During the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis, Hyundai Corporate had to spin out their electronics department, the Hyundai Electronics got combined with a competitor and became SK-Hynix.
Editors: Thank you for including "seizure warnings". I believe that I've seen this channel, or other LTT channels, do that before and it's genuinely great to see. I have epilepsy, and while typically this type of stuff won't cause a seizure, at least in me, it can do things like make me feel sick or disoriented for hours at a time. For TH-cam videos, it's almost never really an issue, but it's so great to see a channel pop up a warning - just in case.
Yeah, I've never had a seizure triggered this way, but it absolutely has caused discomfort before. It's a pretty nice and useful thing that they warn about it beforehand, just as good practice. It might not be strictly necessary in every case, but I appreciate the effort.
I love reading about others experiences of epilepsy. My son has epilepsy and I’m sure when he’s older he will likely watch TH-cam, hopefully similar to my tastes.
Yeah, of course it's almost a guarantee that he would watch TH-cam or videos on a similar platform. Hopefully he's not incredibly photosensitive. If he's not, such as myself, 99% of the time he'll likely not have any issues when going through videos. :) Small devices will be the key for helping him learn how to navigate this side of the internet though, since it's easy to drop the device or look away if he's bothered by it. When he's older, he'll have it all mostly figured out though! @@michaeljgaughan
According to a Tom’s Hardware article, a company called General Procurement (based in Santa Ana, CA) licenses the brand for the US market - so their products have nothing to do with the car company or SK Hynix. They also sell cheap DRAM-less SSDs, mini PCs, and tablets. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this laptop design sold under other brands (Chuwi, Gateway, etc.). They probably all come from the same ODM.
My mom has this exact laptop, but by the brand Multilaser, which is a Brazilian brand, so I figured it was something like a manufacturer licensing the product.
Calling Hyundai a "car brand" is kind of not doing it justice, they own steel mills, construction/engineering companies, and the 2nd largest shipping company in Korea among a lot of other sectors. It's just those don't get sent/used here.
Despite the same name Hyundai and the similar logotypes, Hyundai Technology has nothing to do with Hyundai Motors Group or Hyundai Group. Websites of both corporate groups do not list Hyundai Technology. After some research(although I couldn't find much) one news article claims that Hyundai Technology is using the brand that was left out during the lawsuit between Hyundai Construction(under Hyundai Motors Group) + Hyundai Heavy Industries(under Hyundai Group) and Hyundai IBT(which had become independent from Hyundai Group) when IBT tried to register "Hyundai Technology" as their new brand name. I cannot find how this brand ended up being used by an American company. It might be technically legal to use the brand but it seems like Hyundai Technology is infringing the history of Hyundai Group despite not being related.
As an editor myself, I love the fact that Bell "clapped" @1:00 to help sync the audio and make the job of the editor so much easier even tho he is off-screen😌
It would be really interesting. You could certainly buy a 10-yo that would be better, but I'm not sure you could do it for that price. Especially to match the battery life.
$150 is like an HP EliteBook 820 G2 or similar, so an aging but much more powerful and a usable computer for most productivity and light tasks. I suppose the idea is that you get a brand new battery&SSD with this, it's lightweight and low power draw.
A Thinkpad I bought brand new in 2015 is worth less than that now and it's still a perfectly competent machine, but the battery doesn't last 6 hours anymore
I managed to snag a Lenovo flex 15 from a goodwill auction for about $150 a few months ago, i7-8565U, 16GB DDR4, GeForce MX230, 512GB Sata SSD & 15.6" 1080p screen. Like Linus said somewhere (I think maybe the wan show) it's almost always a better idea to not buy new entry level tech like cheap laptops and graphics cards, and instead buy second hand as you get a way better value.
@@michaelmechexI recently got an old refurbished ThinkPad t460s. It's CPU is 2c/4t, with integrated Intel graphics, from 2016. Mostly got it for writing and light programming it's perfectly capable of that. I threw KDE Plasma at it just to see how good/bad the thing was, but even with a couple of eye-candy effects enabled it's perfectly usable. It was a great 200€ "investment" and I think it might be better than this brand new Hyundai thing.
This chassis / tooling...it feels like it came from the same factory as the Pinebook Pro - but with a HDMI port and a different CPU soldered onto the board. It might even be the same IPS panel, as the panel on my Pinebook Pro is also controlled via PWM and with similar colour accuracy and brightness. And I've worked with many laptops before, even real crappy ones, but that whine when adjusting the brightness is just awful. Now that you've also mentioned the keyboard typing experience, that really matches the PBP. I have typed on so many laptop keyboards now and that keyboard is still one of the best i've ever typed on. And then the board layout in general, these rubberfeet, the speakers, even the semi-good touchpad, it all looks very familiar.
Interestingly, the ODM that makes this laptop must be also making those Gateway laptops that Walmart has been selling. Nearly identical motherboard and battery layout!
Mitsubishi actually manufactured aperture grille tubes (similar to Trinitron) for a lot of CRT monitors, branded Diamondtron. I have an old Iiyama monitor that uses one.
Note that this laptop is not from Hyundai group They are just using one of Hyundai branding license that was lost during the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis + failure of Succession Planning, and act like it is from the Hyundai group
Had a Hyundai monitor mire than a decade ago (still in a box somewhere), worked perfectly and had way more features than other main brands for the same price.
Hyundai previously sold a Windows 8.1(?) Laptop called the Kanabo oriented towards gamers. It may or may not have been sold in America or Canada but it did in fact end up in Mexico for some reason.
14:24 of course it has good battery and better than an XPS 15 because it’s hardly doing much processing as you can hardly do much large processing with it.
