's about 1.5 lbs, so it would weigh about 39.5lbs in total, 1/3 of that weight difference is from the heavier coil (i'm assuming the top of the line model comes with an SLS spring, don't feel like checking. If not the difference is less than a pound) obviously in this case you lose a bit of adjustment, (not a big deal for a freeride bike) and you add about 1 pound. You also save about 1000 dollars (from a quick search so this isn't exact) i'd say it's a worthwhile tradeoff don't you? The moron here is the guy who randomly guessed the weight difference and also assumed that freeriders care about weight more than their wallet... (Sorry if any of this is kind of hard to understand properly, i'm on mobile so it's hard to read over and check the comprehension)
thats exactly what I was thinking...for me and maybe once a week trips I would need to penny pinch.....and for me cheaper is better for a bike built for abuse :). admit $2100k US for a frame with a $650 shock is really really good.... just dont think my skill set and wallet need all that adjustment.
Hey @Vital MTB, Great breakdown. Thanks. Questions: How tall is Jason? How much does he weigh? What spring weight was the stock Large.. since Jason says he went down a spring for the chunk.. just wondering about the details on that. Cheers!
Good video. I need some advice, I’m currently still riding a 2007 Norco Six two. 160mm bike, 67.5° front fork, and 40.2 lbs. I’d really like to buy a new 2023 shore A1 but I’m worried about using it to climb. It’s lighter than my current bike. The biggest difference would be the added 4.5° head tube angle, 130 mm longer wheelbase, and an extra 20mm of suspension. I think the shore would have a more comfortable seating position, but the added length and steeper head tube angle has me worried about climbing
@Bill P. yeah they try but they literally took a free ride bike with lots of travel and made it bigger with big wheels and long chainstays to plow down stuff, much less for hucking x ups off a drop. But norco is definitely going in the right direction making a dedicated bike again and hopefully more brands catch on too.
This is another enduro bike with the title "freeride". The very last truly freeride bikes in market was the kona process 167 and the scott voltage 710. I miss the golden years of freeride bikes, I dont want a big and heavy dh bike, but either, I dont need a super capable uphill bike. I want a bike to mess around hard: single crown fork, dh transmision (even a single speed it would be super nice) and that the frame can handle 26" wheels for more fun.
Like the new #moutainbike of 27.5 High - pivot of #freeride in #MTB Norco store. Algu day in my paid team's bike's guy's of Vital MTB thanks. Saluds of chile 🇨🇱 🤘😀🤘
The bike you show in the intro at 0:08 is a 2009 Norco Shore. I have the paper catalog from 2000 and there’s a Norco VPS shore. I think that’s the first Shore ever. I can send you a high res picture if you want. Anyway sorry, back to the video
8:56 thats more on Norco's side to do something about in my opinion. But im very curious to know how the design process goes between a frame manufacturer and the shock supplier. Aside from maybe the internal shim stack, I dont see how Fox can reasonably allow every frame manufacturer to have the shock be exactly the way they want it. ultimately they can but it would be never ending for them and not profitable. Fox is going to make the shock as small as they can, high speed rebound is often on the bottom depending on internal design.
@@vitalmtb theres definitely a lot of stress in that area so dont get me wrong its not easy for the frame manufacturer either. Last thing they want is a frame problem. Putting the shock so deep in the frame allows for them to have the 180mm. They could have put a shorter dhx2 model with a higher up bracket but youd have less travel...and its possible the bike was originally to have the regular dhx2 where this wouldnt be a challenge
The 2021 CUBE 170 TM Stereo is a 29" beast of agility. It too has the 180MM Zeb Ult Front and 170MM Ult ROCKSHOX Rear with an alloy frame. It's an amazing ALL-DAY Enduro. $4k. How much was the Norco?
Would a 2009 Norco STRYK in excellent condition ready to ride for $500 USD be worth it just to fool around with? It looks just like the white bike at the beginning just in black & some orange accents.
