You guys, I love this, I was a lonely teenage kid watching this stuff in the basement, on basic cable, TBS, and I loved it. These stories take me right back to my Atari and the 80s. I lived in rural Virginia, near where Tony Schiavone is from.
The question is...... Did you watch wrestling because you were a lonely kid? Or were you a lonely kid because you watched wrestling? 😅 I'm kidding, I watched too. Awesome time!
I just saw this and realized that it came off really mean. I just wanted to apologize. I really was kidding. I have a habit of going to far sometimes and I can come off a little more cruel than I mean too. It comes from a friendly place of wanting to joke around but it's one thing for me to know that and it's another for someone else to know it. I'm sure you could care less about my opinion anyway but I'm trying to be a better person and this sort of thing has to go.
My wife was listening over my shoulder. "You've listened to him just list the towns where he wrestled & how much he got paid for the past hour." "I know, it's awesome!" Love your podcast, sir & all your stories. #FVR
sgord051 I started watching wrestling in the mid 80’s. It really was the golden era. Growing up in NY all I knew at first was WWF. Then I started watching JCP and the reruns of WCCW on espn after school. Awesome times.
I don’t even watch wrestling any more and I love this “inside baseball” type of stuff. It’s probably because Corny is the one talking, that man can tell a story.
I saw JCP’s NWA for the first and only time on December 30, 1986 at the San Francisco Civic. First time they ever came out west. I had a ringside seat right on the aisle where the good guys came out. I will never forget that night. There was a sign hanging that said “The Road Warriors and Black Sabbath Rock San Francisco.” Sam Houston beat Teijo Khan. The Rock and Roll beat Ole and Arn. The Road Warriors lost to the Midnight by DQ but we got our moneys worth when Bobby and Dennis got nailed with Jim’s own tennis racket. My favorite match of the night was Nikita beating Tully clean with the Sickle. Dusty beat Ric but was DQ’d for reasons I can’t remember. And Animal won the Bunkhouse Stampede. Barry Windham gave me a high five coming out. Thank you Corny and thank you Jim Crockett Promotions for one of my fondest memories.
@@erictoniaschwab1009 Oh man it wasn't a correction I just know because like I said I still have the ticket stub and I had been going to wrestling steady since 81 in the bay area, you are the first guy that has mentioned that card and it was beyond EPIC, CHEERS.
Jason Kessler Did you ever get to the Cow Palace to watch any wrestling? I went once in 1987 and it was a TV taping. Honestly it was a little dull. The main event was Hulk versus Killer Khan.
@@erictoniaschwab1009 Oh yeah, like I said I am not a wrestling dictionary but I grew up there, I just turned 50 this August so I am not a young man but not Grandpa either. I went for the first time in 1975 and saw Pat Patterson wrestle Moondog Mayne in the main event, Peter Maivia, (the Rocks grandpa) was also on the card but I don't remember him, Alexis Smirnoff was on the card and so was a tag team called The Von Brauners was also on the card. Then Roy Shire was the promoter and it was actually a NWA territory and Harley Race I can remember would come around and I think Terry Funk did to but I didn't go to wrestling that much after that first time just watched it on TV. Roy Shire closed shop in 1981 and that was when the AWA took over and Leo Nomellini was the promoter and I stated going to wrestling on a regular bases at the end of 1981. The memories are to much to go over but it was fun times, saw Hulk Hogan before he went back to WWF and all the main stars of the AWA. It all changed at the end of 1983, (went to a card Dec 26 Hogan was supposed to be there but was a no show. Ray Stevens took his place) and at the beginning of 1984 the WWF took over the TV spot that the AWA had on KOFY TV 20 and they suffered from that moment on. Did see The Road Warriors and got to see Bruiser Brody and Abdulah The Butcher on the same card, (There maybe was 2,000 people there) Abdulah wrestled Black Jack Mulligan and Brody drug Steve Olsinaski around that empty building for about 15 minuets. In 1986 the AWA actually moved over to Oakland and started promoting shows at The Henry J. Kaiser and came back to the Cow Palace in 1987, There is a match Between Curt Henning and Nick Bockwinkle were Larry Zybysko hits Bockwinkle with a pack of quarters, I think it was Super Clash but I didn't go but I remember driving by the cow palace seeing it on the marquee but I was paying for my own tickets and wasn't going to be paying for that because the AWA was just not that good anymore. The WWF was promoting shows in the bay area in 1983 before Hogan was champ but they were doing it down in San Jose which at that time I guess was not really in the AWA"s backyard. There is a Facebook page called THE GOLDEN AGE OF CALIFORNIA WRESTLING that goes into detail about wrestling in CA and you would be surprised were they had cards at, virtually everywhere. One of the moderators is a guy named ROCK RIMS and he can answer any question that you have but there time period goes to the early 1980s and prior so it doesn't include much modern or WWF stuff. Have lots more stuff I could say but I leave it here.