There has to be some company in Shenzen that is selling this type of chassis to resellers, this looks almost identical to the PineBook Pro and has a lot of the same pros / cons
Yeah there must be quite popular ODM of those things out there. When I saw port layout I've recognized that internally it's must be just a mirrored Ezbook 3 Pro that I've bought in 2017 for $200 (actually better -- FHD, metal chassis, 6GB ram, quad core n3450)
@@Djuntasif outlawed then what will they screw poor people over with ? Tons of people buy the cheapest junk and it's instantly outdated. My stepdad bought some HP laptop in 2015 and it was sooo bad. Not even enough space for Windows update, if I had to guess the main storage was flash memory.
@@Gatorade69 yep all emc storage should be illegal...You know when you see that shit its like the laptop is saying "buy me sucker". I saw some in stores over the years even in my country, and its just...why. Save up and keep it for 5-10 years. My old shitty laptop from 2014, while not good, was at least 8gb drr3, but defiantly should had spend more back then too.
This would be a great Linux laptop (after adding an SSD that is). A lightweight distro would run great on it and the battery life would be stellar. For travelling this could be all you need for web surfing and the like. I like it. Great job as always Alex (and more Linus Crab Dancing please 😂)
For 175$ you could get a used Dell Latitude that businesses get rid of as soon as the warranty is over. I still have mine from 2014 and they're excellent.
@@Ulexcool No, I still have Dell Latitude e7450 that I got from an office getting rid of them, and they're far superior to the specs on that Hyundai laptop and cost about the same.
I love watching budget-laptop reviews! Since it has an SSD slot available, I'd like to see how usable it might be in the long run, say, three or five years from now. For instance, I'm still using an AMD-e2 1800 powered Asus that I bought back in 2013. Despite being a budget machine back then, I was able to keep it usable over time and now serves mostly as a tv box and as a guinea-pig PC. Never underestimate low-powered budget laptops. With enough ingenuity and the right optimisations, they can serve for a good while. Ps.: I once dared to benchmark the E2 1800 on cinebench r23 and got 123 pts on multithread, don't remember how "little" it was on single thread mode. I was not amazed for the low score but rather at how much I've done over the years with such an underpowered machine.
I got a Lenovo t430 with an i7 and 1600x900 display on eBay for 100 bucks. Dropped in some ram and a 256gb ssd for 35 bucks. Installed pop os thanks to Emily's great video. I'll take this thing over a chrome book any day.
It is super easy to hate on that laptop but those are quite popular here. They're called cloudbooks. As you found out the keyboard is impressive for a cheap product and it has outstanding battery life. I bought a similar laptop (physically looks the same although white in colour) for taking notes and using it in the classroom, I was able to get 12h of battery life. I didn't even pack the charger. The fact that it has Windows makes it better than a chromebook as it's compatible with way more software. Even games like GTA, GTA2. It's quite capable. Slow but capable.
I've got a Hyundai SSD as my boot drive. Got it for $16 on black friday a few years back. Was a bit surprised to see it, but it's possibly the only drive in my desktop that has given me zero issues.
Engineers are the funniest, they are super smart yet lazy, and that combination creates some of the greatest advancements in humanity haha As a software engineer I love the saying "Take a 2 minute task and make it a 3 month project", perfectly describes what we do
In Mexico you can find Hyundai laptops as well in Walmart and Bodega Ahurrera (which is owned by Walmart) sold as cheap basic laptops, priced at around 200-250 usd, usually in Bodega Ahurrera it’s where you can find more off brand or cheap brands technology stuff, obviously depending on the quality it can be pretty bad, but you get what you paid for
After seeing that SSD slot, and knowing its got a good keyboard, and know that its got killer battery life, might be enough for me to pick one of these up gfor shits and gigs.
Someone else was pointing out that this exact laptop (at least cosmetically, don't think they took it apart) is available from Multilaser and probably other brands, so you might find it for even less than that with some digging.
Watching this with a Celeron 2957U C720 Chromebook from 2013 at 720p. Use this thing as a daily driver because of the awesome keyboard, touchscreen and battery life. Had to flash MrChromeBox's UEFI firmware, to make the chromebook a laptop with UEFI. Then used a rammus recovery file to install chromeOS. Now we got playstore and updated version of the os to view newer websites. She's a CHAMP! I also installed a 256GB M.2 because it was like $20 lol Thank you for coming to my DREAD talk
I dont think ive seen a PWM backlight as bad as that in years! From my experience pwm is fine if the period is short enough and, considering a bargain basement standard mcu, with a pwm output pin can manage a 100us period very easily, (10kHz on/off rate with varying duty) and, even the cheapest of processors have pwm timer output pins capable of orders of magnitude higher switching frequencies doubt this was them cheaping out. To have a pwm screen that flickers that much you'd need a period closer if not exceeding 1ms, where the limits of persistence of vision starts to becomes more apparent. For it to be this bad on a modern device this was likely caused by a hardware oversight that was then bodged with a software hack, like bit-bashing the pwm rather than using a dedicated pwm timer output pin. how a company as big as hyundai would settle for a sub optimal software hack over a new board revision is beyond me, but then again might not be worth the r and d cost in fixing given the products price point.
I was expecting Alex to rate the keyboard a B considering it sounds like "it's really good for a laptop of this price range" and when he went for A- I was blown away because that means it's gotta be better than keyboards from machines that are often $1000+ or even more. Linus being a crabby mang during the speaker test is great ^_^-b Getting non-S Windows is actually easy. Settings -> Update & Security -> Activation, Switch to Windows 10 Home/Pro "Go to Store", Switch out of S Mode -> Get, and you're done. It looks like it's not even a download to do it, just a setting change. When I'm looking for a cheap AF laptop I always have a couple things to look out for. I stay away from Intel N-series chips or the AMD analogue (I forget what it's called) and I want to be able to upgrade RAM and storage. This thing apparently lets you upgrade storage which is not a guarantee at this price point.
This is actually interesting - frequently tech channels focus on the top end devices, and best game play etc, but having reviews that'll help you find the best 'bang for your buck' at a range of price points would be valuable - if only for a email and youtube laptop for your gran.