I have a feeling not everyone is hyped about the fact that bikes are getting more and more longer, he himself at the end of the video mentions that it is not as playful due to it being long. I really dont understand the current trend with bikes getting longer and more slack (63 degree HT on a 180 enduro - wtf, guess a Grim Donut wont be as absurd in the future). This year I want to get something with a bit more travel and looking at the geos of all the bikes looks like Im gonna have to go with a YT Capra since its literally the only one thats not maxxed out compared to others, shame though
AH, see that now! That geo chart must have been from the original draft sent by Norco, later revised. We have the corrected one on our site. For reference, the large has 445 chainstays and the XL is 450 as stated by Blake Motley
Hey guys, love the video. The only major issue with the video is you couldn't find a photo of the 2001 norco shore? like seriously? That bike was basass and i was expecting to see it when you were talking about how it came out 20 years ago, then you showed a pic of like a 2006? shore.. lol, fail.
Actually I do, I own a 27.5 nomad, the 29er I rode with 20mm less travel felt much more capable... 27.5 its like 26, eventually obsolete...26 ain't dead, oh wait it is
I enjoy the videos but it seems like he is just too intense trying too hard to sound a certain way. It's a little off-putting. I'm sure I would do a horrible job being on camera so I'm not one to talk just my opinion
Would you ride this beast??!! Video Time Stamps below.
0:00 - Intro and Reveal
1:55 - General Bike Specs and Design
2:22 - First Impressions of Bike Spec
3:33 - Bike Geometry and Build Options
4:07 - Vital Tester Spec Preferences
4:35 - Interested in Pedaling High-Pivot on Trail
5:05 - Chainstay Protection and Possible Chainslap Noise
5:48 - Using Norco's Ride Aligned Fit and Setup Guide
6:54 - Fox 38 Fork Setup
7:44 - FOX DHX2 Coil Shock Setup
8:12 - Do Riders Even Use All the Suspension Settings?
8:53 - Difficult Rebound Adjuster on Fox DHX2 Shock
9:26 - Maxxis Tires Terminology
9:57 - Is There Drivetrain Drag Because of the Idler Pulley?
10:55 - Coil Shock Only - Progressive Design
11:27 - Norco Shore Model Prices
12:26 - Norco Shore Weight
13:06 - The Parking Lot Test
13:55 - First Ride Impressions at Bogus Basin
Nope. I’d rather push a tank up a hill than pedal that beast for a day.
I'd definitely ride this. Looks fun
Honestly love that some companies like Norco and Rocky Mountain are doing “park” versions of their big hitting enduro bikes with a dual crown fork. Just a very playful dh bike basically
totally. for someone who would ride often at a lift-served park, these bikes are great.
youre missing the sad part where the norco HSP DH is carbon frame only and wayyyyyy too much money but i guess you can settle for an aurum DH like me
@Bill P. Commencal is an OG downhill brand. I am pretty sure Cedric Gracia rode a Commencal
Grim donut blink twice if that’s you inside.
My 2002 shore vps got stolen a few months ago. This should be a nice upgrade!
Norco: this bike is for the new generation of free riders!
New gen: so it's capable and affordable?
Norco: it's one of those things
As a proud norco, I’m really stoked for this!
Napoleon Dynamite rides a Grim Donut.
Love the format of the video with first impressions and setup and the conversation around it. It's what's fun about getting/trying a new bike and it's nice to see other people have a genuine reaction and opinion on a product.
I'm so stoked for the next gen freeride bikes in 27.5 format!
Best bike review out there by far! You need to keep doing reviews in this format
More to come!
@@vitalmtb well you got a new fan here
should come with marzhocchi insted of fox so it gets more freeride.
@Bill P. and? It's a freeride bike, nobody who buys this cares about weight...