I was born in 1980 and from 1985 on up I grew up watching the Rock N Roll battle the midnight Express. Jim and his signature racket ringside starting trouble. Good childhood memories and I loved it all. Thank You Jim Cornette. I'm not part of the cult, but I may as well be. You're the truth man.
July 12, 1987 in baltimore was my 1st live event. Bash 87 was fantastic. Midnights/freebirds was awsome. Charlotte stadium was flair/hawk, and dusty/tully-($1000k barbed wire match)
The psychology of the kayfabe era was awesome. For months and months we would watch Jim Cornette run his mount on tv and get away with cheating left and right. On tv he would always slip away before taking any real damage from the Rock and Roll Express. When the house shows came to town the RR Express would ram his head into a chair over and over again and the crowd would go nuts. It was awesome payoff !!!
He has alot of it notated and literally recorded as well as if he himself knew 35 years later he’d have to compensate for shitty programming by reminiscing in the most vivid detail practically bringing you back to that time..try listening to these WHILE watching/ following each week on WWE network its like a watch along on steroids
This was the time where I had just discovered the NWA and JCP in particular, having grown up on the WWF and Stampede Wrestling. I was blown away by guys like the Road Warriors, who once you saw them after watching Demolition stumble around you know who the originals were, and the Midnights, Beautiful Bobby and Sweet Stan edition, possibly the most 'in-sync' tag team out there, and of course, Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen...THAT was pro wrestling. I love that Corny's going over this time period, it was the greatest one for me.
I discovered NWA until late 1986. World Class before that. Then UWF which was Mid -South. I would collect Pro Wrestling Ilustrated. 1987 was amazing to me, then everything changed.
This Era is what I what I grew up with & will always remember it as the true height of wrestling up until it started changing more up into the mid 1990s. When the NWA morphed fully into WCW, it rolled along with incredible matches for a few years..
I was at the Cap Centre show. Finally convinced my father to go & he had a great time. Really strong show, but they should have put Flair in a single match that night.
I remember those NWA shows after the Indians games in the old Municipal Stadium in Cleveland. My dad always took us to those games. I remember Corny making that crack about the last time the Indians won was when they beat Custer. LOL
@@indiansfever11 I don't think any other stadium had that unique mixture but you had to be there to describe it. I miss that place so much I was crying during the demolition looking at the wrecking ball smash the red gate signs and walls
I know why corny was pissed about missing july 4th...not only the big holiday...but the biggest night of the bash '87 tour. Pissed because he missed the WARGAMES PAYOUT.
JCP's late 80s expansion against Vince was like a Mom and Pop cafe challenging McDonalds armed only with a lemonade stand and a couple of lawn chairs. Like Corny says, they didn't have the infrastructure to be doing the shit they were doing. They bit off more than they could chew
Always thought if Crockett stayed in the mid Atlantic & Southeast they'd probably still be in Business. Once they bought mid south and started traveling there and to the west coast it was the beginning of the end IMO.
Incredibly fascinating. When I realized that he is literally going through the stats of the promotiion; I flipped out. The level of detail...and '87 was probably the year I was most engaged to wrestling too. JC is the war-story and stat king.
I was at that half show in Cleveland. There was over 30,000 fans at that game/show. Cleveland always drew well for the NWA/Crockett promotions. Huge fanbase in the northern cities.
Remember the shot of that guy ripping the Hulkamania shirt up, middle finger in the air, and flashing the Four Horsemen hand sign at a WWF event???...one of the greatest things I've ever seen...ever.
I saw JCP all the time at the Township Auditorium in Columbia S.C. JCP was hard to top from 1985-1988. I continued to watch after the sale. I really enjoyed Flair/ Steamboat in 1989.
I will always think that one of the biggest mistakes Jim Crockett made when trying to expand was buying other territories and then still trying to run them. Vince wasn’t buying territories to keep them running. Vince was buying out territories to air his product there. On top of that some of these territories that he was buying were almost dead anyway. They already had a national television show with TBS on Saturdays so if you’re going to do anything whether it’s by the territory and/or just buy their local TV spot instead of trying to have other companies running that are already dying just throw the medic Lantic show on in place of their old TV show. If you’re going to cop events at least copy and do it the right way. He should have never have tried to keep those other territories running that he bought. The only thing he should’ve worried about was taking the talent from those territories he wanted and then just airing his syndicated show in place of their old syndicated show. That’s one of those deals that you can’t really be wishy-washy about. The other thing that was a mistake that Vince didn’t do was that when Vince was expanding he did not abandon his own backyard. The north east was still the main place to see the WWF in the 80s. It’s not like Vince bought out the AWA and the West Coast territories and then just left the Northeast and decided to come back there once every three months. Jim Crockett just a band in the Carolinas almost completely. If you want to expand fine But don’t abandon the fans that got you to the dance in the first place.
I haven’t been interested in wrestling for over 20 yrs. Over that time, the product has turned into garbage. These podcasts are frigin awesome!!!! I’ll listen to this all day!!!