In our country, we have a laptop called Mecer, also known as RCT, Proline and Connex. Those are basically the exact same as this one, minus the Hyundai name
I'm a bit confused, Windows in "S mode" is just a setting. Windows 10 S doesn't exist anymore in the latest versions of the OS, and updating Windows 10 S should automatically take you to a state where its just a switch that enables and disables Microsoft Store-only installations (and pretty much nothing else). So not sure what the criticism on this is about.
So what you're saying is that this is a pretty functional word processor that has network access, and can maybe cope with playing a little bit of solitaire.
My current laptop was 160-170 USD. A HP 255 G8 with a Ryzen 5 3500U, 4GB of RAM, and a 256GB NVMe SSD, both of those upgradable (I went for 1TB and 16GB more of RAM). Yes, you can get an used laptop for less than $200 that is way more complete and powerful than a Chromebook, or these kinds of laptops.
I got my dad pretty much this exact laptop, like its 100% the same design, just instead of hyndai its a random-letters chinese brand, the little door has an actual (noname) ssd behind it, 12 gigs of ram (the reason i actually got it, i used to tell my parents to just get whatever is cheapest because they really dont do anything that would require actual hardware but really low ram always made the things freeze up all the time) and i think maybe the processor is slightly faster since it came with vanilla full windows (zero bloatware!) but still some kind of celeron N4xxx variant. Also i think the monitor is better because i couldnt see any flickering, but idk how much the recording highlighted that in this video. Hes pretty happy with it, the keyboard is actually great (although slightly hampered because instead of changing the layout they just ship the US layout with rubber overlays for different layouts, but my dad despite his job literally being "writing long essays" still does "hunt and peck" so it doesnt matter). I would never get him a Chromebook, he kinda barely knows how to use windows after using it for decades, if he was on chrome os i probably would have to do 24/7 tech support without having any experience with it lol.
4:00 PWM is used on almost every LED screen in existence. the difference is that higher-quality ones flash much faster and the flicker is generally undetectable
That‘s sinply not true. Just look at the tests on notebookcheck. Most Notebooks DON‘T use PWM on their LED backlit panels anymore. OLED panels always use PWM, though, which is why they suck imo.
That pink cheapest laptop from a previous video - got one in front of me, same layout and keyboard, chassis is the same, screen seems to have been updated but no way they didn't all start in the same place... Typed this and got to the trackpad, that's the same too!
I saw Hyundai's Tech website and noticed a gaming line, though it's only barebone gaming towers with only PSUs and RGB fans on it. If only they made a dedicated pre-built gaming PC line, then name the gaming lineup "N-Line" (as a nod to the high-performance line of cars from Hyundai's Automotive Division). If they improved their quality of Desktops and Laptops (like they do their cars) and give them mid to high tier performance at a competitive price, as an automotive enthusiast I would buy any of their "N-Line" PC in a heartbeat (as to become an owner of a modern gaming PC with automotive-themed branding).
I think this is a white label device -- I have one that looks identical from a brand called "Eevolv", same specs and everything. I got mine for $99! It's slow, but I'm not as worried about dropping it off a ladder, lol -- I use it for things like checking network switches and aligning security cameras. If I drop it, I don't risk losing as much as if I carry a $300+ laptop... It's serviceable. Mine came with 10 Home tho [and I have Pro licenses out the wazoo]
It doesn't look too bad for the price. But personally I would rather buy a refurbished business laptop for the same money. It will be faster and a lot more durable.
I think if your hardware lacks performance to the point where you're considering Windows S mode, you really should be using something else entirely. Like Chrome OS or even Android. Or just fully embrace FOSS and put Debian on it or something.
I Had a Laptop Like This 3 Years Ago In College As a Budget Laptop For Notes In Class, They Literally Have The Same Design, Specs And Everything But Mine Was White I Guess Hyundai Found The OEM That Makes It
well n4020 is a dual core processor. No wonder. But don't just dismiss the whole cheapo windows laptop category, if you get something with say N5000 or N5100 or better, with 8GB of ram it is actually quite usable while keeping the decent battery life AND being completely silent due to passive cooling. On some occasions that's a huge plus. Also with board this small this could be an 7 or 8 inch windows tablet. I do miss those and there's not a single new one on the market, not even from weird brands.
On the subject of evs, is LMG planning on sending anyone to SEMA? ik its a bit left field but i definitely think you have an audience for it, just as there is for CES
I work in a retail in Bulgaria/ Europe. In 2010-2012 we sold Hyundai PCs. I am 10000% sure that they had nothing to do with Hyundai. To this day idk how they managed to use the name and brand. The PCs were your local e-waste Celeron, Atom and some random AMD cpu models.
Having a big market of used enterprise ThinkPads, these low budget laptops are usually very hard to justify. Bought an 11" used Thinkpad for the equivalent of ~250 USD, it got a kabylake i5 and an actual SSD, but for way less you can get a Haswell i5 that is still way faster. Remember guys, buy used, a bit of risk for a good product vs no risk for a known bad product.
Okay so, legit moment here - I just opened a Gateway laptop that has the same internals as this Hyundai laptop - model gwtn156-11bk Only difference is that the gateway has a single fan and heatpipes for cooling the CPU.
Hyundai is one of many asian companies that makes whatever you can think of. Monitors, watches, TVs, cars, trucks... I somehow knew about Hyundai by their computer monitors before I saw any of their cars appear in my area.
15:25 I feel like we should be talking about the penguin in the room here. Windows and Chrome are not the only options. And from experience, a celeron 4020 on a lightened linux distro is frugal as hell and perfectly capable of media playback, browsing and writing.
Anytime anyone mentions that they are wanting to buy a laptop brand new, I always tell them to please stay away from ones with the 'Intel Inside' on it as those are usually Celerons and are generally more trouble than what they are worth. They are also stupidly expensive in general stores that sell electronics in South Africa, where you could potentially pay up to R6000 (thats 300 USD with todays conversion, which is just dumb) You are better off buying a laptop with a 3rd gen i5 at that point, and doing an SSD and RAM upgrade for a little more leg room.
i was waiting that their will be a showcase on post ssd installation comparison briefly but to my despair it wasn't there. For that moment i was excited.