@Bill P. wrong? No, no i'm not
@Bill P. first of all, if you're planning on riding freeride like this bike is intended, you probably don't care about weight, definitely not a single pound of weight difference (this bike is a shuttle and park bike for big freeride features, the fact you can pedal it up hills is just a bonus) second, the weight difference between the fox and marzocchi is incredibly small for the price difference (both run by the same company: fox suspension) for a marzocchi z1 and a marzocchi coil it's about 1.5 lbs, so it would weigh about 39.5lbs in total, 1/3 of that weight difference is from the heavier coil (i'm assuming the top of the line model comes with an SLS spring, don't feel like checking. If not the difference is less than a pound) obviously in this case you lose a bit of adjustment, (not a big deal for a freeride bike) and you add about 1 pound. You also save about 1000 dollars (from a quick search so this isn't exact) i'd say it's a worthwhile tradeoff don't you? The moron here is the guy who randomly guessed the weight difference and also assumed that freeriders care about weight more than their wallet...
(Sorry if any of this is kind of hard to understand properly, i'm on mobile so it's hard to read over and check the comprehension)
@Bill P. hey, if you don't read it it just proves more that you're the actual moron here...
@Bill P. i’d rather read a long comment of properly thought out rationale than a waste of space insult that adds nothing useful to the conversation.
Dude needs a vote for Pedro shirt.
Just ordered this sled for next season, absolutely stoked to rip park with the fellas
I'm still riding a 2008 norco shore 3 (with upgrades here and there). It's still a beast.
wish they specced a marzocchi intead of the fox and dropped the price $500
thats exactly what I was thinking...for me and maybe once a week trips I would need to penny pinch.....and for me cheaper is better for a bike built for abuse :). admit $2100k US for a frame with a $650 shock is really really good.... just dont think my skill set and wallet need all that adjustment.
mar is fox
A2 is stunning and full Shimano for the win
Man how have I never seen this channel? This video was fun to watch!
glad you found us. we've been around for 11 years! #blameyoutube HAHA
So there it is, it came full circle, someone reinvendted the wheel and just made a DH bike but with more gears.
I want this exact bike! I rode the north shore in the early 2000s and compare any trail to those sweet lines
great presentation and editing
Glad you liked it!
I had a 2005 Norco Six and my friend had an 03 Norco Aline. Glory days.
the dual crown build with a wide range drive train would be mega.
Definitely
With an emtb version
Yeah and it would only weigh 43 lbs!!!
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ nahh
Dear Santa ,
I really want this beast for Xmass !
That park bike! Freeride is back baby!!
Hey @Vital MTB, Great breakdown. Thanks.
Questions:
How tall is Jason?
How much does he weigh?
What spring weight was the stock Large.. since Jason says he went down a spring for the chunk.. just wondering about the details on that.
Cheers!
very cool format! well done!
Glad you liked it!
Good video. I need some advice, I’m currently still riding a 2007 Norco Six two. 160mm bike, 67.5° front fork, and 40.2 lbs.
I’d really like to buy a new 2023 shore A1 but I’m worried about using it to climb. It’s lighter than my current bike. The biggest difference would be the added 4.5° head tube angle, 130 mm longer wheelbase, and an extra 20mm of suspension.
I think the shore would have a more comfortable seating position, but the added length and steeper head tube angle has me worried about climbing
BRING BACK FREERIDE
It was never gone!
@Bill P. idk bout that
@Bill P. yeah they try but they literally took a free ride bike with lots of travel and made it bigger with big wheels and long chainstays to plow down stuff, much less for hucking x ups off a drop. But norco is definitely going in the right direction making a dedicated bike again and hopefully more brands catch on too.
@Bill P. never said you couldn’t lol most people do these days anyway
I feel like waiting to see what Forbiddens new high pivot bike will be like before choosing.
This was a cool way to do a first impression video
This is another enduro bike with the title "freeride". The very last truly freeride bikes in market was the kona process 167 and the scott voltage 710. I miss the golden years of freeride bikes, I dont want a big and heavy dh bike, but either, I dont need a super capable uphill bike. I want a bike to mess around hard: single crown fork, dh transmision (even a single speed it would be super nice) and that the frame can handle 26" wheels for more fun.
you asked him the weight without pedals and weighed it with pedals, he would've been pretty spot on with the guess.