I was lucky enough to see some NWA house shows in Norfolk and Richmond in the late 80's. The arenas were packed with country hicks with remedial intelligence that thought wrestling was real. The crowds were lit up and ready to see a fight. Even those of us that knew it was fake... believed. People would get worked up all week to take a shot at a bad guy as they walked the aisle with no barriers and little security. Their best protection was fear and those biceps that were bigger than most peoples heads. Flair would stand right in the middle of the aisle and practically dare someone to take a shot at him. The magic is long gone.
Fayetteville, born and raised. Our family couldn't afford to see the NWA but is so nice to hear Jim put us over on this! Even being a huge home for the military most people didn't like the WWF. I knew of no fans whom felt the NWA was anything but the top wrestling promotion.
Rockingham here ...we went as often as we could...Charlotte Fayetteville Raleigh Greensboro...my pa or my dad or anyone I could coax...they would do Richmond Sr high ...ppl from NC won't get it....literally every week drive an hour or 2 and watch wrestling as you could afford it...miss those times
I love these things because it makes me use my imagination to see all the stuff and it’s so cool , especially the stuff from the early 80’s it was like the Wild West , so awesome
Thank you Mr CORNETTE for doing these wonderful video's. I love hearing you tell about the old day wrestling stories. Keep up the good work.I live in Star North Carolina.
"Learning the Ropes" LOL! Yannick Bisson, who plays Lyle Alzado's teenage son in that show, is on one of the most successful TV show on TV right now, "Murdock Mysteries".
I wish Jimmy hadn't glossed over Starcade that year- I saw it live at the Scope in Norfolk & would have LOVED hearing his take on LOD vs Sting & Dusty for the Tag titles and Bam Bam vs Windham for the U.S. strap! Still, 'LOVE the podcast- Thank you, Fuck you, Bye!
Yay! Newton, NC!! Where I live. Well I live in Conover but same thing, nice to hear Mr. Cornette comes around here. pretty sure Flair comes here to golf at Rock Barn but I’d rather see Jim Cornette any day over Flair!
@@shakeandjake_1 I was born in 1977, and first started watching wrestling in 1987. Jim Crockett promotions was THE best wrestling on t.v. WWF tv matches were 90% stars versus nobody's. Jim Crockett had better rivals imo
@@chadrobbins6889 Yep.WWF was nothing but squash matches with jobbers.Every once in a while we did get Saturday Night Main Event which was the only time you would see good WWF matches on free TV. I was jealous because my grand parents had cable,and the only time I got to see the Saturday afternoon Crockett product on TBS,was if I happened to be visiting,or if I was at the local Venture department store.A few times I would stand there in the electronics section and watch the Koloffs or Dusty or who ever.
Jim Cornette is a legend and possibly the most important storyteller of wrestling history. We don't deserve him but damned if we aren't lucky to have him.
I was born in 89 so these thing being talked about is new 2 me I love this I'm finding out a lot about wrestling hopefully I can find out more like this can't wait for more story's of nwa wcw
Hey...Crockett FUCKED UP. I would NOT have spent as much money as he did without making it or break even. I don't feel bad that Mr. McMahon has acquired JCP. Crockett FUCKED UP
After 50 minutes, Jim was talking about tv tapings in arenas in front of small crowds. When Crockett bought UWF, they had a tv taping at the Hirsch Coliseum in Shreveport and I was up in the stands and there was about maybe 1500 to 2000 fans there and the dark main event was Sting vs. Black Bart inside a cage. The card only advertised 2 matches and I believe the other dark match was two undercard wrestlers to open the show. It was boring cause this was not Mid-South Wrestling this was UWF with boring Crockett booking. Feature stars were Sting, Dr. Death, Black Bart, Big Bubba, Rick Steiner, Barry Windham, Brad Armstrong & Tim Horner Plus some others. Let’s say that card killed business for UWF and NWA for good in Shreveport and only WWF came to town with B card shows. Cage match lasted 5 minutes. Sting won and he, Rick Steiner and Dr. Death got the biggest reactions.
Just for curiosity I looked up reasons Fishersville VA and Harrisonburg VA show canceled. I am from that area. Some snow but bitter cold and high winds. Overnight zero degrees, daylight temperatures low 20degrees. This is 15 to 20 degrees below normal. Very bad winter.
Robert Gibson can watch a tennis match abd not move his head. He can see round corners. He's got one eye going to the shop and the other coming back with the change.
This is so interesting to me. What a life Jim and the boys have lived before social media or anything. I would love to go back in time and try this for a month.
Flair-Steamboat by FAR. steamboat DID his part and HELPED Ric Flair make the matches GREAT. Flair ALWAYS had to carry the match BY HIMSELF against Funk. Funk was a LAZY basterd who just did as he was told. FLAIR had to make Funk look good. But Funk didn't do ANYTHING but BRAWL.