It looks exactly like a Thomson Neo 14"1, even the inside is the same. The position of the LEDs indicators is the same, the only difference I see is the m.2 slot is replace by a SATA on the Thomson
Next: I bought a Samsung Car so you don't have to! Most people don't know but Samsung makes cars in Korea as a partnership w/ Renault-Nissan. But its wild to me that Korea who is known for being crazy enthusiastic about gaming and pioneered e-sports doesn't build any real major gaming laptops or desktops. Neither Samsung nor LG ever any real attempt to capitalize on gaming outside of monitors.
another perspective, my 2011 HP Elitebook 2540p has a core i7 640LM, a 12 year old Low voltage dual core CPU is about twice as fast as the N4020. which came out like 3 years ago.
Here’s a good video idea I’ve been shopping in the cheap laptop space “maybe a 200-300, new vs used hardware in laptop space” may make a decent video, I’d be willing to bet my $150 dollar windows tablet will run circles around that thing.
Oh shucks, the Rayman Legends servers were only on for 2 days and now it's off again. I need longer than that. I got merely 1 diamond cup, I still need 950 more points to get the Xbox 360 achievement.
I'm in chile, and i gifted my mom this laptop a few months ago, catch an offer and buy it for like, 100$? It's been awesome for her, she's 60 years old and she works as a realtor, she just uses for web browsing, watch some netflix, send emails, and upload photos on the site she works for, the trackpad SUCKS like REALLY BAD. but the keyboard it's really nice also. Sure those benchmark sucks, but still is usable and she's already make like 5x the value of the laptop working with it. The context is everything it can't run games sure, but she doesn't play anything, for the value is the perfect user for this kind of laptops.
The machine inside that laptop I’m pretty sure is a standardized thing because I’ve seen Walmarts newer machines use that exact motherboard and battery
Alex using a calculator for 2x12 shows how advanced of an engineer he is 😎
Frs lol 😂
As an engineer I can confirm this
Forget engineer can he call himself an adult?
sometimes..i do that too
you are working...on autopilot...open up calc when you see some numbers and then you are like "duh"
Truth. As an engineer, I can't do basic arithmetic anymore.
Their promise of transparency and improved accuracy definitely shows. Double checking 12x2 on a calculator is definitely the way to go! /s
yes linus millionaire shill pay your workers & samplle providers ty
During the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis, Hyundai Corporate had to spin out their electronics department, the Hyundai Electronics got combined with a competitor and became SK-Hynix.
Hyundai Technology, the branch that produces this laptop also sells SSD. Guess which NAND manufacturer do they use?
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@@Henrex2000is micron owned by Hyundai
@@mrguiltyfool No
Hyundai spun off its electronics divisions and kept Hynix. It was only 2011 that SK bought it from Hyundai.
@@dingchavez1960 they spun off undai electro?
Editors: Thank you for including "seizure warnings". I believe that I've seen this channel, or other LTT channels, do that before and it's genuinely great to see. I have epilepsy, and while typically this type of stuff won't cause a seizure, at least in me, it can do things like make me feel sick or disoriented for hours at a time. For TH-cam videos, it's almost never really an issue, but it's so great to see a channel pop up a warning - just in case.
Yeah, I've never had a seizure triggered this way, but it absolutely has caused discomfort before. It's a pretty nice and useful thing that they warn about it beforehand, just as good practice. It might not be strictly necessary in every case, but I appreciate the effort.
I love reading about others experiences of epilepsy. My son has epilepsy and I’m sure when he’s older he will likely watch TH-cam, hopefully similar to my tastes.
I don't have epilepsy but i felt like the time to react is kinda short. Or maybe i'm just slow
Yeah, of course it's almost a guarantee that he would watch TH-cam or videos on a similar platform. Hopefully he's not incredibly photosensitive. If he's not, such as myself, 99% of the time he'll likely not have any issues when going through videos. :) Small devices will be the key for helping him learn how to navigate this side of the internet though, since it's easy to drop the device or look away if he's bothered by it. When he's older, he'll have it all mostly figured out though! @@michaeljgaughan
Yeah same here. I don't black out or anything but the flashing stuff tends to turn me gay. Go figure.
I love that they left him using a calculator for 12x2 :D
I love that rhey left in the insteuctions ro leave it in so that everyone notices.
do you want to try typing that again? @@88porpoise
@@88porpoisewhat language are you speaking? it's not letting me translate
@@asmarly I believe that was "typing-a-comment-while-lying-in-bed-half-asleepese"
@@88porpoise I didnt even notice something was wrong.
According to a Tom’s Hardware article, a company called General Procurement (based in Santa Ana, CA) licenses the brand for the US market - so their products have nothing to do with the car company or SK Hynix. They also sell cheap DRAM-less SSDs, mini PCs, and tablets. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this laptop design sold under other brands (Chuwi, Gateway, etc.). They probably all come from the same ODM.
My mom has this exact laptop, but by the brand Multilaser, which is a Brazilian brand, so I figured it was something like a manufacturer licensing the product.
Unboxing a laptop made by a car brand was literally what Alex was born to do
Calling Hyundai a "car brand" is kind of not doing it justice, they own steel mills, construction/engineering companies, and the 2nd largest shipping company in Korea among a lot of other sectors. It's just those don't get sent/used here.
@@MEatRHIT2009Kinda like Samsung.
@@WillttocSicatedKinda like Mitsubishi
@@MEatRHIT2009 - Don't forget robotics, their own robotics division is pretty impressive and now they own Boston Dynamics as well.