Yessss 27.5 setup right. Dreamy rig. None of that 29” bull crap.
Right after he asked "and it costs how much" I got an ad that said a family vacation....
I got an ad too lol
dude that head tube angle omg
Grim Donut - Norco Version 🤘
Like the new #moutainbike of 27.5 High - pivot of #freeride in #MTB Norco store. Algu day in my paid team's bike's guy's of Vital MTB thanks. Saluds of chile 🇨🇱 🤘😀🤘
Nice flood pants.
It's like norcos awnser to the canyon torque
The bike you show in the intro at 0:08 is a 2009 Norco Shore. I have the paper catalog from 2000 and there’s a Norco VPS shore. I think that’s the first Shore ever. I can send you a high res picture if you want.
Anyway sorry, back to the video
Those things look sick
Damn can’t believe I have to listen to two guys talk before actually seeing the bike. Navigating to the Norco site now.
8:56 thats more on Norco's side to do something about in my opinion. But im very curious to know how the design process goes between a frame manufacturer and the shock supplier. Aside from maybe the internal shim stack, I dont see how Fox can reasonably allow every frame manufacturer to have the shock be exactly the way they want it. ultimately they can but it would be never ending for them and not profitable. Fox is going to make the shock as small as they can, high speed rebound is often on the bottom depending on internal design.
That's a fair point but this is the third bike we've tested where reaching this dial is an issue.
@@vitalmtb theres definitely a lot of stress in that area so dont get me wrong its not easy for the frame manufacturer either. Last thing they want is a frame problem. Putting the shock so deep in the frame allows for them to have the 180mm. They could have put a shorter dhx2 model with a higher up bracket but youd have less travel...and its possible the bike was originally to have the regular dhx2 where this wouldnt be a challenge
Norco need to make the hsp with the shores frame sizes. I would have bough a norco hsp but the l/xl is to small for me and I'm only 6 feet tall.
The 2021 CUBE 170 TM Stereo is a 29" beast of agility. It too has the 180MM Zeb Ult Front and 170MM Ult ROCKSHOX Rear with an alloy frame. It's an amazing ALL-DAY Enduro. $4k. How much was the Norco?
This video drags on and on
@Bill P. listen Billy Sue, whatever you do in your spare time ain't none of my business
Would a 2009 Norco STRYK in excellent condition ready to ride for $500 USD be worth it just to fool around with? It looks just like the white bike at the beginning just in black & some orange accents.
Get it for that price!
is that the purple troy?? need that review ASAP
A1/A2, put a 29 dual crown fork with travel reduced to 180/190. Should be a monster?!
Not slack enough🥵
Great bike for big heavy dudes.
Hi there, could you please tell me how tall Jason is as he‘s using the L - size Norco, right? Thanks
Will the a2 enduro be lighter? I want it as my only bike but after hearing the weight of this bike I'm alittle worried haha!
27.5 lives in the house next door to 26
#26aintdead
Oh boy i was just riding a 26" downhiller lately and i just know i will never ever again ride 29". Maybe 27.5 but 26 is just so good
Yup 27.5 for life. F’ a 29’er
holy fucking shit, there's an evil undead frame in this garage
I have a feeling not everyone is hyped about the fact that bikes are getting more and more longer, he himself at the end of the video mentions that it is not as playful due to it being long. I really dont understand the current trend with bikes getting longer and more slack (63 degree HT on a 180 enduro - wtf, guess a Grim Donut wont be as absurd in the future). This year I want to get something with a bit more travel and looking at the geos of all the bikes looks like Im gonna have to go with a YT Capra since its literally the only one thats not maxxed out compared to others, shame though
it has so much caster angle that gives you the impression that it is going to break after 10 jumps or so.
Sounds like a commencal furious but heavier. My commencal furious weighs about as much as my old trek remedy but it’s air front and rear.
More like the Clash. Furious dosn't have wide range gearing and dropper.