Growing up in the Carolinas. I'd seen Flair and Steamboat wrestle several times as a kid. I grew up on Flair and Steamboat. For me Funk and Flair was better in 89, no knock on Flair and Steamboat 89.
You guys, I love this, I was a lonely teenage kid watching this stuff in the basement, on basic cable, TBS, and I loved it. These stories take me right back to my Atari and the 80s. I lived in rural Virginia, near where Tony Schiavone is from.
Born in 77 I feel ya...!!!!
Born in 72 - totally get it.
Geek 😂🎉😂
The question is...... Did you watch wrestling because you were a lonely kid? Or were you a lonely kid because you watched wrestling? 😅 I'm kidding, I watched too. Awesome time!
I just saw this and realized that it came off really mean. I just wanted to apologize. I really was kidding. I have a habit of going to far sometimes and I can come off a little more cruel than I mean too. It comes from a friendly place of wanting to joke around but it's one thing for me to know that and it's another for someone else to know it. I'm sure you could care less about my opinion anyway but I'm trying to be a better person and this sort of thing has to go.
I keep coming back to these 80s deep dives . I'm so glad Jim shares all this info.
Jim’s knowledge of the business is endless. Love listening to him talk wrestling
he was in the meeting too he would know about finical aspects
Absolutely
This guy has actual documentation of the business.
My wife was listening over my shoulder. "You've listened to him just list the towns where he wrestled & how much he got paid for the past hour."
"I know, it's awesome!"
Love your podcast, sir & all your stories. #FVR
It is awesome!!!
I agree, it is pretty cool that he kept all them records. Wish more wrestlers did the same.
Thats why your wife is your neighbors girlfriend.
I can't get enough of these stories, the back half of the 80's are my absolute favorite time period of the business.
sgord051 I started watching wrestling in the mid 80’s. It really was the golden era. Growing up in NY all I knew at first was WWF. Then I started watching JCP and the reruns of WCCW on espn after school. Awesome times.
born in 79 so 80's early 90's is my shit but I'm a NY guy but this stuff is so good
@@dennismarie6599 born in 81 and I love the 80s and 90s damn I miss those days
@@jamaaldavis3222 agreed, born in 83. From 1985 through 2002-3 everything was gravy.... even the mid 90s shit time...as a kid, still loved it
@@dnice2000 facts brother you were born the same year as my brother I'm glad we grew up in the best era ever
I don’t even watch wrestling any more and I love this “inside baseball” type of stuff. It’s probably because Corny is the one talking, that man can tell a story.
I saw JCP’s NWA for the first and only time on December 30, 1986 at the San Francisco Civic. First time they ever came out west. I had a ringside seat right on the aisle where the good guys came out. I will never forget that night. There was a sign hanging that said “The Road Warriors and Black Sabbath Rock San Francisco.” Sam Houston beat Teijo Khan. The Rock and Roll beat Ole and Arn. The Road Warriors lost to the Midnight by DQ but we got our moneys worth when Bobby and Dennis got nailed with Jim’s own tennis racket. My favorite match of the night was Nikita beating Tully clean with the Sickle. Dusty beat Ric but was DQ’d for reasons I can’t remember. And Animal won the Bunkhouse Stampede. Barry Windham gave me a high five coming out. Thank you Corny and thank you Jim Crockett Promotions for one of my fondest memories.
I was there too!, great night but, and not that it really needs correcting but it was the 30th, Tuesday night still got the ticket stub. $15.00
Jason Kessler thank you for the correction. That was a long time ago 😊
@@erictoniaschwab1009 Oh man it wasn't a correction I just know because like I said I still have the ticket stub and I had been going to wrestling steady since 81 in the bay area, you are the first guy that has mentioned that card and it was beyond EPIC, CHEERS.
Jason Kessler Did you ever get to the Cow Palace to watch any wrestling? I went once in 1987 and it was a TV taping. Honestly it was a little dull. The main event was Hulk versus Killer Khan.