@@malikfaisal416 Oh yeah I forgot about that crazy toaster they made lol
Despite the same name Hyundai and the similar logotypes, Hyundai Technology has nothing to do with Hyundai Motors Group or Hyundai Group. Websites of both corporate groups do not list Hyundai Technology. After some research(although I couldn't find much) one news article claims that Hyundai Technology is using the brand that was left out during the lawsuit between Hyundai Construction(under Hyundai Motors Group) + Hyundai Heavy Industries(under Hyundai Group) and Hyundai IBT(which had become independent from Hyundai Group) when IBT tried to register "Hyundai Technology" as their new brand name. I cannot find how this brand ended up being used by an American company. It might be technically legal to use the brand but it seems like Hyundai Technology is infringing the history of Hyundai Group despite not being related.
we need more linus cameos, not necessarily all in crab mode
Crab Linus is great
As an editor myself, I love the fact that Bell "clapped" @1:00 to help sync the audio and make the job of the editor so much easier even tho he is off-screen😌
They might use the audio spike as an editors note, not just for sync, no need to scroll the footage for it this way.
This seems like a great either backup computer, starter computer for a kid, or for a grandparent who got it because they know Hyundai
you should do a comparison of that laptop versus almost any 10 year old laptop you can buy used for 150 bucks. The slaughter might be fun to watch
It would be really interesting. You could certainly buy a 10-yo that would be better, but I'm not sure you could do it for that price. Especially to match the battery life.
$150 is like an HP EliteBook 820 G2 or similar, so an aging but much more powerful and a usable computer for most productivity and light tasks. I suppose the idea is that you get a brand new battery&SSD with this, it's lightweight and low power draw.
A Thinkpad I bought brand new in 2015 is worth less than that now and it's still a perfectly competent machine, but the battery doesn't last 6 hours anymore
I managed to snag a Lenovo flex 15 from a goodwill auction for about $150 a few months ago, i7-8565U, 16GB DDR4, GeForce MX230, 512GB Sata SSD & 15.6" 1080p screen. Like Linus said somewhere (I think maybe the wan show) it's almost always a better idea to not buy new entry level tech like cheap laptops and graphics cards, and instead buy second hand as you get a way better value.
@@michaelmechexI recently got an old refurbished ThinkPad t460s. It's CPU is 2c/4t, with integrated Intel graphics, from 2016. Mostly got it for writing and light programming it's perfectly capable of that. I threw KDE Plasma at it just to see how good/bad the thing was, but even with a couple of eye-candy effects enabled it's perfectly usable. It was a great 200€ "investment" and I think it might be better than this brand new Hyundai thing.
This chassis / tooling...it feels like it came from the same factory as the Pinebook Pro - but with a HDMI port and a different CPU soldered onto the board. It might even be the same IPS panel, as the panel on my Pinebook Pro is also controlled via PWM and with similar colour accuracy and brightness. And I've worked with many laptops before, even real crappy ones, but that whine when adjusting the brightness is just awful.
Now that you've also mentioned the keyboard typing experience, that really matches the PBP. I have typed on so many laptop keyboards now and that keyboard is still one of the best i've ever typed on.
And then the board layout in general, these rubberfeet, the speakers, even the semi-good touchpad, it all looks very familiar.
The Pinebook pro is at least 1920x1080. But, yeah, same keyboard and general chassis design.
Interestingly, the ODM that makes this laptop must be also making those Gateway laptops that Walmart has been selling. Nearly identical motherboard and battery layout!
Yeah. Tongfang is known to make the Acer/Gateway/eMachines/Walmart laptop (all the same, just different brand depending upon region and or retailer).
@@matthewjbauer1990oh yeah some of the tongfengs are made fairly well for the price. didn't realize this was a tongfeng- thank you
Yeah. Cheap. This is..better than an android tablet. That's it, though. This CPU is such a low TDP it doesn't even use a fan
What really doesn't make sense is who Hyundai felt the need to make a laptop
i love the idea of Bell leaving notes for editors in the video itself so its not lost in emails or such
My first PC monitor was a Deawoo brand, in 1994 a car and electronics manufacturer. And since then, I've had Hyundai and Mitsubishi monitors. 😎
Daewoo also built military rifles and other equipment for the South Korean military once upon a time.
@@ljessecusterl Very interesting. To add that that, Hyundai currently owns Boston Dynamics which makes military grade robots.
Do you have the Samsung car
Mitsubishi actually manufactured aperture grille tubes (similar to Trinitron) for a lot of CRT monitors, branded Diamondtron. I have an old Iiyama monitor that uses one.
@@luciascarlet We used to have a Mitsufishy Tv, the remote could be stored in the tv, and ejected out at the push of a button.
10:15 Crab Linus
Note that this laptop is not from Hyundai group
They are just using one of Hyundai branding license that was lost during the 1998 Asian Financial Crisis + failure of Succession Planning,
and act like it is from the Hyundai group
Not Alex checking what 12x2 is on the calculator 💀😂
4 feet from laptop screen 😃
4 feet from phone screen 💀
Had a Hyundai monitor mire than a decade ago (still in a box somewhere), worked perfectly and had way more features than other main brands for the same price.
Hyundai previously sold a Windows 8.1(?) Laptop called the Kanabo oriented towards gamers. It may or may not have been sold in America or Canada but it did in fact end up in Mexico for some reason.
14:24 of course it has good battery and better than an XPS 15 because it’s hardly doing much processing as you can hardly do much large processing with it.
Dosnt change the fact that the xps battery life is shameful.
yeah the TDP of the processor is a power consuming 6W
The power adaptor, as Alex expertly figured out, is only 24W.
There has to be some company in Shenzen that is selling this type of chassis to resellers, this looks almost identical to the PineBook Pro and has a lot of the same pros / cons
Yep landfill crap, should be outlawed...4gb ram in 2023...
Yeah there must be quite popular ODM of those things out there.
When I saw port layout I've recognized that internally it's must be just a mirrored Ezbook 3 Pro that I've bought in 2017 for $200 (actually better -- FHD, metal chassis, 6GB ram, quad core n3450)
@@Djuntasif outlawed then what will they screw poor people over with ?