Lost me at 5 grand. Badass bike though🤟
Ich melde mich hiermit freiwillig als Tester !
id take a clash over this
I want this exact bike....but in a mullet format!
Feeling like bikes are becoming a bit long nowadays...
XL Norco Sight is ~1300mm. ! That's even longer than this Range.
Seems like they made it too long for freeride? Sounds like it's really a park bike?
Mullet and high pivot with 63.5 head angle. Kiss the rest of the bull shit behind. That's all a bike needs.
How's it climb?
His pants are 27.5'' too. Should've gone for the 29'' inseam. :D I have a HPP bike too. So stable on the downhill.
Napoleon dynamite can barely hold up that tank!
That’s one long bike
What if the pulley pinion gets used , can i change it , where can i find a new onr , i cant even find a deraileur hanger on the norco site
I’m pretty sure if you contact them, they can arrange a replacement part for you.
Not a fan of Jack-shafts, way to much drag when peddling
i like how vital let the target rider to test the bike. not an all around guy.
Produkt placement? ))
is norco shore has 29er?
No one's going to mention the pants?
I thought the US was on fire not flooding?!
My xl 29er instinct comes in at 1295 wheelbase
the XL shore is 1328! massive!
Surprising that they mixed fox/sram and rockshox/shimano
Fox/sram isnt bothering at all, if I'd build a bike it would have sram shifting and brakes and fox suspension, but rs/shimano is just horrible
@@oskarstaudte I think their point is that sram and rockshox are the same company
@@watsonthedog264 I know that, thats why rock shox and shimano together is really surprizing to me
wait, so the size L has LONGER chainstays than the XL!? I think your chart is off
450 for XL and 445 for L
Our large Shore is longer than a L/XL HSP Downhill bike.
@@vitalmtb yeah but your chart says the same bike has a longer CS in the size L than XL, both bikes
AH, see that now! That geo chart must have been from the original draft sent by Norco, later revised. We have the corrected one on our site. For reference, the large has 445 chainstays and the XL is 450 as stated by Blake Motley
What's the rider's weight
Why no mullet!?
Hey guys, love the video. The only major issue with the video is you couldn't find a photo of the 2001 norco shore? like seriously? That bike was basass and i was expecting to see it when you were talking about how it came out 20 years ago, then you showed a pic of like a 2006? shore.. lol, fail.
wheres's wally rides the new shore lol
where's the flood?
uhhhh where is that jump trail at Bogus?
new black diamond jump lines
Wouldn't more capable 29" be better for freeride?
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Your clearly have no idea
Actually I do, I own a 27.5 nomad, the 29er I rode with 20mm less travel felt much more capable... 27.5 its like 26, eventually obsolete...26 ain't dead, oh wait it is
@@miamatti 27.5 will never disappear pal. It just won't happen
@@adambaker2670 lol I know you were one of those guys saying that about 26 too
where can i buy it?
Authorized Norco dealers.
I thought high end mtb were around 30 pounds?
I thought it was Napoleon Dynamite testing the bike.
Didn't know Andy Dick was into Norco's.... uh hu hu ha...*cough.
ah the famous mountain bike that can't mountainbike
ready for the flood
ouch, 39 lbs at 27.5'' for 5199usd.
i think ill go with the sx29 and just upgrade some components
I found Waldo
Kinda looks like grim donut 🤔
Does he know his pants are too short? Is that a thing now ?
You never know when a flash flood will present itself
looks like my stumpjumper evo but heavier
You should have hucked it to flat.....
It’s a park bike but its too long to be playful. Not really sure the point. Park rat weight and build with all out race geo.
The man never once said "Thank you!" to the guy giving him the bike. He has a lack of manners and respect.
@Bill P. May you experience a car accident soon!
whatt a pricee (expansive..) !!!!! don't understand why.....
I enjoy the videos but it seems like he is just too intense trying too hard to sound a certain way. It's a little off-putting. I'm sure I would do a horrible job being on camera so I'm not one to talk just my opinion