@@erictoniaschwab1009 Oh yeah, like I said I am not a wrestling dictionary but I grew up there, I just turned 50 this August so I am not a young man but not Grandpa either. I went for the first time in 1975 and saw Pat Patterson wrestle Moondog Mayne in the main event, Peter Maivia, (the Rocks grandpa) was also on the card but I don't remember him, Alexis Smirnoff was on the card and so was a tag team called The Von Brauners was also on the card. Then Roy Shire was the promoter and it was actually a NWA territory and Harley Race I can remember would come around and I think Terry Funk did to but I didn't go to wrestling that much after that first time just watched it on TV. Roy Shire closed shop in 1981 and that was when the AWA took over and Leo Nomellini was the promoter and I stated going to wrestling on a regular bases at the end of 1981. The memories are to much to go over but it was fun times, saw Hulk Hogan before he went back to WWF and all the main stars of the AWA. It all changed at the end of 1983, (went to a card Dec 26 Hogan was supposed to be there but was a no show. Ray Stevens took his place) and at the beginning of 1984 the WWF took over the TV spot that the AWA had on KOFY TV 20 and they suffered from that moment on. Did see The Road Warriors and got to see Bruiser Brody and Abdulah The Butcher on the same card, (There maybe was 2,000 people there) Abdulah wrestled Black Jack Mulligan and Brody drug Steve Olsinaski around that empty building for about 15 minuets. In 1986 the AWA actually moved over to Oakland and started promoting shows at The Henry J. Kaiser and came back to the Cow Palace in 1987, There is a match Between Curt Henning and Nick Bockwinkle were Larry Zybysko hits Bockwinkle with a pack of quarters, I think it was Super Clash but I didn't go but I remember driving by the cow palace seeing it on the marquee but I was paying for my own tickets and wasn't going to be paying for that because the AWA was just not that good anymore. The WWF was promoting shows in the bay area in 1983 before Hogan was champ but they were doing it down in San Jose which at that time I guess was not really in the AWA"s backyard. There is a Facebook page called THE GOLDEN AGE OF CALIFORNIA WRESTLING that goes into detail about wrestling in CA and you would be surprised were they had cards at, virtually everywhere. One of the moderators is a guy named ROCK RIMS and he can answer any question that you have but there time period goes to the early 1980s and prior so it doesn't include much modern or WWF stuff. Have lots more stuff I could say but I leave it here.
I was born in 1980 and from 1985 on up I grew up watching the Rock N Roll battle the midnight Express. Jim and his signature racket ringside starting trouble. Good childhood memories and I loved it all. Thank You Jim Cornette. I'm not part of the cult, but I may as well be. You're the truth man.
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I find the sounds of him turning pages and talking about the house shows relaxing.
My kinda bedtime story.
@@amsterdamshusi yes! I fall asleep to these to.
Don't forget him clearing his throat hahaha classic corny
I put the omnibus' on when I'm paying bills/making to do lists. Helps me focus
@@jonathandenatale6878 I've listened to both the 87/88 & 89/90 omnibus videos in the background while working and on trips, so many times.
July 12, 1987 in baltimore was my 1st live event. Bash 87 was fantastic. Midnights/freebirds was awsome.
Charlotte stadium was flair/hawk, and dusty/tully-($1000k barbed wire match)
Barbed wire match? Damn, i guess tully and dusty would make that work, i heard its difficult to work with such stipulations
@arthurdaffos1490 that match is available on video actually
The psychology of the kayfabe era was awesome. For months and months we would watch Jim Cornette run his mount on tv and get away with cheating left and right. On tv he would always slip away before taking any real damage from the Rock and Roll Express. When the house shows came to town the RR Express would ram his head into a chair over and over again and the crowd would go nuts. It was awesome payoff !!!
I can listen to these all day.It takes me back to better times.
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
I remember going to see the War Games at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago that summer! I still have all the programs from the NWA house shows
I saw War Games in Huntsville AL in 1988
Chicago is always underrated as a great wrestling city
Your memory is amazing, Mr. Jim, and thank God because I’m addicted to these stories.
He has alot of it notated and literally recorded as well as if he himself knew 35 years later he’d have to compensate for shitty programming by reminiscing in the most vivid detail practically bringing you back to that time..try listening to these WHILE watching/ following each week on WWE network its like a watch along on steroids
Love listening to your podcasts Mr Cornette. Been enjoying you and your talents since I was 4 years old.
This was the time where I had just discovered the NWA and JCP in particular, having grown up on the WWF and Stampede Wrestling. I was blown away by guys like the Road Warriors, who once you saw them after watching Demolition stumble around you know who the originals were, and the Midnights, Beautiful Bobby and Sweet Stan edition, possibly the most 'in-sync' tag team out there, and of course, Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen...THAT was pro wrestling. I love that Corny's going over this time period, it was the greatest one for me.
It definitely was a different style than WWE
I think demolition was far and away better than the road warriors
I discovered NWA until late 1986. World Class before that. Then UWF which was Mid -South. I would collect Pro Wrestling Ilustrated. 1987 was amazing to me, then everything changed.
@@nicholasfarrell8403 🤣🤣🤣
@@nicholasfarrell8403 brain dead comment
I'm listening to Jim with an imaginary map in my head moving my hand like an airplane lol
This Era is what I what I grew up with & will always remember it as the true height of wrestling up until it started changing more up into the mid 1990s. When the NWA morphed fully into WCW, it rolled along with incredible matches for a few years..
Love this podcast as someone who became a fan in 2003 and missed the territories this is great insight
Even the early to mid 90's WCW was rich in talent--especially young talent. I love that the early 90's is where I started following wrasslin!
I was at the Cap Centre show. Finally convinced my father to go & he had a great time. Really strong show, but they should have put Flair in a single match that night.
I was there as well. I was also there the previous year.
I remember those NWA shows after the Indians games in the old Municipal Stadium in Cleveland. My dad always took us to those games. I remember Corny making that crack about the last time the Indians won was when they beat Custer. LOL
That stadium smelled like hot dogs, popcorn, beer and piss. God I miss that place.