Tons of people buy the cheapest junk and it's instantly outdated. My stepdad bought some HP laptop in 2015 and it was sooo bad. Not even enough space for Windows update, if I had to guess the main storage was flash memory.
@@Gatorade69 yep all emc storage should be illegal...You know when you see that shit its like the laptop is saying "buy me sucker". I saw some in stores over the years even in my country, and its just...why. Save up and keep it for 5-10 years. My old shitty laptop from 2014, while not good, was at least 8gb drr3, but defiantly should had spend more back then too.
This would be a great Linux laptop (after adding an SSD that is). A lightweight distro would run great on it and the battery life would be stellar. For travelling this could be all you need for web surfing and the like. I like it. Great job as always Alex (and more Linus Crab Dancing please 😂)
Yeah I was thinking there has to be some intended use case for that laptop It seems like Windows was not the intended use case.
just needs gentoo with dwm
yeah but the screen is dog sh*t. You could get far better laptops for the price
@@mrguest3749 It seems chromebooks of the around the same price and the same size use a 768p display as well.
@@alext3811youd be better off buying an older laptop though.
For 175$ you could get a used Dell Latitude that businesses get rid of as soon as the warranty is over. I still have mine from 2014 and they're excellent.
This must be a joke.
@@Ulexcool No, I still have Dell Latitude e7450 that I got from an office getting rid of them, and they're far superior to the specs on that Hyundai laptop and cost about the same.
Curious minds would like to know how you get such a thing?
gotta love how linus is just vibing to crab rave in the background at 10:18
I love watching budget-laptop reviews! Since it has an SSD slot available, I'd like to see how usable it might be in the long run, say, three or five years from now.
For instance, I'm still using an AMD-e2 1800 powered Asus that I bought back in 2013. Despite being a budget machine back then, I was able to keep it usable over time and now serves mostly as a tv box and as a guinea-pig PC.
Never underestimate low-powered budget laptops. With enough ingenuity and the right optimisations, they can serve for a good while.
Ps.: I once dared to benchmark the E2 1800 on cinebench r23 and got 123 pts on multithread, don't remember how "little" it was on single thread mode. I was not amazed for the low score but rather at how much I've done over the years with such an underpowered machine.
I got a Lenovo t430 with an i7 and 1600x900 display on eBay for 100 bucks. Dropped in some ram and a 256gb ssd for 35 bucks. Installed pop os thanks to Emily's great video. I'll take this thing over a chrome book any day.
It is super easy to hate on that laptop but those are quite popular here. They're called cloudbooks. As you found out the keyboard is impressive for a cheap product and it has outstanding battery life. I bought a similar laptop (physically looks the same although white in colour) for taking notes and using it in the classroom, I was able to get 12h of battery life. I didn't even pack the charger.
The fact that it has Windows makes it better than a chromebook as it's compatible with way more software. Even games like GTA, GTA2. It's quite capable. Slow but capable.
I've got a Hyundai SSD as my boot drive. Got it for $16 on black friday a few years back. Was a bit surprised to see it, but it's possibly the only drive in my desktop that has given me zero issues.
What is the capacity? I'm building a pc and at that price, it's seriously worth considering if it's 512gb and reliable
128. It's just my boot drive, and at the time I was using all HDDs for everything else.@@sierrachief117
This doesn't seem that bad, it looks really simlar to an Acer Chromebook. 14" 1366 X 768 is only starting to go away now.
Engineers are the funniest, they are super smart yet lazy, and that combination creates some of the greatest advancements in humanity haha
As a software engineer I love the saying "Take a 2 minute task and make it a 3 month project", perfectly describes what we do
In Mexico you can find Hyundai laptops as well in Walmart and Bodega Ahurrera (which is owned by Walmart) sold as cheap basic laptops, priced at around 200-250 usd, usually in Bodega Ahurrera it’s where you can find more off brand or cheap brands technology stuff, obviously depending on the quality it can be pretty bad, but you get what you paid for
As an American your intentional pronunciation of the “Y” in “Hyundai” is maddening. We just call it “hun day”
Oh come on bro its not the end of the world.😂
After seeing that SSD slot, and knowing its got a good keyboard, and know that its got killer battery life, might be enough for me to pick one of these up gfor shits and gigs.
Someone else was pointing out that this exact laptop (at least cosmetically, don't think they took it apart) is available from Multilaser and probably other brands, so you might find it for even less than that with some digging.
Watching this with a Celeron 2957U C720 Chromebook from 2013 at 720p. Use this thing as a daily driver because of the awesome keyboard, touchscreen and battery life. Had to flash MrChromeBox's UEFI firmware, to make the chromebook a laptop with UEFI. Then used a rammus recovery file to install chromeOS. Now we got playstore and updated version of the os to view newer websites. She's a CHAMP! I also installed a 256GB M.2 because it was like $20 lol
Thank you for coming to my DREAD talk
In Brazil we have a brand that has laptops like this one, it called Positivo.
I dont think ive seen a PWM backlight as bad as that in years!
From my experience pwm is fine if the period is short enough and, considering a bargain basement standard mcu, with a pwm output pin can manage a 100us period very easily, (10kHz on/off rate with varying duty) and, even the cheapest of processors have pwm timer output pins capable of orders of magnitude higher switching frequencies doubt this was them cheaping out.
To have a pwm screen that flickers that much you'd need a period closer if not exceeding 1ms, where the limits of persistence of vision starts to becomes more apparent. For it to be this bad on a modern device this was likely caused by a hardware oversight that was then bodged with a software hack, like bit-bashing the pwm rather than using a dedicated pwm timer output pin.
how a company as big as hyundai would settle for a sub optimal software hack over a new board revision is beyond me, but then again might not be worth the r and d cost in fixing given the products price point.
gold star for background dancers!