@@indiansfever11 I don't think any other stadium had that unique mixture but you had to be there to describe it. I miss that place so much I was crying during the demolition looking at the wrecking ball smash the red gate signs and walls
@@colonelrobertsjr.7882 old comiskey park on Chicago’s south sIDE was very much the same way!
With you on that one bro I saw a card in May 87 there.
@@colonelrobertsjr.7882 felt the same way when they tore down The Boston Garden.
Another Omnibus.
Me To My Wednesday Plans: “Thank You, Fuck You, Bye!”
I absolutely love these business rundowns.
Todd Clayton Jim was meticulous taking notes. Glad he saved everything.
I really like listening to Jim's wrestling stories about the history of wrestling.
I know why corny was pissed about missing july 4th...not only the big holiday...but the biggest night of the bash '87 tour. Pissed because he missed the WARGAMES PAYOUT.
I love how the picture here even has Hoot's lazy eye. It's TREMENDOUS!
Heckel has some serious TALENT that's for sure.
Hoot being dusty? Lol
@@tobiasfarragut292Robert Gibson
Love listening to these old stories. At times wish they had video recordings to see Jim and Last’s expressions.
JCP's late 80s expansion against Vince was like a Mom and Pop cafe challenging McDonalds armed only with a lemonade stand and a couple of lawn chairs. Like Corny says, they didn't have the infrastructure to be doing the shit they were doing. They bit off more than they could chew
It was fun to watch looking back
I’m a Jim Cornette guy! Could listen to him tell old stories all damn day!
Always thought if Crockett stayed in the mid Atlantic & Southeast they'd probably still be in Business. Once they bought mid south and started traveling there and to the west coast it was the beginning of the end IMO.
Incredibly fascinating. When I realized that he is literally going through the stats of the promotiion; I flipped out. The level of detail...and '87 was probably the year I was most engaged to wrestling too. JC is the war-story and stat king.
This is about the time I started watching wcw or what ever you call it. I’m from NY so we got it on TBS.
@@yankees29 same here, I'm a Masshole myself. We got WWF and WCCW on Saturday mornings and Crockett on TBS at 6:05 on Saturday nights
The thumbnail looking like an 80s wrestling version of Avengers: Infinity War lol
It actually goes back to at least early 70s DC heroes vs villains baseball game
you mean civil war though, right?
X men animated series
@@TheMuddFishh Probably what they meant. At the airport. Seeing who gets on Crockett's jet.
@@jeffreythomas5138 my initial thought
I was at that half show in Cleveland.
There was over 30,000 fans at that game/show. Cleveland always drew well for the NWA/Crockett promotions. Huge fanbase in the northern cities.
Jim seems to enjoy telling these stories. It is nice to listen to.
Remember the shot of that guy ripping the Hulkamania shirt up, middle finger in the air, and flashing the Four Horsemen hand sign at a WWF event???...one of the greatest things I've ever seen...ever.
I saw Hogan vs Flair at MSG in 91 and alot of Horsemen fans that night.
Not that Lansing, MI was a huge drawing city, but they absolutely killed the town by doing a TV taping instead of a regular house show.
Jersey Giant Subs Sucks ass!
Thought it was going to be a gold mine turned out to be a landmine. Perfect summation
I saw JCP all the time at the Township Auditorium in Columbia S.C. JCP was hard to top from 1985-1988. I continued to watch after the sale. I really enjoyed Flair/ Steamboat in 1989.
Friday nights at the Richmond coliseum was the greatest!
I will always think that one of the biggest mistakes Jim Crockett made when trying to expand was buying other territories and then still trying to run them. Vince wasn’t buying territories to keep them running. Vince was buying out territories to air his product there. On top of that some of these territories that he was buying were almost dead anyway. They already had a national television show with TBS on Saturdays so if you’re going to do anything whether it’s by the territory and/or just buy their local TV spot instead of trying to have other companies running that are already dying just throw the medic Lantic show on in place of their old TV show. If you’re going to cop events at least copy and do it the right way. He should have never have tried to keep those other territories running that he bought. The only thing he should’ve worried about was taking the talent from those territories he wanted and then just airing his syndicated show in place of their old syndicated show. That’s one of those deals that you can’t really be wishy-washy about. The other thing that was a mistake that Vince didn’t do was that when Vince was expanding he did not abandon his own backyard. The north east was still the main place to see the WWF in the 80s. It’s not like Vince bought out the AWA and the West Coast territories and then just left the Northeast and decided to come back there once every three months. Jim Crockett just a band in the Carolinas almost completely. If you want to expand fine But don’t abandon the fans that got you to the dance in the first place.
This was so awesome. Listened the whole episode through the day. Really wanna know more about Sputnik Monroe and Eddie Graham.
Luis Herrera Check out Ron Fullers Podcasts he went in depth on Eddie Graham and Eddies legendary snake pit sessions
Luis Herrera Check out Otis Gibson’s tribute song to Sputnik it’s on TH-cam
I haven’t been interested in wrestling for over 20 yrs. Over that time, the product has turned into garbage. These podcasts are frigin awesome!!!! I’ll listen to this all day!!!
Inside the mind and world of one of wrestling's alltime all-in characters.
Rant Jimmy rant. just an amazing fact and figure and storytelling machine.
I was lucky enough to see some NWA house shows in Norfolk and Richmond in the late 80's. The arenas were packed with country hicks with remedial intelligence that thought wrestling was real. The crowds were lit up and ready to see a fight. Even those of us that knew it was fake... believed. People would get worked up all week to take a shot at a bad guy as they walked the aisle with no barriers and little security. Their best protection was fear and those biceps that were bigger than most peoples heads. Flair would stand right in the middle of the aisle and practically dare someone to take a shot at him. The magic is long gone.
Fayetteville, born and raised. Our family couldn't afford to see the NWA but is so nice to hear Jim put us over on this! Even being a huge home for the military most people didn't like the WWF. I knew of no fans whom felt the NWA was anything but the top wrestling promotion.
Rockingham here ...we went as often as we could...Charlotte Fayetteville Raleigh Greensboro...my pa or my dad or anyone I could coax...they would do Richmond Sr high ...ppl from NC won't get it....literally every week drive an hour or 2 and watch wrestling as you could afford it...miss those times
Loved JCP, love the stories, and I really love the Heckel art work that looks like the Super Friends vs Legion Of Doom lol if you know you know.
His artwork is just as good as the shows sometimes LOL.
Whos the guy in the purple
@@whidoineedthis rick flair
I love these things because it makes me use my imagination to see all the stuff and it’s so cool , especially the stuff from the early 80’s it was like the Wild West , so awesome
Well, thanks to this video, I found out there was a show in my hometown of a Little Rock, AR about 2 weeks before I was born! How cool is that?
Lol same for me but Lexington KY
How awesome would it be to go see midnight express live. I was too young but now i would see at least 2 a year and would travel.
Thank you Mr CORNETTE for doing these wonderful video's. I love hearing you tell about the old day wrestling stories. Keep up the good work.I live in Star North Carolina.
Shelby NC here...im suprised shelby got mentioned
I was at the Roanoke Civic Center show.
"Learning the Ropes" LOL! Yannick Bisson, who plays Lyle Alzado's teenage son in that show, is on one of the most successful TV show on TV right now, "Murdock Mysteries".
Firebird 7479 that show is successful ?
I LOVED that show!
Fantastic as always Jim!
The i Cloud of professional wrestling. These stories are preserved because he did these podcast.
Ive listened this five times now. Never gets old
I wish Jimmy hadn't glossed over Starcade that year- I saw it live at the Scope in Norfolk & would have LOVED hearing his take on LOD vs Sting & Dusty for the Tag titles and Bam Bam vs Windham for the U.S. strap! Still, 'LOVE the podcast- Thank you, Fuck you, Bye!
Without that RG I never would have thought about Ronnie Garvin.
I love hearing about those years in wrestling. Never be another great time like that again.
flair says bret and bruno cant draw outside new york or canada . yet nwa business was bad in 87 and 88
i was at the richmond va card for the rnr vs midnights in a 2/3 falls match. i remember going :)
And Jesus, Brian’s knowledge is amazing.
I love pro wrestling, thank you for all the stories,I really don't watch wrestling anymore, so listening to your stories really mean a lot to me,
Thank you Jim and Brian, I loved this
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
Yay! Newton, NC!! Where I live. Well I live in Conover but same thing, nice to hear Mr. Cornette comes around here. pretty sure Flair comes here to golf at Rock Barn but I’d rather see Jim Cornette any day over Flair!
This stuff is addictive.
P2: 41:40
P3: 1:37:12
I respect you....... Bookkeeping man!!!!
I’m the 1000th like and damn proud of it! 🤟🏽👾
I’m a teenager and I wish I grew up during these times
Same. 23 years old and wishing I was born in 1977 instead of 1997
@@shakeandjake_1 I was born in 1977, and first started watching wrestling in 1987. Jim Crockett promotions was THE best wrestling on t.v. WWF tv matches were 90% stars versus nobody's. Jim Crockett had better rivals imo
I'm old enough to remember life before internet and cell phones, and other than when you need GPS or your car breaks down. Shit was cooler.
Remember dial up Internet? Ready to search for some wrestling news and then someone picks up the phone haha.
@@chadrobbins6889 Yep.WWF was nothing but squash matches with jobbers.Every once in a while we did get Saturday Night Main Event which was the only time you would see good WWF matches on free TV.
I was jealous because my grand parents had cable,and the only time I got to see the Saturday afternoon Crockett product on TBS,was if I happened to be visiting,or if I was at the local Venture department store.A few times I would stand there in the electronics section and watch the Koloffs or Dusty or who ever.