I was expecting Alex to rate the keyboard a B considering it sounds like "it's really good for a laptop of this price range" and when he went for A- I was blown away because that means it's gotta be better than keyboards from machines that are often $1000+ or even more.
Linus being a crabby mang during the speaker test is great ^_^-b
Getting non-S Windows is actually easy. Settings -> Update & Security -> Activation, Switch to Windows 10 Home/Pro "Go to Store", Switch out of S Mode -> Get, and you're done. It looks like it's not even a download to do it, just a setting change.
When I'm looking for a cheap AF laptop I always have a couple things to look out for. I stay away from Intel N-series chips or the AMD analogue (I forget what it's called) and I want to be able to upgrade RAM and storage. This thing apparently lets you upgrade storage which is not a guarantee at this price point.
This is actually interesting - frequently tech channels focus on the top end devices, and best game play etc, but having reviews that'll help you find the best 'bang for your buck' at a range of price points would be valuable - if only for a email and youtube laptop for your gran.
Your grandmother knows what TH-cam is?
In our country, we have a laptop called Mecer, also known as RCT, Proline and Connex. Those are basically the exact same as this one, minus the Hyundai name
Will all short circuit videos have this echo going forwards? 😔
"calculating voltages is more difficult" like he's applying Kirchhoff's voltage law or something
The CISCO phone ringtone at 1:25 gave me PTSD from setting up VOIP systems at work
I'm a bit confused, Windows in "S mode" is just a setting. Windows 10 S doesn't exist anymore in the latest versions of the OS, and updating Windows 10 S should automatically take you to a state where its just a switch that enables and disables Microsoft Store-only installations (and pretty much nothing else). So not sure what the criticism on this is about.
Those are Chromebook specs. A small Linux distro with some lightweight office apps and a browser would make for a cheap travel laptop.
And These Vehicle Computers is Where you could Take Back to Work with all Those Electronic Stores Back to Work Sales Stuff that's on Our Minds Too.
$163 USD on Amwzon now. It would be good at about half of that.
So what you're saying is that this is a pretty functional word processor that has network access, and can maybe cope with playing a little bit of solitaire.
And you could set up a spreadsheet of a limited kind. You know, for calculations like 12 x 2.
He sounds more Canadian than usual lol
My current laptop was 160-170 USD. A HP 255 G8 with a Ryzen 5 3500U, 4GB of RAM, and a 256GB NVMe SSD, both of those upgradable (I went for 1TB and 16GB more of RAM). Yes, you can get an used laptop for less than $200 that is way more complete and powerful than a Chromebook, or these kinds of laptops.
We need a greenscreen cut out version of Linus dancing crab rave
I got my dad pretty much this exact laptop, like its 100% the same design, just instead of hyndai its a random-letters chinese brand, the little door has an actual (noname) ssd behind it, 12 gigs of ram (the reason i actually got it, i used to tell my parents to just get whatever is cheapest because they really dont do anything that would require actual hardware but really low ram always made the things freeze up all the time) and i think maybe the processor is slightly faster since it came with vanilla full windows (zero bloatware!) but still some kind of celeron N4xxx variant. Also i think the monitor is better because i couldnt see any flickering, but idk how much the recording highlighted that in this video.
Hes pretty happy with it, the keyboard is actually great (although slightly hampered because instead of changing the layout they just ship the US layout with rubber overlays for different layouts, but my dad despite his job literally being "writing long essays" still does "hunt and peck" so it doesnt matter). I would never get him a Chromebook, he kinda barely knows how to use windows after using it for decades, if he was on chrome os i probably would have to do 24/7 tech support without having any experience with it lol.
4:00 PWM is used on almost every LED screen in existence. the difference is that higher-quality ones flash much faster and the flicker is generally undetectable
That‘s sinply not true. Just look at the tests on notebookcheck. Most Notebooks DON‘T use PWM on their LED backlit panels anymore.
OLED panels always use PWM, though, which is why they suck imo.
That pink cheapest laptop from a previous video - got one in front of me, same layout and keyboard, chassis is the same, screen seems to have been updated but no way they didn't all start in the same place...
Typed this and got to the trackpad, that's the same too!
I saw Hyundai's Tech website and noticed a gaming line, though it's only barebone gaming towers with only PSUs and RGB fans on it.
If only they made a dedicated pre-built gaming PC line, then name the gaming lineup "N-Line" (as a nod to the high-performance line of cars from Hyundai's Automotive Division).
If they improved their quality of Desktops and Laptops (like they do their cars) and give them mid to high tier performance at a competitive price, as an automotive enthusiast I would buy any of their "N-Line" PC in a heartbeat (as to become an owner of a modern gaming PC with automotive-themed branding).
Liked the video when Linus just danced across in the background, made my day, thank you! :)
I think this is a white label device -- I have one that looks identical from a brand called "Eevolv", same specs and everything. I got mine for $99! It's slow, but I'm not as worried about dropping it off a ladder, lol -- I use it for things like checking network switches and aligning security cameras. If I drop it, I don't risk losing as much as if I carry a $300+ laptop... It's serviceable. Mine came with 10 Home tho [and I have Pro licenses out the wazoo]
It doesn't look too bad for the price. But personally I would rather buy a refurbished business laptop for the same money. It will be faster and a lot more durable.
Buying a laptop made by a car company is like buying a dishwasher from a tech company.
I think if your hardware lacks performance to the point where you're considering Windows S mode, you really should be using something else entirely. Like Chrome OS or even Android. Or just fully embrace FOSS and put Debian on it or something.
10:15 The moment of Linus colab in the review
Fyi you can change from windows s to windows home for free in seconds.
I know you don't know french cars, but now I want a Peugeot review
of their pepper mills that is
Linus doing the crab made me so happy for some reason 🤣
“I’m about 4 feet away…”
Alex, HOW LONG ARE YOUR ARMS?!
You know , I was about to comment this but saw you noticed it as well.
Is Alex 8'? Or is his ape index (wingspan) like 8+
I Had a Laptop Like This 3 Years Ago In College As a Budget Laptop For Notes In Class, They Literally Have The Same Design, Specs And Everything But Mine Was White
I Guess Hyundai Found The OEM That Makes It
well n4020 is a dual core processor. No wonder. But don't just dismiss the whole cheapo windows laptop category, if you get something with say N5000 or N5100 or better, with 8GB of ram it is actually quite usable while keeping the decent battery life AND being completely silent due to passive cooling. On some occasions that's a huge plus.
Also with board this small this could be an 7 or 8 inch windows tablet. I do miss those and there's not a single new one on the market, not even from weird brands.
I had a Hyundai 4:3 Monitor from about 2005 to 2015 that served me well as a secondary monitor. They make some okay electronics!
On the subject of evs, is LMG planning on sending anyone to SEMA? ik its a bit left field but i definitely think you have an audience for it, just as there is for CES
Love the shot of linus crabraving by in the background😂
I have a old Hyundai computer (from something like 1995?) and it has their own power supply.
I work in a retail in Bulgaria/ Europe. In 2010-2012 we sold Hyundai PCs. I am 10000% sure that they had nothing to do with Hyundai. To this day idk how they managed to use the name and brand. The PCs were your local e-waste Celeron, Atom and some random AMD cpu models.
Having a big market of used enterprise ThinkPads, these low budget laptops are usually very hard to justify.
Bought an 11" used Thinkpad for the equivalent of ~250 USD, it got a kabylake i5 and an actual SSD, but for way less you can get a Haswell i5 that is still way faster.
Remember guys, buy used, a bit of risk for a good product vs no risk for a known bad product.
I love that the sponsor segue was to better laptops.
Okay so, legit moment here - I just opened a Gateway laptop that has the same internals as this Hyundai laptop - model gwtn156-11bk Only difference is that the gateway has a single fan and heatpipes for cooling the CPU.
Okay, second look once I was able to get a bigger view of the internals - some things were in different spots, but definitely same ODM.
Hyundai is one of many asian companies that makes whatever you can think of. Monitors, watches, TVs, cars, trucks...
I somehow knew about Hyundai by their computer monitors before I saw any of their cars appear in my area.
15:25
I feel like we should be talking about the penguin in the room here.
Windows and Chrome are not the only options.
And from experience, a celeron 4020 on a lightened linux distro is frugal as hell and perfectly capable of media playback, browsing and writing.
Few years back I bought a Hyundai Food Processor. Still used by my family.
Anytime anyone mentions that they are wanting to buy a laptop brand new, I always tell them to please stay away from ones with the 'Intel Inside' on it as those are usually Celerons and are generally more trouble than what they are worth. They are also stupidly expensive in general stores that sell electronics in South Africa, where you could potentially pay up to R6000 (thats 300 USD with todays conversion, which is just dumb)
You are better off buying a laptop with a 3rd gen i5 at that point, and doing an SSD and RAM upgrade for a little more leg room.
can you not "upgrade" any Windows S device to full windows for free? That's what the Microsoft support page tells me at least
a compilation of Alex saying "NOT TOOOOO BAD"
I actually saw this (or something similar) on campus where i am.... it definitely was something else seeing Hyundai on a laptop
The best cameo to date 10:24 😂😂😂
i could totally see this at a hyundai/kia dealership. them using the laptop to type in loan info or car sales ect.
"It isn't super squishy", yet looks like a rubber mat=)
Another way to put it in perspective is that the screen resolution on that laptop is comparable to the screen resolution of a Steam Deck.
i was waiting that their will be a showcase on post ssd installation comparison briefly but to my despair it wasn't there. For that moment i was excited.
It looks exactly like a Thomson Neo 14"1, even the inside is the same. The position of the LEDs indicators is the same, the only difference I see is the m.2 slot is replace by a SATA on the Thomson
I'd like yo see you source their other models, specifically if they have more premium models. It'll be interesting to see what Hyundai could do.
Omg I just noticed that the short circuit light in the back has a crooked block
To be fair, a lot of companies diversify. Look at Texas Instruments, makers of scientific calculators and missle guidance systems
Next: I bought a Samsung Car so you don't have to!
Most people don't know but Samsung makes cars in Korea as a partnership w/ Renault-Nissan. But its wild to me that Korea who is known for being crazy enthusiastic about gaming and pioneered e-sports doesn't build any real major gaming laptops or desktops. Neither Samsung nor LG ever any real attempt to capitalize on gaming outside of monitors.
thats just branding licensee
and they don't even have a branding licensee anymore
RENAULT-SAMSUNG MOTORS -> Renault Korea Motors
another perspective, my 2011 HP Elitebook 2540p has a core i7 640LM, a 12 year old Low voltage dual core CPU is about twice as fast as the N4020. which came out like 3 years ago.
Here’s a good video idea I’ve been shopping in the cheap laptop space “maybe a 200-300, new vs used hardware in laptop space” may make a decent video, I’d be willing to bet my $150 dollar windows tablet will run circles around that thing.
Oh shucks, the Rayman Legends servers were only on for 2 days and now it's off again. I need longer than that. I got merely 1 diamond cup, I still need 950 more points to get the Xbox 360 achievement.
11:09 For $200, you should look at old workstation laptops, even something 6-7 years old will have more CPU power. The only con is weight.
I'm in chile, and i gifted my mom this laptop a few months ago, catch an offer and buy it for like, 100$? It's been awesome for her, she's 60 years old and she works as a realtor, she just uses for web browsing, watch some netflix, send emails, and upload photos on the site she works for, the trackpad SUCKS like REALLY BAD. but the keyboard it's really nice also. Sure those benchmark sucks, but still is usable and she's already make like 5x the value of the laptop working with it. The context is everything it can't run games sure, but she doesn't play anything, for the value is the perfect user for this kind of laptops.
The machine inside that laptop I’m pretty sure is a standardized thing because I’ve seen Walmarts newer machines use that exact motherboard and battery