Just noticed Robert Gibsons eyes in the thumb pic.. damn that's cold 😁👍
I go to sleep every night listening to ol corny, greatest wrestling mind and understands the business like no other....Thank you.
The detail, the passion...damn. What an incredible storyteller.
@38:21 -- Is Corny saying the schedule got "deluded" or "diluted"? I cannot make out which for the life of me! And the context can fit either term
Jim Cornette is a legend and possibly the most important storyteller of wrestling history. We don't deserve him but damned if we aren't lucky to have him.
How about doing 1986 Great American Bash deep dive
Sammy Riggs that would be so awesome. Naitch wrestled, I believe, 15 main events that month?
I was at the DC show, we thought Ric was gonna have the helicopter!
still no one better. that was amazing
Thank you!
I was at the great american bash in johnson city Tn in 87!!!
I was born in 89 so these thing being talked about is new 2 me I love this I'm finding out a lot about wrestling hopefully I can find out more like this can't wait for more story's of nwa wcw
I'd say 85-90ish was the peak of wrestling. The late 90s - early 2000s was the peak of sports entertainment.
Still pains me that Crockett went under and McMahon is still thriving.
Hey...Crockett FUCKED UP. I would NOT have spent as much money as he did without making it or break even. I don't feel bad that Mr. McMahon has acquired JCP. Crockett FUCKED UP
And mcmahon owns all the video library
Thriving and still making an unwatchable product
@@kpllc4209 AEW puts me to sleep. Give me Bill Watts UWF anyday.
@@chadk890 I have never watched AEW.
After 50 minutes, Jim was talking about tv tapings in arenas in front of small crowds. When Crockett bought UWF, they had a tv taping at the Hirsch Coliseum in Shreveport and I was up in the stands and there was about maybe 1500 to 2000 fans there and the dark main event was Sting vs. Black Bart inside a cage. The card only advertised 2 matches and I believe the other dark match was two undercard wrestlers to open the show. It was boring cause this was not Mid-South Wrestling this was UWF with boring Crockett booking. Feature stars were Sting, Dr. Death, Black Bart, Big Bubba, Rick Steiner, Barry Windham, Brad Armstrong & Tim Horner Plus some others. Let’s say that card killed business for UWF and NWA for good in Shreveport and only WWF came to town with B card shows. Cage match lasted 5 minutes. Sting won and he, Rick Steiner and Dr. Death got the biggest reactions.
I was at the Philly show and the Civic Center fit approx 10.000 , it was packed.
Put these on in the background when I need to concentrate on work lol. It's pleasing to my ear but not important enough to distract me
Just for curiosity I looked up reasons Fishersville VA and Harrisonburg VA show canceled. I am from that area. Some snow but bitter cold and high winds. Overnight zero degrees, daylight temperatures low 20degrees. This is 15 to 20 degrees below normal. Very bad winter.
Robert Gibson can watch a tennis match abd not move his head. He can see round corners. He's got one eye going to the shop and the other coming back with the change.
Hearing him talk about one of the shows I went to is just great
I want an OMNIBUS of all the OMNIBUSES
This is so interesting to me. What a life Jim and the boys have lived before social media or anything. I would love to go back in time and try this for a month.
I was in SF for the Bash in 87. Birthday present for me. It was a great night for me.
No wonder Crockett went under... someone needed to buy that dude a map and fire whoever booked the buildings. No geographical sense at all. 🤣🤣😭
I've said for years Crockett should've just stayed in the Southeast / Mid Atlantic area.
Another awesome omnibus, we need a Russo shitstain omnibus next.
Hell I guess I got 956 hrs to listen to that :)
MetalJT24 don’t mention that name, much less do an entire program based around that idiot
@@hansjuker8296 it's not bashing if it's the truth
@@hansjuker8296 Initially was good but did more damage than any good he did Short term good, long term damage!
@@hansjuker8296 I was. He was and still is a bitch.
Sounds like JCP had a 3rd grader in charge of Logistics & Planning with the scattered travel schedule.
Which was better, Flair vs Funk or Flair vs Steamboat in 89?
Funk
Flair-Steamboat by FAR. steamboat DID his part and HELPED Ric Flair make the matches GREAT. Flair ALWAYS had to carry the match BY HIMSELF against Funk. Funk was a LAZY basterd who just did as he was told. FLAIR had to make Funk look good. But Funk didn't do ANYTHING but BRAWL.
Flair-Steamboat always sticks out in my mind.
Growing up in the Carolinas. I'd seen Flair and Steamboat wrestle several times as a kid. I grew up on Flair and Steamboat. For me Funk and Flair was better in 89, no knock on Flair and Steamboat 89.
Cornett is the most interesting podcast about wrestling ever please include more Bobby The Brain stories
2:10:38 Woooooo! Detroit!!
Love hearing this stuff an anything he talks about in wrestling hours of it love it. Thank you Jim.
This art work is epic
Gotta luv the omnibus!